Events in Macedonia "orchestrated from outside"

The problem with the Albanians is that they are doing the dirty work for a declining power while Russia and China are definitely on the rise.

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.

Come on balkan orthodox brothers, let's work together for a better future for our people, Enough of these racists westerner facists.. Democracy = lies/fascism.. Starting wars every where through proxy.. They've unleashed hell on earth in the Middle East and Ukraine.. Yet the Saudis who don't even let women drive are democracies aka usa's best friend.. Yea yeah yeah the good guys.. 2. Million civilians dead in indo China.. For nothing.. Kissinger gets the Nobel peace prize.. Hashim thaci organ harvester? Americas man in the Balkans.. Come on guys lets get our act together.. Do the math.. Evil is what it is..

@ Zoran,

I want to do a comparison to you:
- Your Government, your military have done terrible acts of terror against Bosnians and Albanians (Carefully : acts organized by the Serbian state ), and by logic nobody of us can condemn the Serbian nation like TERRORIST for this acts even though they were organized from the Serbian state.

- Now, 30 - 40 terrorists do acts of terror, furthermore against Albanians interests and IN YOUR BRAIN you think to CONDEMN a whole nation and call all "terrorists".
Could we put the weigher, PLEASE? Let's weigh!

I have seen Americans terrorists who killed childs at schools, i have seen Germans terrorists who slammed planes, Norwegian terrorists who killed people, Irish terrorists, Spanish terrorists, etc, and even Serbs terrorists who killed people, journalist, Prime Ministers.
So???
If your logic works with two different standard.. then... Ok, am i who need a education.

What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

What on earth are you blabbing about dude? You think the orthodox dominated countries on the Balkans will form an alliance or become Moscow's satellites and the US/NATO influence in the balkans will diminish? Is that you point? Well let me tell you that among all Balkan countries, the majority including Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Romania and Turkey are all part of NATO and US allies. Kosovo with the largest military base in the region is on its way too. How do you figure the decline on US/NATO influence in the region?

Macedonian or Serb whatever you are you are completely surrounded by NATO, the greatest political and military alliance the world has ever known.

You asked what will happen to Albanians when their security is gone, (which is not happening but lets consider it for a second)? Why don't you tell us what you are thinking? Please enlighten us Zoran. FYR Macedonia will kill, repress and kick out all Albanians of their country? Serbia will occupy Kosovo again and start another genocide? Is that what you think is going to happen?

You are delusional and a complete joke.

(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)
If you see Russia like a "tutor", i'm sorry i don't see US like our 'tutor".
If you start with some if....., i can tell to you to much think beginning with "if"...
But, i'm sorry to see still people with this logic..
I want to remember to you that Albania was a communist country, ALONE, without the US or EU and although we had to much "clashes" with Russia, she did not had the courage to attack Albania. Not because she fear us, not for sure...
But.., we will also attracted many "others" in war with us..
You know very well how complex are still issues of borders for all the countries in Balkans.
If you begin with Albania borders, then you will see: Hungarian, Bulgarian, Cipros, Bosnians borders etc...etc...etc.. So, then you will see a "HAPPY" destroyed Balkan and a EU war against Russia.
If you try raise sand "castles", sooner or later will be demolished.
But, Albanians and "others" will be still there to wait for their " chance" to "give it back" to you. And it will never end...
So it is better to leave as it is! No??

Lavrov boy is concerned over orchestrating events from the outside. Oh noooo please, is this a joke?

The champion of democracy cannot tolerate such a possibility.

Next time North Korea will organise a seminar on human rights. That is similarly credible.

What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

Serbia will have ceased to exist by then Zoran. Serbia will just be a province of the EU, the Serbs will speak German and the future Zorans will be called Johan. Bright future awaits you :).

The problem with the Albanians is that they are doing the dirty work for a declining power while Russia and China are definitely on the rise.

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 12:22)

So you are saying Albanians are doing the right thing, for now... ONCE those heavenly things you mentioned happen, Albanians will align themselves with the new power - problem solved!
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Joni, you missed my point completely. Russian and Chinese influence is spreading all around the world.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

Well, you'd find very few people who got your point... If Russian influence is spreading all around the world, how comes that very few countries supported Russia over Ukraine?! Not even China supported it... But perhaps in your English "influence" means a different thing - I think that's where the disconenct is and the reason people miss your point :)
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They are making gains while the US is over stretched and losing ground. What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

The most patriotic of Serbs have already given the answer - the Balkans will be a better place!
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What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

I don't get the question! Is there anybody who is threatening to kill the Albanians?!!!

