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Wednesday, 04.02.2015.

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Media: Mass migration from Kosovo not abating

Mass migrations from Kosovo do not seem to abate as thousands of families are setting off for EU countries and their children dropping out of school.

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!
(Irony, 9 February 2015 21:42)

There was only about 1.6 million people in total in Kosovo-Metohija to begin with. About 1.4 million of that were Albanians and today after mass migration its anywhere from 1.2-1.3 mil and receding as we speak.

"2 million Albanians" was ALWAYS a myth peddled by Western mainstream media when in reality, there have never been 2 million people in Kosovo-Metohija at one given time, ever.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it."

Exactly my point. You along with many others who are too lazy to research such issues have developed opinions based on limited information. Then you get on the internet and spew your uneducated comments based on sensationalized reports. I tried to make it easy for you. I gave you the name of a book written by an award-winning journalist. Yet you choose to ignore it. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

"Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations."

How many Serbs have you talked to? Be honest now...as hard as that may be for you.

"You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?"

Judging from your writing, the only thing flickering are the couple brain cells you have left.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL
(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23
Now that would depend on many factors.
1 Did you write the post yourself or did someone have to write it for you?
2. Did you use the computer translator or a book?
3. Did you have to take a bathroom break to get more substance to write?

But assuming that it took you 2 minutes to write the post, pity if longer, then that would mean that they are currently leaving at the rate of 7500 an hour or 180,000 a day, and at the end of 10 days all 1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!

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Irony at the max.

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23)
I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it. Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations.
And I agree most of Serb propaganda is laughable.
You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Irony - I'll make this real simple for you. Please answer: Why did the Kosovo Albanians hire Ruder Finn (a US PR firm)?

Here's a hint: The Croats hired them as well as the Bosnian Muslims. John Harff of Ruder Finn openly stated that their greatest achievement was to get the Jews on their side and they did this by equating the Serbs to Nazis.

Now, you brought up the concept of 'Serb propaganda' which is laughable. But you continue to run away from the question of why Croats, Muslims and Kosovo Albanians hired US PR firms to 'create' an image of the Serbs? If you wish to only answer for the Kosovo Albanians, please do so. Can't wait to hear what you come up with.

Now quit playing with your calculator and answer my question.

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL

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think about it

pre 9 godina

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03)

A lesson well learned and used by the Serb propagandist. Like the organ harvesting myths. Serbia focused on shocking the world with news that hundreds and thousands of Serbs were kidnapped by KLA and the organs removed and sold.
After 4 investigations now it comes to light that there is no evidence to support the claims, but even if some comes to surface that the numbers would be less than 10.
But the damage is done. And still yet Serbs still refer to the court to be set up as one on organ harvesting, although there is not anticipated to be a single indictment nor trial concerning the subject.

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sj

pre 9 godina

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.
(Irony, 9 February 2015 12:15)
To you an answer like I proved can only be the result of drinking, but think what you like because its Albanians who are leaving on mass the paradise called Kosova.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03
What time did you start your drinking? The article and my conversation and I thought yours was about Kosovo. Now you are off on some tyrant as to why I didn't answer your questions about Croats and Bosnians??????
Here/s my answer the day I get involved in a conversation about the wars and atrocities that Serbia committed against the Croats and Bosnians I will give a rats a** about answering your question.
But if the 50,000 rapes you were talking about were from another place other than Kosovo the math still adds up. But if you want to engage in adult conversation which is most likely way over your head, it looks better if you know what the conversation is about.
Talk about your irony!

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.

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sj

pre 9 godina

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 February 2015 09:33)
Try talking to a Pole about that statement. The Poles that went to the UK are still there. I worked with a Polish person who went to home in July 2014 for a holiday and she said very little had changed in close to a decade since she left and the people say the worst part is taking on the Euro where overnight all prices were in the new currency, but they had to live on “Polish” wages meaning prices were all high while wages were low.
This person is by profession an Actuary but she specialises in forensic accountancy and she said that all this talk of Poland’s success is a myth spread by EU propagandists.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 6 February 2015 13:49)

No its not a mecca for employment yet, but its building up to one as industry is certainly opening up there, but not in Kosovo. I watched today on Croatian TV the people caught trying to enter Hungary illegally and one was asked why? His response was “There is no work in Kosovo and I have a wife and two children”. So I can say that even 300 Euros a month would be better than nothing, but Serbia sends them all back.
Serbia is in a unique position, while it does not recognise any break away under the current arrangements they can send all them back to Kosovo.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite)"

This was reported by the Bosnian Gov't. and reported throughout the western press. You conveniently sidestepped my question of why the Croats & Muslims spent millions on US PR firms? Please answer. You accuse the Serbs of propaganda, yet I even gave you an entire book that was written on how propaganda was successfully used against the Serbs written by an award-winning NY Times journalist.

Two months after the Bosnian Govt's. report, Mademoiselle magazine reported between 20K - 100K Muslim women were raped by Serbs. This means that between 100 - 500 rapes were committed daily during the first 7 months of the war by Serbs.

While I'm sure that you will find this mathematically possible, it is utterly absurd. You have proven that you can add, subtract and divide, but are woefully lacking in the common sense department.

A European Parliament resolution cited rapes committed by all 3 sides stating the evidence up till then does not single out Serbs as the sole perpetrators, nor Muslim women as the sole victims.

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done. The burden of proof is not required for PR firms - their job is to create an image. They executed that to perfection, shaping opinions of gullible westerns like yourself.

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.

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EU Dude

pre 9 godina

The solution is straight forward. Don't bring Albanians to Germany, bring Germany to the Albanians, i.e. Kosovaaaa* should become a defacto Lander/colony of Germany. That way Germany still gets to pay for its war crimes but doesn't have to live next to the riff-raff.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 7 February 2015 02:13)
This is where not only your credibility is in the toilet but your ignorance is shining radiantly.
You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite) But then you defend it as impossible as they would have had to each rape 50 a day.
Math is not your prime subject is it? Take 50,000 divide by one day would be 1000 rapes at your number of 50 each. Then spread that over a 90 day period or 3 months, which would be an acceptable number in the term early in the war. That would mean there were only 11.1 Serbian soldiers in Kosovo at the time.
But if you had 25,000 Serb forces and paramilitary in Kosovo that would average 2 rapes per soldier over a 90 day period, a very reasonable number. Since it is not believable that every soldier participated in this horror, cutting it to a third would be 6 rapes per soldier. The shame though is most of these rapes were actually gang rapes committed by more than one soldier, but only reported as a single case of rape.
Maybe you should focus a little more time on education and not so much on the useless goal of propaganda.
Even your hero Dick Marty said in his report
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies"

Irony, here is where you lose all credibility. I find it rather ironic (no pun intended) that you accuse the Serbs of using inflated numbers. I'm sure you remember the claims that Serb soldiers raped 50,000 Muslim women early in the war. At the time that was printed, based on the number of Serb soldiers fighting at that time, each one of them would have had to rape 50 women each day. When would they have had time to commit all the other atrocities they were accused of?

And remember the Markal Marketplace bombing? International forensic experts determined that it was impossible for the bombs to have come from Serb positions.

