37

Monday, 26.01.2015.

10:09

"Serbia's property can't be taken without asking"

The Serbian government is "acting responsibly over the Trepca case and other property issues in Kosovo and Metohija, Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic has said.

Izvor: Tanjug

"Serbia's property can't be taken without asking" IMAGE SOURCE
IMAGE DESCRIPTION

37 Komentari

Sortiraj po:

Boban

pre 9 godina

@Tirons " Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans"

Proves my point exactly, Albanians are a virus, there is a cure ;)

@Tirons "who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight."

There laws against that now, part of the anti terrorist act, Its what happens when your bedfellows with al qaeda and the taliban, Citizenship's are cancels and arrest warrants issued for most EU and west countries, like Greece, Australia the US, Canada as for Turkey there on thin ice with the Eu and west as it is as most fighters travel to Turkey first before slipping across the border.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more"
(Ari Gold)

Who taught you history, Milosevic?? Serbia has been stealing our territories since the 1800s! I won't even quote any Albanian historians, but just read your own former Prime Minister's Vaso Cubrilovic's memo on the "Expulsion of Albanians" to see who has been stealing territories!
One of his first sentences is: "Serbia began to slice off pieces of this Albanian wedge as early as the first uprising, by expelling the northernmost Albanian settlers from Jagodina." Yes, you read it correctly, Albanians were as far north as Jagodina!!

There are many other accounts of Serb soldiers during WWI that state how the Serbian army systematically cleansed Toplica, Jablanica, Vranje, and parts of Macedonia from Albanians. The famous Trotsky has also written gruesome details about the massacres of Albanians by Serbs in Skopje. I'm not even talking about Milosevic! Don't talk to us about stealing territories!

Kosovo today is only half the size it should have been. Most of your accusations against us are about some invented "organ harvesting" ploy that was never proven. On the other hand Serbia’s state policies and genocide have been well documented throughout history. You got nothing on us and you know it, that's why you keep fabricating lies and attacking us. You're mistaken to think that lies will relive you from guilt, only the truth and an apology for the historical crimes will.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Have you bred enough goats"
(sj)

hahaha, we actually outsource that to Serbs and Gypsies nowadays. They're cheaper than Albanians.

One of the people working for me at my office here in the West is Serb. Just for that comment of yours I'll make this guy work extra hard today and still give him an attitude. He won't even know it, but he owes that to you ;)

sj

pre 9 godina

(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:19)
Another brilliant assessment by our resident CTC who not only is a first class linguist who confuses himself but puts forth logic only he is able to understand sometimes.
P.S. CTC Chief Toilet Cleaner

sj

pre 9 godina

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)
(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:22)

Oh CTC another brilliant assessment. Did you go to Harvard or are you naturally this stupid?
I’d hazard a guess and say you’re a natural.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

sj

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 16:45))

There is a great deal of difference between corporations and governments. When I use the word broke, I’m talking about western governments not western businesses.

sj

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

Have you bred enough goats and jackasses for these hordes? Yes, you will need pitch forks too.
I love this mine is bigger than yours business, like an 8 year old child LOL, LOL.
PS as such a brilliant math man you overlooked the fact just because there are 1 million in Macedonia that does not mean you have 1 million fighters unless you include women children old and ill, or do you?

icj1

pre 9 godina

Are you nuts?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I think you meant to ask if Daniel is nuts! What I wrote is just the summary of Daniel's post about the mine being in Kosovo, but Serbia having the papers lol
----------

What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

About something they were not happy about but still they were savages, like you said, similarly to the savages who rioted in Belgrade against the constitutional right of somebody to parade. Unfortunately, some savages exist everywhere. But I hope you don't support savages.
----------

The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Exactly... To Daniel's point that Serbia just have the papers.
----------

So I don't get what are you "keeping"?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I'm keeping nothing. But the separatist institutions are keeping control over most of the mine as you correctly pointed out.
----------

You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Of course, similarly to Serbia, I'm not even in Kosovo so I, obviously, like Serbia, can't do much about it.

icj1

pre 9 godina

You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked. Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia.
(sj, 27 January 2015 10:58)

That's what I thought as well, which is why Serbs should be happy now that Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia. As usual the CE of B92 forums sj has the best arguments in support of Kosovo not being a part of Serbia.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 9 godina

But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:59)

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

LMAO 12 million Albanians when there are barely 4 million in the entire region. That's OK, I know Hoxha's educational system did a number on a lot of people over there. But words cannot describe how much of a proponent I am of you guys trying to create this Greater Albania.

It's a common occurrence with Albanian nationalism, it's never enough. Whether it's Trepca or your territorial claims on all your neighbors, you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more.

Well you didn't "get" America to bomb Serbia, neocons did and they didn't do it because they gave a sh!t about you. They dropped plenty of depleted uranium all over you, it was in even Albanian media. But next time around, bombing Serbia again and now Greece, Montenegro and Macedonia will be off the the table.

So good luck because you're going to need it. I sure wish you try though.

icj1

pre 9 godina

So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.
(Peggy, 27 January 2015 21:09)

Well, if Serbia misbehaves like it did 15 years ago, of course it's going to be bombed, but I'm sure those bombing are going to ask you first to make sure that little Peggy will let them get away with it lol

icj1

pre 9 godina

You also claim that Kosovo is owned by Serbia, how's that going for ya??
(a New day, 26 January 2015 23:18)
Resolution 1244
(Daniel, 27 January 2015 16:51)

Ok, OK... that's what I thought. We are all in agreement then. And even Serbia agrees with us that the UNSC was instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of Serbia in approving Resolution 1244.

