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Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Minister without portfolio for EU Integrations Jadranka Joksimovic said on Friday that Serbia "respects the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine."

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icj1

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 10 March 2015 10:19)

Well, if you really insist on the 2015 Darwin Award for the contradictory statements that our dear friend Ari Gold made, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold will accept the Award so that the CE of B92 forums sj does not have to waste his/her precious time anymore with Ari Gold's comments.

As a refresher, the contradictory award-winning statements are:

"don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia"

"Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do"

Credit: Award-winning author Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55
The award will be delivered by the CE of B92 forums sj

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)

As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 9 March 2015 10:04)

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Loda

pre 9 godina

ICJ1

It is Ari, dont take it to your heart. As always, he never makes sense to any other human beings besides himself and the blind nationalists.

Joni

pre 9 godina

the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

It is not the same think with Kosovo....
Kosovo was part of ex. Jugoslavia like Kroatia, Bosnia, M.Negro, etc, never was part of Serbia ( if you WANT... to refer to the true history ),
It isn't annexeted from nobody, it is an indipendet country...

truthiness

pre 9 godina

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?
(Questioner, 9 March 2015 09:51)

Actually Questioner the west actually did keep with the tradition of democracy and self determination.

Since any governement in the world MUST be legitimised by the local population it seeks to govern and impose its rules and laws.

When a governemnt ties to impose its rule by force, and foresake the welfare of the people (see Massacres, genocide, wars againt the local populations etc) , and when the people no longer recognise as legitimate said force, then the norms of internaitonal law dont apply to the governement, they actully now apply to the people. The right for Kosovo has been epheld by internaitonal court cases (bruought by Serbia itself) and by a Majority of the UN.

Unlike Kosovo, Ukraine had a treaty guranteed by Russia, broken by Russia, where violence has been emploeyed by Russia and fueled by Russia and guided by Russia.

Russia has , at every instance broken all norms of international law.

So yes the two instances are VERY differant.

sj

pre 9 godina

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)
As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

Questioner

pre 9 godina

"True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen) But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"
(truthiness, 7 March 2015 12:17)

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?

truthiness

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity" (B92)

True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen)

But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

icj1

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

Well, it looks like keeping Russia happy is more important for Serbia than keeping Kosovo lol

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

..tell that to Putin....
(Bob, 6 March 2015 17:13)

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

..tell that to Putin....
(Bob, 6 March 2015 17:13)

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)

truthiness

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity" (B92)

True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen)

But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

icj1

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

Well, it looks like keeping Russia happy is more important for Serbia than keeping Kosovo lol

Joni

pre 9 godina

the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

It is not the same think with Kosovo....
Kosovo was part of ex. Jugoslavia like Kroatia, Bosnia, M.Negro, etc, never was part of Serbia ( if you WANT... to refer to the true history ),
It isn't annexeted from nobody, it is an indipendet country...

truthiness

pre 9 godina

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?
(Questioner, 9 March 2015 09:51)

Actually Questioner the west actually did keep with the tradition of democracy and self determination.

Since any governement in the world MUST be legitimised by the local population it seeks to govern and impose its rules and laws.

When a governemnt ties to impose its rule by force, and foresake the welfare of the people (see Massacres, genocide, wars againt the local populations etc) , and when the people no longer recognise as legitimate said force, then the norms of internaitonal law dont apply to the governement, they actully now apply to the people. The right for Kosovo has been epheld by internaitonal court cases (bruought by Serbia itself) and by a Majority of the UN.

Unlike Kosovo, Ukraine had a treaty guranteed by Russia, broken by Russia, where violence has been emploeyed by Russia and fueled by Russia and guided by Russia.

Russia has , at every instance broken all norms of international law.

So yes the two instances are VERY differant.

Questioner

pre 9 godina

"True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen) But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"
(truthiness, 7 March 2015 12:17)

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?

sj

pre 9 godina

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)
As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

Loda

pre 9 godina

ICJ1

It is Ari, dont take it to your heart. As always, he never makes sense to any other human beings besides himself and the blind nationalists.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)

As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 9 March 2015 10:04)

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 10 March 2015 10:19)

Well, if you really insist on the 2015 Darwin Award for the contradictory statements that our dear friend Ari Gold made, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold will accept the Award so that the CE of B92 forums sj does not have to waste his/her precious time anymore with Ari Gold's comments.

