Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
(kudos, 2 January 2015 23:51)
Kudos, at the asylum, he is known as sj=spamming jackass
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nicole, keep on writing, you are a becaon on this page. You have wit, knowledge, and the determination to spread the truth here on B92. You are by far superiour to people like sj and others.
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 12:37)
Well Mustapha you’ve got me. Yes I was paid 20 Euros 8 years before the currency entered circulation.
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 11:00)
Just as I expected, no matter how much proof anyone shows you you will still stick to your own version.
This is a message to all the commenters about kosovo/kosova/dardania/kosovo&metohija. I speak only the truth and no matter how much you twist the truth it's still the truth. If you twist my truth you are just lying to yourself.
1. Your comments here are more for entertainment and have zero effect in changing the political reality of Kosovo.
2. To serbs, sorry if the truth hurts, but albanians were here in balkans when you arrived in 6th-7th century.
3. To albanians, sorry if the truth hurts, but serbs were the majority in 1389.
4. Do i have to remind you that Kosovo was ruled by serbs in 1389 and in yugoslavia and it was ruled by albanians at the end of ottoman empire and nowdays.
5. Both albanians and serbs want to normalize their relations because it is in their own interest.
6. As for being friends one day, nobody knows, but future geopolitical changes will have an impact on them being friends or continuing being enemies.
7. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year (from an orthodox albanian that puts ethnicity before religion).
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
"Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim"
But Moldova is not under financial aid (yet), only Kosovo is. So comparing the two economies doesn't make sense.
About the GDP growth rate in Kosovo, it was 4% in 2008 and 3% in 2013 (World Bank: World Development Indicators). About the GDP in Kosovo (real GDP, i.e. deflated, i.e. GDP in constant prices) it was $ 4.3 billion in 2008 and $ 5 billion in 2013, in which the financial aid is included. (World Bank: World Development Indicators). In a month or so the World Bank will provide numbers for 2014, where we can have a nice chat again about the development of the economy in Kosovo.
Hahaha you think that Kosovo must have some secret formula as it has managed to lower its unemployment rate. Like I said, when you're starting at the bottom like Kosovo was under Yugoslav rule, the only way is up. And no, I didn't get it out of the CIA World Fact Book (CIA WFB). But I suppose because there is something similar in the CIA WFB it must be a lie. The CIA WFB says that Japan's flag is white with a red circle in the middle, that's a lie too because the CIA WFB said it. Just because you don't want Kosovo to have industries doesn't mean they don't exist. I know you can't stand the fact that Kosovo's economy is growing because it isn't in line with the picture that you paint that Kosovo is dirt poor and dependent on the EU. And yes, Kosovo may receive a lot of funds from the EU, but Serbia receives even more funds than Kosovo. Only last week did the EU give millions and millions of Euros to help out Serbian farmers. Outside of Novi Sad and central Belgrade, Serbia is an incredibly poor country.
Maybe tour guides can tell them how 66% of all Mosques in Kosovo were destroyed/ damaged by Yugoslav forces in the Kosovo War? To be honest sj, when I go travelling, which I do quite frequently, I really cannot stand seeing stupid Churches. Tourists who go to Kosovo go to Pristina, mountain walking and skiing. Once you've seen one church, you're seen them all. Who goes on holiday to look at Churches?
I have not been at this web site in month and I must say: 'It even got worse'. I do not know any other web site from a European media source that provides a platform to spread racism, hate and fascist ideas like B92 does. I thought Serbia wants to become a member of the EU, but B92 promotes ideas, which have nothing to do with the way Western Europe thinks, and in almost any other comment openly fascist ideas are spread. Albanians are still portrait as sub-human which stole Serb territory and should be killed or chaised out of their country, and any other ethnic group / country besides Serbs and Russians are monsters. No refection on the ethnic cleansing and mass murders committed by Serbs all over the Balkans in the 90's, and Milosevic's helpers are being glorified. There is no other country in Europe which openly acts like that. It seems as if you never will learn, and what you need is a de-nazification like Germany had after WWII.
first of sj, you 'truth's don't disturb me, they amuse me. what does disturb me. second the English version of b92 is addressed to those who speak English, it's not addressed to Serbian English speakers. if it were, then perhaps those who own the portal could make that clear. so you can't stop me from contributing here. if it placates you, i don't follow the Serbian version of B92. however, i also comment on articles on the BBC, CNN, the Telegraph, New York Times, Guardian and yes Kosova live, TVKlan, zeri.net. koha.net and others.
as for Germany, sunshine, you wrote Merkel's removal was being plotted by unhappy industrialists. care to tell me where you read this? because you see, what i think is that you've seen an Oliver Stone movie and constructed a story of your own. if what you say is true, you must have read it somewhere. just tell me where and its all done. also, i never said industries don't have an influence on politics.
as for this "It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever." first of, i have never had a facade to begin with, i have never made up stories. nor have i ever written rubbish like, Crimea is the back door to China, its only 2000 km away from China but its the back door still
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2,500,000 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the Serbia where its citizens could not identify the cities when given a map of the Serbia with only city boundaries and no other writing.
(sj, 1 January 2015 21:58)
You won't have international independence if you remain inside Serbia, but you won't have international independence outside Serbia either, as long as Serbia denies to agree on that (and the 75 countries follow from that. If Serbia recognized independence, these 75 countries would recognize independence too). Poverty is a straightforward implication of no international recognition of independence, because you can't have an independent economy, meaning you will rely on financial aid. BTW, may I ask where you live?
No one from the West is pushing Greece to give up part of its territory. And no one from the West bombed Greece 15 years ago. So your example is irrelevant. If we were in Serbia's position, we wouldn't want to join the EU or side with the west in general. Apart from that, joining the EU is not easy, but it's easier than leaving the EU (or NATO). And it's also illegal for us to borrow money from Putin, that's the reason we haven't, not because we doubt Putin's strength. But keep in mind that if Greece hadn't adopted euro, we wouldn't have had a financial crisis now, though we would definitely have had debt (same as Brits, by not adopting euro they keep their monetary sovereignty, i.e. their debt is internal (not external as ours) and that causes no crisis in the EU, nor in the UK). So the west has been feeding Greece, but without euro we wouldn't need feeding anyway, regardless our current debt.
You just described Serbia. So what's your point? Serbia is a small poor country surviving on EU handouts. Your whole argument is that Serbia is a little less poor than Kosova. Having made this point you still survive on handouts from the EU.You're in the same $h!ty situation, begging the EU for money to keep the country afloat. Despite all the bravado at the end of the day you go and beg, beg the EU so that your people have food on the table.
(Nikolle, 1 January 2015 19:55)
B92 is a SERBIAN-based media site so I suggest that you move to a media site run by Albanians and I can guarantee you that I will NEVER read it or post there.
Why are you so disturbed about what I post about Ukraine? If they are stories then I am posting on a SERBIAN-based media site and it would mean I am lying to Serbs. I am not addressing Albanians so what’s your problem?
I do love the part where industrialists in Germany having no influence on political parties, I just love that part LOL. You have to be the biggest simpleton I have yet come across. As if Exxon or Boeing or armaments manufacturers have no influence in US politics.
I can just see it now Mercedes or VW laying down meekly while their exports to Russia are reduced to zero due to sanctions. I can just see it with not one finger being lifted. Who do you think funds these parties????? Santa Clause?????
It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever.
Nikolle if you pick your head up from the sand there are a lot of proofs that the protesters were paid by the US and the EU, do you know how to use google? But of course since that doesnt suit your view its obviously utter garbage right?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-and-eu-are-paying-ukrainian-rioters-and-protesters/5369316
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-08/pro-russian-demonstrators-in-ukraine-paid/5373834
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-state
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1y5j85/us_and_eu_are_paying_ukrainian_rioters_and/
http://vimeo.com/93780350
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=21e_1399063440
http://mic.com/articles/77309/what-the-media-doesn-t-get-about-the-protests-in-ukraine
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2015 14:19)
If Kosovo has managed to reduce its level of unemployment to 30% perhaps they might pass on their secret to economic success to the US and EU.
“ steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods.....”
This is word for word out of a book and 30% unemployment comes from the CIA’s so called factbook which is utter crap. There is no industry in Kosovo. The biggest employer is the government and it would not survive without EU funding so that makes the 30% figure pure fabrication.
What white goods??????? Have you been drinking cooking sherry again?
“tourism is even growing in Kosovo” I’d like to be there when Albos take the tourists around and try and explain the lack of Albo monuments in Kosovo or try and sell the idea that Serb Churches and Monasteries are actually Albanian. Or even better when tourists visit these places and the monks tell them of constant harassment by local Albos who hate everyone. Yep it should be good.
“..but it is growing and improving year upon year.” The French have been saying the same of Chad for the last 50 years.
Please stop writing crap.
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
(pss, 1 January 2015 15:28)
Well (Sultan, 1 January 2015 15:52), here is an example of what I have to contend with on this site. This I would classify as an extremely silly statement now let’s see if I can get through to pss.
China is Australia’s main trading partner, it used to be Japan until recently, but China has taken over. We sell most of our minerals and energy to China and if Australia angers China they will not buy these resources and this will result in Australia becoming a South East Asian backwater.
The price for iron ore and coal has fallen through the floor and the mining boom of the last 20 years is over. The Government has a huge gap in the budget as a result of falling prices and it looks like 2015 will send us into a recession. I hope I am being clear about the situation.
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the US where its citizens could not identify the states when given a map of the US with only state boundaries and no other writing.
First off sj, you can write whatever you like anywhere, not just on a Serbian based website. however, when you tell outright lies and concoct stories, people pick you up on it, OK? you can still write whatever you want, but make your tales believable. i mean, you wrote it is fact that protesters were paid money to go out and protest in Ukraine. where you read this fact, i don't know, but to me its nonsense. just like that other garbage about having witnessed a similar incident in mainland Serbia in 1994. just like that other rubbish about rumours of German industrialists plotting Merkel's removal. not that this bothers me or frightens me as you like to think, i simply use it to illustrate how wrong you are. so my advise to you mr Crimea-is-the-back-door-to-China (Korea is much nearer to China than Crimea), lie away all you want, but make them believable
@Elena
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
--My point exactly. No international independence inside Serbia, so wtf would we gain? Instead of getting western funds directly, they'd have to go through Serbia, they'd take their cut and we'd get whatever Serbia felt like. Can't see how that'd put us in a better position than now.Instead of doing business directly with more than half of the world we'd have to do it through Serbia and its bipolar whims. Still don't see how that gets us in a better position than now.
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper...
-- The West has been feeding Greece for the past two years. Why don't you just refuse the money. Refuse it and get it from the BRICS. You can't because at the end of the day no matter the BS you and Serbs write it's the west that ends up feeding you.Just refuse the EU and their money. Go get it from the BRICS if the EU isn't the only place to get free money. Meanwhile uncle Putin still wants his gas money.
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
(Andreas, 1 January 2015 15:57)
I could use that argument for Serbia too as 80,000 left in 2014. Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim. Kosovo will have a larger economy than Moldova soon and Moldova has twice as many people as Kosovo.
Kosovo's economy is growing a lot better than Ethiopia's. Like I said Kosovo's current GDP (PPP) per capita is larger than what Serbia's was in 2008 when Kosovo left Serbia.
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit.
(sj, 31 December 2014 08:11)
By what you write, you must be about 60 years old. Why can't you act your age rather than behave as a 14 year old brat.
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
Stop using out of date figures. Kosovo's unemployment rate WAS at 45%. In 2013 it was at 30.9% and now that we're in 2015, it will be even lower. Also one has to bare in mind that that if Northern Kosovo was taken out of the equation, Kosovo would have an even lower unemployment rate. Kosovo's economy is set to grow by 3.3% this year and it is scheduled to overtake Moldova's economy despite Moldova having a population twice the size of Kosovo.
"Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of."
Apart from mining minerals, steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods and machinery, wine and tobacco production, forestry and paper production, manufacturing of construction materials, a self reliant energy sector ect.
Agriculture and farming accounts for over 25% of Kosovo's economy, also Kosovo has a huge services sector; tourism is even growing in Kosovo.
Yeah Kosovo doesn't have an amazing economy but it is growing and improving year upon year.
Silly Willi Pfaff wrote : "So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results."
Silly Willi I haven't been "voting" much so far and I don't remember voting any of your comments ever. But from now on every time I see one of your comments, I will "give the thumbs down" without even reading it.
(pss, 31 December 2014 16:33)
Crimea is extremely important. Have you ever heard of the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade? Well that involved the Brits fighting the Russians over Crimea. In fact the Victoria Cross, the highest military award, is made out of metal from a couple of captured Russian canons. Crimea is the door to central Asia and backdoor to China.
Ukraine is a battle for Europe. Who wins in Ukraine controls Europe. The US is not fighting tooth and nail for nothing. Who takes over Europe dictates what happens to Kosovo. There will be no wars over Kosovo. I don’t understand where these ideas come from? It is in Russia’s interest to have a frozen conflict just like Georgia.
South stream is there to avoid Ukraine just like the pipeline built that bypasses Poland and goes direct to Germany via the Baltic sea.
What is never mentioned in the western media is that China is on Russia’s side and what China says Australia will do. The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. "
You are on a Serbian website spreading anti-serbian propaganda and still you expect anti-serb comments to be more popular than pro-serb comments? Are you for real? Finally the votes show the real truth and the real opinion and if you dont like it there is noone forcing you to come here.
"But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task" (think about it)
Is this your task? LOL I hope all westerns are as smart as YOU! And let me guess, you are American. We have westerns in Europe too, but at least ours are smart people.
"It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether." (Willi Pfaff )
I thought Willi was a male name. I guess Willi is a girl.
Willi quit this drama and just accept it: We don't like your comments. Go to an Albanian website to post, I'm sure there you will be the Queen of the website.
Elena the screen names "a new day" and "cry me a river" belong to the same American. occasionally he uses other nicknames too, like "Answerer" when "cry me a river" asks a question and all of a sudden an "answerer" appears to answer "cry me a river"'s question LOL. either he likes talking to himself or his life is really miserable and empty. don't waste your time replying to him, ignore him and read his posts only when you feel like laughing.
"Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty"
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
"Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West. "
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper, especially now with the financial crisis. The new rising market is the euroasian one, where Russia and China are the leading countries. This is where financialy development takes place now.
"But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. " Then why do you even bother replying to me?
"Then what's the problem? I can't see it."
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 31 December 2014 17:55)
CTC, Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote a book about you about 150 years ago and its called The Idiot. Try reading about yourself sometime.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
Obviously you are not ALbanian because you can't recognize a Greek comment from a Serbian comment. In fact, you are not European in general, not that your ethnicity makes any difference to me. FYI B92 is definetely not a place Greeks chat with Serbs, you are right on this one. We have other sites for that, including FB pages for Greeks and Serbs. Now I don't know about other Greeks, but I saw a B92 article posted by Serbs on one of these FB pages and this is how I started posting comments here. So have no doubt that Serbs read the English version of B92, as well. In fact this is why people like you are here posting.
I think in your mind UN membership and recognition of independence are one. But they are not. A State can become a UN member without being internationally independent (in fact without being independent at all). India for example joined the UN before it became independent form the UK. In fact, it was not even sure if and when India would become independent. Apart from that, it's even the international law that prohibits UN membership from becoming equivalent to international independence: "UN is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government". This is what the Law says and you can find it even in the UN's site. So with or without UN membership for Kosovo, independence will never come unless Serbia agrees to.
(Nikolle, 31 December 2014 12:17)
Lad, I can say what I like on this Serb-based media site because I am a Serb unlike you. However, I used 20 Euros to give an example of the value that people were paid to attend demonstrations. Around late 1993/1994 Serbia went through a period of hyperinflation where the monthly inflation rate accelerating to one million percent or prices double every 2.3 days. I recall one person who had borrowed in 1990 a huge sum of money to purchase land paid off his debt in 1994 with three months wages.
The $30 was only a figure I used as I could have said $50 or $100. The west spent millions in Ukraine and it did not involve just printing leaflets or bribing officials. Why on God’s earth would Ukranians go out on mass to demonstrate in winter when they already experienced several years of governments who were western leaning and got nothing out of it?
I’ve come across some dumb arse in my time but you Albanians do take the cake. Russia is Germany’s largest trading partner and if Merkel was to mess with this, the German industrialists was not be happy and if you were not aware it’s the wealthy that pull the strings not the dumb smucks who vote mate. I’d love to see Merkel do something that would stop this trade and see how long she lasts as Chancellor.
“ unemployment would reach 3%.” “...average salary roughly the same..”. I see your taking the stuff your lot are selling, drugs.
You don’t live in Kosovo so what is your point?
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 20:17)
Stick to calling outpatiences to ask about their experiences during their stay in hospital.
I hate to burst your bubble but no EU member singly or collectively or even US have the capacity to conduct a war any more mate unless it’s a small defenceless country. On the UK front it does not have the capacity to fight off a cranky 90 year old granny - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117335/Just-how-big-is-Britains-debt-mountain.html.
“..Kosovo to help Serbia” the answer is no, but there is no room here to explain it to you.
On the issue of Kosovo and its economy, let me get this right Kosovo has today a GDP (PPP) of $9,500. Now how the f*** does a place like Kosovo have that when its official level of unemployment is 45%? Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of. Its annual budget contains 85% to 90% of funds from the EU.
The very fact that half of its people are recognised by the government as unemployed would surely sound some alarm bells ringing with the figure you quote? However, I could be wrong as these figures may have been compiled by the US dept of Labor who also claim the US has only 5.8% unemployment.
To all Serbs on the planet: Happy New Year from Greece! Срећна Нова Година свима ♥♥♥
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:52)
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Thank you. And to all the Greeks world wide I wish all the happiness and prosperity.
Happy new year to B92 and all the contributors. Let's start the new year fresh.
So lets say that Russia "wins in Ukraine" whatever that means, what will happen with Kosovo? Will Russia invade Kosovo to help Serbia "win in Kosovo"? Hahaha. Russia doesn't have the capacity to use its forces beyond its weak immediate neighbours. You really are an old senile fool. Yes Russia has nukes, but so do other countries, any nuclear war will mean the end of the world, so neither Serbia or Kosovo will no longer exist. And another thing, Russia doesn't have friends, only interests.
And yes there aren't many Western big businesses based in Kosovo, but we've seen how big Western business have conned and abused Serbia's economy by investing there and virtually taking all the profit. And I know that you like go on about how poor Kosovo is and it is poor by European standards, but here are some facts. Kosovo's GDP (PPP) per capita in 2008 was $2,300, it is now at $9,500 (almost 3x of Moldova's). When Kosovo separated from Serbia in 2008, Serbia's GDP (PPP) per capita was $8,200. That alone speaks volumes. But then again, it wasn't hard to make Kosovo's economy grow after how "successful" it was doing under Yugoslav/ Serbian rule. When you're starting at the bottom, the only way is up.
Willi Pfaff said "It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether."
Willi sounds like a sissy-he's whining, again.
I'm so glad this is bothering you soooooo.....much.
hahahahahhaha
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
-- Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty. So what is our incentive here to want to be part of Serbia?
Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
-- Sure they do. Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery.
-- Sure. No problem. Kosovo's economy has been growing it separated from Serbian terror. But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. What do us mere mortals now?
Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
-- Sure they do. Especially since time is inconsequential in the heavenly kingdom and for heavenly people. So the Serbs have time, money, God, law and Kosova on their side. Then what's the problem? I can't see it.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
My reference is to you as a Serb and not where you live. I do not buy the sudden emergence of "Greek" supporters that suddenly appeared here. Most people in the English version are not from Serbia. Serbs in Serbia view the Serbian version of b92.
Now it your ignorance that shines here. China's decision on anything will not affect their position on Tibet or Taiwan. They will forever have veto power in the UNSC and they can and will use it should either want anything from the UN. Russia will be Russia and its stance has more to do with its relationship with the west and not Serbia, should Putin fall the support for Serbia may fall with it.
The other countries are insignificant, a formal recognition only means a shift of numbers. If Kosovo makes it to a vote before the UNGA it matters not if they have 108 supporters or 180 it is still more than the required half for a membership vote.
The remarks about Montenegro was simply to show that recognition is not high on the priority list of many countries.
None of the 5 EU countries are strong enough to really show a resistance to what the majority of EU wants(especially Greece) so when it is necessary those votes will come.
The other conflicts you mention were conflicts long before anyone knew what Kosovo was and will be so long afterward. Albania taking Kosovo would be stealing, people living on the land voting to no longer be a part of Serbia is self determination. big difference.
But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
Say you are right, and that what? Should Kosovo give up the 108 recognitions and go back under Serbia because, according to you, 75 countries have not recognized it?! So, really not sure what is the action step that you are suggesting to Kosovo based on your analysis above?!
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
we don't really read darling, so you think we would waste our time like that? You are so well known as**oles that we just vote down every time we see your nick name.
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Hmm, how do we explain then that Taiwan is recognized by only 20-30 countries is still much richer than, say, China?! It appears that the reality does not fit with your theory, which means that your theory is garbage :)
Anyway, Kosovars are happy with 108 recognitions vs 0 recognitions when they were under Serbia. So if they are happy relative to the past, who cares what you say!
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Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Sure, BRICS has much more money but also many more mouths to feed. So what it is your point?
You do understand that Greece is a country and not a city or a region in Serbia, right? Though it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't, given the giganntic amount of ignorance you provide in your answer.
75 is a way bigger number than 20. Now apart from that and regarding the quality or the power of some of those 75: Russia and China suport Serbia. If China recognizes Kosovo, China will automatically cause itself diplomatic problems with Tibet and Taiwan, since both seek independence. So China will never recognize Kosovo and therefore China supports Serbia on this one. 5 EU countries do the same. No one can force Spain for istance to recognize Kosovo, because if Spain does so, Catalans and Vasques will ask independence from Spain in 24 hours. Montenegro is a totally difference case than Kosovo, don't get confused. The majority of countries on the planet didn't have their own possible "Montenegro" to deal with in the future. But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple. Did youa ctually think that you could steal land from a country and get away with it?
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
As far as Ukraine goes, I guess it depends on what you call win and lose. Crimea is probably for all intents and purposes gone. It is not an important enough issue for anyone to intervene militarily as why would anyone fight to return the land when the overwhelming majority want to be in Russia. If the people of Crimea decide otherwise it may be different. The rest of Ukraine will probably be unstable for years or decades, is that what you call a win? Russia's problems with the pipeline which initiated the idea of south stream has just multiplied astronomically.
Any win in Ukraine means nothing in the Kosovo game. Ukraine is a border state and part of the Russian zone. Kosovo's connection to Russia is merely that of support for Serbia, there is a huge margin of difference between supporting an issue and going to war for it. If Russia was going to do something it would have before it progressed this far. And they have said time and time again that they cannot be more Serbian that Serbia.
The only way you would be right is if there IS a WW3, and then who knows how the spoils will be split up, and then you would probably be best worried about your home and not your so called homeland. As a western supporter Australia would probably be a Russian target.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. Somebody uses a proxy server like 'Hide my Ass' https://www.hidemyass.com/servers which enables the user to hide and change his/her ip number, which identifies ther user/ commentator on the internet. B92 so far only let one user with his real ip number vote once, and if that person tried to vote again with his ip number, the vote simply wasn't counted.
With this vpn software the person actually has access to 98,926 different ip addresses, and could vote that many times without B92 even noticing it.
So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results. There are also lots of other softerware tools like the one mentioned above on the market, and one of the serb ultra nationalists / fascists is using one of those systems to fake the comments voting.