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Tirons, 7 million in Serbia, 2 million in RS, 250 000 in Montenegro and about 8 million more in Australia, US, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Austria and Germany.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil"
(boban)

Interesting analysis Boban, I'm sure you have "deep insights" as to who would get involved and who wouldn't so, LOL.
I know you and most Serbs are bad at math (and logic in general), but I'll help you a little: Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans, who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight. How do these numbers fare against "little Serbia"?? Just because we can get the US to crush you from the air without getting our hands dirty it doesn't mean that we could not crush you like a cockroach ourselves if we wanted to. Careful what you wish for.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The prime minister said it is his job to "protect Serbia from those that are stronger" but at the same time, avoid exposing it to "sanctions, isolation, or bombing
---------------------------
So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.

j

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners.
Ari Gold,

--You still don't get it. Take your "patriotic" hat off for a minute. This thing will be sold. Theres money to be made here. Serbia cant fully operate it, no matter how many stacks of papers it shows. Kosova can't fully operate it no matter how much it can claim that its inside Kosova. Yet money can be made out of it. Any third party that comes only as a result of a deal with Serbia will not be allowed to fully operate it. Any third party that comes as a result with a deal only with Kosova will not be allowed to fully operate it. Solution? Pay Vucic and Thaci really well. They keep in check their followers. This thing gets sold, gets fully operational and those two will claim they successfully reached a deal in Brussels. One will claim Serbia's property can't be taken without asking. The other will claim we showed this was ours. Both pocket the money and laugh on their way to the bank.You and Daniel will come here and brag about Serbia's victory. Rinse and repeat.Sj will say this shows the West is financially bankrupt. There's bigger forces here at play than patriotism or who owns what. Its about calming two sets of people down so a third can make a profit.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)
(icj1, 27 January 2015 03:24)

Are you nuts? What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend? The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it. They also want to privatize Trepca to a foreign company but quickly figured out they couldn't because no foreigner was going to buy something that isn't Pristina's to sell.

So I don't get what are you "keeping"? You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t

sj

pre 9 godina

(Albanian, 26 January 2015 13:24)
You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked.
Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia. As far as Croatia and Slovenia are concerned you only have to see where they are today to understand that your version is BS. Both of these countries major income is tourism. Slovenia has no manufacturing to speak off since the breakup – it’s propped up by Brussels. Croatia is broke, even Zoran Milanovic has stated this fact. If they gave Serbia this high living why can’t they do the same today?????
Tito gave Albanians a lot and that’s why you guys love him. The west has poured billions (like Yugo) and received nothing in return – Kosovo is bottomless a money pit.
Serbia’s economy was destroyed so why the big surprise “..in serbia is 350 euros”. What you need to ask if why hasn’t the west improved Albanian living standards in Kosovo? and why do you still have extremely high level of unemployment?
Trepca – you never give up what you own that’s why, but when your lot sell what little assets are in Kosovo people like you will never see a Euro and you will still blame the Serbs.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners. And in case of the revenues from the North, they will stay in the North. If Vucic pockets the money as you say, that is a shame. But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.

icj1

pre 9 godina

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.
(Daniel, 26 January 2015 15:48)

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)

boban

pre 9 godina

@Rocky " try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth"

You really are delusional, you mean all the coal, oil, and lithium that the yanks are taking for free? you haven't got a cent to show for it and you never will.

When are you people going to realize you were a small pawn in Americas interests, Halliburton, brown and root all leads back to Dick Cheney.

"to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation"

Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil

You are the Mexicans of Europe, no one is trying to illegally get into Albania for a better life but yet you spread like a virus into Europe.

You may get help from al qaeda and the taliban again like in 99 but that was before 9/11, keep dreaming Kosovo is Albanian

j

pre 9 godina

Ari and the Serb ultranationalist still don't see it. Dude this thing has already been sold. Listen to the language from Vucic, Nikolic, the West, Thaci, and Mustafa. The agreement is there. Now its time to act like the defender in front of the cameras so they can sell their patriotism to their unwashed masses. Ari and Daniel buy this crap every time. Every single time. You have this undying need and desire to appear victorious, and cunning. Meanwhile Vucic is naming its price. Of course 2-3 months from now when this thing is formalized in Brussels you will come in and chime in how Serbia won, while Vucic pockets the money. This has been sold and the politicians will make money out of it.

Dori

pre 9 godina

Balboa are you saying that loading hundreds of tucks with woman and children and throwing them in to the rivers of sebia is your state duty ? Than you do not belong in this civilized sociaty ! The whole world knows who the real terrorists are. They were bombed to hell.

Watcher

pre 9 godina

People -

This is a PERFECT example why their MUST be an agreement between the Albanians & Serbians. ALL these type of issues MUST be talked & agreed upon with the full realization that nobody will be happy! They will be hard, but they MUST be agreed to...in order for there to be any kind of lasting peace.
The idiots to want to go to "war" right away or think that somehow that will will be the answer are probably the ones who would pick up a gun last. It would be the "unfortunate" ones whose blood would be spilt..as in any war!
Times have changed! War is not an option anymore, not because of "big brothers" coming to the rescue anymore (Russia /USA), but because it could set off something so terrible, all others wars would seem like childs play. STOP with the fighting jabber, sit down and TALK! Our children deserve more than what we've left for them!!

Balboa's Nemesis

pre 9 godina

You are right Rocky as always "many did not fight"! If I remember correctly it was NATO that did the damage and mostly to Serbia's infrastructure on your behalf. I think you'll find it's your lot that owe the war reparations for the massive damage done to Serbia not to mention the thousands of Serbs that perished during your "liberation". Serbia has nothing to apologise for, fighting internal terrorism is a state duty

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Western Powers and Those who are Stronger? Sanctions, Isolation and Bombing? Once Satan has been permitted he will continue to consume! No end in sight for Satans thrist of our Sacred Slavic Eastern Orthodox Blood! History repeating itself over and over! Last century Germanies Satanic Hitler and the " Final Solution " for Jewish people who lost all their cival rights, personal belongings, real estate and then finally all their lives! USA today suffering a very slow and painfull lingering death from it's over dose of illegal drug consumption that fried their cival leaders brains but still dangeriously out there poking and provoking other nations in the world! USA like a drowning victim grabing on to other nations to pull them along to Hell. How much more does Serbia owe Satan, how much more blood, territory, money? Just look at the situation today in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, Eastern Orthodox Slavic people suffering all punishments Satan can imagine! Eastern Orthodox Slavic people in Europe must fight and defeat Satan or we will all end up perishing in Satans death chamber. There is no compromise with Satan! I read in the news today that Satan wants to erase from our hearts our Serbian most loved and Sacred Saints and Angels, NEVER will we permit that!!! Saint Sava in Heaven with Our Lord Crucified and Holy looks down upon us all with HOPE. When Satan murdered our Beloved Saint Sava he burned the body but the spirit of God lives in our Serbian hearts for ever!

