Official reacts to claim Serbia "must recognize Kosovo"
Marko Djuric qualified on Sunday as "incorrect and detrimental" Ulrike Lunacek's statement that recognizing Kosovo was a condition for Serbia's EU accession.
Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess.
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
Hey mate, you are hitting new records in contradiction; in a single sentence now. If Russia controlled Ukraine, than its government was not democratically elected (it was appointed by Russia). If the government was democractically elected than Ukraine was controlled by the Ukranian people (not Russia). So your sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
But don't worry; I get it that you've dug yourself in such a deep hole of contradictions that you're you loosing it - I totally sympathize :)
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
I have been watching as you dig that hole deeper and deeper. For three years you have been claiming the US has lost all its influence and going down the drain, but yet just 12 months ago it was able to form a coup to overthrow the Russian puppet regime in Ukraine. Had nothing to do with the millions of Ukrainian citizens who wanted to move closer to the EU, did it.
But now the US is on a losing streak, and its almost over. But in these 12 months since the US dollar is the strongest it has been in decades, the Ruble is in shambles and is the weakest it has been in ????
I am putting gasoline in my car at prices I have not seen since Clinton.
Russia which GDP is 80% dependent on oil and gas exports is selling it for less than 60% of what it was getting a year ago. Putin is having to resort to assassination of his opposition in order to maintain his position.
Hope you and Vlad have a great life together.
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
(just wondering, 4 March 2015 11:53)
Due to the restricted word count it does not allow a proper response. Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess. Generally, people don’t care who runs the place provided they have a good standard of living.
However, the US is on a losing streak and it will lose the EU. The US is not fighting for democracy or freedom, it’s fighting for control much like Russia, but its financial problems are only going to increase as its borrowing more and more while it’s only managing to pay interest on those loans. You can’t keep going on for ever like this. When will it stumble? You need the full data at your disposal to make a proper prediction and I don’t have that. The only people that have that information is US Treasury.
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
(sj, 4 March 2015 08:08)
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
(Ari Gold, 4 March 2015 11:01)
You have learned from the sj playbook well, but you scramble with your answers like a mouse caught in a dead end of the maze.
When you read the "about" part of the magazine it mentions nothing of the development bank, quite possibly since the organization has not been finalized and they do not have the ability to finance projects yet.
But I would love to see Serbia turn its back on the EU money and sit and wait on the pennies it will probably receive from this BRICs bank in the next 10 years.
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
(just wondering, 3 March 2015 13:14)
You have more than one delivery method. If Ukraine or whoever does not behave you turn off the gas but your other customers continue to receive supplies. Perhaps I was not clear enough and should have said that Russia does not want to take over all of Ukraine, except the Crimea and coastline, while the rest they will leave alone. After that Russia controls Ukraine.
You think that the US does it differently? No it’s the same method.
I only talked about Poland because it is identical to the Ukraine situation and after Russia built the second pipeline, Poland was no more a problem for Russia. The EU will capitulate because it needs Russian gas and oil. But Russia will want a buffer zone that includes the Balkans. It’s the US that has created this current situation in Ukraine. It’s the US that signed an agreement not to expand NATO to the Baltics and Ukraine but they went back on that agreement.
South stream may yet be built because it will not cost that much to extend the pipeline to Bulgaria. Who knows?
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
(Peggy, 3 March 2015 20:33)
First of all I'm an atheist (catholic family). So I don't give a damn about your imaginary friend living in the clouds, religion or your religious views. I am just stating my catholic family to highlight your intoxicating level of hate towards a whole ethnicity. You are the type of person that incites hate and war.
Second. Serbia stole Kosova to start with. Serbs moved into that territory and said it was theirs.If we dropped from the moon yesterday and showed up in Kosova we have the same right to claim it, just as Serbia is claiming something it wasn't theirs to start with. Little minds however don't understand that it is not even about that. We are there. We aren't moving anywhere, and we will not be subjugated to the Serbs. It is that simple. If you want anything else then you are beging for war and destruction. There is no valid reason on this planet why the Serbs should be free and rule themselves, while Albanians be ruled by Serbs, in Kosova. No reason whatsoever. Freedom tastes the same whether you are Serb or Albanian and nobody should be ruled by others because armchair patriots from Australia are in the mood for it.
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2015 18:20)
Did you read your link or just notice canal and BRICS and come to your own story. It was an article published in BRICS magazine, much like all the articles published in western press. But no where in the article does it mention the BRICS development bank and its financing.
I did find this statement in another article.
"HKND President Wang Jin has reportedly put up $200 million of his own money so far. HKND says it has additional investors lined up from China, Britain, Australia and the U.S"
Of course 200 million is very shy of the 50 billion in cost that is projected.
But you only proved my point that you dreamed or created or whatever nice term you want to use that: "Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank."
Now your response to the grants made me chuckle quite loudly. I am sure that a lot of that money has found its way into the pockets of many (after all do you really believe that MPs can afford villas and expensive cars on their salaries.
But what is amusing is you are one of the ones who keep harping about the billions poured into Kosovo and nothing to show for it. That money went into the hands of UNMIK and EULEX.
This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
(j, 3 March 2015 01:07)
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You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
Ok here: http://bricsmagazine.com/en/articles/the-war-of-canals
And unfortunately the majority of the EU's "grants" go to funding the thriving NGO sector in Belgrade who get paid lots of money to enforce an EU ideology on the ground. They are zombies, but a lot of money is behind them. That's where the majority of this money goes. Not into economic development.
A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
(sj, 3 March 2015 08:14)
You went around the world to keep from answering my question. I said IF Russia is about to control Ukraine then why would they be searching for other routes to the EU other than through land they control.
So you reinforce my claims, "with A pipeline is on the way". Once it hits the EU the problems you drifted off to about Poland they are going to still be there, if it is the EU causing the problems it does not matter if it is coming via Ukraine or Turkey.
So are you saying that Russia still needs to find a supply source other than Ukraine as their take over of Ukraine is not as certain as you claim or rather as reliable as your guarantee that south stream would be built?
Or since they are to overtake Romania, then why not just reroute south stream through Romania rather than Bulgaria and go to Hungary?
"Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia."
Ari
That is a good one, how long did it take you to DREAM that one up? The BRICs bank is not even operational yet, it is not anticipated to begin operations until 2016 and that would be IF Russia can still honor its commitment then.
