U.S. needs its own "perestroika", says Gorbachev

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?

How true that statement is.

our arguments rarely make sense. Aren't you the one who's brainwashed?
(cry me a river, 15 December 2014 17:46)

Most of the Albanian posters don't have the intelligence to put 2 + 2 together and come up with 4. All they know to do is start replying to a posting with "HAHAHA" and finish with LOL.As to my arguments my only agenda is to inform and educate people with half brain on the propaganda that is emanating from the west and expose the crimes they are committing all over the world.Here is a list of the crimes the USA/Nato has committed since the end of World War II.
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya 2011.

The U.S. "uses tensions and instability to intervene into a conflict, then creates an enemy to enable their 'policy of pressure' and shift responsibility," he said.

Very true.Hardly a week goes by when they aren't torturing or killing people somewhere with their fighter planes, drones, special forces, combat troops, tanks, helicopters and since they are naturally cowards they've never admit responsibility to their actions.They arm one side against the other, today's allies are tomorrows enemies. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, many children have died and are still dying.War has always been a racket. It is the oldest, the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

Maybe some people in the west are still interested in what this man saying or doing but in his own country Gorby cannot walk without his guards even 500 meters along any street in any town not being killed. I personally believe he is second after Yeltsin to be blamed for the fall of the USSR. As a result we have a misbalanced world with many Viet Nams and no seen ways out.

"The U.S. needs an enemy in order to return to their old policy of pressure. They can’t live without it. They are still enslaved by their old policy."

While Russia needs to create external conflicts and boost nationalism for suppressing the opposition by calling them 'Anti-russian' and draw attention away from the economical and social failure and lack of progress in the Russian society. There have been no reforms in the last decade, only arresting and eliminating oligarchs who don't support Putin by replacing them with loyal oligarchs.

(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41) Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...

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For those that never learn, please note that the fall of Russia is dependent on the Americans fighting to the last Ukrainian (then croat, then INSERT NATO COLONIAL national) and what ever brainless slave infantry marches blindly to NATO war drums.

If Russia falls, it will be interested to see what else is actually left standing in icj1's utopia.

You belittle Albanians and you list conflicts that the US has been involved in as proof of crimes. So is any military intervention automatically a crime in your eyes or just because it was the US makes it a crime in your eyes?
Most who use bigotry as their foundation do so only to try and shield from their own insecurities and inadequacies.
(a New Day, 16 December 2014 03:01)

You’ve elevated the phrase “ talking through your backside” to a new level.Where have you been all these years?The biggest menace to the international community since world war II is the United States of America. No other country can come close to the number of kills/murder of innocent civilians as the USA.If I were you I'd be utterly ashamed to try to disguise US invasions of sovereign nations as " conflicts".Since posting space is in short supply I will just mention the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq in which 4 people perished in the former and 1.5 in the latter not to mention the fact that both countries were bombed with orange agents and phosphorous munitions into stone age.May I suggest to you to do some reading and you may discover your humanity.

I personally believe he is second after Yeltsin to be blamed for the fall of the USSR.
(capo di tutti capi, 15 December 2014 10:16)

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...

Why is it beneficial for the West that the price of oil has fallen to multiyear lows whereas it is a disaster for Russia and her few allies..
(The Count of Kosova, 16 December 2014 00:48)
This is an example of simplistic nonsense that one can only laugh at. Firstly when the price of oil started to fall it was claimed that the US was manipulating the market to hurt Russia, but it emerges Saudi Arabia is pumping oil to flood the market and cause the price to fall and it has nothing to do with Russia. It seems that the Saudi’s want to bankrupt the US shale oil companies.
Last Friday’s stock market report on CNN was interesting. It stated that while cheap oil was good for the ordinary consumer it was very bad for the world economy which is causing it to go into a recession.
Japan announced 3 weeks ago it was in recession. Australia will go into a recession in 2015. The EU needs a little push and the entire union is down. If they go into a recession the US is next, as if it left the last one LOL.
Brussels is already looking at further cuts to its 2015 budget and that will flow on to Kosovo, so Count tighten your belt because its going to get a whole lot worse.
See how BS has a very short life span.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.



(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...

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icj1, you forecast Russia's"fall". Russia has long history that preceded and succeeded the Soviet Union. In contrast to your baseless assertions, most Russians do not foresee a fall. icj1, please do enlighten us with your prophetic prowess about Russia, as you are the one claiming they will "fall".
Please define what you mean by "fall" and specify the precise learnings for Russians in order for them avoid this "fall" of yours.