I could go on and on. But explain to me why the Croats and Muslims spent millions on US PR firms like Hill & Knowlton to create an image of the Serbs in the western press. Jon Harff of Hill & Knowlton stated that their job was to create an image that depicted the Serbs as Nazis.

And you talk about the Serbs distorting the truth. Go do some homework before you come back next time. I'll make it easy for you. Pick up a copy of Media Cleansing written by New York Times award winning author, Peter Brock. Get educated.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

njeios,
"Information drawn from the ninety incident reports allows a general picture to be drawn of the civilian deaths by the time, place, and circumstances in which they occurred. The deaths resulted from attacks on a range of targets, under different circumstances, and from a variety of munitions. Fifty-five of the incidents occurred in Serbia (including five in Vojvodina), three in Montenegro, and thirty-two in Kosovo. But between 279 and 318 of the dead-between 56 and 60 percent of the total number of deaths-were in Kosovo. In Serbia, 201 civilians were killed (five in Vojvodina) and eight died in Montenegro."
The numbers you mention are from grossly embellished Serbian sources immediately after the bombing trying to portray the situation different from reality.
The quote I gave you comes directly from a Human Rights Watch report, which according to you claims the NATO bombing was a war crime so it should have major legitimacy for you. Of course if they did make the claim that was an opinion, the numbers they mention are based on investigations and are facts.

The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies.

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too funny

pre 9 godina

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.
(the actual truth, 6 February 2015 17:05)
Careful, most of the posters on here fit that bill, Serbs and Albanians.
The problem is Albanians want a better life for the people at home, Serbs want the people left in Serbia to live a life that they themselves refuse to ever have. Daily people who live in the west(none of which live in Russia or China for obvious reasons) think that Serbs in Serbia should embrace those 2 countries eventhough they themselves would never consider moving their families there.
Which is what makes these forums so laughable. You have people like Peggy and sj who get on here daily and speak of the horrible west and how wonderful Russia and China are but yet where do they continue to live? While geographically Australia is in the east, it could not be more western if it were moved to the heart of Europe.
Where do you live and why have you not returned to Serbia???

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the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Send them back with a no return ticket for at least 5 years in EU. That a tipical abuse of freedom of movement.
(EA, 5 February 2015 14:35)

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: :...According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented."

Irony, I'm not sure what Human Rights reoport you're referring to but you forgot to mention that Human Rights as well as Amnestey International called the NATO bombing a war crime.

Here are the facts:

2,300 missles shot, 990 targets, 14,000 bombs dropped, (including uranium bombs and cluster munitions), more than 2,000 civilians killed including 88 children, 200,000 Serbs forced from their homes, Chinese Embassy hit killing 3 Chinese.

If you're going to quote numbers, at least try coming close to the truth.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 23:13)
Ah, Serbia the mecca of job opportunities, I guess soon Americans will start illegally crossing the border to Serbia for a chance to earn 300 euros a month.

I guess that since these Albanians were loaded on buses and shipped back to Kosovo, they were not considered by authorities as citizens of Serbia, then I guess that makes them citizens of a non-Serbia Kosovo!

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.


Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 21:06)
Wow now this is true IRONY, Serbia which was able to spend billions building up Kosovo could have their infrastructure completely destroyed by bombs over 78 days that hit a few mainly military targets and killed around 200 people. Most countries are at war for years before they suffer that much damage.
According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented.

Want to recant your story, of how such a low level conflict was able to destroy a country that was able to pour billions into Kosovo. Maybe one or both are actually Serbian lies, you think?

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. "
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 5 February 2015 18:02)

Isn't it sad that people have to leave their country, their home, their families and friends to achieve a better living? Wouldn't it be a better idea to create better conditions in their countries of origin so they don't have to leave or emigrate? Shouldn't this be the goal?

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic, 5 February 2015 16:15)
Albanians from Kosova have been illegally looking for work in Serbia proper for a while now, especially since foreign manufacturing has started to open industry there. About 3 years ago, I watched how a bus load of Albanians from Kosovo were returned after they attempted to find employment in the fiat factory at Kragujevac.
So it’s amusing that this should occur when some Albanians have been crying that that Serbs have persecuted them and yet these same people are happy to work beside their “oppressors”. Isn’t that rather strange?
Hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
Ps Serbs from Croatia are not returned, but Croats are.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From irony: "Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter."

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.

Kosovo Albanians claimed they were being oppressed by the Serbian leadership (again politics matter). Therefore, Big Brother US came to the rescue. Now that the Albanians have their own leadership, even more are leaving than before the war. My point is the K-Albanians got what they asked for and now see that they are no better off than before. Big difference.

Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving?"
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

No, Kosovo is not run by criminals 15 years later, but it was run by criminals since the beginning with Thaci, the CIA-certified ex-terrorist and ex-mafia boss, always had the support of the US of A. Yes, the US of A is always optimistic, though their interventions to create a democratic state never worked out, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in Kosovo and anywhere else. You simply cannot impose a democracy on a society based on clan structures.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying? "
(ida, 4 February 2015 22:39)

Exactly. Btw, for the same reasons some 10.000s people from Serbia tried the same. And because of that abuse of asylum, some EU countries demanded the free travel policy to Schengen area for Serbian citizens should be removoked

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. So Yes, let the people from the Balkans relocate to Germany, Italy, France, England where the standard of living is much higher and meaningful work is available, why not? Even the USA should open the doors and bring these people seeking a better life, the USA has a lot of money which they can use to help the ones in need who are suffering economic hard ship in the Balkans. All people who live in the Balkans should have the right if they wish to relocate any where they want in Europe or any where else in the world for a better life! Let the EU and International Community show the world a better plan for the advancement of humanity!

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)
Respect your opinion, although it is nothing more than an attempt to justify your hatred of Albanians.
Like the asylum answer where Serbs NEVER do anything wrong!

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Moderate Serb: "If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler."

Moderate Serb, perhaps you should change your screenname to Uninformed, Misled & Brainwashed Serb.

This arguement that Chetniks sided with the Nazis is a common tactic used by Ustasha and Titoist followers to discredit the Chetniks.

Your flimsy arguemnt falls apart when we look at the facts:
- Chetniks were the 1st resistance movement formed to fight the Nazis
- Hitler put a $100K bounty on Mihailovich's head
- Hitler ordered 100 Serbs killed for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded as a result of Chetnik incursions
- Chetniks rescued over 500 US downed airmen
- Hitler bombed Belgrade unmercilessly

Moderate Serb, please try and tell some of the surviving US airmen who were rescued by the Chetniks or their families that Mihailovich and his Chetniks were Nazi collaborators. Report back plaese after you've had a few of those conversations. Until then, you're just background noise.

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Jeff

pre 9 godina

These stupid Albanians had everything. In Yugoslavia and Serbia no minority in the world had the same rights. Now they flee their hellhole they have created and blame everyone else for it. It is pathetic and funny at the same time. When Kosovar Albanians admit their crimes and beg for forgiveness, it will be considered.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter.
Case closed!

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Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic

pre 9 godina

They (Albanians) now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo.
(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)

What kind of contradictory nonsense is this? You can't have it both ways. At first you state that Albanians can’t go to Serbia looking for work. Then you go on to say Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors. Finally, you state: and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo. (Even though, according to you: Albanians have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors.) Forgot to take your medications again, eh.