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!! ""

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.

Daniel

pre 9 godina

The legal 100% is in the mindThe legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. ""

Well actually its only in the deluded albaboon brains that Trepca is not owned by the state of Serbia development fund which owns 65% of the stocks and the rest is owned by other Serbian companies. Google is your friend, might aswell use it before you spew your lies.

a New day

pre 9 godina

The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.
(Ari Gold, 26 January 2015 13:15)
The legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. The 33% is true to be in control of Serbs not Serbia. But all sources even Serbian ones indicate the most lucrative or highest possible yields come from the southern portion not the north.
As far as any foreign investments, why do you think the US consortium got written agreements from both Serbian and Kosovo governments??

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ari

During Yuhoslavias reign serbia was taken care of better than anyone else. Financially speaking, and I know Kosova did not contribute as much as Slovenia and Croatia per say, but we did too. If Kosova got back 25% of its contribution as a member of yugoslavia we would have been much better off. You always talk about how much money west spent on Kosova and not much is shown. Look at serbia... still one of the poorest in Europe don't think you're far ahead because you're not. Average monthly income in serbia is 350 euros. I know serbia needs trepca more than Kosova.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!
(Rocky, 26 January 2015 13:03)

LOL you fool! The Albanian occupation and separatist institutions already illegally control most of Trepca! The problem is it will be hard for you to privatize it to a foreign company given who the real owners are. The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!!

If documents of validity clearly show a dept of Trepca which must have occurred during the Serbian occupation of Kosova and it would also clearly display "mismanagement" by occupying Serb structures, then war reparations which are owed to Kosova by Serbia can be tweaked a bit, as Serbia owes many more $ billions then Trepca's debt!

The majority population of Kosova did not fight the 1998-1999 war of liberation just to have Serbia come back 15 years later to try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth, the times where Serbia can just walk in and forcefully take something is history, today you have a Kosova which is on its feet ready to fight fiercely to protect what is hers!

In regards to this issue, Sorry radical Serbia but this isn't going to be your typical and wishful walk in the park as you've clearly touched the wrong nerve!!!

Raisin scone

pre 9 godina

This is all talk by a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. If Kosovo's Albanians are so tough, why don't they just take it? Go right ahead. Stop all the nonsense talk and just take it. Otherwise, keep you mouths shut and let the process go as it is.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

"But noted that he can "by no means agree with those who have recognized Kosovo's independence and who claim and insist that everything there belongs to them."

If you watch the interview, he doesn't say "Kosovo's independence". Albanians have already stolen a lot of Serbian property in Kosovo-Metohija. Houses and businesses. Tito invested billions into this place and it was always poor. It wasn't all Serbia that provided the funds for it, but definitely more than anyone else.

Trying to steal the Trepca in the North where you do not even have a presence is foolish. Just your elite of kleptocrats and criminals distracting you of how they have squandered the billions in post-war funds you got from Western organizations and governments.

And either large parts of 'kosovar' society is filled with so much hatred and rage that they are willing to overlook it, or they are the useful idiots that their "leaders" need.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

"But noted that he can "by no means agree with those who have recognized Kosovo's independence and who claim and insist that everything there belongs to them."

If you watch the interview, he doesn't say "Kosovo's independence". Albanians have already stolen a lot of Serbian property in Kosovo-Metohija. Houses and businesses. Tito invested billions into this place and it was always poor. It wasn't all Serbia that provided the funds for it, but definitely more than anyone else.

Trying to steal the Trepca in the North where you do not even have a presence is foolish. Just your elite of kleptocrats and criminals distracting you of how they have squandered the billions in post-war funds you got from Western organizations and governments.

And either large parts of 'kosovar' society is filled with so much hatred and rage that they are willing to overlook it, or they are the useful idiots that their "leaders" need.

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ari

During Yuhoslavias reign serbia was taken care of better than anyone else. Financially speaking, and I know Kosova did not contribute as much as Slovenia and Croatia per say, but we did too. If Kosova got back 25% of its contribution as a member of yugoslavia we would have been much better off. You always talk about how much money west spent on Kosova and not much is shown. Look at serbia... still one of the poorest in Europe don't think you're far ahead because you're not. Average monthly income in serbia is 350 euros. I know serbia needs trepca more than Kosova.

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!!

If documents of validity clearly show a dept of Trepca which must have occurred during the Serbian occupation of Kosova and it would also clearly display "mismanagement" by occupying Serb structures, then war reparations which are owed to Kosova by Serbia can be tweaked a bit, as Serbia owes many more $ billions then Trepca's debt!

The majority population of Kosova did not fight the 1998-1999 war of liberation just to have Serbia come back 15 years later to try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth, the times where Serbia can just walk in and forcefully take something is history, today you have a Kosova which is on its feet ready to fight fiercely to protect what is hers!

In regards to this issue, Sorry radical Serbia but this isn't going to be your typical and wishful walk in the park as you've clearly touched the wrong nerve!!!

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!
(Rocky, 26 January 2015 13:03)

LOL you fool! The Albanian occupation and separatist institutions already illegally control most of Trepca! The problem is it will be hard for you to privatize it to a foreign company given who the real owners are. The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.

a New day

pre 9 godina

The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.
(Ari Gold, 26 January 2015 13:15)
The legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. The 33% is true to be in control of Serbs not Serbia. But all sources even Serbian ones indicate the most lucrative or highest possible yields come from the southern portion not the north.
As far as any foreign investments, why do you think the US consortium got written agreements from both Serbian and Kosovo governments??

Raisin scone

pre 9 godina

This is all talk by a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. If Kosovo's Albanians are so tough, why don't they just take it? Go right ahead. Stop all the nonsense talk and just take it. Otherwise, keep you mouths shut and let the process go as it is.

