"Even Serbia and Russia wouldn't recognize RS"

RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved. Dayton served its purpose, but it's time for BiH to have one democratically elected central government composed of one PM, a legislative body, and maybe a President. Having two entities and strong Kanton level governance only leads to paralysis of government and political corruption.
(LK, 16 December 2014 16:25)

Blah, blah, blah. Serbia has more refugees than any other country in Europe. And if the RS wasn't established, that number would have increased by the 1.5 million Serbs that make up the RS. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Al-Qaeda and the other Jihadists came to Bosnia to fight against "genocide". Today, if they are alive, are fighting the West in Syria. A little awkward to assume NATO countries and Radical Islam had the same interests in the 90s, no?

RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved. Dayton served its purpose, but it's time for BiH to have one democratically elected central government composed of one PM, a legislative body, and maybe a President. Having two entities and strong Kanton level governance only leads to paralysis of government and political corruption.

From LK: "RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved."

Sounds like you just described Croatia, don't you think???

Blah, blah, blah. Serbia has more refugees than any other country in Europe. And if the RS wasn't established, that number would have increased by the 1.5 million Serbs that make up the RS. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Al-Qaeda and the other Jihadists came to Bosnia to fight against "genocide". Today, if they are alive, are fighting the West in Syria. A little awkward to assume NATO countries and Radical Islam had the same interests in the 90s, no?

Germany has the largest refugee population followed by France, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, then Serbia. When you make easily disprovable statements like that, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.

http://www.unhcr.org/4fd9e6266.html

nice little show because RS is already gone.....cant you see that,they have their own president their own police and borders.....hmmm.....

Wise words Njegos. I hope that historical (hysterical) revisionist LK apologizes for his misplaced and inaccurate hyperbole.

Nothing revisionist or hyperbolic about stating the fact that RS was created from ethnic cleansing and genocide. Changing the topic is not an effective argument. The topic was RS, not Croatia.

Sounds like you just described Croatia, don't you think???

The article is about RS, not Croatia. Stick to the topic. There were plenty of atrocities in Croatia committed by Croats against Serbs and Serbs against Croats, but that's another topic entirely.

According to Ivanic, this is because "otherwise, Belgrade would have to say that Kosovo's independence is a reality."

True, I agree. That's why Serbia has a little problem with not voicing concern about Putin and his land grabbing and at the same time talking about respecting borders and sovereignty of Ukraine.

"Ivanic expressed his doubt that even Russia would have an interest to support the independence of the RS."

Well, Russia doesn't care - it has no problem with violating territorial integrity of Ukraine and supporting ethnic Russian separatist itself and even annexing territory of a sovereign neighbor state, while it of course doesn't support the Republic of Kosovo (self-declared by ethnic Albanian separatists as well).

Serbia does say Kosovo independence is a reality. It has border guards and customs agents on its border with Kosovo. It signed the Brussels agreement. It appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador to Kosovo. It plans to compete with Kosovo in the Olympics. Tomislav karadzic says Serbian government told him to work for Kosovo in FIFA. Vucic compare Kosovo to Bosnia and Croatia. Serbia will use a kosovo country code to call Kosovo!!!

Future Serbia will be built from RS.

Arn.Sweden.

Wise words Njegos. I hope that historical (hysterical) revisionist LK apologizes for his misplaced and inaccurate hyperbole.

(Ian, UK, 17 December 2014 11:49)

Well you know I as always appreciate your thoughts. Ironically it is the United Kingdom that is devolved (and continued talk for further devolution) along ethnic lines and that seems to be working out fine. Ian you think RS should have cantons, but it is the Federation that needs reform. Bosnia should be a federal union of three states-Bosniak, Croat and Serb parts. Each community governs themselves on most issues, but when holds common policy of military neutrality as you suggested.

Problem is, there is many in the Bosniak political elite and some of their long-time enablers/lobbyists in the West which seek to constantly push for a centralized Bosnia against the will of non-Muslims.

Funny, you are all about pragmatic solutions for Bosnia's territorial integrity at the detriment of Serbs even though RS makes up half of Bosnia and yet stolen occupied Kosovo-Metohija which only makes up 15% of Serbia must forever remain a heroin hub/black hole.

Germany has the largest refugee population followed by France, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, then Serbia. When you make easily disprovable statements like that, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.