Cry,Icj et al. What a proliferation of mumbo-jumbo coming from your keyboards. Whenever I need to read something ridiculously funny I bathe in the warmth of your hilarious postings. You make historical revisionism amusing. Congratulations on the latest batch of banality on this topic.

Thanks mate for the contribution without any arguments. I do indeed sympathize and understand that you have run out of arguments after you became a certified liar in these forums. It appears that once you take out the lies, you can't provide any other arguments :)
(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:03)

You're of course one of those pusillanimous posters bordering to cowardice and failing to recognise their posting nonsense.The article is about Gorbachev's comments on the US and I've dealt with it.Your correlation to the article is your total abstinence from commenting on it but your eagerness to criticise anybody else who does.You end up with the usual nonsensical prediction of Russia's collapse but as always you ignore the factors which will prevent such an invent to take place.Firstly, Russia is a CREDITOR nation, secondly they've got unlimited energy supplies and thirdly are the Russian people themselves (they will never surrender to Western fascists).

Interesting idea.

However, sadly, since the advent of President for Life Vladimir Putin, it seems that Russia will soon have to reprocess its own system.

Maybe both sides should get together to discuss it.

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?
(Leonidas,

Leonidas,
Perhaps it's you who needs sympathy, understanding and help. You're constantly and blindly defending Christian Orthodox countries, such as Greece, Serbia and Russia' regardless of their position and blaming the others.
Your arguments rarely make sense. Aren't you the one who's brainwashed?

That American model is called Pax Americana and it is used as rinse and repeat. They can do that as long as dollar is king. And they need to do that to keep dollar king. That is why they go after anyone (Khadaffi, Sadam Hussein) or anything (Euro, Russia, China) that challenges that.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) By fall I mean the economy collapsing -
And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value

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The Canadian dollar (also a petro currency) has recently lost approx 30% of its value relative to the US dollar. By your (il)logic has Canada also "fallen"?
By which criteria do you identify the countries that fall from those that stand? Economies go through cycles, which in some cases may be associated to the price of commodities. Are you claiming that countries generally do not withstand economic cycles? Or perhaps you claim that most do and you only wish that Russia does not? Please clarify your confusing and unsubstantiated thesis and please base your arguments on facts rather than apparent Russo-phobic wishes.

Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.

@ Leonidas:
Here is a list of the crimes the USA/Nato has committed since the end of World War II.
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
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Libya 2011

Leo,
All you've done is list a bunch of countries followed by dates. Is this supposed to be some kind of brilliant argument. What are the crimes! Time for you to go back to work at the souvlaki restaurant and wash the dishes.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts

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Many readers would disagree with you and counter that in the US, China and Russia the military industrial complexes and their respective economies are tightly linked. Naive to separate the two particularly in nations with large military budgets.

But you seem more concerned with post scripting us about some phantom CE, instead of providing rational fact based arguments.

(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20) No, they only fight terrorists and ethnic separatists who think they can declare an own state on Ukrainian soil -

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Wrong. The population of Donbass and Luhansk were rightfully expecting to live under the government they elected and which was violently and illegitimately overthrown (with US support and backing). The population of Donbass, Luhansk and former Ukrainian Crimea justifiably consider the right wing fanatics in Kiev terrorists.


(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20)just like Russia did in Chechnya
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Well let's examine some details: Did Russia ever ban the Chechen language?


(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20)things that happen in Ukraine are like kindergarten.
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Indeed. The Kiev right wing fanatical militias do target Russian kindergatens in the Donbass and kill innocent Russian children.

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Meanwhile in Russia: [link]

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Please. "Business insider" is nowhere near and can not even be considered to be "in" Russia.

Is it a coincidence that both the Russian ruble and Serbian dinar have dropped to dangerously low levels this year?
Or, is it the case of the blind leading the idiots. The same can be said about the Greek and Russian stock markets.
Why is it beneficial for the West that the price of oil has fallen to multiyear lows whereas it is a disaster for Russia and her few allies. Do we see anything in common between Russia, Serbia and Greece.

(Leonidas, 15 December 2014 19:47)
You belittle Albanians and you list conflicts that the US has been involved in as proof of crimes. So is any military intervention automatically a crime in your eyes or just because it was the US makes it a crime in your eyes?
Most who use bigotry as their foundation do so only to try and shield from their own insecurities and inadequacies.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him..

