Protests held in wake of murder of Russian politician
Dozens of demonstrators protested in New York near the Permanent Mission of Russia to the UN over the murder of Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov.
"Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:17) "
So is there no evidence or is there evidence of a false flag operation? You have an internal disconnect in your logic.
(Loda, 2 March 2015 19:46)
It’s sad. But when people like you don’t know what to say then it’s back to calling them dirty commies. I suggest you read up on the history of that paragon of democracy, the US, and its humanitarian experiments on their own black people during the 1940 and 1950s.
"Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. "
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:35)
Good comparison. I read that more than 50% of Russians today think that Stalin did a good job. The great German Fuhrer had a support of a huge majority, too. What does it say? Nothing. Of course the opposition in Russia is marginalized, like in any autocratic system with state propaganda and without independent media. Talking about Media: Anna Politkowskaja was not a threat, neither, and still she was murdered. Probably by the evil west, too? Litwinenko, anyone? CIA of course, right?
P.S: Some nice link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
(Comm. Parrisson,
Your insinuation of a "whitewash" inquiry into Nemtsov's murder and your accusations about Putin are just nonsense.Putin simply does not have to worry about his 'opposition' as they are somewhere between 'unpopular 'and 'despised' by the Russian people.Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. The isolated and unpopular Nemtsov was no threat for anyone in the Russian government.The last time his party stood for parliament, which was quite a while ago, it won less than 4% of the vote. And when he contested the mayorship of Sochi in 2009 he managed only 14%.Nevertheless he must have been a useful idiot for foreign secret services to slaughter him for their own purpose.
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
(Really?, 2 March 2015 14:16)
Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
"What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced"
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one,
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2015 12:56)
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced. This is the same method of operation used as in the Sarajevo market bombing where the Serbs were blamed which triggered the toughest sanctions in history against the then Yugoslavia.
What possible benefit would Putin have in killing a man whose popularity was a low as whales’ droppings? Putin has 85% of the populace in his pocket so what danger could Nemtsov posed?
Then look at where Nemtsov was killed, in front of the Kremlin. Putin may have his faults, but stupidity is not one of them. The west yes, but not Putin. You may recall how the US denied it killed Gaddafi and down the track it all came out that it was the CIA. Then how the US denied torturing prisoners. Just look at how the US deals with peaceful demonstrators who protested over blacks being killed by police.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
The investigation has not finished, but the theory that MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one, compared to the various Russian claims which even contradict themselves (shot down by Ukrainian military planes, shot down by a Ukrainian BUK system, and whatever else Putin's media outlets brought up).
P.S: The separatists even cheered on the social media about a plane being shot down. When it came out that it was a civil airplane, all these postings miraculously disappeared.
“Protesters, mostly of Russian or Ukrainian origin …. they joined a protest against the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin … will make problems for their relatives in Russia,"
Who can say now why the sanctions were first implemented ? Because of the MH-17 … Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! Sanctions were introduced 5 days after the plane came down ant it took 2-4 months to start the investigation while the guilty was found immediately. Same scenario we have here. Another thing is that the protesters were not inside Russia but in America. What passports do they have in their pockets? Right, the Ukrainian and the American ones. What about democracy in Ukraine and what about 55 000 of the murdered there? We have almost zero opposition not because we shoot them but because they have totally discredited themselves during Yeltsin. Also in Moscow there were no slogans at all because it was a mourning march. They say of some 20 000-30 000 to take part while if he were alive it could merely be 2 000. Besides like most of the opposition Nemtsov was a Jew and if he were a Vikrest (Orthodox Christian) Jew then on Sunday they will have a mourning day (поминки) that may be a pretext for another march by the Kremlin walls. So it doesn’t look like an unplanned murder. CNN will have the best picture they can had ever dreamed of.
.
The Investigating Committee is now considering several possible scenarios, some of which related to the events in Ukraine, the attack on the Charlie Hebdo paper in Paris, and Nemtsov's business activities.
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
The Investigating Committee is now considering several possible scenarios, some of which related to the events in Ukraine, the attack on the Charlie Hebdo paper in Paris, and Nemtsov's business activities.