Balboa's Nemesis

pre 9 godina

You are right Rocky as always "many did not fight"! If I remember correctly it was NATO that did the damage and mostly to Serbia's infrastructure on your behalf. I think you'll find it's your lot that owe the war reparations for the massive damage done to Serbia not to mention the thousands of Serbs that perished during your "liberation". Serbia has nothing to apologise for, fighting internal terrorism is a state duty

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!! ""

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.

Daniel

pre 9 godina

The legal 100% is in the mindThe legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. ""

Well actually its only in the deluded albaboon brains that Trepca is not owned by the state of Serbia development fund which owns 65% of the stocks and the rest is owned by other Serbian companies. Google is your friend, might aswell use it before you spew your lies.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Western Powers and Those who are Stronger? Sanctions, Isolation and Bombing? Once Satan has been permitted he will continue to consume! No end in sight for Satans thrist of our Sacred Slavic Eastern Orthodox Blood! History repeating itself over and over! Last century Germanies Satanic Hitler and the " Final Solution " for Jewish people who lost all their cival rights, personal belongings, real estate and then finally all their lives! USA today suffering a very slow and painfull lingering death from it's over dose of illegal drug consumption that fried their cival leaders brains but still dangeriously out there poking and provoking other nations in the world! USA like a drowning victim grabing on to other nations to pull them along to Hell. How much more does Serbia owe Satan, how much more blood, territory, money? Just look at the situation today in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, Eastern Orthodox Slavic people suffering all punishments Satan can imagine! Eastern Orthodox Slavic people in Europe must fight and defeat Satan or we will all end up perishing in Satans death chamber. There is no compromise with Satan! I read in the news today that Satan wants to erase from our hearts our Serbian most loved and Sacred Saints and Angels, NEVER will we permit that!!! Saint Sava in Heaven with Our Lord Crucified and Holy looks down upon us all with HOPE. When Satan murdered our Beloved Saint Sava he burned the body but the spirit of God lives in our Serbian hearts for ever!

Watcher

pre 9 godina

People -

This is a PERFECT example why their MUST be an agreement between the Albanians & Serbians. ALL these type of issues MUST be talked & agreed upon with the full realization that nobody will be happy! They will be hard, but they MUST be agreed to...in order for there to be any kind of lasting peace.
The idiots to want to go to "war" right away or think that somehow that will will be the answer are probably the ones who would pick up a gun last. It would be the "unfortunate" ones whose blood would be spilt..as in any war!
Times have changed! War is not an option anymore, not because of "big brothers" coming to the rescue anymore (Russia /USA), but because it could set off something so terrible, all others wars would seem like childs play. STOP with the fighting jabber, sit down and TALK! Our children deserve more than what we've left for them!!

Dori

pre 9 godina

Balboa are you saying that loading hundreds of tucks with woman and children and throwing them in to the rivers of sebia is your state duty ? Than you do not belong in this civilized sociaty ! The whole world knows who the real terrorists are. They were bombed to hell.

icj1

pre 9 godina

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.
(Daniel, 26 January 2015 15:48)

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)

j

pre 9 godina

Ari and the Serb ultranationalist still don't see it. Dude this thing has already been sold. Listen to the language from Vucic, Nikolic, the West, Thaci, and Mustafa. The agreement is there. Now its time to act like the defender in front of the cameras so they can sell their patriotism to their unwashed masses. Ari and Daniel buy this crap every time. Every single time. You have this undying need and desire to appear victorious, and cunning. Meanwhile Vucic is naming its price. Of course 2-3 months from now when this thing is formalized in Brussels you will come in and chime in how Serbia won, while Vucic pockets the money. This has been sold and the politicians will make money out of it.

boban

pre 9 godina

@Rocky " try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth"

You really are delusional, you mean all the coal, oil, and lithium that the yanks are taking for free? you haven't got a cent to show for it and you never will.

When are you people going to realize you were a small pawn in Americas interests, Halliburton, brown and root all leads back to Dick Cheney.

"to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation"

Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil

You are the Mexicans of Europe, no one is trying to illegally get into Albania for a better life but yet you spread like a virus into Europe.

You may get help from al qaeda and the taliban again like in 99 but that was before 9/11, keep dreaming Kosovo is Albanian

icj1

pre 9 godina

You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked. Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia.
(sj, 27 January 2015 10:58)

That's what I thought as well, which is why Serbs should be happy now that Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia. As usual the CE of B92 forums sj has the best arguments in support of Kosovo not being a part of Serbia.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)
(icj1, 27 January 2015 03:24)

Are you nuts? What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend? The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it. They also want to privatize Trepca to a foreign company but quickly figured out they couldn't because no foreigner was going to buy something that isn't Pristina's to sell.

So I don't get what are you "keeping"? You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t

j

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners.
Ari Gold,

--You still don't get it. Take your "patriotic" hat off for a minute. This thing will be sold. Theres money to be made here. Serbia cant fully operate it, no matter how many stacks of papers it shows. Kosova can't fully operate it no matter how much it can claim that its inside Kosova. Yet money can be made out of it. Any third party that comes only as a result of a deal with Serbia will not be allowed to fully operate it. Any third party that comes as a result with a deal only with Kosova will not be allowed to fully operate it. Solution? Pay Vucic and Thaci really well. They keep in check their followers. This thing gets sold, gets fully operational and those two will claim they successfully reached a deal in Brussels. One will claim Serbia's property can't be taken without asking. The other will claim we showed this was ours. Both pocket the money and laugh on their way to the bank.You and Daniel will come here and brag about Serbia's victory. Rinse and repeat.Sj will say this shows the West is financially bankrupt. There's bigger forces here at play than patriotism or who owns what. Its about calming two sets of people down so a third can make a profit.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil"
(boban)

Interesting analysis Boban, I'm sure you have "deep insights" as to who would get involved and who wouldn't so, LOL.
I know you and most Serbs are bad at math (and logic in general), but I'll help you a little: Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans, who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight. How do these numbers fare against "little Serbia"?? Just because we can get the US to crush you from the air without getting our hands dirty it doesn't mean that we could not crush you like a cockroach ourselves if we wanted to. Careful what you wish for.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Are you nuts?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I think you meant to ask if Daniel is nuts! What I wrote is just the summary of Daniel's post about the mine being in Kosovo, but Serbia having the papers lol
----------