I want to see Russian troops as "Peace Keepers" in Macedonia instead of UN or Nato! Do it the American way and run the pipeline in the mean time keeping the peace. Give the Americans a taste of their own medicine

Joni, you missed my point completely. Russian and Chinese influence is spreading all around the world. They are making gains while the US is over stretched and losing ground. What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?

So it is better to leave as it is! No??
(Joni, 21 May 2015 16:15)
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Is it better to leave as is? You tell me.

Who are the ones continually making claims on other, internationally recognised, sovereign countries? Who is the power behind this destabilisation?

You see, we seem to be in agreement except you can't see the geopolitics behind the scenes. I can tell you now, it is not Serbians or FYROMians making claims on Albania.

First was "Albanian terrorism" and "Albanian irredentism" aiming "Greater Albania". And now, that the "ethnic conflict" resulted a bubble, someone is very upset that the Western countries "are using Albanian factor".
Well, the "Albanian factor" is not the main factor in the protests against Gruevsky. It`s the Macedonian factor. It`s the Turkish factor too. It seems it`s "every Macedonian citizen factor".

There was the Serbian flag in the protest too. Who is using "the Serbian factor"?

You asked what will happen to Albanians when their security is gone, (which is not happening but lets consider it for a second)? Why don't you tell us what you are thinking? Please enlighten us Zoran. FYR Macedonia will kill, repress and kick out all Albanians of their country? Serbia will occupy Kosovo again and start another genocide? Is that what you think is going to happen?

You are delusional and a complete joke.
(UnikKatil, 21 May 2015 18:25)
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What genocide are you talking about? There is more of you there now than ever. It was the Serbs who got expelled and are not allowed to come back.
Same thing in Bosnia too. There are almost no Serbs or Croats left in Sarajevo. At least in Bosnia it looks like excange of territory happened. Some places are predominately Serb and some Muslim now. Not so much in Kosovo. Northern Kosovo has retained Serbs only because they were strong enough to remain there but anywhere else no.
So what genocide then?
It's a well known fact that the US has started many wars by proxy and then they go on on "humanitarian" grounds. FYROM is not different to Kosovo or Bosnia.

What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49) # Comment link

If you really think US is being kicked out of Balkans, than I believe you must have been spending to much time talking to Milosevic on the dead line phone from his grave!

The problem with the Albanians is that they are doing the dirty work for a declining power while Russia and China are definitely on the rise.

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.

@ Zoran,

I want to do a comparison to you:
- Your Government, your military have done terrible acts of terror against Bosnians and Albanians (Carefully : acts organized by the Serbian state ), and by logic nobody of us can condemn the Serbian nation like TERRORIST for this acts even though they were organized from the Serbian state.

- Now, 30 - 40 terrorists do acts of terror, furthermore against Albanians interests and IN YOUR BRAIN you think to CONDEMN a whole nation and call all "terrorists".
Could we put the weigher, PLEASE? Let's weigh!

I have seen Americans terrorists who killed childs at schools, i have seen Germans terrorists who slammed planes, Norwegian terrorists who killed people, Irish terrorists, Spanish terrorists, etc, and even Serbs terrorists who killed people, journalist, Prime Ministers.
So???
If your logic works with two different standard.. then... Ok, am i who need a education.

Joni, you missed my point completely. Russian and Chinese influence is spreading all around the world. They are making gains while the US is over stretched and losing ground. What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?

So it is better to leave as it is! No??
(Joni, 21 May 2015 16:15)
--
Is it better to leave as is? You tell me.

Who are the ones continually making claims on other, internationally recognised, sovereign countries? Who is the power behind this destabilisation?

You see, we seem to be in agreement except you can't see the geopolitics behind the scenes. I can tell you now, it is not Serbians or FYROMians making claims on Albania.

Come on balkan orthodox brothers, let's work together for a better future for our people, Enough of these racists westerner facists.. Democracy = lies/fascism.. Starting wars every where through proxy.. They've unleashed hell on earth in the Middle East and Ukraine.. Yet the Saudis who don't even let women drive are democracies aka usa's best friend.. Yea yeah yeah the good guys.. 2. Million civilians dead in indo China.. For nothing.. Kissinger gets the Nobel peace prize.. Hashim thaci organ harvester? Americas man in the Balkans.. Come on guys lets get our act together.. Do the math.. Evil is what it is..

Lavrov boy is concerned over orchestrating events from the outside. Oh noooo please, is this a joke?

The champion of democracy cannot tolerate such a possibility.

Next time North Korea will organise a seminar on human rights. That is similarly credible.

You asked what will happen to Albanians when their security is gone, (which is not happening but lets consider it for a second)? Why don't you tell us what you are thinking? Please enlighten us Zoran. FYR Macedonia will kill, repress and kick out all Albanians of their country? Serbia will occupy Kosovo again and start another genocide? Is that what you think is going to happen?

