Serbia "in line of fire" over Ukraine, says U.S. official

Comm. Parrisson,
Your problem is that you see things in black and white technology. Wake up, man. Color TV has been around for a long time now. Putin might be Comical Ali, but not a single word coming out of the mouths of Kerry and other western clowns can be taken seriously. It's amazing how you can't see that!
Same goes for Milosevic. He created the mess, but shouldn't you mention some other former Yugoslavian leaders too? Not to mention great mess-creating assistance from the West...

"They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
According to him, "such Russian behavior" has not met with the West's adequate response.
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LOL! Russian behaviour? Sounds very much like US and Western behaviour. This is just the way it is. Most of the world is sick of the US and Western governments making a complete mess of this world while continually encroaching on Russia's border with regime change and the expansion of NATO.

Russia, China and most of the world have pretty much drawn their lines and have said enough is enough. The resistance has started and Putin is leading the way.

Francis, the talking mule, braying before a drove of jackasses over the United States of Windbags losing control in Europe.
"And they have been persisting in their misrepresentations - lies .......” overt and extensive propaganda exercise"
This is absolutely priceless calling others liars eh? What a laugh. Well Francis, you should borrow more money and then you too can out do the Russians in propaganda. It’s only an application for another couple of hundred billion from Bejing.

“extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the Cold War."

Just few years ago almost nobody was taking Russia serious. Nobody paid any attention even to the Munich speech of Mr. Putin now available only in the Russian Wikipedia. Then all of a sudden they found out that Russia has got a point of it own over any issue in the suburbs. More than that they discovered that Russia got a second strong army. Then for year Russia demonstrate stubbornness over economic issues. Now they learned that Russia can also defend on the psaking-propaganda fields. Mr. Cohen-Kerry says that RTTV is stronger than CNN/Fox … Well well , let’s see what’s next.

PARISSON

“only some simple minds believe that propaganda and takes the RT TV 'reports' seriously. For me Putin becomes more and more a Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?


1/ Putin’s biggest problem must be something else but his rating in your comical eyes.
2/ RTTV with 25% share is number 1 in UK so how many simple minded live in this country ?
3/ As for your erudition we ( “simple minds”) admire your erudition (“Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?”) but knew only the late Chemical Ali and (unlike you) he gave us no reasons to call him comical.


P.S. I still enjoy you wiping tears with your own pants.

Bob, who's sucker are you?

Serbia has pre-pedjudice in favour of Russia.

With a mentality geared towards the orthodox church etc. this is not surprising.

However, Serbia was a sucker for the Milosevic propaganda and is now something of a sucker for Putin's.

Kerry states: "They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
I say, isn't that exactly was the USA is doing day in, and day out, globally?

What a hell is this , and why is posted by b92 since this is English site!? Please, get rid of this crap.
(the truth, 25 February 2015 15:31)
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I keep telling you Albanians to go to your own site. You will have the freedom to bag us as much as you like and all in Albanian if you wish. We won't be able to understand it even if we were to go there and look.
The US is the biggest trouble maker and Islamic supporter which has cost the world millions of lives and they point a finger at Russia?
It will be Russia who will save Europe from Islamic fundamentalism not the US so the less influence they have there the better.
This guys sounds like Jim Jones from Jonestown, expecting everyone to commit mass suicide by following his doctrine.

He also told the subcommittee it was Russia that "engaged in a rather remarkable period of the most overt and extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the Cold War."

Yes, it's a problem, but only some simple minds believe that propaganda and takes the RT TV 'reports' seriously. For me Putin becomes more and more a Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?

I think it's primarily for domestic consumption, it's the good old method: When incompetent state leaders have internal problems, they start trouble outside to draw attention away - nothing can (forcefully) unite a population more than a common enemy. And everyone who not agrees with Putin and his nationalist, autocratic, expansionist and revanchist politics is a 'traitor' or 'enemy of the state'. Worked under Milosevic, too, until the Serbs realized the mess he crated (some still don't nowaday, unfortunately)

Да се обединиме браќа Православци оти тешко ни се пишува!

What I find funny is that B92 and Tanjug are able to peek into what John Kerry said in front of one subcommittee on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, but are not able to find out what Tony Blair said in the middle of the day in Belgrade. Talk about transparency LOL.

Да се обединиме браќа Православци оти тешко ни се пишува!
(Александар Македонски, 25 February 2015 14:20)
What a hell is this , and why is posted by b92 since this is English site!? Please, get rid of this crap.

Kerry is an other geci. There is Orbángeci, Putingeci, now we have Kerrygeci. The life is tough, to much geci. I would say... a geci tidal wave.

Seriously - he is mentally ill. Because... there live somewhat more Russians in Transdnistria alone than Americans in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova and Baltics combined.

But maybe he knows better. Monkey.

I can not believe Serb people call themselves European and Christians.
With few exceptions, most of Serbs in this site have eastern ruso-asian mentality and their behavior certainly is not Christian.

Unfortunately as long as Ari Golds,Peggys,Ratkos,Pauls and other extremist Serbs are still the majority of people in Serbia, her future is murky.

I have an advice for Serbian people:
Go to the West!
Some people here are mentioning Greece.
Greece's living standards in the midst of recession is 10-20 times higher than Russia and China.
Just think about this, when you advocate becoming like Russia and China.

Greece's living standards in the midst of recession is 10-20 times higher than Russia and China. Just think about this, when you advocate becoming like Russia and China. (Orthodox Albanian)


None of the states that had joined EU started to live better including Greece. EU attracts new members not to make their lives better but to rob them and every newcomer receives terms worse than the previous one. This is why after 20 years all 3 Baltic Nazi states still live in poverty and same is with Bulgaria or Romania. For political reasons Czechoslovakia , Hungary and Poland received more or less good membership terms but in the end they lost 20% of their youth cleaning the English toilets now.

What I really liked in your post was that you ALBANIAN and very likely a CATHOLIC dared to speak with the Orthodox Serbs and the Russians on behalf of Europe ! Thank you it was the second good joke of the day ! The first one belong to your brother-in-arms Leonard who made routes for the Russian gas through the Balkans. He believes he knows it better than Gazprom.

HYPOCRIT !.

Arn.Sweden.

Talking of propganda, the British Priminister himself says:


“I think we need to do more, frankly, in the area of information. One of the complaints we get from the Baltic states is there is nothing to counter the deluge of Russian-paid and backed media spreading disinformation,” he said.

