Wednesday, 17.12.2014.
15:35
An agreement was signed on Wednesday on the mutual recognition of driving licenses between Serbia and Albania.
Izvor: Tanjug
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pre 9 godina
"Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia?"
(boom )
Because you are Albanian. If you were Serb, you would go back simply because Kosovo is Serbian. Since Albanians sit their butts in Kosovo, why wouldn't Serbs do the same? After all, Kosovo is a Serbian State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo.
pre 9 godina
I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
(boom, 21 December 2014 05:33)
Yes, but the most patriotic of Serbs in these forums want Serbian people (i.e. other Serbian people, not themselves) to give patriotic ideals and 1389 heroic memories priority over feeding their children.
pre 9 godina
@alberta
....If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians...
Your solution sounds more like colonization. Kosovo has a high immigration rate so lots of Albanians are leaving, I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
pre 9 godina
@ Mirel from Albania,
You do realize that it was Serbia that was bombed, right? It was not Albania, but Serbia. In fact, NATO's bombing of Serbia is the 2nd biggest task in the history of NATO. Right after the war, right after NATO bombed the whole Industry sector of Serbia, American, German and British multinationals bought the sector for basically nothing. So as you can see, the domestic production of Serbia was not controlled by Serbia, not by an inch. That should answer your question about the Serbian economy.
Now about the negative comments you say, with all due respect I don't really care how your country is doing. I only care about Serbs. If Serbs are happy when you are happy, then I am happy for you. If you become happy however by creating problems to Serbs, then I am not happy for you.
pre 9 godina
@ Gjergj Kastrioti
Now next to these numbers add the percentage of each population that migrated abroad. That's right, if Albania is an empty country because of its large migration percentage, then obviously the unemployment rate will appear lower in Albania. But please, Albania is one of the poorest countries in Europe and definitely poorer than Serbia...get the train and travel a bit in Europe. You will see it yourself.
pre 9 godina
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. ...
(Andreas, 18 December 2014 18:10)
@ Andreas,
In 1990 the standard living in Serbia was 20 times higher than in Albania, and now the difference on standard of living is much much closer where Serbia and Albania are in the same boat and they might enter EU in the same time.
Now either Albania had move forward, Serbia has not, or Albania has move faster than Serbia, because compare the standard of living they are neck and neck or Serbia is just ahead but not by far.
Albania is NATO member, is in the white Schengen list and candidate for EU.
Secondly,
Why is this negative wave of comments, now that both countries did something good?
Would you guys be more happy if we continue to fight?
It doesn't help either country.
pre 9 godina
My dear friends,
Unemployment rate in Balkans:
Macedonia : 31 %
Serbia : 20.8 %
Greece : 26.1 %
Montenegro: 14.97 %
Kosovo: 47 %
Bosnia & Herzegovina : 44 %
Croatia: 16.1 %
Bulgaria: 11.2 %
Turkey: 10 %
Quasi-state Cyprus: 15.3 %
and now comes to Albania:
13.3 %
Which makes it better than many European countries such as Croatia, Greece and Quasi-state Cyprus. If you have such a low unemployment rate, it means a lot on economy, everybody knows it.
Thank you. Bye! but please consider it that I don't want to talk to this Andreas Greek GD nationalist that lives in NL, because what he usually does, is talking about conspiracy theory, like Cyprus becoming a super-power from being the master of money laundering in Europe in their bankrupted banks, or Russia taking over the Mediterranean Sea, and other stuff like sending gas from Greece to Serbia, via Wi-Fi.
Pleasee!!!!
pre 9 godina
'you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
(boom, 19 December 2014 16:45)
I am not Serb neither any of my family members are and I don't live in Canada neither am I Canadian. I live in the EU and I am European. Or do you actually believe that European citizens prefer Islamic terrorists over Serbs? The anti-Serbia media propaganda in the 90s belongs to the past. Now we know who Albanians are, our Press writes extensive articles about them every month. The fact that some EU governments don't give Serbia a free pass in the EU it doesn't mean that the EU citizens support Albanians. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion.
Have I said anything about war? Why do you call me a warrior then?
If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians.
pre 9 godina
@ alberta
you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
About the percentage of Serbs in Kosovo, for the moment try to become stronger and wait. Abandoning your land is for sure not a solution to your problem.
About the Serbian economy, of the 70-80 countries that refuse to recognize Kosovo, most of them are significantly richer than Albania. In fact, some of them are actually big powers. Hence you have many options and financial coalitions to join. This should answer your question.
pre 9 godina
Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
(Kosovar Albanian, 19 December 2014 10:03)
Theres no EU for you, stop dreaming. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion. All the immigrants from Islamic countries dont integrate well in our societies and no one is willing to accept you in the EU because we are all afraid of a huge Islamic migration wave in our countries once you join the EU. Just because some EU governments create problems to Serbia it doesn't mean that us, the citizens of the EU, will accept Albanian criminals in our countries. Half of the EU governments made very harsh statements about Albania and the Albanian criminal rate last year. Albania as a NATO member pretends to fight terrorism in Middle East, but according to the WikiLeaks documents Albania and the US welcomed and worked together with Al Qaeda in Kosovo. According to the same documents, Al Qaeda is still acting in Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia. No European tax payer is willing to be taxed 1 extra euro to help the economy of Albania or Kosovo. I know at least 7 PMs in the EU who believe that it will take Albania 20 years to join the EU, because you need 20 years to decrease your criminal rate. If Albania needs 20 years, Kosovo needs 50.
pre 9 godina
"regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion."
(boom, 19 December 2014 02:34)
And at the same time there are 80 countries doing extremely better than Albania. Why don't you use one of those as an example? What's your point here? That since Albania had recently increased its invested capital, Serbia should create a financial bond with Albania and forget about its territory, its history and its people? To be honest, I doubt you are Serb. I read several of your comments in the past 2 days and all you do is use the "hate card' and the 'nationalism card" to convince Serbs that refusing to recognize Kosovo is a nationalistic action. However, defending your State has nothing to do with nationalism. By pretending to be Serb just to convince Serbs to do whats best for Albania you only humiliate Albanians.
pre 9 godina
Boom,
With my cordial friendship, I invite you personally, to visit Kosova as my guest at my house! You can come whenever you have time, just write to me (my private mail : lum.gjika@gmail.com . We are not developed, as we are in the highest level of poverty, but I would like you to come here and see that, hate must not really be in our daily lives. We must concentrate in economic development, rather than in Propaganda and the issue of independence. Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
pre 9 godina
@andreas
...if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful...