India parliament just ratified its agreement to participate this last week, There are some still haven't. You see when an agreement is reached such as this then the government must ratified the agreements, not the individuals sitting at a table. The money comes later.
"And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country."
My point exactly, I never claimed Serbia was less economically advantaged than the other Balkan countries but it is JUST as dependent on foreign aid as the others.
" But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point."
Grants to Serbia from 2000-2013
EU-2.6 billion euros
Germany-1.2billion
US-630 million
6 EU countries-1.15 billion
Japan-120 million
China-3.4 million
Note Russia did not make it into the top 10 list of contributors.
So if the EU countries had not been feeding Serbia all these years, there would be no Serbia today.
This is donor money and not the loans mostly from the EU, US, WB, and IMF.
So yes turn to the BRICs that is where your money is, such a fool.
(just wondering, 2 March 2015 18:15)
Let me take you back to the problems Russia had when the main pipeline to Germany went through Poland. The then Polish government made demands and carried on to a point that even the EU has to tell them to pull their heads in. Once the new pipeline was built, at strong protestation from Poland, today you don’t hear a peep from Warsaw. A similar strategy will apply to Ukraine.
Yes I did say the south Stream would be built and I was wrong. However, a new pipeline will come from Turkey via Greece, Macedonia, Serbia then to Hungary. It’s much of a muchness as they say. A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia. But Serbia doesn't even try, and that's the problem. Serbia's gov't is obsessively wrapped up in this failing EU, and binding itself to the failures of that project.
The EU wants to directly manage Serbia's economic functions and no other part of the world is asking that. And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country. But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
(@otrhodox albo and kunt of kosovo, 2 March 2015 17:44)
The above has nothing to do with the Kosova issue. You have two peoples who refuse to be subjucated to one another. It boils down to that. Since Serbia is not autochtonous to the Balkans to start with, it doesn't matter at all whether Albanians are or not. There will never ever be lasting peace in the Balkans as long as Serbs claim sovereignty over the Albanians and/ or vice versa. No matter the degree of sovereignty of one over the other, even if it is nominal only,its nothing but the seed for future wars. This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.
lukebuyenovich,
And tell us please how Serbia stole Kosova on 1914 ?!
Kosova belonged than ,and belong today, to people who lived there always.
Serbia has nothing to do with Kosova,Serbia can look for it's "cradle" somewhere alse,on slavic country,maybe Russia ??
Balcans used to be not slavic area.
Recognition of Kosovo as independent state by Serbia is not possible at this time.Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.For many Serbs including myself Kosovo is a stolen property.ICTY as promised, will rule on legality of bombing Serbia,until tan Serbia should not even answer those statements coming from EU Parliament as they belong to waste basket,they have no values or impact of any kind.AS far as I know there was no Official, publicly known request, made by EU to Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a condition for membership.I would think this is for very good reason.Theft is a criminal act.Kosovo is a thorn in the eye to EU for putting up so much effort and money and coming up with failed State.
Everyone should stop talking out of the side of their mouths. It should be out in the open straight black and white Yes you must recognize or no you do not. No more shades of grey yes or no.
Serbia is going through all of this , but will there except if forced to recognize Kosovo Yes or No. Why doesn't the government come out and tell it like it is,if forced to except what will they do,tell the people NOW , don't wait !' Or is it that they have something to hide !!!!
Leonidas: Strictly speaking you are correct but the point I was making is that there is disputed territory within Cyprus but that this was put to one side by the EU. The EU as a whole cannot take a position on Kosovo but each country can use its veto, so Serbia is stuck as things stand. By the way I cringe every time I see the abbreviation that means For Your Information!! You clearly have very good English skills don't spoil it with American nonsense :-)
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
If this were true, one has to wonder WHY would Russia be considering alternative pipelines to supply Europe considering there should be no more problems with the flow through Ukraine once Russia controls it.
Of course did you not say just a couple of months ago, South Stream WOULD be built.
Djuric is wrong. The EU does not need consensus in terms of Kosovo when admitting Serbia to the EU. Each country has the right to veto and there are 23 countries which will veto.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
Yeah right, you seem to avoid the fact that just a short time ago Serbia was begging for aid during the floods. Russia is essentially bankrupt and will not be able to continue their adventurism in Eastern Ukraine, if you don't believe it, just wait a few months till Russia is on its knees pleading for mercy, for which there will be none. Russia is about to repeat its bankruptcy of the 1990's, but will not be bailed out by the West. This time the U.S. will let Russia become a failed state, then watch the borscht hit the fan. Instead of your prediction of Putin invading Romania, the people of Russia will happily witness little Vlad meeting the fate of Ceausescu.
The sooner Serbia recognizes Kosovo the better for the whole region.
The majority of EU,NATO and Un countries have done that.
Unfortunately in Balkan and people specially Serbs, live with myths and legends and refuse to see the reality.
Lunacek is little more than a one-hit wonder, forever stuck singing the same tune year in and year out. That she now has to give her opinions to Kurir, a sensationalist tabloid gives, me the impression her statement is more for scandalous shock value than anything else. Serbia's road to the EU is at least another five years away and a lot can happen by way of negotiation with Pristina so whatever's left to "recognize" in Kosovo if and when the ultimatum comes up prior to Serbia's accession, will be little more than rhetorical.
Worst case scenario is that a country does veto Serbia's entry, thereby keeping it out of what I can only imagine will still be a hobbling and bureaucratically inept organization. Makes no difference whatsoever to the ordinary person.
So thank's Ulrike, for putting emotional stock in an issue no one cares about.
(Guest, 2 March 2015 12:33) I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
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The status of an unresolved or "frozen conflict" is a more suitable outcome for the EU. The hard reality of permanent borders around KiM, irrespective of status, are an extension of a well entrenched policy of excluding this region's demographic from the EU. Hence, Serbia's recognition is not solicited or required.
he problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
(ned taylor, 2 March 2015 13:59)
FYI Cyprus was accepted into the EU as a whole and Turkish citizens registered in the republic prior to 1974 were able to obtain Cypriot passports ,although the EU legislation is suspended in the territory occupied by Turkey (TRNC)until a solution is found.Furthermore, the occupied part of Cyprus is recognised by Turkey alone and the same cannot be said about Kosovo.