It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
There are still some 20 countries that have not recognized Montenegro, does that mean they are not independent? You Serbs claim everything, if not a UN member not independent, if not recognized by everyone, not independent, if not recognized by Serbian not independent. But the fact of the matter is that Kosovo is dependent on Serbia for nothing, and Serbia has no control over Kosovo in any way. It is recognized by all the countries that it needs to do business with and every organization it needs to be a member of. The rest is just icing on the cake. Instead of concerning yourself about the 75 countries that have not established diplomatic ties with Kosovo you should concern yourself with the majority of countries in the world that says Serbia is dead wrong and Kosovo is an independent country.
See you cannot say truthfully that 75 countries support Serbia by not recognizing Kosovo. The truth is you have about 30 that do so the rest just have not had a reason to enter into the discussion as it in no way affects them. Maybe a shocker to you but Serbia is not the center of the universe and on a daily basis, people concern themselves with matters that are important to them.
There is only one or two countries that matter. At present Russia will not allow Kosovo, more due to the US than Serbia. China would probably abstain from a vote. The EU countries will work out by the time it matters.
As a strong supporter of Kosovo independence on a Serbia hosted website, I have always been disappointed in the number of votes for and against my comments as it would seem natural that the majority of readers would be opposed to my comments. It is nice to see that it has been corrected.
I don't think anyone comes on here to try and convince the others they are wrong, but more to dispel the myths.
But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task. So to Ian, willi, Nikolle, and others take pride in those "no" votes. As a matter of fact when you reread your comments vote no so it looks even more impressive.
"Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier"
We all know that, Willi Silly. After all, it's obvious from the votes that you get and the ones that Ari gets. Now go bully one of the EU fellow commenters, Serbia is not an EU memebr State and thanks to people like you, it will never become because Serbs are smart enough to know that GU and G-euro are not a solution for them.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak
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Nobody who is old enough to have a married grandson would say it that way.
You are not fooling anybody.
Now put your crappy white cap on and move to your own site. You are not more Serb or as old as that than I am Albnian.
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 12:22)
Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier who, as Boom also mentioned furher down, represents the typ of person who is a looser in real life, and tries to get some attention through his redicules claims.
The only thing I ever said is, that I would be the first one who would condem it if it was ever proven to be true.
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
Smrt Fasizmu!
(Ari Gold, 31 December 2014 00:52)
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
I understand that your grandson and his wife cannot live happily ever after in Serbia or in Albania and that's a big problem. But this is why all parents in the world explain to their children why marrying someone from their country's enemy is not wise. Just because you and your children failed to explain that to your gdandson and raise him properly it doesn't mean you have the right to lecture any of us about how we should defend our country. Obviously you are not Serb, even if your DNA is Serbian. But the rest of us are Serbs in everything, including our hearts. You accuse Serbs from diaspora of being "safely patriots", since it's easy for them to lecture about Serbia without living here. But each of these Serbs is more of a Serb than you will ever become. KosMet is SERBIA. If Albanians ever realize that then maybe, just maybe, we can all forgive, forget and live happily ever after, including your grandson and his wife. But until that day comes, get a life and get off our backs.
yep, you've been saying many things sj, like paid 20.00 EURO's in 1994, Ukrainian protesters paid a rate of $30.00 plus a hot meat, German industrialists plotting Merkel's downfall, Serbia will get back Vukovar, none of which has ever happened or is going to happen. i'm going to go even further than you, even if Russia goes all the way to Serbia (and its never going to happen), Kosovo is still not going back. what you will have left, are stories about Dushan to console you at night.
As for industries, there is no doubt that Kosovo is poor. Thing is though, there are are things in motion here, like Fox Marble a UK mining company focused exclusively here, employing locals here. what you need to do is compare it to what industry was there here when Belgrade was in charge? none.
as for youth leaving, yes it is a problem which not one person will hide from. however, Kosovo as a state has only been in existence 6 years, not one person has ever thought that by year 6 unemployment would reach 3%. the asylum figures which undoubtedly show a hight number of Albanians, also show a significant number of Serbs. so things are not rosy in the heavenly state either. as a matter of fact, the average salary in Serbia is roughly the same or maybe 20 EURO's higher than it is in Kosovo.
i note though that you do not deny that Kosovo doesn;t mean so much to you that you'd be willing to give up your life in Australia for it and frankly, you'd be stupid to
sunshine, i'm using sj as an example to show that mr Nikolic is wrong. Serbs will not choose poverty for holy Kosmet. they've made assertions similar to this before, we will fight to the death for Krajina and all that, they don't fight to the death, they flee
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
I answered your question now answer mine tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated to Pristina?
I note no comment on your youth leaving Kosovo.
"neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues" Nikolle
If I were you I would be less concerned about SJ's ethnicity (you do know the difference between ethnicity and nationality, right?) and more concerned about the nationality that the Albanians in Kosovo claim to have. See, they no longer identify themselves as Albanians, but as Kosovars...After all the dirty work Albania has done to get Kosovo out of Serbia's reach and those ungrateful little monkeys have the nerve to say that they are not Albanians! Well, after listening 10 years ago Albanians in Kosovo claiming that Kosovo would become the official 51st State of the US, everything else sounds normal in my ears. We are about to experience such an interesting decade in the Balkans. Albanians in Kosovo will soon become "Albanians in denial".
Nothing you wrote there sj makes me change my mind that you would not live in penury for holy Kosmet and of course, why would you? neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues.
"Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo?"
this is a basic tool that everyone uses when they have no retort to anything. by the same token, why are you posting on the English version of B92 and not just focusing on the Serbian version if Kosovo is a part of Serbia? Why are you posting here at all if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? why do you call yourself sj if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? anyone can play this game. i stand by what I said, Serbs would not chose poverty for Kosmet, just like thery chose fleeing as opposed to fighting for Krajina
Just because your grandson has a bad taste for women it doesn't mean that Serbs should give away what's theirs and what was defended by their ancestors' blood. As for the Albanian history...Coca Cola has a longer history in Europe than Albania. Albanians are indeed ancient though, their nation originates in Northern Azerbaijan, where 26 Albanian tribes formed a State which was in fact independent until 400 BC. They came to Europe many years later through Anatolians (Ottomans). By the way, I don't believe sh*t about your ethnicity. It's clear to everyone that you are a desperate Albanian with no personal life, no interests and a lot of hate for Serbia. Shame on you.
Everyone is poor except the Albanians in Kosovo. How could I not see that?
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit. Kosovo belongs to Serbs from Serbia and they are the ones who will not let it go and I support them.
“...you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?”
Last time I heard young Albanians are leaving Kosovo on mass because there is nothing for them so I’m not sure what you mean by this statement.
Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo? I think you spend more time trying to convince yourself by constantly posting on B92. Here is an idea why not start a media site for Albanians? That way you don’t have to post here.
Now tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated?
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality.
(Dardan USAlbania, 30 December 2014 09:56)
Here is an article by Albanian daily Albeu http://english.albeu.com/news/news/only-4-states-recognized-kosovo-in-2014/179631/ confirming that only 4 countries recognized your proclamation and that 2014 was your worst year in that regard. So what it shows is that those who were going to recognize it already did back in 08. This was obvious as a clear racial bias of Western policy in the Balkans continued when the Western gov'ts failed to succeed in legalizing the amputation at the UN.
No I promise you, I am more fearful of how much Belgrade will concede. They already have done a lot of damage in my opinion and agreeing to EULEX and the Brussels agreement did a lot more bad than anything YOU could do.
It's all about Belgrade at this point. Your stillborn project has reached its peak a few years ago.
To all of you who find sj and Ari Gold boring nuisances, do not feel alone. Being Serb, I am completely ashamed of their ridiculous statements. They in no way represent the average Serb and most probably have never been to Serbia. A sure way to frustrate them and make them stop posting on B92 is to IGNORE them. Do not respond to them in any manner. This is a proven method that will eliminate clowns like Ari and sj from this forum. These are the type of people we all avoid at social gatherings, they crave attention and make controversial statements to become noticed. After awhile people stop inviting them to private gatherings and they then turn to public forums just to annoy people. There is as simple solution to this toxic environment: IGNORE sj and Ari Gold.
Happy New Year!
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 12:20)
You finally got it. That's all Kosovo cares about - not to be controlled by Serbia. They don't have any problem to be controlled even by the devil, as long as it is not Serbia.
If you believe what Putin says then you should also believe that Litvinenko's favorite drink was polonium. I already told you what my opinion is: The same solution that Montenegro & Serbia have.If Serbs in Montenegro and Serbs in Serbia cannot get along enough to live in the same country why should Albanians live under the oppression of the serbs that butchered us in 1999?It is hypocritical and criminal to ask Albanians to live with serbs when even serbs don't want to live with serbs.It is hypocritical to ask Albanians to live under serbia when all the other slavic people of ex-Yougoslavia don't want to have anything to do with the serbs. So please stop going around in circles with the nonsense of offering solutions based on the model of how Chinese people solve the problems with other Chinese people in H.Kong & Taiwan or how West Germans solve their problems with the east Germans. Those solutions apply to people of the same ethnicity. And in case of Kosovo those solutions will be appropriate if Albanians in Albania had a problem with Albanians in Kosovo,which is not the case.
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:27)
Sure, that's easy... If you want to hear those words to be happy, sure, the LAND BELONGS TO SERBIA (whatever that means). So, I assume now you are good with Serbia to stay out of Kosovo's business and Kosovo to stay out of Serbia's business.
@Peggy
...Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?...
No, she did not , but I lived many years in Kosovo and we had happy life with albanian neighbors until politicians and myths from the dark ages screwed up evth.
Taiwan & PR China have the "One-China" policy, both agree there is only one China but there are two governments. However PR China says it WILL have control of Taiwan by 2020.
There will be peace between Kosovo and Serbia, just like there is peace now. Serbia is powerless to have a conflict with Kosovo, it isn't in a position to go into combat.
You say it is a frozen conflict, but Kosovo would disagree with you. Of course Kosovo finds Serbia's non-recognition an inconvenience but for them, there is no conflict or dispute; it is Serbia which has the problem & believes that Kosovo's independence is illegal. Kosovo would disagree & say that its independence isn't illegal as no international organisation or international court has found their independence to be illegal; Kosovo would use the ICJ ruling in their favour.
I don't think Kosovo's & Serbia's futures will be "miserable", both economies are steadily growing. Of course neither have the best economies in Europe. You can't expect either of them to have an amazing economies after 40+ years of socialism that was followed by a sudden transition to capitalism which itself was interrupted by the conflicts of the 90s.
What IS HAPPENING as a "solution" is almost a cross between the solutions between Northern Ireland (UK) & Republic of Ireland and East Germany & West Germany. I would explain how, but if I were, I could easily end up writing an entire book on the subject.
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
It's hard, but not impossible. Birth rates can change very sharply. For example, since Putin has been in power, Russia's birth rate has increased significantly, saving Russia from sure disaster when it comes to demographics.
Let's look at the facts, even today there are twice as many Serbs in the Balkans as there are Albanians. It has always been a myth peddled that there are "2 million Albanians in Kosovo", and today more Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija than they ever did in the 90s.
Now take into account the Jews who came to resettle Israel and they had to come from all over the world. So it can be done, maybe not today, but in the future. Probably right now its best to focus on the economy & growth and making sure the Serbs already in Kosovo-Metohija stay. The rest can be figured out later.
Me personally, if I was in charge, I would simply pay Serbs to go live there. God knows they would deserve it given the constant danger and oppression Serbs face in the occupied province. That would be easy to set up too with online bank accounts and what not. But one thing at a time.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:45)
You seem to be a sincere person, but I do not believe you take all the facts into your thought process. As mentioned before the more than autonomy less than independence was NEVER offered by Serbia and there has never been a clarification as to what that meant. The Taiwan example is not exactly right either. This was a phrase that Jeremic came up with once all talks had been exhausted (not that he created it but was the first to say it in a public forum). It was used once that it was set that when Kosovo announced independence the west would support it. It was always believed it was more a stall tactic as there was nothing to tell what was meant nor was it presented at the table at any time. The closest thing to that would be a confederation and Serbia said that was totally unacceptable just as was independence.
The other question was what guarantee is there that Serbia would not revoke this as they did in the past. The Albanians have entered into several international memberships, recognized by more than half the world the only thing Serbia is blocking is UN membership and any deal such as what you offer would not yield that either. Taiwan is not a UN member. And actually Kosovo and Serbia are closer to the Taiwan/China relationship now than under a proposal you suggest. Neither recognizes the others authority.
As far as Putin, just because he says, does not mean it is an accepted statement. There are no similarities in the two.
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies. Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery. Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
(boom, 30 December 2014 18:42)
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Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?
How did you learn it. From your own parents perhaps? How does a Serb living in Belgrade get to speak Albanian fluently just because he has an Albanian in-law?
If she did teach you to speak Albanian fluently then bravo for her.
Far be it that the Serbs are a world power. ( I actually chuckled at that one) and I cannot say if the Serbians as a nation are a caring people, but I, as a serb with many Albanian friends (We work, eat & play futbal together) DO care because we all have family & friends back home.
Putin has OPENLY stated that Crimea was & IS possible because of Kosovo. HE said it, not me.
My main point here is this: UNLESS Serbians & Albanians work together to come up with a solution that appeases BOTH, you will ALWAYS have a threat of conflict because one side feels slighted over the other.
This is a proven fact. I have small kids at home, try favoring one over the other and see what happens after....unless you satisfy BOTH, one way or another, you will never have peace.
I could only come up with the Tiawan example, but I would be more than happy to hear what you can offer...to appease everybody.
BOTH Albanians & Serbians have become pawns & tools for other powers to play with and use! Both are proud people with very long histories and deserve better.Instead of being cannon fodder for everybody else, lets work out a deal that works for both, shake hands and start building a foundation on rock, not sand.
FYI - I didn't know I was a Serb until war broke out in Jugoslavia.My parents raised me as a Jugoslavian. I am fortunate enough to work with many ethnic backgrounds and enjoy it.
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
(Elena, Greece, 30 December 2014 09:08)
Elena we don't need to. We have the West with us, Serbia has authoritarian, dictatorships, bankrupt and countries based on medieval caste systems. Those who support us, while not perfect have societies that are fairer. This is what we are striving to emulate. Serbia emulates Russia, China, Venezuela; societies where one part of society kills, persecutes,and mistreats anything they deem as other, different, " not like us".
As for your other statement that's pure nonsense. Kosova was not paradise on earth when Serbia had it under total control. Its definitely better now. So where is the incentive. I constantly hear the incessant cacophony of the Serbs about how good it would be if Kosova was under Serbia. I have yet to hear one thing that will be better for Albanians under that scenario than what we have now.Especially under a bankrupt,impoverished, xenophobic country like Serbia.
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
i agree with you.
However, even if the Serbs choose the stupid way, as they did in 1999, they would be crushed. The Serb military has been degraded not what it was in the past. Also, there are many Serbian Mothers in Black living in Belgrade and other parts of Serbia. Few would allow their remaining sons to come home in body bags.
@ A new day & Ian UK,
Very good debating points. Thanks for replying with cool heads....
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia. Thats how the Tiawan system is set up...China has no say in what Tiawan does..Tiawan does business with whoever and wherever they want.
Both are OK with the deal.
If things stay how they are now, can you realistically see peace for our offspring? Again,not saying the Albanians will be happy because the Serbs are not happy about it either, but it's a way out of this frozen conflict.
Under that plan, investments would open up for Kosovo & Serbia. If the Albanians were able to build a sucessful economy and show the world and Serbia they were capable, I think that would be wonderful for everybody, Serbia included.
Other than that, I think Serbia & Albanians are in for a miserable future.
Again, thanks for listening
Nikolic should stop talking. Everyone can see that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia any more, eventhough on paper it still may be and that is the crux of the matter.
Sometimes it is better to accept your losses and move on. Serbia is better of without Kosovo and Kosovo is better of without Serbia. If he could utter those words then we can all accept closure of a bitter 'divorce' and move on and build a future.
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 23:37)
Common man. Stop acting like you serbs are in charge of world order.Stop acting like you serbs care what happens in other disputed areas of the globe. You know what has happened in the world because Kosovo declared independence? Nothing. Scotland voted against independence. You know what has happened because Putin wants to show how big is d.ck is? Georgia and Ukraine get invaded.
@ cry me a river
..Boom, aren't you tired of pretending to be a Serb? Because we certainly are…
Boom does not give a dam of what you think. I have been around a long time and have seen it all, Tito, Slobo, the war and democracy, and am still hanging on in the heart of Belgrade.
You and your friends, are in all probability welfare collecting spoiled kids in EU, US or other developed countries.
Because your life is so empty of any personal achievement and your ignorance so great, you come here to vomit your hatred against Albanians calling for the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo because somewhere , someone told you about the battle of Kosovo in 1389 and all other mythological garbage pretending we have some historical claim to this desolate land today.
I have studied and researched our history and that of Albanians too, as written by independent scholars, and no matter how you look at it historically, Albanians are one the most ancient peoples of Europe, have been in their lands for thousand of years,their language is unique, probably mother tongue of Greek and Latin languages and their culture just as rich as that of their neighbors.
Trying to belittle them as sub-human as most of you try to do here, tells more about who we are than who they are.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
willi pfaff said, "If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals."
Laugh of the day......
Willi is pissed he is getting so many negative votes on B92. Get a life!
The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
Watcher a few questions: You say the Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy. they had that before Milosevic plus equal voting power as Serbia in the federal govt of Yugoslavia, so now what does more than this (or autonomy) mean that would still be less than independence?
Also is Serbia ready for Kosovo to have an equal say in all international dealings?
and most importantly,
What guarantees would exist to prevent Serbia from doing the exact same thing again that they did under Milosevic and revoke any autonomy?
Now you claim Serbia will always own the land, Today Serbia claims they own the land, but they do not have any physical, political, economic or military control over the land. They do not have unlimited freedom of movement for their leaders over the land of Kosovo. They must obtain permission to visit, and more than once they have been denied entrance.
Under those conditions it is even more foolish for Serbs to claim they own the land than any argument you could give that it is foolish for Kosovo to claim independence.
Even with Atasari plan Serbs have some form of Autonomy inside Kosovo, where they have their own schools health care but they will not get what RS has as it has been proven it does not work. Now Serbian Politicians (Pelicans :) will say that but to the contrary there will be no Veto of Serbs starting with next election no reserve seats.
There are very few Serbs in Kosovo as they prefer to live in BG, biggest theft of Serbian funds are hapening with Serbs in KS read insider and Serbian version of B92 you see the opinion of Serbs form Serbia and if you do not speak Serbian just google translate. it is not perfect but it does the just of it.
Well if Kosovo isn't "independent" because it is dependent on the West, then by that logic there isn't an "independent" country in the Balkans because they're all dependent on the West. Only last week did the EU give Serbia €175 Million to help out Serbian farmers. So much for "Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments".
Kosovo albanians get part of Kosovo and poverty, Kosovos barely functioning economy is now contracting and EU has given in and given the Serbs a republika Srpska in Kosovo. So much for what Thaci was saying that they would get all of Kosovo and no Serb autonomy.
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 04:54) Serbia to Repopulate Kosovo?
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
When is your last time you visited Serbia outside BG, Novi Sad or Nis? Man Serbia looses 40K people just in Serbia a year.
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
Oh dear, Serbia is poor already. However, I have noticed that all that ranting and raving of a reply didn't address my point; you the self-confessed-Serb (Australian with an identity crisis in fact) would not sacrifice your life style in Australia for holy Kosmet. neither would your father and why would he? neither would Ari Gold. So Nikolic can make claims like the one in the this article all he likes, but they're not true. I remember in the early 90's it was another claim: "we'd rather die than give up Krajina". it wasn't true was it? you'd rather not die, you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?
we have the backing of the united states of america and the most influnental politicians in the US and that will not change because of this we have also the backing of almost all EU countrys because they are all satelite states of usa including germany since world war 2 ended also the serbian government knows it very well. serbia wants to join the EU? they need to meet the criteria the EU sets if not they will never join. imagine if serbia in midle of europe chooses the EAST (russia,china) and the US and EU imposes sanctions against serbia? serbia would go bankrupt within 72 hours and we would see 100% mass protests in belgrade begging for "EU integration"
kosovo is gone not since 2008 but since 1999 and im sure most of serbs including politicians knows that very well.
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia. But the the Albanian community are certainly dependent in every single way.
Dependent on Serbia's government first and foremost to help prop up Pristina institutions. Dependent on Western tax payers to help finance all of this just to end up still deeply impoverished. Billions have been donated to Kosovo-Metohija and without it, things would go from bad to dire.
Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments which you support because of your unhealthy complex for God knows what reason has sponsored the kosovar project. This has helped in the beginning, but it did not receive the legalization it needs on the world stage in order to be a real country. Now its up to Serbia's weak elite to not give in to capitulation but its plain as day that this is the strategy now.
You just think YOU have the right to decide what countries should be dismembered (Serbia), what countries ought to stay together (Croatia, Bosnia, Ukraine), what rebellions to oppose (eastern Ukraine) and what rebellions to support (the Islamist Jihad against Assad and Syria). That's because you operate out of a space of bigotry and hatred, not principle.
the continued fake voting scam here on B92 just shows once more the poor state Serbia is in. Supporting fascist movements, unwilling to report the truth, and a press which manipulates public opinion. If B92 had any backbone, they would have reported on the obviuous highjacking of their english web site and discontinued the voting system for as long as they are unable to fix that problem. But no, you pretend that everything is fine, and show your lack of democratic understanding. Serbia can't be an EU member if it acts like this and violates basic rules of journalism. Just look at when these manipulations happen, and you will notice that they come most likley from somebody in the US. That limits down the potential violators to a few die hard serb fascists enjoying living a good life in the west, and trying to stirr up problems for ordenary serb citizens. If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals.
Serbia will never be poor. In fact your allies the Germans are breaking their necks to open industry in Serbia proper, but last time I read the west has not opened a can of coke in Kosova.
Nikolic’s statement is an expression that the Serb people are willing to tough it out if necessary. The EU is s****** itself over Serbia in fear that it will turn to Russia and the EU will except Serbia’s position and that is what Albanians in Kosovo fear the most.
However, regardless all of this theoretical since Ukraine will fall and then its Europe. They are not fighting over Ukraine because it’s a nice holiday spot. The dice are rolling and its winner takes all. So far the west has bankrupt itself in fighting losing wars and if the US continues the current path, the demonstrations will look like a picnic compared to what’s to come.
THERE’S ALWAYS SOME CHOICE LIKE “rather be poor than without Kosovo"
I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail …
I'd rather be a hammer than a nail …
I'd rather be a forest than a street….
A man gets tied up to the ground
He gives the world
Its saddest sound,
Its saddest sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVoDNjzZlbY
OR
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell
And did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change ?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8mr-gcgoI
For Serbia to "give back Kosovo", it would first have to have Kosovo which it doesn't. How can you give something you don't have? Just because Serbia has a territorial claim over Kosovo doesn't mean Serbia "has" Kosovo.
And as to your "less than Independence, more than autonomy" argument, that was already rejected as was "99% independence". What does Serbia have that will make Kosovo give up its independence? What can Serbia give Kosovo which it doesn't already have? Serbia's refusal to recognise Kosovo as well as Serbia getting her allies to try and attempt to isolate Kosovo is an annoyance for Kosovo but it is a bearable annoyance. It hasn't stopped Kosovo from being independent, all it achieved was slowing down Kosovo's international integration. It is a bitter nuisance campaign at best.