I hear you, but I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion.
pre 9 godina
There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
(boom, 18 December 2014 16:52)
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Its easy, you are an Albanian that havent got a clue about what is going on here in Serbia cause if you lived here you would have seen that there is a lot of projects going on. Railway between Belgrade and Budapest, new bridge over the Danube built by the chinese finished just weeks ago, Beograd na vodi etc etc etc.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. The Albanian Industry is approximately 12% of the total economy and the Serbian industry (though it was severely bombed and destroyed in 1999) is 32% of the total economy. I can use other measures such as per capita GDP in CONSTANT prices, minimum wage etc, the conclusion will still be the same. Regarding foreign investment, the organization responsible for gathering this info is UNCTAD (stock of FDI, inward). http://unctadstat.unctad.org/wds/TableViewer/tableView.aspx
Serbia has a significantly higher stock of investment than Albania. What your eyes probably catch when visiting Albania is the growth rate of investment. Of course it is higher in Albania, the smaller the industry sector in a country, the higher the foreign investment. Check Germany, if you calculate the growth rate between 2013 and 2012 you'll see that it's less than 0.8%. How much more industrialized can Germany be? Obviously not much more. That's why Germany is more of an investor to other economies (investment exporter) rather than an investment importer. If you feel that the Serbian economy is not going well, it is your right and your responsibility to vote accordingly. But the EU is not the monopoly of development anymore. Serbia has options. It is the EU that destroyed your Private Sector in 1999 and now they tell you "if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful.
pre 9 godina
@andreas
yeah, you are right :-)), countries like England and France and Italy do indeed include prostitution in their GDP numbers, but I didnt mean in that way. My semantics might be wrong but I can see that there is way more stuff going on in Albania than here right now. I would rather live in Durres than any place in Serbia. We seem to be stuck. I don't know why. There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
pre 9 godina
I must admit that it's a step in the right direction for Albania & Serbia to recognize each other's driver's licences.
If it's a good example since my country & United States are neighbouring nations to one another can someone imagine the inconvenience if both countries didn't recognize each other's driver's licences? Besides since I'm currently visiting America I thought I'd mention that our original mode of transportation was driving from Fredericton to Bangor International Airport (Bangor,Maine,U.S.A.) than a flight to New York's La Guardia Airport and eventually to Minneapolis/St Paul International Airport.So the point of mentioning that is that it would have very inconvenient for us if U.S. didn't recognize Canadian licence plates and truth is that a flight out of Fredericton's airport is more costly than flying out of certain American airports!
pre 9 godina
@ J,
"5 million Greeks in Albania"
Not even in our Greek dreams! The total number of permanent citizens in Albania is less than 3.5 million. I don't know how you came up with this number, I wish it was true, because many things would be different for Kosovo and Metohija in 1999 if we had 5 million Greeks in Albania. But that's not the case.
pre 9 godina
Ha, the fixation of some of our Serb (and one of our Hungarian) friends with donkeys is entertaining. Why do you love donkeys so much So Sad (and Ataman)? You often talk about them. Remember there are also other animals: horses, bulls, dogs, turtles, expand your horizons :).
About the article, good job to the two prime ministers, this is one more good thing they can tell Merkel!
pre 9 godina
"who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same..... "
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
It's not that easy. Just because the US helped Albanians in Kosovo it doesn't mean that every ethnicity in a country can declare independence. The US was serving its own interests. But have no doubt we will keep ours (Greeks) in Southern Albania (Northern Epirus) for as long as we have to.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
As Questioner implies in his/her comment, GDP is a measure for the DOMESTIC PRODUCTION. Production is different than income (so if you have savings in a Swiss bank your bank interest is NOT included in Serbia's GDP) and Domestic implies the production produced INSIDE a country (by locals or legal immigrants). But you are right in one thing, the Albanian GDP would have been extremely higher if drug production, illegal prostitution, extortion, human organ distribution, child trafficking and gun distribution were all included in the Gross Domestic Production. After all, according to the European Police reports released in 2014, Albania is the number one European country in all these crimes. Boom, hate doesn't help people and it definitely doesn't help nations. But NATO bombed factories, industries and banks in Serbia. They didn't just bomb Serbian Army Bases. They bombed your economy. German and American multinational companies bought your destroyed Private Sector for cents. And now, 15 years later, they say "your economy is in such a mess that you guys need a lot of financial help. And the EU can give you that, but guess what, you have to forget about Kosovo". Naivety can be as dangerous as hate.
pre 9 godina
Walter,
We come to see the news in this web page, to see funny things. This web page is like Vukajlija. You see dumb people, commenting dumb things and others.
Anyway, still Albania now is better than Serbia in every single thing :) cars, infrastructure, ports, tourism, GNP, Internet Penetration. Is it embarrassing that Kosovo has 84% internet penetration compared to Serbia which has 54 %...Still you can think that we live in medieval times. But you need to do reality check, which later on will probably make you desperate from life. And btw, a good information, the most visited news portal in English and Albanian, is Kosovo based news portal, Gazeta Express, which has more than 2 million clicks per day :) which makes it the most visited in region....Kinda interesting right ??!!!
pre 9 godina
What BMW and Mercedes is that idiot talking about? Ones manufactured in the stone ages?! You're making a fool out of yourself dude. That Mercedes car you drive is almost extinct in all countries, give me a break. So jealous aren't you? Can you name one Albanian site where the majority of commentators and readers are Serbs?!! NO. In this website however, 90% of commentators and readers are Albanians, mostly in diaspora. You guys are pathetic, don't you have college classes to attend or work to do instead of dreaming about Serbia every night?!
pre 9 godina
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
(boom, 18 December 2014 06:14)
Mr. Chief Economist, ever asked yourself what the 'D' in 'GDP' stands for?
pre 9 godina
Traveling between Belgrade and Tirana very often for my work, I can say one thing:
Serbia is falling behind!
The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West. I can see this at the huge private and public constructions going on in and around tirana, albanians are catching up very fast.
Public pensions are also higher than in Serbia, so the joke is on us.
I have said it many times, no matter how much we hate the albanians, our lives will greatly improve if our countries focus on economic cooperation at this time, politics will change when a new generations comes to power.
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
that's good news to read
ill hope they continue to make progress
on all levels it's longe way to go but better than nothing.
and all of you negative comments get a life
you dont have anything else to do ..
think you all can make Change for better .
pre 9 godina
serbs complaining hahaha then don't drive with your cars in our beaches, swim with the zhabas in the danube hahhaha
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
They have my full support. The Serbs along with the 5 million Greeks in Albania.
pre 9 godina
Both sides are known for their reckless, speed-loving drivers so I don't think this will be a good thing.
pre 9 godina
people what a f..k is wrong with this news? everything is part of politic's? nothing is wrong jut a good news for citizens of both countrys so they can do much easy they daily bussines when they travel as a normal human being not as you donkey's dont have a clue what you talking about go get e real life do something extraordinary with your self... to the booth priminister's i wish the best of the best for the future doing the wright things
pre 9 godina
Diplomaticus,
Cheers Bro!! From Kosovo....Do you know which is the most famous car in Serbia? Zastava 101 and Zastava 128, which we actually put those on flame in 1999 in Kosovo.