Even Serbs from Croatia are sent back from Serbia.

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Moderate Serb

pre 9 godina

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

Njegos,
Speaking of stupid comments, the above takes the prize!
If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler. Chetniks always supported the wrong side, just as they are doing now in the Ukraine.

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Ratko

pre 9 godina

"Around 20,000 people from Kosovo depart for western European countries on a monthly basis, Koha Ditore daily newspaper recently reported"

Opaaaaa



But hey they criticized serbia for trying to keep jugoslavija together.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this."

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland. Unlike Albanians who flee voluntarily now after they won the war with the help of Big Brother US.

Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving? Your comparison is way off target.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 5 February 2015 01:12)

First of all it’s not about criticising people who migrate to other countries looking for a better life, but it’s about this constant mantra that started in 1999 of how Albanians in Kosovo would create a better life there since they had it so tough under Belgrade. They now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo, and the west has not helped them either and yes that’s also ironic.
These “Serbs” that are doing the asylum thing are actually the majority Albanians with some Roma that live in Serbia.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this.
Also the asylum thing, with all the advertisement in the news about how many Serbs are doing it, why would they not?

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Navi

pre 9 godina

Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.
(Loda, 4 February 2015 19:33)

No you wouldn't because there would be none of you left to sell the land. You're not thinking logically.

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EU Citizen

pre 9 godina

Approximately 30,000 Serbs leave Serbia each year to gain asylum in the Schengen zone of EU only to be returned to Serbia after a few months. These are clearly desperate families that have no future in Serbia and do this to receive handouts that they would never get in Serbia. Many of these families do this repeatedly knowing they will be returned, but find it more profitable than remaining in Serbia. Last year we had a few families from Nis stay in our town. Apparently, Nis is a small city in the south of Serbia which is particularly hard hit. They told us there are parts of Nis that are abandoned with no remaining inhabitants. Very sad indeed!

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ida

pre 9 godina

"No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally."

So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying?

I also read another article which said that because Serbia now accepts the Kosovo documents, it has caused Albanians to use Serbia as route to Hungary, and contributed to this "stampede" to the EU.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Well, there you have it. Those patriotic Albanians who fought so fiercely for their beloved Kosovo can't get out fast enough. Even they realize that an Albanian-run gov't. is ill-equipped to run a democratic functioning country. The Albanians know that the people running the gov't. there are criminals and there is no hope for a viable future. So they're leaving in large numbers.

Funny thing is, no other country wants them. As the article points out, Austria has already tightened their immigration policies. The European countries know that accepting Albanians in large numbers introduces a crime problem in their countries.

Looks to me like the Albanians are destined to be the nomads of Europe. I'm sure the US feels pretty good about the millions they've spent and continue to spend on keeping Kosovo on life-support. Someone tell the last one out to turn off the lights!

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Loda

pre 9 godina

Good days are coming for Serbia, right ARI? hahahahha


Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.

So, no worries.

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I've been saying this on here for a very long time now. Glad it's been confirmed. Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija in flocks right now. They are literally running over each other to get the hell out. More Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija now than during the imaginary ethnic cleansing they accuse Serbia of organizing.

Watch these videos of Albanians in Pristina fighting each other for seats on the bus to leave. Some paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBEPKcUM50g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8ejFBTRvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-tN0NxTi0

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"As many as ten buses depart from the bus stations in Pristina, Gnjilane and Urosevac every night to take Kosovo citizens afflicted by extreme poverty to EU countries (mainly Germany, France and Austria) where they hope to find jobs and better living conditions for their families, states the release."

No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally. About 99% of the asylum requests are refused. Which is fine, because asylum is meant not for people who want to escape poverty or who flee from a corrupt and criminal government (in case of Kosovo a self chosen one), as long as they are not harassed for political, ethnic or religious reasons

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I've been saying this on here for a very long time now. Glad it's been confirmed. Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija in flocks right now. They are literally running over each other to get the hell out. More Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija now than during the imaginary ethnic cleansing they accuse Serbia of organizing.

Watch these videos of Albanians in Pristina fighting each other for seats on the bus to leave. Some paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBEPKcUM50g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8ejFBTRvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-tN0NxTi0

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Well, there you have it. Those patriotic Albanians who fought so fiercely for their beloved Kosovo can't get out fast enough. Even they realize that an Albanian-run gov't. is ill-equipped to run a democratic functioning country. The Albanians know that the people running the gov't. there are criminals and there is no hope for a viable future. So they're leaving in large numbers.

Funny thing is, no other country wants them. As the article points out, Austria has already tightened their immigration policies. The European countries know that accepting Albanians in large numbers introduces a crime problem in their countries.

Looks to me like the Albanians are destined to be the nomads of Europe. I'm sure the US feels pretty good about the millions they've spent and continue to spend on keeping Kosovo on life-support. Someone tell the last one out to turn off the lights!

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"As many as ten buses depart from the bus stations in Pristina, Gnjilane and Urosevac every night to take Kosovo citizens afflicted by extreme poverty to EU countries (mainly Germany, France and Austria) where they hope to find jobs and better living conditions for their families, states the release."

No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally. About 99% of the asylum requests are refused. Which is fine, because asylum is meant not for people who want to escape poverty or who flee from a corrupt and criminal government (in case of Kosovo a self chosen one), as long as they are not harassed for political, ethnic or religious reasons

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EU Citizen

pre 9 godina

Approximately 30,000 Serbs leave Serbia each year to gain asylum in the Schengen zone of EU only to be returned to Serbia after a few months. These are clearly desperate families that have no future in Serbia and do this to receive handouts that they would never get in Serbia. Many of these families do this repeatedly knowing they will be returned, but find it more profitable than remaining in Serbia. Last year we had a few families from Nis stay in our town. Apparently, Nis is a small city in the south of Serbia which is particularly hard hit. They told us there are parts of Nis that are abandoned with no remaining inhabitants. Very sad indeed!

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Moderate Serb

pre 9 godina

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

Njegos,
Speaking of stupid comments, the above takes the prize!
If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler. Chetniks always supported the wrong side, just as they are doing now in the Ukraine.

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Jeff

pre 9 godina

These stupid Albanians had everything. In Yugoslavia and Serbia no minority in the world had the same rights. Now they flee their hellhole they have created and blame everyone else for it. It is pathetic and funny at the same time. When Kosovar Albanians admit their crimes and beg for forgiveness, it will be considered.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this."

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland. Unlike Albanians who flee voluntarily now after they won the war with the help of Big Brother US.

Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving? Your comparison is way off target.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Moderate Serb: "If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler."

Moderate Serb, perhaps you should change your screenname to Uninformed, Misled & Brainwashed Serb.

This arguement that Chetniks sided with the Nazis is a common tactic used by Ustasha and Titoist followers to discredit the Chetniks.

Your flimsy arguemnt falls apart when we look at the facts:
- Chetniks were the 1st resistance movement formed to fight the Nazis
- Hitler put a $100K bounty on Mihailovich's head
- Hitler ordered 100 Serbs killed for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded as a result of Chetnik incursions
- Chetniks rescued over 500 US downed airmen
- Hitler bombed Belgrade unmercilessly

Moderate Serb, please try and tell some of the surviving US airmen who were rescued by the Chetniks or their families that Mihailovich and his Chetniks were Nazi collaborators. Report back plaese after you've had a few of those conversations. Until then, you're just background noise.