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(LK, 16 December 2014 22:00)

You have to look at it in relative terms. Those populations are all much larger than Serbia's. And they are completely different circumstances. The governments of UK and the Netherlands support a policy of mass immigration, so they are constantly taking in more and more people who are claiming refugee status.

That's completely irrelevant to the point. The creation of RS is the only thing that ensured the survival of 1.5 million Serbs living there. They aren't settlers, they've been there for as long as the Bosniaks. And during the war, all sides committed atrocities. For the Bosnians' part, they brought some troubling elements from the Middle East to the Balkans in the form of a radical Islam that was never even prevalent among Bosnians historically.

Interesting that people talk about Cantons. If Izetbegovic hadn't withdrawn his signature from the Lisbon Agreement in Feb 1992, which offered just that, then 100,000 lives could have been saved.

Your link lists Germany as the country hosting the most refugees "AMONG INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS"...it's in capital letters because you obviously need it. Serbia is not considered an industrial nation among the level of Germany, so it wasn't included. It also lists the refugee number in Germany at 571,700. That is a far cry from the refugees in Serbia which is over a million. Many of those are no longer even counted as refugees as they have been there since the end of the war and are not counted anymore. They're still refugees because they can't go home.

The worst posters are those who post with hate like LK, Bam Bam, Leonard, etc because the truth is of no consequence. Whatever it takes to twist it into their hate agenda.

while it of course doesn't support the Republic of Kosovo (self-declared by ethnic Albanian separatists as well).
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 December 2014 18:15)

Most declarations of independence in this world are self-declared. The USA for example. At one point all territories that were subjugated to another country's will by force were separatist territories that unilaterally went their way. Serbia for example was nothing but a bunch of separatists that unilaterally split from the Ottoman empire.So there is nothing negative about terms like self-declared or separatist. The wrong doing is when it comes to how things evolved. There were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea. Hence there was no just cause for external anexation. It was purely so Putin could feel like a macho man. Easy to do when you're dealing with a weak poor country like Ukraine.

"The governments of UK and the Netherlands support a policy of mass immigration,..."

Mr Farage, is that you? Why on earth to they support this? what's in it for them?

(Ari Gold, 17 December 2014 07:10)

Dayton was a good solution for 1995 but that is almost 20 years ago now, times have changed. I think it is time to modernise Bosnia instead of having divisions based on ethnic lines, the people of Bosnia will never move on whilst they're ethnically divided. I think Bosnia should be reorganised like Switzerland which has has multiple peoples/ languages like Bosnia. There are Cantons in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and there should be Cantons in the RS too; these cantons should be reorganised into autonomous Cantons like in Switzerland and local decisions can be made locally instead of having internal ethnic federations. Bosnia should be militarily neutral, have a federal council and have direct democracy like Switzerland. I think it would be better for all the people of BiH to better themselves and move on with their lives if Bosnia were to be prosperous and stable by becoming 'the Switzerland of the East' and they should market themselves as such to international investors and partners.

Usually, B92 repeats the same boring declarations of Dodik. So often that it seems Dodik is the only politician in RS. What happened? Why is somebody from the opposition in RS being given space on B92? :). And why does what he says make so much more sense than Dodik's declarations?

Anyone who has read my comments regularly will know that I have said many of the same things for several years, not least that there will be no unified BiH, no 3rd entity and no independent RS. Clearly my old mate Mladen agrees.

"here were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea."

Yes there was but since you probably only read western newspapers you would never find out. There were a lot of murders committed by the ukrainian nazis and in Kiev there were daily reports on violent attacks and murders vs russians.

Aleks: The problem with the figures relating to 'refugees' is that the term is usually used to denote a foreign person seeking refuge, whereas many of the people to whom you refer are displaced Serbs from other parts of the former Yugoslavia. These might reasonably be described as internally displaced persons. To refer to a displaced Serb from Kosovo as a refugee would be tantamount to recognising Kosovo's independence and therefore one assumes that they are not included in the figures, at least by Belgrade.

"here were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea."

Yes there was but since you probably only read western newspapers you would never find out. There were a lot of murders committed by the ukrainian nazis and in Kiev there were daily reports on violent attacks and murders vs russians.
(Daniel, 18 December 2014 15:59)

Really?! Can you show evidence for at least a few days and that happening in each of those days?

RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved. Dayton served its purpose, but it's time for BiH to have one democratically elected central government composed of one PM, a legislative body, and maybe a President. Having two entities and strong Kanton level governance only leads to paralysis of government and political corruption.

RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved. Dayton served its purpose, but it's time for BiH to have one democratically elected central government composed of one PM, a legislative body, and maybe a President. Having two entities and strong Kanton level governance only leads to paralysis of government and political corruption.
(LK, 16 December 2014 16:25)

Blah, blah, blah. Serbia has more refugees than any other country in Europe. And if the RS wasn't established, that number would have increased by the 1.5 million Serbs that make up the RS. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Al-Qaeda and the other Jihadists came to Bosnia to fight against "genocide". Today, if they are alive, are fighting the West in Syria. A little awkward to assume NATO countries and Radical Islam had the same interests in the 90s, no?

From LK: "RS was built on ethnic cleansing and genocide and should be dissolved."

Sounds like you just described Croatia, don't you think???

nice little show because RS is already gone.....cant you see that,they have their own president their own police and borders.....hmmm.....

According to Ivanic, this is because "otherwise, Belgrade would have to say that Kosovo's independence is a reality."

True, I agree. That's why Serbia has a little problem with not voicing concern about Putin and his land grabbing and at the same time talking about respecting borders and sovereignty of Ukraine.

"Ivanic expressed his doubt that even Russia would have an interest to support the independence of the RS."

Well, Russia doesn't care - it has no problem with violating territorial integrity of Ukraine and supporting ethnic Russian separatist itself and even annexing territory of a sovereign neighbor state, while it of course doesn't support the Republic of Kosovo (self-declared by ethnic Albanian separatists as well).

Future Serbia will be built from RS.

Arn.Sweden.

Wise words Njegos. I hope that historical (hysterical) revisionist LK apologizes for his misplaced and inaccurate hyperbole.

Sounds like you just described Croatia, don't you think???

The article is about RS, not Croatia. Stick to the topic. There were plenty of atrocities in Croatia committed by Croats against Serbs and Serbs against Croats, but that's another topic entirely.

Blah, blah, blah. Serbia has more refugees than any other country in Europe. And if the RS wasn't established, that number would have increased by the 1.5 million Serbs that make up the RS. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Al-Qaeda and the other Jihadists came to Bosnia to fight against "genocide". Today, if they are alive, are fighting the West in Syria. A little awkward to assume NATO countries and Radical Islam had the same interests in the 90s, no?

Germany has the largest refugee population followed by France, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, then Serbia. When you make easily disprovable statements like that, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.

http://www.unhcr.org/4fd9e6266.html

Germany has the largest refugee population followed by France, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, then Serbia. When you make easily disprovable statements like that, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.

[link]
(LK, 16 December 2014 22:00)

You have to look at it in relative terms. Those populations are all much larger than Serbia's. And they are completely different circumstances. The governments of UK and the Netherlands support a policy of mass immigration, so they are constantly taking in more and more people who are claiming refugee status.

That's completely irrelevant to the point. The creation of RS is the only thing that ensured the survival of 1.5 million Serbs living there. They aren't settlers, they've been there for as long as the Bosniaks. And during the war, all sides committed atrocities. For the Bosnians' part, they brought some troubling elements from the Middle East to the Balkans in the form of a radical Islam that was never even prevalent among Bosnians historically.

Wise words Njegos. I hope that historical (hysterical) revisionist LK apologizes for his misplaced and inaccurate hyperbole.

Nothing revisionist or hyperbolic about stating the fact that RS was created from ethnic cleansing and genocide. Changing the topic is not an effective argument. The topic was RS, not Croatia.

"The governments of UK and the Netherlands support a policy of mass immigration,..."

Mr Farage, is that you? Why on earth to they support this? what's in it for them?

Interesting that people talk about Cantons. If Izetbegovic hadn't withdrawn his signature from the Lisbon Agreement in Feb 1992, which offered just that, then 100,000 lives could have been saved.

Anyone who has read my comments regularly will know that I have said many of the same things for several years, not least that there will be no unified BiH, no 3rd entity and no independent RS. Clearly my old mate Mladen agrees.