Big up for you bro! Enjoy life!
pre 9 godina
Firstly Albania is 20x better than Serbia and I am not an Albanian.
Secondly Serbs here embarrass their already embarrassed nation and are stupid.
Thirdly go to North Mitrovica and see how the real Serbs live, poverty, ghetto and 200 years earlier.
Fourthly there is not more than 300 Serbs in Albania, LOL.
Lastly, Serbs like to diss countries to make themselves feel artificially better.
pre 9 godina
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
My REAL answer to your question would not pass B92 censorship because it's strictly for "over 18" audience.
pre 9 godina
The slurs on Albania are getting really old. Why not have a reality check?
You remember slurs about Facebook posts of then PM Berisha: "Who reads them. No people have internet in Albania." No one commented after world statistics were shown that internet penetration in Albania is greater then in Serbia! http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users-by-country/
What about economy? One quick look at the CIA Wold Factbook. Propaganda makes you believe you are better off, but GDP per capita is almost the same, Albania $10.700, Serbia $11.100. While Albania never had one month of recession and growing faster, Serbia reals from lack of reforms.
What about quality of life? Life expectancy in Albania: male: 75.33 years, female: 80.86 years (2014 est.); Serbia: male: 72.17 years, female: 78.07 years (2014 est.).
Cars and their quality? No comment there, it is obvious! Albania didn't spend $1 billion on a 4 lane highway to Pristina to ride donkeys, otherwise what might one say about the lack of highways between Serbia and its former colony?
In all seriousness, an ever increasing amount of Serb trade is being done through the newly modernized Albanian port of Durres, which is closer than Thessaloniki and easier to get to because of the highway than Tivar (Bar). So, Serbs have much to gain from this agreement.
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
And how many of those mercedes, bmw and audis are stolen? 100%??
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. "
Maybe amongst those 10%of all albanians that actually do own a car. By the way those cars sure are popular among druglords.
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing."
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
In Albania, you have 91 cars/1000 persona, while in Serbia there are 231 cars/1000 persona. Albanian number is lowest in Europe. Western European numbers are about 500 cars/1000 persona.
P.S. Any data about how many of the cars in Albanina were stolen cars from western Europe?
pre 9 godina
They'll sell them to you to make delicate cheeses :D
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
pre 9 godina
Do we have cars in Albania?? NO WE DON'T... WE drive only DRONES in Albania... Sometimes we drive them in Belgrade too just for fun.. HAHAHA
Actually I was hoping that Serbia instead of recognizing our car driving license could have recognized our drone driving license.. hahaha
But hey what can you expect from our serb neigbours they are not known for being very smart..
P.s. I will not forget your President face when he saw the drone above the stadium.. MAAAAN that was hilarious.. It rememberd me the movie "Indipendence Day" with Will Smith.. He must have thought that Serbia was being invaded by the Aliens.. hahha LOL
cheers fellas..
HAVE FUN AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
pre 9 godina
come on ,stop your idiots comment ,because you show yourself by commenting like that,and for more you call your self civilised !
pre 9 godina
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
pre 9 godina
Do we have cars in Albania?? NO WE DON'T... WE drive only DRONES in Albania... Sometimes we drive them in Belgrade too just for fun.. HAHAHA
Actually I was hoping that Serbia instead of recognizing our car driving license could have recognized our drone driving license.. hahaha
But hey what can you expect from our serb neigbours they are not known for being very smart..
P.s. I will not forget your President face when he saw the drone above the stadium.. MAAAAN that was hilarious.. It rememberd me the movie "Indipendence Day" with Will Smith.. He must have thought that Serbia was being invaded by the Aliens.. hahha LOL
cheers fellas..
HAVE FUN AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE
pre 9 godina
The slurs on Albania are getting really old. Why not have a reality check?
You remember slurs about Facebook posts of then PM Berisha: "Who reads them. No people have internet in Albania." No one commented after world statistics were shown that internet penetration in Albania is greater then in Serbia! http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users-by-country/
What about economy? One quick look at the CIA Wold Factbook. Propaganda makes you believe you are better off, but GDP per capita is almost the same, Albania $10.700, Serbia $11.100. While Albania never had one month of recession and growing faster, Serbia reals from lack of reforms.
What about quality of life? Life expectancy in Albania: male: 75.33 years, female: 80.86 years (2014 est.); Serbia: male: 72.17 years, female: 78.07 years (2014 est.).
Cars and their quality? No comment there, it is obvious! Albania didn't spend $1 billion on a 4 lane highway to Pristina to ride donkeys, otherwise what might one say about the lack of highways between Serbia and its former colony?
In all seriousness, an ever increasing amount of Serb trade is being done through the newly modernized Albanian port of Durres, which is closer than Thessaloniki and easier to get to because of the highway than Tivar (Bar). So, Serbs have much to gain from this agreement.
pre 9 godina
come on ,stop your idiots comment ,because you show yourself by commenting like that,and for more you call your self civilised !
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
pre 9 godina
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
pre 9 godina
Traveling between Belgrade and Tirana very often for my work, I can say one thing:
Serbia is falling behind!
The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West. I can see this at the huge private and public constructions going on in and around tirana, albanians are catching up very fast.
Public pensions are also higher than in Serbia, so the joke is on us.
I have said it many times, no matter how much we hate the albanians, our lives will greatly improve if our countries focus on economic cooperation at this time, politics will change when a new generations comes to power.
pre 9 godina
Firstly Albania is 20x better than Serbia and I am not an Albanian.
Secondly Serbs here embarrass their already embarrassed nation and are stupid.
Thirdly go to North Mitrovica and see how the real Serbs live, poverty, ghetto and 200 years earlier.
Fourthly there is not more than 300 Serbs in Albania, LOL.
Lastly, Serbs like to diss countries to make themselves feel artificially better.
pre 9 godina
Diplomaticus,
Cheers Bro!! From Kosovo....Do you know which is the most famous car in Serbia? Zastava 101 and Zastava 128, which we actually put those on flame in 1999 in Kosovo.
Big up for you bro! Enjoy life!