What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

About something they were not happy about but still they were savages, like you said, similarly to the savages who rioted in Belgrade against the constitutional right of somebody to parade. Unfortunately, some savages exist everywhere. But I hope you don't support savages.
----------

The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Exactly... To Daniel's point that Serbia just have the papers.
----------

So I don't get what are you "keeping"?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I'm keeping nothing. But the separatist institutions are keeping control over most of the mine as you correctly pointed out.
----------

You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Of course, similarly to Serbia, I'm not even in Kosovo so I, obviously, like Serbia, can't do much about it.

sj

pre 9 godina

(Albanian, 26 January 2015 13:24)
You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked.
Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia. As far as Croatia and Slovenia are concerned you only have to see where they are today to understand that your version is BS. Both of these countries major income is tourism. Slovenia has no manufacturing to speak off since the breakup – it’s propped up by Brussels. Croatia is broke, even Zoran Milanovic has stated this fact. If they gave Serbia this high living why can’t they do the same today?????
Tito gave Albanians a lot and that’s why you guys love him. The west has poured billions (like Yugo) and received nothing in return – Kosovo is bottomless a money pit.
Serbia’s economy was destroyed so why the big surprise “..in serbia is 350 euros”. What you need to ask if why hasn’t the west improved Albanian living standards in Kosovo? and why do you still have extremely high level of unemployment?
Trepca – you never give up what you own that’s why, but when your lot sell what little assets are in Kosovo people like you will never see a Euro and you will still blame the Serbs.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners. And in case of the revenues from the North, they will stay in the North. If Vucic pockets the money as you say, that is a shame. But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.

icj1

pre 9 godina

So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.
(Peggy, 27 January 2015 21:09)

Well, if Serbia misbehaves like it did 15 years ago, of course it's going to be bombed, but I'm sure those bombing are going to ask you first to make sure that little Peggy will let them get away with it lol

icj1

pre 9 godina

You also claim that Kosovo is owned by Serbia, how's that going for ya??
(a New day, 26 January 2015 23:18)
Resolution 1244
(Daniel, 27 January 2015 16:51)

Ok, OK... that's what I thought. We are all in agreement then. And even Serbia agrees with us that the UNSC was instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of Serbia in approving Resolution 1244.

icj1

pre 9 godina

But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:59)

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more"
(Ari Gold)

Who taught you history, Milosevic?? Serbia has been stealing our territories since the 1800s! I won't even quote any Albanian historians, but just read your own former Prime Minister's Vaso Cubrilovic's memo on the "Expulsion of Albanians" to see who has been stealing territories!
One of his first sentences is: "Serbia began to slice off pieces of this Albanian wedge as early as the first uprising, by expelling the northernmost Albanian settlers from Jagodina." Yes, you read it correctly, Albanians were as far north as Jagodina!!

There are many other accounts of Serb soldiers during WWI that state how the Serbian army systematically cleansed Toplica, Jablanica, Vranje, and parts of Macedonia from Albanians. The famous Trotsky has also written gruesome details about the massacres of Albanians by Serbs in Skopje. I'm not even talking about Milosevic! Don't talk to us about stealing territories!

Kosovo today is only half the size it should have been. Most of your accusations against us are about some invented "organ harvesting" ploy that was never proven. On the other hand Serbia’s state policies and genocide have been well documented throughout history. You got nothing on us and you know it, that's why you keep fabricating lies and attacking us. You're mistaken to think that lies will relive you from guilt, only the truth and an apology for the historical crimes will.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Have you bred enough goats"
(sj)

hahaha, we actually outsource that to Serbs and Gypsies nowadays. They're cheaper than Albanians.

One of the people working for me at my office here in the West is Serb. Just for that comment of yours I'll make this guy work extra hard today and still give him an attitude. He won't even know it, but he owes that to you ;)

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

LMAO 12 million Albanians when there are barely 4 million in the entire region. That's OK, I know Hoxha's educational system did a number on a lot of people over there. But words cannot describe how much of a proponent I am of you guys trying to create this Greater Albania.

It's a common occurrence with Albanian nationalism, it's never enough. Whether it's Trepca or your territorial claims on all your neighbors, you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more.

Well you didn't "get" America to bomb Serbia, neocons did and they didn't do it because they gave a sh!t about you. They dropped plenty of depleted uranium all over you, it was in even Albanian media. But next time around, bombing Serbia again and now Greece, Montenegro and Macedonia will be off the the table.

So good luck because you're going to need it. I sure wish you try though.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The prime minister said it is his job to "protect Serbia from those that are stronger" but at the same time, avoid exposing it to "sanctions, isolation, or bombing
---------------------------
So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Tirons, 7 million in Serbia, 2 million in RS, 250 000 in Montenegro and about 8 million more in Australia, US, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Austria and Germany.

sj

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 16:45))

There is a great deal of difference between corporations and governments. When I use the word broke, I’m talking about western governments not western businesses.

sj

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

Have you bred enough goats and jackasses for these hordes? Yes, you will need pitch forks too.
I love this mine is bigger than yours business, like an 8 year old child LOL, LOL.
PS as such a brilliant math man you overlooked the fact just because there are 1 million in Macedonia that does not mean you have 1 million fighters unless you include women children old and ill, or do you?

sj

pre 9 godina

(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:19)
Another brilliant assessment by our resident CTC who not only is a first class linguist who confuses himself but puts forth logic only he is able to understand sometimes.
P.S. CTC Chief Toilet Cleaner

sj

pre 9 godina

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)
(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:22)

Oh CTC another brilliant assessment. Did you go to Harvard or are you naturally this stupid?
I’d hazard a guess and say you’re a natural.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

Boban

pre 9 godina

@Tirons " Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans"

Proves my point exactly, Albanians are a virus, there is a cure ;)

@Tirons "who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight."