But saying all that, even though it wouldn't happen in a million years, I think it'd be hilarious if Kosovo were to become apart of Serbia. Imagine that, 1.5+ Million of age Albanian voters. Serbia would really struggle to form a Government without Albanian political parties, Serbia would be politically crippled by the Albanians blocking everything the same way Bosnia is politically crippled by the Serbs being able to block things. Be careful what you wish for because it might just come true.
well sj, you are proving my point. Nikolic claims Serbs would prefer to be poor than lose holy Kosmet, so do you prefer to prefer to live in poverty if it meant Serbia keeps Kosovo? I submit that you don't and of course, you'd be stupid to
"I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?" - Atlla
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
Explain to me what has the “international community” done for Kosova since 1999 and please no crap about freedom since you can’t cook and eat it. What industry have they opened in Kosova? When did they do this?
On the issue of Albanians being there from time immemorial there is no archaeological proof at all. There are Roman ruins, Serb churches and other structures and Turkish buildings but not one that can be traced back to Albanians or for that matter a connection between Albanians and Illyrians. Yes there are plenty of dubious texts making this claim but no proof.
You say that important countries recognise Kosova, but why don’t they do something about the so called official level of unemployment of 45%? But are they the same countries which lost a war in Afghanistan and now trying to dislodge Russia from Ukraine? If they are, then they are not doing a very good job on any front.
I would not hold my breath about a Kosova army since it requires money unless you intend to bring back the horse cavalry. Lad, Thaci is just jerking your chain with this army business.
Who are you trying to convince with all this? I fell your trying to convince yourself no one else.
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality. You still think those countries will change their mind, in fact they're calling on other remaining countries to recognise us. You need an ambulance now?...sorry i forgot, yugo not starting in cold weather, make your way to hospital somehow as Toma said you rather live in poverty.
always suspected you lived in a hospital sj.
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 23:06)
Suspect away mate, but I repeat I was born in Australia and English is my first language, but you were not born in the country that you live in, but now pretend you are in Kosovo but the closest you get to that sink hole is via the internet.
This is addressed to Mark and Demi and other Kosovo Albanians who thinks along the lines of Mark and Demi.Whether you agree or disagree Kosovo is in semi independent status today.You have authority to do everything needed to enhance prosperity of your people.You are still under the UN resolution 1244 and NATO presence.Kosovo international borders are in control of Serbian authority.To change that you would have to go to UNSC,present you case and ask for full sovereign independent State of Kosovo.Fruitless and endless arguments outside of UNSC will not change anything.I certainly was looking in all of the recorded history and I could not find that Kosovo Albanian State ever existed in any form.In the mean time take it easy on Serbian Churches and Monasteries.I do not think anybody in Europe attacking any churches the way you do in Kosovo.
it is not some kind of great or grand ideal. it is a sick obsession, it has become something deranged, it is built on lies and hypocrisy and genocide.
kosovo has nothing to do with serbia's Jerusalem, it is just a desperate strategy by the chetniks to build Israeli allies. with some success, though israeli intellectuals and human rights advocates are not impressed.
and speaking of Jerusalem, it is the holy city to so many ppl, and yes, we need to be able to share it. to protect it. to stop using it as an excuse for butchering one another.
i have never met one Kosovar who would accept the return of serbian colonial rule, in any way, on any level. whatever their religion, politics, social class. they ALL know what it would mean. even though many of us are less than thrilled with kosovo's current leadership - we can't blame the belgrade regime for everything. there is a good new article from the albanian american civic society promoting democracy and the building of civil institutions inside kosovo.
the political leadership of serbia is bankrupt, and the ppl deserve better. don't accept these fools, and allow the chetnik mystique to rule and endlessly oppress the balkans...
"At this time it is not a requirement, but no one knows what will happen in 10 or 15 years," concluded the diplomat.
Do you have to be exceptionally clever to understand that statement?
The problem with Serbian politicians is that they haven't got the guts to tell or accept the truth openly to Serbian people. The paradox is that none of these politicians can do anything "to return Kosovo to Serbia". These stupid very stupid slogan of Serbian President that Serbian people will choose poverty...and all this crap, remind me the Albanian brutal dictator Enver Hoxha saying once upon a time "we will starve/eat grass not to betray the principles of Marxism Leninism....and he "was right" like Nikolic living in a nice luxury and illusion life....Albanians will never negotiate with Serbs about what they have achieved. I hope there would be no need for me to simply further my comment to Nikolic and those who follow him.
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago.
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
There aren't 2 million people in total that have ever lived in Kosovo-Metohija at one time. Today, with the Presevo valley, there are probably 1.4 million Albanians. It has ALWAYS been a myth that was peddled about this 2 million crap. In fact, ironically, the time period in which most Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija is not some phantom ethnic cleansing in the 90s, but right now actually. Albanians are leaving to settle in the West.
So Serbia should just wait. Focus on repopulating Kosovo-Meothija with Serbs again, especially those who were ethnically cleansed. If the Community of Serb Municipalities is the way to do that, to temporarily work within your system, so be it. And just wait. Serbia is already in the UN, it doesn't have to concede for anything. EU membership will never come for Serbia with or without Kosovo-Metohija.
And Willi Pfaff the Nazi dinosaur, next time you are visiting your heroin republic, look up this guy in Mitrovica, he's been kind of a hit lately. I think you will too will get along famously! http://nation.com.pk/snippets/27-Dec-2014/hitler-charges-60-for-photographs
Put it on a referendum and I promisse you Niqkolic, you will be proved wrongg...such a uneducated statement. Kosovo is gone anyways so be rich than,oh and by the way even if you enter the EU,you will still be the same.
Т.Н.Грановский: "Султан располагал ЛУЧШЕЙ ПЕХОТОЙ В ЕВРОПЕ... СТРАНЕН БЫЛ СОСТАВ ЭТОЙ ПЕХОТЫ... Янычары... выигрывали все великие битвы, при Варне, при Косове, и они же овладели Константинополем. Таким образом, за счет ХРИСТИАНСКОГО народонаселения поддерживал турецкий султан могущество свое"
llir,You may have a Kosovo Passport but that does not mean anything. That can change very eazy with in a week.Take a good look at EU it's a mad dog chasing its tail and Kosovo is the rear end of the dog, going around and around.Sooner or later you will use Kosovo Passport to whap your rear end with, because you will have nothing left.Change in EU is coming and coming very quick and saddly it's not for the better.So be very nice to your neighbours.
Kosova is not an option for Serbia. Poverty can be.
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago. When you came from Russia we Albanians were already here in the Balkans. Reamember that!
But that is for historians. The reality today isthat Kosova is an independent state the same way as Serbia. It has all institutions an country can have (yes very soon an army too). Plus on top of that it is recognized by the most important countrys of the world.
Please don’t take Piff Phaff so serious. After his last reincarnation he got a German name but inside he remained the old and kelmending (to and fro) Albanian.
The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
The land never belonged to Serbia, even when there were 40 thousand Serbian troops there. There is no slavic land in the balkans. It is land that slavic hordes occupied in the 7th century. Open your eyes and see that even your brothers in Montenegro don't want to have anything to do with you serbs.
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?
Interesting point by German Ambassador saying in 10 or 15 years, it seems harmless but I think he knows that in 15 years Serbian leaders would be people who have different idea as they would be generation that grew up without Kosovo.
People of Balkan are fed up with nationalisam they need jobs and could care less for being poor.
We shall see but if I was living in Serbia as a Engineer i would vote not to be poor as even if Kosovo came back I would not benefit some Serbian elite would.
But its easy to speak about poverty with huge bank account!
Everybody knows that KIM is a special land for Serbian identity. But the counterpart use pressure instead diplomacy. Meanwhile I think there’s a small chance to make Serbs less emotional over the lands where they shed so much blood. I mean the battles on Kosovo Poljie had other than we are told context. Say in 1389 all the commanders on both sides were Orthodox Christians and even Scaliger history cannot conceal it. To say nothing that the "Serbian" side kept the battlefield and thus took the upper hand.
Moreover before 18-th century proto-Turks and Arabs were like slaves in what is known as Ataman Empire. Most of the Sultans , Khalifs and Pashas were either of Caucasian (Fatimide and other Dynasties) or Balkan origin while Murad II in fact was the Russian Khan Dmitry Donskoy. As a matter of fact Bayazed I is supposed to be his son Vasily (Bazilevs) … So I think that the Kosovo battle was just a part of the civil war inside the Great Horde and "Serbs" equally fought on both sides.
But today KIM problem reminds me of the situation over Crimea and Ukraine when the West accepts only one compromise – capitulation. Serbs are offered only one solution – surrender. But with such an approach the Albanian side has zero motivation for any real talks and so for the time being Serbia also has to be stubborn. How can they leave their people their graves their churches and monasteries ? So I expect progress only after the outcome of the Russia-NATO conflict becomes evident.
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The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
Serbians keep saying "never", yet keep giving away little by little.
Enough...Give the Albanians all they want...short of the deed to the land! Let's all move forward...Tiawan style.
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 17:13)
I was born where I live but you certainly are not. Even English is a second language to you but its not for me and your claim that you live in Kosova is pure Albo BS. I suggest you buy a mirror Mustapha.
You are already without Republic of Kosova for 15 years "darling". You can now either choose to be POOR like you are now or less poorer like you can potentially be if joining EU in the long future. Kosova has been, is , and always will be Albanian land. It was stolen and kept for some ages by serbs and turks, but Kosova will always be Albanian. We better start co-operating with each other, and look towards the future. We need to co-operate in science,medicine,sports etc like every other nation does with their neighbours, and not have the middle-ages ideologies of territories. Republic of Kosova is independent, get over it ! I do have a Republic of Kosova passport and I travel the world with it with no restrictions. Let's just look for the future, and let's make our countries a better place for our children ! I believe in peace. Long live people of Balkan. Long live Republic of Kosova. PEACE.
Any ambiguity about recognition of Kosovo as independent-sovereign State by Serbia should be eliminated.The word from Serbia and its people is EMFATICLY NO. If anyone from EU or EU State think that Kosovo should be independent sovereign state, should make legal request to UNSC.EU is not obligated by any laws to accept Serbia's application for membership.Serbia should always be receptive to discuss anything with Kosovo Albanians other then sovereinty
The problem is there are no riches waiting for Serbia for betraying Kosovo-Metohija. This was the premise that the far left EU fanatics posed that if Serbia betrayed it's national interests, prosperity was just around the corner. We have seen now after more than a decade of EU has no alternative policies that this is not the case.
We also can't pretend that Serbia's opinion doesn't matter. Serbia legalized EULEX and only Serbia can legalize amputation of its territory because Kosovo-Metohija is Serbia. EU knows this and that's why the constant pressure on Serbia to even implement the "kosovo constitution" as if it's ever been the job of one country to implement the laws of another.
Serbs back home must know that without sovereignty and independence, there can be no economic prosperity. Kosovo-Metohija= Srpski Jerusalem
Not in my name Mr. President.
I didn't not vote for you and I'd rather be rich and live well in a smaller developed Serbia than in an already third world country that Serbia has become with or without Kosovo.
You are a hypocrite Mr. President because you want US to be poor not yourself, and you will continue to live in luxury for the rest of your life.
It is like all socialist hypocrites who want to share the wealth for the good cause. What they have in mind is your wealth of course, not theirs.
Our obsession with this backward province is dragging our nation into abyss. Is is easy to claim Kosovo is Serbia but a different matter to explain to the people how can we get back Kosovo that has 90% albanians who dont want to live with us?
What is not being told to us is that only terrible war and expulsion of 90% albanian population will make that possible. So the question to our people should be:
Do we want to start another war against the people of Kosovo until we fully exterminate the whole albanian population?
If so, lets those fervent nationalists and politicians send their sons and daughters die in Kosovo polje, I want to live in peace.
The eu will not allow Serbia under any circumstances to keep Kosovo in its constitution! Now removing it won't necessarily mean recognition but no future government will have it. And 63% of Serbia according to b92 ipsos say Kosovo is independent.
If some Serbs would rather be poor than without Kosovo then shouldn't it mean that they've moved on and realized that there're more "pressing" matters than "losing" Kosovo? In this case overcoming or coping with poverty is more important than "bellyaching" about Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia. Life goes on if you know what I'm implying.
Serbia has lost Kosovo and prosperity too. Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia are poor and deserves to be poor, as long as they are so stupid not to understand that they are on the same boat.
The irony is when a "pagliaccio" like Nikolic is "selling" the poverty as heroic patriotism.
p.s.China is powerful, but it`s on the other side of the globe. Is it very clever to have one distant powerful friendship when all your neighbours are in NATO and EU?
Serbia wont be poor if they are smart and open their eyes ...china is the economy power in the world today, who cares what America and EU say anymore....wake up.....china ,Russia an the brics and their friends are it..
Ditching US dollar: China, Russia launch financial tools in local
currencies
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloombergview.com%2Farticles%2F2014-12-25%2Fchina-steps-in-as-worlds-new-bank&ei=6ZChVOmbC8KQyASM7oCgAw&usg=AFQjCNFpSLbc0a6pvD76QX7PL_3p-rZ3SA&sig2=CSeH4JXlnKMdTwYLq2uulQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.aWw
China steps in as the banker to call in a pinch
"Serbia would rather be poor than without Kosovo." Sounds like the statement of a rich politician out of touch with the average person who is already poor.
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
The problem is there are no riches waiting for Serbia for betraying Kosovo-Metohija. This was the premise that the far left EU fanatics posed that if Serbia betrayed it's national interests, prosperity was just around the corner. We have seen now after more than a decade of EU has no alternative policies that this is not the case.
We also can't pretend that Serbia's opinion doesn't matter. Serbia legalized EULEX and only Serbia can legalize amputation of its territory because Kosovo-Metohija is Serbia. EU knows this and that's why the constant pressure on Serbia to even implement the "kosovo constitution" as if it's ever been the job of one country to implement the laws of another.
Serbs back home must know that without sovereignty and independence, there can be no economic prosperity. Kosovo-Metohija= Srpski Jerusalem
Serbia wont be poor if they are smart and open their eyes ...china is the economy power in the world today, who cares what America and EU say anymore....wake up.....china ,Russia an the brics and their friends are it..
Ditching US dollar: China, Russia launch financial tools in local
currencies
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloombergview.com%2Farticles%2F2014-12-25%2Fchina-steps-in-as-worlds-new-bank&ei=6ZChVOmbC8KQyASM7oCgAw&usg=AFQjCNFpSLbc0a6pvD76QX7PL_3p-rZ3SA&sig2=CSeH4JXlnKMdTwYLq2uulQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.aWw
China steps in as the banker to call in a pinch
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 17:13)
I was born where I live but you certainly are not. Even English is a second language to you but its not for me and your claim that you live in Kosova is pure Albo BS. I suggest you buy a mirror Mustapha.
Any ambiguity about recognition of Kosovo as independent-sovereign State by Serbia should be eliminated.The word from Serbia and its people is EMFATICLY NO. If anyone from EU or EU State think that Kosovo should be independent sovereign state, should make legal request to UNSC.EU is not obligated by any laws to accept Serbia's application for membership.Serbia should always be receptive to discuss anything with Kosovo Albanians other then sovereinty
The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
Serbians keep saying "never", yet keep giving away little by little.
Enough...Give the Albanians all they want...short of the deed to the land! Let's all move forward...Tiawan style.
Everybody knows that KIM is a special land for Serbian identity. But the counterpart use pressure instead diplomacy. Meanwhile I think there’s a small chance to make Serbs less emotional over the lands where they shed so much blood. I mean the battles on Kosovo Poljie had other than we are told context. Say in 1389 all the commanders on both sides were Orthodox Christians and even Scaliger history cannot conceal it. To say nothing that the "Serbian" side kept the battlefield and thus took the upper hand.
Moreover before 18-th century proto-Turks and Arabs were like slaves in what is known as Ataman Empire. Most of the Sultans , Khalifs and Pashas were either of Caucasian (Fatimide and other Dynasties) or Balkan origin while Murad II in fact was the Russian Khan Dmitry Donskoy. As a matter of fact Bayazed I is supposed to be his son Vasily (Bazilevs) … So I think that the Kosovo battle was just a part of the civil war inside the Great Horde and "Serbs" equally fought on both sides.
But today KIM problem reminds me of the situation over Crimea and Ukraine when the West accepts only one compromise – capitulation. Serbs are offered only one solution – surrender. But with such an approach the Albanian side has zero motivation for any real talks and so for the time being Serbia also has to be stubborn. How can they leave their people their graves their churches and monasteries ? So I expect progress only after the outcome of the Russia-NATO conflict becomes evident.
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always suspected you lived in a hospital sj.
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 23:06)
Suspect away mate, but I repeat I was born in Australia and English is my first language, but you were not born in the country that you live in, but now pretend you are in Kosovo but the closest you get to that sink hole is via the internet.
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
Explain to me what has the “international community” done for Kosova since 1999 and please no crap about freedom since you can’t cook and eat it. What industry have they opened in Kosova? When did they do this?
On the issue of Albanians being there from time immemorial there is no archaeological proof at all. There are Roman ruins, Serb churches and other structures and Turkish buildings but not one that can be traced back to Albanians or for that matter a connection between Albanians and Illyrians. Yes there are plenty of dubious texts making this claim but no proof.
You say that important countries recognise Kosova, but why don’t they do something about the so called official level of unemployment of 45%? But are they the same countries which lost a war in Afghanistan and now trying to dislodge Russia from Ukraine? If they are, then they are not doing a very good job on any front.
I would not hold my breath about a Kosova army since it requires money unless you intend to bring back the horse cavalry. Lad, Thaci is just jerking your chain with this army business.
Who are you trying to convince with all this? I fell your trying to convince yourself no one else.
"I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?" - Atlla
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
This is addressed to Mark and Demi and other Kosovo Albanians who thinks along the lines of Mark and Demi.Whether you agree or disagree Kosovo is in semi independent status today.You have authority to do everything needed to enhance prosperity of your people.You are still under the UN resolution 1244 and NATO presence.Kosovo international borders are in control of Serbian authority.To change that you would have to go to UNSC,present you case and ask for full sovereign independent State of Kosovo.Fruitless and endless arguments outside of UNSC will not change anything.I certainly was looking in all of the recorded history and I could not find that Kosovo Albanian State ever existed in any form.In the mean time take it easy on Serbian Churches and Monasteries.I do not think anybody in Europe attacking any churches the way you do in Kosovo.
Serbia will never be poor. In fact your allies the Germans are breaking their necks to open industry in Serbia proper, but last time I read the west has not opened a can of coke in Kosova.
Nikolic’s statement is an expression that the Serb people are willing to tough it out if necessary. The EU is s****** itself over Serbia in fear that it will turn to Russia and the EU will except Serbia’s position and that is what Albanians in Kosovo fear the most.
However, regardless all of this theoretical since Ukraine will fall and then its Europe. They are not fighting over Ukraine because it’s a nice holiday spot. The dice are rolling and its winner takes all. So far the west has bankrupt itself in fighting losing wars and if the US continues the current path, the demonstrations will look like a picnic compared to what’s to come.
Kosovo albanians get part of Kosovo and poverty, Kosovos barely functioning economy is now contracting and EU has given in and given the Serbs a republika Srpska in Kosovo. So much for what Thaci was saying that they would get all of Kosovo and no Serb autonomy.
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality.
(Dardan USAlbania, 30 December 2014 09:56)
Here is an article by Albanian daily Albeu http://english.albeu.com/news/news/only-4-states-recognized-kosovo-in-2014/179631/ confirming that only 4 countries recognized your proclamation and that 2014 was your worst year in that regard. So what it shows is that those who were going to recognize it already did back in 08. This was obvious as a clear racial bias of Western policy in the Balkans continued when the Western gov'ts failed to succeed in legalizing the amputation at the UN.
No I promise you, I am more fearful of how much Belgrade will concede. They already have done a lot of damage in my opinion and agreeing to EULEX and the Brussels agreement did a lot more bad than anything YOU could do.
It's all about Belgrade at this point. Your stillborn project has reached its peak a few years ago.
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago.
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
There aren't 2 million people in total that have ever lived in Kosovo-Metohija at one time. Today, with the Presevo valley, there are probably 1.4 million Albanians. It has ALWAYS been a myth that was peddled about this 2 million crap. In fact, ironically, the time period in which most Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija is not some phantom ethnic cleansing in the 90s, but right now actually. Albanians are leaving to settle in the West.
So Serbia should just wait. Focus on repopulating Kosovo-Meothija with Serbs again, especially those who were ethnically cleansed. If the Community of Serb Municipalities is the way to do that, to temporarily work within your system, so be it. And just wait. Serbia is already in the UN, it doesn't have to concede for anything. EU membership will never come for Serbia with or without Kosovo-Metohija.
And Willi Pfaff the Nazi dinosaur, next time you are visiting your heroin republic, look up this guy in Mitrovica, he's been kind of a hit lately. I think you will too will get along famously! http://nation.com.pk/snippets/27-Dec-2014/hitler-charges-60-for-photographs
willi pfaff said, "If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals."
Laugh of the day......
Willi is pissed he is getting so many negative votes on B92. Get a life!
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia. But the the Albanian community are certainly dependent in every single way.
Dependent on Serbia's government first and foremost to help prop up Pristina institutions. Dependent on Western tax payers to help finance all of this just to end up still deeply impoverished. Billions have been donated to Kosovo-Metohija and without it, things would go from bad to dire.
Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments which you support because of your unhealthy complex for God knows what reason has sponsored the kosovar project. This has helped in the beginning, but it did not receive the legalization it needs on the world stage in order to be a real country. Now its up to Serbia's weak elite to not give in to capitulation but its plain as day that this is the strategy now.
You just think YOU have the right to decide what countries should be dismembered (Serbia), what countries ought to stay together (Croatia, Bosnia, Ukraine), what rebellions to oppose (eastern Ukraine) and what rebellions to support (the Islamist Jihad against Assad and Syria). That's because you operate out of a space of bigotry and hatred, not principle.
Just because your grandson has a bad taste for women it doesn't mean that Serbs should give away what's theirs and what was defended by their ancestors' blood. As for the Albanian history...Coca Cola has a longer history in Europe than Albania. Albanians are indeed ancient though, their nation originates in Northern Azerbaijan, where 26 Albanian tribes formed a State which was in fact independent until 400 BC. They came to Europe many years later through Anatolians (Ottomans). By the way, I don't believe sh*t about your ethnicity. It's clear to everyone that you are a desperate Albanian with no personal life, no interests and a lot of hate for Serbia. Shame on you.
llir,You may have a Kosovo Passport but that does not mean anything. That can change very eazy with in a week.Take a good look at EU it's a mad dog chasing its tail and Kosovo is the rear end of the dog, going around and around.Sooner or later you will use Kosovo Passport to whap your rear end with, because you will have nothing left.Change in EU is coming and coming very quick and saddly it's not for the better.So be very nice to your neighbours.
Everyone is poor except the Albanians in Kosovo. How could I not see that?
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit. Kosovo belongs to Serbs from Serbia and they are the ones who will not let it go and I support them.
“...you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?”
Last time I heard young Albanians are leaving Kosovo on mass because there is nothing for them so I’m not sure what you mean by this statement.
Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo? I think you spend more time trying to convince yourself by constantly posting on B92. Here is an idea why not start a media site for Albanians? That way you don’t have to post here.
Now tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated?
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
(boom, 30 December 2014 18:42)
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Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?
How did you learn it. From your own parents perhaps? How does a Serb living in Belgrade get to speak Albanian fluently just because he has an Albanian in-law?
