"NATO membership would improve quality of life"

I think that no one has said at these meetings that if Serbia joins NATO, maybe one day Serb soldiers are destined to fight the Russian army. Given that Russia has been a country that has always supported Serbia in hard times for this country, I think it would an act of disloyalty to a friendly country. Anyway, I think it should be clear that in this matter there are no candid positions. USA and the West have strategic interests of hegemony to desire Serbia join NATO. And remember, even disguising parallel arguments, NATO is primarily a military organization. And there are EU member countries that are not members of NATO and do not seem to have much hurry to enter.

NATO=MURDERERS

Belgrade NATO week.

Belgrade have seen many NATO weeks in 1999.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vl8NIboyfms/maxresdefault.jpg

Let's not use any graphic images...
I'll just answer one question they asked back then.

https://i0.wp.com/inserbia.info/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nato-kasetna-serbia.jpg

Yes. I do!
And I don't want to be you (NATO).

nobody cares for american lies an propaganda no more....

"NATO membership would improve quality of life"

No. NATO membership will improve the quality of death! It's so much better
to be 'collateral damage' from laser guided bombs because they are far more expensive than normal dumb bombs or illegal cluster bombs (that NATO used in 1999) because it shows NATO puts such high 'values' on killing civilians.

If you take the 12/21 Brussels city-Brussels Airport/(Place)Luxemboug-Airport/ bus you pass the NATO monstrosity you see in the picture. The new NATO building is being built across the road by a bulgarian company because it is the cheapest, so expect some really high quality construction, for the plans not to be leaked and for it to be immune to eavesdropping!

Of all the ridiculous aS arguments in favour of NATO this has got to be the worst - NATO and quality of life?!

Read about Gladio and NATOs relations with far-right terrorism in the cold war.

NATO overthrew the Greek government in 1967 and installed a dictatorship. NATO supported every coup against democracy in Turkey.NATO planted bombs in Bologna and Munich killing hundreds of civilians.

The traitors who support NATO in Serbia are human garbage who are spitting on the graves of the children murdered by this US organisation.

There is an Honest News Article by an American Independent Journalist which is Titled: The Demonization of Slobodan Milosevic at http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html .

There is a News Article written by a Honest British Journalist, and it is Titled: Milosevic: true or false at http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/21/tenquestionsonslobodanmilo .

That Honest Article says: "How much do you know about Slobodan Milosevic, the recently deceased former president of Yugoslavia? Here's 10 statements that we've all heard many times in the western media these last seven days. But which of them are true and which are false? 1) Milosevic was a dictator. 2) He was a Serb nationalist. 3) He was responsible for the break-up of Yugoslavia. 4) His 1989 speech at Kosovo Polje was a nationalist rant that inflamed ancient ethnic hatreds. 5) He started four wars. 6) He was responsible for the massacre at Srebrenica 7) He ordered a systematic programme of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. 8) He was toppled by a "democratic revolution" in 2000. 9) The trial at The Hague had produced evidence of his guilt. 10) He will be mourned by "only a few". How many do you think are true? Seven, eight- all of them? The answer is zero. Every single statement is untrue."

There is a News Article written by an Honest Anglo-American Journalist on the cover up of NATO, and it is Titled: The Milosevic trial is a travesty at http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/12/warcrimes.comment .

Given that Russia has been a country that has always supported Serbia in hard times for this country, I think it would an act of disloyalty to a friendly country.
(Javier (Madrid, Spain), 15 December 2014 17:58)

Well, it's more like "sometimes" instead of "always". When on June 10, 1999 Serbia pleaded Mr. Lavrov not to raise his hand for approving UNSCR 1244, Mr. Lavrov ignored Serbia's pleadings. Not to mention the reduction of the gas supply in the middle of the winter just a few weeks ago over a dispute for a $200 million bill (peanuts for Russia). That's really the face of a "friendly" country... Russians must be laughing at Serbs who call them "brothers" even after Russia repeatedly spits on Serbia's face. No wonder there is not much respect for Serbia if Serbs don't have some respect for themselves in the first place.

NATO'S membership for Serbia,should be out of the question for foreseeable future.It should be clear to every politician of any political stripe,presently in power or not,NATO bombed not only communist dictator of Serbia at that time,they bombed soul of Serbian Nation, our people, our institutions and our HOLY LAND.No matter what anyone out there may say,Russia never bomb us.It is inconceivable to me that under any circumstances Russia would do to us what NATO did.

NATO membership means big increase of the military spending. Ask the Poles or the Czechs how many hundreds of mullions dollars they had to spent to rearm their armies, to train the personnel ect. After that you can say if you are to afford such a pleasure. Only then the political , economic and moral aspects will arise.

Like it did in 99. Get real, and get these people out of Serbia.

O.K. enough is enough. I have to admit I am a frustrated Albanian who lives in Albania, the country of horror and crime. I hate the fact that Albanians in Kosovo introduce themselves as Kosovars and not as Albanians. It was not supposed to be like that, USA promised us that Kosova would become ours. We hate Serbs because after 5 centuries of Islamic occupation they still managed to maintain their religion. In Albania we have Muslims, Catholics and Orthodox because every time a country invaded and occupied us, a big part of our population converted, because we were big cowards and afraid of our invader's anger. I hate it that Putin supports Serbia so much, I hate it. I know that USA used us to build NATO Bases in the Balkans and now that Americans got what they wanted, they don't care anymore. We have no real allies, no one calls us brothers like Russians call Serbs, not even Turkish like us because half of us are not Muslims. I know that we stole Kosova from Serbs but Serbs are so dumb that they might actually let us get away with that. I pray every day to Allah that a bear in Siberia will attack and eat Putin. It's pathetic, I know, but it's our only hope to get Kosova.

No offence, but Serbia has none of the values mentioned by the personal from NATO. Nor does it belong in an organisation like NATO.

Well, it's more like "sometimes" instead of "always". When on June 10, 1999 Serbia pleaded Mr. Lavrov not to raise his hand for approving UNSCR 1244, Mr. Lavrov ignored Serbia's pleadings. Not to mention the reduction of the gas supply in the middle of the winter just a few weeks ago over a dispute for a $200 million bill (peanuts for Russia). That's really the face of a "friendly" country... Russians must be laughing at Serbs who call them "brothers" even after Russia repeatedly spits on Serbia's face. No wonder there is not much respect for Serbia if Serbs don't have some respect for themselves in the first place.
(icj1, 15 December 2014 22:31)
I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova? the question is whether Ablos know what are computer does and maybe that’s problem.
During 1999 NATO threw everything and anything in Kosova and killed anything that moves. Then there is the depleted uranimum in Kosova. Have they cleaned it up yet?

@kreten

You should match the links against photos of genocide that was done in your name!

NATO

Ooh... how I remember those beautiful NATO generous and fruitful aerial deposits to provided inspiration, warmness and an awesome light show :)

That was true unforgettable happiness!....

I am sure Serbs are also fond of those memorable events.

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 10:38)
There is no evidence of a connection to Albanians Illyrians except the ones in your head. The Romans, Turks and Serbs have left bridges, churches, houses, buildings in Kosovo, but Albanians do not have a cave painting and that’s after thousands of years of so called occupation.
Now that you have 89% internet usage in Kosova then why are you and your kind using a Serb-based media site to make comment. Surely there is one based in Pristina? Next thing I expect you to mention that the economy in Kosova is larger than in Serbia, but the thing that fails in this argument is the “official” level of unemployment of 45%.
Here is my question. Since the west loves you so much how many factories/industry have relocated to Kosova??????????? How many?
Kosovo cannot be united with Albania because the EU will NEVER allow the formation of a large Muslim country in Europe. Try it and they will destroy the lot of you.
The $200 million business had nothing to do with Serbia at all but it was politics on a larger scale. Serbia has and always will get gas from Russia.
Yes its called depleted uranium and they used it extensively in Kosovo in 1999. Now how much has been removed????? I hate to tell you but the west would not piss on you Albanians in Kosovo if you were on fire. You will rot there. No jobs and no prospects. Is it any wonder why the young Albanians are leaving Kosovo.