I have never heard of the lady in question and have no idea what her political allegiance is, but putting aside the fact that we are talking about Serbia and Kosovo it makes perfect sense for a multi country organisation like the EU to only accept new members with clearly defined borders. The problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
Serbia is guilty for allowing itself to join pristinas top officials at negotiating table. When you negotiate with an opposition party, in a country that has recognized Kosovo; you automatically open the door for EU officials to put conditions in front of you. You're trying to join a club that majority of them have recognized Kosovo, what message does that send to the remaining members that have not recognized Kosovo? Serbia is guilty all around, had the government done what they ran their campaign on they would have been in a much better place. They ridiculed Tadic for trying to join EU, and for the infamous hand shake with Thaci at some regional summit. While the entire SNS cabinet has almost shook hands with Thaci, and ready to join EU at all cost.
Kosovo on the other hand is trying to do what any other country would do, and that is gain as much legitimacy as possible. I hear it from the serbia si d en all the time, if Kosovo is in fact independent why do Albanians have to say it and keep repeating? Same question goes for serbians too, if it is not independent why do Serbs feel the need to say it is not?
I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
"This is true because of the fact "the EU does not have a political consensus on the issue because five EU member countries do not recognise the so-called Republic of Kosovo and all relevant EU decisions are adopted and will be adopted through consensus," he said."
He proves Lunacek right with his own argument.
The EU acts on consensus, none of the 5 that do not recognize Kosovo are likely to veto Serbia's admission if Serbia does recognize Kosovo. However, that is almost a 100% chance that one or more of the 22 WILL veto should Serbia not recognize, thus no consensus and no admission.
It is true what he says that the EU does not have a consensus on the recognition of Kosovo, as long as one country says that Serbia must recognize to gain entrance then there will not be a consensus on admission.
As far as Serbia waiting on the Development Bank, good luck, the agreement on the initial deposit of 10 billion dollars from each of the 5 countries is over a 7 year period. You have at least a decade before it reaches its 100 billion dollar goal. Serbia needs that money now, and even more over the next few years when repayment on the loans already obtained become due. Plus the development bank is supposedly to loan for infrastructure projects, Serbia needs the money to put food on the table right now.
I completely agree. Serbia either has the most incompetent government in the world or they are deliberately lying to everyone with this EU nonsense.
But the biggest fallacy is potential benefits of joining the EU. Right now, there are none. 0. There may have been some in 2000-2005 but times have dramatically changed. http://www.notre-europe.eu/media/iseuropefailing-fischer-jdi-b-nov14.pdf?pdf=ok
Serbia does not need to join the EU. It needs to focus on building relations with BRICS countries who just invested $100 billion in a development bank.
The EU will always be there for trade due to geographic proximity. But Serbia's opportunities lie globally.
In an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Kurir on Sunday, Lunacek said... and called on Serbs in Kosovo "to state their citizenship as that of Kosovo, with equal rights and obligations."
Equal rights in Kosovo? It's an apartheid regime like in former South Africa, with the difference that minorities have the same rights on-paper. But in real life, they are discriminated, threatened, stoned, persecuted and sometimes beaten by KPS police, based on ethnicity.
The Serbian political elite fears to public to accept openly the truth about Kosovo. At present prefers the policy of "eating with two spoons" when it comes to the relations with Russia and EU. On the other side it is still "uncomfortable" in recognizing formally the independence of Kosovo and justifying "there are five member states that haven't recognize Kosovo independence state" and just wants to be the six. EU will now allow another Cyprus in its ranks.
I’ve said it before. The EU parliament is a worthless body that is only designed to keep in employment useless hacks from member countries. No one pays any attention to these parliamentarians simply because if they can’t force Spain or the other member countries that do not recognise Kosovo to change their stance, then what chance do they have with Serbia? NONE.
How many times have we heard from Doris Pack that Serbia must recognise Kosovo or do this or that otherwise no freedom of movement in Euro zone or whatever? I’ve lost count.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
In an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Kurir on Sunday, Lunacek said... and called on Serbs in Kosovo "to state their citizenship as that of Kosovo, with equal rights and obligations."
Equal rights in Kosovo? It's an apartheid regime like in former South Africa, with the difference that minorities have the same rights on-paper. But in real life, they are discriminated, threatened, stoned, persecuted and sometimes beaten by KPS police, based on ethnicity.
I completely agree. Serbia either has the most incompetent government in the world or they are deliberately lying to everyone with this EU nonsense.
But the biggest fallacy is potential benefits of joining the EU. Right now, there are none. 0. There may have been some in 2000-2005 but times have dramatically changed. http://www.notre-europe.eu/media/iseuropefailing-fischer-jdi-b-nov14.pdf?pdf=ok
Serbia does not need to join the EU. It needs to focus on building relations with BRICS countries who just invested $100 billion in a development bank.
The EU will always be there for trade due to geographic proximity. But Serbia's opportunities lie globally.
The sooner Serbia recognizes Kosovo the better for the whole region.
The majority of EU,NATO and Un countries have done that.
Unfortunately in Balkan and people specially Serbs, live with myths and legends and refuse to see the reality.
I’ve said it before. The EU parliament is a worthless body that is only designed to keep in employment useless hacks from member countries. No one pays any attention to these parliamentarians simply because if they can’t force Spain or the other member countries that do not recognise Kosovo to change their stance, then what chance do they have with Serbia? NONE.
How many times have we heard from Doris Pack that Serbia must recognise Kosovo or do this or that otherwise no freedom of movement in Euro zone or whatever? I’ve lost count.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
Serbia is guilty for allowing itself to join pristinas top officials at negotiating table. When you negotiate with an opposition party, in a country that has recognized Kosovo; you automatically open the door for EU officials to put conditions in front of you. You're trying to join a club that majority of them have recognized Kosovo, what message does that send to the remaining members that have not recognized Kosovo? Serbia is guilty all around, had the government done what they ran their campaign on they would have been in a much better place. They ridiculed Tadic for trying to join EU, and for the infamous hand shake with Thaci at some regional summit. While the entire SNS cabinet has almost shook hands with Thaci, and ready to join EU at all cost.
Kosovo on the other hand is trying to do what any other country would do, and that is gain as much legitimacy as possible. I hear it from the serbia si d en all the time, if Kosovo is in fact independent why do Albanians have to say it and keep repeating? Same question goes for serbians too, if it is not independent why do Serbs feel the need to say it is not?