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
pre 9 godina
They'll sell them to you to make delicate cheeses :D
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
pre 9 godina
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
My REAL answer to your question would not pass B92 censorship because it's strictly for "over 18" audience.
pre 9 godina
people what a f..k is wrong with this news? everything is part of politic's? nothing is wrong jut a good news for citizens of both countrys so they can do much easy they daily bussines when they travel as a normal human being not as you donkey's dont have a clue what you talking about go get e real life do something extraordinary with your self... to the booth priminister's i wish the best of the best for the future doing the wright things
pre 9 godina
that's good news to read
ill hope they continue to make progress
on all levels it's longe way to go but better than nothing.
and all of you negative comments get a life
you dont have anything else to do ..
think you all can make Change for better .
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
serbs complaining hahaha then don't drive with your cars in our beaches, swim with the zhabas in the danube hahhaha
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing."
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
In Albania, you have 91 cars/1000 persona, while in Serbia there are 231 cars/1000 persona. Albanian number is lowest in Europe. Western European numbers are about 500 cars/1000 persona.
P.S. Any data about how many of the cars in Albanina were stolen cars from western Europe?
pre 9 godina
Walter,
We come to see the news in this web page, to see funny things. This web page is like Vukajlija. You see dumb people, commenting dumb things and others.
Anyway, still Albania now is better than Serbia in every single thing :) cars, infrastructure, ports, tourism, GNP, Internet Penetration. Is it embarrassing that Kosovo has 84% internet penetration compared to Serbia which has 54 %...Still you can think that we live in medieval times. But you need to do reality check, which later on will probably make you desperate from life. And btw, a good information, the most visited news portal in English and Albanian, is Kosovo based news portal, Gazeta Express, which has more than 2 million clicks per day :) which makes it the most visited in region....Kinda interesting right ??!!!
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
And how many of those mercedes, bmw and audis are stolen? 100%??
pre 9 godina
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
(boom, 18 December 2014 06:14)
Mr. Chief Economist, ever asked yourself what the 'D' in 'GDP' stands for?
pre 9 godina
What BMW and Mercedes is that idiot talking about? Ones manufactured in the stone ages?! You're making a fool out of yourself dude. That Mercedes car you drive is almost extinct in all countries, give me a break. So jealous aren't you? Can you name one Albanian site where the majority of commentators and readers are Serbs?!! NO. In this website however, 90% of commentators and readers are Albanians, mostly in diaspora. You guys are pathetic, don't you have college classes to attend or work to do instead of dreaming about Serbia every night?!
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. "
Maybe amongst those 10%of all albanians that actually do own a car. By the way those cars sure are popular among druglords.
pre 9 godina
Both sides are known for their reckless, speed-loving drivers so I don't think this will be a good thing.
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
They have my full support. The Serbs along with the 5 million Greeks in Albania.
pre 9 godina
@andreas
yeah, you are right :-)), countries like England and France and Italy do indeed include prostitution in their GDP numbers, but I didnt mean in that way. My semantics might be wrong but I can see that there is way more stuff going on in Albania than here right now. I would rather live in Durres than any place in Serbia. We seem to be stuck. I don't know why. There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
pre 9 godina
Ha, the fixation of some of our Serb (and one of our Hungarian) friends with donkeys is entertaining. Why do you love donkeys so much So Sad (and Ataman)? You often talk about them. Remember there are also other animals: horses, bulls, dogs, turtles, expand your horizons :).
About the article, good job to the two prime ministers, this is one more good thing they can tell Merkel!
pre 9 godina
I must admit that it's a step in the right direction for Albania & Serbia to recognize each other's driver's licences.
If it's a good example since my country & United States are neighbouring nations to one another can someone imagine the inconvenience if both countries didn't recognize each other's driver's licences? Besides since I'm currently visiting America I thought I'd mention that our original mode of transportation was driving from Fredericton to Bangor International Airport (Bangor,Maine,U.S.A.) than a flight to New York's La Guardia Airport and eventually to Minneapolis/St Paul International Airport.So the point of mentioning that is that it would have very inconvenient for us if U.S. didn't recognize Canadian licence plates and truth is that a flight out of Fredericton's airport is more costly than flying out of certain American airports!
pre 9 godina
@andreas
...if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful...
I hear you, but I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion.
pre 9 godina
@ J,
"5 million Greeks in Albania"
Not even in our Greek dreams! The total number of permanent citizens in Albania is less than 3.5 million. I don't know how you came up with this number, I wish it was true, because many things would be different for Kosovo and Metohija in 1999 if we had 5 million Greeks in Albania. But that's not the case.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
As Questioner implies in his/her comment, GDP is a measure for the DOMESTIC PRODUCTION. Production is different than income (so if you have savings in a Swiss bank your bank interest is NOT included in Serbia's GDP) and Domestic implies the production produced INSIDE a country (by locals or legal immigrants). But you are right in one thing, the Albanian GDP would have been extremely higher if drug production, illegal prostitution, extortion, human organ distribution, child trafficking and gun distribution were all included in the Gross Domestic Production. After all, according to the European Police reports released in 2014, Albania is the number one European country in all these crimes. Boom, hate doesn't help people and it definitely doesn't help nations. But NATO bombed factories, industries and banks in Serbia. They didn't just bomb Serbian Army Bases. They bombed your economy. German and American multinational companies bought your destroyed Private Sector for cents. And now, 15 years later, they say "your economy is in such a mess that you guys need a lot of financial help. And the EU can give you that, but guess what, you have to forget about Kosovo". Naivety can be as dangerous as hate.
pre 9 godina
"who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same..... "
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
It's not that easy. Just because the US helped Albanians in Kosovo it doesn't mean that every ethnicity in a country can declare independence. The US was serving its own interests. But have no doubt we will keep ours (Greeks) in Southern Albania (Northern Epirus) for as long as we have to.
pre 9 godina
"regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion."