“We have got to recognise one of the strengths we have got as a country – although we don’t always necessarily see it this way – is that we have a very strong and impartial media, we have a wonderful brand in the BBC, known for its impartial views. We should be supporting the BBC to provide news services and news channels where people otherwise are getting a diet of Russian disinformation.” …

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/24/britain-to-send-military-advisers-to-ukraine-cameron

Exactly! While in the past they did not take seriously his speeches, today they don't take seriously even what he says in official talks. And that is hardly suprising when Putin tries to tell to Merkel the same stuff that only people like rote would believe :)
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:29)

CTC thinks that the west can print money ad nausea with no consequences and thus they can print and print because they have freedom and democracy on their side. Talk about simpletons!!!
Since the CTC is the best goat herder in Kosova it must also be the advisor to the local government.

P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

(Orthodox Albanian, 26 February 2015 00:03)

I hate people who identify themselves as Orthodox Albanian because they tend to be the opposite. I suggest that you go to China and see for yourself before making any stupid comments. Today there are 420 million middle class in China. How many live in the US again???? 320 million!!!!!

I think is dangerous being the "girlfriend" of one stong "Boss"..., because you're the first that will be "burned" by his enemies....,or by hemself is you betray...
The "cold war" is already here....
Take care to not finish like Greece...
Good Luck!!!

In the Cross Fire! Yes, the influence the USA left on Serbia 15 years ago is also remarkable! I really don't understand Serbia even though I am 100 per cent Serbian. I for all my life can not really understand why Serbian people want to please the ones who want to cut their heads off! Why does Serbia look to the USA today? Is it not enough what happened 15 years ago? Serbia is only setting it self up for the next Eastern Orthodox holocost by continuing to intertain Satan.

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:22)
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Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened. It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.

"None of the states that had joined EU started to live better including Greece. EU attracts new members not to make their lives better but to rob them and every newcomer receives terms worse than the previous one"

Apparently people that are paid to know disagree with you.

http://www.voxeu.org/article/how-poorer-nations-benefit-eu-membership

I do not understand how anyone in Serbia believes that Russia and Putin give two cents about Serbia. He cares for his agenda and plays our friend only so he can have strong presence in Balkans. He is supposed to run democratic country and so why go to Ukraina. It is same what Milosevic did to us. Push us into war with our former neighbors and what is outcome? Slovenia and Croatia part of EU, and we in Serbia in deep economic troubles and unhappy citizens, young people can't get jobs, problems everywhere and everybody only complaining, waiting for Putin and Russia or Chinese to come with money. And the only thing that will happen is tha young Serbian people will be servants to them. We need to stop believing farce and start working and being positive. If not another 10 years and another 20% unemployment will pass.

And the only thing that will happen is tha young Serbian people will be servants to them. We need to stop believing farce and start working and being positive. If not another 10 years and another 20% unemployment will pass.
(Boro, 26 February 2015 20:44
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And the alternative would be?
Being servants to Eurocrats who have even less soul than our Russian brothters and sisters.
Putin might be all about business but the Russian people are our kin and have and will always have warm feelings toward us. The west has cheered while we got bombed by them. When was the last time Russia bombed us?
On the contrary it was Russians who volunteered to fight with us side by side during the 90s.
Maybe you should engage your brain before you speak.

I know about Enver regime and how it was but there was no guilt of the USSR. I feel compassion for any Orthodox Albanian .. To say nothing of the coward way you seized KIM.
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(rote, ..
Who is blaming Russia for self isolation of Albania?
Russia is to blame for crushing Hungarian Revolution in 1956 for other atrocities they did in Eastern block.
I am blaming Russia today for stirring waters in Balkan when all Balkan countries are trying to move to West.

...Best if next time before you say something against the Serbs and the Russians you have a good look into the mirror...

I have nothing to be ashamed by being Orthodox Albanian.
My ancestor Teodor Muzaka and his men fought and died in the Battle for Kosovo in 1389.Where was Russia at that time?
My ancestor George Castrioti fought against ottomans for 35 years thus saving the West. Go to the western European capitals, all of them have Scanderbeg Square or his statues.
BTW I challenge narrow minded Serbians like Peggy and others to go in Belgrade and visit Kalemegdan and they will see a Muslim grave called turbe,where Albanians such as Damat Ali Pasha and Tepedelenli Selim were killed to protect Serbs for ottoman terror in 1804.
As for KIM it belongs to Albanians because they were its inhabitants before Serbs.
They used to be Christians and now they are mostly Muslim.
Serbian society need to go through the de-Nazi program similar to Germans after WWII otherwise they will repeat 1990s.

Hi Beth

Not Putin's!

I also had Milosevic marked out as a baddy despite the support he got from a few rabid nationalists at the time.

Bob and comparison are the same guy, ignore him as he only posts anti Russian, anti Serbian defense (yet ukraine is allowed to defend themselves??) and anti orthodox posts.

Anyways here is a short video on American democracy lol
http://youtu.be/JztKLrIXdaQ

It will be Russia who will save Europe
(Peggy, 25 February 2015 23:03)

Oh dear... crumbling Russia cannot save itsef, let alone save others :)

@rote and sj

When my ancestors hosted apostle Paul and embrace Christianity, yours were somewhere in Russia hunting bears.

But let's put this personal nonsense aside.

Greece's income per capita is 22 thousand $ per capita.
Estonia's GDP per capita is 20 thousand $
Poland's GDP per capita is 16 thousands $.
Rusia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand and China's is 10 thousands.

Going toward Russia and China is suicide for all European countries.

Facts are facts.

Albanian

“Greece's income per capita is 22 thousand $ per capita.
Estonia's GDP per capita is 20 thousand $
Poland's GDP per capita is 16 thousands $.
Rusia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand and China's is 10 thousands.“


1/ Financial year starts on March 1 so the last official GDP figures availiable are for perion of 01.03.13 – 01.03.14. In this period Russian per capita GDP was USD 24 298. It was N46 per capita GDP in the world. So I have to tell you in Russian – НЕ НАДО ЗДЕСЬ ПИЗДЕТЬ !

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%FF
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

2/ Why did you stop the listing on the Russia and China ? What about the small Albania and KIM ? Don't be shy ! In the same period of 01.03.13 – 01.03.14. per capita GDP of Albania was USD 8 000 ( N115) while in KIM it must be ever worse as tens of thousands of the desperate people abandon this beautiful land. Serbia gives no figures about this temporarily occupied province so please help us with the GDPs of the two Albanian enclaves mentioned. In the end don’t forget to explain the catastrophic situation with Putin’s insinuations and undermines.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%B8_%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%8F

Facts are facts.