If she did teach you to speak Albanian fluently then bravo for her.
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
It's hard, but not impossible. Birth rates can change very sharply. For example, since Putin has been in power, Russia's birth rate has increased significantly, saving Russia from sure disaster when it comes to demographics.
Let's look at the facts, even today there are twice as many Serbs in the Balkans as there are Albanians. It has always been a myth peddled that there are "2 million Albanians in Kosovo", and today more Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija than they ever did in the 90s.
Now take into account the Jews who came to resettle Israel and they had to come from all over the world. So it can be done, maybe not today, but in the future. Probably right now its best to focus on the economy & growth and making sure the Serbs already in Kosovo-Metohija stay. The rest can be figured out later.
Me personally, if I was in charge, I would simply pay Serbs to go live there. God knows they would deserve it given the constant danger and oppression Serbs face in the occupied province. That would be easy to set up too with online bank accounts and what not. But one thing at a time.
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
I answered your question now answer mine tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated to Pristina?
I note no comment on your youth leaving Kosovo.
Please don’t take Piff Phaff so serious. After his last reincarnation he got a German name but inside he remained the old and kelmending (to and fro) Albanian.
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies. Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery. Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
Т.Н.Грановский: "Султан располагал ЛУЧШЕЙ ПЕХОТОЙ В ЕВРОПЕ... СТРАНЕН БЫЛ СОСТАВ ЭТОЙ ПЕХОТЫ... Янычары... выигрывали все великие битвы, при Варне, при Косове, и они же овладели Константинополем. Таким образом, за счет ХРИСТИАНСКОГО народонаселения поддерживал турецкий султан могущество свое"
I understand that your grandson and his wife cannot live happily ever after in Serbia or in Albania and that's a big problem. But this is why all parents in the world explain to their children why marrying someone from their country's enemy is not wise. Just because you and your children failed to explain that to your gdandson and raise him properly it doesn't mean you have the right to lecture any of us about how we should defend our country. Obviously you are not Serb, even if your DNA is Serbian. But the rest of us are Serbs in everything, including our hearts. You accuse Serbs from diaspora of being "safely patriots", since it's easy for them to lecture about Serbia without living here. But each of these Serbs is more of a Serb than you will ever become. KosMet is SERBIA. If Albanians ever realize that then maybe, just maybe, we can all forgive, forget and live happily ever after, including your grandson and his wife. But until that day comes, get a life and get off our backs.
Far be it that the Serbs are a world power. ( I actually chuckled at that one) and I cannot say if the Serbians as a nation are a caring people, but I, as a serb with many Albanian friends (We work, eat & play futbal together) DO care because we all have family & friends back home.
Putin has OPENLY stated that Crimea was & IS possible because of Kosovo. HE said it, not me.
My main point here is this: UNLESS Serbians & Albanians work together to come up with a solution that appeases BOTH, you will ALWAYS have a threat of conflict because one side feels slighted over the other.
This is a proven fact. I have small kids at home, try favoring one over the other and see what happens after....unless you satisfy BOTH, one way or another, you will never have peace.
I could only come up with the Tiawan example, but I would be more than happy to hear what you can offer...to appease everybody.
BOTH Albanians & Serbians have become pawns & tools for other powers to play with and use! Both are proud people with very long histories and deserve better.Instead of being cannon fodder for everybody else, lets work out a deal that works for both, shake hands and start building a foundation on rock, not sand.
FYI - I didn't know I was a Serb until war broke out in Jugoslavia.My parents raised me as a Jugoslavian. I am fortunate enough to work with many ethnic backgrounds and enjoy it.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak
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Nobody who is old enough to have a married grandson would say it that way.
You are not fooling anybody.
Now put your crappy white cap on and move to your own site. You are not more Serb or as old as that than I am Albnian.
"neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues" Nikolle
If I were you I would be less concerned about SJ's ethnicity (you do know the difference between ethnicity and nationality, right?) and more concerned about the nationality that the Albanians in Kosovo claim to have. See, they no longer identify themselves as Albanians, but as Kosovars...After all the dirty work Albania has done to get Kosovo out of Serbia's reach and those ungrateful little monkeys have the nerve to say that they are not Albanians! Well, after listening 10 years ago Albanians in Kosovo claiming that Kosovo would become the official 51st State of the US, everything else sounds normal in my ears. We are about to experience such an interesting decade in the Balkans. Albanians in Kosovo will soon become "Albanians in denial".
@ A new day & Ian UK,
Very good debating points. Thanks for replying with cool heads....
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia. Thats how the Tiawan system is set up...China has no say in what Tiawan does..Tiawan does business with whoever and wherever they want.
Both are OK with the deal.
If things stay how they are now, can you realistically see peace for our offspring? Again,not saying the Albanians will be happy because the Serbs are not happy about it either, but it's a way out of this frozen conflict.
Under that plan, investments would open up for Kosovo & Serbia. If the Albanians were able to build a sucessful economy and show the world and Serbia they were capable, I think that would be wonderful for everybody, Serbia included.
Other than that, I think Serbia & Albanians are in for a miserable future.
Again, thanks for listening
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
"Serbia would rather be poor than without Kosovo." Sounds like the statement of a rich politician out of touch with the average person who is already poor.
THERE’S ALWAYS SOME CHOICE LIKE “rather be poor than without Kosovo"
I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail …
I'd rather be a hammer than a nail …
I'd rather be a forest than a street….
A man gets tied up to the ground
He gives the world
Its saddest sound,
Its saddest sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVoDNjzZlbY
OR
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell
And did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change ?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8mr-gcgoI
"Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier"
We all know that, Willi Silly. After all, it's obvious from the votes that you get and the ones that Ari gets. Now go bully one of the EU fellow commenters, Serbia is not an EU memebr State and thanks to people like you, it will never become because Serbs are smart enough to know that GU and G-euro are not a solution for them.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. "
You are on a Serbian website spreading anti-serbian propaganda and still you expect anti-serb comments to be more popular than pro-serb comments? Are you for real? Finally the votes show the real truth and the real opinion and if you dont like it there is noone forcing you to come here.
Elena the screen names "a new day" and "cry me a river" belong to the same American. occasionally he uses other nicknames too, like "Answerer" when "cry me a river" asks a question and all of a sudden an "answerer" appears to answer "cry me a river"'s question LOL. either he likes talking to himself or his life is really miserable and empty. don't waste your time replying to him, ignore him and read his posts only when you feel like laughing.
Willi Pfaff said "It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether."
Willi sounds like a sissy-he's whining, again.
I'm so glad this is bothering you soooooo.....much.
hahahahahhaha
Obviously you are not ALbanian because you can't recognize a Greek comment from a Serbian comment. In fact, you are not European in general, not that your ethnicity makes any difference to me. FYI B92 is definetely not a place Greeks chat with Serbs, you are right on this one. We have other sites for that, including FB pages for Greeks and Serbs. Now I don't know about other Greeks, but I saw a B92 article posted by Serbs on one of these FB pages and this is how I started posting comments here. So have no doubt that Serbs read the English version of B92, as well. In fact this is why people like you are here posting.
I think in your mind UN membership and recognition of independence are one. But they are not. A State can become a UN member without being internationally independent (in fact without being independent at all). India for example joined the UN before it became independent form the UK. In fact, it was not even sure if and when India would become independent. Apart from that, it's even the international law that prohibits UN membership from becoming equivalent to international independence: "UN is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government". This is what the Law says and you can find it even in the UN's site. So with or without UN membership for Kosovo, independence will never come unless Serbia agrees to.
"Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty"
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
"Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West. "
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper, especially now with the financial crisis. The new rising market is the euroasian one, where Russia and China are the leading countries. This is where financialy development takes place now.
"But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. " Then why do you even bother replying to me?
"Then what's the problem? I can't see it."
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
"It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether." (Willi Pfaff )
I thought Willi was a male name. I guess Willi is a girl.
Willi quit this drama and just accept it: We don't like your comments. Go to an Albanian website to post, I'm sure there you will be the Queen of the website.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2015 14:19)
If Kosovo has managed to reduce its level of unemployment to 30% perhaps they might pass on their secret to economic success to the US and EU.
“ steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods.....”
This is word for word out of a book and 30% unemployment comes from the CIA’s so called factbook which is utter crap. There is no industry in Kosovo. The biggest employer is the government and it would not survive without EU funding so that makes the 30% figure pure fabrication.
What white goods??????? Have you been drinking cooking sherry again?
“tourism is even growing in Kosovo” I’d like to be there when Albos take the tourists around and try and explain the lack of Albo monuments in Kosovo or try and sell the idea that Serb Churches and Monasteries are actually Albanian. Or even better when tourists visit these places and the monks tell them of constant harassment by local Albos who hate everyone. Yep it should be good.
“..but it is growing and improving year upon year.” The French have been saying the same of Chad for the last 50 years.
Please stop writing crap.
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 31 December 2014 17:55)
CTC, Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote a book about you about 150 years ago and its called The Idiot. Try reading about yourself sometime.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
(pss, 1 January 2015 15:28)
Well (Sultan, 1 January 2015 15:52), here is an example of what I have to contend with on this site. This I would classify as an extremely silly statement now let’s see if I can get through to pss.
China is Australia’s main trading partner, it used to be Japan until recently, but China has taken over. We sell most of our minerals and energy to China and if Australia angers China they will not buy these resources and this will result in Australia becoming a South East Asian backwater.
The price for iron ore and coal has fallen through the floor and the mining boom of the last 20 years is over. The Government has a huge gap in the budget as a result of falling prices and it looks like 2015 will send us into a recession. I hope I am being clear about the situation.
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the US where its citizens could not identify the states when given a map of the US with only state boundaries and no other writing.
(Nikolle, 31 December 2014 12:17)
Lad, I can say what I like on this Serb-based media site because I am a Serb unlike you. However, I used 20 Euros to give an example of the value that people were paid to attend demonstrations. Around late 1993/1994 Serbia went through a period of hyperinflation where the monthly inflation rate accelerating to one million percent or prices double every 2.3 days. I recall one person who had borrowed in 1990 a huge sum of money to purchase land paid off his debt in 1994 with three months wages.
The $30 was only a figure I used as I could have said $50 or $100. The west spent millions in Ukraine and it did not involve just printing leaflets or bribing officials. Why on God’s earth would Ukranians go out on mass to demonstrate in winter when they already experienced several years of governments who were western leaning and got nothing out of it?
I’ve come across some dumb arse in my time but you Albanians do take the cake. Russia is Germany’s largest trading partner and if Merkel was to mess with this, the German industrialists was not be happy and if you were not aware it’s the wealthy that pull the strings not the dumb smucks who vote mate. I’d love to see Merkel do something that would stop this trade and see how long she lasts as Chancellor.
“ unemployment would reach 3%.” “...average salary roughly the same..”. I see your taking the stuff your lot are selling, drugs.
You don’t live in Kosovo so what is your point?
You do understand that Greece is a country and not a city or a region in Serbia, right? Though it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't, given the giganntic amount of ignorance you provide in your answer.
75 is a way bigger number than 20. Now apart from that and regarding the quality or the power of some of those 75: Russia and China suport Serbia. If China recognizes Kosovo, China will automatically cause itself diplomatic problems with Tibet and Taiwan, since both seek independence. So China will never recognize Kosovo and therefore China supports Serbia on this one. 5 EU countries do the same. No one can force Spain for istance to recognize Kosovo, because if Spain does so, Catalans and Vasques will ask independence from Spain in 24 hours. Montenegro is a totally difference case than Kosovo, don't get confused. The majority of countries on the planet didn't have their own possible "Montenegro" to deal with in the future. But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple. Did youa ctually think that you could steal land from a country and get away with it?
To all Serbs on the planet: Happy New Year from Greece! Срећна Нова Година свима ♥♥♥
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:52)
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Thank you. And to all the Greeks world wide I wish all the happiness and prosperity.
Happy new year to B92 and all the contributors. Let's start the new year fresh.
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 20:17)
Stick to calling outpatiences to ask about their experiences during their stay in hospital.
I hate to burst your bubble but no EU member singly or collectively or even US have the capacity to conduct a war any more mate unless it’s a small defenceless country. On the UK front it does not have the capacity to fight off a cranky 90 year old granny - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117335/Just-how-big-is-Britains-debt-mountain.html.
“..Kosovo to help Serbia” the answer is no, but there is no room here to explain it to you.
On the issue of Kosovo and its economy, let me get this right Kosovo has today a GDP (PPP) of $9,500. Now how the f*** does a place like Kosovo have that when its official level of unemployment is 45%? Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of. Its annual budget contains 85% to 90% of funds from the EU.
The very fact that half of its people are recognised by the government as unemployed would surely sound some alarm bells ringing with the figure you quote? However, I could be wrong as these figures may have been compiled by the US dept of Labor who also claim the US has only 5.8% unemployment.
(pss, 31 December 2014 16:33)
Crimea is extremely important. Have you ever heard of the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade? Well that involved the Brits fighting the Russians over Crimea. In fact the Victoria Cross, the highest military award, is made out of metal from a couple of captured Russian canons. Crimea is the door to central Asia and backdoor to China.
Ukraine is a battle for Europe. Who wins in Ukraine controls Europe. The US is not fighting tooth and nail for nothing. Who takes over Europe dictates what happens to Kosovo. There will be no wars over Kosovo. I don’t understand where these ideas come from? It is in Russia’s interest to have a frozen conflict just like Georgia.
South stream is there to avoid Ukraine just like the pipeline built that bypasses Poland and goes direct to Germany via the Baltic sea.
What is never mentioned in the western media is that China is on Russia’s side and what China says Australia will do. The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
"But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task" (think about it)
Is this your task? LOL I hope all westerns are as smart as YOU! And let me guess, you are American. We have westerns in Europe too, but at least ours are smart people.
Silly Willi Pfaff wrote : "So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results."
Silly Willi I haven't been "voting" much so far and I don't remember voting any of your comments ever. But from now on every time I see one of your comments, I will "give the thumbs down" without even reading it.
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
we don't really read darling, so you think we would waste our time like that? You are so well known as**oles that we just vote down every time we see your nick name.
Not in my name Mr. President.
I didn't not vote for you and I'd rather be rich and live well in a smaller developed Serbia than in an already third world country that Serbia has become with or without Kosovo.
You are a hypocrite Mr. President because you want US to be poor not yourself, and you will continue to live in luxury for the rest of your life.
It is like all socialist hypocrites who want to share the wealth for the good cause. What they have in mind is your wealth of course, not theirs.
Our obsession with this backward province is dragging our nation into abyss. Is is easy to claim Kosovo is Serbia but a different matter to explain to the people how can we get back Kosovo that has 90% albanians who dont want to live with us?
What is not being told to us is that only terrible war and expulsion of 90% albanian population will make that possible. So the question to our people should be:
Do we want to start another war against the people of Kosovo until we fully exterminate the whole albanian population?
If so, lets those fervent nationalists and politicians send their sons and daughters die in Kosovo polje, I want to live in peace.
You are already without Republic of Kosova for 15 years "darling". You can now either choose to be POOR like you are now or less poorer like you can potentially be if joining EU in the long future. Kosova has been, is , and always will be Albanian land. It was stolen and kept for some ages by serbs and turks, but Kosova will always be Albanian. We better start co-operating with each other, and look towards the future. We need to co-operate in science,medicine,sports etc like every other nation does with their neighbours, and not have the middle-ages ideologies of territories. Republic of Kosova is independent, get over it ! I do have a Republic of Kosova passport and I travel the world with it with no restrictions. Let's just look for the future, and let's make our countries a better place for our children ! I believe in peace. Long live people of Balkan. Long live Republic of Kosova. PEACE.
Kosova is not an option for Serbia. Poverty can be.
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago. When you came from Russia we Albanians were already here in the Balkans. Reamember that!
But that is for historians. The reality today isthat Kosova is an independent state the same way as Serbia. It has all institutions an country can have (yes very soon an army too). Plus on top of that it is recognized by the most important countrys of the world.
The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
The land never belonged to Serbia, even when there were 40 thousand Serbian troops there. There is no slavic land in the balkans. It is land that slavic hordes occupied in the 7th century. Open your eyes and see that even your brothers in Montenegro don't want to have anything to do with you serbs.
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 12:37)
Well Mustapha you’ve got me. Yes I was paid 20 Euros 8 years before the currency entered circulation.
The eu will not allow Serbia under any circumstances to keep Kosovo in its constitution! Now removing it won't necessarily mean recognition but no future government will have it. And 63% of Serbia according to b92 ipsos say Kosovo is independent.
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 11:00)
Just as I expected, no matter how much proof anyone shows you you will still stick to your own version.
Serbia has lost Kosovo and prosperity too. Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia are poor and deserves to be poor, as long as they are so stupid not to understand that they are on the same boat.
The irony is when a "pagliaccio" like Nikolic is "selling" the poverty as heroic patriotism.
p.s.China is powerful, but it`s on the other side of the globe. Is it very clever to have one distant powerful friendship when all your neighbours are in NATO and EU?
@ cry me a river
..Boom, aren't you tired of pretending to be a Serb? Because we certainly are…
Boom does not give a dam of what you think. I have been around a long time and have seen it all, Tito, Slobo, the war and democracy, and am still hanging on in the heart of Belgrade.
You and your friends, are in all probability welfare collecting spoiled kids in EU, US or other developed countries.
Because your life is so empty of any personal achievement and your ignorance so great, you come here to vomit your hatred against Albanians calling for the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo because somewhere , someone told you about the battle of Kosovo in 1389 and all other mythological garbage pretending we have some historical claim to this desolate land today.
I have studied and researched our history and that of Albanians too, as written by independent scholars, and no matter how you look at it historically, Albanians are one the most ancient peoples of Europe, have been in their lands for thousand of years,their language is unique, probably mother tongue of Greek and Latin languages and their culture just as rich as that of their neighbors.
Trying to belittle them as sub-human as most of you try to do here, tells more about who we are than who they are.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
You won't have international independence if you remain inside Serbia, but you won't have international independence outside Serbia either, as long as Serbia denies to agree on that (and the 75 countries follow from that. If Serbia recognized independence, these 75 countries would recognize independence too). Poverty is a straightforward implication of no international recognition of independence, because you can't have an independent economy, meaning you will rely on financial aid. BTW, may I ask where you live?
No one from the West is pushing Greece to give up part of its territory. And no one from the West bombed Greece 15 years ago. So your example is irrelevant. If we were in Serbia's position, we wouldn't want to join the EU or side with the west in general. Apart from that, joining the EU is not easy, but it's easier than leaving the EU (or NATO). And it's also illegal for us to borrow money from Putin, that's the reason we haven't, not because we doubt Putin's strength. But keep in mind that if Greece hadn't adopted euro, we wouldn't have had a financial crisis now, though we would definitely have had debt (same as Brits, by not adopting euro they keep their monetary sovereignty, i.e. their debt is internal (not external as ours) and that causes no crisis in the EU, nor in the UK). So the west has been feeding Greece, but without euro we wouldn't need feeding anyway, regardless our current debt.
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality. You still think those countries will change their mind, in fact they're calling on other remaining countries to recognise us. You need an ambulance now?...sorry i forgot, yugo not starting in cold weather, make your way to hospital somehow as Toma said you rather live in poverty.
Well if Kosovo isn't "independent" because it is dependent on the West, then by that logic there isn't an "independent" country in the Balkans because they're all dependent on the West. Only last week did the EU give Serbia €175 Million to help out Serbian farmers. So much for "Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments".
(Nikolle, 1 January 2015 19:55)
B92 is a SERBIAN-based media site so I suggest that you move to a media site run by Albanians and I can guarantee you that I will NEVER read it or post there.
Why are you so disturbed about what I post about Ukraine? If they are stories then I am posting on a SERBIAN-based media site and it would mean I am lying to Serbs. I am not addressing Albanians so what’s your problem?
I do love the part where industrialists in Germany having no influence on political parties, I just love that part LOL. You have to be the biggest simpleton I have yet come across. As if Exxon or Boeing or armaments manufacturers have no influence in US politics.
I can just see it now Mercedes or VW laying down meekly while their exports to Russia are reduced to zero due to sanctions. I can just see it with not one finger being lifted. Who do you think funds these parties????? Santa Clause?????
It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever.
I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?
Interesting point by German Ambassador saying in 10 or 15 years, it seems harmless but I think he knows that in 15 years Serbian leaders would be people who have different idea as they would be generation that grew up without Kosovo.
People of Balkan are fed up with nationalisam they need jobs and could care less for being poor.
We shall see but if I was living in Serbia as a Engineer i would vote not to be poor as even if Kosovo came back I would not benefit some Serbian elite would.
But its easy to speak about poverty with huge bank account!
To all of you who find sj and Ari Gold boring nuisances, do not feel alone. Being Serb, I am completely ashamed of their ridiculous statements. They in no way represent the average Serb and most probably have never been to Serbia. A sure way to frustrate them and make them stop posting on B92 is to IGNORE them. Do not respond to them in any manner. This is a proven method that will eliminate clowns like Ari and sj from this forum. These are the type of people we all avoid at social gatherings, they crave attention and make controversial statements to become noticed. After awhile people stop inviting them to private gatherings and they then turn to public forums just to annoy people. There is as simple solution to this toxic environment: IGNORE sj and Ari Gold.
Happy New Year!
Nikolle if you pick your head up from the sand there are a lot of proofs that the protesters were paid by the US and the EU, do you know how to use google? But of course since that doesnt suit your view its obviously utter garbage right?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-and-eu-are-paying-ukrainian-rioters-and-protesters/5369316
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-08/pro-russian-demonstrators-in-ukraine-paid/5373834
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-state
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1y5j85/us_and_eu_are_paying_ukrainian_rioters_and/
http://vimeo.com/93780350
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=21e_1399063440
http://mic.com/articles/77309/what-the-media-doesn-t-get-about-the-protests-in-ukraine
"Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim"
But Moldova is not under financial aid (yet), only Kosovo is. So comparing the two economies doesn't make sense.
About the GDP growth rate in Kosovo, it was 4% in 2008 and 3% in 2013 (World Bank: World Development Indicators). About the GDP in Kosovo (real GDP, i.e. deflated, i.e. GDP in constant prices) it was $ 4.3 billion in 2008 and $ 5 billion in 2013, in which the financial aid is included. (World Bank: World Development Indicators). In a month or so the World Bank will provide numbers for 2014, where we can have a nice chat again about the development of the economy in Kosovo.
well sj, you are proving my point. Nikolic claims Serbs would prefer to be poor than lose holy Kosmet, so do you prefer to prefer to live in poverty if it meant Serbia keeps Kosovo? I submit that you don't and of course, you'd be stupid to
For Serbia to "give back Kosovo", it would first have to have Kosovo which it doesn't. How can you give something you don't have? Just because Serbia has a territorial claim over Kosovo doesn't mean Serbia "has" Kosovo.
And as to your "less than Independence, more than autonomy" argument, that was already rejected as was "99% independence". What does Serbia have that will make Kosovo give up its independence? What can Serbia give Kosovo which it doesn't already have? Serbia's refusal to recognise Kosovo as well as Serbia getting her allies to try and attempt to isolate Kosovo is an annoyance for Kosovo but it is a bearable annoyance. It hasn't stopped Kosovo from being independent, all it achieved was slowing down Kosovo's international integration. It is a bitter nuisance campaign at best.