(boom, 19 December 2014 02:34)
And at the same time there are 80 countries doing extremely better than Albania. Why don't you use one of those as an example? What's your point here? That since Albania had recently increased its invested capital, Serbia should create a financial bond with Albania and forget about its territory, its history and its people? To be honest, I doubt you are Serb. I read several of your comments in the past 2 days and all you do is use the "hate card' and the 'nationalism card" to convince Serbs that refusing to recognize Kosovo is a nationalistic action. However, defending your State has nothing to do with nationalism. By pretending to be Serb just to convince Serbs to do whats best for Albania you only humiliate Albanians.
pre 9 godina
Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
(Kosovar Albanian, 19 December 2014 10:03)
Theres no EU for you, stop dreaming. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion. All the immigrants from Islamic countries dont integrate well in our societies and no one is willing to accept you in the EU because we are all afraid of a huge Islamic migration wave in our countries once you join the EU. Just because some EU governments create problems to Serbia it doesn't mean that us, the citizens of the EU, will accept Albanian criminals in our countries. Half of the EU governments made very harsh statements about Albania and the Albanian criminal rate last year. Albania as a NATO member pretends to fight terrorism in Middle East, but according to the WikiLeaks documents Albania and the US welcomed and worked together with Al Qaeda in Kosovo. According to the same documents, Al Qaeda is still acting in Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia. No European tax payer is willing to be taxed 1 extra euro to help the economy of Albania or Kosovo. I know at least 7 PMs in the EU who believe that it will take Albania 20 years to join the EU, because you need 20 years to decrease your criminal rate. If Albania needs 20 years, Kosovo needs 50.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
About the percentage of Serbs in Kosovo, for the moment try to become stronger and wait. Abandoning your land is for sure not a solution to your problem.
About the Serbian economy, of the 70-80 countries that refuse to recognize Kosovo, most of them are significantly richer than Albania. In fact, some of them are actually big powers. Hence you have many options and financial coalitions to join. This should answer your question.
pre 9 godina
@ alberta
you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
pre 9 godina
'you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
(boom, 19 December 2014 16:45)
I am not Serb neither any of my family members are and I don't live in Canada neither am I Canadian. I live in the EU and I am European. Or do you actually believe that European citizens prefer Islamic terrorists over Serbs? The anti-Serbia media propaganda in the 90s belongs to the past. Now we know who Albanians are, our Press writes extensive articles about them every month. The fact that some EU governments don't give Serbia a free pass in the EU it doesn't mean that the EU citizens support Albanians. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion.
Have I said anything about war? Why do you call me a warrior then?
If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians.
pre 9 godina
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. ...
(Andreas, 18 December 2014 18:10)
@ Andreas,
In 1990 the standard living in Serbia was 20 times higher than in Albania, and now the difference on standard of living is much much closer where Serbia and Albania are in the same boat and they might enter EU in the same time.
Now either Albania had move forward, Serbia has not, or Albania has move faster than Serbia, because compare the standard of living they are neck and neck or Serbia is just ahead but not by far.
Albania is NATO member, is in the white Schengen list and candidate for EU.
Secondly,
Why is this negative wave of comments, now that both countries did something good?
Would you guys be more happy if we continue to fight?
It doesn't help either country.
pre 9 godina
@ Mirel from Albania,
You do realize that it was Serbia that was bombed, right? It was not Albania, but Serbia. In fact, NATO's bombing of Serbia is the 2nd biggest task in the history of NATO. Right after the war, right after NATO bombed the whole Industry sector of Serbia, American, German and British multinationals bought the sector for basically nothing. So as you can see, the domestic production of Serbia was not controlled by Serbia, not by an inch. That should answer your question about the Serbian economy.
Now about the negative comments you say, with all due respect I don't really care how your country is doing. I only care about Serbs. If Serbs are happy when you are happy, then I am happy for you. If you become happy however by creating problems to Serbs, then I am not happy for you.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. The Albanian Industry is approximately 12% of the total economy and the Serbian industry (though it was severely bombed and destroyed in 1999) is 32% of the total economy. I can use other measures such as per capita GDP in CONSTANT prices, minimum wage etc, the conclusion will still be the same. Regarding foreign investment, the organization responsible for gathering this info is UNCTAD (stock of FDI, inward). http://unctadstat.unctad.org/wds/TableViewer/tableView.aspx
Serbia has a significantly higher stock of investment than Albania. What your eyes probably catch when visiting Albania is the growth rate of investment. Of course it is higher in Albania, the smaller the industry sector in a country, the higher the foreign investment. Check Germany, if you calculate the growth rate between 2013 and 2012 you'll see that it's less than 0.8%. How much more industrialized can Germany be? Obviously not much more. That's why Germany is more of an investor to other economies (investment exporter) rather than an investment importer. If you feel that the Serbian economy is not going well, it is your right and your responsibility to vote accordingly. But the EU is not the monopoly of development anymore. Serbia has options. It is the EU that destroyed your Private Sector in 1999 and now they tell you "if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful.
pre 9 godina
Boom,
With my cordial friendship, I invite you personally, to visit Kosova as my guest at my house! You can come whenever you have time, just write to me (my private mail : lum.gjika@gmail.com . We are not developed, as we are in the highest level of poverty, but I would like you to come here and see that, hate must not really be in our daily lives. We must concentrate in economic development, rather than in Propaganda and the issue of independence. Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
pre 9 godina
My dear friends,
Unemployment rate in Balkans:
Macedonia : 31 %
Serbia : 20.8 %
Greece : 26.1 %
Montenegro: 14.97 %
Kosovo: 47 %
Bosnia & Herzegovina : 44 %
Croatia: 16.1 %
Bulgaria: 11.2 %
Turkey: 10 %
Quasi-state Cyprus: 15.3 %
and now comes to Albania:
13.3 %
Which makes it better than many European countries such as Croatia, Greece and Quasi-state Cyprus. If you have such a low unemployment rate, it means a lot on economy, everybody knows it.
Thank you. Bye! but please consider it that I don't want to talk to this Andreas Greek GD nationalist that lives in NL, because what he usually does, is talking about conspiracy theory, like Cyprus becoming a super-power from being the master of money laundering in Europe in their bankrupted banks, or Russia taking over the Mediterranean Sea, and other stuff like sending gas from Greece to Serbia, via Wi-Fi.
Pleasee!!!!
pre 9 godina
@ Gjergj Kastrioti
Now next to these numbers add the percentage of each population that migrated abroad. That's right, if Albania is an empty country because of its large migration percentage, then obviously the unemployment rate will appear lower in Albania. But please, Albania is one of the poorest countries in Europe and definitely poorer than Serbia...get the train and travel a bit in Europe. You will see it yourself.
pre 9 godina
I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
(boom, 21 December 2014 05:33)
Yes, but the most patriotic of Serbs in these forums want Serbian people (i.e. other Serbian people, not themselves) to give patriotic ideals and 1389 heroic memories priority over feeding their children.
pre 9 godina
There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
(boom, 18 December 2014 16:52)
'
Its easy, you are an Albanian that havent got a clue about what is going on here in Serbia cause if you lived here you would have seen that there is a lot of projects going on. Railway between Belgrade and Budapest, new bridge over the Danube built by the chinese finished just weeks ago, Beograd na vodi etc etc etc.
pre 9 godina
@alberta
....If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians...
Your solution sounds more like colonization. Kosovo has a high immigration rate so lots of Albanians are leaving, I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
pre 9 godina
"Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia?"