Albanian Orthodox- The Serbs and the Russians have spoken. Therefore you are no longer an Orthodox. Don't worry though they are really devout believers, and as such they know the Serb and Russian Orthodox bible has strict quotas on who can be considered to be Orthodox, based on nationality. You don't know this because we didn't translate that part in our Albanian Orthodox bible. Therefore you are not Orthodox. Sorry to inform you of this. Now do as they say or they will hate it if you say you are Orthodox and Albanian.

Orthodox Albanian

I am sorry because it wasn’t your post that I commented. In fact the post was by someone “Joni“ and it changes much. Anyway in your last feedback you put Russia and the USA in one boat. Never do it again because even if boiled together our fat will not be united. They mean the world power while we only seek for justice and peace. Sometimes we have to fight for it and many of the US back vocals will gain much if we succeed. What I agree is that the Balkans is one big boat where you cannot be safe if your neighbor feels discomfort. Only one state is interested in the contradictions to be increased here, but we can do nothing about it. They blow up twnin skyscapers , without a wink they launch wars , they organize massacres and revolts , they buy elites ect. I would give Obama one more Nobel Peace Prize only because he has not started a new war ... yet ! Every US President should automatically have this Nobel Prize on his innaguration and another such Prize in the end of the term if only he kills his temptation to destroy some of the countries. Good Luck and be both a good Albanian and a good Christian !


ps KIM - KiM

My ancestor Teodor Muzaka and his men fought and died in the Battle for Kosovo in 1389.Where was Russia at that time? My ancestor George Castrioti fought against ottomans for 35 years thus saving the West.

1/ I can tell you where the Russians were in 1389. They fought on the Kosovo Pole and they fought on both sides. Even the Wikipedia shows that both sides were composed of the Christians only. At that time there were no Rome and Vatican so all were the Orthodox. This was the 3-rd great battle of the civil war inside the Great Horde. To be exact it was a war between the White Horde of Dmitry (Donskoy) and the Golden Horde of Tamerlane. Greater part on both sides were the Russians including the Serbs , Bulgars , Macedonians ect. But because the Horde always was a multinational power many other peoples took part on both sides with the Caucasians and the Albanians among them.

2/ In two previous battles near Astrakhan and Moscow (Kulikovo Pole) Dmitry took the upper hand. He devastated Tamerlane’s lands along Volga and South of current Russia. But from Kosovo both sides retreated because Dmitry was killed while most likely Tamerlane didn’t mean it. Because it was too far from Veliki Novgorod a Trebizond archbishop made the liturgy. Dmitry Donskoy was the Khan of the whole world while Tamerlane was only the Voivode (Ataman) who seized power in one of the provinces (Golden Horde) of the Great Horde. So he let the power be passed to Dmitry’s son Vasily.

3/ tomorrow.

Orthodox Albanian


3/ Scaliger/Petavius history used many tricks for falsification. Not only they played with the dates but also they changed the names. Concerning the Ottomans they mostly used names from Arab sources. So Dmitry Donskoy became Murad-I while his son Vasily became Bayazed-I ect. Strange was the outcome of the battle. They say that the “Serbs” lost the battle but they kept the territory and the “turks” retreated without reparations. Also the behavior of some of the “Serbian” princes looks strange. Some of them fought on the “Serbian” side and there’s no info about some others. All because there were no Turks and Serbs there. It was a inter-Russian battle on both sides and some of the Serbs, Albanians ect. fought on one Russian side and the others fought on the second Russian side.

4/ There are thousands of documents about the Crusaders period and in none of them you will find words like "Muslims" or "Islam" because before 16 century there was no Islam and no Muslims. And in 1389 there was no word "Turk". It appeared for the Golden Horde army that formed the Christian Ottoman (Ataman,Osman) Empire after Tsar-Grad was seized in 1453. Russian Tamerlane’s capital was not in Samarkand but on the Balkans - either in Tirana or Tiraspol that later gave name to the Turks. Many nations received their names after geographical names or names of their military commanders. Russians = Россеяне means dissipated or dispersed all over the land.

5/ wait !

I belive in one GOD, and i think th Christianity, muslimanity and orthodoxy are part of different culture... God is one. (Joni)

None of them believes in two or more Gods so you have nobody to conflict with. Besides initially Islam existed as a legal (Nestorian) branch/sect inside the Orthodox Christianity. It lasted since 12 till 16 centuries when the split became big enough to declare of the new religion. None of the Muslim saint books (Quran, Sunnah, Tafsir) contains any dates. So the question is who was to appoint the date of Hijra for 622 ? It was Joseph Scaliger who with zero facts also appointed all the false dates for the Christians in late 16 century. So de-codification of history of religions is a problem but all of them believe in one God the Merciful and the Compassionate ! It is almost ONE culture and even the Muslims are allowed to pray in the Churches if there are no mosques around and if the Christians do not mind it. Besides initially all 100% of the Albanians were Orthodox Christians just because then there were no Muslims or Catholics.



Keep it to yourself.(Please don't)

I will because this is the way I fight the darkness and ignorance ! But if you believe in the BS we are offered you are free to believe. And If you doubt something ask me for details or some proof. It’s up to you.

Of course, when Russia changes behaviour. (icj1)

IF IT HAPPENS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO REGRET !

Informer snowden gives you all that is needed to see its all a bunch off lies one way or the other anyway gheheghe

void GeciTest(bool geci, void *politician)
{
if (politician != NULL)
{
try (geci)
{
printf ("as expected, he is a geci\n");
return;
}
catch (exception ex)
{
printf ("an exception, gee, a politician or lawyer who is not a geci?\n");
PanicNow();
}
}
}


GeciTest(true, &Kerry);
GeciTest(true, &Orban);
GeciTest(true, &Putin);
GeciTest(true, &Thaci);
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Russia, China and most of the world have pretty much drawn their lines and have said enough is enough. The resistance has started and Putin is leading the way.
(Zoran, 25 February 2015 15:34)

Not sure whom Putin is leading!!! Perhaps himself and a certain Zoran lol

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

Just few years ago almost nobody was taking Russia serious. Nobody paid any attention even to the Munich speech of Mr. Putin now available only in the Russian Wikipedia.
(RK, 25 February 2015 11:46)

Exactly! While in the past they did not take seriously his speeches, today they don't take seriously even what he says in official talks. And that is hardly suprising when Putin tries to tell to Merkel the same stuff that only people like rote would believe :)

Today there are 420 million middle class in China. How many live in the US again???? 320 million!!!!!
(sj, 26 February 2015 13:03)
420 wow such an increase, only a couple of months ago you were boasting there were 300 million Chinese in middle class. As compared to the total population of the US, really cannot understand the comparison.
You do realize that 300-420 million middle class in China means close to 1 billion are left in poverty don't you? That is 3/4 of the population, what are the figures you boast for the US that live at or below the poverty level, 100 million which would be between 25-30% of the people.

