PM wants media freedoms to be "at western level"

Media freedom at a "western level" is exemplified by the 1999 NATO coordinated bombing of RTS and the murder of the following 16 innocent media workers:

Aleksandar Deletić (30), cameraman
Branislav Jovanović (50), master technician
Darko Stoimenovski (25), visiting technician
Dejan Marković (39), security worker
Dragan Tasić (29), electrician
Dragorad Dragojević (27), security worker
Ivan Stukalo (33), technician
Jelica Munitlak (27), make-up artist
Ksenija Banković (27), vision mixer
Milan Joksimović (47), security worker
Milovan Janković (59), precision machinist
Nebojša Stojanović (26), master technician
Siniša Medić (32), production designer
Slaviša Stevanović (32), technician
Slobodan Jontić (54), director
Tomislav Mitrović (61), program director


I sincerely hope that media freedom in the Balkans never plummets to the dark depths of a western level and that Veran Matic pursue the prosecution of criminals that planned, authorized, targeted, and executed the bombing and mass murder of innocent media personnel.

Media freedom at Western levels? That means putting all newspapers, magazine, TV and Radio stations in the hands of a few western mega-corporations. I can't see how this increase freedom of expression.

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 16:47)Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing..

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Your "story" is not consistent with the the extensive report from Amnesty International:

There was no warning from NATO that a specific attack on RTS headquarters was imminent. NATO officials in Brussels told Amnesty International that they did not give a specific warning as it would have endangered the pilots.

(Source: Amnesty International, Eur 70/018/2000 6 June 2000, NATO/Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, “Collateral Damage” or Unlawful Killings? Violations of the Laws of War by NATO during Operation Allied Force, London June; available on http://www.amnesty.org)

The idea that somehow the western media is a paragon of virtue is the illusion they'd like you to believe but we all know the reality which manifested itself clearly to anyone but the brainwashed during the Bosnian war. Staged atrocities executed live,wild stories of concentration camps,baseless accusations of mass rape and extolling the harmless effects of depleted uranium. Come on this shambolic charade should not be copied by any self-respecting journalist.

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 16:47) Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing, so the fact that both the Serbian govt and station owners did not evacuate these non essential personnel is of no consequence is it? They were sacrificed by you for a political cause.

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Fact: I sacrificed no one.

Your story alleges that "...it was announced".
To substantiate your allegation and story, please provide a copy of the NATO documentation of this announcement. For example: a link to the appropriately dated warning on the NATO website would be useful. Alternatively, can you tell us who from NATO sent this announcement and when? Can this person be contacted? Does the NATO charter include the written procedures for targeting media and unarmed media personnel? What are the precise written procedures for NATO's decision to target media and media personnel? If, as you allege, "it was announced", then all of the NATO documentation should be evident for the curious world to examine.

These simple pieces of information should constitute one small apart of your whole "story". When you do grace us with this information, then perhaps we may consider them as something other than a "story". Until then, I am sorry that you had to create yet another useless moniker and I'll look forward to your upcoming "stories" with your new name.

I would prefer them keeping some level of quality...

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 20:14) my story is consistent with the ICTY ruling that it was a legitimate target
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What "ruling"? The ICTY circus and it's judges ignored this crime and never heard a shred of evidence pertaining to this mass murder. According to the ICTY's own Judge Harhoff, the ICTY's "rulings" are not based on evidence, but are rather guided by external political powers.
The link that you provided has the follwing statement "...the committee recommends that the OTP not commence an investigation related to the bombing of the Serbian TV and Radio Station."
The consistency between your story(ies) and ICTY processes is that both depend on fiction and "rulings" are possible with out any investigation or consideration of evidence.


(... story, 27 March 2015 20:14)the govt did know there was to be an attack and did not evacuate the building.