(boom )
Because you are Albanian. If you were Serb, you would go back simply because Kosovo is Serbian. Since Albanians sit their butts in Kosovo, why wouldn't Serbs do the same? After all, Kosovo is a Serbian State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo.
pre 9 godina
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
And how many of those mercedes, bmw and audis are stolen? 100%??
pre 9 godina
In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing.As for donkeys, you will find in Serbian villages in abondances.
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. "
Maybe amongst those 10%of all albanians that actually do own a car. By the way those cars sure are popular among druglords.
pre 9 godina
"In Albania you will find more than 60% of cars are Mercedes, BMV and Audi. It is not like in Serbia where you can find Lada, home made cars and crap like this.How sad you don't know nothing."
(Me, 17 December 2014 18:22)
In Albania, you have 91 cars/1000 persona, while in Serbia there are 231 cars/1000 persona. Albanian number is lowest in Europe. Western European numbers are about 500 cars/1000 persona.
P.S. Any data about how many of the cars in Albanina were stolen cars from western Europe?
pre 9 godina
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
My REAL answer to your question would not pass B92 censorship because it's strictly for "over 18" audience.
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
serbs complaining hahaha then don't drive with your cars in our beaches, swim with the zhabas in the danube hahhaha
pre 9 godina
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
(boom, 18 December 2014 06:14)
Mr. Chief Economist, ever asked yourself what the 'D' in 'GDP' stands for?
pre 9 godina
"who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same..... "
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
It's not that easy. Just because the US helped Albanians in Kosovo it doesn't mean that every ethnicity in a country can declare independence. The US was serving its own interests. But have no doubt we will keep ours (Greeks) in Southern Albania (Northern Epirus) for as long as we have to.
pre 9 godina
They'll sell them to you to make delicate cheeses :D
They have cars in albania?
What will they do with all the donkeys?
(So sad, Too bad, 17 December 2014 16:59)
pre 9 godina
who cares about albania......the Serbs there should declare independence in their part since there is 100,000 Serbs in that country and the Greeks to do the same.....
(china-serbia true friends, 17 December 2014 18:15)
They have my full support. The Serbs along with the 5 million Greeks in Albania.
pre 9 godina
What BMW and Mercedes is that idiot talking about? Ones manufactured in the stone ages?! You're making a fool out of yourself dude. That Mercedes car you drive is almost extinct in all countries, give me a break. So jealous aren't you? Can you name one Albanian site where the majority of commentators and readers are Serbs?!! NO. In this website however, 90% of commentators and readers are Albanians, mostly in diaspora. You guys are pathetic, don't you have college classes to attend or work to do instead of dreaming about Serbia every night?!
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. The Albanian Industry is approximately 12% of the total economy and the Serbian industry (though it was severely bombed and destroyed in 1999) is 32% of the total economy. I can use other measures such as per capita GDP in CONSTANT prices, minimum wage etc, the conclusion will still be the same. Regarding foreign investment, the organization responsible for gathering this info is UNCTAD (stock of FDI, inward). http://unctadstat.unctad.org/wds/TableViewer/tableView.aspx
Serbia has a significantly higher stock of investment than Albania. What your eyes probably catch when visiting Albania is the growth rate of investment. Of course it is higher in Albania, the smaller the industry sector in a country, the higher the foreign investment. Check Germany, if you calculate the growth rate between 2013 and 2012 you'll see that it's less than 0.8%. How much more industrialized can Germany be? Obviously not much more. That's why Germany is more of an investor to other economies (investment exporter) rather than an investment importer. If you feel that the Serbian economy is not going well, it is your right and your responsibility to vote accordingly. But the EU is not the monopoly of development anymore. Serbia has options. It is the EU that destroyed your Private Sector in 1999 and now they tell you "if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful.
pre 9 godina
come on ,stop your idiots comment ,because you show yourself by commenting like that,and for more you call your self civilised !
pre 9 godina
Diplomaticus,
Cheers Bro!! From Kosovo....Do you know which is the most famous car in Serbia? Zastava 101 and Zastava 128, which we actually put those on flame in 1999 in Kosovo.
Big up for you bro! Enjoy life!
pre 9 godina
Hey to you all anti Albanians when Albanians have a license and cars you Serbs did not exist in Europe remember Albanians were first one to live in Europe if you don't believe open history books
You Serbs are in Europe same as Israel occupied Palestine's land you Serbs occupied Albanians land and other country's round you
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
"The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West."
As Questioner implies in his/her comment, GDP is a measure for the DOMESTIC PRODUCTION. Production is different than income (so if you have savings in a Swiss bank your bank interest is NOT included in Serbia's GDP) and Domestic implies the production produced INSIDE a country (by locals or legal immigrants). But you are right in one thing, the Albanian GDP would have been extremely higher if drug production, illegal prostitution, extortion, human organ distribution, child trafficking and gun distribution were all included in the Gross Domestic Production. After all, according to the European Police reports released in 2014, Albania is the number one European country in all these crimes. Boom, hate doesn't help people and it definitely doesn't help nations. But NATO bombed factories, industries and banks in Serbia. They didn't just bomb Serbian Army Bases. They bombed your economy. German and American multinational companies bought your destroyed Private Sector for cents. And now, 15 years later, they say "your economy is in such a mess that you guys need a lot of financial help. And the EU can give you that, but guess what, you have to forget about Kosovo". Naivety can be as dangerous as hate.
pre 9 godina
There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
(boom, 18 December 2014 16:52)
'
Its easy, you are an Albanian that havent got a clue about what is going on here in Serbia cause if you lived here you would have seen that there is a lot of projects going on. Railway between Belgrade and Budapest, new bridge over the Danube built by the chinese finished just weeks ago, Beograd na vodi etc etc etc.
pre 9 godina
The slurs on Albania are getting really old. Why not have a reality check?
You remember slurs about Facebook posts of then PM Berisha: "Who reads them. No people have internet in Albania." No one commented after world statistics were shown that internet penetration in Albania is greater then in Serbia! http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users-by-country/
What about economy? One quick look at the CIA Wold Factbook. Propaganda makes you believe you are better off, but GDP per capita is almost the same, Albania $10.700, Serbia $11.100. While Albania never had one month of recession and growing faster, Serbia reals from lack of reforms.
What about quality of life? Life expectancy in Albania: male: 75.33 years, female: 80.86 years (2014 est.); Serbia: male: 72.17 years, female: 78.07 years (2014 est.).
Cars and their quality? No comment there, it is obvious! Albania didn't spend $1 billion on a 4 lane highway to Pristina to ride donkeys, otherwise what might one say about the lack of highways between Serbia and its former colony?