Also the middle class in China would live in a 700sq ft apartment(my bedroom is 410 sq ft) would not own a car but use public transportation.

(rote, 26 February 2015 22:36)
You are talking about Albania...O yes, let's talk..
Albania has passed the most "foully" dictactorial regime in Europe. Has had for 30-40 years of sanctions by all..US, Russia, China too.. You even don't know what the sanctions means. Was the most isolated country in the Eu..., proud to not be nobody "puppets"..
And where we are now???
In the same "level" with you, or better i think, even although we have "started" 40 years behaind you...
I'm sure that the destruction of Albania never come from Albanians...
I just want to say be carefuly to not ungry the "Godfathers" of the f... "world"..because they have no scruples to destroy a nation, just for the ire of the other...

"Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened. It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25) "

"On the contrary it was Russians who volunteered to fight with us side by side during the 90s.
Maybe you should engage your brain before you speak.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:20)"

Hence all the Russian Air Defense Units and Russian Tactical Aircraft that helped defend Serbia during the air campaign in 1999.......oh....wait a minute....

Orthodox Albanian

(rote, 26 February 2015 22:36) You are talking about Albania...O yes, let's talk..

It was you who started the talk about while Russia has nothing to be ashamed for. So I just went on with your logic. If you were a Swiss or a Dutch you could speak about GDP but when an Albanian does it I stop to be reasonable. Russia is the richest state in the world and we are to BETTER use the gifts that the God made us. I know about Enver regime and how it was but there was no guilt of the USSR. The self-isolation was the Albanian choice and you cannot blame Putin who wasn’t even born when it all started.

I feel compassion for any Orthodox Albanian who has to live between his nation and his belief. But you must not seek for further confrontation with your provocative feedbacks. Best if next time before you say something against the Serbs and the Russians you have a good look into the mirror. Ask yourself if you have moral rights for the critics or advice. I have no phobias against the Albanians but I disapprove most things your people do all over the continent. To say nothing of the coward way you seized KIM.
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pss, 26 February 2015 20:03)
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You need to travel. Go to China and see for yourself. It just might open your eyes to a few things.
By the way the apartments in Japan are not much bigger and look where that country sits in the economic pecking order.

Kerry states: "They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
I say, isn't that exactly was the USA is doing day in, and day out, globally?
(Dragan, Toronto, 25 February 2015 20:24)

Of course not. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the USA has collapsed and run out of cash so it's obvious, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, that the US is not doing that.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(rote, 27 February 2015 11:28)

I think you even don't understand the meaning of what i have talked about....
I don't blame nobody, for what the communist regime have done to us, i'm talking for the years after...
My dear "Balkans" Albania and Serbia are in the same "boat"...
Russia and US are in another one, and their boat does not sink easily...
Them both need wars...
And that scare to me to much...
KIM - ??? What is this???

"3/ tomorrow.
(rote, 27 February 2015 23:22) "

Keep it to yourself. No one else is interested.

Orthodox Albanian

Where did ever measure the % of muslimans, orthodoxs and cristians in Albania?? By supposing "normaly" i can tell you that:
The north ...mostly is catholic...
The south ... mostly is orthodox...
A large part is atheist...
In midle Albania there are to munch muslumans "Bektashi" -( one of most moderated form), the rest is minorance...
I belive in one GOD, and i think th Christianity, muslimanity and orthodoxy are part of different culture... God is one...(all the rest are political parties )

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:22)
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Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

Of course. But what does that have anything to do with what I said?! I said "do not support"; I did not say that "China has put sanctions on Russia" !!!

The fact remains that China has said that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine. That's obviously not a suprise given that China and the Soviet Union fought a war 46 years ago for territories and China would not want Russia to say at some point in the future that there are Russians being threatened in some part of China, send the Russian soldiers there, organize a "referendum" and annex that part of China. Russia is China's biggest threat because 1. it is erratic and unpredicatble since one man decides everything in Russia and what Russia does depends on his mood when he wakes up in the morning, and 2. Russia is next door whereas the US is far away.
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It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

And they bave not stopped their trading with the EU or US. So what's your point regarding Ukraine?!

In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

Of course, when Russia changes behaviour.

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You need to travel. Go to China and see for yourself. It just might open your eyes to a few things.
By the way the apartments in Japan are not much bigger and look where that country sits in the economic pecking order.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:23)
I do plan to go to China in the next two years.
But I do have a story, my daughter runs a company that sells specialty products and I was wanting a specific lapel pin to give to some associates, so I gave her a design and wanted to order 400 pins but I needed them quickly as I was leaving on a trip. She phoned the company in China that handles such orders and asked if they could fit the time restraints and the point person replied it was not problem as the workers lived at the factory. That set off many alarms in my head.
By the way they were able to take the design create the molds and make the pins and ship them to me and had them on my door step within 7 days.
That part was impressive but I still wonder about the workers.
But do you dispute what I said? That if there are 300-420 million that you classify as middle class(when I researched it I found that the Chinese do not use that distinction) then that leaves close to a billion that are left in the lower class or poverty level.

(pss, 2 March 2015 13:12)
China is not the US. Yes their workers do live onsite because most are from rural areas. These people can earn 10 times in factories what they could on the land. On say Chinese New Year millions leave the cities to return home to spend time with family. Don’t try and compare apples with pears.
What you have to look at is the financial state of China. It has a 10 trillion dollar economy and rising fast. It’s is now the No1 world economy. It has 4 trillion in reserves. It has a gold reserve second to none.
The 350 million figures has been used by Beijing (unofficially) for a decade and it now claims its 420 million. The Chinese officials don’t like to use the terms middle class or wealthy since they are still theoretically communist, and they don’t admit officially to having billionaires but they do and plenty of them too. Its economy is built on solid ground while the US is on stilts. Just prior to the GFC the US economy was 12 trillion but today it’s 16 trillion. How in heaven can it increased so quickly when you have not recovered from 2008? 80% of US economy is consumerism so it means that all the rest is printed money. One big push and it will falls over.

Serbia has pre-pedjudice in favour of Russia.

With a mentality geared towards the orthodox church etc. this is not surprising.

However, Serbia was a sucker for the Milosevic propaganda and is now something of a sucker for Putin's.