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 14:48)

I said that there is no evidence that Illyrians and Albanians are the same people. Yes there were a people called Illyrians but they did not transform into Albanians. Albanians arrived with the Turks.
Had you said that over time after arrival in the Balkans the Albanians intermarried with Thracians or Illyrians I would agree. However, there is no archaeological site that shows a that Albanians are descendents of Illyrians. I think you need to lay off the hooch because the Illyrians left no written records and we don’t know anything about their spoken language. That’s why they are a mystery. The attachment deals more with Serb history than Albanian plus it’s not really proof.
What about Russia and Serbia? The debt business had more to do with Russia and Europe than Russia and Serbia. The Russians have given plenty to Serbia in aid and loans, but what has the west given the Albanians in Kosovo?
Now tell me how many industries has the west relocated to Pristina? I am keen to know.

The Russians will be jumping in joy when Serbia becomes a NATO member!

I dont see how our daily life can be improved by joining NATO other than being part of the trend.
I dont see any military threats to our country either. Instead we should put all our energy into improving our regional economic ties and joining EU, this will improve our daily life for sure.

Hahaha joining NATO will improve the quality of life of Serbs, I didn't know consuming depleted uranium was a health benefit. Where did those scientific results come from? Dr Yamak from the University of Kazakhstan in the movie Borat?

However I wouldn't be surprised if Serbia joined NATO, Russia has left us to die like roadkill.

Belgrade NATO week? Serbia got around 11 of those back in 1999.
Perhaps accession to this organization that engages in illegal wars should be put to vote by the people of Serbia.

SJ.

West gave us our land. Which for you, was tremendously important to settle the refugees that came from Croatia, and it is now your nightmare. As I read many things that you said about Illyrians and Albanians, actually do you know that Albanian language does not have any routes. If you are saying that it comes from Middle East or Antarctica or Mongolia or Samoa or whatever where, you need to prove how can a language such as Albanian be like this. If you want send me your email, I would send you a great book, that also tells about the origin of Serbs, with conclusions.

Here is the link for Albanian Language that belongs to Paleo-Balkanik Languages.

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/general/ie-lg/Albanian.html

Also, The Enciklopedija Jugoslavije tells a lot about Illyrians and they being predecessors of Albanians. If they told that so, than why are you complaining about.

sj, Thracians did NOT mix with Albanians, man. And it will take a long, long, looong time before Greeks of ANY State including Thrace will mix with Albanians in the future :-)
Why do you think Greeks support Albania's EU candidacy? If it was up to us, they would be a member-state already. The best way for us to stop having Albanian immigrants here whining for Greek citizenship is by helping them join the EU. Not that all of them have any luck getting the citizenship, but some of them do. Though for us it's quite amusing to see male Albanians getting the citizenship. See, as "Greeks" they have to serve the Greek Army for 1 year, where they learn among other things that there are only two countries they have to love, one is Greece and one is Serbia. God is a troll. A mega troll ;-)

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 17:08)
You need archaeological evidence. Everything else is an opinion. All the text you quote is someone’s academic work based on previous work and then a conclusion is drawn, they are only theories and you need hard evidence. You can’t draw conclusions on Albanians today and Illyrians of 5000 years ago because the Illyrians did not have a written language.
As I said before had you stated that Albanians intermixed with Thracians and Illyrians then yes that would be correct, but not what your claiming.

Sj and Ida, if it is concluded and facted that Albanians were here in Albania and Kosovo before Serbs, it means that Albanian did not steal anything from you, but you stole their land. As you are saying that Germans and Austrians started to study the existence of the Albanian culture and heritage. Lets take out all these people, why British, American, Armenian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Turkish, Italian, Spanish, Egyptian, Israeli and Arab scientists say that Illyrians are predecessors of Albanians. I mean, come on, these people are not crazy. Do you know that actually there is a scientist in Greece, who gave all his life to study Albanian and Illyrian Heritage. Do you know what happened? Actually he found many evidences about the Illyrian and Albanian heritage. And as he was saying, he found out that Armenian and Albanian language are the FIRST indo-european language in this earth. He found out that if Albanians would not assimilate, they would have their own letters, not Latin letters. There are many evidences my friends, but if you do not want to read about those, it is your problem. But it is not fair, to claim something which is non-existent.
Again as I am saying there is a video which tells BY FACTS the language heritage made by businessinsider and you can watch it if you like.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/map-how-indo-european-languages-evolved-2014-12

Have a nice day.

Have a nice day.
(Kosovar Albanian, 17 December 2014 09:47)
Yes Illyrians were people that lived before the Albanians arrived in the region just as Thracians were people that lived in that part of Serbia before the Serbs arrived. However, this does not make the Thracians Serbs just as Constantine the Great was not a Serb despite being born in Nis.
All this you claim is not evidence at all. Especially the display about languages. Dr Quentin Atkinson group claims it all started in Turkey then you have Dr David Anthony who said he found Dr Atkinson’s language tree of Indo-European implausible in several details. They are only theories not fact.
The Illyrians had no written language so how can you compare Albanian and Illyrian languages to conclude they are the same people????
You claim that Albanians have been there for thousands of years and yet there is nothing in Kosovo. Roman ruins exist, Turks built things and so did the Serbs, but not even a foot bridge that can be claimed as Albanian and to top it off you have Albanians now claiming that Serb Churches and monasteries were built by Albanians and the Serbs stole them.

(Skifteri, 17 December 2014 03:40)
There is no direct link. You need evidence. I can claim that Serbs were in the Danube Valley 6000 years ago, but there is no evidence.

LOL, one of the billion reasons I'm not a GD supporter (or a nationalists in general) is that GD supports Albanians. About your Greek roots, this means nothing to me with respect to your reliability and your "knowledge" about Greece. Were you born and raised in Greece? Do you speak Greek? Are your parents and grandparents Greeks? Have you served in the Greek Army? Do you have Albanian neighbors with Greek citizenship? Because I have some. Did you attend a Greek school? because if you have, you'd know how Greeks feel about Serbs. Were you in Greece in 1991-1999 to see ALL Greeks including leftists and communists helping Serbs? If yes, you'd know that nationalism has nothing to do with the Greek-Serbian friendship. Did your parents talk to you about our brothers, Serbs, when you were 5? Because this is what Greek families do and my family is not even a right-wing. You don't have Greek roots, you have Albanian roots. If you were a real Greek you wouldn't say "thank God I'm not Turk or Slav", you'd say thank God I'm not Turk or ALBANIAN. Sooo you are Albanian. And for your information, have no illusions: No one likes Albanians in Greece. Not the leftists, not the communists not the liberals. It's just that some people tolerate you and some people don't.