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Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities. The population in Russia are supporting the struggle of an ethnic minority, whose language, schools, hospitals and ultimate existence is under real threat. Many Russians believe that Putin should intervene with overwhelming force to save the lives ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

You asked what I believe: I believe that if the US (and Victoria F-the-EU Nuland) hadn't forced the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government, more than 4000 lives would not have been unnecessarily sacrificed. I believe that Ukrainian right wing fanatics whose platform is to ban other languages and kill minorities should face the same fate as their Nazi predecessors.

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Speak for your self AY.

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I do speak for myself. I indicated that the term CE means nothing to me or other readers. Perhaps you may wish to acquaint yourself with logical operators and the difference between "or" vs "and".

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Speak for your self AY.

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Perhaps both you and icj1 should follow your own advice and stop speaking for sj?

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Even if Ukraine's government was violently overthrown, that did not give the right to Russian mercenaries and soldiers "on leave" to cause the 4000 lives lost.
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The Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk refuse to recognize the illegitimate and unelected terrorists in Kiev. The right wing fanatical militias sent from Kiev attacked this Russian minority and caused most of the innocent and civilian deaths.

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:22) you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy...

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Historical fact: Russian war economy and superiority in tank number defeated Nazi Germany.

Remove defense spending and procurement from the US budget and then tell us how well the US economy will develop.

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?
(Leonidas, 15 December 2014 15:01)

Thanks mate for the contribution without any arguments. I do indeed sympathize and understand that you have run out of arguments after you became a certified liar in these forums. It appears that once you take out the lies, you can't provide any other arguments :)

For those that never learn, please note that the fall of Russia is dependent on the Americans fighting to the last Ukrainian (then croat, then INSERT NATO COLONIAL national) and what ever brainless slave infantry marches blindly to NATO war drums.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 December 2014 21:20)

There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia; Russians can fight themselves pretty well (despite them blaming everybody else, except themselves for their ills). No shots needed to be fired for the USSR to collapse :)
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If Russia falls, it will be interested to see what else is actually left standing in icj1's utopia.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 December 2014 21:20)

Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...

icj1, please do enlighten us with your prophetic prowess about Russia, as you are the one claiming they will "fall". Please define what you mean by "fall" and specify the precise learnings for Russians in order for them avoid this "fall" of yours.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

By fall I mean the economy collapsing - but rest assured, nobody is going to occupy Russia :)

And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value in a few hrs today and inflation heading for the double digit. The CE of B92 forums sj declared the US as collapsed for stuff much milder than that.

Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts and unfortunately, the economy can't be controlled with orders from the Kremlin.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Firstly when the price of oil started to fall it was claimed that the US was manipulating the market to hurt Russia
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Yeah, by people who fantasize a lot about conspiracy theories :)
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but it emerges Saudi Arabia is pumping oil to flood the market and cause the price to fall and it has nothing to do with Russia. It seems that the Saudi’s want to bankrupt the US shale oil companies.
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Oh, you finally caught up with that?!
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Japan announced 3 weeks ago it was in recession. Australia will go into a recession in 2015. The EU needs a little push and the entire union is down. If they go into a recession the US is next, as if it left the last one LOL.
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Reading the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, I thought that the US had already collapsed!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

I believe that if the US (and Victoria F-the-EU Nuland) hadn't forced the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

You may believe whatever you want, it does not make it true. Nobody violently overthrew of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government. Do you have the date when that happened? Plus you are implying here that the US is so omnipotent to overthrow Ukraine's government! That can't be correct since it goes totally against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.
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more than 4000 lives would not have been unnecessarily sacrificed.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Even if Ukraine's government was violently overthrown, that did not give the right to Russian mercenaries and soldiers "on leave" to cause the 4000 lives lost.
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I believe that Ukrainian right wing fanatics whose platform is to ban other languages and kill minorities should face the same fate as their Nazi predecessors.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

A belief out of thin air. Where is this platform which goal is to kill minorities?! This is reminiscent to some Serbs in Bosnia who committed genocide against Muslims there because allegendly the Muslims wanted to commit genocide against Serbs. So those who hypothetically wanted to commit genocide were the ones at fault, and not those who actually committed genocide.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Perhaps both you and icj1 should follow your own advice and stop speaking for sj?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 17:40)

Just a small correction... I never speak FOR the CE of B92 forums sj. I only QUOTE his/her teachings because they are so valuable and insightful. As you may have noticed, there is not a single instance so far where the CE of B92 forums sj has told me that my quotation of his/her teachings was incorrect.

I do hope though that you don't have anything against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Where is this platform which goal is to kill minorities?!