I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
Yeah right, you seem to avoid the fact that just a short time ago Serbia was begging for aid during the floods. Russia is essentially bankrupt and will not be able to continue their adventurism in Eastern Ukraine, if you don't believe it, just wait a few months till Russia is on its knees pleading for mercy, for which there will be none. Russia is about to repeat its bankruptcy of the 1990's, but will not be bailed out by the West. This time the U.S. will let Russia become a failed state, then watch the borscht hit the fan. Instead of your prediction of Putin invading Romania, the people of Russia will happily witness little Vlad meeting the fate of Ceausescu.
Recognition of Kosovo as independent state by Serbia is not possible at this time.Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.For many Serbs including myself Kosovo is a stolen property.ICTY as promised, will rule on legality of bombing Serbia,until tan Serbia should not even answer those statements coming from EU Parliament as they belong to waste basket,they have no values or impact of any kind.AS far as I know there was no Official, publicly known request, made by EU to Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a condition for membership.I would think this is for very good reason.Theft is a criminal act.Kosovo is a thorn in the eye to EU for putting up so much effort and money and coming up with failed State.
The Serbian political elite fears to public to accept openly the truth about Kosovo. At present prefers the policy of "eating with two spoons" when it comes to the relations with Russia and EU. On the other side it is still "uncomfortable" in recognizing formally the independence of Kosovo and justifying "there are five member states that haven't recognize Kosovo independence state" and just wants to be the six. EU will now allow another Cyprus in its ranks.
"This is true because of the fact "the EU does not have a political consensus on the issue because five EU member countries do not recognise the so-called Republic of Kosovo and all relevant EU decisions are adopted and will be adopted through consensus," he said."
He proves Lunacek right with his own argument.
The EU acts on consensus, none of the 5 that do not recognize Kosovo are likely to veto Serbia's admission if Serbia does recognize Kosovo. However, that is almost a 100% chance that one or more of the 22 WILL veto should Serbia not recognize, thus no consensus and no admission.
It is true what he says that the EU does not have a consensus on the recognition of Kosovo, as long as one country says that Serbia must recognize to gain entrance then there will not be a consensus on admission.
As far as Serbia waiting on the Development Bank, good luck, the agreement on the initial deposit of 10 billion dollars from each of the 5 countries is over a 7 year period. You have at least a decade before it reaches its 100 billion dollar goal. Serbia needs that money now, and even more over the next few years when repayment on the loans already obtained become due. Plus the development bank is supposedly to loan for infrastructure projects, Serbia needs the money to put food on the table right now.
Djuric is wrong. The EU does not need consensus in terms of Kosovo when admitting Serbia to the EU. Each country has the right to veto and there are 23 countries which will veto.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.
lukebuyenovich,
And tell us please how Serbia stole Kosova on 1914 ?!
Kosova belonged than ,and belong today, to people who lived there always.
Serbia has nothing to do with Kosova,Serbia can look for it's "cradle" somewhere alse,on slavic country,maybe Russia ??
Balcans used to be not slavic area.
"Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia."
Ari
That is a good one, how long did it take you to DREAM that one up? The BRICs bank is not even operational yet, it is not anticipated to begin operations until 2016 and that would be IF Russia can still honor its commitment then.
India parliament just ratified its agreement to participate this last week, There are some still haven't. You see when an agreement is reached such as this then the government must ratified the agreements, not the individuals sitting at a table. The money comes later.
"And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country."
My point exactly, I never claimed Serbia was less economically advantaged than the other Balkan countries but it is JUST as dependent on foreign aid as the others.
" But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point."
Grants to Serbia from 2000-2013
EU-2.6 billion euros
Germany-1.2billion
US-630 million
6 EU countries-1.15 billion
Japan-120 million
China-3.4 million
Note Russia did not make it into the top 10 list of contributors.
So if the EU countries had not been feeding Serbia all these years, there would be no Serbia today.
This is donor money and not the loans mostly from the EU, US, WB, and IMF.
So yes turn to the BRICs that is where your money is, such a fool.
(Guest, 2 March 2015 12:33) I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
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The status of an unresolved or "frozen conflict" is a more suitable outcome for the EU. The hard reality of permanent borders around KiM, irrespective of status, are an extension of a well entrenched policy of excluding this region's demographic from the EU. Hence, Serbia's recognition is not solicited or required.
Lunacek is little more than a one-hit wonder, forever stuck singing the same tune year in and year out. That she now has to give her opinions to Kurir, a sensationalist tabloid gives, me the impression her statement is more for scandalous shock value than anything else. Serbia's road to the EU is at least another five years away and a lot can happen by way of negotiation with Pristina so whatever's left to "recognize" in Kosovo if and when the ultimatum comes up prior to Serbia's accession, will be little more than rhetorical.
Worst case scenario is that a country does veto Serbia's entry, thereby keeping it out of what I can only imagine will still be a hobbling and bureaucratically inept organization. Makes no difference whatsoever to the ordinary person.
So thank's Ulrike, for putting emotional stock in an issue no one cares about.
Everyone should stop talking out of the side of their mouths. It should be out in the open straight black and white Yes you must recognize or no you do not. No more shades of grey yes or no.
Serbia is going through all of this , but will there except if forced to recognize Kosovo Yes or No. Why doesn't the government come out and tell it like it is,if forced to except what will they do,tell the people NOW , don't wait !' Or is it that they have something to hide !!!!
I have never heard of the lady in question and have no idea what her political allegiance is, but putting aside the fact that we are talking about Serbia and Kosovo it makes perfect sense for a multi country organisation like the EU to only accept new members with clearly defined borders. The problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
(Peggy, 3 March 2015 20:33)
First of all I'm an atheist (catholic family). So I don't give a damn about your imaginary friend living in the clouds, religion or your religious views. I am just stating my catholic family to highlight your intoxicating level of hate towards a whole ethnicity. You are the type of person that incites hate and war.
Second. Serbia stole Kosova to start with. Serbs moved into that territory and said it was theirs.If we dropped from the moon yesterday and showed up in Kosova we have the same right to claim it, just as Serbia is claiming something it wasn't theirs to start with. Little minds however don't understand that it is not even about that. We are there. We aren't moving anywhere, and we will not be subjugated to the Serbs. It is that simple. If you want anything else then you are beging for war and destruction. There is no valid reason on this planet why the Serbs should be free and rule themselves, while Albanians be ruled by Serbs, in Kosova. No reason whatsoever. Freedom tastes the same whether you are Serb or Albanian and nobody should be ruled by others because armchair patriots from Australia are in the mood for it.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
If this were true, one has to wonder WHY would Russia be considering alternative pipelines to supply Europe considering there should be no more problems with the flow through Ukraine once Russia controls it.