Your link lists Germany as the country hosting the most refugees "AMONG INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS"...it's in capital letters because you obviously need it. Serbia is not considered an industrial nation among the level of Germany, so it wasn't included. It also lists the refugee number in Germany at 571,700. That is a far cry from the refugees in Serbia which is over a million. Many of those are no longer even counted as refugees as they have been there since the end of the war and are not counted anymore. They're still refugees because they can't go home.

The worst posters are those who post with hate like LK, Bam Bam, Leonard, etc because the truth is of no consequence. Whatever it takes to twist it into their hate agenda.

Serbia does say Kosovo independence is a reality. It has border guards and customs agents on its border with Kosovo. It signed the Brussels agreement. It appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador to Kosovo. It plans to compete with Kosovo in the Olympics. Tomislav karadzic says Serbian government told him to work for Kosovo in FIFA. Vucic compare Kosovo to Bosnia and Croatia. Serbia will use a kosovo country code to call Kosovo!!!

while it of course doesn't support the Republic of Kosovo (self-declared by ethnic Albanian separatists as well).
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 December 2014 18:15)

Most declarations of independence in this world are self-declared. The USA for example. At one point all territories that were subjugated to another country's will by force were separatist territories that unilaterally went their way. Serbia for example was nothing but a bunch of separatists that unilaterally split from the Ottoman empire.So there is nothing negative about terms like self-declared or separatist. The wrong doing is when it comes to how things evolved. There were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea. Hence there was no just cause for external anexation. It was purely so Putin could feel like a macho man. Easy to do when you're dealing with a weak poor country like Ukraine.

(Ari Gold, 17 December 2014 07:10)

Dayton was a good solution for 1995 but that is almost 20 years ago now, times have changed. I think it is time to modernise Bosnia instead of having divisions based on ethnic lines, the people of Bosnia will never move on whilst they're ethnically divided. I think Bosnia should be reorganised like Switzerland which has has multiple peoples/ languages like Bosnia. There are Cantons in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and there should be Cantons in the RS too; these cantons should be reorganised into autonomous Cantons like in Switzerland and local decisions can be made locally instead of having internal ethnic federations. Bosnia should be militarily neutral, have a federal council and have direct democracy like Switzerland. I think it would be better for all the people of BiH to better themselves and move on with their lives if Bosnia were to be prosperous and stable by becoming 'the Switzerland of the East' and they should market themselves as such to international investors and partners.

(Ian, UK, 17 December 2014 11:49)

Well you know I as always appreciate your thoughts. Ironically it is the United Kingdom that is devolved (and continued talk for further devolution) along ethnic lines and that seems to be working out fine. Ian you think RS should have cantons, but it is the Federation that needs reform. Bosnia should be a federal union of three states-Bosniak, Croat and Serb parts. Each community governs themselves on most issues, but when holds common policy of military neutrality as you suggested.

Problem is, there is many in the Bosniak political elite and some of their long-time enablers/lobbyists in the West which seek to constantly push for a centralized Bosnia against the will of non-Muslims.

Funny, you are all about pragmatic solutions for Bosnia's territorial integrity at the detriment of Serbs even though RS makes up half of Bosnia and yet stolen occupied Kosovo-Metohija which only makes up 15% of Serbia must forever remain a heroin hub/black hole.

Usually, B92 repeats the same boring declarations of Dodik. So often that it seems Dodik is the only politician in RS. What happened? Why is somebody from the opposition in RS being given space on B92? :). And why does what he says make so much more sense than Dodik's declarations?

Aleks: The problem with the figures relating to 'refugees' is that the term is usually used to denote a foreign person seeking refuge, whereas many of the people to whom you refer are displaced Serbs from other parts of the former Yugoslavia. These might reasonably be described as internally displaced persons. To refer to a displaced Serb from Kosovo as a refugee would be tantamount to recognising Kosovo's independence and therefore one assumes that they are not included in the figures, at least by Belgrade.

"here were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea."

Yes there was but since you probably only read western newspapers you would never find out. There were a lot of murders committed by the ukrainian nazis and in Kiev there were daily reports on violent attacks and murders vs russians.

"here were no mass murders or efforts of ethnic cleansing in Crimea."

Yes there was but since you probably only read western newspapers you would never find out. There were a lot of murders committed by the ukrainian nazis and in Kiev there were daily reports on violent attacks and murders vs russians.
(Daniel, 18 December 2014 15:59)

Really?! Can you show evidence for at least a few days and that happening in each of those days?