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Official NATO spokesperson, Shea, on April 9, 1999 said: "...whatever our feelings about Serb television, we are not going to target TV transmitters directly"
So, according to NATO's own mouthpiece, the station and it's transmitter, were not targets. If you and others blame the station owner who was deceived by this lie, then Jamie Shea is even more culpable for issuing the lie and his role in this mass murder.

The alternative to the a free press is to have government control.

Like increasingly in Russia.

Along with the concept of a free press is the freedom to criticise it.

If you don't have a free press you are not free to criticise what it writes.

Like increasingly in Russia.

Those in Serbia who in the past have not wanted a free press are those who want to exploit the population and to maintain themselves in positions of power or privilege.

Like in Russia.

not sure what the impetus for "free" media is coming from. but, on the surface one can't but agree. however, when one tags their media freedom goals to that of the western model it looses its freedom luster.
like in russia, media in america is controlled by a small few. perhaps the GOV doesn't directly control it, but it does in a number of subversive ways. what is more interesting is the group of those few that control the media outlets.
i wonder why ge, a general electronics company, has specific interest in media outlets. or why would time warner, a connectivity provider be a media giant. why is disney in control of media, aren't they a children's movie studio that specializes in made up fairytales.
one could wonder if its best to follow italy's free media model. former president owns the media there. is that a free media, or controlled media?

"Media freedom at Western levels? That means putting all newspapers, magazine, TV and Radio stations in the hands of a few western mega-corporations. I can't see how this increase freedom of expression."
(Michael Thomas, 27 March 2015 14:24)

It increases it compared to, for example, Russia, where a lot of (propaganda) media is either in the hands of state or in the hands of companies managed by Putin's comrades. Ever asked yourself why a Gas and oil company needs to have own TV channels? But as some other poster noticed, freedom of media and quality of media does not have to correlate.

But what do I tell, in Serbia there are state media, media controlled by dubious companies like Pink TV and the yellow press counterparts, and independent media with an at least decent quality, like B92 - unfortunately, working for those, the employees have a hard and dangerous life.

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 March 2015 14:26)
Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing, so the fact that both the Serbian govt and station owners did not evacuate these non essential personnel is of no consequence is it? They were sacrificed by you for a political cause.

Am Yugo,
But my story is consistent with the ICTY ruling that it was a legitimate target and that the govt did know there was to be an attack and did not evacuate the building.
http://www.icty.org/sid/10052#IVB4

Also the fact that your own court system convicted the owner of the station for not evacuating those individuals.
In the English language "you" can mean an individual or as a collective term for a group. I used you to mean not only you, yourself and all those who support the regime in power and the atrocities they committed.

Maybe if the Serbs are good boys and girls-than one day they can have quality/western media outlets such as Fox News.........just maybe. Just imagine the fun the Serbs can have with a Fox News like institution of thier own.........finally we would have the respect of the beloved western world.........FOX NEWS-the most trusted name in news in the USA.......lets hope.

“… to take the level of media freedoms "to the level that is relevant in all Western European countries."

It was the best anecdote I heard in March. Because western mass media is a war tool to tell the truth about second rate news in order to mislead you over vital issues. What if Yanukovic would ask Russia, Byelorussia, Armenia and Kazakhstan to bomb Kiev and thus help him regain his power ? Can anyone imagine how the western mass media would behave ? But it is exactly what is happening in Yemen now and they all support the developments. Because it’s “their son-of-a-bitch with no questions asked”. Is this “level of media freedoms” that Dacic is dreaming of ?