I want to reply to anyone saying that Kosova was stolen. Nobody stole Kosovo from Serbia, because it has been Illyrian, who are predecessors of Albanians . Here is the link about it if you want to read and not watch cartoons on TV shown for a propaganda history.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/283105/Illyria

It existed before you were born as population or before you have been called Serbs. There are even scientific research made by SERBS who ratify this information. I can understand you, but anyway. About the thing that you are talking about, SJ, the computer thing I mean, Kosovo has 89 % internet usage, which means that Internet is spread in every single place in Kosovo, compared to Serbia which has 51.5 % internet usage. It tell a lot, still I am afraid that you are watching cartoons instead of reality. And to finish this debate, Kosovo is an independent country, it wont be united with Albania and any other country. Albanians and Kosovo Albanians, have their allies, thanks to them, I dont want to be in the position one day, our allies to block our gas, or to block anything which would harm our lives, as Russia did to Serbs, for 200 million debt for gas. Actually, if there is a brotherhood, this would not happen. I can understand you all. About the uranium, probably you haven't been to Kosovo, and I am happy that you haven't been here. We do not want Propaganda Virus in Kosovo. Love your Russiand and Greeks "brothers", you fools.

First off, "Kosovo" is a Serbian word - and Serbs are the ones first connected with it. In the history of the Byzantine Empire there are mentions of Serbs in Pristina and Prizren in the 11th century: Serbian royalty, rulers, soldiers, etc.

As for the Albanian from Zadar: it is know that Venice brought Albanians into the Dalmatia and coastal area to fight the Uskoks. The Uskoks were refugees who were forced to be pirates since they had been driven from their lands into the rocky coastal areas. The Uskoks were ingenious at building special ships which they used to pirate the Venice and other ships.

So Albanians were brought to fight them. And the Uskoks seem to be mainly Serb or Croat origins.

The fact is that most all the toponyms in Kosovo are Serbian or "Slavic" and there are also many of these in northern Albania.

As for the claim that Albanians were Illyrians - that was only started by the Austrians and Germans AFTER the Austrians had long referred to Serbs as Illyrians.

And in any event, the Illyrians seemed to have been cleansed or enslaved by the Romans. There is no real history of a huge migrations of Slavs coming in and killing the inhabitants.

When Serbs were first mentioned in the areas, they were already settled in villages: they were already in large numbers.
Serbs would be the same people who were living there, but under different names.

@ LOL

You don't even put an effort to pretend successfully that you are Greek. But it's quite offensive for me as a Greek to see Albanians pretending to be Greeks or of Greek origins. If you had Greek origins you would know that her nick name is a girly one. I guess when it comes to Greek names and nick names your knowledge is zero. If you (or your brother(s), father etc) spent 12 months in the Greek Army you would know that Albanian nationals with Greek citizenship or Greek Muslims of Turkish origins don't have exactly the time of their lives there, since the Army makes absolutely clear that Cyprus and Serbia are the countries we care about and Turkey and Albania are the countries we are willing to fight. And FYI, not only nationalists in Greece are Orthodox. Not only nationalists in Greece serve in the Army. Not only nationalists in Greece sent money, food, clothes, medication to Serbia during the Yugoslav war. It was not the Greek nationalists who went to Serbia for humanitarian aid, I participated myself in 1999 and my vote is far away from the nationalistic party in Greece. All Greeks supported and support Serbia. And definitely not only nationalists in Greece wish that all Albanians like yourself leave Greece permanently and migrate somewhere else. About the "Greek-Albanian brotherhood" you mention, go to Athens, pick a crowded street and shout about this "brotherhood". In less than 2 minutes you will have your answer.

SJ. If you are telling us that there is no evidence that Illyrians are not the predecessors of Albanians, than you are out of your mind or you are retarded as anyone in Serbia, except Srdjan Spasojevic and Dragoljub Vojnov who actually told the untold for Serbs. Even the language is same. If you are telling us that there is no evidence then I will prove it to you with this.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/v/vickers-serb.html

About the brotherhood with you and Russians, dont want to talk about it because the reality tells a lot.

Read more about Illyrians and Albanians, and when you find facts and conclusions, please come here and we can debate.

Bye from Republic of Kosova.

SJ, Ok let us take it more serious, if all of these are opinions, than, can you show me the evidence, that Serbs were before Albanians here, and the Serbs were inhabitants before Albanians in Kosovo. But please, evidences, not opinions. Probably you will find something, just in Yugoslavian libraries or books. But still, there are also Yugoslavian authors who CONCLUDED and GAVE EVIDENCES about the Illyrians being the predecessors of Albanian. His name is Aleksandar Stipcevic. Actually, also he is originally Albanian, but was born in Croatia in Zadar. He has many awards for his research and findings about Illyrians, also from Yugoslavian authorities. Do not think that I want to get into conflict with you, because actually the war time and fights belongs to the past, now evidences will be shown. In the world there are million of scientists and historians, that concluded the issue of Illyria and Illyrians. Now if you find 3 or 4 of them that say there are no evidence, this does not refute the issue. Please let us be constructive on this issue.
(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 23:56)

Sorry, but what would be the purpose of this exercise?! Whether Illyrians, Albanians or Serbs were before each other in Kosovo, they still were not the first form of life that inhabited Kosovo. So, say, Albanians where there before the Serbs, and then what?!

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 23:56)
I trust nothing written by “Yugoslavian authorities” because they were only there to praise Tito and tell the people that without him WW2 would have been lost and the sun would never come out the next morning. The vast majority of these books were written to prove the Party’s policy.
As a friend said once, most of the material in Yugoslav library books is not worth the paper it’s written on.
In academia you have people that research material and write a thesis based on that information and draw a conclusion, but they are only theories. It is archaeological digs that prove them. Once again, there is no such evidence.

(Yet Another J S, 15 December 2014 19:27)
Just goes to show that people choose to consider those things that support their personal agendas as "honest" whether they are factual or not.
If you notice in the article it simply denies what others say but offers no proof.

SJ, Ok let us take it more serious, if all of these are opinions, than, can you show me the evidence, that Serbs were before Albanians here, and the Serbs were inhabitants before Albanians in Kosovo. But please, evidences, not opinions. Probably you will find something, just in Yugoslavian libraries or books. But still, there are also Yugoslavian authors who CONCLUDED and GAVE EVIDENCES about the Illyrians being the predecessors of Albanian. His name is Aleksandar Stipcevic. Actually, also he is originally Albanian, but was born in Croatia in Zadar. He has many awards for his research and findings about Illyrians, also from Yugoslavian authorities. Do not think that I want to get into conflict with you, because actually the war time and fights belongs to the past, now evidences will be shown. In the world there are million of scientists and historians, that concluded the issue of Illyria and Illyrians. Now if you find 3 or 4 of them that say there are no evidence, this does not refute the issue. Please let us be constructive on this issue.

Stop the BS about who was here first. It does not matter. What really matters is that NATO membership will improve the quality of life in Serbia :).

"They'd learn to love Greece and Serbia"

LOL.

As someone who has Greek roots, I can surely confirm that is a lie. Not sure where Mina is getting these informations from.

Perhaps if she or he is a Golden Dawnist, shed know that GD in 1980s was on a rampage of the Greek-Albanian Brotherhood.

Likewise, no one really can be a citizen of Greece nowadays unless you were born from a Greek parent and not much bother to try to become one anyways.

Greeks only like Serbia for 2 main things, to get back at their neighbours and religious affiliations. That's the summary. If some ultra nationalist Greeks had their way Albanians, who are closely linked to Greeks in so many aspects that neither an Albanian, Greek or Serb who are Slav can deny, would be in a Hellenic Republic and vice versa for the Albanian nationalists.

Anyways, why are some people so off topic here? I am just thankful I am not a Slav nor a Turk...

As for NATO. Serbia doesn't hold NATO values [take this as you please, good or bad]. It shouldn't be apart of EU either.