There laws against that now, part of the anti terrorist act, Its what happens when your bedfellows with al qaeda and the taliban, Citizenship's are cancels and arrest warrants issued for most EU and west countries, like Greece, Australia the US, Canada as for Turkey there on thin ice with the Eu and west as it is as most fighters travel to Turkey first before slipping across the border.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!
(Rocky, 26 January 2015 13:03)

LOL you fool! The Albanian occupation and separatist institutions already illegally control most of Trepca! The problem is it will be hard for you to privatize it to a foreign company given who the real owners are. The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

"But noted that he can "by no means agree with those who have recognized Kosovo's independence and who claim and insist that everything there belongs to them."

If you watch the interview, he doesn't say "Kosovo's independence". Albanians have already stolen a lot of Serbian property in Kosovo-Metohija. Houses and businesses. Tito invested billions into this place and it was always poor. It wasn't all Serbia that provided the funds for it, but definitely more than anyone else.

Trying to steal the Trepca in the North where you do not even have a presence is foolish. Just your elite of kleptocrats and criminals distracting you of how they have squandered the billions in post-war funds you got from Western organizations and governments.

And either large parts of 'kosovar' society is filled with so much hatred and rage that they are willing to overlook it, or they are the useful idiots that their "leaders" need.

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!! ""

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Western Powers and Those who are Stronger? Sanctions, Isolation and Bombing? Once Satan has been permitted he will continue to consume! No end in sight for Satans thrist of our Sacred Slavic Eastern Orthodox Blood! History repeating itself over and over! Last century Germanies Satanic Hitler and the " Final Solution " for Jewish people who lost all their cival rights, personal belongings, real estate and then finally all their lives! USA today suffering a very slow and painfull lingering death from it's over dose of illegal drug consumption that fried their cival leaders brains but still dangeriously out there poking and provoking other nations in the world! USA like a drowning victim grabing on to other nations to pull them along to Hell. How much more does Serbia owe Satan, how much more blood, territory, money? Just look at the situation today in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, Eastern Orthodox Slavic people suffering all punishments Satan can imagine! Eastern Orthodox Slavic people in Europe must fight and defeat Satan or we will all end up perishing in Satans death chamber. There is no compromise with Satan! I read in the news today that Satan wants to erase from our hearts our Serbian most loved and Sacred Saints and Angels, NEVER will we permit that!!! Saint Sava in Heaven with Our Lord Crucified and Holy looks down upon us all with HOPE. When Satan murdered our Beloved Saint Sava he burned the body but the spirit of God lives in our Serbian hearts for ever!

Daniel

pre 9 godina

The legal 100% is in the mindThe legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. ""

Well actually its only in the deluded albaboon brains that Trepca is not owned by the state of Serbia development fund which owns 65% of the stocks and the rest is owned by other Serbian companies. Google is your friend, might aswell use it before you spew your lies.

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Radical Serbs are insane if they think they will control "ANY" parts of Kosova's Trepca! Unless Serbia has grown a set of balls & is ready to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation, their is absolutely no chance she will obtain any sort of control over any part of this Kosovarian national security issue Trepca!!!

If documents of validity clearly show a dept of Trepca which must have occurred during the Serbian occupation of Kosova and it would also clearly display "mismanagement" by occupying Serb structures, then war reparations which are owed to Kosova by Serbia can be tweaked a bit, as Serbia owes many more $ billions then Trepca's debt!

The majority population of Kosova did not fight the 1998-1999 war of liberation just to have Serbia come back 15 years later to try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth, the times where Serbia can just walk in and forcefully take something is history, today you have a Kosova which is on its feet ready to fight fiercely to protect what is hers!

In regards to this issue, Sorry radical Serbia but this isn't going to be your typical and wishful walk in the park as you've clearly touched the wrong nerve!!!

Raisin scone

pre 9 godina

This is all talk by a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. If Kosovo's Albanians are so tough, why don't they just take it? Go right ahead. Stop all the nonsense talk and just take it. Otherwise, keep you mouths shut and let the process go as it is.

Balboa's Nemesis

pre 9 godina

You are right Rocky as always "many did not fight"! If I remember correctly it was NATO that did the damage and mostly to Serbia's infrastructure on your behalf. I think you'll find it's your lot that owe the war reparations for the massive damage done to Serbia not to mention the thousands of Serbs that perished during your "liberation". Serbia has nothing to apologise for, fighting internal terrorism is a state duty

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ari

During Yuhoslavias reign serbia was taken care of better than anyone else. Financially speaking, and I know Kosova did not contribute as much as Slovenia and Croatia per say, but we did too. If Kosova got back 25% of its contribution as a member of yugoslavia we would have been much better off. You always talk about how much money west spent on Kosova and not much is shown. Look at serbia... still one of the poorest in Europe don't think you're far ahead because you're not. Average monthly income in serbia is 350 euros. I know serbia needs trepca more than Kosova.

a New day

pre 9 godina

The protests are over Prisitna's failure to confiscate Trepca in the North. Though it only makes up 33%, the reserves in the North are more lucrative.

Serbia doesn't have to "obtain" anything. Legally it has ownership of 100% of Trepca and defacto 33%. It wasn't Serbs protesting, it was Albanians protesting over not being able to steal more. You failed, Serbia doesn't have to do nothing but remain firm.
(Ari Gold, 26 January 2015 13:15)
The legal 100% is in the mind of Serbia and would have to be proven in a court. The 33% is true to be in control of Serbs not Serbia. But all sources even Serbian ones indicate the most lucrative or highest possible yields come from the southern portion not the north.
As far as any foreign investments, why do you think the US consortium got written agreements from both Serbian and Kosovo governments??

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)
(icj1, 27 January 2015 03:24)

Are you nuts? What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend? The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it. They also want to privatize Trepca to a foreign company but quickly figured out they couldn't because no foreigner was going to buy something that isn't Pristina's to sell.