In all seriousness, an ever increasing amount of Serb trade is being done through the newly modernized Albanian port of Durres, which is closer than Thessaloniki and easier to get to because of the highway than Tivar (Bar). So, Serbs have much to gain from this agreement.
pre 9 godina
Firstly Albania is 20x better than Serbia and I am not an Albanian.
Secondly Serbs here embarrass their already embarrassed nation and are stupid.
Thirdly go to North Mitrovica and see how the real Serbs live, poverty, ghetto and 200 years earlier.
Fourthly there is not more than 300 Serbs in Albania, LOL.
Lastly, Serbs like to diss countries to make themselves feel artificially better.
pre 9 godina
Walter,
We come to see the news in this web page, to see funny things. This web page is like Vukajlija. You see dumb people, commenting dumb things and others.
Anyway, still Albania now is better than Serbia in every single thing :) cars, infrastructure, ports, tourism, GNP, Internet Penetration. Is it embarrassing that Kosovo has 84% internet penetration compared to Serbia which has 54 %...Still you can think that we live in medieval times. But you need to do reality check, which later on will probably make you desperate from life. And btw, a good information, the most visited news portal in English and Albanian, is Kosovo based news portal, Gazeta Express, which has more than 2 million clicks per day :) which makes it the most visited in region....Kinda interesting right ??!!!
pre 9 godina
Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
(Kosovar Albanian, 19 December 2014 10:03)
Theres no EU for you, stop dreaming. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion. All the immigrants from Islamic countries dont integrate well in our societies and no one is willing to accept you in the EU because we are all afraid of a huge Islamic migration wave in our countries once you join the EU. Just because some EU governments create problems to Serbia it doesn't mean that us, the citizens of the EU, will accept Albanian criminals in our countries. Half of the EU governments made very harsh statements about Albania and the Albanian criminal rate last year. Albania as a NATO member pretends to fight terrorism in Middle East, but according to the WikiLeaks documents Albania and the US welcomed and worked together with Al Qaeda in Kosovo. According to the same documents, Al Qaeda is still acting in Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia. No European tax payer is willing to be taxed 1 extra euro to help the economy of Albania or Kosovo. I know at least 7 PMs in the EU who believe that it will take Albania 20 years to join the EU, because you need 20 years to decrease your criminal rate. If Albania needs 20 years, Kosovo needs 50.
pre 9 godina
Traveling between Belgrade and Tirana very often for my work, I can say one thing:
Serbia is falling behind!
The GDP of Albania in my opinion is way bigger than CIA factbook says as it does not include all the remittances from the immigration. Almost each Albanian family has some one working in the West. I can see this at the huge private and public constructions going on in and around tirana, albanians are catching up very fast.
Public pensions are also higher than in Serbia, so the joke is on us.
I have said it many times, no matter how much we hate the albanians, our lives will greatly improve if our countries focus on economic cooperation at this time, politics will change when a new generations comes to power.
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@ J,
"5 million Greeks in Albania"
Not even in our Greek dreams! The total number of permanent citizens in Albania is less than 3.5 million. I don't know how you came up with this number, I wish it was true, because many things would be different for Kosovo and Metohija in 1999 if we had 5 million Greeks in Albania. But that's not the case.
pre 9 godina
"regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion."
(boom, 19 December 2014 02:34)
And at the same time there are 80 countries doing extremely better than Albania. Why don't you use one of those as an example? What's your point here? That since Albania had recently increased its invested capital, Serbia should create a financial bond with Albania and forget about its territory, its history and its people? To be honest, I doubt you are Serb. I read several of your comments in the past 2 days and all you do is use the "hate card' and the 'nationalism card" to convince Serbs that refusing to recognize Kosovo is a nationalistic action. However, defending your State has nothing to do with nationalism. By pretending to be Serb just to convince Serbs to do whats best for Albania you only humiliate Albanians.
pre 9 godina
Do we have cars in Albania?? NO WE DON'T... WE drive only DRONES in Albania... Sometimes we drive them in Belgrade too just for fun.. HAHAHA
Actually I was hoping that Serbia instead of recognizing our car driving license could have recognized our drone driving license.. hahaha
But hey what can you expect from our serb neigbours they are not known for being very smart..
P.s. I will not forget your President face when he saw the drone above the stadium.. MAAAAN that was hilarious.. It rememberd me the movie "Indipendence Day" with Will Smith.. He must have thought that Serbia was being invaded by the Aliens.. hahha LOL
cheers fellas..
HAVE FUN AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE
pre 9 godina
that's good news to read
ill hope they continue to make progress
on all levels it's longe way to go but better than nothing.
and all of you negative comments get a life
you dont have anything else to do ..
think you all can make Change for better .
pre 9 godina
@ Gjergj Kastrioti
Now next to these numbers add the percentage of each population that migrated abroad. That's right, if Albania is an empty country because of its large migration percentage, then obviously the unemployment rate will appear lower in Albania. But please, Albania is one of the poorest countries in Europe and definitely poorer than Serbia...get the train and travel a bit in Europe. You will see it yourself.
pre 9 godina
I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
(boom, 21 December 2014 05:33)
Yes, but the most patriotic of Serbs in these forums want Serbian people (i.e. other Serbian people, not themselves) to give patriotic ideals and 1389 heroic memories priority over feeding their children.
pre 9 godina
Both sides are known for their reckless, speed-loving drivers so I don't think this will be a good thing.
pre 9 godina
@ Boom
About the percentage of Serbs in Kosovo, for the moment try to become stronger and wait. Abandoning your land is for sure not a solution to your problem.
About the Serbian economy, of the 70-80 countries that refuse to recognize Kosovo, most of them are significantly richer than Albania. In fact, some of them are actually big powers. Hence you have many options and financial coalitions to join. This should answer your question.
pre 9 godina
@ alberta
you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
pre 9 godina
'you didnt answer my question, I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
I guess is easy to be a warrior when you are sitting in Canada, why dont you come here to contribute to your nation instead if you love so much Serbia?
(boom, 19 December 2014 16:45)
I am not Serb neither any of my family members are and I don't live in Canada neither am I Canadian. I live in the EU and I am European. Or do you actually believe that European citizens prefer Islamic terrorists over Serbs? The anti-Serbia media propaganda in the 90s belongs to the past. Now we know who Albanians are, our Press writes extensive articles about them every month. The fact that some EU governments don't give Serbia a free pass in the EU it doesn't mean that the EU citizens support Albanians. The EU is divided by nations but united by race and religion.
Have I said anything about war? Why do you call me a warrior then?