He also told the subcommittee it was Russia that "engaged in a rather remarkable period of the most overt and extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the Cold War."

Yes, it's a problem, but only some simple minds believe that propaganda and takes the RT TV 'reports' seriously. For me Putin becomes more and more a Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?

I think it's primarily for domestic consumption, it's the good old method: When incompetent state leaders have internal problems, they start trouble outside to draw attention away - nothing can (forcefully) unite a population more than a common enemy. And everyone who not agrees with Putin and his nationalist, autocratic, expansionist and revanchist politics is a 'traitor' or 'enemy of the state'. Worked under Milosevic, too, until the Serbs realized the mess he crated (some still don't nowaday, unfortunately)

Да се обединиме браќа Православци оти тешко ни се пишува!
(Александар Македонски, 25 February 2015 14:20)
What a hell is this , and why is posted by b92 since this is English site!? Please, get rid of this crap.

I can not believe Serb people call themselves European and Christians.
With few exceptions, most of Serbs in this site have eastern ruso-asian mentality and their behavior certainly is not Christian.

Unfortunately as long as Ari Golds,Peggys,Ratkos,Pauls and other extremist Serbs are still the majority of people in Serbia, her future is murky.

I have an advice for Serbian people:
Go to the West!
Some people here are mentioning Greece.
Greece's living standards in the midst of recession is 10-20 times higher than Russia and China.
Just think about this, when you advocate becoming like Russia and China.

Francis, the talking mule, braying before a drove of jackasses over the United States of Windbags losing control in Europe.
"And they have been persisting in their misrepresentations - lies .......” overt and extensive propaganda exercise"
This is absolutely priceless calling others liars eh? What a laugh. Well Francis, you should borrow more money and then you too can out do the Russians in propaganda. It’s only an application for another couple of hundred billion from Bejing.

I think is dangerous being the "girlfriend" of one stong "Boss"..., because you're the first that will be "burned" by his enemies....,or by hemself is you betray...
The "cold war" is already here....
Take care to not finish like Greece...
Good Luck!!!

Comm. Parrisson,
Your problem is that you see things in black and white technology. Wake up, man. Color TV has been around for a long time now. Putin might be Comical Ali, but not a single word coming out of the mouths of Kerry and other western clowns can be taken seriously. It's amazing how you can't see that!
Same goes for Milosevic. He created the mess, but shouldn't you mention some other former Yugoslavian leaders too? Not to mention great mess-creating assistance from the West...

Talking of propganda, the British Priminister himself says:


“I think we need to do more, frankly, in the area of information. One of the complaints we get from the Baltic states is there is nothing to counter the deluge of Russian-paid and backed media spreading disinformation,” he said.

“We have got to recognise one of the strengths we have got as a country – although we don’t always necessarily see it this way – is that we have a very strong and impartial media, we have a wonderful brand in the BBC, known for its impartial views. We should be supporting the BBC to provide news services and news channels where people otherwise are getting a diet of Russian disinformation.” …

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/24/britain-to-send-military-advisers-to-ukraine-cameron

“extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the Cold War."

Just few years ago almost nobody was taking Russia serious. Nobody paid any attention even to the Munich speech of Mr. Putin now available only in the Russian Wikipedia. Then all of a sudden they found out that Russia has got a point of it own over any issue in the suburbs. More than that they discovered that Russia got a second strong army. Then for year Russia demonstrate stubbornness over economic issues. Now they learned that Russia can also defend on the psaking-propaganda fields. Mr. Cohen-Kerry says that RTTV is stronger than CNN/Fox … Well well , let’s see what’s next.

"They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
According to him, "such Russian behavior" has not met with the West's adequate response.
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LOL! Russian behaviour? Sounds very much like US and Western behaviour. This is just the way it is. Most of the world is sick of the US and Western governments making a complete mess of this world while continually encroaching on Russia's border with regime change and the expansion of NATO.

Russia, China and most of the world have pretty much drawn their lines and have said enough is enough. The resistance has started and Putin is leading the way.

PARISSON

“only some simple minds believe that propaganda and takes the RT TV 'reports' seriously. For me Putin becomes more and more a Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?


1/ Putin’s biggest problem must be something else but his rating in your comical eyes.
2/ RTTV with 25% share is number 1 in UK so how many simple minded live in this country ?
3/ As for your erudition we ( “simple minds”) admire your erudition (“Comical Ali, remember this guy from Iraq?”) but knew only the late Chemical Ali and (unlike you) he gave us no reasons to call him comical.


P.S. I still enjoy you wiping tears with your own pants.

Hi Beth

Not Putin's!

I also had Milosevic marked out as a baddy despite the support he got from a few rabid nationalists at the time.

Just few years ago almost nobody was taking Russia serious. Nobody paid any attention even to the Munich speech of Mr. Putin now available only in the Russian Wikipedia.
(RK, 25 February 2015 11:46)

Exactly! While in the past they did not take seriously his speeches, today they don't take seriously even what he says in official talks. And that is hardly suprising when Putin tries to tell to Merkel the same stuff that only people like rote would believe :)

Bob, who's sucker are you?

void GeciTest(bool geci, void *politician)
{
if (politician != NULL)
{
try (geci)
{
printf ("as expected, he is a geci\n");
return;
}
catch (exception ex)
{
printf ("an exception, gee, a politician or lawyer who is not a geci?\n");
PanicNow();
}
}
}


GeciTest(true, &Kerry);
GeciTest(true, &Orban);
GeciTest(true, &Putin);
GeciTest(true, &Thaci);
.
.
.
.
.

What a hell is this , and why is posted by b92 since this is English site!? Please, get rid of this crap.
(the truth, 25 February 2015 15:31)
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I keep telling you Albanians to go to your own site. You will have the freedom to bag us as much as you like and all in Albanian if you wish. We won't be able to understand it even if we were to go there and look.
The US is the biggest trouble maker and Islamic supporter which has cost the world millions of lives and they point a finger at Russia?
It will be Russia who will save Europe from Islamic fundamentalism not the US so the less influence they have there the better.
This guys sounds like Jim Jones from Jonestown, expecting everyone to commit mass suicide by following his doctrine.

Russia, China and most of the world have pretty much drawn their lines and have said enough is enough. The resistance has started and Putin is leading the way.
(Zoran, 25 February 2015 15:34)

Not sure whom Putin is leading!!! Perhaps himself and a certain Zoran lol

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

@rote and sj

When my ancestors hosted apostle Paul and embrace Christianity, yours were somewhere in Russia hunting bears.