Of course did you not say just a couple of months ago, South Stream WOULD be built.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
(@otrhodox albo and kunt of kosovo, 2 March 2015 17:44)
The above has nothing to do with the Kosova issue. You have two peoples who refuse to be subjucated to one another. It boils down to that. Since Serbia is not autochtonous to the Balkans to start with, it doesn't matter at all whether Albanians are or not. There will never ever be lasting peace in the Balkans as long as Serbs claim sovereignty over the Albanians and/ or vice versa. No matter the degree of sovereignty of one over the other, even if it is nominal only,its nothing but the seed for future wars. This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
he problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
(ned taylor, 2 March 2015 13:59)
FYI Cyprus was accepted into the EU as a whole and Turkish citizens registered in the republic prior to 1974 were able to obtain Cypriot passports ,although the EU legislation is suspended in the territory occupied by Turkey (TRNC)until a solution is found.Furthermore, the occupied part of Cyprus is recognised by Turkey alone and the same cannot be said about Kosovo.
Leonidas: Strictly speaking you are correct but the point I was making is that there is disputed territory within Cyprus but that this was put to one side by the EU. The EU as a whole cannot take a position on Kosovo but each country can use its veto, so Serbia is stuck as things stand. By the way I cringe every time I see the abbreviation that means For Your Information!! You clearly have very good English skills don't spoil it with American nonsense :-)
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2015 18:20)
Did you read your link or just notice canal and BRICS and come to your own story. It was an article published in BRICS magazine, much like all the articles published in western press. But no where in the article does it mention the BRICS development bank and its financing.
I did find this statement in another article.
"HKND President Wang Jin has reportedly put up $200 million of his own money so far. HKND says it has additional investors lined up from China, Britain, Australia and the U.S"
Of course 200 million is very shy of the 50 billion in cost that is projected.
But you only proved my point that you dreamed or created or whatever nice term you want to use that: "Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank."
Now your response to the grants made me chuckle quite loudly. I am sure that a lot of that money has found its way into the pockets of many (after all do you really believe that MPs can afford villas and expensive cars on their salaries.
But what is amusing is you are one of the ones who keep harping about the billions poured into Kosovo and nothing to show for it. That money went into the hands of UNMIK and EULEX.
Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess.
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
Hey mate, you are hitting new records in contradiction; in a single sentence now. If Russia controlled Ukraine, than its government was not democratically elected (it was appointed by Russia). If the government was democractically elected than Ukraine was controlled by the Ukranian people (not Russia). So your sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
But don't worry; I get it that you've dug yourself in such a deep hole of contradictions that you're you loosing it - I totally sympathize :)
Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia. But Serbia doesn't even try, and that's the problem. Serbia's gov't is obsessively wrapped up in this failing EU, and binding itself to the failures of that project.
The EU wants to directly manage Serbia's economic functions and no other part of the world is asking that. And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country. But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point.
A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
(sj, 3 March 2015 08:14)
You went around the world to keep from answering my question. I said IF Russia is about to control Ukraine then why would they be searching for other routes to the EU other than through land they control.
So you reinforce my claims, "with A pipeline is on the way". Once it hits the EU the problems you drifted off to about Poland they are going to still be there, if it is the EU causing the problems it does not matter if it is coming via Ukraine or Turkey.
So are you saying that Russia still needs to find a supply source other than Ukraine as their take over of Ukraine is not as certain as you claim or rather as reliable as your guarantee that south stream would be built?
Or since they are to overtake Romania, then why not just reroute south stream through Romania rather than Bulgaria and go to Hungary?
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
(Ari Gold, 4 March 2015 11:01)
You have learned from the sj playbook well, but you scramble with your answers like a mouse caught in a dead end of the maze.
When you read the "about" part of the magazine it mentions nothing of the development bank, quite possibly since the organization has not been finalized and they do not have the ability to finance projects yet.
But I would love to see Serbia turn its back on the EU money and sit and wait on the pennies it will probably receive from this BRICs bank in the next 10 years.
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
(sj, 4 March 2015 08:08)
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
I have been watching as you dig that hole deeper and deeper. For three years you have been claiming the US has lost all its influence and going down the drain, but yet just 12 months ago it was able to form a coup to overthrow the Russian puppet regime in Ukraine. Had nothing to do with the millions of Ukrainian citizens who wanted to move closer to the EU, did it.
But now the US is on a losing streak, and its almost over. But in these 12 months since the US dollar is the strongest it has been in decades, the Ruble is in shambles and is the weakest it has been in ????
I am putting gasoline in my car at prices I have not seen since Clinton.
Russia which GDP is 80% dependent on oil and gas exports is selling it for less than 60% of what it was getting a year ago. Putin is having to resort to assassination of his opposition in order to maintain his position.
Hope you and Vlad have a great life together.
(just wondering, 2 March 2015 18:15)
Let me take you back to the problems Russia had when the main pipeline to Germany went through Poland. The then Polish government made demands and carried on to a point that even the EU has to tell them to pull their heads in. Once the new pipeline was built, at strong protestation from Poland, today you don’t hear a peep from Warsaw. A similar strategy will apply to Ukraine.
Yes I did say the south Stream would be built and I was wrong. However, a new pipeline will come from Turkey via Greece, Macedonia, Serbia then to Hungary. It’s much of a muchness as they say. A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
Ok here: http://bricsmagazine.com/en/articles/the-war-of-canals
And unfortunately the majority of the EU's "grants" go to funding the thriving NGO sector in Belgrade who get paid lots of money to enforce an EU ideology on the ground. They are zombies, but a lot of money is behind them. That's where the majority of this money goes. Not into economic development.
This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
(j, 3 March 2015 01:07)
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You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
(just wondering, 3 March 2015 13:14)
You have more than one delivery method. If Ukraine or whoever does not behave you turn off the gas but your other customers continue to receive supplies. Perhaps I was not clear enough and should have said that Russia does not want to take over all of Ukraine, except the Crimea and coastline, while the rest they will leave alone. After that Russia controls Ukraine.
You think that the US does it differently? No it’s the same method.