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
“Protesters, mostly of Russian or Ukrainian origin …. they joined a protest against the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin … will make problems for their relatives in Russia,"
Who can say now why the sanctions were first implemented ? Because of the MH-17 … Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! Sanctions were introduced 5 days after the plane came down ant it took 2-4 months to start the investigation while the guilty was found immediately. Same scenario we have here. Another thing is that the protesters were not inside Russia but in America. What passports do they have in their pockets? Right, the Ukrainian and the American ones. What about democracy in Ukraine and what about 55 000 of the murdered there? We have almost zero opposition not because we shoot them but because they have totally discredited themselves during Yeltsin. Also in Moscow there were no slogans at all because it was a mourning march. They say of some 20 000-30 000 to take part while if he were alive it could merely be 2 000. Besides like most of the opposition Nemtsov was a Jew and if he were a Vikrest (Orthodox Christian) Jew then on Sunday they will have a mourning day (поминки) that may be a pretext for another march by the Kremlin walls. So it doesn’t look like an unplanned murder. CNN will have the best picture they can had ever dreamed of.
.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
The investigation has not finished, but the theory that MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one, compared to the various Russian claims which even contradict themselves (shot down by Ukrainian military planes, shot down by a Ukrainian BUK system, and whatever else Putin's media outlets brought up).
P.S: The separatists even cheered on the social media about a plane being shot down. When it came out that it was a civil airplane, all these postings miraculously disappeared.
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced. This is the same method of operation used as in the Sarajevo market bombing where the Serbs were blamed which triggered the toughest sanctions in history against the then Yugoslavia.
What possible benefit would Putin have in killing a man whose popularity was a low as whales’ droppings? Putin has 85% of the populace in his pocket so what danger could Nemtsov posed?
Then look at where Nemtsov was killed, in front of the Kremlin. Putin may have his faults, but stupidity is not one of them. The west yes, but not Putin. You may recall how the US denied it killed Gaddafi and down the track it all came out that it was the CIA. Then how the US denied torturing prisoners. Just look at how the US deals with peaceful demonstrators who protested over blacks being killed by police.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one,
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2015 12:56)
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
(Really?, 2 March 2015 14:16)
Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
(Comm. Parrisson,
Your insinuation of a "whitewash" inquiry into Nemtsov's murder and your accusations about Putin are just nonsense.Putin simply does not have to worry about his 'opposition' as they are somewhere between 'unpopular 'and 'despised' by the Russian people.Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. The isolated and unpopular Nemtsov was no threat for anyone in the Russian government.The last time his party stood for parliament, which was quite a while ago, it won less than 4% of the vote. And when he contested the mayorship of Sochi in 2009 he managed only 14%.Nevertheless he must have been a useful idiot for foreign secret services to slaughter him for their own purpose.
"What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced"
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
"Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. "
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:35)
Good comparison. I read that more than 50% of Russians today think that Stalin did a good job. The great German Fuhrer had a support of a huge majority, too. What does it say? Nothing. Of course the opposition in Russia is marginalized, like in any autocratic system with state propaganda and without independent media. Talking about Media: Anna Politkowskaja was not a threat, neither, and still she was murdered. Probably by the evil west, too? Litwinenko, anyone? CIA of course, right?
P.S: Some nice link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
(Loda, 2 March 2015 19:46)
It’s sad. But when people like you don’t know what to say then it’s back to calling them dirty commies. I suggest you read up on the history of that paragon of democracy, the US, and its humanitarian experiments on their own black people during the 1940 and 1950s.
"Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:17) "
So is there no evidence or is there evidence of a false flag operation? You have an internal disconnect in your logic.
“Protesters, mostly of Russian or Ukrainian origin …. they joined a protest against the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin … will make problems for their relatives in Russia,"
Who can say now why the sanctions were first implemented ? Because of the MH-17 … Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! Sanctions were introduced 5 days after the plane came down ant it took 2-4 months to start the investigation while the guilty was found immediately. Same scenario we have here. Another thing is that the protesters were not inside Russia but in America. What passports do they have in their pockets? Right, the Ukrainian and the American ones. What about democracy in Ukraine and what about 55 000 of the murdered there? We have almost zero opposition not because we shoot them but because they have totally discredited themselves during Yeltsin. Also in Moscow there were no slogans at all because it was a mourning march. They say of some 20 000-30 000 to take part while if he were alive it could merely be 2 000. Besides like most of the opposition Nemtsov was a Jew and if he were a Vikrest (Orthodox Christian) Jew then on Sunday they will have a mourning day (поминки) that may be a pretext for another march by the Kremlin walls. So it doesn’t look like an unplanned murder. CNN will have the best picture they can had ever dreamed of.