Ciao.

Stop the BS about who was here first. It does not matter. What really matters is that NATO membership will improve the quality of life in Serbia :).
(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:39)

Does killing babies improve anyone's life? 'Cause this is what NATO did in Iraq and Afghanistan. You will become USA's dogs. You will have to send your Special Forces men in every war USA decides to start and all you'll get for return will be a promise that if anyone hurts your country, NATO will defend you. But who is going to defend you from NATO? Or do you honestly believe that NATO will be your real friend and ally? NATO membership is a trap for all countries except the US, the UK and Germany.

Does killing babies improve anyone's life?
(alberta, 19 December 2014 02:22)
That was one of the puzzling questions everyone had about Serbia's actions in the Balkans in the 90's

I truly understand Serbia's bad history with NATO. But let's consider the benefits of membership..... the country will surely become more respected worldwide and DEFINITELY more stable and prosperous.

(icj1, 15 December 2014 22:31)
I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?
(sj, 16 December 2014 09:40)

Great that we settled on the Russia/Serbia part. Now, as far as your question about the West/Kosova part, I'm sure that the CE of B92 forums sj will be more than happy to help you with that since it's been him/her talking about relocations of corporations to downtown Pristina, Miscrosoft opening an office there, etc. etc... Unfortunately I can't help with any of that since it was not me mentioning that stuff but the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

@ sj

The Evidance of Illrian existence on ballkan peninsula would be the Albanian people, not infrastructure/documents.

They had no system of writing to pass down their language on hard copies.

Albanian alphabet developed very late compared to the rest of their neighbours in the Balkan.

Therefore in history, Albanians and Illyrians are mentioned in foreign documentation.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:17)

Now I have spoken to SJ CE and he said that the question needs answering “how many corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?”

Sj
Kosovar Albanian

New Chronology explains things much better. They prove that during for 300 years in 13-16 centuries Europe was a colony of the Horde. It was reflected in history as Migration Period or the period of the barbarian invasions of the 4-6 centuries. In 17-18 centuries this part of the history was rewritten by Scaliger/Petavius& Co.

Also they say that twice during the epidermis in 14 and in 15 centuries greater part of the Europeans especially in the south were eliminated by to save the Horde (Roman) Empire. Later all the lands were inhabited by the Horde people. Horde was a Slav Empire with capitol in Novgorod Veliki but it was multinational.

So most likely both pro-Serbs and pro-Albanians came together from the east. Besides the 1389 battle of Kosovo had nothing to do with Turkey that simply did not existed yet. It was called Blue Horde and obeyed the Golden Horde. Russians reflected in the European history under other names and Constantin the Great you mentioned was Dmitri Donskoy.

http://chronologia.org/xpon7/x7_13_01.html

Horde colonized the whole world so Donskoy had no chance to bring all his troops to the fatal Kulikovo battle. “было у него многое множество и других (войск) , да воевали они далеко, ПОКОРЯЛИ СТРАНЫ В РАЗНЫХ ЧАСТЯХ СВЕТА, и не мог он созвать их вовремя в нужное место...”

http://chronologia.org/reconstr3/5_01.html

Same problems could be in Kosovo Polije when two parts of the same Horde fought each other.

"That was one of the puzzling questions everyone had about Serbia's actions in the Balkans in the 90's"
(a New Day, 19 December 2014 18:42)

Says who? The USA propaganda? This is not 1999 anymore. Europeans have started to learn about what happened in 1999 and about USA's "benefits" from Yugoslavia's dissolution. You have better chances convincing an Asian or an African (especially a Muslim African) about the "war crimes" conducted by Serbia. These days we focus on the war crimes conducted by USA and Muslims against Serbia. The EU is divided by nations, but it's united by race and religion. Multiculturalism may fly in the US, but it does no longer fly in the EU. The rest you see are just politics of our governments against Putin, the Gasfather.

I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?
(sj, 16 December 2014 09:40)

Great that we settled on the Russia/Serbia part. Now, as far as your question about the West/Kosova part, I'm sure that the CE of B92 forums sj will be more than happy to help you with that since it's been him/her talking about relocations of corporations to downtown Pristina, Miscrosoft opening an office there, etc. etc... Unfortunately I can't help with any of that since it was not me mentioning that stuff but the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:17)

Now I have spoken to SJ CE and he said that the question needs answering “how many corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?”
(sj, 17 December 2014 08:05)

Sure, you are more than welcome to answer it since you mentioned corporations relocating to downtown Pristina. I did not claim anything like that... So, not sure if you're asking me to prove your points!

"The other NATO members disagree with you, so that's the end of the story :) "
(icj1, 20 December 2014 19:51)

Actually, we are the vast majority in Europe, this is why we will veto Albania's accession in the EU and this is why we will stop our governments from giving any significant amount of money as financial aid to Albanians in Kosovo. Serbs are Christian Europeans. You are not. End of story :-)

@ boom

I don't think you get it Albo, loving Serbs has nothing to do with nationalism in Greece. In fact, there are some nationalists in Greece who like Albanians and this is why their electoral power is low, because Greeks support Serbs, not Albos.

So all these people here who were saying that you are an Albanian pretending to be Serb were right. I guess you don't need Serbs to shame you. You don't need Serbs to humiliate you. You do that all by yourselves. But then again, you've been doing that in your entire history, so no surprise here.

@ a New day (21 December 2014 03:52)

The citizens of the EU dont support Albanians. We don't want Islamic countries in the EU. We are not willing to be taxed to support the economy of an Islamic country and we definitely take seriously the reports of Europol (Police of the EU), according to which Albania has by far the highest crime rate in Europe. By importing Albanian immigrants we import crime. I'm not from Serbia neither any of my family members. Go to any European forum and ask Europeans (whose countries are member-states of the EU) if they support Albanians. There you will find the answer your looking for. Apart from that, many European (and even Canadian) scholars, journals etc published articles/books/documentaries about the war crimes conducted by Muslims and Americans in Yugoslavia. Examples are "Sorry, Serbia" (Norwegian), The weight of chains (Canadian production), Justice for Yugoslavia (UK), Srebrenicha - A city betrayed (Norwegian Production), all the related work of Peter Handte (Austrian) who was recently awarded with the Ibsen Literary Award and many others which I read/watched in the past but I don't remember the titles right now, sorry. But you can google. We don't live in 1999 anymore, the media propaganda against Serbia is over. Next stop: Albania. Albanians were naïve enough to ask for EU candidacy. So now the EU Press is all over Albania and the more they search, the more we get convinced that our governments made a terrible mistake in 1999.

@andreas
stop peddling your greek nationalistic propaganda here, learn the truth about your country and who you are: an abstract construct of romantic dreams of Otto the Bavarian and a mixture of turks and albanians. You ain't fooling anyone, your lineage is not Socrates and Plato, watch the documentary, inform yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99ze151HvA

NATO membership is a trap for all countries except the US, the UK and Germany.
(alberta, 19 December 2014 02:22)

The other NATO members disagree with you, so that's the end of the story :)

These days we focus on the war crimes conducted by USA and Muslims against Serbia..
(alberta, 20 December 2014 19:46)
By we I am certain you mean you and other Serbs whether they live in Serbia or abandoned the homeland for a better life. Others still know the truth and while there are a few publications that employ Serb writers that give opinion pieces the general view in the industrialized world is still that it is primarily Serbia that is guilty of war crimes during the Balkan wars.