You are delusional and a complete joke.
(UnikKatil, 21 May 2015 18:25)
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What genocide are you talking about? There is more of you there now than ever. It was the Serbs who got expelled and are not allowed to come back.
Same thing in Bosnia too. There are almost no Serbs or Croats left in Sarajevo. At least in Bosnia it looks like excange of territory happened. Some places are predominately Serb and some Muslim now. Not so much in Kosovo. Northern Kosovo has retained Serbs only because they were strong enough to remain there but anywhere else no.
So what genocide then?
It's a well known fact that the US has started many wars by proxy and then they go on on "humanitarian" grounds. FYROM is not different to Kosovo or Bosnia.

(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)
If you see Russia like a "tutor", i'm sorry i don't see US like our 'tutor".
If you start with some if....., i can tell to you to much think beginning with "if"...
But, i'm sorry to see still people with this logic..
I want to remember to you that Albania was a communist country, ALONE, without the US or EU and although we had to much "clashes" with Russia, she did not had the courage to attack Albania. Not because she fear us, not for sure...
But.., we will also attracted many "others" in war with us..
You know very well how complex are still issues of borders for all the countries in Balkans.
If you begin with Albania borders, then you will see: Hungarian, Bulgarian, Cipros, Bosnians borders etc...etc...etc.. So, then you will see a "HAPPY" destroyed Balkan and a EU war against Russia.
If you try raise sand "castles", sooner or later will be demolished.
But, Albanians and "others" will be still there to wait for their " chance" to "give it back" to you. And it will never end...
So it is better to leave as it is! No??

What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

What on earth are you blabbing about dude? You think the orthodox dominated countries on the Balkans will form an alliance or become Moscow's satellites and the US/NATO influence in the balkans will diminish? Is that you point? Well let me tell you that among all Balkan countries, the majority including Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Romania and Turkey are all part of NATO and US allies. Kosovo with the largest military base in the region is on its way too. How do you figure the decline on US/NATO influence in the region?

Macedonian or Serb whatever you are you are completely surrounded by NATO, the greatest political and military alliance the world has ever known.

You asked what will happen to Albanians when their security is gone, (which is not happening but lets consider it for a second)? Why don't you tell us what you are thinking? Please enlighten us Zoran. FYR Macedonia will kill, repress and kick out all Albanians of their country? Serbia will occupy Kosovo again and start another genocide? Is that what you think is going to happen?

You are delusional and a complete joke.

First was "Albanian terrorism" and "Albanian irredentism" aiming "Greater Albania". And now, that the "ethnic conflict" resulted a bubble, someone is very upset that the Western countries "are using Albanian factor".
Well, the "Albanian factor" is not the main factor in the protests against Gruevsky. It`s the Macedonian factor. It`s the Turkish factor too. It seems it`s "every Macedonian citizen factor".

There was the Serbian flag in the protest too. Who is using "the Serbian factor"?

I want to see Russian troops as "Peace Keepers" in Macedonia instead of UN or Nato! Do it the American way and run the pipeline in the mean time keeping the peace. Give the Americans a taste of their own medicine

The problem with the Albanians is that they are doing the dirty work for a declining power while Russia and China are definitely on the rise.

Once the US loses influence in the region, the Albanians will face some very angry people that will deal with all problems rather swiftly.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 12:22)

So you are saying Albanians are doing the right thing, for now... ONCE those heavenly things you mentioned happen, Albanians will align themselves with the new power - problem solved!
----------

Joni, you missed my point completely. Russian and Chinese influence is spreading all around the world.
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

Well, you'd find very few people who got your point... If Russian influence is spreading all around the world, how comes that very few countries supported Russia over Ukraine?! Not even China supported it... But perhaps in your English "influence" means a different thing - I think that's where the disconenct is and the reason people miss your point :)
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They are making gains while the US is over stretched and losing ground. What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

The most patriotic of Serbs have already given the answer - the Balkans will be a better place!
----------

What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

I don't get the question! Is there anybody who is threatening to kill the Albanians?!!!

What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49)

Serbia will have ceased to exist by then Zoran. Serbia will just be a province of the EU, the Serbs will speak German and the future Zorans will be called Johan. Bright future awaits you :).

What do you think will happen when the US gets kicked out of the Balkans? What do you think will happen to Albanians once their security is gone?
(Zoran, 21 May 2015 14:49) # Comment link

If you really think US is being kicked out of Balkans, than I believe you must have been spending to much time talking to Milosevic on the dead line phone from his grave!