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The platform is evident from the battle plan. The Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk do not recognize the illegitimate right wing fanatics that have seized power in Kiev. Armed right wing fanatics have be sent by the regime in Kiev to shoot and kill this minority. Killing children in school yards. Innocent people in their yards and homes. If it is not a platform, then please tell the right wing Kiev fanatics to stop firing bullets, mortars and other munitions at the indigenous Russian minority population.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) By fall I mean the economy collapsing.

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These are two very different terms and phrases. In historical lexicon the word `fall` has been used to refer to an irreversible event such as `The fall of the Roman Empire`.
In contrast, economies recede, decline, collapse and recover in a cyclical and reversible manner.

Perhaps your irrational sj/CE obsession has impacted your cognitive capacity.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Ok, so again what does that have to do anything with what I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there.

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The intention of the right wing fanatical militias sent by the terrorists in Kiev (and supported by the US) is to shoot and kill the Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk.

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Plus you are implying here that the US is so omnipotent to overthrow Ukraine's government! That can't be correct since it goes totally against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.
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Since you claim to only QUOTE sj, please provide the precise sj QUOTE regarding Ukraine and the US to substantiate your blather.

Why is it that Russians, lately, are out frantically shopping for big ticket items? It is certainly not because Christmas is approaching. Is it because they see their rubles being devalued daily, shades of 1998, perhaps. Russians are out buying expensive home appliances and other items because they know that in a month or two the price will double, given the rate at which the ruble is currently sinking. By next year at this time it will take a wheelbarrow full of rubles in order to buy a loaf of bread.
Putin, I'm sure, is having some sleepless nights. I don't blame him one bit, a hungry populace will take extreme measures to feed their families. Just look at what happened to other dictators in the past few years.

"Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities. "
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

No, they only fight terrorists and ethnic separatists who think they can declare an own state on Ukrainian soil - just like Russia did in Chechnya with the ethnic separatist there who wanted to establish a Muslim state on Russian soil. And compared to the total destruction and extermination of, for example, Grosny by Russian army, things that happen in Ukraine are like kindergarten.

Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Speak for your self AY. I love the term CE at the end of every post of icj1. It reminds me of stories like when sj received 20 Euros in 1994 by Western secret services to participate in anti-Milosevic protests. Or the US being "piss and wind" and similar things :).

Meanwhile in Russia: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-will-happen-to-russias-economy-2014-12

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him...
(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09)

Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Ok, so again what does that have to do anything with what I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there.
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Many Russians believe that Putin should intervene with overwhelming force to save the lives ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Yes, many, but not the majority because obviously most people don't want their family members to die for nothing. And again what does that have to do with what I said?! Do you need so badly to create an enemy that wants to fight Russia?

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him...
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(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...
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icj1, you forecast Russia's"fall". Russia has long history that preceded and succeeded the Soviet Union.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

I did not say that Russia does not have a long history! Where did you see that?!
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In contrast to your baseless assertions, most Russians do not foresee a fall.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

That's why they rushed to dump RUB for EUR/USD when they could?!

(icj1) By fall I mean the economy collapsing - And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value
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The Canadian dollar (also a petro currency) has recently lost approx 30% of its value relative to the US dollar. By your (il)logic has Canada also "fallen"?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Of course, if Canada's currency were to fall 30% in a few hrs, but it has not. Btw, you forgot the "few hrs" part in quoting me - as usual you need to distort quotations to be able to make any argument lol
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Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Then don't read them!
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(icj1) Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts
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Many readers would disagree with you and counter that in the US, China and Russia the military industrial complexes and their respective economies are tightly linked. Naive to separate the two particularly in nations with large military budgets.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 02:04)

You are just proving my point. The fact that they are linked means that it's the economy that counts. Without the economy, the military can't do much. You need the economy to make tanks; but you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy...

Historical fact: Russian war economy and superiority in tank number defeated Nazi Germany.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:50)

You're missing the point. The tanks and the war economy are important to defeat the enemy. But you need the rest of the economic insfrastructure to produce the tanks and other military hardware. For example, during WW2 the Soviet Union produced by itself about 340000 trucks whereas the US supplied itwith more than 500000 trucks (+ thusands of tanks and aircrafts). That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated because its economic development was no match for Nazi Germany's economy due to comrade Stalin's economic adventures in the 15 preceeding years.
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Remove defense spending and procurement from the US budget and then tell us how well the US economy will develop.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:50)

Well, if the US does not have the other sectors of the economy to support the defense spending, it will have to reduce it. But anyway that has nothing to do with what I stated that you need the economy to make tanks; but you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy. If you did not understand it, let me make it more clear. A tank is the output of economic capacity; it is not an economic input like land, labour and capital.