But let's put this personal nonsense aside.

Greece's income per capita is 22 thousand $ per capita.
Estonia's GDP per capita is 20 thousand $
Poland's GDP per capita is 16 thousands $.
Rusia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand and China's is 10 thousands.

Going toward Russia and China is suicide for all European countries.

Facts are facts.

Да се обединиме браќа Православци оти тешко ни се пишува!

It will be Russia who will save Europe
(Peggy, 25 February 2015 23:03)

Oh dear... crumbling Russia cannot save itsef, let alone save others :)

Kerry states: "They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
I say, isn't that exactly was the USA is doing day in, and day out, globally?
(Dragan, Toronto, 25 February 2015 20:24)

Of course not. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the USA has collapsed and run out of cash so it's obvious, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, that the US is not doing that.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(Orthodox Albanian, 26 February 2015 00:03)

I hate people who identify themselves as Orthodox Albanian because they tend to be the opposite. I suggest that you go to China and see for yourself before making any stupid comments. Today there are 420 million middle class in China. How many live in the US again???? 320 million!!!!!

I do not understand how anyone in Serbia believes that Russia and Putin give two cents about Serbia. He cares for his agenda and plays our friend only so he can have strong presence in Balkans. He is supposed to run democratic country and so why go to Ukraina. It is same what Milosevic did to us. Push us into war with our former neighbors and what is outcome? Slovenia and Croatia part of EU, and we in Serbia in deep economic troubles and unhappy citizens, young people can't get jobs, problems everywhere and everybody only complaining, waiting for Putin and Russia or Chinese to come with money. And the only thing that will happen is tha young Serbian people will be servants to them. We need to stop believing farce and start working and being positive. If not another 10 years and another 20% unemployment will pass.

I know about Enver regime and how it was but there was no guilt of the USSR. I feel compassion for any Orthodox Albanian .. To say nothing of the coward way you seized KIM.
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(rote, ..
Who is blaming Russia for self isolation of Albania?
Russia is to blame for crushing Hungarian Revolution in 1956 for other atrocities they did in Eastern block.
I am blaming Russia today for stirring waters in Balkan when all Balkan countries are trying to move to West.

...Best if next time before you say something against the Serbs and the Russians you have a good look into the mirror...

I have nothing to be ashamed by being Orthodox Albanian.
My ancestor Teodor Muzaka and his men fought and died in the Battle for Kosovo in 1389.Where was Russia at that time?
My ancestor George Castrioti fought against ottomans for 35 years thus saving the West. Go to the western European capitals, all of them have Scanderbeg Square or his statues.
BTW I challenge narrow minded Serbians like Peggy and others to go in Belgrade and visit Kalemegdan and they will see a Muslim grave called turbe,where Albanians such as Damat Ali Pasha and Tepedelenli Selim were killed to protect Serbs for ottoman terror in 1804.
As for KIM it belongs to Albanians because they were its inhabitants before Serbs.
They used to be Christians and now they are mostly Muslim.
Serbian society need to go through the de-Nazi program similar to Germans after WWII otherwise they will repeat 1990s.

Informer snowden gives you all that is needed to see its all a bunch off lies one way or the other anyway gheheghe

Kerry states: "They buy the media, pay off public servants, or intimidate those they cannot buy."
I say, isn't that exactly was the USA is doing day in, and day out, globally?

Kerry is an other geci. There is Orbángeci, Putingeci, now we have Kerrygeci. The life is tough, to much geci. I would say... a geci tidal wave.

Seriously - he is mentally ill. Because... there live somewhat more Russians in Transdnistria alone than Americans in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova and Baltics combined.

But maybe he knows better. Monkey.

"3/ tomorrow.
(rote, 27 February 2015 23:22) "

Keep it to yourself. No one else is interested.

Orthodox Albanian

Where did ever measure the % of muslimans, orthodoxs and cristians in Albania?? By supposing "normaly" i can tell you that:
The north ...mostly is catholic...
The south ... mostly is orthodox...
A large part is atheist...
In midle Albania there are to munch muslumans "Bektashi" -( one of most moderated form), the rest is minorance...
I belive in one GOD, and i think th Christianity, muslimanity and orthodoxy are part of different culture... God is one...(all the rest are political parties )

HYPOCRIT !.

Arn.Sweden.

Greece's living standards in the midst of recession is 10-20 times higher than Russia and China. Just think about this, when you advocate becoming like Russia and China. (Orthodox Albanian)


None of the states that had joined EU started to live better including Greece. EU attracts new members not to make their lives better but to rob them and every newcomer receives terms worse than the previous one. This is why after 20 years all 3 Baltic Nazi states still live in poverty and same is with Bulgaria or Romania. For political reasons Czechoslovakia , Hungary and Poland received more or less good membership terms but in the end they lost 20% of their youth cleaning the English toilets now.

What I really liked in your post was that you ALBANIAN and very likely a CATHOLIC dared to speak with the Orthodox Serbs and the Russians on behalf of Europe ! Thank you it was the second good joke of the day ! The first one belong to your brother-in-arms Leonard who made routes for the Russian gas through the Balkans. He believes he knows it better than Gazprom.

Exactly! While in the past they did not take seriously his speeches, today they don't take seriously even what he says in official talks. And that is hardly suprising when Putin tries to tell to Merkel the same stuff that only people like rote would believe :)
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:29)

CTC thinks that the west can print money ad nausea with no consequences and thus they can print and print because they have freedom and democracy on their side. Talk about simpletons!!!
Since the CTC is the best goat herder in Kosova it must also be the advisor to the local government.

P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

Today there are 420 million middle class in China. How many live in the US again???? 320 million!!!!!
(sj, 26 February 2015 13:03)
420 wow such an increase, only a couple of months ago you were boasting there were 300 million Chinese in middle class. As compared to the total population of the US, really cannot understand the comparison.
You do realize that 300-420 million middle class in China means close to 1 billion are left in poverty don't you? That is 3/4 of the population, what are the figures you boast for the US that live at or below the poverty level, 100 million which would be between 25-30% of the people.

Also the middle class in China would live in a 700sq ft apartment(my bedroom is 410 sq ft) would not own a car but use public transportation.

Albanian Orthodox- The Serbs and the Russians have spoken. Therefore you are no longer an Orthodox. Don't worry though they are really devout believers, and as such they know the Serb and Russian Orthodox bible has strict quotas on who can be considered to be Orthodox, based on nationality. You don't know this because we didn't translate that part in our Albanian Orthodox bible. Therefore you are not Orthodox. Sorry to inform you of this. Now do as they say or they will hate it if you say you are Orthodox and Albanian.

"Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened. It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25) "

"On the contrary it was Russians who volunteered to fight with us side by side during the 90s.
Maybe you should engage your brain before you speak.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:20)"

Hence all the Russian Air Defense Units and Russian Tactical Aircraft that helped defend Serbia during the air campaign in 1999.......oh....wait a minute....

My ancestor Teodor Muzaka and his men fought and died in the Battle for Kosovo in 1389.Where was Russia at that time? My ancestor George Castrioti fought against ottomans for 35 years thus saving the West.

1/ I can tell you where the Russians were in 1389. They fought on the Kosovo Pole and they fought on both sides. Even the Wikipedia shows that both sides were composed of the Christians only. At that time there were no Rome and Vatican so all were the Orthodox. This was the 3-rd great battle of the civil war inside the Great Horde. To be exact it was a war between the White Horde of Dmitry (Donskoy) and the Golden Horde of Tamerlane. Greater part on both sides were the Russians including the Serbs , Bulgars , Macedonians ect. But because the Horde always was a multinational power many other peoples took part on both sides with the Caucasians and the Albanians among them.

2/ In two previous battles near Astrakhan and Moscow (Kulikovo Pole) Dmitry took the upper hand. He devastated Tamerlane’s lands along Volga and South of current Russia. But from Kosovo both sides retreated because Dmitry was killed while most likely Tamerlane didn’t mean it. Because it was too far from Veliki Novgorod a Trebizond archbishop made the liturgy. Dmitry Donskoy was the Khan of the whole world while Tamerlane was only the Voivode (Ataman) who seized power in one of the provinces (Golden Horde) of the Great Horde. So he let the power be passed to Dmitry’s son Vasily.

3/ tomorrow.

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:22)
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Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

Of course. But what does that have anything to do with what I said?! I said "do not support"; I did not say that "China has put sanctions on Russia" !!!

The fact remains that China has said that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine. That's obviously not a suprise given that China and the Soviet Union fought a war 46 years ago for territories and China would not want Russia to say at some point in the future that there are Russians being threatened in some part of China, send the Russian soldiers there, organize a "referendum" and annex that part of China. Russia is China's biggest threat because 1. it is erratic and unpredicatble since one man decides everything in Russia and what Russia does depends on his mood when he wakes up in the morning, and 2. Russia is next door whereas the US is far away.
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It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

And they bave not stopped their trading with the EU or US. So what's your point regarding Ukraine?!

In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.
(Peggy, 26 February 2015 23:25)

Of course, when Russia changes behaviour.

I belive in one GOD, and i think th Christianity, muslimanity and orthodoxy are part of different culture... God is one. (Joni)

None of them believes in two or more Gods so you have nobody to conflict with. Besides initially Islam existed as a legal (Nestorian) branch/sect inside the Orthodox Christianity. It lasted since 12 till 16 centuries when the split became big enough to declare of the new religion. None of the Muslim saint books (Quran, Sunnah, Tafsir) contains any dates. So the question is who was to appoint the date of Hijra for 622 ? It was Joseph Scaliger who with zero facts also appointed all the false dates for the Christians in late 16 century. So de-codification of history of religions is a problem but all of them believe in one God the Merciful and the Compassionate ! It is almost ONE culture and even the Muslims are allowed to pray in the Churches if there are no mosques around and if the Christians do not mind it. Besides initially all 100% of the Albanians were Orthodox Christians just because then there were no Muslims or Catholics.



Keep it to yourself.(Please don't)

I will because this is the way I fight the darkness and ignorance ! But if you believe in the BS we are offered you are free to believe. And If you doubt something ask me for details or some proof. It’s up to you.

Of course, when Russia changes behaviour. (icj1)

IF IT HAPPENS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO REGRET !

What I find funny is that B92 and Tanjug are able to peek into what John Kerry said in front of one subcommittee on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, but are not able to find out what Tony Blair said in the middle of the day in Belgrade. Talk about transparency LOL.

Bob and comparison are the same guy, ignore him as he only posts anti Russian, anti Serbian defense (yet ukraine is allowed to defend themselves??) and anti orthodox posts.

Anyways here is a short video on American democracy lol
http://youtu.be/JztKLrIXdaQ

In the Cross Fire! Yes, the influence the USA left on Serbia 15 years ago is also remarkable! I really don't understand Serbia even though I am 100 per cent Serbian. I for all my life can not really understand why Serbian people want to please the ones who want to cut their heads off! Why does Serbia look to the USA today? Is it not enough what happened 15 years ago? Serbia is only setting it self up for the next Eastern Orthodox holocost by continuing to intertain Satan.

And the only thing that will happen is tha young Serbian people will be servants to them. We need to stop believing farce and start working and being positive. If not another 10 years and another 20% unemployment will pass.
(Boro, 26 February 2015 20:44
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And the alternative would be?
Being servants to Eurocrats who have even less soul than our Russian brothters and sisters.
Putin might be all about business but the Russian people are our kin and have and will always have warm feelings toward us. The west has cheered while we got bombed by them. When was the last time Russia bombed us?
On the contrary it was Russians who volunteered to fight with us side by side during the 90s.
Maybe you should engage your brain before you speak.

Most of the rest of the world, China included, do not support what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:22)
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Is that why China has put sanctions on Russia? Ooops, that hasn't happened. It's what a country does that matters, not what they say. BRICS have not stopped their trading with Russia and they won't.
In time Europe will have to resume their relations too.

(rote, 26 February 2015 22:36)
You are talking about Albania...O yes, let's talk..
Albania has passed the most "foully" dictactorial regime in Europe. Has had for 30-40 years of sanctions by all..US, Russia, China too.. You even don't know what the sanctions means. Was the most isolated country in the Eu..., proud to not be nobody "puppets"..
And where we are now???
In the same "level" with you, or better i think, even although we have "started" 40 years behaind you...
I'm sure that the destruction of Albania never come from Albanians...
I just want to say be carefuly to not ungry the "Godfathers" of the f... "world"..because they have no scruples to destroy a nation, just for the ire of the other...

Orthodox Albanian

(rote, 26 February 2015 22:36) You are talking about Albania...O yes, let's talk..

It was you who started the talk about while Russia has nothing to be ashamed for. So I just went on with your logic. If you were a Swiss or a Dutch you could speak about GDP but when an Albanian does it I stop to be reasonable. Russia is the richest state in the world and we are to BETTER use the gifts that the God made us. I know about Enver regime and how it was but there was no guilt of the USSR. The self-isolation was the Albanian choice and you cannot blame Putin who wasn’t even born when it all started.