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Loda

pre 9 godina

Good days are coming for Serbia, right ARI? hahahahha


Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.

So, no worries.

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Navi

pre 9 godina

Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.
(Loda, 4 February 2015 19:33)

No you wouldn't because there would be none of you left to sell the land. You're not thinking logically.

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Ratko

pre 9 godina

"Around 20,000 people from Kosovo depart for western European countries on a monthly basis, Koha Ditore daily newspaper recently reported"

Opaaaaa



But hey they criticized serbia for trying to keep jugoslavija together.

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ida

pre 9 godina

"No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally."

So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying?

I also read another article which said that because Serbia now accepts the Kosovo documents, it has caused Albanians to use Serbia as route to Hungary, and contributed to this "stampede" to the EU.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 5 February 2015 01:12)

First of all it’s not about criticising people who migrate to other countries looking for a better life, but it’s about this constant mantra that started in 1999 of how Albanians in Kosovo would create a better life there since they had it so tough under Belgrade. They now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo, and the west has not helped them either and yes that’s also ironic.
These “Serbs” that are doing the asylum thing are actually the majority Albanians with some Roma that live in Serbia.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this.
Also the asylum thing, with all the advertisement in the news about how many Serbs are doing it, why would they not?

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From irony: "Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter."

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.

Kosovo Albanians claimed they were being oppressed by the Serbian leadership (again politics matter). Therefore, Big Brother US came to the rescue. Now that the Albanians have their own leadership, even more are leaving than before the war. My point is the K-Albanians got what they asked for and now see that they are no better off than before. Big difference.

Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: :...According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented."

Irony, I'm not sure what Human Rights reoport you're referring to but you forgot to mention that Human Rights as well as Amnestey International called the NATO bombing a war crime.

Here are the facts:

2,300 missles shot, 990 targets, 14,000 bombs dropped, (including uranium bombs and cluster munitions), more than 2,000 civilians killed including 88 children, 200,000 Serbs forced from their homes, Chinese Embassy hit killing 3 Chinese.

If you're going to quote numbers, at least try coming close to the truth.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. So Yes, let the people from the Balkans relocate to Germany, Italy, France, England where the standard of living is much higher and meaningful work is available, why not? Even the USA should open the doors and bring these people seeking a better life, the USA has a lot of money which they can use to help the ones in need who are suffering economic hard ship in the Balkans. All people who live in the Balkans should have the right if they wish to relocate any where they want in Europe or any where else in the world for a better life! Let the EU and International Community show the world a better plan for the advancement of humanity!

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving?"
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

No, Kosovo is not run by criminals 15 years later, but it was run by criminals since the beginning with Thaci, the CIA-certified ex-terrorist and ex-mafia boss, always had the support of the US of A. Yes, the US of A is always optimistic, though their interventions to create a democratic state never worked out, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in Kosovo and anywhere else. You simply cannot impose a democracy on a society based on clan structures.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter.
Case closed!

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)
Respect your opinion, although it is nothing more than an attempt to justify your hatred of Albanians.
Like the asylum answer where Serbs NEVER do anything wrong!

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying? "
(ida, 4 February 2015 22:39)

Exactly. Btw, for the same reasons some 10.000s people from Serbia tried the same. And because of that abuse of asylum, some EU countries demanded the free travel policy to Schengen area for Serbian citizens should be removoked

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic, 5 February 2015 16:15)
Albanians from Kosova have been illegally looking for work in Serbia proper for a while now, especially since foreign manufacturing has started to open industry there. About 3 years ago, I watched how a bus load of Albanians from Kosovo were returned after they attempted to find employment in the fiat factory at Kragujevac.
So it’s amusing that this should occur when some Albanians have been crying that that Serbs have persecuted them and yet these same people are happy to work beside their “oppressors”. Isn’t that rather strange?
Hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
Ps Serbs from Croatia are not returned, but Croats are.

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Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic

pre 9 godina

They (Albanians) now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo.
(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)

What kind of contradictory nonsense is this? You can't have it both ways. At first you state that Albanians can’t go to Serbia looking for work. Then you go on to say Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors. Finally, you state: and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo. (Even though, according to you: Albanians have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors.) Forgot to take your medications again, eh.

Even Serbs from Croatia are sent back from Serbia.

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too funny

pre 9 godina

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.
(the actual truth, 6 February 2015 17:05)
Careful, most of the posters on here fit that bill, Serbs and Albanians.
The problem is Albanians want a better life for the people at home, Serbs want the people left in Serbia to live a life that they themselves refuse to ever have. Daily people who live in the west(none of which live in Russia or China for obvious reasons) think that Serbs in Serbia should embrace those 2 countries eventhough they themselves would never consider moving their families there.
Which is what makes these forums so laughable. You have people like Peggy and sj who get on here daily and speak of the horrible west and how wonderful Russia and China are but yet where do they continue to live? While geographically Australia is in the east, it could not be more western if it were moved to the heart of Europe.
Where do you live and why have you not returned to Serbia???

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 7 February 2015 02:13)
This is where not only your credibility is in the toilet but your ignorance is shining radiantly.
You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite) But then you defend it as impossible as they would have had to each rape 50 a day.
Math is not your prime subject is it? Take 50,000 divide by one day would be 1000 rapes at your number of 50 each. Then spread that over a 90 day period or 3 months, which would be an acceptable number in the term early in the war. That would mean there were only 11.1 Serbian soldiers in Kosovo at the time.
But if you had 25,000 Serb forces and paramilitary in Kosovo that would average 2 rapes per soldier over a 90 day period, a very reasonable number. Since it is not believable that every soldier participated in this horror, cutting it to a third would be 6 rapes per soldier. The shame though is most of these rapes were actually gang rapes committed by more than one soldier, but only reported as a single case of rape.
Maybe you should focus a little more time on education and not so much on the useless goal of propaganda.
Even your hero Dick Marty said in his report
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Irony - I'll make this real simple for you. Please answer: Why did the Kosovo Albanians hire Ruder Finn (a US PR firm)?

Here's a hint: The Croats hired them as well as the Bosnian Muslims. John Harff of Ruder Finn openly stated that their greatest achievement was to get the Jews on their side and they did this by equating the Serbs to Nazis.

Now, you brought up the concept of 'Serb propaganda' which is laughable. But you continue to run away from the question of why Croats, Muslims and Kosovo Albanians hired US PR firms to 'create' an image of the Serbs? If you wish to only answer for the Kosovo Albanians, please do so. Can't wait to hear what you come up with.

Now quit playing with your calculator and answer my question.

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. "
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 5 February 2015 18:02)

Isn't it sad that people have to leave their country, their home, their families and friends to achieve a better living? Wouldn't it be a better idea to create better conditions in their countries of origin so they don't have to leave or emigrate? Shouldn't this be the goal?

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 23:13)
Ah, Serbia the mecca of job opportunities, I guess soon Americans will start illegally crossing the border to Serbia for a chance to earn 300 euros a month.