Since you claim to only QUOTE sj, please provide the precise sj QUOTE regarding Ukraine and the US to substantiate your blather.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:40)

Aren't you aware that the CE of B92 forums sj has already declared that the US has collapsed/run out of cash?!
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The intention of the right wing fanatical militias sent by the terrorists in Kiev (and supported by the US) is to shoot and kill the Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 06:17)

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there. So, what's your point?! You don't trust what the Kremlin says?
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Perhaps your irrational sj/CE obsession has impacted your cognitive capacity.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 06:07)

Why, you don't trust the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj whom I quote?!
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The platform is evident from the battle plan.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 05:42)

Ok, so where is the battle plan which says what you say so that we can see it directly instead of relying on your interpretation of it?

The Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk refuse to recognize the illegitimate and unelected terrorists in Kiev. The right wing fanatical militias sent from Kiev attacked this Russian minority and caused most of the innocent and civilian deaths.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 05:29)

Who told you that? The international community, Russia included, does recognize Kiev's government as legitimate and your have provided no credible evidence that the Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk disagree with Russia and the international community on that point.

(icj1, 21 December 2014 17:40) That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated
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Laughable. Complete fantasy and propaganda. icj1, you may wish to learn and educate yourself about the decisive battles on the Russian front in 1941 and 1942.

(icj1, 21 December 2014 17:40) That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated
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Laughable. Complete fantasy and propaganda. icj1, you may wish to learn and educate yourself about the decisive battles on the Russian front in 1941 and 1942.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 22 December 2014 17:35)

Again, are confused mate.... Nobody is denying that the Russian front was the most decisive in WW2. The thing is that the majority of trucks that supported the Russian front with food, supplies, military hardware, etc were provided by the US because the Soviet Union did not have the economic capacity to produce enough of them. Regardless of how heroic soldiers are or how laughable that may be, an empty stomach never wins... it's a law of nature :)

So, that goes back to that famous saying... It's the economy, stupid

"The U.S. needs an enemy in order to return to their old policy of pressure. They can’t live without it. They are still enslaved by their old policy."

While Russia needs to create external conflicts and boost nationalism for suppressing the opposition by calling them 'Anti-russian' and draw attention away from the economical and social failure and lack of progress in the Russian society. There have been no reforms in the last decade, only arresting and eliminating oligarchs who don't support Putin by replacing them with loyal oligarchs.

I personally believe he is second after Yeltsin to be blamed for the fall of the USSR.
(capo di tutti capi, 15 December 2014 10:16)

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...

Interesting idea.

However, sadly, since the advent of President for Life Vladimir Putin, it seems that Russia will soon have to reprocess its own system.

Maybe both sides should get together to discuss it.

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?
(Leonidas,

Leonidas,
Perhaps it's you who needs sympathy, understanding and help. You're constantly and blindly defending Christian Orthodox countries, such as Greece, Serbia and Russia' regardless of their position and blaming the others.
Your arguments rarely make sense. Aren't you the one who's brainwashed?

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?

The U.S. "uses tensions and instability to intervene into a conflict, then creates an enemy to enable their 'policy of pressure' and shift responsibility," he said.

Very true.Hardly a week goes by when they aren't torturing or killing people somewhere with their fighter planes, drones, special forces, combat troops, tanks, helicopters and since they are naturally cowards they've never admit responsibility to their actions.They arm one side against the other, today's allies are tomorrows enemies. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, many children have died and are still dying.War has always been a racket. It is the oldest, the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

How true that statement is.

Is it a coincidence that both the Russian ruble and Serbian dinar have dropped to dangerously low levels this year?
Or, is it the case of the blind leading the idiots. The same can be said about the Greek and Russian stock markets.
Why is it beneficial for the West that the price of oil has fallen to multiyear lows whereas it is a disaster for Russia and her few allies. Do we see anything in common between Russia, Serbia and Greece.

(Leonidas, 15 December 2014 19:47)
You belittle Albanians and you list conflicts that the US has been involved in as proof of crimes. So is any military intervention automatically a crime in your eyes or just because it was the US makes it a crime in your eyes?
Most who use bigotry as their foundation do so only to try and shield from their own insecurities and inadequacies.

our arguments rarely make sense. Aren't you the one who's brainwashed?
(cry me a river, 15 December 2014 17:46)

Most of the Albanian posters don't have the intelligence to put 2 + 2 together and come up with 4. All they know to do is start replying to a posting with "HAHAHA" and finish with LOL.As to my arguments my only agenda is to inform and educate people with half brain on the propaganda that is emanating from the west and expose the crimes they are committing all over the world.Here is a list of the crimes the USA/Nato has committed since the end of World War II.
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya 2011.