But saying all that, even though it wouldn't happen in a million years, I think it'd be hilarious if Kosovo were to become apart of Serbia. Imagine that, 1.5+ Million of age Albanian voters. Serbia would really struggle to form a Government without Albanian political parties, Serbia would be politically crippled by the Albanians blocking everything the same way Bosnia is politically crippled by the Serbs being able to block things. Be careful what you wish for because it might just come true.
Oh dear, Serbia is poor already. However, I have noticed that all that ranting and raving of a reply didn't address my point; you the self-confessed-Serb (Australian with an identity crisis in fact) would not sacrifice your life style in Australia for holy Kosmet. neither would your father and why would he? neither would Ari Gold. So Nikolic can make claims like the one in the this article all he likes, but they're not true. I remember in the early 90's it was another claim: "we'd rather die than give up Krajina". it wasn't true was it? you'd rather not die, you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?
If some Serbs would rather be poor than without Kosovo then shouldn't it mean that they've moved on and realized that there're more "pressing" matters than "losing" Kosovo? In this case overcoming or coping with poverty is more important than "bellyaching" about Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia. Life goes on if you know what I'm implying.
we have the backing of the united states of america and the most influnental politicians in the US and that will not change because of this we have also the backing of almost all EU countrys because they are all satelite states of usa including germany since world war 2 ended also the serbian government knows it very well. serbia wants to join the EU? they need to meet the criteria the EU sets if not they will never join. imagine if serbia in midle of europe chooses the EAST (russia,china) and the US and EU imposes sanctions against serbia? serbia would go bankrupt within 72 hours and we would see 100% mass protests in belgrade begging for "EU integration"
kosovo is gone not since 2008 but since 1999 and im sure most of serbs including politicians knows that very well.
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 04:54) Serbia to Repopulate Kosovo?
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
When is your last time you visited Serbia outside BG, Novi Sad or Nis? Man Serbia looses 40K people just in Serbia a year.
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
it is not some kind of great or grand ideal. it is a sick obsession, it has become something deranged, it is built on lies and hypocrisy and genocide.
kosovo has nothing to do with serbia's Jerusalem, it is just a desperate strategy by the chetniks to build Israeli allies. with some success, though israeli intellectuals and human rights advocates are not impressed.
and speaking of Jerusalem, it is the holy city to so many ppl, and yes, we need to be able to share it. to protect it. to stop using it as an excuse for butchering one another.
i have never met one Kosovar who would accept the return of serbian colonial rule, in any way, on any level. whatever their religion, politics, social class. they ALL know what it would mean. even though many of us are less than thrilled with kosovo's current leadership - we can't blame the belgrade regime for everything. there is a good new article from the albanian american civic society promoting democracy and the building of civil institutions inside kosovo.
the political leadership of serbia is bankrupt, and the ppl deserve better. don't accept these fools, and allow the chetnik mystique to rule and endlessly oppress the balkans...
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 23:37)
Common man. Stop acting like you serbs are in charge of world order.Stop acting like you serbs care what happens in other disputed areas of the globe. You know what has happened in the world because Kosovo declared independence? Nothing. Scotland voted against independence. You know what has happened because Putin wants to show how big is d.ck is? Georgia and Ukraine get invaded.
"At this time it is not a requirement, but no one knows what will happen in 10 or 15 years," concluded the diplomat.
Do you have to be exceptionally clever to understand that statement?
The problem with Serbian politicians is that they haven't got the guts to tell or accept the truth openly to Serbian people. The paradox is that none of these politicians can do anything "to return Kosovo to Serbia". These stupid very stupid slogan of Serbian President that Serbian people will choose poverty...and all this crap, remind me the Albanian brutal dictator Enver Hoxha saying once upon a time "we will starve/eat grass not to betray the principles of Marxism Leninism....and he "was right" like Nikolic living in a nice luxury and illusion life....Albanians will never negotiate with Serbs about what they have achieved. I hope there would be no need for me to simply further my comment to Nikolic and those who follow him.
the continued fake voting scam here on B92 just shows once more the poor state Serbia is in. Supporting fascist movements, unwilling to report the truth, and a press which manipulates public opinion. If B92 had any backbone, they would have reported on the obviuous highjacking of their english web site and discontinued the voting system for as long as they are unable to fix that problem. But no, you pretend that everything is fine, and show your lack of democratic understanding. Serbia can't be an EU member if it acts like this and violates basic rules of journalism. Just look at when these manipulations happen, and you will notice that they come most likley from somebody in the US. That limits down the potential violators to a few die hard serb fascists enjoying living a good life in the west, and trying to stirr up problems for ordenary serb citizens. If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals.
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 12:22)
Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier who, as Boom also mentioned furher down, represents the typ of person who is a looser in real life, and tries to get some attention through his redicules claims.
The only thing I ever said is, that I would be the first one who would condem it if it was ever proven to be true.
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
Put it on a referendum and I promisse you Niqkolic, you will be proved wrongg...such a uneducated statement. Kosovo is gone anyways so be rich than,oh and by the way even if you enter the EU,you will still be the same.
The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
Watcher a few questions: You say the Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy. they had that before Milosevic plus equal voting power as Serbia in the federal govt of Yugoslavia, so now what does more than this (or autonomy) mean that would still be less than independence?
Also is Serbia ready for Kosovo to have an equal say in all international dealings?
and most importantly,
What guarantees would exist to prevent Serbia from doing the exact same thing again that they did under Milosevic and revoke any autonomy?
Now you claim Serbia will always own the land, Today Serbia claims they own the land, but they do not have any physical, political, economic or military control over the land. They do not have unlimited freedom of movement for their leaders over the land of Kosovo. They must obtain permission to visit, and more than once they have been denied entrance.
Under those conditions it is even more foolish for Serbs to claim they own the land than any argument you could give that it is foolish for Kosovo to claim independence.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. Somebody uses a proxy server like 'Hide my Ass' https://www.hidemyass.com/servers which enables the user to hide and change his/her ip number, which identifies ther user/ commentator on the internet. B92 so far only let one user with his real ip number vote once, and if that person tried to vote again with his ip number, the vote simply wasn't counted.
With this vpn software the person actually has access to 98,926 different ip addresses, and could vote that many times without B92 even noticing it.
So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results. There are also lots of other softerware tools like the one mentioned above on the market, and one of the serb ultra nationalists / fascists is using one of those systems to fake the comments voting.
It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether.
This is a message to all the commenters about kosovo/kosova/dardania/kosovo&metohija. I speak only the truth and no matter how much you twist the truth it's still the truth. If you twist my truth you are just lying to yourself.
1. Your comments here are more for entertainment and have zero effect in changing the political reality of Kosovo.
2. To serbs, sorry if the truth hurts, but albanians were here in balkans when you arrived in 6th-7th century.
3. To albanians, sorry if the truth hurts, but serbs were the majority in 1389.
4. Do i have to remind you that Kosovo was ruled by serbs in 1389 and in yugoslavia and it was ruled by albanians at the end of ottoman empire and nowdays.
5. Both albanians and serbs want to normalize their relations because it is in their own interest.
6. As for being friends one day, nobody knows, but future geopolitical changes will have an impact on them being friends or continuing being enemies.
7. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year (from an orthodox albanian that puts ethnicity before religion).
Even with Atasari plan Serbs have some form of Autonomy inside Kosovo, where they have their own schools health care but they will not get what RS has as it has been proven it does not work. Now Serbian Politicians (Pelicans :) will say that but to the contrary there will be no Veto of Serbs starting with next election no reserve seats.
There are very few Serbs in Kosovo as they prefer to live in BG, biggest theft of Serbian funds are hapening with Serbs in KS read insider and Serbian version of B92 you see the opinion of Serbs form Serbia and if you do not speak Serbian just google translate. it is not perfect but it does the just of it.
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:27)
Sure, that's easy... If you want to hear those words to be happy, sure, the LAND BELONGS TO SERBIA (whatever that means). So, I assume now you are good with Serbia to stay out of Kosovo's business and Kosovo to stay out of Serbia's business.
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 12:20)
You finally got it. That's all Kosovo cares about - not to be controlled by Serbia. They don't have any problem to be controlled even by the devil, as long as it is not Serbia.
sunshine, i'm using sj as an example to show that mr Nikolic is wrong. Serbs will not choose poverty for holy Kosmet. they've made assertions similar to this before, we will fight to the death for Krajina and all that, they don't fight to the death, they flee
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
Smrt Fasizmu!
(Ari Gold, 31 December 2014 00:52)
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
So lets say that Russia "wins in Ukraine" whatever that means, what will happen with Kosovo? Will Russia invade Kosovo to help Serbia "win in Kosovo"? Hahaha. Russia doesn't have the capacity to use its forces beyond its weak immediate neighbours. You really are an old senile fool. Yes Russia has nukes, but so do other countries, any nuclear war will mean the end of the world, so neither Serbia or Kosovo will no longer exist. And another thing, Russia doesn't have friends, only interests.
And yes there aren't many Western big businesses based in Kosovo, but we've seen how big Western business have conned and abused Serbia's economy by investing there and virtually taking all the profit. And I know that you like go on about how poor Kosovo is and it is poor by European standards, but here are some facts. Kosovo's GDP (PPP) per capita in 2008 was $2,300, it is now at $9,500 (almost 3x of Moldova's). When Kosovo separated from Serbia in 2008, Serbia's GDP (PPP) per capita was $8,200. That alone speaks volumes. But then again, it wasn't hard to make Kosovo's economy grow after how "successful" it was doing under Yugoslav/ Serbian rule. When you're starting at the bottom, the only way is up.
first of sj, you 'truth's don't disturb me, they amuse me. what does disturb me. second the English version of b92 is addressed to those who speak English, it's not addressed to Serbian English speakers. if it were, then perhaps those who own the portal could make that clear. so you can't stop me from contributing here. if it placates you, i don't follow the Serbian version of B92. however, i also comment on articles on the BBC, CNN, the Telegraph, New York Times, Guardian and yes Kosova live, TVKlan, zeri.net. koha.net and others.
as for Germany, sunshine, you wrote Merkel's removal was being plotted by unhappy industrialists. care to tell me where you read this? because you see, what i think is that you've seen an Oliver Stone movie and constructed a story of your own. if what you say is true, you must have read it somewhere. just tell me where and its all done. also, i never said industries don't have an influence on politics.
as for this "It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever." first of, i have never had a facade to begin with, i have never made up stories. nor have i ever written rubbish like, Crimea is the back door to China, its only 2000 km away from China but its the back door still
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
(Elena, Greece, 30 December 2014 09:08)
Elena we don't need to. We have the West with us, Serbia has authoritarian, dictatorships, bankrupt and countries based on medieval caste systems. Those who support us, while not perfect have societies that are fairer. This is what we are striving to emulate. Serbia emulates Russia, China, Venezuela; societies where one part of society kills, persecutes,and mistreats anything they deem as other, different, " not like us".
As for your other statement that's pure nonsense. Kosova was not paradise on earth when Serbia had it under total control. Its definitely better now. So where is the incentive. I constantly hear the incessant cacophony of the Serbs about how good it would be if Kosova was under Serbia. I have yet to hear one thing that will be better for Albanians under that scenario than what we have now.Especially under a bankrupt,impoverished, xenophobic country like Serbia.
Nothing you wrote there sj makes me change my mind that you would not live in penury for holy Kosmet and of course, why would you? neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues.
"Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo?"
this is a basic tool that everyone uses when they have no retort to anything. by the same token, why are you posting on the English version of B92 and not just focusing on the Serbian version if Kosovo is a part of Serbia? Why are you posting here at all if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? why do you call yourself sj if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? anyone can play this game. i stand by what I said, Serbs would not chose poverty for Kosmet, just like thery chose fleeing as opposed to fighting for Krajina
yep, you've been saying many things sj, like paid 20.00 EURO's in 1994, Ukrainian protesters paid a rate of $30.00 plus a hot meat, German industrialists plotting Merkel's downfall, Serbia will get back Vukovar, none of which has ever happened or is going to happen. i'm going to go even further than you, even if Russia goes all the way to Serbia (and its never going to happen), Kosovo is still not going back. what you will have left, are stories about Dushan to console you at night.
As for industries, there is no doubt that Kosovo is poor. Thing is though, there are are things in motion here, like Fox Marble a UK mining company focused exclusively here, employing locals here. what you need to do is compare it to what industry was there here when Belgrade was in charge? none.
as for youth leaving, yes it is a problem which not one person will hide from. however, Kosovo as a state has only been in existence 6 years, not one person has ever thought that by year 6 unemployment would reach 3%. the asylum figures which undoubtedly show a hight number of Albanians, also show a significant number of Serbs. so things are not rosy in the heavenly state either. as a matter of fact, the average salary in Serbia is roughly the same or maybe 20 EURO's higher than it is in Kosovo.
i note though that you do not deny that Kosovo doesn;t mean so much to you that you'd be willing to give up your life in Australia for it and frankly, you'd be stupid to
Stop using out of date figures. Kosovo's unemployment rate WAS at 45%. In 2013 it was at 30.9% and now that we're in 2015, it will be even lower. Also one has to bare in mind that that if Northern Kosovo was taken out of the equation, Kosovo would have an even lower unemployment rate. Kosovo's economy is set to grow by 3.3% this year and it is scheduled to overtake Moldova's economy despite Moldova having a population twice the size of Kosovo.
"Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of."
Apart from mining minerals, steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods and machinery, wine and tobacco production, forestry and paper production, manufacturing of construction materials, a self reliant energy sector ect.
Agriculture and farming accounts for over 25% of Kosovo's economy, also Kosovo has a huge services sector; tourism is even growing in Kosovo.
Yeah Kosovo doesn't have an amazing economy but it is growing and improving year upon year.
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit.
(sj, 31 December 2014 08:11)
By what you write, you must be about 60 years old. Why can't you act your age rather than behave as a 14 year old brat.
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
Hahaha you think that Kosovo must have some secret formula as it has managed to lower its unemployment rate. Like I said, when you're starting at the bottom like Kosovo was under Yugoslav rule, the only way is up. And no, I didn't get it out of the CIA World Fact Book (CIA WFB). But I suppose because there is something similar in the CIA WFB it must be a lie. The CIA WFB says that Japan's flag is white with a red circle in the middle, that's a lie too because the CIA WFB said it. Just because you don't want Kosovo to have industries doesn't mean they don't exist. I know you can't stand the fact that Kosovo's economy is growing because it isn't in line with the picture that you paint that Kosovo is dirt poor and dependent on the EU. And yes, Kosovo may receive a lot of funds from the EU, but Serbia receives even more funds than Kosovo. Only last week did the EU give millions and millions of Euros to help out Serbian farmers. Outside of Novi Sad and central Belgrade, Serbia is an incredibly poor country.
Maybe tour guides can tell them how 66% of all Mosques in Kosovo were destroyed/ damaged by Yugoslav forces in the Kosovo War? To be honest sj, when I go travelling, which I do quite frequently, I really cannot stand seeing stupid Churches. Tourists who go to Kosovo go to Pristina, mountain walking and skiing. Once you've seen one church, you're seen them all. Who goes on holiday to look at Churches?
Nikolic should stop talking. Everyone can see that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia any more, eventhough on paper it still may be and that is the crux of the matter.
Sometimes it is better to accept your losses and move on. Serbia is better of without Kosovo and Kosovo is better of without Serbia. If he could utter those words then we can all accept closure of a bitter 'divorce' and move on and build a future.
@Peggy
...Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?...
No, she did not , but I lived many years in Kosovo and we had happy life with albanian neighbors until politicians and myths from the dark ages screwed up evth.
As a strong supporter of Kosovo independence on a Serbia hosted website, I have always been disappointed in the number of votes for and against my comments as it would seem natural that the majority of readers would be opposed to my comments. It is nice to see that it has been corrected.
I don't think anyone comes on here to try and convince the others they are wrong, but more to dispel the myths.
But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task. So to Ian, willi, Nikolle, and others take pride in those "no" votes. As a matter of fact when you reread your comments vote no so it looks even more impressive.
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
(Andreas, 1 January 2015 15:57)
I could use that argument for Serbia too as 80,000 left in 2014. Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim. Kosovo will have a larger economy than Moldova soon and Moldova has twice as many people as Kosovo.
Kosovo's economy is growing a lot better than Ethiopia's. Like I said Kosovo's current GDP (PPP) per capita is larger than what Serbia's was in 2008 when Kosovo left Serbia.
@Elena
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
--My point exactly. No international independence inside Serbia, so wtf would we gain? Instead of getting western funds directly, they'd have to go through Serbia, they'd take their cut and we'd get whatever Serbia felt like. Can't see how that'd put us in a better position than now.Instead of doing business directly with more than half of the world we'd have to do it through Serbia and its bipolar whims. Still don't see how that gets us in a better position than now.
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper...
-- The West has been feeding Greece for the past two years. Why don't you just refuse the money. Refuse it and get it from the BRICS. You can't because at the end of the day no matter the BS you and Serbs write it's the west that ends up feeding you.Just refuse the EU and their money. Go get it from the BRICS if the EU isn't the only place to get free money. Meanwhile uncle Putin still wants his gas money.
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
First off sj, you can write whatever you like anywhere, not just on a Serbian based website. however, when you tell outright lies and concoct stories, people pick you up on it, OK? you can still write whatever you want, but make your tales believable. i mean, you wrote it is fact that protesters were paid money to go out and protest in Ukraine. where you read this fact, i don't know, but to me its nonsense. just like that other garbage about having witnessed a similar incident in mainland Serbia in 1994. just like that other rubbish about rumours of German industrialists plotting Merkel's removal. not that this bothers me or frightens me as you like to think, i simply use it to illustrate how wrong you are. so my advise to you mr Crimea-is-the-back-door-to-China (Korea is much nearer to China than Crimea), lie away all you want, but make them believable
If you believe what Putin says then you should also believe that Litvinenko's favorite drink was polonium. I already told you what my opinion is: The same solution that Montenegro & Serbia have.If Serbs in Montenegro and Serbs in Serbia cannot get along enough to live in the same country why should Albanians live under the oppression of the serbs that butchered us in 1999?It is hypocritical and criminal to ask Albanians to live with serbs when even serbs don't want to live with serbs.It is hypocritical to ask Albanians to live under serbia when all the other slavic people of ex-Yougoslavia don't want to have anything to do with the serbs. So please stop going around in circles with the nonsense of offering solutions based on the model of how Chinese people solve the problems with other Chinese people in H.Kong & Taiwan or how West Germans solve their problems with the east Germans. Those solutions apply to people of the same ethnicity. And in case of Kosovo those solutions will be appropriate if Albanians in Albania had a problem with Albanians in Kosovo,which is not the case.
But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
Say you are right, and that what? Should Kosovo give up the 108 recognitions and go back under Serbia because, according to you, 75 countries have not recognized it?! So, really not sure what is the action step that you are suggesting to Kosovo based on your analysis above?!
You just described Serbia. So what's your point? Serbia is a small poor country surviving on EU handouts. Your whole argument is that Serbia is a little less poor than Kosova. Having made this point you still survive on handouts from the EU.You're in the same $h!ty situation, begging the EU for money to keep the country afloat. Despite all the bravado at the end of the day you go and beg, beg the EU so that your people have food on the table.
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2,500,000 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
I have not been at this web site in month and I must say: 'It even got worse'. I do not know any other web site from a European media source that provides a platform to spread racism, hate and fascist ideas like B92 does. I thought Serbia wants to become a member of the EU, but B92 promotes ideas, which have nothing to do with the way Western Europe thinks, and in almost any other comment openly fascist ideas are spread. Albanians are still portrait as sub-human which stole Serb territory and should be killed or chaised out of their country, and any other ethnic group / country besides Serbs and Russians are monsters. No refection on the ethnic cleansing and mass murders committed by Serbs all over the Balkans in the 90's, and Milosevic's helpers are being glorified. There is no other country in Europe which openly acts like that. It seems as if you never will learn, and what you need is a de-nazification like Germany had after WWII.
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nicole, keep on writing, you are a becaon on this page. You have wit, knowledge, and the determination to spread the truth here on B92. You are by far superiour to people like sj and others.
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
(kudos, 2 January 2015 23:51)
Kudos, at the asylum, he is known as sj=spamming jackass
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
i agree with you.
However, even if the Serbs choose the stupid way, as they did in 1999, they would be crushed. The Serb military has been degraded not what it was in the past. Also, there are many Serbian Mothers in Black living in Belgrade and other parts of Serbia. Few would allow their remaining sons to come home in body bags.
Taiwan & PR China have the "One-China" policy, both agree there is only one China but there are two governments. However PR China says it WILL have control of Taiwan by 2020.
There will be peace between Kosovo and Serbia, just like there is peace now. Serbia is powerless to have a conflict with Kosovo, it isn't in a position to go into combat.
You say it is a frozen conflict, but Kosovo would disagree with you. Of course Kosovo finds Serbia's non-recognition an inconvenience but for them, there is no conflict or dispute; it is Serbia which has the problem & believes that Kosovo's independence is illegal. Kosovo would disagree & say that its independence isn't illegal as no international organisation or international court has found their independence to be illegal; Kosovo would use the ICJ ruling in their favour.
I don't think Kosovo's & Serbia's futures will be "miserable", both economies are steadily growing. Of course neither have the best economies in Europe. You can't expect either of them to have an amazing economies after 40+ years of socialism that was followed by a sudden transition to capitalism which itself was interrupted by the conflicts of the 90s.
What IS HAPPENING as a "solution" is almost a cross between the solutions between Northern Ireland (UK) & Republic of Ireland and East Germany & West Germany. I would explain how, but if I were, I could easily end up writing an entire book on the subject.
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Hmm, how do we explain then that Taiwan is recognized by only 20-30 countries is still much richer than, say, China?! It appears that the reality does not fit with your theory, which means that your theory is garbage :)
Anyway, Kosovars are happy with 108 recognitions vs 0 recognitions when they were under Serbia. So if they are happy relative to the past, who cares what you say!
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Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Sure, BRICS has much more money but also many more mouths to feed. So what it is your point?
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
My reference is to you as a Serb and not where you live. I do not buy the sudden emergence of "Greek" supporters that suddenly appeared here. Most people in the English version are not from Serbia. Serbs in Serbia view the Serbian version of b92.
Now it your ignorance that shines here. China's decision on anything will not affect their position on Tibet or Taiwan. They will forever have veto power in the UNSC and they can and will use it should either want anything from the UN. Russia will be Russia and its stance has more to do with its relationship with the west and not Serbia, should Putin fall the support for Serbia may fall with it.
The other countries are insignificant, a formal recognition only means a shift of numbers. If Kosovo makes it to a vote before the UNGA it matters not if they have 108 supporters or 180 it is still more than the required half for a membership vote.
The remarks about Montenegro was simply to show that recognition is not high on the priority list of many countries.
None of the 5 EU countries are strong enough to really show a resistance to what the majority of EU wants(especially Greece) so when it is necessary those votes will come.
The other conflicts you mention were conflicts long before anyone knew what Kosovo was and will be so long afterward. Albania taking Kosovo would be stealing, people living on the land voting to no longer be a part of Serbia is self determination. big difference.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:45)
You seem to be a sincere person, but I do not believe you take all the facts into your thought process. As mentioned before the more than autonomy less than independence was NEVER offered by Serbia and there has never been a clarification as to what that meant. The Taiwan example is not exactly right either. This was a phrase that Jeremic came up with once all talks had been exhausted (not that he created it but was the first to say it in a public forum). It was used once that it was set that when Kosovo announced independence the west would support it. It was always believed it was more a stall tactic as there was nothing to tell what was meant nor was it presented at the table at any time. The closest thing to that would be a confederation and Serbia said that was totally unacceptable just as was independence.