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 28 March 2015 09:47)
The ICTY is corrupt, NATO is corrupt, western powers are corrupt, anything not pro Serb is corrupt, right?
We could go back and forth with this argument for months, you are committed to all Serbs were innocent and apparently are committed to prove that to yourself. I say yourself as I doubt you have changed anyones opinion.
It was a state controlled station, as far as the owner that was your countries doing and cannot be blamed on anyone else.
If you notice in your listing of victims none of them included the newscasters or executives of the station. Does that not ring a bell?
Serbia has shown it is not above sacrificing a few citizens to aid the propaganda cause, such as the café bombing of Serb customers, for years blamed on Albanians.
while I did use the wrong wording of ruling instead of recommendations my link stands for itself.
I leave you with this: "the strategic target of these attacks was the Yugoslav command and control network. The attack on the RTS building must therefore be seen as forming part of an integrated attack against numerous objects, including transmission towers and control buildings of the Yugoslav radio relay network which were "essential to Milosevic’s ability to direct and control the repressive activities of his army and special police forces in Kosovo" (NATO press release, 1 May 1999"

As a self appointed arm chair legal analyst, you have to be openminded to fulfill that dream.

(...story, 29 March 2015 01:51) The ICTY is corrupt, NATO is corrupt, western powers are corrupt, anything not pro Serb is corrupt, right?

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According to the ICTY's own judge, not me, the ICTY is corrupt. I don't have to prove anything. The ICTY judges and writings are ample proof.

NATO is corrupt in the mass murder of 16 innocent media workers and the bombing of RTS. Your link contains no evidence that NATO "announced" the targeting of unarmed civilians, as you first alleged. FACT: NATO spokesperson on April 9th, 1999 deceived the innocent victims and stated the RTS transmitter was NOT a target. You and your ICTY "report" selectively choose to ignore this fact. Is this an open-mind? I asked you for simple NATO documentation to prove your "it was announced" allegation. You supplied no proof, redirected your argument to a "report" that, by it's own admission, involved NO investigation or gathering of evidence and IGNORED NATO's own deceptions and statement by Shea that RTS was NOT a target.

I reject your assertions that "anything not pro Serb is corrupt, and "all Serbs were innocent". I never make generalizations and paint broad strokes about ethnic groups. That's your writing, not mine. I challenge you to examine any of my past posts for evidence to the contrary.

Tell...story alleges "I doubt you have changed anyones opinion." Tell...story's doubts reflect his/her mind. I recognize that individual minds are different and some may be more open.

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 March 2015 14:26)
Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing, so the fact that both the Serbian govt and station owners did not evacuate these non essential personnel is of no consequence is it? They were sacrificed by you for a political cause.

The alternative to the a free press is to have government control.

Like increasingly in Russia.

Along with the concept of a free press is the freedom to criticise it.

If you don't have a free press you are not free to criticise what it writes.

Like increasingly in Russia.

Those in Serbia who in the past have not wanted a free press are those who want to exploit the population and to maintain themselves in positions of power or privilege.

Like in Russia.

"Media freedom at Western levels? That means putting all newspapers, magazine, TV and Radio stations in the hands of a few western mega-corporations. I can't see how this increase freedom of expression."
(Michael Thomas, 27 March 2015 14:24)

It increases it compared to, for example, Russia, where a lot of (propaganda) media is either in the hands of state or in the hands of companies managed by Putin's comrades. Ever asked yourself why a Gas and oil company needs to have own TV channels? But as some other poster noticed, freedom of media and quality of media does not have to correlate.

But what do I tell, in Serbia there are state media, media controlled by dubious companies like Pink TV and the yellow press counterparts, and independent media with an at least decent quality, like B92 - unfortunately, working for those, the employees have a hard and dangerous life.

Media freedom at a "western level" is exemplified by the 1999 NATO coordinated bombing of RTS and the murder of the following 16 innocent media workers:

Aleksandar Deletić (30), cameraman
Branislav Jovanović (50), master technician
Darko Stoimenovski (25), visiting technician
Dejan Marković (39), security worker
Dragan Tasić (29), electrician
Dragorad Dragojević (27), security worker
Ivan Stukalo (33), technician
Jelica Munitlak (27), make-up artist
Ksenija Banković (27), vision mixer
Milan Joksimović (47), security worker
Milovan Janković (59), precision machinist
Nebojša Stojanović (26), master technician
Siniša Medić (32), production designer
Slaviša Stevanović (32), technician
Slobodan Jontić (54), director
Tomislav Mitrović (61), program director


I sincerely hope that media freedom in the Balkans never plummets to the dark depths of a western level and that Veran Matic pursue the prosecution of criminals that planned, authorized, targeted, and executed the bombing and mass murder of innocent media personnel.