@ Leonidas:
Here is a list of the crimes the USA/Nato has committed since the end of World War II.
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
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.
.
Libya 2011

Leo,
All you've done is list a bunch of countries followed by dates. Is this supposed to be some kind of brilliant argument. What are the crimes! Time for you to go back to work at the souvlaki restaurant and wash the dishes.

USSR was doomed to fall because of the system, regardless of Gorbachev or Yeltsin. It was a matter of when, not if. More or less for the same reasons that Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...
(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41)

You deserve sympathy, understanding and help. You don't seem to recognise that you are little more than a brainwashed, walking, talking inferiority complex. Blindly doing the bidding of people who regard you as little more than refuse, to be discarded once your usefulness has expired. Stop spamming and being so obsessive about something you don't understand.
Who's paying you to keep repeating yourself?
(Leonidas, 15 December 2014 15:01)

Thanks mate for the contribution without any arguments. I do indeed sympathize and understand that you have run out of arguments after you became a certified liar in these forums. It appears that once you take out the lies, you can't provide any other arguments :)

For those that never learn, please note that the fall of Russia is dependent on the Americans fighting to the last Ukrainian (then croat, then INSERT NATO COLONIAL national) and what ever brainless slave infantry marches blindly to NATO war drums.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 December 2014 21:20)

There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia; Russians can fight themselves pretty well (despite them blaming everybody else, except themselves for their ills). No shots needed to be fired for the USSR to collapse :)
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If Russia falls, it will be interested to see what else is actually left standing in icj1's utopia.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 December 2014 21:20)

Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...

Firstly when the price of oil started to fall it was claimed that the US was manipulating the market to hurt Russia
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Yeah, by people who fantasize a lot about conspiracy theories :)
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but it emerges Saudi Arabia is pumping oil to flood the market and cause the price to fall and it has nothing to do with Russia. It seems that the Saudi’s want to bankrupt the US shale oil companies.
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Oh, you finally caught up with that?!
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Japan announced 3 weeks ago it was in recession. Australia will go into a recession in 2015. The EU needs a little push and the entire union is down. If they go into a recession the US is next, as if it left the last one LOL.
(sj, 16 December 2014 15:15)

Reading the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, I thought that the US had already collapsed!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Maybe some people in the west are still interested in what this man saying or doing but in his own country Gorby cannot walk without his guards even 500 meters along any street in any town not being killed. I personally believe he is second after Yeltsin to be blamed for the fall of the USSR. As a result we have a misbalanced world with many Viet Nams and no seen ways out.

Why is it that Russians, lately, are out frantically shopping for big ticket items? It is certainly not because Christmas is approaching. Is it because they see their rubles being devalued daily, shades of 1998, perhaps. Russians are out buying expensive home appliances and other items because they know that in a month or two the price will double, given the rate at which the ruble is currently sinking. By next year at this time it will take a wheelbarrow full of rubles in order to buy a loaf of bread.
Putin, I'm sure, is having some sleepless nights. I don't blame him one bit, a hungry populace will take extreme measures to feed their families. Just look at what happened to other dictators in the past few years.

(icj1, 15 December 2014 14:41) Russia is doomed to fall because some people never learn...

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For those that never learn, please note that the fall of Russia is dependent on the Americans fighting to the last Ukrainian (then croat, then INSERT NATO COLONIAL national) and what ever brainless slave infantry marches blindly to NATO war drums.

If Russia falls, it will be interested to see what else is actually left standing in icj1's utopia.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him...
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(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...
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icj1, you forecast Russia's"fall". Russia has long history that preceded and succeeded the Soviet Union.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

I did not say that Russia does not have a long history! Where did you see that?!
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In contrast to your baseless assertions, most Russians do not foresee a fall.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

That's why they rushed to dump RUB for EUR/USD when they could?!

icj1, please do enlighten us with your prophetic prowess about Russia, as you are the one claiming they will "fall". Please define what you mean by "fall" and specify the precise learnings for Russians in order for them avoid this "fall" of yours.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

By fall I mean the economy collapsing - but rest assured, nobody is going to occupy Russia :)

And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value in a few hrs today and inflation heading for the double digit. The CE of B92 forums sj declared the US as collapsed for stuff much milder than that.

Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts and unfortunately, the economy can't be controlled with orders from the Kremlin.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities. "
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

No, they only fight terrorists and ethnic separatists who think they can declare an own state on Ukrainian soil - just like Russia did in Chechnya with the ethnic separatist there who wanted to establish a Muslim state on Russian soil. And compared to the total destruction and extermination of, for example, Grosny by Russian army, things that happen in Ukraine are like kindergarten.

Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Speak for your self AY. I love the term CE at the end of every post of icj1. It reminds me of stories like when sj received 20 Euros in 1994 by Western secret services to participate in anti-Milosevic protests. Or the US being "piss and wind" and similar things :).

Meanwhile in Russia: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-will-happen-to-russias-economy-2014-12

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 16 December 2014 17:15)

OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him...
(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09)

Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Ok, so again what does that have to do anything with what I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there.
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Many Russians believe that Putin should intervene with overwhelming force to save the lives ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Yes, many, but not the majority because obviously most people don't want their family members to die for nothing. And again what does that have to do with what I said?! Do you need so badly to create an enemy that wants to fight Russia?

Perhaps both you and icj1 should follow your own advice and stop speaking for sj?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 17:40)

Just a small correction... I never speak FOR the CE of B92 forums sj. I only QUOTE his/her teachings because they are so valuable and insightful. As you may have noticed, there is not a single instance so far where the CE of B92 forums sj has told me that my quotation of his/her teachings was incorrect.

I do hope though that you don't have anything against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

You belittle Albanians and you list conflicts that the US has been involved in as proof of crimes. So is any military intervention automatically a crime in your eyes or just because it was the US makes it a crime in your eyes?
Most who use bigotry as their foundation do so only to try and shield from their own insecurities and inadequacies.
(a New Day, 16 December 2014 03:01)

You’ve elevated the phrase “ talking through your backside” to a new level.Where have you been all these years?The biggest menace to the international community since world war II is the United States of America. No other country can come close to the number of kills/murder of innocent civilians as the USA.If I were you I'd be utterly ashamed to try to disguise US invasions of sovereign nations as " conflicts".Since posting space is in short supply I will just mention the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq in which 4 people perished in the former and 1.5 in the latter not to mention the fact that both countries were bombed with orange agents and phosphorous munitions into stone age.May I suggest to you to do some reading and you may discover your humanity.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) OK, and what does that have to do with what I said? Ukraine is not fighting with Russia! Haven't you heard Mr. Putin? Or you don't believe him..

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Ukrainian right wing militias and some parts (not all) of the Ukraine military are attacking the eastern region of Donbass and Luhansk inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking minorities. The population in Russia are supporting the struggle of an ethnic minority, whose language, schools, hospitals and ultimate existence is under real threat. Many Russians believe that Putin should intervene with overwhelming force to save the lives ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

You asked what I believe: I believe that if the US (and Victoria F-the-EU Nuland) hadn't forced the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government, more than 4000 lives would not have been unnecessarily sacrificed. I believe that Ukrainian right wing fanatics whose platform is to ban other languages and kill minorities should face the same fate as their Nazi predecessors.

(icj1) By fall I mean the economy collapsing - And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value
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The Canadian dollar (also a petro currency) has recently lost approx 30% of its value relative to the US dollar. By your (il)logic has Canada also "fallen"?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Of course, if Canada's currency were to fall 30% in a few hrs, but it has not. Btw, you forgot the "few hrs" part in quoting me - as usual you need to distort quotations to be able to make any argument lol
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Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 01:54)

Then don't read them!
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(icj1) Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts
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Many readers would disagree with you and counter that in the US, China and Russia the military industrial complexes and their respective economies are tightly linked. Naive to separate the two particularly in nations with large military budgets.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 02:04)

You are just proving my point. The fact that they are linked means that it's the economy that counts. Without the economy, the military can't do much. You need the economy to make tanks; but you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy...

I believe that if the US (and Victoria F-the-EU Nuland) hadn't forced the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

You may believe whatever you want, it does not make it true. Nobody violently overthrew of the legitimately elected Ukrainian government. Do you have the date when that happened? Plus you are implying here that the US is so omnipotent to overthrow Ukraine's government! That can't be correct since it goes totally against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.
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more than 4000 lives would not have been unnecessarily sacrificed.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

Even if Ukraine's government was violently overthrown, that did not give the right to Russian mercenaries and soldiers "on leave" to cause the 4000 lives lost.
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I believe that Ukrainian right wing fanatics whose platform is to ban other languages and kill minorities should face the same fate as their Nazi predecessors.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 December 2014 11:53)

A belief out of thin air. Where is this platform which goal is to kill minorities?! This is reminiscent to some Serbs in Bosnia who committed genocide against Muslims there because allegendly the Muslims wanted to commit genocide against Serbs. So those who hypothetically wanted to commit genocide were the ones at fault, and not those who actually committed genocide.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Plus you are implying here that the US is so omnipotent to overthrow Ukraine's government! That can't be correct since it goes totally against the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj.
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Since you claim to only QUOTE sj, please provide the precise sj QUOTE regarding Ukraine and the US to substantiate your blather.