The other question was what guarantee is there that Serbia would not revoke this as they did in the past. The Albanians have entered into several international memberships, recognized by more than half the world the only thing Serbia is blocking is UN membership and any deal such as what you offer would not yield that either. Taiwan is not a UN member. And actually Kosovo and Serbia are closer to the Taiwan/China relationship now than under a proposal you suggest. Neither recognizes the others authority.
As far as Putin, just because he says, does not mean it is an accepted statement. There are no similarities in the two.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
There are still some 20 countries that have not recognized Montenegro, does that mean they are not independent? You Serbs claim everything, if not a UN member not independent, if not recognized by everyone, not independent, if not recognized by Serbian not independent. But the fact of the matter is that Kosovo is dependent on Serbia for nothing, and Serbia has no control over Kosovo in any way. It is recognized by all the countries that it needs to do business with and every organization it needs to be a member of. The rest is just icing on the cake. Instead of concerning yourself about the 75 countries that have not established diplomatic ties with Kosovo you should concern yourself with the majority of countries in the world that says Serbia is dead wrong and Kosovo is an independent country.
See you cannot say truthfully that 75 countries support Serbia by not recognizing Kosovo. The truth is you have about 30 that do so the rest just have not had a reason to enter into the discussion as it in no way affects them. Maybe a shocker to you but Serbia is not the center of the universe and on a daily basis, people concern themselves with matters that are important to them.
There is only one or two countries that matter. At present Russia will not allow Kosovo, more due to the US than Serbia. China would probably abstain from a vote. The EU countries will work out by the time it matters.
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
As far as Ukraine goes, I guess it depends on what you call win and lose. Crimea is probably for all intents and purposes gone. It is not an important enough issue for anyone to intervene militarily as why would anyone fight to return the land when the overwhelming majority want to be in Russia. If the people of Crimea decide otherwise it may be different. The rest of Ukraine will probably be unstable for years or decades, is that what you call a win? Russia's problems with the pipeline which initiated the idea of south stream has just multiplied astronomically.
Any win in Ukraine means nothing in the Kosovo game. Ukraine is a border state and part of the Russian zone. Kosovo's connection to Russia is merely that of support for Serbia, there is a huge margin of difference between supporting an issue and going to war for it. If Russia was going to do something it would have before it progressed this far. And they have said time and time again that they cannot be more Serbian that Serbia.
The only way you would be right is if there IS a WW3, and then who knows how the spoils will be split up, and then you would probably be best worried about your home and not your so called homeland. As a western supporter Australia would probably be a Russian target.
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
-- Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty. So what is our incentive here to want to be part of Serbia?
Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
-- Sure they do. Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery.
-- Sure. No problem. Kosovo's economy has been growing it separated from Serbian terror. But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. What do us mere mortals now?
Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
-- Sure they do. Especially since time is inconsequential in the heavenly kingdom and for heavenly people. So the Serbs have time, money, God, law and Kosova on their side. Then what's the problem? I can't see it.
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the Serbia where its citizens could not identify the cities when given a map of the Serbia with only city boundaries and no other writing.
(sj, 1 January 2015 21:58)
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
"Serbia would rather be poor than without Kosovo." Sounds like the statement of a rich politician out of touch with the average person who is already poor.
Kosova is not an option for Serbia. Poverty can be.
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago. When you came from Russia we Albanians were already here in the Balkans. Reamember that!
But that is for historians. The reality today isthat Kosova is an independent state the same way as Serbia. It has all institutions an country can have (yes very soon an army too). Plus on top of that it is recognized by the most important countrys of the world.
You are already without Republic of Kosova for 15 years "darling". You can now either choose to be POOR like you are now or less poorer like you can potentially be if joining EU in the long future. Kosova has been, is , and always will be Albanian land. It was stolen and kept for some ages by serbs and turks, but Kosova will always be Albanian. We better start co-operating with each other, and look towards the future. We need to co-operate in science,medicine,sports etc like every other nation does with their neighbours, and not have the middle-ages ideologies of territories. Republic of Kosova is independent, get over it ! I do have a Republic of Kosova passport and I travel the world with it with no restrictions. Let's just look for the future, and let's make our countries a better place for our children ! I believe in peace. Long live people of Balkan. Long live Republic of Kosova. PEACE.
The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
The land never belonged to Serbia, even when there were 40 thousand Serbian troops there. There is no slavic land in the balkans. It is land that slavic hordes occupied in the 7th century. Open your eyes and see that even your brothers in Montenegro don't want to have anything to do with you serbs.
The eu will not allow Serbia under any circumstances to keep Kosovo in its constitution! Now removing it won't necessarily mean recognition but no future government will have it. And 63% of Serbia according to b92 ipsos say Kosovo is independent.
Not in my name Mr. President.
I didn't not vote for you and I'd rather be rich and live well in a smaller developed Serbia than in an already third world country that Serbia has become with or without Kosovo.
You are a hypocrite Mr. President because you want US to be poor not yourself, and you will continue to live in luxury for the rest of your life.
It is like all socialist hypocrites who want to share the wealth for the good cause. What they have in mind is your wealth of course, not theirs.
Our obsession with this backward province is dragging our nation into abyss. Is is easy to claim Kosovo is Serbia but a different matter to explain to the people how can we get back Kosovo that has 90% albanians who dont want to live with us?
What is not being told to us is that only terrible war and expulsion of 90% albanian population will make that possible. So the question to our people should be:
Do we want to start another war against the people of Kosovo until we fully exterminate the whole albanian population?
If so, lets those fervent nationalists and politicians send their sons and daughters die in Kosovo polje, I want to live in peace.
Serbia has lost Kosovo and prosperity too. Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia are poor and deserves to be poor, as long as they are so stupid not to understand that they are on the same boat.
The irony is when a "pagliaccio" like Nikolic is "selling" the poverty as heroic patriotism.
p.s.China is powerful, but it`s on the other side of the globe. Is it very clever to have one distant powerful friendship when all your neighbours are in NATO and EU?
If some Serbs would rather be poor than without Kosovo then shouldn't it mean that they've moved on and realized that there're more "pressing" matters than "losing" Kosovo? In this case overcoming or coping with poverty is more important than "bellyaching" about Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia. Life goes on if you know what I'm implying.
I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?
Interesting point by German Ambassador saying in 10 or 15 years, it seems harmless but I think he knows that in 15 years Serbian leaders would be people who have different idea as they would be generation that grew up without Kosovo.
People of Balkan are fed up with nationalisam they need jobs and could care less for being poor.
We shall see but if I was living in Serbia as a Engineer i would vote not to be poor as even if Kosovo came back I would not benefit some Serbian elite would.
But its easy to speak about poverty with huge bank account!
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 23:37)
Common man. Stop acting like you serbs are in charge of world order.Stop acting like you serbs care what happens in other disputed areas of the globe. You know what has happened in the world because Kosovo declared independence? Nothing. Scotland voted against independence. You know what has happened because Putin wants to show how big is d.ck is? Georgia and Ukraine get invaded.
@ cry me a river
..Boom, aren't you tired of pretending to be a Serb? Because we certainly are…
Boom does not give a dam of what you think. I have been around a long time and have seen it all, Tito, Slobo, the war and democracy, and am still hanging on in the heart of Belgrade.
You and your friends, are in all probability welfare collecting spoiled kids in EU, US or other developed countries.
Because your life is so empty of any personal achievement and your ignorance so great, you come here to vomit your hatred against Albanians calling for the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo because somewhere , someone told you about the battle of Kosovo in 1389 and all other mythological garbage pretending we have some historical claim to this desolate land today.
I have studied and researched our history and that of Albanians too, as written by independent scholars, and no matter how you look at it historically, Albanians are one the most ancient peoples of Europe, have been in their lands for thousand of years,their language is unique, probably mother tongue of Greek and Latin languages and their culture just as rich as that of their neighbors.
Trying to belittle them as sub-human as most of you try to do here, tells more about who we are than who they are.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
the continued fake voting scam here on B92 just shows once more the poor state Serbia is in. Supporting fascist movements, unwilling to report the truth, and a press which manipulates public opinion. If B92 had any backbone, they would have reported on the obviuous highjacking of their english web site and discontinued the voting system for as long as they are unable to fix that problem. But no, you pretend that everything is fine, and show your lack of democratic understanding. Serbia can't be an EU member if it acts like this and violates basic rules of journalism. Just look at when these manipulations happen, and you will notice that they come most likley from somebody in the US. That limits down the potential violators to a few die hard serb fascists enjoying living a good life in the west, and trying to stirr up problems for ordenary serb citizens. If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals.
Oh dear, Serbia is poor already. However, I have noticed that all that ranting and raving of a reply didn't address my point; you the self-confessed-Serb (Australian with an identity crisis in fact) would not sacrifice your life style in Australia for holy Kosmet. neither would your father and why would he? neither would Ari Gold. So Nikolic can make claims like the one in the this article all he likes, but they're not true. I remember in the early 90's it was another claim: "we'd rather die than give up Krajina". it wasn't true was it? you'd rather not die, you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?
we have the backing of the united states of america and the most influnental politicians in the US and that will not change because of this we have also the backing of almost all EU countrys because they are all satelite states of usa including germany since world war 2 ended also the serbian government knows it very well. serbia wants to join the EU? they need to meet the criteria the EU sets if not they will never join. imagine if serbia in midle of europe chooses the EAST (russia,china) and the US and EU imposes sanctions against serbia? serbia would go bankrupt within 72 hours and we would see 100% mass protests in belgrade begging for "EU integration"
kosovo is gone not since 2008 but since 1999 and im sure most of serbs including politicians knows that very well.
Well if Kosovo isn't "independent" because it is dependent on the West, then by that logic there isn't an "independent" country in the Balkans because they're all dependent on the West. Only last week did the EU give Serbia €175 Million to help out Serbian farmers. So much for "Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments".
it is not some kind of great or grand ideal. it is a sick obsession, it has become something deranged, it is built on lies and hypocrisy and genocide.
kosovo has nothing to do with serbia's Jerusalem, it is just a desperate strategy by the chetniks to build Israeli allies. with some success, though israeli intellectuals and human rights advocates are not impressed.
and speaking of Jerusalem, it is the holy city to so many ppl, and yes, we need to be able to share it. to protect it. to stop using it as an excuse for butchering one another.
i have never met one Kosovar who would accept the return of serbian colonial rule, in any way, on any level. whatever their religion, politics, social class. they ALL know what it would mean. even though many of us are less than thrilled with kosovo's current leadership - we can't blame the belgrade regime for everything. there is a good new article from the albanian american civic society promoting democracy and the building of civil institutions inside kosovo.
the political leadership of serbia is bankrupt, and the ppl deserve better. don't accept these fools, and allow the chetnik mystique to rule and endlessly oppress the balkans...
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 04:54) Serbia to Repopulate Kosovo?
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
When is your last time you visited Serbia outside BG, Novi Sad or Nis? Man Serbia looses 40K people just in Serbia a year.
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
(Watcher, 29 December 2014 21:59)
Watcher a few questions: You say the Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy. they had that before Milosevic plus equal voting power as Serbia in the federal govt of Yugoslavia, so now what does more than this (or autonomy) mean that would still be less than independence?
Also is Serbia ready for Kosovo to have an equal say in all international dealings?
and most importantly,
What guarantees would exist to prevent Serbia from doing the exact same thing again that they did under Milosevic and revoke any autonomy?
Now you claim Serbia will always own the land, Today Serbia claims they own the land, but they do not have any physical, political, economic or military control over the land. They do not have unlimited freedom of movement for their leaders over the land of Kosovo. They must obtain permission to visit, and more than once they have been denied entrance.
Under those conditions it is even more foolish for Serbs to claim they own the land than any argument you could give that it is foolish for Kosovo to claim independence.
Nothing you wrote there sj makes me change my mind that you would not live in penury for holy Kosmet and of course, why would you? neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues.
"Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo?"
this is a basic tool that everyone uses when they have no retort to anything. by the same token, why are you posting on the English version of B92 and not just focusing on the Serbian version if Kosovo is a part of Serbia? Why are you posting here at all if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? why do you call yourself sj if Kosovo is still Serbia? why? anyone can play this game. i stand by what I said, Serbs would not chose poverty for Kosmet, just like thery chose fleeing as opposed to fighting for Krajina
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
Smrt Fasizmu!
(Ari Gold, 31 December 2014 00:52)
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
For Serbia to "give back Kosovo", it would first have to have Kosovo which it doesn't. How can you give something you don't have? Just because Serbia has a territorial claim over Kosovo doesn't mean Serbia "has" Kosovo.
And as to your "less than Independence, more than autonomy" argument, that was already rejected as was "99% independence". What does Serbia have that will make Kosovo give up its independence? What can Serbia give Kosovo which it doesn't already have? Serbia's refusal to recognise Kosovo as well as Serbia getting her allies to try and attempt to isolate Kosovo is an annoyance for Kosovo but it is a bearable annoyance. It hasn't stopped Kosovo from being independent, all it achieved was slowing down Kosovo's international integration. It is a bitter nuisance campaign at best.
But saying all that, even though it wouldn't happen in a million years, I think it'd be hilarious if Kosovo were to become apart of Serbia. Imagine that, 1.5+ Million of age Albanian voters. Serbia would really struggle to form a Government without Albanian political parties, Serbia would be politically crippled by the Albanians blocking everything the same way Bosnia is politically crippled by the Serbs being able to block things. Be careful what you wish for because it might just come true.
To all of you who find sj and Ari Gold boring nuisances, do not feel alone. Being Serb, I am completely ashamed of their ridiculous statements. They in no way represent the average Serb and most probably have never been to Serbia. A sure way to frustrate them and make them stop posting on B92 is to IGNORE them. Do not respond to them in any manner. This is a proven method that will eliminate clowns like Ari and sj from this forum. These are the type of people we all avoid at social gatherings, they crave attention and make controversial statements to become noticed. After awhile people stop inviting them to private gatherings and they then turn to public forums just to annoy people. There is as simple solution to this toxic environment: IGNORE sj and Ari Gold.
Happy New Year!
Even with Atasari plan Serbs have some form of Autonomy inside Kosovo, where they have their own schools health care but they will not get what RS has as it has been proven it does not work. Now Serbian Politicians (Pelicans :) will say that but to the contrary there will be no Veto of Serbs starting with next election no reserve seats.
There are very few Serbs in Kosovo as they prefer to live in BG, biggest theft of Serbian funds are hapening with Serbs in KS read insider and Serbian version of B92 you see the opinion of Serbs form Serbia and if you do not speak Serbian just google translate. it is not perfect but it does the just of it.
@Peggy
...Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?...
No, she did not , but I lived many years in Kosovo and we had happy life with albanian neighbors until politicians and myths from the dark ages screwed up evth.
Put it on a referendum and I promisse you Niqkolic, you will be proved wrongg...such a uneducated statement. Kosovo is gone anyways so be rich than,oh and by the way even if you enter the EU,you will still be the same.
"At this time it is not a requirement, but no one knows what will happen in 10 or 15 years," concluded the diplomat.
Do you have to be exceptionally clever to understand that statement?
The problem with Serbian politicians is that they haven't got the guts to tell or accept the truth openly to Serbian people. The paradox is that none of these politicians can do anything "to return Kosovo to Serbia". These stupid very stupid slogan of Serbian President that Serbian people will choose poverty...and all this crap, remind me the Albanian brutal dictator Enver Hoxha saying once upon a time "we will starve/eat grass not to betray the principles of Marxism Leninism....and he "was right" like Nikolic living in a nice luxury and illusion life....Albanians will never negotiate with Serbs about what they have achieved. I hope there would be no need for me to simply further my comment to Nikolic and those who follow him.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:45)
You seem to be a sincere person, but I do not believe you take all the facts into your thought process. As mentioned before the more than autonomy less than independence was NEVER offered by Serbia and there has never been a clarification as to what that meant. The Taiwan example is not exactly right either. This was a phrase that Jeremic came up with once all talks had been exhausted (not that he created it but was the first to say it in a public forum). It was used once that it was set that when Kosovo announced independence the west would support it. It was always believed it was more a stall tactic as there was nothing to tell what was meant nor was it presented at the table at any time. The closest thing to that would be a confederation and Serbia said that was totally unacceptable just as was independence.
The other question was what guarantee is there that Serbia would not revoke this as they did in the past. The Albanians have entered into several international memberships, recognized by more than half the world the only thing Serbia is blocking is UN membership and any deal such as what you offer would not yield that either. Taiwan is not a UN member. And actually Kosovo and Serbia are closer to the Taiwan/China relationship now than under a proposal you suggest. Neither recognizes the others authority.
As far as Putin, just because he says, does not mean it is an accepted statement. There are no similarities in the two.
If you believe what Putin says then you should also believe that Litvinenko's favorite drink was polonium. I already told you what my opinion is: The same solution that Montenegro & Serbia have.If Serbs in Montenegro and Serbs in Serbia cannot get along enough to live in the same country why should Albanians live under the oppression of the serbs that butchered us in 1999?It is hypocritical and criminal to ask Albanians to live with serbs when even serbs don't want to live with serbs.It is hypocritical to ask Albanians to live under serbia when all the other slavic people of ex-Yougoslavia don't want to have anything to do with the serbs. So please stop going around in circles with the nonsense of offering solutions based on the model of how Chinese people solve the problems with other Chinese people in H.Kong & Taiwan or how West Germans solve their problems with the east Germans. Those solutions apply to people of the same ethnicity. And in case of Kosovo those solutions will be appropriate if Albanians in Albania had a problem with Albanians in Kosovo,which is not the case.
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia.
(Watcher, 30 December 2014 21:27)
Sure, that's easy... If you want to hear those words to be happy, sure, the LAND BELONGS TO SERBIA (whatever that means). So, I assume now you are good with Serbia to stay out of Kosovo's business and Kosovo to stay out of Serbia's business.
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 30 December 2014 12:20)
You finally got it. That's all Kosovo cares about - not to be controlled by Serbia. They don't have any problem to be controlled even by the devil, as long as it is not Serbia.
Taiwan & PR China have the "One-China" policy, both agree there is only one China but there are two governments. However PR China says it WILL have control of Taiwan by 2020.
There will be peace between Kosovo and Serbia, just like there is peace now. Serbia is powerless to have a conflict with Kosovo, it isn't in a position to go into combat.
You say it is a frozen conflict, but Kosovo would disagree with you. Of course Kosovo finds Serbia's non-recognition an inconvenience but for them, there is no conflict or dispute; it is Serbia which has the problem & believes that Kosovo's independence is illegal. Kosovo would disagree & say that its independence isn't illegal as no international organisation or international court has found their independence to be illegal; Kosovo would use the ICJ ruling in their favour.
I don't think Kosovo's & Serbia's futures will be "miserable", both economies are steadily growing. Of course neither have the best economies in Europe. You can't expect either of them to have an amazing economies after 40+ years of socialism that was followed by a sudden transition to capitalism which itself was interrupted by the conflicts of the 90s.
What IS HAPPENING as a "solution" is almost a cross between the solutions between Northern Ireland (UK) & Republic of Ireland and East Germany & West Germany. I would explain how, but if I were, I could easily end up writing an entire book on the subject.
If Willi Praff has repeatedly stated that "organ harvesting was necessary" because the Serbs "deserved" it, you won't struggle to produce a couple of links to back it up will you?
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 12:22)
Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier who, as Boom also mentioned furher down, represents the typ of person who is a looser in real life, and tries to get some attention through his redicules claims.
The only thing I ever said is, that I would be the first one who would condem it if it was ever proven to be true.
sunshine, i'm using sj as an example to show that mr Nikolic is wrong. Serbs will not choose poverty for holy Kosmet. they've made assertions similar to this before, we will fight to the death for Krajina and all that, they don't fight to the death, they flee
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality. You still think those countries will change their mind, in fact they're calling on other remaining countries to recognise us. You need an ambulance now?...sorry i forgot, yugo not starting in cold weather, make your way to hospital somehow as Toma said you rather live in poverty.
Really I am convinced Serbia has no plan for Kosovo tell me a realistic way you will return Kosovo under Serbia without War?
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
i agree with you.
However, even if the Serbs choose the stupid way, as they did in 1999, they would be crushed. The Serb military has been degraded not what it was in the past. Also, there are many Serbian Mothers in Black living in Belgrade and other parts of Serbia. Few would allow their remaining sons to come home in body bags.
well sj, you are proving my point. Nikolic claims Serbs would prefer to be poor than lose holy Kosmet, so do you prefer to prefer to live in poverty if it meant Serbia keeps Kosovo? I submit that you don't and of course, you'd be stupid to
yep, you've been saying many things sj, like paid 20.00 EURO's in 1994, Ukrainian protesters paid a rate of $30.00 plus a hot meat, German industrialists plotting Merkel's downfall, Serbia will get back Vukovar, none of which has ever happened or is going to happen. i'm going to go even further than you, even if Russia goes all the way to Serbia (and its never going to happen), Kosovo is still not going back. what you will have left, are stories about Dushan to console you at night.
As for industries, there is no doubt that Kosovo is poor. Thing is though, there are are things in motion here, like Fox Marble a UK mining company focused exclusively here, employing locals here. what you need to do is compare it to what industry was there here when Belgrade was in charge? none.
as for youth leaving, yes it is a problem which not one person will hide from. however, Kosovo as a state has only been in existence 6 years, not one person has ever thought that by year 6 unemployment would reach 3%. the asylum figures which undoubtedly show a hight number of Albanians, also show a significant number of Serbs. so things are not rosy in the heavenly state either. as a matter of fact, the average salary in Serbia is roughly the same or maybe 20 EURO's higher than it is in Kosovo.
i note though that you do not deny that Kosovo doesn;t mean so much to you that you'd be willing to give up your life in Australia for it and frankly, you'd be stupid to
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
(Elena, Greece, 30 December 2014 09:08)
Elena we don't need to. We have the West with us, Serbia has authoritarian, dictatorships, bankrupt and countries based on medieval caste systems. Those who support us, while not perfect have societies that are fairer. This is what we are striving to emulate. Serbia emulates Russia, China, Venezuela; societies where one part of society kills, persecutes,and mistreats anything they deem as other, different, " not like us".
As for your other statement that's pure nonsense. Kosova was not paradise on earth when Serbia had it under total control. Its definitely better now. So where is the incentive. I constantly hear the incessant cacophony of the Serbs about how good it would be if Kosova was under Serbia. I have yet to hear one thing that will be better for Albanians under that scenario than what we have now.Especially under a bankrupt,impoverished, xenophobic country like Serbia.
Nikolic should stop talking. Everyone can see that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia any more, eventhough on paper it still may be and that is the crux of the matter.
Sometimes it is better to accept your losses and move on. Serbia is better of without Kosovo and Kosovo is better of without Serbia. If he could utter those words then we can all accept closure of a bitter 'divorce' and move on and build a future.
As a strong supporter of Kosovo independence on a Serbia hosted website, I have always been disappointed in the number of votes for and against my comments as it would seem natural that the majority of readers would be opposed to my comments. It is nice to see that it has been corrected.
I don't think anyone comes on here to try and convince the others they are wrong, but more to dispel the myths.
But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task. So to Ian, willi, Nikolle, and others take pride in those "no" votes. As a matter of fact when you reread your comments vote no so it looks even more impressive.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. Somebody uses a proxy server like 'Hide my Ass' https://www.hidemyass.com/servers which enables the user to hide and change his/her ip number, which identifies ther user/ commentator on the internet. B92 so far only let one user with his real ip number vote once, and if that person tried to vote again with his ip number, the vote simply wasn't counted.