Media freedom at Western levels? That means putting all newspapers, magazine, TV and Radio stations in the hands of a few western mega-corporations. I can't see how this increase freedom of expression.

Am Yugo,
But my story is consistent with the ICTY ruling that it was a legitimate target and that the govt did know there was to be an attack and did not evacuate the building.
http://www.icty.org/sid/10052#IVB4

Also the fact that your own court system convicted the owner of the station for not evacuating those individuals.
In the English language "you" can mean an individual or as a collective term for a group. I used you to mean not only you, yourself and all those who support the regime in power and the atrocities they committed.

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 16:47) Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing, so the fact that both the Serbian govt and station owners did not evacuate these non essential personnel is of no consequence is it? They were sacrificed by you for a political cause.

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Fact: I sacrificed no one.

Your story alleges that "...it was announced".
To substantiate your allegation and story, please provide a copy of the NATO documentation of this announcement. For example: a link to the appropriately dated warning on the NATO website would be useful. Alternatively, can you tell us who from NATO sent this announcement and when? Can this person be contacted? Does the NATO charter include the written procedures for targeting media and unarmed media personnel? What are the precise written procedures for NATO's decision to target media and media personnel? If, as you allege, "it was announced", then all of the NATO documentation should be evident for the curious world to examine.

These simple pieces of information should constitute one small apart of your whole "story". When you do grace us with this information, then perhaps we may consider them as something other than a "story". Until then, I am sorry that you had to create yet another useless moniker and I'll look forward to your upcoming "stories" with your new name.

The idea that somehow the western media is a paragon of virtue is the illusion they'd like you to believe but we all know the reality which manifested itself clearly to anyone but the brainwashed during the Bosnian war. Staged atrocities executed live,wild stories of concentration camps,baseless accusations of mass rape and extolling the harmless effects of depleted uranium. Come on this shambolic charade should not be copied by any self-respecting journalist.

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 28 March 2015 09:47)
The ICTY is corrupt, NATO is corrupt, western powers are corrupt, anything not pro Serb is corrupt, right?
We could go back and forth with this argument for months, you are committed to all Serbs were innocent and apparently are committed to prove that to yourself. I say yourself as I doubt you have changed anyones opinion.
It was a state controlled station, as far as the owner that was your countries doing and cannot be blamed on anyone else.
If you notice in your listing of victims none of them included the newscasters or executives of the station. Does that not ring a bell?
Serbia has shown it is not above sacrificing a few citizens to aid the propaganda cause, such as the café bombing of Serb customers, for years blamed on Albanians.
while I did use the wrong wording of ruling instead of recommendations my link stands for itself.
I leave you with this: "the strategic target of these attacks was the Yugoslav command and control network. The attack on the RTS building must therefore be seen as forming part of an integrated attack against numerous objects, including transmission towers and control buildings of the Yugoslav radio relay network which were "essential to Milosevic’s ability to direct and control the repressive activities of his army and special police forces in Kosovo" (NATO press release, 1 May 1999"

As a self appointed arm chair legal analyst, you have to be openminded to fulfill that dream.

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 16:47)Of course lets forget about the fact that it was an announced target with timing..

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Your "story" is not consistent with the the extensive report from Amnesty International:

There was no warning from NATO that a specific attack on RTS headquarters was imminent. NATO officials in Brussels told Amnesty International that they did not give a specific warning as it would have endangered the pilots.

(Source: Amnesty International, Eur 70/018/2000 6 June 2000, NATO/Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, “Collateral Damage” or Unlawful Killings? Violations of the Laws of War by NATO during Operation Allied Force, London June; available on http://www.amnesty.org)

(...story, 29 March 2015 01:51) The ICTY is corrupt, NATO is corrupt, western powers are corrupt, anything not pro Serb is corrupt, right?