I feel compassion for any Orthodox Albanian who has to live between his nation and his belief. But you must not seek for further confrontation with your provocative feedbacks. Best if next time before you say something against the Serbs and the Russians you have a good look into the mirror. Ask yourself if you have moral rights for the critics or advice. I have no phobias against the Albanians but I disapprove most things your people do all over the continent. To say nothing of the coward way you seized KIM.
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(rote, 27 February 2015 11:28)

I think you even don't understand the meaning of what i have talked about....
I don't blame nobody, for what the communist regime have done to us, i'm talking for the years after...
My dear "Balkans" Albania and Serbia are in the same "boat"...
Russia and US are in another one, and their boat does not sink easily...
Them both need wars...
And that scare to me to much...
KIM - ??? What is this???

Orthodox Albanian

I am sorry because it wasn’t your post that I commented. In fact the post was by someone “Joni“ and it changes much. Anyway in your last feedback you put Russia and the USA in one boat. Never do it again because even if boiled together our fat will not be united. They mean the world power while we only seek for justice and peace. Sometimes we have to fight for it and many of the US back vocals will gain much if we succeed. What I agree is that the Balkans is one big boat where you cannot be safe if your neighbor feels discomfort. Only one state is interested in the contradictions to be increased here, but we can do nothing about it. They blow up twnin skyscapers , without a wink they launch wars , they organize massacres and revolts , they buy elites ect. I would give Obama one more Nobel Peace Prize only because he has not started a new war ... yet ! Every US President should automatically have this Nobel Prize on his innaguration and another such Prize in the end of the term if only he kills his temptation to destroy some of the countries. Good Luck and be both a good Albanian and a good Christian !


ps KIM - KiM

Orthodox Albanian


3/ Scaliger/Petavius history used many tricks for falsification. Not only they played with the dates but also they changed the names. Concerning the Ottomans they mostly used names from Arab sources. So Dmitry Donskoy became Murad-I while his son Vasily became Bayazed-I ect. Strange was the outcome of the battle. They say that the “Serbs” lost the battle but they kept the territory and the “turks” retreated without reparations. Also the behavior of some of the “Serbian” princes looks strange. Some of them fought on the “Serbian” side and there’s no info about some others. All because there were no Turks and Serbs there. It was a inter-Russian battle on both sides and some of the Serbs, Albanians ect. fought on one Russian side and the others fought on the second Russian side.

4/ There are thousands of documents about the Crusaders period and in none of them you will find words like "Muslims" or "Islam" because before 16 century there was no Islam and no Muslims. And in 1389 there was no word "Turk". It appeared for the Golden Horde army that formed the Christian Ottoman (Ataman,Osman) Empire after Tsar-Grad was seized in 1453. Russian Tamerlane’s capital was not in Samarkand but on the Balkans - either in Tirana or Tiraspol that later gave name to the Turks. Many nations received their names after geographical names or names of their military commanders. Russians = Россеяне means dissipated or dispersed all over the land.

5/ wait !

pss, 26 February 2015 20:03)
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You need to travel. Go to China and see for yourself. It just might open your eyes to a few things.
By the way the apartments in Japan are not much bigger and look where that country sits in the economic pecking order.

"None of the states that had joined EU started to live better including Greece. EU attracts new members not to make their lives better but to rob them and every newcomer receives terms worse than the previous one"

Apparently people that are paid to know disagree with you.

http://www.voxeu.org/article/how-poorer-nations-benefit-eu-membership

Albanian

“Greece's income per capita is 22 thousand $ per capita.
Estonia's GDP per capita is 20 thousand $
Poland's GDP per capita is 16 thousands $.
Rusia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand and China's is 10 thousands.“


1/ Financial year starts on March 1 so the last official GDP figures availiable are for perion of 01.03.13 – 01.03.14. In this period Russian per capita GDP was USD 24 298. It was N46 per capita GDP in the world. So I have to tell you in Russian – НЕ НАДО ЗДЕСЬ ПИЗДЕТЬ !

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%FF
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

2/ Why did you stop the listing on the Russia and China ? What about the small Albania and KIM ? Don't be shy ! In the same period of 01.03.13 – 01.03.14. per capita GDP of Albania was USD 8 000 ( N115) while in KIM it must be ever worse as tens of thousands of the desperate people abandon this beautiful land. Serbia gives no figures about this temporarily occupied province so please help us with the GDPs of the two Albanian enclaves mentioned. In the end don’t forget to explain the catastrophic situation with Putin’s insinuations and undermines.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%B8_%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%8F

Facts are facts.

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You need to travel. Go to China and see for yourself. It just might open your eyes to a few things.
By the way the apartments in Japan are not much bigger and look where that country sits in the economic pecking order.
(sj, 2 March 2015 09:23)
I do plan to go to China in the next two years.
But I do have a story, my daughter runs a company that sells specialty products and I was wanting a specific lapel pin to give to some associates, so I gave her a design and wanted to order 400 pins but I needed them quickly as I was leaving on a trip. She phoned the company in China that handles such orders and asked if they could fit the time restraints and the point person replied it was not problem as the workers lived at the factory. That set off many alarms in my head.
By the way they were able to take the design create the molds and make the pins and ship them to me and had them on my door step within 7 days.
That part was impressive but I still wonder about the workers.
But do you dispute what I said? That if there are 300-420 million that you classify as middle class(when I researched it I found that the Chinese do not use that distinction) then that leaves close to a billion that are left in the lower class or poverty level.

(pss, 2 March 2015 13:12)
China is not the US. Yes their workers do live onsite because most are from rural areas. These people can earn 10 times in factories what they could on the land. On say Chinese New Year millions leave the cities to return home to spend time with family. Don’t try and compare apples with pears.
What you have to look at is the financial state of China. It has a 10 trillion dollar economy and rising fast. It’s is now the No1 world economy. It has 4 trillion in reserves. It has a gold reserve second to none.
The 350 million figures has been used by Beijing (unofficially) for a decade and it now claims its 420 million. The Chinese officials don’t like to use the terms middle class or wealthy since they are still theoretically communist, and they don’t admit officially to having billionaires but they do and plenty of them too. Its economy is built on solid ground while the US is on stilts. Just prior to the GFC the US economy was 12 trillion but today it’s 16 trillion. How in heaven can it increased so quickly when you have not recovered from 2008? 80% of US economy is consumerism so it means that all the rest is printed money. One big push and it will falls over.