If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians.
pre 9 godina
My dear friends,
Unemployment rate in Balkans:
Macedonia : 31 %
Serbia : 20.8 %
Greece : 26.1 %
Montenegro: 14.97 %
Kosovo: 47 %
Bosnia & Herzegovina : 44 %
Croatia: 16.1 %
Bulgaria: 11.2 %
Turkey: 10 %
Quasi-state Cyprus: 15.3 %
and now comes to Albania:
13.3 %
Which makes it better than many European countries such as Croatia, Greece and Quasi-state Cyprus. If you have such a low unemployment rate, it means a lot on economy, everybody knows it.
Thank you. Bye! but please consider it that I don't want to talk to this Andreas Greek GD nationalist that lives in NL, because what he usually does, is talking about conspiracy theory, like Cyprus becoming a super-power from being the master of money laundering in Europe in their bankrupted banks, or Russia taking over the Mediterranean Sea, and other stuff like sending gas from Greece to Serbia, via Wi-Fi.
Pleasee!!!!
pre 9 godina
An economy consists of 3 major sectors, the industry, the agriculture and the services sector. ...
(Andreas, 18 December 2014 18:10)
@ Andreas,
In 1990 the standard living in Serbia was 20 times higher than in Albania, and now the difference on standard of living is much much closer where Serbia and Albania are in the same boat and they might enter EU in the same time.
Now either Albania had move forward, Serbia has not, or Albania has move faster than Serbia, because compare the standard of living they are neck and neck or Serbia is just ahead but not by far.
Albania is NATO member, is in the white Schengen list and candidate for EU.
Secondly,
Why is this negative wave of comments, now that both countries did something good?
Would you guys be more happy if we continue to fight?
It doesn't help either country.
pre 9 godina
@ Mirel from Albania,
You do realize that it was Serbia that was bombed, right? It was not Albania, but Serbia. In fact, NATO's bombing of Serbia is the 2nd biggest task in the history of NATO. Right after the war, right after NATO bombed the whole Industry sector of Serbia, American, German and British multinationals bought the sector for basically nothing. So as you can see, the domestic production of Serbia was not controlled by Serbia, not by an inch. That should answer your question about the Serbian economy.
Now about the negative comments you say, with all due respect I don't really care how your country is doing. I only care about Serbs. If Serbs are happy when you are happy, then I am happy for you. If you become happy however by creating problems to Serbs, then I am not happy for you.
pre 9 godina
@alberta
....If 90% of the population in Kosovo consists of Albanians, then Serbs (and not you because you are Albanian for sure) should start returning to Kosovo. After all, its their State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo. By pretending to be Serb you only humiliate the already humiliated nation of Albanians...
Your solution sounds more like colonization. Kosovo has a high immigration rate so lots of Albanians are leaving, I dont see why Serbs would like to go to a place with 30% unemployment. Rational people think in economical terms, there are better prospects for better life for Serbs in Serbia than in Kosovo, that is why no serb will willingly return there. Nationalist fever has its sex appeal in theory but most people thing about their small and imediate family first rather than Greater Serbia. You have yourself left Serbia completely for a better life in the EU, so you have no lessons to give at this level.
Then, most land in Kosovo it is owned by private citizens, be albanians or serbs, so if you want to go there you just cant kick people out of their houses to make room for new settlers, and real estate in kosovo is not cheap. Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia? There is no ideology here, only practical and economical consideration. This only explains the current sate of affairs.
pre 9 godina
"Why would I pay so much money to go and live in a crappy place when the same money buys me a better life in Serbia?"
(boom )
Because you are Albanian. If you were Serb, you would go back simply because Kosovo is Serbian. Since Albanians sit their butts in Kosovo, why wouldn't Serbs do the same? After all, Kosovo is a Serbian State. Serbs should push their government to motivate Serbs to return to Kosovo.
pre 9 godina
Ha, the fixation of some of our Serb (and one of our Hungarian) friends with donkeys is entertaining. Why do you love donkeys so much So Sad (and Ataman)? You often talk about them. Remember there are also other animals: horses, bulls, dogs, turtles, expand your horizons :).
About the article, good job to the two prime ministers, this is one more good thing they can tell Merkel!
pre 9 godina
I must admit that it's a step in the right direction for Albania & Serbia to recognize each other's driver's licences.
If it's a good example since my country & United States are neighbouring nations to one another can someone imagine the inconvenience if both countries didn't recognize each other's driver's licences? Besides since I'm currently visiting America I thought I'd mention that our original mode of transportation was driving from Fredericton to Bangor International Airport (Bangor,Maine,U.S.A.) than a flight to New York's La Guardia Airport and eventually to Minneapolis/St Paul International Airport.So the point of mentioning that is that it would have very inconvenient for us if U.S. didn't recognize Canadian licence plates and truth is that a flight out of Fredericton's airport is more costly than flying out of certain American airports!
pre 9 godina
@andreas
yeah, you are right :-)), countries like England and France and Italy do indeed include prostitution in their GDP numbers, but I didnt mean in that way. My semantics might be wrong but I can see that there is way more stuff going on in Albania than here right now. I would rather live in Durres than any place in Serbia. We seem to be stuck. I don't know why. There are huge investments in Albania right now. I just don't see the same thing in Serbia. Why?
pre 9 godina
@andreas
...if you want to join the Union, forget about Kosovo". So you have to be careful...
I hear you, but I would like to know your suggestion, what should we do about Kosovo? It has more than 90% albanian population and they don't want to live with us, what is your solution? Send in the army again?
regarding the economics, I am no economist but I traveled to Albania when the communist system fell and it was dirt poor, and I mean really dirt poor, and there was no way to compare it with Serbia.
Today is a different story, at least so it looks to me, they have advanced way faster and we seem to be stuck. It is just my opinion.
pre 9 godina
Boom,
With my cordial friendship, I invite you personally, to visit Kosova as my guest at my house! You can come whenever you have time, just write to me (my private mail : lum.gjika@gmail.com . We are not developed, as we are in the highest level of poverty, but I would like you to come here and see that, hate must not really be in our daily lives. We must concentrate in economic development, rather than in Propaganda and the issue of independence. Still, if we pretend to go to EU, there will be no border crossings, still you will go to Belgrade without any stopping or come to Prishtina and Tirana freely. If we pretend to be nationalists, our future will be not bright.
pre 9 godina
people what a f..k is wrong with this news? everything is part of politic's? nothing is wrong jut a good news for citizens of both countrys so they can do much easy they daily bussines when they travel as a normal human being not as you donkey's dont have a clue what you talking about go get e real life do something extraordinary with your self... to the booth priminister's i wish the best of the best for the future doing the wright things
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