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According to the ICTY's own judge, not me, the ICTY is corrupt. I don't have to prove anything. The ICTY judges and writings are ample proof.

NATO is corrupt in the mass murder of 16 innocent media workers and the bombing of RTS. Your link contains no evidence that NATO "announced" the targeting of unarmed civilians, as you first alleged. FACT: NATO spokesperson on April 9th, 1999 deceived the innocent victims and stated the RTS transmitter was NOT a target. You and your ICTY "report" selectively choose to ignore this fact. Is this an open-mind? I asked you for simple NATO documentation to prove your "it was announced" allegation. You supplied no proof, redirected your argument to a "report" that, by it's own admission, involved NO investigation or gathering of evidence and IGNORED NATO's own deceptions and statement by Shea that RTS was NOT a target.

I reject your assertions that "anything not pro Serb is corrupt, and "all Serbs were innocent". I never make generalizations and paint broad strokes about ethnic groups. That's your writing, not mine. I challenge you to examine any of my past posts for evidence to the contrary.

Tell...story alleges "I doubt you have changed anyones opinion." Tell...story's doubts reflect his/her mind. I recognize that individual minds are different and some may be more open.

not sure what the impetus for "free" media is coming from. but, on the surface one can't but agree. however, when one tags their media freedom goals to that of the western model it looses its freedom luster.
like in russia, media in america is controlled by a small few. perhaps the GOV doesn't directly control it, but it does in a number of subversive ways. what is more interesting is the group of those few that control the media outlets.
i wonder why ge, a general electronics company, has specific interest in media outlets. or why would time warner, a connectivity provider be a media giant. why is disney in control of media, aren't they a children's movie studio that specializes in made up fairytales.
one could wonder if its best to follow italy's free media model. former president owns the media there. is that a free media, or controlled media?

(At least tell the whole story, 27 March 2015 20:14) my story is consistent with the ICTY ruling that it was a legitimate target
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What "ruling"? The ICTY circus and it's judges ignored this crime and never heard a shred of evidence pertaining to this mass murder. According to the ICTY's own Judge Harhoff, the ICTY's "rulings" are not based on evidence, but are rather guided by external political powers.
The link that you provided has the follwing statement "...the committee recommends that the OTP not commence an investigation related to the bombing of the Serbian TV and Radio Station."
The consistency between your story(ies) and ICTY processes is that both depend on fiction and "rulings" are possible with out any investigation or consideration of evidence.


(... story, 27 March 2015 20:14)the govt did know there was to be an attack and did not evacuate the building.

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Official NATO spokesperson, Shea, on April 9, 1999 said: "...whatever our feelings about Serb television, we are not going to target TV transmitters directly"
So, according to NATO's own mouthpiece, the station and it's transmitter, were not targets. If you and others blame the station owner who was deceived by this lie, then Jamie Shea is even more culpable for issuing the lie and his role in this mass murder.

Maybe if the Serbs are good boys and girls-than one day they can have quality/western media outlets such as Fox News.........just maybe. Just imagine the fun the Serbs can have with a Fox News like institution of thier own.........finally we would have the respect of the beloved western world.........FOX NEWS-the most trusted name in news in the USA.......lets hope.

I would prefer them keeping some level of quality...

“… to take the level of media freedoms "to the level that is relevant in all Western European countries."

It was the best anecdote I heard in March. Because western mass media is a war tool to tell the truth about second rate news in order to mislead you over vital issues. What if Yanukovic would ask Russia, Byelorussia, Armenia and Kazakhstan to bomb Kiev and thus help him regain his power ? Can anyone imagine how the western mass media would behave ? But it is exactly what is happening in Yemen now and they all support the developments. Because it’s “their son-of-a-bitch with no questions asked”. Is this “level of media freedoms” that Dacic is dreaming of ?