I guess that since these Albanians were loaded on buses and shipped back to Kosovo, they were not considered by authorities as citizens of Serbia, then I guess that makes them citizens of a non-Serbia Kosovo!

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.


Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 21:06)
Wow now this is true IRONY, Serbia which was able to spend billions building up Kosovo could have their infrastructure completely destroyed by bombs over 78 days that hit a few mainly military targets and killed around 200 people. Most countries are at war for years before they suffer that much damage.
According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented.

Want to recant your story, of how such a low level conflict was able to destroy a country that was able to pour billions into Kosovo. Maybe one or both are actually Serbian lies, you think?

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Irony

pre 9 godina

njeios,
"Information drawn from the ninety incident reports allows a general picture to be drawn of the civilian deaths by the time, place, and circumstances in which they occurred. The deaths resulted from attacks on a range of targets, under different circumstances, and from a variety of munitions. Fifty-five of the incidents occurred in Serbia (including five in Vojvodina), three in Montenegro, and thirty-two in Kosovo. But between 279 and 318 of the dead-between 56 and 60 percent of the total number of deaths-were in Kosovo. In Serbia, 201 civilians were killed (five in Vojvodina) and eight died in Montenegro."
The numbers you mention are from grossly embellished Serbian sources immediately after the bombing trying to portray the situation different from reality.
The quote I gave you comes directly from a Human Rights Watch report, which according to you claims the NATO bombing was a war crime so it should have major legitimacy for you. Of course if they did make the claim that was an opinion, the numbers they mention are based on investigations and are facts.

The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies"

Irony, here is where you lose all credibility. I find it rather ironic (no pun intended) that you accuse the Serbs of using inflated numbers. I'm sure you remember the claims that Serb soldiers raped 50,000 Muslim women early in the war. At the time that was printed, based on the number of Serb soldiers fighting at that time, each one of them would have had to rape 50 women each day. When would they have had time to commit all the other atrocities they were accused of?

And remember the Markal Marketplace bombing? International forensic experts determined that it was impossible for the bombs to have come from Serb positions.

I could go on and on. But explain to me why the Croats and Muslims spent millions on US PR firms like Hill & Knowlton to create an image of the Serbs in the western press. Jon Harff of Hill & Knowlton stated that their job was to create an image that depicted the Serbs as Nazis.

And you talk about the Serbs distorting the truth. Go do some homework before you come back next time. I'll make it easy for you. Pick up a copy of Media Cleansing written by New York Times award winning author, Peter Brock. Get educated.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL
(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23
Now that would depend on many factors.
1 Did you write the post yourself or did someone have to write it for you?
2. Did you use the computer translator or a book?
3. Did you have to take a bathroom break to get more substance to write?

But assuming that it took you 2 minutes to write the post, pity if longer, then that would mean that they are currently leaving at the rate of 7500 an hour or 180,000 a day, and at the end of 10 days all 1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it."

Exactly my point. You along with many others who are too lazy to research such issues have developed opinions based on limited information. Then you get on the internet and spew your uneducated comments based on sensationalized reports. I tried to make it easy for you. I gave you the name of a book written by an award-winning journalist. Yet you choose to ignore it. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

"Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations."

How many Serbs have you talked to? Be honest now...as hard as that may be for you.

"You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?"

Judging from your writing, the only thing flickering are the couple brain cells you have left.

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the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Send them back with a no return ticket for at least 5 years in EU. That a tipical abuse of freedom of movement.
(EA, 5 February 2015 14:35)

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.

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EU Dude

pre 9 godina

The solution is straight forward. Don't bring Albanians to Germany, bring Germany to the Albanians, i.e. Kosovaaaa* should become a defacto Lander/colony of Germany. That way Germany still gets to pay for its war crimes but doesn't have to live next to the riff-raff.

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Irony at the max.

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23)
I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it. Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations.
And I agree most of Serb propaganda is laughable.
You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!
(Irony, 9 February 2015 21:42)

There was only about 1.6 million people in total in Kosovo-Metohija to begin with. About 1.4 million of that were Albanians and today after mass migration its anywhere from 1.2-1.3 mil and receding as we speak.

"2 million Albanians" was ALWAYS a myth peddled by Western mainstream media when in reality, there have never been 2 million people in Kosovo-Metohija at one given time, ever.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite)"

This was reported by the Bosnian Gov't. and reported throughout the western press. You conveniently sidestepped my question of why the Croats & Muslims spent millions on US PR firms? Please answer. You accuse the Serbs of propaganda, yet I even gave you an entire book that was written on how propaganda was successfully used against the Serbs written by an award-winning NY Times journalist.

Two months after the Bosnian Govt's. report, Mademoiselle magazine reported between 20K - 100K Muslim women were raped by Serbs. This means that between 100 - 500 rapes were committed daily during the first 7 months of the war by Serbs.

While I'm sure that you will find this mathematically possible, it is utterly absurd. You have proven that you can add, subtract and divide, but are woefully lacking in the common sense department.

A European Parliament resolution cited rapes committed by all 3 sides stating the evidence up till then does not single out Serbs as the sole perpetrators, nor Muslim women as the sole victims.

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done. The burden of proof is not required for PR firms - their job is to create an image. They executed that to perfection, shaping opinions of gullible westerns like yourself.

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 6 February 2015 13:49)

No its not a mecca for employment yet, but its building up to one as industry is certainly opening up there, but not in Kosovo. I watched today on Croatian TV the people caught trying to enter Hungary illegally and one was asked why? His response was “There is no work in Kosovo and I have a wife and two children”. So I can say that even 300 Euros a month would be better than nothing, but Serbia sends them all back.
Serbia is in a unique position, while it does not recognise any break away under the current arrangements they can send all them back to Kosovo.

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sj

pre 9 godina

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 February 2015 09:33)
Try talking to a Pole about that statement. The Poles that went to the UK are still there. I worked with a Polish person who went to home in July 2014 for a holiday and she said very little had changed in close to a decade since she left and the people say the worst part is taking on the Euro where overnight all prices were in the new currency, but they had to live on “Polish” wages meaning prices were all high while wages were low.
This person is by profession an Actuary but she specialises in forensic accountancy and she said that all this talk of Poland’s success is a myth spread by EU propagandists.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03
What time did you start your drinking? The article and my conversation and I thought yours was about Kosovo. Now you are off on some tyrant as to why I didn't answer your questions about Croats and Bosnians??????
Here/s my answer the day I get involved in a conversation about the wars and atrocities that Serbia committed against the Croats and Bosnians I will give a rats a** about answering your question.
But if the 50,000 rapes you were talking about were from another place other than Kosovo the math still adds up. But if you want to engage in adult conversation which is most likely way over your head, it looks better if you know what the conversation is about.
Talk about your irony!

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.

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sj

pre 9 godina

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.
(Irony, 9 February 2015 12:15)
To you an answer like I proved can only be the result of drinking, but think what you like because its Albanians who are leaving on mass the paradise called Kosova.

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think about it

pre 9 godina

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03)

A lesson well learned and used by the Serb propagandist. Like the organ harvesting myths. Serbia focused on shocking the world with news that hundreds and thousands of Serbs were kidnapped by KLA and the organs removed and sold.
After 4 investigations now it comes to light that there is no evidence to support the claims, but even if some comes to surface that the numbers would be less than 10.
But the damage is done. And still yet Serbs still refer to the court to be set up as one on organ harvesting, although there is not anticipated to be a single indictment nor trial concerning the subject.