.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
The investigation has not finished, but the theory that MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one, compared to the various Russian claims which even contradict themselves (shot down by Ukrainian military planes, shot down by a Ukrainian BUK system, and whatever else Putin's media outlets brought up).
P.S: The separatists even cheered on the social media about a plane being shot down. When it came out that it was a civil airplane, all these postings miraculously disappeared.
"Who is the idiot to still believe that Russia or Novorossia hit the plane down? Nobody does but who cares it! "
(rote, 2 March 2015 11:39)
MH-17 was hit by a missile fired from a Russian BUK system which was transported to the territory of Ukraine and which returned to Russia with a missile missing is the most likely one,
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2015 12:56)
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
Most of the world actually....
(Rotey Totey, 2 March 2015 12:09)
What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced. This is the same method of operation used as in the Sarajevo market bombing where the Serbs were blamed which triggered the toughest sanctions in history against the then Yugoslavia.
What possible benefit would Putin have in killing a man whose popularity was a low as whales’ droppings? Putin has 85% of the populace in his pocket so what danger could Nemtsov posed?
Then look at where Nemtsov was killed, in front of the Kremlin. Putin may have his faults, but stupidity is not one of them. The west yes, but not Putin. You may recall how the US denied it killed Gaddafi and down the track it all came out that it was the CIA. Then how the US denied torturing prisoners. Just look at how the US deals with peaceful demonstrators who protested over blacks being killed by police.
"What world is that? It was not in Russia’s or the separatists’ interests to shoot down the Malaysian plane. Within days of that event sanctions were introduced"
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
The Investigating Committee is now considering several possible scenarios, some of which related to the events in Ukraine, the attack on the Charlie Hebdo paper in Paris, and Nemtsov's business activities.
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
No one ever claimed they deliberately targeted a commercial airliner. The claim is that they shot it down thinking it was a Ukranian cargo aircraft. The rebels had been shooting down planes, and bragging about it, for some time.
(Really?, 2 March 2015 14:16)
Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
"Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. "
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:35)
Good comparison. I read that more than 50% of Russians today think that Stalin did a good job. The great German Fuhrer had a support of a huge majority, too. What does it say? Nothing. Of course the opposition in Russia is marginalized, like in any autocratic system with state propaganda and without independent media. Talking about Media: Anna Politkowskaja was not a threat, neither, and still she was murdered. Probably by the evil west, too? Litwinenko, anyone? CIA of course, right?
P.S: Some nice link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
Yes, sure, and of course a scenario where some amok running KGB agent or, more likely, one of the 100.000s of 'patriotic' right wing Nazi-Russians killed him, inspired by Putin's propaganda media outlets which classified him as an 'enemy of state' just some week ago because he dared to say that Russia is an attacker in Ukraine conflict is not considered.
(Comm. Parrisson,
Your insinuation of a "whitewash" inquiry into Nemtsov's murder and your accusations about Putin are just nonsense.Putin simply does not have to worry about his 'opposition' as they are somewhere between 'unpopular 'and 'despised' by the Russian people.Putins´ popularity in Russia rests on solid 85% for his dealing with the Ukrainian crisis.In fact, he is probably the most popular leader Russia has had since the 1917 Revolution. The isolated and unpopular Nemtsov was no threat for anyone in the Russian government.The last time his party stood for parliament, which was quite a while ago, it won less than 4% of the vote. And when he contested the mayorship of Sochi in 2009 he managed only 14%.Nevertheless he must have been a useful idiot for foreign secret services to slaughter him for their own purpose.
(Loda, 2 March 2015 19:46)
It’s sad. But when people like you don’t know what to say then it’s back to calling them dirty commies. I suggest you read up on the history of that paragon of democracy, the US, and its humanitarian experiments on their own black people during the 1940 and 1950s.
"Let's remind ourselves that modern satellite images can pinpoint small objects on the ground let alone missile launchers or missiles.If the Americans had SOLID proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remarks.MH 17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the USSA to initiate war. Maybe some day we will learn why the plane was sent into the kill zone, deliberately diverted.
(Leonidas, 2 March 2015 15:17) "
So is there no evidence or is there evidence of a false flag operation? You have an internal disconnect in your logic.
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