So I don't get what are you "keeping"? You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t

sj

pre 9 godina

(Albanian, 26 January 2015 13:24)
You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked.
Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia. As far as Croatia and Slovenia are concerned you only have to see where they are today to understand that your version is BS. Both of these countries major income is tourism. Slovenia has no manufacturing to speak off since the breakup – it’s propped up by Brussels. Croatia is broke, even Zoran Milanovic has stated this fact. If they gave Serbia this high living why can’t they do the same today?????
Tito gave Albanians a lot and that’s why you guys love him. The west has poured billions (like Yugo) and received nothing in return – Kosovo is bottomless a money pit.
Serbia’s economy was destroyed so why the big surprise “..in serbia is 350 euros”. What you need to ask if why hasn’t the west improved Albanian living standards in Kosovo? and why do you still have extremely high level of unemployment?
Trepca – you never give up what you own that’s why, but when your lot sell what little assets are in Kosovo people like you will never see a Euro and you will still blame the Serbs.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners. And in case of the revenues from the North, they will stay in the North. If Vucic pockets the money as you say, that is a shame. But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.

Dori

pre 9 godina

Balboa are you saying that loading hundreds of tucks with woman and children and throwing them in to the rivers of sebia is your state duty ? Than you do not belong in this civilized sociaty ! The whole world knows who the real terrorists are. They were bombed to hell.

boban

pre 9 godina

@Rocky " try and steal a part of The Republic of Kosova's mineral wealth"

You really are delusional, you mean all the coal, oil, and lithium that the yanks are taking for free? you haven't got a cent to show for it and you never will.

When are you people going to realize you were a small pawn in Americas interests, Halliburton, brown and root all leads back to Dick Cheney.

"to involve itself in another war of aggression against The Republic of Kosova and the Albanian nation"

Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil

You are the Mexicans of Europe, no one is trying to illegally get into Albania for a better life but yet you spread like a virus into Europe.

You may get help from al qaeda and the taliban again like in 99 but that was before 9/11, keep dreaming Kosovo is Albanian

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The prime minister said it is his job to "protect Serbia from those that are stronger" but at the same time, avoid exposing it to "sanctions, isolation, or bombing
---------------------------
So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

LMAO 12 million Albanians when there are barely 4 million in the entire region. That's OK, I know Hoxha's educational system did a number on a lot of people over there. But words cannot describe how much of a proponent I am of you guys trying to create this Greater Albania.

It's a common occurrence with Albanian nationalism, it's never enough. Whether it's Trepca or your territorial claims on all your neighbors, you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more.

Well you didn't "get" America to bomb Serbia, neocons did and they didn't do it because they gave a sh!t about you. They dropped plenty of depleted uranium all over you, it was in even Albanian media. But next time around, bombing Serbia again and now Greece, Montenegro and Macedonia will be off the the table.

So good luck because you're going to need it. I sure wish you try though.

sj

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 16:45))

There is a great deal of difference between corporations and governments. When I use the word broke, I’m talking about western governments not western businesses.

sj

pre 9 godina

(Tirons, 27 January 2015 21:43)

Have you bred enough goats and jackasses for these hordes? Yes, you will need pitch forks too.
I love this mine is bigger than yours business, like an 8 year old child LOL, LOL.
PS as such a brilliant math man you overlooked the fact just because there are 1 million in Macedonia that does not mean you have 1 million fighters unless you include women children old and ill, or do you?

sj

pre 9 godina

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)
(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:22)

Oh CTC another brilliant assessment. Did you go to Harvard or are you naturally this stupid?
I’d hazard a guess and say you’re a natural.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

sj

pre 9 godina

(icj1, 28 January 2015 02:19)
Another brilliant assessment by our resident CTC who not only is a first class linguist who confuses himself but puts forth logic only he is able to understand sometimes.
P.S. CTC Chief Toilet Cleaner

Daniel

pre 9 godina

Tirons, 7 million in Serbia, 2 million in RS, 250 000 in Montenegro and about 8 million more in Australia, US, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Austria and Germany.

Watcher

pre 9 godina

People -

This is a PERFECT example why their MUST be an agreement between the Albanians & Serbians. ALL these type of issues MUST be talked & agreed upon with the full realization that nobody will be happy! They will be hard, but they MUST be agreed to...in order for there to be any kind of lasting peace.
The idiots to want to go to "war" right away or think that somehow that will will be the answer are probably the ones who would pick up a gun last. It would be the "unfortunate" ones whose blood would be spilt..as in any war!
Times have changed! War is not an option anymore, not because of "big brothers" coming to the rescue anymore (Russia /USA), but because it could set off something so terrible, all others wars would seem like childs play. STOP with the fighting jabber, sit down and TALK! Our children deserve more than what we've left for them!!

icj1

pre 9 godina

We dont need a war to keep what is ours and the fact is that Trepca is owned by the state of Serbia through the development fund and if you try to take it be sure that the case will be taken to court where we have a contract that says who is the owner, black on white. You can whine how much you want, the fact that Trepca is located in kosovo has no meaning what so ever, it couldve been located anywhere in the world or even on Mars, that still wouldnt change the fact that Serbia owns it.
(Daniel, 26 January 2015 15:48)

Ok, good, we have the solution then: Serbia has the papers; Kosovo has the mine :)

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Keep thinking America are you friends its doubtful they will help you again and from I understand the Albanian nation you refer to is not going to get involved please be careful what you wish for Albania's population is 2.4mil Serbia is at 7.1mil"
(boban)

Interesting analysis Boban, I'm sure you have "deep insights" as to who would get involved and who wouldn't so, LOL.
I know you and most Serbs are bad at math (and logic in general), but I'll help you a little: Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans, who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight. How do these numbers fare against "little Serbia"?? Just because we can get the US to crush you from the air without getting our hands dirty it doesn't mean that we could not crush you like a cockroach ourselves if we wanted to. Careful what you wish for.

j

pre 9 godina

Ari and the Serb ultranationalist still don't see it. Dude this thing has already been sold. Listen to the language from Vucic, Nikolic, the West, Thaci, and Mustafa. The agreement is there. Now its time to act like the defender in front of the cameras so they can sell their patriotism to their unwashed masses. Ari and Daniel buy this crap every time. Every single time. You have this undying need and desire to appear victorious, and cunning. Meanwhile Vucic is naming its price. Of course 2-3 months from now when this thing is formalized in Brussels you will come in and chime in how Serbia won, while Vucic pockets the money. This has been sold and the politicians will make money out of it.