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Loda

pre 9 godina

Good days are coming for Serbia, right ARI? hahahahha


Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.

So, no worries.

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I've been saying this on here for a very long time now. Glad it's been confirmed. Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija in flocks right now. They are literally running over each other to get the hell out. More Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija now than during the imaginary ethnic cleansing they accuse Serbia of organizing.

Watch these videos of Albanians in Pristina fighting each other for seats on the bus to leave. Some paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBEPKcUM50g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8ejFBTRvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-tN0NxTi0

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EU Citizen

pre 9 godina

Approximately 30,000 Serbs leave Serbia each year to gain asylum in the Schengen zone of EU only to be returned to Serbia after a few months. These are clearly desperate families that have no future in Serbia and do this to receive handouts that they would never get in Serbia. Many of these families do this repeatedly knowing they will be returned, but find it more profitable than remaining in Serbia. Last year we had a few families from Nis stay in our town. Apparently, Nis is a small city in the south of Serbia which is particularly hard hit. They told us there are parts of Nis that are abandoned with no remaining inhabitants. Very sad indeed!

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Well, there you have it. Those patriotic Albanians who fought so fiercely for their beloved Kosovo can't get out fast enough. Even they realize that an Albanian-run gov't. is ill-equipped to run a democratic functioning country. The Albanians know that the people running the gov't. there are criminals and there is no hope for a viable future. So they're leaving in large numbers.

Funny thing is, no other country wants them. As the article points out, Austria has already tightened their immigration policies. The European countries know that accepting Albanians in large numbers introduces a crime problem in their countries.

Looks to me like the Albanians are destined to be the nomads of Europe. I'm sure the US feels pretty good about the millions they've spent and continue to spend on keeping Kosovo on life-support. Someone tell the last one out to turn off the lights!

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Moderate Serb

pre 9 godina

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

Njegos,
Speaking of stupid comments, the above takes the prize!
If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler. Chetniks always supported the wrong side, just as they are doing now in the Ukraine.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this.
Also the asylum thing, with all the advertisement in the news about how many Serbs are doing it, why would they not?

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Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic

pre 9 godina

They (Albanians) now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo.
(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)

What kind of contradictory nonsense is this? You can't have it both ways. At first you state that Albanians can’t go to Serbia looking for work. Then you go on to say Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors. Finally, you state: and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo. (Even though, according to you: Albanians have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors.) Forgot to take your medications again, eh.

Even Serbs from Croatia are sent back from Serbia.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Vadjoljubrika Djerkoffovic, 5 February 2015 16:15)
Albanians from Kosova have been illegally looking for work in Serbia proper for a while now, especially since foreign manufacturing has started to open industry there. About 3 years ago, I watched how a bus load of Albanians from Kosovo were returned after they attempted to find employment in the fiat factory at Kragujevac.
So it’s amusing that this should occur when some Albanians have been crying that that Serbs have persecuted them and yet these same people are happy to work beside their “oppressors”. Isn’t that rather strange?
Hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
Ps Serbs from Croatia are not returned, but Croats are.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 13:15)
Respect your opinion, although it is nothing more than an attempt to justify your hatred of Albanians.
Like the asylum answer where Serbs NEVER do anything wrong!

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Navi

pre 9 godina

Even if all Kosovars left, we would still sell the land to Albania for a very descent price.
(Loda, 4 February 2015 19:33)

No you wouldn't because there would be none of you left to sell the land. You're not thinking logically.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "Listen to all the Serbs who have immigrated to other countries, or their parents did, on here critizing people from Kosovo wanting to do the same thing in search for a better life. Irony does not get any better than this."

What a stupid comment. The vast majority of Serbs living abroad are there because their parents and grandparents fought against communism and couldn't return to their homeland. Unlike Albanians who flee voluntarily now after they won the war with the help of Big Brother US.

Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving? Your comparison is way off target.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Moderate Serb: "If those Serbs were fighting against Communism then they were fighting for Hitler."

Moderate Serb, perhaps you should change your screenname to Uninformed, Misled & Brainwashed Serb.

This arguement that Chetniks sided with the Nazis is a common tactic used by Ustasha and Titoist followers to discredit the Chetniks.

Your flimsy arguemnt falls apart when we look at the facts:
- Chetniks were the 1st resistance movement formed to fight the Nazis
- Hitler put a $100K bounty on Mihailovich's head
- Hitler ordered 100 Serbs killed for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded as a result of Chetnik incursions
- Chetniks rescued over 500 US downed airmen
- Hitler bombed Belgrade unmercilessly

Moderate Serb, please try and tell some of the surviving US airmen who were rescued by the Chetniks or their families that Mihailovich and his Chetniks were Nazi collaborators. Report back plaese after you've had a few of those conversations. Until then, you're just background noise.

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Jeff

pre 9 godina

These stupid Albanians had everything. In Yugoslavia and Serbia no minority in the world had the same rights. Now they flee their hellhole they have created and blame everyone else for it. It is pathetic and funny at the same time. When Kosovar Albanians admit their crimes and beg for forgiveness, it will be considered.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter.
Case closed!

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From irony: "Two questions:
1. Did your parents or whoever leave Serbia in search for a better life?
2. Are the Albanians leaving in search of a better life?
Politics or economics do not matter."

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.

Kosovo Albanians claimed they were being oppressed by the Serbian leadership (again politics matter). Therefore, Big Brother US came to the rescue. Now that the Albanians have their own leadership, even more are leaving than before the war. My point is the K-Albanians got what they asked for and now see that they are no better off than before. Big difference.

Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"As many as ten buses depart from the bus stations in Pristina, Gnjilane and Urosevac every night to take Kosovo citizens afflicted by extreme poverty to EU countries (mainly Germany, France and Austria) where they hope to find jobs and better living conditions for their families, states the release."

No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally. About 99% of the asylum requests are refused. Which is fine, because asylum is meant not for people who want to escape poverty or who flee from a corrupt and criminal government (in case of Kosovo a self chosen one), as long as they are not harassed for political, ethnic or religious reasons

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Ratko

pre 9 godina

"Around 20,000 people from Kosovo depart for western European countries on a monthly basis, Koha Ditore daily newspaper recently reported"

Opaaaaa



But hey they criticized serbia for trying to keep jugoslavija together.

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 5 February 2015 01:12)

First of all it’s not about criticising people who migrate to other countries looking for a better life, but it’s about this constant mantra that started in 1999 of how Albanians in Kosovo would create a better life there since they had it so tough under Belgrade. They now have to move elsewhere because there is no work there and they can’t go to Serbia looking for work (how ironic that Albanians that have gone to Serbia proper looking for work have no problems working amongst their so called oppressors, eh?) and the ones that do look for a job there are all sent back to Kosovo, and the west has not helped them either and yes that’s also ironic.
These “Serbs” that are doing the asylum thing are actually the majority Albanians with some Roma that live in Serbia.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Wrong. Politics do matter. When Serbia is bombed for 78 days straight, including the killing of many, many civilians, the targeting of non-military buildings and ruining the infrastructure that affects the majority of the civilian population, you bet politics matter.