Given that Russia has been a country that has always supported Serbia in hard times for this country, I think it would an act of disloyalty to a friendly country.
(Javier (Madrid, Spain), 15 December 2014 17:58)

Well, it's more like "sometimes" instead of "always". When on June 10, 1999 Serbia pleaded Mr. Lavrov not to raise his hand for approving UNSCR 1244, Mr. Lavrov ignored Serbia's pleadings. Not to mention the reduction of the gas supply in the middle of the winter just a few weeks ago over a dispute for a $200 million bill (peanuts for Russia). That's really the face of a "friendly" country... Russians must be laughing at Serbs who call them "brothers" even after Russia repeatedly spits on Serbia's face. No wonder there is not much respect for Serbia if Serbs don't have some respect for themselves in the first place.

Ooh... how I remember those beautiful NATO generous and fruitful aerial deposits to provided inspiration, warmness and an awesome light show :)

That was true unforgettable happiness!....

I am sure Serbs are also fond of those memorable events.

The Russians will be jumping in joy when Serbia becomes a NATO member!

@kreten

You should match the links against photos of genocide that was done in your name!

NATO

I want to reply to anyone saying that Kosova was stolen. Nobody stole Kosovo from Serbia, because it has been Illyrian, who are predecessors of Albanians . Here is the link about it if you want to read and not watch cartoons on TV shown for a propaganda history.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/283105/Illyria

It existed before you were born as population or before you have been called Serbs. There are even scientific research made by SERBS who ratify this information. I can understand you, but anyway. About the thing that you are talking about, SJ, the computer thing I mean, Kosovo has 89 % internet usage, which means that Internet is spread in every single place in Kosovo, compared to Serbia which has 51.5 % internet usage. It tell a lot, still I am afraid that you are watching cartoons instead of reality. And to finish this debate, Kosovo is an independent country, it wont be united with Albania and any other country. Albanians and Kosovo Albanians, have their allies, thanks to them, I dont want to be in the position one day, our allies to block our gas, or to block anything which would harm our lives, as Russia did to Serbs, for 200 million debt for gas. Actually, if there is a brotherhood, this would not happen. I can understand you all. About the uranium, probably you haven't been to Kosovo, and I am happy that you haven't been here. We do not want Propaganda Virus in Kosovo. Love your Russiand and Greeks "brothers", you fools.

NATO=MURDERERS

O.K. enough is enough. I have to admit I am a frustrated Albanian who lives in Albania, the country of horror and crime. I hate the fact that Albanians in Kosovo introduce themselves as Kosovars and not as Albanians. It was not supposed to be like that, USA promised us that Kosova would become ours. We hate Serbs because after 5 centuries of Islamic occupation they still managed to maintain their religion. In Albania we have Muslims, Catholics and Orthodox because every time a country invaded and occupied us, a big part of our population converted, because we were big cowards and afraid of our invader's anger. I hate it that Putin supports Serbia so much, I hate it. I know that USA used us to build NATO Bases in the Balkans and now that Americans got what they wanted, they don't care anymore. We have no real allies, no one calls us brothers like Russians call Serbs, not even Turkish like us because half of us are not Muslims. I know that we stole Kosova from Serbs but Serbs are so dumb that they might actually let us get away with that. I pray every day to Allah that a bear in Siberia will attack and eat Putin. It's pathetic, I know, but it's our only hope to get Kosova.

There is an Honest News Article by an American Independent Journalist which is Titled: The Demonization of Slobodan Milosevic at http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html .

There is a News Article written by a Honest British Journalist, and it is Titled: Milosevic: true or false at http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/21/tenquestionsonslobodanmilo .

That Honest Article says: "How much do you know about Slobodan Milosevic, the recently deceased former president of Yugoslavia? Here's 10 statements that we've all heard many times in the western media these last seven days. But which of them are true and which are false? 1) Milosevic was a dictator. 2) He was a Serb nationalist. 3) He was responsible for the break-up of Yugoslavia. 4) His 1989 speech at Kosovo Polje was a nationalist rant that inflamed ancient ethnic hatreds. 5) He started four wars. 6) He was responsible for the massacre at Srebrenica 7) He ordered a systematic programme of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. 8) He was toppled by a "democratic revolution" in 2000. 9) The trial at The Hague had produced evidence of his guilt. 10) He will be mourned by "only a few". How many do you think are true? Seven, eight- all of them? The answer is zero. Every single statement is untrue."

There is a News Article written by an Honest Anglo-American Journalist on the cover up of NATO, and it is Titled: The Milosevic trial is a travesty at http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/12/warcrimes.comment .

I truly understand Serbia's bad history with NATO. But let's consider the benefits of membership..... the country will surely become more respected worldwide and DEFINITELY more stable and prosperous.

SJ. If you are telling us that there is no evidence that Illyrians are not the predecessors of Albanians, than you are out of your mind or you are retarded as anyone in Serbia, except Srdjan Spasojevic and Dragoljub Vojnov who actually told the untold for Serbs. Even the language is same. If you are telling us that there is no evidence then I will prove it to you with this.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/v/vickers-serb.html

About the brotherhood with you and Russians, dont want to talk about it because the reality tells a lot.

Read more about Illyrians and Albanians, and when you find facts and conclusions, please come here and we can debate.

Bye from Republic of Kosova.

Belgrade NATO week.

Belgrade have seen many NATO weeks in 1999.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vl8NIboyfms/maxresdefault.jpg

Let's not use any graphic images...
I'll just answer one question they asked back then.

https://i0.wp.com/inserbia.info/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nato-kasetna-serbia.jpg

Yes. I do!
And I don't want to be you (NATO).

Of all the ridiculous aS arguments in favour of NATO this has got to be the worst - NATO and quality of life?!

Read about Gladio and NATOs relations with far-right terrorism in the cold war.

NATO overthrew the Greek government in 1967 and installed a dictatorship. NATO supported every coup against democracy in Turkey.NATO planted bombs in Bologna and Munich killing hundreds of civilians.

The traitors who support NATO in Serbia are human garbage who are spitting on the graves of the children murdered by this US organisation.

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 14:48)

I said that there is no evidence that Illyrians and Albanians are the same people. Yes there were a people called Illyrians but they did not transform into Albanians. Albanians arrived with the Turks.
Had you said that over time after arrival in the Balkans the Albanians intermarried with Thracians or Illyrians I would agree. However, there is no archaeological site that shows a that Albanians are descendents of Illyrians. I think you need to lay off the hooch because the Illyrians left no written records and we don’t know anything about their spoken language. That’s why they are a mystery. The attachment deals more with Serb history than Albanian plus it’s not really proof.
What about Russia and Serbia? The debt business had more to do with Russia and Europe than Russia and Serbia. The Russians have given plenty to Serbia in aid and loans, but what has the west given the Albanians in Kosovo?
Now tell me how many industries has the west relocated to Pristina? I am keen to know.

I think that no one has said at these meetings that if Serbia joins NATO, maybe one day Serb soldiers are destined to fight the Russian army. Given that Russia has been a country that has always supported Serbia in hard times for this country, I think it would an act of disloyalty to a friendly country. Anyway, I think it should be clear that in this matter there are no candid positions. USA and the West have strategic interests of hegemony to desire Serbia join NATO. And remember, even disguising parallel arguments, NATO is primarily a military organization. And there are EU member countries that are not members of NATO and do not seem to have much hurry to enter.

"NATO membership would improve quality of life"

No. NATO membership will improve the quality of death! It's so much better
to be 'collateral damage' from laser guided bombs because they are far more expensive than normal dumb bombs or illegal cluster bombs (that NATO used in 1999) because it shows NATO puts such high 'values' on killing civilians.