With this vpn software the person actually has access to 98,926 different ip addresses, and could vote that many times without B92 even noticing it.
So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results. There are also lots of other softerware tools like the one mentioned above on the market, and one of the serb ultra nationalists / fascists is using one of those systems to fake the comments voting.
It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
There are still some 20 countries that have not recognized Montenegro, does that mean they are not independent? You Serbs claim everything, if not a UN member not independent, if not recognized by everyone, not independent, if not recognized by Serbian not independent. But the fact of the matter is that Kosovo is dependent on Serbia for nothing, and Serbia has no control over Kosovo in any way. It is recognized by all the countries that it needs to do business with and every organization it needs to be a member of. The rest is just icing on the cake. Instead of concerning yourself about the 75 countries that have not established diplomatic ties with Kosovo you should concern yourself with the majority of countries in the world that says Serbia is dead wrong and Kosovo is an independent country.
See you cannot say truthfully that 75 countries support Serbia by not recognizing Kosovo. The truth is you have about 30 that do so the rest just have not had a reason to enter into the discussion as it in no way affects them. Maybe a shocker to you but Serbia is not the center of the universe and on a daily basis, people concern themselves with matters that are important to them.
There is only one or two countries that matter. At present Russia will not allow Kosovo, more due to the US than Serbia. China would probably abstain from a vote. The EU countries will work out by the time it matters.
So lets say that Russia "wins in Ukraine" whatever that means, what will happen with Kosovo? Will Russia invade Kosovo to help Serbia "win in Kosovo"? Hahaha. Russia doesn't have the capacity to use its forces beyond its weak immediate neighbours. You really are an old senile fool. Yes Russia has nukes, but so do other countries, any nuclear war will mean the end of the world, so neither Serbia or Kosovo will no longer exist. And another thing, Russia doesn't have friends, only interests.
And yes there aren't many Western big businesses based in Kosovo, but we've seen how big Western business have conned and abused Serbia's economy by investing there and virtually taking all the profit. And I know that you like go on about how poor Kosovo is and it is poor by European standards, but here are some facts. Kosovo's GDP (PPP) per capita in 2008 was $2,300, it is now at $9,500 (almost 3x of Moldova's). When Kosovo separated from Serbia in 2008, Serbia's GDP (PPP) per capita was $8,200. That alone speaks volumes. But then again, it wasn't hard to make Kosovo's economy grow after how "successful" it was doing under Yugoslav/ Serbian rule. When you're starting at the bottom, the only way is up.
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
-- Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty. So what is our incentive here to want to be part of Serbia?
Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
-- Sure they do. Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery.
-- Sure. No problem. Kosovo's economy has been growing it separated from Serbian terror. But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. What do us mere mortals now?
Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
-- Sure they do. Especially since time is inconsequential in the heavenly kingdom and for heavenly people. So the Serbs have time, money, God, law and Kosova on their side. Then what's the problem? I can't see it.
Serbia wont be poor if they are smart and open their eyes ...china is the economy power in the world today, who cares what America and EU say anymore....wake up.....china ,Russia an the brics and their friends are it..
Ditching US dollar: China, Russia launch financial tools in local
currencies
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China steps in as the banker to call in a pinch
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
As far as Ukraine goes, I guess it depends on what you call win and lose. Crimea is probably for all intents and purposes gone. It is not an important enough issue for anyone to intervene militarily as why would anyone fight to return the land when the overwhelming majority want to be in Russia. If the people of Crimea decide otherwise it may be different. The rest of Ukraine will probably be unstable for years or decades, is that what you call a win? Russia's problems with the pipeline which initiated the idea of south stream has just multiplied astronomically.
Any win in Ukraine means nothing in the Kosovo game. Ukraine is a border state and part of the Russian zone. Kosovo's connection to Russia is merely that of support for Serbia, there is a huge margin of difference between supporting an issue and going to war for it. If Russia was going to do something it would have before it progressed this far. And they have said time and time again that they cannot be more Serbian that Serbia.
The only way you would be right is if there IS a WW3, and then who knows how the spoils will be split up, and then you would probably be best worried about your home and not your so called homeland. As a western supporter Australia would probably be a Russian target.
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit.
(sj, 31 December 2014 08:11)
By what you write, you must be about 60 years old. Why can't you act your age rather than behave as a 14 year old brat.
First off sj, you can write whatever you like anywhere, not just on a Serbian based website. however, when you tell outright lies and concoct stories, people pick you up on it, OK? you can still write whatever you want, but make your tales believable. i mean, you wrote it is fact that protesters were paid money to go out and protest in Ukraine. where you read this fact, i don't know, but to me its nonsense. just like that other garbage about having witnessed a similar incident in mainland Serbia in 1994. just like that other rubbish about rumours of German industrialists plotting Merkel's removal. not that this bothers me or frightens me as you like to think, i simply use it to illustrate how wrong you are. so my advise to you mr Crimea-is-the-back-door-to-China (Korea is much nearer to China than Crimea), lie away all you want, but make them believable
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Hmm, how do we explain then that Taiwan is recognized by only 20-30 countries is still much richer than, say, China?! It appears that the reality does not fit with your theory, which means that your theory is garbage :)
Anyway, Kosovars are happy with 108 recognitions vs 0 recognitions when they were under Serbia. So if they are happy relative to the past, who cares what you say!
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Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 00:26)
Sure, BRICS has much more money but also many more mouths to feed. So what it is your point?
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
(sj, 31 December 2014 11:41)
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
(Andreas, 1 January 2015 15:57)
I could use that argument for Serbia too as 80,000 left in 2014. Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim. Kosovo will have a larger economy than Moldova soon and Moldova has twice as many people as Kosovo.
Kosovo's economy is growing a lot better than Ethiopia's. Like I said Kosovo's current GDP (PPP) per capita is larger than what Serbia's was in 2008 when Kosovo left Serbia.
@Elena
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
--My point exactly. No international independence inside Serbia, so wtf would we gain? Instead of getting western funds directly, they'd have to go through Serbia, they'd take their cut and we'd get whatever Serbia felt like. Can't see how that'd put us in a better position than now.Instead of doing business directly with more than half of the world we'd have to do it through Serbia and its bipolar whims. Still don't see how that gets us in a better position than now.
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper...
-- The West has been feeding Greece for the past two years. Why don't you just refuse the money. Refuse it and get it from the BRICS. You can't because at the end of the day no matter the BS you and Serbs write it's the west that ends up feeding you.Just refuse the EU and their money. Go get it from the BRICS if the EU isn't the only place to get free money. Meanwhile uncle Putin still wants his gas money.
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
My reference is to you as a Serb and not where you live. I do not buy the sudden emergence of "Greek" supporters that suddenly appeared here. Most people in the English version are not from Serbia. Serbs in Serbia view the Serbian version of b92.
Now it your ignorance that shines here. China's decision on anything will not affect their position on Tibet or Taiwan. They will forever have veto power in the UNSC and they can and will use it should either want anything from the UN. Russia will be Russia and its stance has more to do with its relationship with the west and not Serbia, should Putin fall the support for Serbia may fall with it.
The other countries are insignificant, a formal recognition only means a shift of numbers. If Kosovo makes it to a vote before the UNGA it matters not if they have 108 supporters or 180 it is still more than the required half for a membership vote.
The remarks about Montenegro was simply to show that recognition is not high on the priority list of many countries.
None of the 5 EU countries are strong enough to really show a resistance to what the majority of EU wants(especially Greece) so when it is necessary those votes will come.
The other conflicts you mention were conflicts long before anyone knew what Kosovo was and will be so long afterward. Albania taking Kosovo would be stealing, people living on the land voting to no longer be a part of Serbia is self determination. big difference.
Stop using out of date figures. Kosovo's unemployment rate WAS at 45%. In 2013 it was at 30.9% and now that we're in 2015, it will be even lower. Also one has to bare in mind that that if Northern Kosovo was taken out of the equation, Kosovo would have an even lower unemployment rate. Kosovo's economy is set to grow by 3.3% this year and it is scheduled to overtake Moldova's economy despite Moldova having a population twice the size of Kosovo.
"Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of."
Apart from mining minerals, steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods and machinery, wine and tobacco production, forestry and paper production, manufacturing of construction materials, a self reliant energy sector ect.
Agriculture and farming accounts for over 25% of Kosovo's economy, also Kosovo has a huge services sector; tourism is even growing in Kosovo.
Yeah Kosovo doesn't have an amazing economy but it is growing and improving year upon year.
But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple.
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:47)
Say you are right, and that what? Should Kosovo give up the 108 recognitions and go back under Serbia because, according to you, 75 countries have not recognized it?! So, really not sure what is the action step that you are suggesting to Kosovo based on your analysis above?!
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nicole, keep on writing, you are a becaon on this page. You have wit, knowledge, and the determination to spread the truth here on B92. You are by far superiour to people like sj and others.
The problem is there are no riches waiting for Serbia for betraying Kosovo-Metohija. This was the premise that the far left EU fanatics posed that if Serbia betrayed it's national interests, prosperity was just around the corner. We have seen now after more than a decade of EU has no alternative policies that this is not the case.
We also can't pretend that Serbia's opinion doesn't matter. Serbia legalized EULEX and only Serbia can legalize amputation of its territory because Kosovo-Metohija is Serbia. EU knows this and that's why the constant pressure on Serbia to even implement the "kosovo constitution" as if it's ever been the job of one country to implement the laws of another.
Serbs back home must know that without sovereignty and independence, there can be no economic prosperity. Kosovo-Metohija= Srpski Jerusalem
The ONLY way we all can move forward is "less than Independence, more than autonomy"! Heartburn for all...but the only right way. The Albanians can have their own language, schools, police, economy, the the land will always belong to Serbia.
Albanians keep saying "we are independent", yet scream for Serbia to recognize them.
Serbians keep saying "never", yet keep giving away little by little.
Enough...Give the Albanians all they want...short of the deed to the land! Let's all move forward...Tiawan style.
Everybody knows that KIM is a special land for Serbian identity. But the counterpart use pressure instead diplomacy. Meanwhile I think there’s a small chance to make Serbs less emotional over the lands where they shed so much blood. I mean the battles on Kosovo Poljie had other than we are told context. Say in 1389 all the commanders on both sides were Orthodox Christians and even Scaliger history cannot conceal it. To say nothing that the "Serbian" side kept the battlefield and thus took the upper hand.
Moreover before 18-th century proto-Turks and Arabs were like slaves in what is known as Ataman Empire. Most of the Sultans , Khalifs and Pashas were either of Caucasian (Fatimide and other Dynasties) or Balkan origin while Murad II in fact was the Russian Khan Dmitry Donskoy. As a matter of fact Bayazed I is supposed to be his son Vasily (Bazilevs) … So I think that the Kosovo battle was just a part of the civil war inside the Great Horde and "Serbs" equally fought on both sides.
But today KIM problem reminds me of the situation over Crimea and Ukraine when the West accepts only one compromise – capitulation. Serbs are offered only one solution – surrender. But with such an approach the Albanian side has zero motivation for any real talks and so for the time being Serbia also has to be stubborn. How can they leave their people their graves their churches and monasteries ? So I expect progress only after the outcome of the Russia-NATO conflict becomes evident.
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I have not been at this web site in month and I must say: 'It even got worse'. I do not know any other web site from a European media source that provides a platform to spread racism, hate and fascist ideas like B92 does. I thought Serbia wants to become a member of the EU, but B92 promotes ideas, which have nothing to do with the way Western Europe thinks, and in almost any other comment openly fascist ideas are spread. Albanians are still portrait as sub-human which stole Serb territory and should be killed or chaised out of their country, and any other ethnic group / country besides Serbs and Russians are monsters. No refection on the ethnic cleansing and mass murders committed by Serbs all over the Balkans in the 90's, and Milosevic's helpers are being glorified. There is no other country in Europe which openly acts like that. It seems as if you never will learn, and what you need is a de-nazification like Germany had after WWII.
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
first of sj, you 'truth's don't disturb me, they amuse me. what does disturb me. second the English version of b92 is addressed to those who speak English, it's not addressed to Serbian English speakers. if it were, then perhaps those who own the portal could make that clear. so you can't stop me from contributing here. if it placates you, i don't follow the Serbian version of B92. however, i also comment on articles on the BBC, CNN, the Telegraph, New York Times, Guardian and yes Kosova live, TVKlan, zeri.net. koha.net and others.
as for Germany, sunshine, you wrote Merkel's removal was being plotted by unhappy industrialists. care to tell me where you read this? because you see, what i think is that you've seen an Oliver Stone movie and constructed a story of your own. if what you say is true, you must have read it somewhere. just tell me where and its all done. also, i never said industries don't have an influence on politics.
as for this "It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever." first of, i have never had a facade to begin with, i have never made up stories. nor have i ever written rubbish like, Crimea is the back door to China, its only 2000 km away from China but its the back door still
This is a message to all the commenters about kosovo/kosova/dardania/kosovo&metohija. I speak only the truth and no matter how much you twist the truth it's still the truth. If you twist my truth you are just lying to yourself.
1. Your comments here are more for entertainment and have zero effect in changing the political reality of Kosovo.
2. To serbs, sorry if the truth hurts, but albanians were here in balkans when you arrived in 6th-7th century.
3. To albanians, sorry if the truth hurts, but serbs were the majority in 1389.
4. Do i have to remind you that Kosovo was ruled by serbs in 1389 and in yugoslavia and it was ruled by albanians at the end of ottoman empire and nowdays.
5. Both albanians and serbs want to normalize their relations because it is in their own interest.
6. As for being friends one day, nobody knows, but future geopolitical changes will have an impact on them being friends or continuing being enemies.
7. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year (from an orthodox albanian that puts ethnicity before religion).
this is the sort of things people say all the time. i wonder, is Ari Gold, Peggy, sj, etal willing to give up their comfortable life style oceans away from Serbia for holy Kosmet? of course not
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 17:13)
I was born where I live but you certainly are not. Even English is a second language to you but its not for me and your claim that you live in Kosova is pure Albo BS. I suggest you buy a mirror Mustapha.
Any ambiguity about recognition of Kosovo as independent-sovereign State by Serbia should be eliminated.The word from Serbia and its people is EMFATICLY NO. If anyone from EU or EU State think that Kosovo should be independent sovereign state, should make legal request to UNSC.EU is not obligated by any laws to accept Serbia's application for membership.Serbia should always be receptive to discuss anything with Kosovo Albanians other then sovereinty
Hahaha you think that Kosovo must have some secret formula as it has managed to lower its unemployment rate. Like I said, when you're starting at the bottom like Kosovo was under Yugoslav rule, the only way is up. And no, I didn't get it out of the CIA World Fact Book (CIA WFB). But I suppose because there is something similar in the CIA WFB it must be a lie. The CIA WFB says that Japan's flag is white with a red circle in the middle, that's a lie too because the CIA WFB said it. Just because you don't want Kosovo to have industries doesn't mean they don't exist. I know you can't stand the fact that Kosovo's economy is growing because it isn't in line with the picture that you paint that Kosovo is dirt poor and dependent on the EU. And yes, Kosovo may receive a lot of funds from the EU, but Serbia receives even more funds than Kosovo. Only last week did the EU give millions and millions of Euros to help out Serbian farmers. Outside of Novi Sad and central Belgrade, Serbia is an incredibly poor country.
Maybe tour guides can tell them how 66% of all Mosques in Kosovo were destroyed/ damaged by Yugoslav forces in the Kosovo War? To be honest sj, when I go travelling, which I do quite frequently, I really cannot stand seeing stupid Churches. Tourists who go to Kosovo go to Pristina, mountain walking and skiing. Once you've seen one church, you're seen them all. Who goes on holiday to look at Churches?
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
always suspected you lived in a hospital sj.
(Nikolle, 29 December 2014 23:06)
Suspect away mate, but I repeat I was born in Australia and English is my first language, but you were not born in the country that you live in, but now pretend you are in Kosovo but the closest you get to that sink hole is via the internet.
You just described Serbia. So what's your point? Serbia is a small poor country surviving on EU handouts. Your whole argument is that Serbia is a little less poor than Kosova. Having made this point you still survive on handouts from the EU.You're in the same $h!ty situation, begging the EU for money to keep the country afloat. Despite all the bravado at the end of the day you go and beg, beg the EU so that your people have food on the table.
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the Serbia where its citizens could not identify the cities when given a map of the Serbia with only city boundaries and no other writing.
(sj, 1 January 2015 21:58)
You cannot have the land of 2 million Albanians just because you build churches to justify territory claims from our people 700 years ago.
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
There aren't 2 million people in total that have ever lived in Kosovo-Metohija at one time. Today, with the Presevo valley, there are probably 1.4 million Albanians. It has ALWAYS been a myth that was peddled about this 2 million crap. In fact, ironically, the time period in which most Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija is not some phantom ethnic cleansing in the 90s, but right now actually. Albanians are leaving to settle in the West.
So Serbia should just wait. Focus on repopulating Kosovo-Meothija with Serbs again, especially those who were ethnically cleansed. If the Community of Serb Municipalities is the way to do that, to temporarily work within your system, so be it. And just wait. Serbia is already in the UN, it doesn't have to concede for anything. EU membership will never come for Serbia with or without Kosovo-Metohija.
And Willi Pfaff the Nazi dinosaur, next time you are visiting your heroin republic, look up this guy in Mitrovica, he's been kind of a hit lately. I think you will too will get along famously! http://nation.com.pk/snippets/27-Dec-2014/hitler-charges-60-for-photographs
(Demi, 29 December 2014 23:14)
Explain to me what has the “international community” done for Kosova since 1999 and please no crap about freedom since you can’t cook and eat it. What industry have they opened in Kosova? When did they do this?
On the issue of Albanians being there from time immemorial there is no archaeological proof at all. There are Roman ruins, Serb churches and other structures and Turkish buildings but not one that can be traced back to Albanians or for that matter a connection between Albanians and Illyrians. Yes there are plenty of dubious texts making this claim but no proof.
You say that important countries recognise Kosova, but why don’t they do something about the so called official level of unemployment of 45%? But are they the same countries which lost a war in Afghanistan and now trying to dislodge Russia from Ukraine? If they are, then they are not doing a very good job on any front.
I would not hold my breath about a Kosova army since it requires money unless you intend to bring back the horse cavalry. Lad, Thaci is just jerking your chain with this army business.
Who are you trying to convince with all this? I fell your trying to convince yourself no one else.
You are confusing the term "independent" with not being governed by Serbia. Today, Kosovo-Metohija, outside of the Serbian populated parts who have managed to survive ethnic cleansing and genocide, is NOT controlled by Serbia. But the the Albanian community are certainly dependent in every single way.
Dependent on Serbia's government first and foremost to help prop up Pristina institutions. Dependent on Western tax payers to help finance all of this just to end up still deeply impoverished. Billions have been donated to Kosovo-Metohija and without it, things would go from bad to dire.
Racist anti-Serbian policy by powerful Western governments which you support because of your unhealthy complex for God knows what reason has sponsored the kosovar project. This has helped in the beginning, but it did not receive the legalization it needs on the world stage in order to be a real country. Now its up to Serbia's weak elite to not give in to capitulation but its plain as day that this is the strategy now.
You just think YOU have the right to decide what countries should be dismembered (Serbia), what countries ought to stay together (Croatia, Bosnia, Ukraine), what rebellions to oppose (eastern Ukraine) and what rebellions to support (the Islamist Jihad against Assad and Syria). That's because you operate out of a space of bigotry and hatred, not principle.
The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2,500,000 and no more.
(sj, 1 January 2015 13:32)
Please don’t take Piff Phaff so serious. After his last reincarnation he got a German name but inside he remained the old and kelmending (to and fro) Albanian.
"I just have one question how does he plan to convince 1.7M people or 2 not sure how many are there to be part of Serbia?" - Atlla
I just have one question, how do Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija plan to convince 70-80 countries worldwide, not sure how many are there, that Kosovo and Metohija is not part of Serbia? Yeah that's right, they can't. As for the nice dilemma "poverty or Kosovo", I think it applies better to Albanians in Kosovo, as their poverty is by far higher and it will remain like that unless Serbia recognizes independence. So, it will remain like that for ever.
Serbia will never be poor. In fact your allies the Germans are breaking their necks to open industry in Serbia proper, but last time I read the west has not opened a can of coke in Kosova.
Nikolic’s statement is an expression that the Serb people are willing to tough it out if necessary. The EU is s****** itself over Serbia in fear that it will turn to Russia and the EU will except Serbia’s position and that is what Albanians in Kosovo fear the most.
However, regardless all of this theoretical since Ukraine will fall and then its Europe. They are not fighting over Ukraine because it’s a nice holiday spot. The dice are rolling and its winner takes all. So far the west has bankrupt itself in fighting losing wars and if the US continues the current path, the demonstrations will look like a picnic compared to what’s to come.
willi pfaff said, "If you can't get the problem under control you have to shut down the voting system, because by continuing this farce you become guilty of supporting theses criminals."
Laugh of the day......
Willi is pissed he is getting so many negative votes on B92. Get a life!
Just ask yourself this question. How many countries have recognised Kosovo and who are they? Take a deep breath, i know its hard to swallow it but just take it easy and you will be fine. When you find out the answer, you will know that for over 15 years you're livin in a dream and we are the reality.
(Dardan USAlbania, 30 December 2014 09:56)
Here is an article by Albanian daily Albeu http://english.albeu.com/news/news/only-4-states-recognized-kosovo-in-2014/179631/ confirming that only 4 countries recognized your proclamation and that 2014 was your worst year in that regard. So what it shows is that those who were going to recognize it already did back in 08. This was obvious as a clear racial bias of Western policy in the Balkans continued when the Western gov'ts failed to succeed in legalizing the amputation at the UN.
No I promise you, I am more fearful of how much Belgrade will concede. They already have done a lot of damage in my opinion and agreeing to EULEX and the Brussels agreement did a lot more bad than anything YOU could do.
It's all about Belgrade at this point. Your stillborn project has reached its peak a few years ago.
Willi Pfaff said "It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether."
Willi sounds like a sissy-he's whining, again.
I'm so glad this is bothering you soooooo.....much.
hahahahahhaha
Go away as you are a f***whit. You post crap.
(sj, 2 January 2015 12:02)
Nikolle, when sj runs out of unsupported dribble he usually resorts to insults or changes the subject completely. But if looks like you have totally demolished him.
(kudos, 2 January 2015 23:51)
Kudos, at the asylum, he is known as sj=spamming jackass
@ Mark
I understand what you're trying to say, you just can't understand the problem.
If Serbia has to give back Kosovo, then everybody everywhere has to start returning lands that don't belong to them from since...oh, let's say..the times of Christ.
If Albanians get Kosovo by force, then why doesn't everybody get land back by force?
i'm not trying to belittle the Albanians here, I think they got a screaming deal for their money, but where does that leave all the rest of world with ambitions for return of lands? And when is it going to stop?
Without a deal between Serbia & Kosovo Albanians, there is nothing in the future, but violence. Why cannot you see this?
This is addressed to Mark and Demi and other Kosovo Albanians who thinks along the lines of Mark and Demi.Whether you agree or disagree Kosovo is in semi independent status today.You have authority to do everything needed to enhance prosperity of your people.You are still under the UN resolution 1244 and NATO presence.Kosovo international borders are in control of Serbian authority.To change that you would have to go to UNSC,present you case and ask for full sovereign independent State of Kosovo.Fruitless and endless arguments outside of UNSC will not change anything.I certainly was looking in all of the recorded history and I could not find that Kosovo Albanian State ever existed in any form.In the mean time take it easy on Serbian Churches and Monasteries.I do not think anybody in Europe attacking any churches the way you do in Kosovo.