Your attempt to try and simplify a complex issue is pitiful.
(njegos, 5 February 2015 21:06)
Wow now this is true IRONY, Serbia which was able to spend billions building up Kosovo could have their infrastructure completely destroyed by bombs over 78 days that hit a few mainly military targets and killed around 200 people. Most countries are at war for years before they suffer that much damage.
According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented.

Want to recant your story, of how such a low level conflict was able to destroy a country that was able to pour billions into Kosovo. Maybe one or both are actually Serbian lies, you think?

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: :...According to human rights watch, the majority of the estimated 450-500 civilian casualties of the bombing campaign were Albanians in Kosovo and the buildings hit are well documented."

Irony, I'm not sure what Human Rights reoport you're referring to but you forgot to mention that Human Rights as well as Amnestey International called the NATO bombing a war crime.

Here are the facts:

2,300 missles shot, 990 targets, 14,000 bombs dropped, (including uranium bombs and cluster munitions), more than 2,000 civilians killed including 88 children, 200,000 Serbs forced from their homes, Chinese Embassy hit killing 3 Chinese.

If you're going to quote numbers, at least try coming close to the truth.

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ida

pre 9 godina

"No, they go there to file asylum and get the support money for some month. They know well that these procedures take some month. They don't have a chance to stay there legally."

So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying?

I also read another article which said that because Serbia now accepts the Kosovo documents, it has caused Albanians to use Serbia as route to Hungary, and contributed to this "stampede" to the EU.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Do you really thing the US would have spent millions in helping the Albanians had they known 15 years later the country would be run by criminals and the economy is in a shambles with no hope of improving?"
(njegos, 5 February 2015 13:54)

No, Kosovo is not run by criminals 15 years later, but it was run by criminals since the beginning with Thaci, the CIA-certified ex-terrorist and ex-mafia boss, always had the support of the US of A. Yes, the US of A is always optimistic, though their interventions to create a democratic state never worked out, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in Kosovo and anywhere else. You simply cannot impose a democracy on a society based on clan structures.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies"

Irony, here is where you lose all credibility. I find it rather ironic (no pun intended) that you accuse the Serbs of using inflated numbers. I'm sure you remember the claims that Serb soldiers raped 50,000 Muslim women early in the war. At the time that was printed, based on the number of Serb soldiers fighting at that time, each one of them would have had to rape 50 women each day. When would they have had time to commit all the other atrocities they were accused of?

And remember the Markal Marketplace bombing? International forensic experts determined that it was impossible for the bombs to have come from Serb positions.

I could go on and on. But explain to me why the Croats and Muslims spent millions on US PR firms like Hill & Knowlton to create an image of the Serbs in the western press. Jon Harff of Hill & Knowlton stated that their job was to create an image that depicted the Serbs as Nazis.

And you talk about the Serbs distorting the truth. Go do some homework before you come back next time. I'll make it easy for you. Pick up a copy of Media Cleansing written by New York Times award winning author, Peter Brock. Get educated.

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think about it

pre 9 godina

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03)

A lesson well learned and used by the Serb propagandist. Like the organ harvesting myths. Serbia focused on shocking the world with news that hundreds and thousands of Serbs were kidnapped by KLA and the organs removed and sold.
After 4 investigations now it comes to light that there is no evidence to support the claims, but even if some comes to surface that the numbers would be less than 10.
But the damage is done. And still yet Serbs still refer to the court to be set up as one on organ harvesting, although there is not anticipated to be a single indictment nor trial concerning the subject.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(sj, 5 February 2015 23:13)
Ah, Serbia the mecca of job opportunities, I guess soon Americans will start illegally crossing the border to Serbia for a chance to earn 300 euros a month.

I guess that since these Albanians were loaded on buses and shipped back to Kosovo, they were not considered by authorities as citizens of Serbia, then I guess that makes them citizens of a non-Serbia Kosovo!

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the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Send them back with a no return ticket for at least 5 years in EU. That a tipical abuse of freedom of movement.
(EA, 5 February 2015 14:35)

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite)"

This was reported by the Bosnian Gov't. and reported throughout the western press. You conveniently sidestepped my question of why the Croats & Muslims spent millions on US PR firms? Please answer. You accuse the Serbs of propaganda, yet I even gave you an entire book that was written on how propaganda was successfully used against the Serbs written by an award-winning NY Times journalist.

Two months after the Bosnian Govt's. report, Mademoiselle magazine reported between 20K - 100K Muslim women were raped by Serbs. This means that between 100 - 500 rapes were committed daily during the first 7 months of the war by Serbs.

While I'm sure that you will find this mathematically possible, it is utterly absurd. You have proven that you can add, subtract and divide, but are woefully lacking in the common sense department.

A European Parliament resolution cited rapes committed by all 3 sides stating the evidence up till then does not single out Serbs as the sole perpetrators, nor Muslim women as the sole victims.

But once a ridiculous claim like 50K rapes is reported in the western press, the damage is done. The burden of proof is not required for PR firms - their job is to create an image. They executed that to perfection, shaping opinions of gullible westerns like yourself.

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL
(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23
Now that would depend on many factors.
1 Did you write the post yourself or did someone have to write it for you?
2. Did you use the computer translator or a book?
3. Did you have to take a bathroom break to get more substance to write?

But assuming that it took you 2 minutes to write the post, pity if longer, then that would mean that they are currently leaving at the rate of 7500 an hour or 180,000 a day, and at the end of 10 days all 1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. "
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 5 February 2015 18:02)

Isn't it sad that people have to leave their country, their home, their families and friends to achieve a better living? Wouldn't it be a better idea to create better conditions in their countries of origin so they don't have to leave or emigrate? Shouldn't this be the goal?

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.

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too funny

pre 9 godina

Says the Albanian living comfortably in the West. Why haven't you moved back to your beloved homeland? Oh right, because you know life sucks there.
(the actual truth, 6 February 2015 17:05)
Careful, most of the posters on here fit that bill, Serbs and Albanians.
The problem is Albanians want a better life for the people at home, Serbs want the people left in Serbia to live a life that they themselves refuse to ever have. Daily people who live in the west(none of which live in Russia or China for obvious reasons) think that Serbs in Serbia should embrace those 2 countries eventhough they themselves would never consider moving their families there.
Which is what makes these forums so laughable. You have people like Peggy and sj who get on here daily and speak of the horrible west and how wonderful Russia and China are but yet where do they continue to live? While geographically Australia is in the east, it could not be more western if it were moved to the heart of Europe.
Where do you live and why have you not returned to Serbia???

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Irony

pre 9 godina

njeios,
"Information drawn from the ninety incident reports allows a general picture to be drawn of the civilian deaths by the time, place, and circumstances in which they occurred. The deaths resulted from attacks on a range of targets, under different circumstances, and from a variety of munitions. Fifty-five of the incidents occurred in Serbia (including five in Vojvodina), three in Montenegro, and thirty-two in Kosovo. But between 279 and 318 of the dead-between 56 and 60 percent of the total number of deaths-were in Kosovo. In Serbia, 201 civilians were killed (five in Vojvodina) and eight died in Montenegro."
The numbers you mention are from grossly embellished Serbian sources immediately after the bombing trying to portray the situation different from reality.
The quote I gave you comes directly from a Human Rights Watch report, which according to you claims the NATO bombing was a war crime so it should have major legitimacy for you. Of course if they did make the claim that was an opinion, the numbers they mention are based on investigations and are facts.