I only talked about Poland because it is identical to the Ukraine situation and after Russia built the second pipeline, Poland was no more a problem for Russia. The EU will capitulate because it needs Russian gas and oil. But Russia will want a buffer zone that includes the Balkans. It’s the US that has created this current situation in Ukraine. It’s the US that signed an agreement not to expand NATO to the Baltics and Ukraine but they went back on that agreement.
South stream may yet be built because it will not cost that much to extend the pipeline to Bulgaria. Who knows?
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
(just wondering, 4 March 2015 11:53)
Due to the restricted word count it does not allow a proper response. Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess. Generally, people don’t care who runs the place provided they have a good standard of living.
However, the US is on a losing streak and it will lose the EU. The US is not fighting for democracy or freedom, it’s fighting for control much like Russia, but its financial problems are only going to increase as its borrowing more and more while it’s only managing to pay interest on those loans. You can’t keep going on for ever like this. When will it stumble? You need the full data at your disposal to make a proper prediction and I don’t have that. The only people that have that information is US Treasury.
The sooner Serbia recognizes Kosovo the better for the whole region.
The majority of EU,NATO and Un countries have done that.
Unfortunately in Balkan and people specially Serbs, live with myths and legends and refuse to see the reality.
In an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Kurir on Sunday, Lunacek said... and called on Serbs in Kosovo "to state their citizenship as that of Kosovo, with equal rights and obligations."
Equal rights in Kosovo? It's an apartheid regime like in former South Africa, with the difference that minorities have the same rights on-paper. But in real life, they are discriminated, threatened, stoned, persecuted and sometimes beaten by KPS police, based on ethnicity.
I’ve said it before. The EU parliament is a worthless body that is only designed to keep in employment useless hacks from member countries. No one pays any attention to these parliamentarians simply because if they can’t force Spain or the other member countries that do not recognise Kosovo to change their stance, then what chance do they have with Serbia? NONE.
How many times have we heard from Doris Pack that Serbia must recognise Kosovo or do this or that otherwise no freedom of movement in Euro zone or whatever? I’ve lost count.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
The Serbian political elite fears to public to accept openly the truth about Kosovo. At present prefers the policy of "eating with two spoons" when it comes to the relations with Russia and EU. On the other side it is still "uncomfortable" in recognizing formally the independence of Kosovo and justifying "there are five member states that haven't recognize Kosovo independence state" and just wants to be the six. EU will now allow another Cyprus in its ranks.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
Yeah right, you seem to avoid the fact that just a short time ago Serbia was begging for aid during the floods. Russia is essentially bankrupt and will not be able to continue their adventurism in Eastern Ukraine, if you don't believe it, just wait a few months till Russia is on its knees pleading for mercy, for which there will be none. Russia is about to repeat its bankruptcy of the 1990's, but will not be bailed out by the West. This time the U.S. will let Russia become a failed state, then watch the borscht hit the fan. Instead of your prediction of Putin invading Romania, the people of Russia will happily witness little Vlad meeting the fate of Ceausescu.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
Recognition of Kosovo as independent state by Serbia is not possible at this time.Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.For many Serbs including myself Kosovo is a stolen property.ICTY as promised, will rule on legality of bombing Serbia,until tan Serbia should not even answer those statements coming from EU Parliament as they belong to waste basket,they have no values or impact of any kind.AS far as I know there was no Official, publicly known request, made by EU to Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a condition for membership.I would think this is for very good reason.Theft is a criminal act.Kosovo is a thorn in the eye to EU for putting up so much effort and money and coming up with failed State.
I completely agree. Serbia either has the most incompetent government in the world or they are deliberately lying to everyone with this EU nonsense.
But the biggest fallacy is potential benefits of joining the EU. Right now, there are none. 0. There may have been some in 2000-2005 but times have dramatically changed. http://www.notre-europe.eu/media/iseuropefailing-fischer-jdi-b-nov14.pdf?pdf=ok
Serbia does not need to join the EU. It needs to focus on building relations with BRICS countries who just invested $100 billion in a development bank.
The EU will always be there for trade due to geographic proximity. But Serbia's opportunities lie globally.
he problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
(ned taylor, 2 March 2015 13:59)
FYI Cyprus was accepted into the EU as a whole and Turkish citizens registered in the republic prior to 1974 were able to obtain Cypriot passports ,although the EU legislation is suspended in the territory occupied by Turkey (TRNC)until a solution is found.Furthermore, the occupied part of Cyprus is recognised by Turkey alone and the same cannot be said about Kosovo.
Kosovo was stolen at gun point from Serbia.
lukebuyenovich,
And tell us please how Serbia stole Kosova on 1914 ?!
Kosova belonged than ,and belong today, to people who lived there always.
Serbia has nothing to do with Kosova,Serbia can look for it's "cradle" somewhere alse,on slavic country,maybe Russia ??
Balcans used to be not slavic area.
This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
(j, 3 March 2015 01:07)
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You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia. But Serbia doesn't even try, and that's the problem. Serbia's gov't is obsessively wrapped up in this failing EU, and binding itself to the failures of that project.
The EU wants to directly manage Serbia's economic functions and no other part of the world is asking that. And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country. But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point.
Serbia is guilty for allowing itself to join pristinas top officials at negotiating table. When you negotiate with an opposition party, in a country that has recognized Kosovo; you automatically open the door for EU officials to put conditions in front of you. You're trying to join a club that majority of them have recognized Kosovo, what message does that send to the remaining members that have not recognized Kosovo? Serbia is guilty all around, had the government done what they ran their campaign on they would have been in a much better place. They ridiculed Tadic for trying to join EU, and for the infamous hand shake with Thaci at some regional summit. While the entire SNS cabinet has almost shook hands with Thaci, and ready to join EU at all cost.
Kosovo on the other hand is trying to do what any other country would do, and that is gain as much legitimacy as possible. I hear it from the serbia si d en all the time, if Kosovo is in fact independent why do Albanians have to say it and keep repeating? Same question goes for serbians too, if it is not independent why do Serbs feel the need to say it is not?
I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
Lunacek is little more than a one-hit wonder, forever stuck singing the same tune year in and year out. That she now has to give her opinions to Kurir, a sensationalist tabloid gives, me the impression her statement is more for scandalous shock value than anything else. Serbia's road to the EU is at least another five years away and a lot can happen by way of negotiation with Pristina so whatever's left to "recognize" in Kosovo if and when the ultimatum comes up prior to Serbia's accession, will be little more than rhetorical.