If you take the 12/21 Brussels city-Brussels Airport/(Place)Luxemboug-Airport/ bus you pass the NATO monstrosity you see in the picture. The new NATO building is being built across the road by a bulgarian company because it is the cheapest, so expect some really high quality construction, for the plans not to be leaked and for it to be immune to eavesdropping!

Well, it's more like "sometimes" instead of "always". When on June 10, 1999 Serbia pleaded Mr. Lavrov not to raise his hand for approving UNSCR 1244, Mr. Lavrov ignored Serbia's pleadings. Not to mention the reduction of the gas supply in the middle of the winter just a few weeks ago over a dispute for a $200 million bill (peanuts for Russia). That's really the face of a "friendly" country... Russians must be laughing at Serbs who call them "brothers" even after Russia repeatedly spits on Serbia's face. No wonder there is not much respect for Serbia if Serbs don't have some respect for themselves in the first place.
(icj1, 15 December 2014 22:31)
I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova? the question is whether Ablos know what are computer does and maybe that’s problem.
During 1999 NATO threw everything and anything in Kosova and killed anything that moves. Then there is the depleted uranimum in Kosova. Have they cleaned it up yet?

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 10:38)
There is no evidence of a connection to Albanians Illyrians except the ones in your head. The Romans, Turks and Serbs have left bridges, churches, houses, buildings in Kosovo, but Albanians do not have a cave painting and that’s after thousands of years of so called occupation.
Now that you have 89% internet usage in Kosova then why are you and your kind using a Serb-based media site to make comment. Surely there is one based in Pristina? Next thing I expect you to mention that the economy in Kosova is larger than in Serbia, but the thing that fails in this argument is the “official” level of unemployment of 45%.
Here is my question. Since the west loves you so much how many factories/industry have relocated to Kosova??????????? How many?
Kosovo cannot be united with Albania because the EU will NEVER allow the formation of a large Muslim country in Europe. Try it and they will destroy the lot of you.
The $200 million business had nothing to do with Serbia at all but it was politics on a larger scale. Serbia has and always will get gas from Russia.
Yes its called depleted uranium and they used it extensively in Kosovo in 1999. Now how much has been removed????? I hate to tell you but the west would not piss on you Albanians in Kosovo if you were on fire. You will rot there. No jobs and no prospects. Is it any wonder why the young Albanians are leaving Kosovo.

No offence, but Serbia has none of the values mentioned by the personal from NATO. Nor does it belong in an organisation like NATO.

NATO'S membership for Serbia,should be out of the question for foreseeable future.It should be clear to every politician of any political stripe,presently in power or not,NATO bombed not only communist dictator of Serbia at that time,they bombed soul of Serbian Nation, our people, our institutions and our HOLY LAND.No matter what anyone out there may say,Russia never bomb us.It is inconceivable to me that under any circumstances Russia would do to us what NATO did.

SJ.

West gave us our land. Which for you, was tremendously important to settle the refugees that came from Croatia, and it is now your nightmare. As I read many things that you said about Illyrians and Albanians, actually do you know that Albanian language does not have any routes. If you are saying that it comes from Middle East or Antarctica or Mongolia or Samoa or whatever where, you need to prove how can a language such as Albanian be like this. If you want send me your email, I would send you a great book, that also tells about the origin of Serbs, with conclusions.

Here is the link for Albanian Language that belongs to Paleo-Balkanik Languages.

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/general/ie-lg/Albanian.html

Also, The Enciklopedija Jugoslavije tells a lot about Illyrians and they being predecessors of Albanians. If they told that so, than why are you complaining about.

SJ, Ok let us take it more serious, if all of these are opinions, than, can you show me the evidence, that Serbs were before Albanians here, and the Serbs were inhabitants before Albanians in Kosovo. But please, evidences, not opinions. Probably you will find something, just in Yugoslavian libraries or books. But still, there are also Yugoslavian authors who CONCLUDED and GAVE EVIDENCES about the Illyrians being the predecessors of Albanian. His name is Aleksandar Stipcevic. Actually, also he is originally Albanian, but was born in Croatia in Zadar. He has many awards for his research and findings about Illyrians, also from Yugoslavian authorities. Do not think that I want to get into conflict with you, because actually the war time and fights belongs to the past, now evidences will be shown. In the world there are million of scientists and historians, that concluded the issue of Illyria and Illyrians. Now if you find 3 or 4 of them that say there are no evidence, this does not refute the issue. Please let us be constructive on this issue.

(icj1, 15 December 2014 22:31)
I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?
(sj, 16 December 2014 09:40)

Great that we settled on the Russia/Serbia part. Now, as far as your question about the West/Kosova part, I'm sure that the CE of B92 forums sj will be more than happy to help you with that since it's been him/her talking about relocations of corporations to downtown Pristina, Miscrosoft opening an office there, etc. etc... Unfortunately I can't help with any of that since it was not me mentioning that stuff but the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(Skifteri, 17 December 2014 03:40)
There is no direct link. You need evidence. I can claim that Serbs were in the Danube Valley 6000 years ago, but there is no evidence.

Sj and Ida, if it is concluded and facted that Albanians were here in Albania and Kosovo before Serbs, it means that Albanian did not steal anything from you, but you stole their land. As you are saying that Germans and Austrians started to study the existence of the Albanian culture and heritage. Lets take out all these people, why British, American, Armenian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Turkish, Italian, Spanish, Egyptian, Israeli and Arab scientists say that Illyrians are predecessors of Albanians. I mean, come on, these people are not crazy. Do you know that actually there is a scientist in Greece, who gave all his life to study Albanian and Illyrian Heritage. Do you know what happened? Actually he found many evidences about the Illyrian and Albanian heritage. And as he was saying, he found out that Armenian and Albanian language are the FIRST indo-european language in this earth. He found out that if Albanians would not assimilate, they would have their own letters, not Latin letters. There are many evidences my friends, but if you do not want to read about those, it is your problem. But it is not fair, to claim something which is non-existent.
Again as I am saying there is a video which tells BY FACTS the language heritage made by businessinsider and you can watch it if you like.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/map-how-indo-european-languages-evolved-2014-12

Have a nice day.

Have a nice day.
(Kosovar Albanian, 17 December 2014 09:47)
Yes Illyrians were people that lived before the Albanians arrived in the region just as Thracians were people that lived in that part of Serbia before the Serbs arrived. However, this does not make the Thracians Serbs just as Constantine the Great was not a Serb despite being born in Nis.
All this you claim is not evidence at all. Especially the display about languages. Dr Quentin Atkinson group claims it all started in Turkey then you have Dr David Anthony who said he found Dr Atkinson’s language tree of Indo-European implausible in several details. They are only theories not fact.
The Illyrians had no written language so how can you compare Albanian and Illyrian languages to conclude they are the same people????
You claim that Albanians have been there for thousands of years and yet there is nothing in Kosovo. Roman ruins exist, Turks built things and so did the Serbs, but not even a foot bridge that can be claimed as Albanian and to top it off you have Albanians now claiming that Serb Churches and monasteries were built by Albanians and the Serbs stole them.

Stop the BS about who was here first. It does not matter. What really matters is that NATO membership will improve the quality of life in Serbia :).

nobody cares for american lies an propaganda no more....

I dont see how our daily life can be improved by joining NATO other than being part of the trend.
I dont see any military threats to our country either. Instead we should put all our energy into improving our regional economic ties and joining EU, this will improve our daily life for sure.