Everyone is poor except the Albanians in Kosovo. How could I not see that?
My father is near 90 so he can’t even travel. I was not born in Serbia and I have not lived there but it is a place where my ancestors come from and it’s a place where I frequently visit. Kosovo belongs to Serbs from Serbia and they are the ones who will not let it go and I support them.
“...you'd rather flee and give it up and who can blame you?”
Last time I heard young Albanians are leaving Kosovo on mass because there is nothing for them so I’m not sure what you mean by this statement.
Why are you are obsessed with posting on this site if Nikolic or Vucic etc can do nothing about an independent Kosovo? I think you spend more time trying to convince yourself by constantly posting on B92. Here is an idea why not start a media site for Albanians? That way you don’t have to post here.
Now tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated?
Just because your grandson has a bad taste for women it doesn't mean that Serbs should give away what's theirs and what was defended by their ancestors' blood. As for the Albanian history...Coca Cola has a longer history in Europe than Albania. Albanians are indeed ancient though, their nation originates in Northern Azerbaijan, where 26 Albanian tribes formed a State which was in fact independent until 400 BC. They came to Europe many years later through Anatolians (Ottomans). By the way, I don't believe sh*t about your ethnicity. It's clear to everyone that you are a desperate Albanian with no personal life, no interests and a lot of hate for Serbia. Shame on you.
I have said many times before if Russia loses in Ukraine then you have won and Kosovo is lost, but if not start looking for a new home.
I answered your question now answer mine tell me what industries have your allies moved to Kosovo to employ their friends? Which German or US firms have relocated to Pristina?
I note no comment on your youth leaving Kosovo.
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak
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Nobody who is old enough to have a married grandson would say it that way.
You are not fooling anybody.
Now put your crappy white cap on and move to your own site. You are not more Serb or as old as that than I am Albnian.
(pss, 31 December 2014 16:33)
Crimea is extremely important. Have you ever heard of the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade? Well that involved the Brits fighting the Russians over Crimea. In fact the Victoria Cross, the highest military award, is made out of metal from a couple of captured Russian canons. Crimea is the door to central Asia and backdoor to China.
Ukraine is a battle for Europe. Who wins in Ukraine controls Europe. The US is not fighting tooth and nail for nothing. Who takes over Europe dictates what happens to Kosovo. There will be no wars over Kosovo. I don’t understand where these ideas come from? It is in Russia’s interest to have a frozen conflict just like Georgia.
South stream is there to avoid Ukraine just like the pipeline built that bypasses Poland and goes direct to Germany via the Baltic sea.
What is never mentioned in the western media is that China is on Russia’s side and what China says Australia will do. The US wanted to station several thousand troops in northern Australia (at our expense of course) but China said only 2500 and no more.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2015 14:19)
If Kosovo has managed to reduce its level of unemployment to 30% perhaps they might pass on their secret to economic success to the US and EU.
“ steel manufacturing, textiles, processed foods, manufacturing of white goods.....”
This is word for word out of a book and 30% unemployment comes from the CIA’s so called factbook which is utter crap. There is no industry in Kosovo. The biggest employer is the government and it would not survive without EU funding so that makes the 30% figure pure fabrication.
What white goods??????? Have you been drinking cooking sherry again?
“tourism is even growing in Kosovo” I’d like to be there when Albos take the tourists around and try and explain the lack of Albo monuments in Kosovo or try and sell the idea that Serb Churches and Monasteries are actually Albanian. Or even better when tourists visit these places and the monks tell them of constant harassment by local Albos who hate everyone. Yep it should be good.
“..but it is growing and improving year upon year.” The French have been saying the same of Chad for the last 50 years.
Please stop writing crap.
@ A new day & Ian UK,
Very good debating points. Thanks for replying with cool heads....
Serbia offered "Less than Independence, more than autonomy", but was rejected because global powers dictated for them not to accept it.
Under that plan, Serbia never expected or even offered the Albanians to come under Serb control. It offered the Tiawan system...we stay out of your business, you stay out of our business...but the LAND belongs to Serbia. Thats how the Tiawan system is set up...China has no say in what Tiawan does..Tiawan does business with whoever and wherever they want.
Both are OK with the deal.
If things stay how they are now, can you realistically see peace for our offspring? Again,not saying the Albanians will be happy because the Serbs are not happy about it either, but it's a way out of this frozen conflict.
Under that plan, investments would open up for Kosovo & Serbia. If the Albanians were able to build a sucessful economy and show the world and Serbia they were capable, I think that would be wonderful for everybody, Serbia included.
Other than that, I think Serbia & Albanians are in for a miserable future.
Again, thanks for listening
And here is a personal disclosure for you, my grandson is married to a stunningly beautiful Albanian girl and I speak Albanian fluently, does that bother you bigoted racist that probably don’t even speak Serbian properly?
(boom, 30 December 2014 18:42)
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Good for your grandson. Now, did she teach you to speak Albanian so well?
How did you learn it. From your own parents perhaps? How does a Serb living in Belgrade get to speak Albanian fluently just because he has an Albanian in-law?
If she did teach you to speak Albanian fluently then bravo for her.
I understand that your grandson and his wife cannot live happily ever after in Serbia or in Albania and that's a big problem. But this is why all parents in the world explain to their children why marrying someone from their country's enemy is not wise. Just because you and your children failed to explain that to your gdandson and raise him properly it doesn't mean you have the right to lecture any of us about how we should defend our country. Obviously you are not Serb, even if your DNA is Serbian. But the rest of us are Serbs in everything, including our hearts. You accuse Serbs from diaspora of being "safely patriots", since it's easy for them to lecture about Serbia without living here. But each of these Serbs is more of a Serb than you will ever become. KosMet is SERBIA. If Albanians ever realize that then maybe, just maybe, we can all forgive, forget and live happily ever after, including your grandson and his wife. But until that day comes, get a life and get off our backs.
"Thanks Ian, most people here know that Ari is a creep and pathetic lier"
We all know that, Willi Silly. After all, it's obvious from the votes that you get and the ones that Ari gets. Now go bully one of the EU fellow commenters, Serbia is not an EU memebr State and thanks to people like you, it will never become because Serbs are smart enough to know that GU and G-euro are not a solution for them.
Elena the screen names "a new day" and "cry me a river" belong to the same American. occasionally he uses other nicknames too, like "Answerer" when "cry me a river" asks a question and all of a sudden an "answerer" appears to answer "cry me a river"'s question LOL. either he likes talking to himself or his life is really miserable and empty. don't waste your time replying to him, ignore him and read his posts only when you feel like laughing.
Well, here is how B92's voting system is fooled. "
You are on a Serbian website spreading anti-serbian propaganda and still you expect anti-serb comments to be more popular than pro-serb comments? Are you for real? Finally the votes show the real truth and the real opinion and if you dont like it there is noone forcing you to come here.
"It's time for B92 to do something, otherwise its reputation will be further tarnished, and it might as well stop its english web site altogether." (Willi Pfaff )
I thought Willi was a male name. I guess Willi is a girl.
Willi quit this drama and just accept it: We don't like your comments. Go to an Albanian website to post, I'm sure there you will be the Queen of the website.
Silly Willi Pfaff wrote : "So, if B92 wants to be a reputable media source, they simple have to abandom their voting system, because it no longer will show real and true results."
Silly Willi I haven't been "voting" much so far and I don't remember voting any of your comments ever. But from now on every time I see one of your comments, I will "give the thumbs down" without even reading it.
llir,You may have a Kosovo Passport but that does not mean anything. That can change very eazy with in a week.Take a good look at EU it's a mad dog chasing its tail and Kosovo is the rear end of the dog, going around and around.Sooner or later you will use Kosovo Passport to whap your rear end with, because you will have nothing left.Change in EU is coming and coming very quick and saddly it's not for the better.So be very nice to your neighbours.
Т.Н.Грановский: "Султан располагал ЛУЧШЕЙ ПЕХОТОЙ В ЕВРОПЕ... СТРАНЕН БЫЛ СОСТАВ ЭТОЙ ПЕХОТЫ... Янычары... выигрывали все великие битвы, при Варне, при Косове, и они же овладели Константинополем. Таким образом, за счет ХРИСТИАНСКОГО народонаселения поддерживал турецкий султан могущество свое"
Oh you do need to. Otherwise there is no international independence when 75 countries recognize Kosovo and Metohija as a Serbian State. You are condemned to live in poverty because this is what lack of independence implies. Regarding the "eastern" block, BRICS have now more money than the US and the EU together, so Serbia doesn't need to side with the sinking ship of the westerns.
As for how Albanians in Kosovo live now compared with 20 years ago...why don't you ask them in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years etc etc etc. Because the more time passes by without achieving independence, the more they will be sinking into deeper misery. Serbs have time at their side. You are the ones whose daily lives totally depend on "independence", not them.
This shows to me that you just do not make any sense at all, Serbia can not repopulate South Serbia, Have you seen that in Villages around Nish there are no people!
(Morning Shake, 30 December 2014 13:43)
It's hard, but not impossible. Birth rates can change very sharply. For example, since Putin has been in power, Russia's birth rate has increased significantly, saving Russia from sure disaster when it comes to demographics.
Let's look at the facts, even today there are twice as many Serbs in the Balkans as there are Albanians. It has always been a myth peddled that there are "2 million Albanians in Kosovo", and today more Albanians are leaving Kosovo-Metohija than they ever did in the 90s.
Now take into account the Jews who came to resettle Israel and they had to come from all over the world. So it can be done, maybe not today, but in the future. Probably right now its best to focus on the economy & growth and making sure the Serbs already in Kosovo-Metohija stay. The rest can be figured out later.
Me personally, if I was in charge, I would simply pay Serbs to go live there. God knows they would deserve it given the constant danger and oppression Serbs face in the occupied province. That would be easy to set up too with online bank accounts and what not. But one thing at a time.
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2014 20:17)
Stick to calling outpatiences to ask about their experiences during their stay in hospital.
I hate to burst your bubble but no EU member singly or collectively or even US have the capacity to conduct a war any more mate unless it’s a small defenceless country. On the UK front it does not have the capacity to fight off a cranky 90 year old granny - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117335/Just-how-big-is-Britains-debt-mountain.html.
“..Kosovo to help Serbia” the answer is no, but there is no room here to explain it to you.
On the issue of Kosovo and its economy, let me get this right Kosovo has today a GDP (PPP) of $9,500. Now how the f*** does a place like Kosovo have that when its official level of unemployment is 45%? Kosovo does not have any industry to speak of. Its annual budget contains 85% to 90% of funds from the EU.
The very fact that half of its people are recognised by the government as unemployed would surely sound some alarm bells ringing with the figure you quote? However, I could be wrong as these figures may have been compiled by the US dept of Labor who also claim the US has only 5.8% unemployment.
(Nikolle, 31 December 2014 12:17)
Lad, I can say what I like on this Serb-based media site because I am a Serb unlike you. However, I used 20 Euros to give an example of the value that people were paid to attend demonstrations. Around late 1993/1994 Serbia went through a period of hyperinflation where the monthly inflation rate accelerating to one million percent or prices double every 2.3 days. I recall one person who had borrowed in 1990 a huge sum of money to purchase land paid off his debt in 1994 with three months wages.
The $30 was only a figure I used as I could have said $50 or $100. The west spent millions in Ukraine and it did not involve just printing leaflets or bribing officials. Why on God’s earth would Ukranians go out on mass to demonstrate in winter when they already experienced several years of governments who were western leaning and got nothing out of it?
I’ve come across some dumb arse in my time but you Albanians do take the cake. Russia is Germany’s largest trading partner and if Merkel was to mess with this, the German industrialists was not be happy and if you were not aware it’s the wealthy that pull the strings not the dumb smucks who vote mate. I’d love to see Merkel do something that would stop this trade and see how long she lasts as Chancellor.
“ unemployment would reach 3%.” “...average salary roughly the same..”. I see your taking the stuff your lot are selling, drugs.
You don’t live in Kosovo so what is your point?
"Yes people may have left Kosovo but the GDP for the entire country grew as well (by half a $Billion). And no, Kosovo is not the poorest area in Europe, Moldova is, also some regions of Russia are pretty grim"
But Moldova is not under financial aid (yet), only Kosovo is. So comparing the two economies doesn't make sense.
About the GDP growth rate in Kosovo, it was 4% in 2008 and 3% in 2013 (World Bank: World Development Indicators). About the GDP in Kosovo (real GDP, i.e. deflated, i.e. GDP in constant prices) it was $ 4.3 billion in 2008 and $ 5 billion in 2013, in which the financial aid is included. (World Bank: World Development Indicators). In a month or so the World Bank will provide numbers for 2014, where we can have a nice chat again about the development of the economy in Kosovo.
however much crap i post sj, i have a long long way to go to catch up to the guy who was paid in EURO'S a full 8 years before the currency entered circulation
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 12:37)
Well Mustapha you’ve got me. Yes I was paid 20 Euros 8 years before the currency entered circulation.
Far be it that the Serbs are a world power. ( I actually chuckled at that one) and I cannot say if the Serbians as a nation are a caring people, but I, as a serb with many Albanian friends (We work, eat & play futbal together) DO care because we all have family & friends back home.
Putin has OPENLY stated that Crimea was & IS possible because of Kosovo. HE said it, not me.
My main point here is this: UNLESS Serbians & Albanians work together to come up with a solution that appeases BOTH, you will ALWAYS have a threat of conflict because one side feels slighted over the other.
This is a proven fact. I have small kids at home, try favoring one over the other and see what happens after....unless you satisfy BOTH, one way or another, you will never have peace.
I could only come up with the Tiawan example, but I would be more than happy to hear what you can offer...to appease everybody.
BOTH Albanians & Serbians have become pawns & tools for other powers to play with and use! Both are proud people with very long histories and deserve better.Instead of being cannon fodder for everybody else, lets work out a deal that works for both, shake hands and start building a foundation on rock, not sand.
FYI - I didn't know I was a Serb until war broke out in Jugoslavia.My parents raised me as a Jugoslavian. I am fortunate enough to work with many ethnic backgrounds and enjoy it.
"neither Serbia nor Kosovo is your country, you're an Australian with identity issues" Nikolle
If I were you I would be less concerned about SJ's ethnicity (you do know the difference between ethnicity and nationality, right?) and more concerned about the nationality that the Albanians in Kosovo claim to have. See, they no longer identify themselves as Albanians, but as Kosovars...After all the dirty work Albania has done to get Kosovo out of Serbia's reach and those ungrateful little monkeys have the nerve to say that they are not Albanians! Well, after listening 10 years ago Albanians in Kosovo claiming that Kosovo would become the official 51st State of the US, everything else sounds normal in my ears. We are about to experience such an interesting decade in the Balkans. Albanians in Kosovo will soon become "Albanians in denial".
You do understand that Greece is a country and not a city or a region in Serbia, right? Though it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't, given the giganntic amount of ignorance you provide in your answer.
75 is a way bigger number than 20. Now apart from that and regarding the quality or the power of some of those 75: Russia and China suport Serbia. If China recognizes Kosovo, China will automatically cause itself diplomatic problems with Tibet and Taiwan, since both seek independence. So China will never recognize Kosovo and therefore China supports Serbia on this one. 5 EU countries do the same. No one can force Spain for istance to recognize Kosovo, because if Spain does so, Catalans and Vasques will ask independence from Spain in 24 hours. Montenegro is a totally difference case than Kosovo, don't get confused. The majority of countries on the planet didn't have their own possible "Montenegro" to deal with in the future. But 75 countries on the planet have a possible "Kosovo" to deal with in the future. Therefore they can't and will never recognize Kosovo. It's really that simple. Did youa ctually think that you could steal land from a country and get away with it?
Oh, that's great! So how are is win or loss defined for Russia in Ukraine? Just asking if perhaps you know that as CE of B92 forums because even God Vlad the Great does not appear to know!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 31 December 2014 17:55)
CTC, Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote a book about you about 150 years ago and its called The Idiot. Try reading about yourself sometime.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
"Elena, so what you are saying here is that if countries recognize Kosova as Serbia we are condemned to poverty"
No, what I'm saying is that poverty is inevitable when there is no international independence.
"Now come back here when it is the BRICS that feed the Greeks and Serbs with billions of dollars rather than the West. "
Greece joined NATO in 1952 and the European Commission in 1981. There was no BRICS back then, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. About Serbs, westerns will not give them money either, they are just trying to use them. And even if Westerns did want to give them money, the EU is not the only way for a country to prosper, especially now with the financial crisis. The new rising market is the euroasian one, where Russia and China are the leading countries. This is where financialy development takes place now.
"But you are the Oracle of Delphi who can see the future. " Then why do you even bother replying to me?
"Then what's the problem? I can't see it."
Neither can I. As long as the majority of Serbs keep agreeing on siding with Russia and China, there is no problem.
"But if you are posting unSerbian views on a Serbian hosted site and no one votes against your post then you are not really accomplishing your task" (think about it)
Is this your task? LOL I hope all westerns are as smart as YOU! And let me guess, you are American. We have westerns in Europe too, but at least ours are smart people.
not one of those links offers any evidence to what you allege. the on vimeo is a guy talking, nothing else. one of your link even claims Russians are being paid to protest in Eastern Ukraine in favour of Moscow. but don't worry, i am aware that i am talking to people who take conspiracies for truths and truths for conspiracies
(Nikolle, 2 January 2015 11:00)
Just as I expected, no matter how much proof anyone shows you you will still stick to your own version.
Kosovo albanians get part of Kosovo and poverty, Kosovos barely functioning economy is now contracting and EU has given in and given the Serbs a republika Srpska in Kosovo. So much for what Thaci was saying that they would get all of Kosovo and no Serb autonomy.
LOL willi pfaff, complaining about what he views as "fascism". willi pfaff who has repeatedly stated that organ harvesting was necessary because the Serbs "deserved" it. willi pfaff who has glorified the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija because according to his own words "Kosovo cannot function with a Serbian community present".
Obviously you are not ALbanian because you can't recognize a Greek comment from a Serbian comment. In fact, you are not European in general, not that your ethnicity makes any difference to me. FYI B92 is definetely not a place Greeks chat with Serbs, you are right on this one. We have other sites for that, including FB pages for Greeks and Serbs. Now I don't know about other Greeks, but I saw a B92 article posted by Serbs on one of these FB pages and this is how I started posting comments here. So have no doubt that Serbs read the English version of B92, as well. In fact this is why people like you are here posting.
I think in your mind UN membership and recognition of independence are one. But they are not. A State can become a UN member without being internationally independent (in fact without being independent at all). India for example joined the UN before it became independent form the UK. In fact, it was not even sure if and when India would become independent. Apart from that, it's even the international law that prohibits UN membership from becoming equivalent to international independence: "UN is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government". This is what the Law says and you can find it even in the UN's site. So with or without UN membership for Kosovo, independence will never come unless Serbia agrees to.
Kosovo's unemployment rate in 2014 decreased, but how many more Albanians left Kosovo to find a job elsewhere? Was there an increase in the number of expatriates from 2013 to 2014? Take that into account and only then you will have the real unemployment rate. A decrease in the unemployment rate does not necessarily signal growth of the production sector. Kosovo remains the poorest area in Europe. Ethiopia is improving too, sure, but this doesn't mean that Ethiopia is a good economy.
You are an amazingly funny and clever person, just not very bright. I bet the other Australians would love to hear that they are the servants of China.
(pss, 1 January 2015 15:28)
Well (Sultan, 1 January 2015 15:52), here is an example of what I have to contend with on this site. This I would classify as an extremely silly statement now let’s see if I can get through to pss.
China is Australia’s main trading partner, it used to be Japan until recently, but China has taken over. We sell most of our minerals and energy to China and if Australia angers China they will not buy these resources and this will result in Australia becoming a South East Asian backwater.
The price for iron ore and coal has fallen through the floor and the mining boom of the last 20 years is over. The Government has a huge gap in the budget as a result of falling prices and it looks like 2015 will send us into a recession. I hope I am being clear about the situation.
Most Australians are well aware of the relationship between Australia and China. This is not the US where its citizens could not identify the states when given a map of the US with only state boundaries and no other writing.
You won't have international independence if you remain inside Serbia, but you won't have international independence outside Serbia either, as long as Serbia denies to agree on that (and the 75 countries follow from that. If Serbia recognized independence, these 75 countries would recognize independence too). Poverty is a straightforward implication of no international recognition of independence, because you can't have an independent economy, meaning you will rely on financial aid. BTW, may I ask where you live?
No one from the West is pushing Greece to give up part of its territory. And no one from the West bombed Greece 15 years ago. So your example is irrelevant. If we were in Serbia's position, we wouldn't want to join the EU or side with the west in general. Apart from that, joining the EU is not easy, but it's easier than leaving the EU (or NATO). And it's also illegal for us to borrow money from Putin, that's the reason we haven't, not because we doubt Putin's strength. But keep in mind that if Greece hadn't adopted euro, we wouldn't have had a financial crisis now, though we would definitely have had debt (same as Brits, by not adopting euro they keep their monetary sovereignty, i.e. their debt is internal (not external as ours) and that causes no crisis in the EU, nor in the UK). So the west has been feeding Greece, but without euro we wouldn't need feeding anyway, regardless our current debt.
THERE’S ALWAYS SOME CHOICE LIKE “rather be poor than without Kosovo"
I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail …
I'd rather be a hammer than a nail …
I'd rather be a forest than a street….
A man gets tied up to the ground
He gives the world
Its saddest sound,
Its saddest sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVoDNjzZlbY
OR
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell
And did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change ?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8mr-gcgoI
(Nikolle, 1 January 2015 19:55)
B92 is a SERBIAN-based media site so I suggest that you move to a media site run by Albanians and I can guarantee you that I will NEVER read it or post there.
Why are you so disturbed about what I post about Ukraine? If they are stories then I am posting on a SERBIAN-based media site and it would mean I am lying to Serbs. I am not addressing Albanians so what’s your problem?
I do love the part where industrialists in Germany having no influence on political parties, I just love that part LOL. You have to be the biggest simpleton I have yet come across. As if Exxon or Boeing or armaments manufacturers have no influence in US politics.
I can just see it now Mercedes or VW laying down meekly while their exports to Russia are reduced to zero due to sanctions. I can just see it with not one finger being lifted. Who do you think funds these parties????? Santa Clause?????
It’s taken a while but your facade has come a crashing down you have no clues especially after your comment on Crimea. No clues what so ever.
we don't really read darling, so you think we would waste our time like that? You are so well known as**oles that we just vote down every time we see your nick name.
To all Serbs on the planet: Happy New Year from Greece! Срећна Нова Година свима ♥♥♥
(Elena, Greece, 31 December 2014 16:52)
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Thank you. And to all the Greeks world wide I wish all the happiness and prosperity.
Happy new year to B92 and all the contributors. Let's start the new year fresh.
Nikolle if you pick your head up from the sand there are a lot of proofs that the protesters were paid by the US and the EU, do you know how to use google? But of course since that doesnt suit your view its obviously utter garbage right?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukrainian-rioters-protesters-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-and-eu-are-paying-ukrainian-rioters-and-protesters/5369316
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-08/pro-russian-demonstrators-in-ukraine-paid/5373834
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-state
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1y5j85/us_and_eu_are_paying_ukrainian_rioters_and/
http://vimeo.com/93780350
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=21e_1399063440
http://mic.com/articles/77309/what-the-media-doesn-t-get-about-the-protests-in-ukraine
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