As a refresher, the contradictory award-winning statements are:

"don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia"

"Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do"

Credit: Award-winning author Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55
The award will be delivered by the CE of B92 forums sj

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

..tell that to Putin....
(Bob, 6 March 2015 17:13)

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)

icj1

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

Those words would be much more credible if Serbian ministers would tell Putin or other Russian officials on every occasion that the state of Serbia considers the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

Well, it looks like keeping Russia happy is more important for Serbia than keeping Kosovo lol

truthiness

pre 9 godina

Belgrade "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity" (B92)

True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen)

But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"

truthiness

pre 9 godina

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?
(Questioner, 9 March 2015 09:51)

Actually Questioner the west actually did keep with the tradition of democracy and self determination.

Since any governement in the world MUST be legitimised by the local population it seeks to govern and impose its rules and laws.

When a governemnt ties to impose its rule by force, and foresake the welfare of the people (see Massacres, genocide, wars againt the local populations etc) , and when the people no longer recognise as legitimate said force, then the norms of internaitonal law dont apply to the governement, they actully now apply to the people. The right for Kosovo has been epheld by internaitonal court cases (bruought by Serbia itself) and by a Majority of the UN.

Unlike Kosovo, Ukraine had a treaty guranteed by Russia, broken by Russia, where violence has been emploeyed by Russia and fueled by Russia and guided by Russia.

Russia has , at every instance broken all norms of international law.

So yes the two instances are VERY differant.

Joni

pre 9 godina

the annexation of Crimea by Russia as an illegal act violating basic international principles (just like it was with the Kosovo case)
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 March 2015 19:10)

It is not the same think with Kosovo....
Kosovo was part of ex. Jugoslavia like Kroatia, Bosnia, M.Negro, etc, never was part of Serbia ( if you WANT... to refer to the true history ),
It isn't annexeted from nobody, it is an indipendet country...

Loda

pre 9 godina

ICJ1

It is Ari, dont take it to your heart. As always, he never makes sense to any other human beings besides himself and the blind nationalists.

Questioner

pre 9 godina

"True story. They respect ALL of Ukraines teritory (except the parts Russia has stolen) But apart from that ,yes they "respects Ukraine's territorial integrity"
(truthiness, 7 March 2015 12:17)

You mean like the west strongly supports the principle of territorial integrity - except for the case of the unilaterally self proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, which was recognized in spite of all principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of UN member states?

sj

pre 9 godina

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)
As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

sj

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thing is, Putin doesn't care. He's never pressured Serbia in any way. Don't put sanctions on Russia and don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia, which are like no brainers to any sane person. It's the EU that is obsessively trying to rule Serbia with an iron fist. Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do. Serbia has a healthy relationship with Russia, whereas the EU subjugates Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55)

Hey mate, which statement of yours should we take as correct? "don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia" or "Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do" because they contradict each other :)
(icj1, 7 March 2015 02:03)

As the CTC is now on the list to win the 2015 Darwin Award and is capable of giving us a deep analysis on every issue and give an astounding result perhaps a senior role in NATO would be in order since there is a clear deficiency in Albanian logic that only the CTC understands.
Once again the CTC shows his superior intellect.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 9 March 2015 10:04)

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 9 godina

Thank you, I'm really honored that the CE of B92 forums sj is commenting on my post. However I think it would be unfair for me to accept the Award since I just quoted our dear friend Ari Gold. But, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold would appreciate what you said above about his/her post.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 March 2015 04:04)

Yes its true the CTC is on the short list for the 2015 Darwin Award. Sadly, the CTC makes comment then denies but that’s the nature of idiots LOL.
P.S. CTC=Chif Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 10 March 2015 10:19)

Well, if you really insist on the 2015 Darwin Award for the contradictory statements that our dear friend Ari Gold made, I'm sure our dear friend Ari Gold will accept the Award so that the CE of B92 forums sj does not have to waste his/her precious time anymore with Ari Gold's comments.

As a refresher, the contradictory award-winning statements are:

"don't join NATO is the only thing Russia has ever asked from Serbia"

"Russia has been fair, it's never told Serbia what to do"

Credit: Award-winning author Ari Gold, 6 March 2015 20:55
The award will be delivered by the CE of B92 forums sj

P.S. CE = Chief Economist