Hahaha joining NATO will improve the quality of life of Serbs, I didn't know consuming depleted uranium was a health benefit. Where did those scientific results come from? Dr Yamak from the University of Kazakhstan in the movie Borat?

However I wouldn't be surprised if Serbia joined NATO, Russia has left us to die like roadkill.

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 23:56)
I trust nothing written by “Yugoslavian authorities” because they were only there to praise Tito and tell the people that without him WW2 would have been lost and the sun would never come out the next morning. The vast majority of these books were written to prove the Party’s policy.
As a friend said once, most of the material in Yugoslav library books is not worth the paper it’s written on.
In academia you have people that research material and write a thesis based on that information and draw a conclusion, but they are only theories. It is archaeological digs that prove them. Once again, there is no such evidence.

"They'd learn to love Greece and Serbia"

LOL.

As someone who has Greek roots, I can surely confirm that is a lie. Not sure where Mina is getting these informations from.

Perhaps if she or he is a Golden Dawnist, shed know that GD in 1980s was on a rampage of the Greek-Albanian Brotherhood.

Likewise, no one really can be a citizen of Greece nowadays unless you were born from a Greek parent and not much bother to try to become one anyways.

Greeks only like Serbia for 2 main things, to get back at their neighbours and religious affiliations. That's the summary. If some ultra nationalist Greeks had their way Albanians, who are closely linked to Greeks in so many aspects that neither an Albanian, Greek or Serb who are Slav can deny, would be in a Hellenic Republic and vice versa for the Albanian nationalists.

Anyways, why are some people so off topic here? I am just thankful I am not a Slav nor a Turk...

As for NATO. Serbia doesn't hold NATO values [take this as you please, good or bad]. It shouldn't be apart of EU either.

Ciao.

Stop the BS about who was here first. It does not matter. What really matters is that NATO membership will improve the quality of life in Serbia :).
(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:39)

Does killing babies improve anyone's life? 'Cause this is what NATO did in Iraq and Afghanistan. You will become USA's dogs. You will have to send your Special Forces men in every war USA decides to start and all you'll get for return will be a promise that if anyone hurts your country, NATO will defend you. But who is going to defend you from NATO? Or do you honestly believe that NATO will be your real friend and ally? NATO membership is a trap for all countries except the US, the UK and Germany.

Belgrade NATO week? Serbia got around 11 of those back in 1999.
Perhaps accession to this organization that engages in illegal wars should be put to vote by the people of Serbia.

(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 17:08)
You need archaeological evidence. Everything else is an opinion. All the text you quote is someone’s academic work based on previous work and then a conclusion is drawn, they are only theories and you need hard evidence. You can’t draw conclusions on Albanians today and Illyrians of 5000 years ago because the Illyrians did not have a written language.
As I said before had you stated that Albanians intermixed with Thracians and Illyrians then yes that would be correct, but not what your claiming.

sj, Thracians did NOT mix with Albanians, man. And it will take a long, long, looong time before Greeks of ANY State including Thrace will mix with Albanians in the future :-)
Why do you think Greeks support Albania's EU candidacy? If it was up to us, they would be a member-state already. The best way for us to stop having Albanian immigrants here whining for Greek citizenship is by helping them join the EU. Not that all of them have any luck getting the citizenship, but some of them do. Though for us it's quite amusing to see male Albanians getting the citizenship. See, as "Greeks" they have to serve the Greek Army for 1 year, where they learn among other things that there are only two countries they have to love, one is Greece and one is Serbia. God is a troll. A mega troll ;-)

@ sj

The Evidance of Illrian existence on ballkan peninsula would be the Albanian people, not infrastructure/documents.

They had no system of writing to pass down their language on hard copies.

Albanian alphabet developed very late compared to the rest of their neighbours in the Balkan.

Therefore in history, Albanians and Illyrians are mentioned in foreign documentation.

SJ, Ok let us take it more serious, if all of these are opinions, than, can you show me the evidence, that Serbs were before Albanians here, and the Serbs were inhabitants before Albanians in Kosovo. But please, evidences, not opinions. Probably you will find something, just in Yugoslavian libraries or books. But still, there are also Yugoslavian authors who CONCLUDED and GAVE EVIDENCES about the Illyrians being the predecessors of Albanian. His name is Aleksandar Stipcevic. Actually, also he is originally Albanian, but was born in Croatia in Zadar. He has many awards for his research and findings about Illyrians, also from Yugoslavian authorities. Do not think that I want to get into conflict with you, because actually the war time and fights belongs to the past, now evidences will be shown. In the world there are million of scientists and historians, that concluded the issue of Illyria and Illyrians. Now if you find 3 or 4 of them that say there are no evidence, this does not refute the issue. Please let us be constructive on this issue.
(Kosovar Albanian, 16 December 2014 23:56)

Sorry, but what would be the purpose of this exercise?! Whether Illyrians, Albanians or Serbs were before each other in Kosovo, they still were not the first form of life that inhabited Kosovo. So, say, Albanians where there before the Serbs, and then what?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:17)

Now I have spoken to SJ CE and he said that the question needs answering “how many corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?”

@ LOL

You don't even put an effort to pretend successfully that you are Greek. But it's quite offensive for me as a Greek to see Albanians pretending to be Greeks or of Greek origins. If you had Greek origins you would know that her nick name is a girly one. I guess when it comes to Greek names and nick names your knowledge is zero. If you (or your brother(s), father etc) spent 12 months in the Greek Army you would know that Albanian nationals with Greek citizenship or Greek Muslims of Turkish origins don't have exactly the time of their lives there, since the Army makes absolutely clear that Cyprus and Serbia are the countries we care about and Turkey and Albania are the countries we are willing to fight. And FYI, not only nationalists in Greece are Orthodox. Not only nationalists in Greece serve in the Army. Not only nationalists in Greece sent money, food, clothes, medication to Serbia during the Yugoslav war. It was not the Greek nationalists who went to Serbia for humanitarian aid, I participated myself in 1999 and my vote is far away from the nationalistic party in Greece. All Greeks supported and support Serbia. And definitely not only nationalists in Greece wish that all Albanians like yourself leave Greece permanently and migrate somewhere else. About the "Greek-Albanian brotherhood" you mention, go to Athens, pick a crowded street and shout about this "brotherhood". In less than 2 minutes you will have your answer.

Like it did in 99. Get real, and get these people out of Serbia.

(Yet Another J S, 15 December 2014 19:27)
Just goes to show that people choose to consider those things that support their personal agendas as "honest" whether they are factual or not.
If you notice in the article it simply denies what others say but offers no proof.

First off, "Kosovo" is a Serbian word - and Serbs are the ones first connected with it. In the history of the Byzantine Empire there are mentions of Serbs in Pristina and Prizren in the 11th century: Serbian royalty, rulers, soldiers, etc.

As for the Albanian from Zadar: it is know that Venice brought Albanians into the Dalmatia and coastal area to fight the Uskoks. The Uskoks were refugees who were forced to be pirates since they had been driven from their lands into the rocky coastal areas. The Uskoks were ingenious at building special ships which they used to pirate the Venice and other ships.

So Albanians were brought to fight them. And the Uskoks seem to be mainly Serb or Croat origins.

The fact is that most all the toponyms in Kosovo are Serbian or "Slavic" and there are also many of these in northern Albania.

As for the claim that Albanians were Illyrians - that was only started by the Austrians and Germans AFTER the Austrians had long referred to Serbs as Illyrians.

And in any event, the Illyrians seemed to have been cleansed or enslaved by the Romans. There is no real history of a huge migrations of Slavs coming in and killing the inhabitants.