Worst case scenario is that a country does veto Serbia's entry, thereby keeping it out of what I can only imagine will still be a hobbling and bureaucratically inept organization. Makes no difference whatsoever to the ordinary person.
So thank's Ulrike, for putting emotional stock in an issue no one cares about.
Djuric is wrong. The EU does not need consensus in terms of Kosovo when admitting Serbia to the EU. Each country has the right to veto and there are 23 countries which will veto.
(just wondering, 2 March 2015 18:15)
Let me take you back to the problems Russia had when the main pipeline to Germany went through Poland. The then Polish government made demands and carried on to a point that even the EU has to tell them to pull their heads in. Once the new pipeline was built, at strong protestation from Poland, today you don’t hear a peep from Warsaw. A similar strategy will apply to Ukraine.
Yes I did say the south Stream would be built and I was wrong. However, a new pipeline will come from Turkey via Greece, Macedonia, Serbia then to Hungary. It’s much of a muchness as they say. A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
"This is true because of the fact "the EU does not have a political consensus on the issue because five EU member countries do not recognise the so-called Republic of Kosovo and all relevant EU decisions are adopted and will be adopted through consensus," he said."
He proves Lunacek right with his own argument.
The EU acts on consensus, none of the 5 that do not recognize Kosovo are likely to veto Serbia's admission if Serbia does recognize Kosovo. However, that is almost a 100% chance that one or more of the 22 WILL veto should Serbia not recognize, thus no consensus and no admission.
It is true what he says that the EU does not have a consensus on the recognition of Kosovo, as long as one country says that Serbia must recognize to gain entrance then there will not be a consensus on admission.
As far as Serbia waiting on the Development Bank, good luck, the agreement on the initial deposit of 10 billion dollars from each of the 5 countries is over a 7 year period. You have at least a decade before it reaches its 100 billion dollar goal. Serbia needs that money now, and even more over the next few years when repayment on the loans already obtained become due. Plus the development bank is supposedly to loan for infrastructure projects, Serbia needs the money to put food on the table right now.
At the pace that Russia is taking Ukraine, Moldova will take less than 24 hours and then Romania, the EU is filling their nappies and will be making offers to Serbia left right and centre.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:56)
If this were true, one has to wonder WHY would Russia be considering alternative pipelines to supply Europe considering there should be no more problems with the flow through Ukraine once Russia controls it.
Of course did you not say just a couple of months ago, South Stream WOULD be built.
(Guest, 2 March 2015 12:33) I strongly believe that serbian officials have signed off on Kosovos independence long ago, they're just playing out the process until they can admit it formally in public.
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The status of an unresolved or "frozen conflict" is a more suitable outcome for the EU. The hard reality of permanent borders around KiM, irrespective of status, are an extension of a well entrenched policy of excluding this region's demographic from the EU. Hence, Serbia's recognition is not solicited or required.
(just wondering, 3 March 2015 13:14)
You have more than one delivery method. If Ukraine or whoever does not behave you turn off the gas but your other customers continue to receive supplies. Perhaps I was not clear enough and should have said that Russia does not want to take over all of Ukraine, except the Crimea and coastline, while the rest they will leave alone. After that Russia controls Ukraine.
You think that the US does it differently? No it’s the same method.
I only talked about Poland because it is identical to the Ukraine situation and after Russia built the second pipeline, Poland was no more a problem for Russia. The EU will capitulate because it needs Russian gas and oil. But Russia will want a buffer zone that includes the Balkans. It’s the US that has created this current situation in Ukraine. It’s the US that signed an agreement not to expand NATO to the Baltics and Ukraine but they went back on that agreement.
South stream may yet be built because it will not cost that much to extend the pipeline to Bulgaria. Who knows?
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
Leonidas: Strictly speaking you are correct but the point I was making is that there is disputed territory within Cyprus but that this was put to one side by the EU. The EU as a whole cannot take a position on Kosovo but each country can use its veto, so Serbia is stuck as things stand. By the way I cringe every time I see the abbreviation that means For Your Information!! You clearly have very good English skills don't spoil it with American nonsense :-)
A pipeline is on the way regardless of what you call it.
(sj, 3 March 2015 08:14)
You went around the world to keep from answering my question. I said IF Russia is about to control Ukraine then why would they be searching for other routes to the EU other than through land they control.
So you reinforce my claims, "with A pipeline is on the way". Once it hits the EU the problems you drifted off to about Poland they are going to still be there, if it is the EU causing the problems it does not matter if it is coming via Ukraine or Turkey.
So are you saying that Russia still needs to find a supply source other than Ukraine as their take over of Ukraine is not as certain as you claim or rather as reliable as your guarantee that south stream would be built?
Or since they are to overtake Romania, then why not just reroute south stream through Romania rather than Bulgaria and go to Hungary?
"Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank. If Nicaragua can secure investment, so can Serbia."
Ari
That is a good one, how long did it take you to DREAM that one up? The BRICs bank is not even operational yet, it is not anticipated to begin operations until 2016 and that would be IF Russia can still honor its commitment then.
India parliament just ratified its agreement to participate this last week, There are some still haven't. You see when an agreement is reached such as this then the government must ratified the agreements, not the individuals sitting at a table. The money comes later.
"And as far as "food on the table now", Serbia doesn't need it any more than any other Balkan country."
My point exactly, I never claimed Serbia was less economically advantaged than the other Balkan countries but it is JUST as dependent on foreign aid as the others.
" But the EU isn't even providing that, this is my whole point."
Grants to Serbia from 2000-2013
EU-2.6 billion euros
Germany-1.2billion
US-630 million
6 EU countries-1.15 billion
Japan-120 million
China-3.4 million
Note Russia did not make it into the top 10 list of contributors.
So if the EU countries had not been feeding Serbia all these years, there would be no Serbia today.
This is donor money and not the loans mostly from the EU, US, WB, and IMF.
So yes turn to the BRICs that is where your money is, such a fool.
Ok here: http://bricsmagazine.com/en/articles/the-war-of-canals
And unfortunately the majority of the EU's "grants" go to funding the thriving NGO sector in Belgrade who get paid lots of money to enforce an EU ideology on the ground. They are zombies, but a lot of money is behind them. That's where the majority of this money goes. Not into economic development.