The reason Serbia has never been able to garner any sympathy from the war(besides the fact that they were the agressors and the campaign was simply to stop the brutality) is they(you) use such exaggerated numbers that when the truth is out, your whole claims are considered lies.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 7 February 2015 02:13)
This is where not only your credibility is in the toilet but your ignorance is shining radiantly.
You say it was reported that 50,000 muslim women were raped by Serbian soldiers. (Don't know which report you cite) But then you defend it as impossible as they would have had to each rape 50 a day.
Math is not your prime subject is it? Take 50,000 divide by one day would be 1000 rapes at your number of 50 each. Then spread that over a 90 day period or 3 months, which would be an acceptable number in the term early in the war. That would mean there were only 11.1 Serbian soldiers in Kosovo at the time.
But if you had 25,000 Serb forces and paramilitary in Kosovo that would average 2 rapes per soldier over a 90 day period, a very reasonable number. Since it is not believable that every soldier participated in this horror, cutting it to a third would be 6 rapes per soldier. The shame though is most of these rapes were actually gang rapes committed by more than one soldier, but only reported as a single case of rape.
Maybe you should focus a little more time on education and not so much on the useless goal of propaganda.
Even your hero Dick Marty said in his report
"In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."

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EU Dude

pre 9 godina

The solution is straight forward. Don't bring Albanians to Germany, bring Germany to the Albanians, i.e. Kosovaaaa* should become a defacto Lander/colony of Germany. That way Germany still gets to pay for its war crimes but doesn't have to live next to the riff-raff.

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njegos

pre 9 godina

Irony - I'll make this real simple for you. Please answer: Why did the Kosovo Albanians hire Ruder Finn (a US PR firm)?

Here's a hint: The Croats hired them as well as the Bosnian Muslims. John Harff of Ruder Finn openly stated that their greatest achievement was to get the Jews on their side and they did this by equating the Serbs to Nazis.

Now, you brought up the concept of 'Serb propaganda' which is laughable. But you continue to run away from the question of why Croats, Muslims and Kosovo Albanians hired US PR firms to 'create' an image of the Serbs? If you wish to only answer for the Kosovo Albanians, please do so. Can't wait to hear what you come up with.

Now quit playing with your calculator and answer my question.

P.S. In the time it took for me to write this post, another 250 Albanians have left Kosovo. Since you're so good at math, can you tell me at this rate, how long will it take before all Albanians are gone from Kosovo? LOL

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Irony at the max.

pre 9 godina

(njegos, 9 February 2015 17:23)
I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it. Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations.
And I agree most of Serb propaganda is laughable.
You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?

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njegos

pre 9 godina

From Irony: "I will tell you the truth, don't have a clue as to what PR firms were hired, by whom, and what they did or did not create or say. Nor do I care enough to research it."

Exactly my point. You along with many others who are too lazy to research such issues have developed opinions based on limited information. Then you get on the internet and spew your uneducated comments based on sensationalized reports. I tried to make it easy for you. I gave you the name of a book written by an award-winning journalist. Yet you choose to ignore it. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

"Most of my knowledge is based on govt reports and personal conversations."

How many Serbs have you talked to? Be honest now...as hard as that may be for you.

"You really think that you can demand answers like I am sitting in a chair in a room with a flickering light bulb?"

Judging from your writing, the only thing flickering are the couple brain cells you have left.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

The Persuit of a Better Life! In my opinion I see nothing wrong with any people seeking to advance their living conditions. The people that can work and want to work should have the right to move freely within all of Europe or any where else in the world to seek the goal of building a better life for them self and their families. So Yes, let the people from the Balkans relocate to Germany, Italy, France, England where the standard of living is much higher and meaningful work is available, why not? Even the USA should open the doors and bring these people seeking a better life, the USA has a lot of money which they can use to help the ones in need who are suffering economic hard ship in the Balkans. All people who live in the Balkans should have the right if they wish to relocate any where they want in Europe or any where else in the world for a better life! Let the EU and International Community show the world a better plan for the advancement of humanity!

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sj

pre 9 godina

(Irony, 6 February 2015 13:49)

No its not a mecca for employment yet, but its building up to one as industry is certainly opening up there, but not in Kosovo. I watched today on Croatian TV the people caught trying to enter Hungary illegally and one was asked why? His response was “There is no work in Kosovo and I have a wife and two children”. So I can say that even 300 Euros a month would be better than nothing, but Serbia sends them all back.
Serbia is in a unique position, while it does not recognise any break away under the current arrangements they can send all them back to Kosovo.

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sj

pre 9 godina

P.S: Btw, for example Poland is on a good track. Many Poles who went to the UK some years ago were returning because they could find a decent job in their home land.
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 February 2015 09:33)
Try talking to a Pole about that statement. The Poles that went to the UK are still there. I worked with a Polish person who went to home in July 2014 for a holiday and she said very little had changed in close to a decade since she left and the people say the worst part is taking on the Euro where overnight all prices were in the new currency, but they had to live on “Polish” wages meaning prices were all high while wages were low.
This person is by profession an Actuary but she specialises in forensic accountancy and she said that all this talk of Poland’s success is a myth spread by EU propagandists.

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Irony

pre 9 godina

Time for you to put the calculator down Einstein.
(njegos, 8 February 2015 22:03
What time did you start your drinking? The article and my conversation and I thought yours was about Kosovo. Now you are off on some tyrant as to why I didn't answer your questions about Croats and Bosnians??????
Here/s my answer the day I get involved in a conversation about the wars and atrocities that Serbia committed against the Croats and Bosnians I will give a rats a** about answering your question.
But if the 50,000 rapes you were talking about were from another place other than Kosovo the math still adds up. But if you want to engage in adult conversation which is most likely way over your head, it looks better if you know what the conversation is about.
Talk about your irony!

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.

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sj

pre 9 godina

sj,
Serbia is not a mecca of employment but it is headed that way, maybe you should use cream in the coffee in the morning and leave the vodka out.
(Irony, 9 February 2015 12:15)
To you an answer like I proved can only be the result of drinking, but think what you like because its Albanians who are leaving on mass the paradise called Kosova.

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Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

1.8 million would be gone.
Which reinforces what I said about Serb propaganda!
(Irony, 9 February 2015 21:42)

There was only about 1.6 million people in total in Kosovo-Metohija to begin with. About 1.4 million of that were Albanians and today after mass migration its anywhere from 1.2-1.3 mil and receding as we speak.

"2 million Albanians" was ALWAYS a myth peddled by Western mainstream media when in reality, there have never been 2 million people in Kosovo-Metohija at one given time, ever.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"So even if they aren't granted asylum, they are able to receive some support money until they are sent back? - Is that what you are saying? "
(ida, 4 February 2015 22:39)

Exactly. Btw, for the same reasons some 10.000s people from Serbia tried the same. And because of that abuse of asylum, some EU countries demanded the free travel policy to Schengen area for Serbian citizens should be removoked

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