When Serbs were first mentioned in the areas, they were already settled in villages: they were already in large numbers.
Serbs would be the same people who were living there, but under different names.

LOL, one of the billion reasons I'm not a GD supporter (or a nationalists in general) is that GD supports Albanians. About your Greek roots, this means nothing to me with respect to your reliability and your "knowledge" about Greece. Were you born and raised in Greece? Do you speak Greek? Are your parents and grandparents Greeks? Have you served in the Greek Army? Do you have Albanian neighbors with Greek citizenship? Because I have some. Did you attend a Greek school? because if you have, you'd know how Greeks feel about Serbs. Were you in Greece in 1991-1999 to see ALL Greeks including leftists and communists helping Serbs? If yes, you'd know that nationalism has nothing to do with the Greek-Serbian friendship. Did your parents talk to you about our brothers, Serbs, when you were 5? Because this is what Greek families do and my family is not even a right-wing. You don't have Greek roots, you have Albanian roots. If you were a real Greek you wouldn't say "thank God I'm not Turk or Slav", you'd say thank God I'm not Turk or ALBANIAN. Sooo you are Albanian. And for your information, have no illusions: No one likes Albanians in Greece. Not the leftists, not the communists not the liberals. It's just that some people tolerate you and some people don't.

NATO membership is a trap for all countries except the US, the UK and Germany.
(alberta, 19 December 2014 02:22)

The other NATO members disagree with you, so that's the end of the story :)

Sj
Kosovar Albanian

New Chronology explains things much better. They prove that during for 300 years in 13-16 centuries Europe was a colony of the Horde. It was reflected in history as Migration Period or the period of the barbarian invasions of the 4-6 centuries. In 17-18 centuries this part of the history was rewritten by Scaliger/Petavius& Co.

Also they say that twice during the epidermis in 14 and in 15 centuries greater part of the Europeans especially in the south were eliminated by to save the Horde (Roman) Empire. Later all the lands were inhabited by the Horde people. Horde was a Slav Empire with capitol in Novgorod Veliki but it was multinational.

So most likely both pro-Serbs and pro-Albanians came together from the east. Besides the 1389 battle of Kosovo had nothing to do with Turkey that simply did not existed yet. It was called Blue Horde and obeyed the Golden Horde. Russians reflected in the European history under other names and Constantin the Great you mentioned was Dmitri Donskoy.

http://chronologia.org/xpon7/x7_13_01.html

Horde colonized the whole world so Donskoy had no chance to bring all his troops to the fatal Kulikovo battle. “было у него многое множество и других (войск) , да воевали они далеко, ПОКОРЯЛИ СТРАНЫ В РАЗНЫХ ЧАСТЯХ СВЕТА, и не мог он созвать их вовремя в нужное место...”

http://chronologia.org/reconstr3/5_01.html

Same problems could be in Kosovo Polije when two parts of the same Horde fought each other.

Does killing babies improve anyone's life?
(alberta, 19 December 2014 02:22)
That was one of the puzzling questions everyone had about Serbia's actions in the Balkans in the 90's

@andreas
stop peddling your greek nationalistic propaganda here, learn the truth about your country and who you are: an abstract construct of romantic dreams of Otto the Bavarian and a mixture of turks and albanians. You ain't fooling anyone, your lineage is not Socrates and Plato, watch the documentary, inform yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99ze151HvA

I see CTC that see Russia as failing Serbia. Well what has the west done for your little Albos in Kosova? Come on please tell us all here the corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?
(sj, 16 December 2014 09:40)

Great that we settled on the Russia/Serbia part. Now, as far as your question about the West/Kosova part, I'm sure that the CE of B92 forums sj will be more than happy to help you with that since it's been him/her talking about relocations of corporations to downtown Pristina, Miscrosoft opening an office there, etc. etc... Unfortunately I can't help with any of that since it was not me mentioning that stuff but the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:17)

Now I have spoken to SJ CE and he said that the question needs answering “how many corporations that have relocated to downtown Prisitna? Or maybe when will Microsoft open its major Balkan office in Kosova?”
(sj, 17 December 2014 08:05)

Sure, you are more than welcome to answer it since you mentioned corporations relocating to downtown Pristina. I did not claim anything like that... So, not sure if you're asking me to prove your points!

These days we focus on the war crimes conducted by USA and Muslims against Serbia..
(alberta, 20 December 2014 19:46)
By we I am certain you mean you and other Serbs whether they live in Serbia or abandoned the homeland for a better life. Others still know the truth and while there are a few publications that employ Serb writers that give opinion pieces the general view in the industrialized world is still that it is primarily Serbia that is guilty of war crimes during the Balkan wars.

NATO membership means big increase of the military spending. Ask the Poles or the Czechs how many hundreds of mullions dollars they had to spent to rearm their armies, to train the personnel ect. After that you can say if you are to afford such a pleasure. Only then the political , economic and moral aspects will arise.

"That was one of the puzzling questions everyone had about Serbia's actions in the Balkans in the 90's"
(a New Day, 19 December 2014 18:42)

Says who? The USA propaganda? This is not 1999 anymore. Europeans have started to learn about what happened in 1999 and about USA's "benefits" from Yugoslavia's dissolution. You have better chances convincing an Asian or an African (especially a Muslim African) about the "war crimes" conducted by Serbia. These days we focus on the war crimes conducted by USA and Muslims against Serbia. The EU is divided by nations, but it's united by race and religion. Multiculturalism may fly in the US, but it does no longer fly in the EU. The rest you see are just politics of our governments against Putin, the Gasfather.

"The other NATO members disagree with you, so that's the end of the story :) "
(icj1, 20 December 2014 19:51)

Actually, we are the vast majority in Europe, this is why we will veto Albania's accession in the EU and this is why we will stop our governments from giving any significant amount of money as financial aid to Albanians in Kosovo. Serbs are Christian Europeans. You are not. End of story :-)

@ boom

I don't think you get it Albo, loving Serbs has nothing to do with nationalism in Greece. In fact, there are some nationalists in Greece who like Albanians and this is why their electoral power is low, because Greeks support Serbs, not Albos.

So all these people here who were saying that you are an Albanian pretending to be Serb were right. I guess you don't need Serbs to shame you. You don't need Serbs to humiliate you. You do that all by yourselves. But then again, you've been doing that in your entire history, so no surprise here.

@ a New day (21 December 2014 03:52)

The citizens of the EU dont support Albanians. We don't want Islamic countries in the EU. We are not willing to be taxed to support the economy of an Islamic country and we definitely take seriously the reports of Europol (Police of the EU), according to which Albania has by far the highest crime rate in Europe. By importing Albanian immigrants we import crime. I'm not from Serbia neither any of my family members. Go to any European forum and ask Europeans (whose countries are member-states of the EU) if they support Albanians. There you will find the answer your looking for. Apart from that, many European (and even Canadian) scholars, journals etc published articles/books/documentaries about the war crimes conducted by Muslims and Americans in Yugoslavia. Examples are "Sorry, Serbia" (Norwegian), The weight of chains (Canadian production), Justice for Yugoslavia (UK), Srebrenicha - A city betrayed (Norwegian Production), all the related work of Peter Handte (Austrian) who was recently awarded with the Ibsen Literary Award and many others which I read/watched in the past but I don't remember the titles right now, sorry. But you can google. We don't live in 1999 anymore, the media propaganda against Serbia is over. Next stop: Albania. Albanians were naïve enough to ask for EU candidacy. So now the EU Press is all over Albania and the more they search, the more we get convinced that our governments made a terrible mistake in 1999.