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"Have you bred enough goats"
(sj)

hahaha, we actually outsource that to Serbs and Gypsies nowadays. They're cheaper than Albanians.

One of the people working for me at my office here in the West is Serb. Just for that comment of yours I'll make this guy work extra hard today and still give him an attitude. He won't even know it, but he owes that to you ;)

j

pre 9 godina

(j, 27 January 2015 00:52)

You're the one who doesn't see it! The Albanians say that Serbia owns 0% of Trepca. Nothing. So if that's the case, why would any money be coming Vucic's way? The thing may very well be sold, but it's not going to be sold to Albanians, it will be sold to foreigners.
Ari Gold,

--You still don't get it. Take your "patriotic" hat off for a minute. This thing will be sold. Theres money to be made here. Serbia cant fully operate it, no matter how many stacks of papers it shows. Kosova can't fully operate it no matter how much it can claim that its inside Kosova. Yet money can be made out of it. Any third party that comes only as a result of a deal with Serbia will not be allowed to fully operate it. Any third party that comes as a result with a deal only with Kosova will not be allowed to fully operate it. Solution? Pay Vucic and Thaci really well. They keep in check their followers. This thing gets sold, gets fully operational and those two will claim they successfully reached a deal in Brussels. One will claim Serbia's property can't be taken without asking. The other will claim we showed this was ours. Both pocket the money and laugh on their way to the bank.You and Daniel will come here and brag about Serbia's victory. Rinse and repeat.Sj will say this shows the West is financially bankrupt. There's bigger forces here at play than patriotism or who owns what. Its about calming two sets of people down so a third can make a profit.

icj1

pre 9 godina

You also claim that Kosovo is owned by Serbia, how's that going for ya??
(a New day, 26 January 2015 23:18)
Resolution 1244
(Daniel, 27 January 2015 16:51)

Ok, OK... that's what I thought. We are all in agreement then. And even Serbia agrees with us that the UNSC was instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of Serbia in approving Resolution 1244.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Are you nuts?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I think you meant to ask if Daniel is nuts! What I wrote is just the summary of Daniel's post about the mine being in Kosovo, but Serbia having the papers lol
----------

What were all those savages rioting about in Pristina this past weekend?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

About something they were not happy about but still they were savages, like you said, similarly to the savages who rioted in Belgrade against the constitutional right of somebody to parade. Unfortunately, some savages exist everywhere. But I hope you don't support savages.
----------

The separatist institutions already have control over most of the mine but want more of it.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Exactly... To Daniel's point that Serbia just have the papers.
----------

So I don't get what are you "keeping"?
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

I'm keeping nothing. But the separatist institutions are keeping control over most of the mine as you correctly pointed out.
----------

You have no means to steal more of Trepca by taking the 33% in the North. It is where the more lucrative reserves are, I understand your frustration. But you aren't getting sh!t
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:56)

Of course, similarly to Serbia, I'm not even in Kosovo so I, obviously, like Serbia, can't do much about it.

icj1

pre 9 godina

You have to be old enough to recall that during Tito’s time people in Serbia were asked to work a day and donate that pay towards assisting the poorer parts of Yugoslavia such as Macedonia and Kosovo. In any twelve months about five Saturday’s were worked. Since it was considered poor there were no contribution to Serbia.
(sj, 27 January 2015 10:58)

That's what I thought as well, which is why Serbs should be happy now that Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia. As usual the CE of B92 forums sj has the best arguments in support of Kosovo not being a part of Serbia.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Tirons

pre 9 godina

"you are never satisfied with what you manage to steal but want more and more"
(Ari Gold)

Who taught you history, Milosevic?? Serbia has been stealing our territories since the 1800s! I won't even quote any Albanian historians, but just read your own former Prime Minister's Vaso Cubrilovic's memo on the "Expulsion of Albanians" to see who has been stealing territories!
One of his first sentences is: "Serbia began to slice off pieces of this Albanian wedge as early as the first uprising, by expelling the northernmost Albanian settlers from Jagodina." Yes, you read it correctly, Albanians were as far north as Jagodina!!

There are many other accounts of Serb soldiers during WWI that state how the Serbian army systematically cleansed Toplica, Jablanica, Vranje, and parts of Macedonia from Albanians. The famous Trotsky has also written gruesome details about the massacres of Albanians by Serbs in Skopje. I'm not even talking about Milosevic! Don't talk to us about stealing territories!

Kosovo today is only half the size it should have been. Most of your accusations against us are about some invented "organ harvesting" ploy that was never proven. On the other hand Serbia’s state policies and genocide have been well documented throughout history. You got nothing on us and you know it, that's why you keep fabricating lies and attacking us. You're mistaken to think that lies will relive you from guilt, only the truth and an apology for the historical crimes will.

icj1

pre 9 godina

So unless Serbia is ready to sell Trepca to Ms Albright and Co. then Serbia risks being bombed again?
I don't think they could get away with it this time.
(Peggy, 27 January 2015 21:09)

Well, if Serbia misbehaves like it did 15 years ago, of course it's going to be bombed, but I'm sure those bombing are going to ask you first to make sure that little Peggy will let them get away with it lol

icj1

pre 9 godina

But if he gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Serbia and you were all wrong.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2015 10:59)

And, using the same logic, if Kosovo gets any money at all from it then that means that the mine really does belong to Kosovo and you were all wrong :)

Boban

pre 9 godina

@Tirons " Albania & Kosova together are about 5mil and there are another close to 1mil Albanians in Macedonia and another close to 2mil in Greece, so that's 8mil Albanians in the Balkans excluding Turkey. If you count about 5mil Albanians in Turkey that's about 12-13mil Albanians in the Balkans without counting the large diaspora outside of the Balkans"

Proves my point exactly, Albanians are a virus, there is a cure ;)

@Tirons "who as in the past has been ready to come back and fight."

There laws against that now, part of the anti terrorist act, Its what happens when your bedfellows with al qaeda and the taliban, Citizenship's are cancels and arrest warrants issued for most EU and west countries, like Greece, Australia the US, Canada as for Turkey there on thin ice with the Eu and west as it is as most fighters travel to Turkey first before slipping across the border.