I have never heard of the lady in question and have no idea what her political allegiance is, but putting aside the fact that we are talking about Serbia and Kosovo it makes perfect sense for a multi country organisation like the EU to only accept new members with clearly defined borders. The problem of course is that they admitted Cyprus previously and unless I've been asleep for 20 years without realising it, that country still has on-going disputes regarding the extent of its territory.
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
(just wondering, 4 March 2015 11:53)
Due to the restricted word count it does not allow a proper response. Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess. Generally, people don’t care who runs the place provided they have a good standard of living.
However, the US is on a losing streak and it will lose the EU. The US is not fighting for democracy or freedom, it’s fighting for control much like Russia, but its financial problems are only going to increase as its borrowing more and more while it’s only managing to pay interest on those loans. You can’t keep going on for ever like this. When will it stumble? You need the full data at your disposal to make a proper prediction and I don’t have that. The only people that have that information is US Treasury.
u r on the wrong track - albanians are the ones who live in dream world - like orphans u know - Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich ""the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" or another real and honest Albanian Dr Adrian Qosi. so stop living in fantasies and give Serbs back what theirs and stop in- and overbreeding - u see how easlity ur problems are solved...
(@otrhodox albo and kunt of kosovo, 2 March 2015 17:44)
The above has nothing to do with the Kosova issue. You have two peoples who refuse to be subjucated to one another. It boils down to that. Since Serbia is not autochtonous to the Balkans to start with, it doesn't matter at all whether Albanians are or not. There will never ever be lasting peace in the Balkans as long as Serbs claim sovereignty over the Albanians and/ or vice versa. No matter the degree of sovereignty of one over the other, even if it is nominal only,its nothing but the seed for future wars. This is why it is crucial that our respective people be independent of each other and rule only their own. For the sake of a peaceful tomorrow.
You can't move into someone's territory, overpoulate and then say it's your own. You want your own? Move to Albanaia and leave Serbia (Kosovo included0 alone.
You people are like all the Muslims. Move into other countries and then demand that you have it your way. Europe has become a real mess because of it.
(Peggy, 3 March 2015 20:33)
First of all I'm an atheist (catholic family). So I don't give a damn about your imaginary friend living in the clouds, religion or your religious views. I am just stating my catholic family to highlight your intoxicating level of hate towards a whole ethnicity. You are the type of person that incites hate and war.
Second. Serbia stole Kosova to start with. Serbs moved into that territory and said it was theirs.If we dropped from the moon yesterday and showed up in Kosova we have the same right to claim it, just as Serbia is claiming something it wasn't theirs to start with. Little minds however don't understand that it is not even about that. We are there. We aren't moving anywhere, and we will not be subjugated to the Serbs. It is that simple. If you want anything else then you are beging for war and destruction. There is no valid reason on this planet why the Serbs should be free and rule themselves, while Albanians be ruled by Serbs, in Kosova. No reason whatsoever. Freedom tastes the same whether you are Serb or Albanian and nobody should be ruled by others because armchair patriots from Australia are in the mood for it.
The whole point of the magazine is to cover projects by the BRICS Development Bank. It was only agreed to by all the BRICS countries this past month. It's coming. And the whole point I was making was Serbia should try to make a play for some of that money to be invested in the country so there can be diversification. Because it would be stupid to only rely on the struggling Eurozone, the only part of the world not growing, for economic activity.
(Ari Gold, 4 March 2015 11:01)
You have learned from the sj playbook well, but you scramble with your answers like a mouse caught in a dead end of the maze.
When you read the "about" part of the magazine it mentions nothing of the development bank, quite possibly since the organization has not been finalized and they do not have the ability to finance projects yet.
But I would love to see Serbia turn its back on the EU money and sit and wait on the pennies it will probably receive from this BRICs bank in the next 10 years.
Everyone should stop talking out of the side of their mouths. It should be out in the open straight black and white Yes you must recognize or no you do not. No more shades of grey yes or no.
Serbia is going through all of this , but will there except if forced to recognize Kosovo Yes or No. Why doesn't the government come out and tell it like it is,if forced to except what will they do,tell the people NOW , don't wait !' Or is it that they have something to hide !!!!
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2015 18:20)
Did you read your link or just notice canal and BRICS and come to your own story. It was an article published in BRICS magazine, much like all the articles published in western press. But no where in the article does it mention the BRICS development bank and its financing.
I did find this statement in another article.
"HKND President Wang Jin has reportedly put up $200 million of his own money so far. HKND says it has additional investors lined up from China, Britain, Australia and the U.S"
Of course 200 million is very shy of the 50 billion in cost that is projected.
But you only proved my point that you dreamed or created or whatever nice term you want to use that: "Nicaragua is building a canal that is directly sponsored by the BRICS development bank."
Now your response to the grants made me chuckle quite loudly. I am sure that a lot of that money has found its way into the pockets of many (after all do you really believe that MPs can afford villas and expensive cars on their salaries.
But what is amusing is you are one of the ones who keep harping about the billions poured into Kosovo and nothing to show for it. That money went into the hands of UNMIK and EULEX.
When I say take over I mean install friendly governments, that all.
(sj, 4 March 2015 08:08)
Sorry, I was only taking you at your words.
Of course Russia had control of the Ukrainian govt, how did that work out for them?
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
I have been watching as you dig that hole deeper and deeper. For three years you have been claiming the US has lost all its influence and going down the drain, but yet just 12 months ago it was able to form a coup to overthrow the Russian puppet regime in Ukraine. Had nothing to do with the millions of Ukrainian citizens who wanted to move closer to the EU, did it.
But now the US is on a losing streak, and its almost over. But in these 12 months since the US dollar is the strongest it has been in decades, the Ruble is in shambles and is the weakest it has been in ????
I am putting gasoline in my car at prices I have not seen since Clinton.
Russia which GDP is 80% dependent on oil and gas exports is selling it for less than 60% of what it was getting a year ago. Putin is having to resort to assassination of his opposition in order to maintain his position.
Hope you and Vlad have a great life together.
Yes, Russia did control Ukraine until the US organised a coup and kicked out a democratically elected government and now we have this mess.
(sj, 5 March 2015 09:29)
Hey mate, you are hitting new records in contradiction; in a single sentence now. If Russia controlled Ukraine, than its government was not democratically elected (it was appointed by Russia). If the government was democractically elected than Ukraine was controlled by the Ukranian people (not Russia). So your sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
But don't worry; I get it that you've dug yourself in such a deep hole of contradictions that you're you loosing it - I totally sympathize :)
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