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:22) you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy...

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Historical fact: Russian war economy and superiority in tank number defeated Nazi Germany.

Remove defense spending and procurement from the US budget and then tell us how well the US economy will develop.

Cry,Icj et al. What a proliferation of mumbo-jumbo coming from your keyboards. Whenever I need to read something ridiculously funny I bathe in the warmth of your hilarious postings. You make historical revisionism amusing. Congratulations on the latest batch of banality on this topic.

Thanks mate for the contribution without any arguments. I do indeed sympathize and understand that you have run out of arguments after you became a certified liar in these forums. It appears that once you take out the lies, you can't provide any other arguments :)
(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:03)

You're of course one of those pusillanimous posters bordering to cowardice and failing to recognise their posting nonsense.The article is about Gorbachev's comments on the US and I've dealt with it.Your correlation to the article is your total abstinence from commenting on it but your eagerness to criticise anybody else who does.You end up with the usual nonsensical prediction of Russia's collapse but as always you ignore the factors which will prevent such an invent to take place.Firstly, Russia is a CREDITOR nation, secondly they've got unlimited energy supplies and thirdly are the Russian people themselves (they will never surrender to Western fascists).

Why is it beneficial for the West that the price of oil has fallen to multiyear lows whereas it is a disaster for Russia and her few allies..
(The Count of Kosova, 16 December 2014 00:48)
This is an example of simplistic nonsense that one can only laugh at. Firstly when the price of oil started to fall it was claimed that the US was manipulating the market to hurt Russia, but it emerges Saudi Arabia is pumping oil to flood the market and cause the price to fall and it has nothing to do with Russia. It seems that the Saudi’s want to bankrupt the US shale oil companies.
Last Friday’s stock market report on CNN was interesting. It stated that while cheap oil was good for the ordinary consumer it was very bad for the world economy which is causing it to go into a recession.
Japan announced 3 weeks ago it was in recession. Australia will go into a recession in 2015. The EU needs a little push and the entire union is down. If they go into a recession the US is next, as if it left the last one LOL.
Brussels is already looking at further cuts to its 2015 budget and that will flow on to Kosovo, so Count tighten your belt because its going to get a whole lot worse.
See how BS has a very short life span.

That American model is called Pax Americana and it is used as rinse and repeat. They can do that as long as dollar is king. And they need to do that to keep dollar king. That is why they go after anyone (Khadaffi, Sadam Hussein) or anything (Euro, Russia, China) that challenges that.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) By fall I mean the economy collapsing -
And, it's no longer a "will", it's actually happening! Not sure how else can you define the fact that its currency lost more than 20% of its value

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The Canadian dollar (also a petro currency) has recently lost approx 30% of its value relative to the US dollar. By your (il)logic has Canada also "fallen"?
By which criteria do you identify the countries that fall from those that stand? Economies go through cycles, which in some cases may be associated to the price of commodities. Are you claiming that countries generally do not withstand economic cycles? Or perhaps you claim that most do and you only wish that Russia does not? Please clarify your confusing and unsubstantiated thesis and please base your arguments on facts rather than apparent Russo-phobic wishes.

Please note that your repetitions of `P.S. CE = Chief Economist` mean nothing to me or other readers, and only further contort your already confusing drivel.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) Remember, it's not the military but the economy that counts

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Many readers would disagree with you and counter that in the US, China and Russia the military industrial complexes and their respective economies are tightly linked. Naive to separate the two particularly in nations with large military budgets.

But you seem more concerned with post scripting us about some phantom CE, instead of providing rational fact based arguments.

(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20) No, they only fight terrorists and ethnic separatists who think they can declare an own state on Ukrainian soil -

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Wrong. The population of Donbass and Luhansk were rightfully expecting to live under the government they elected and which was violently and illegitimately overthrown (with US support and backing). The population of Donbass, Luhansk and former Ukrainian Crimea justifiably consider the right wing fanatics in Kiev terrorists.


(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20)just like Russia did in Chechnya
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Well let's examine some details: Did Russia ever ban the Chechen language?


(Comm. Parrisson, 17 December 2014 12:20)things that happen in Ukraine are like kindergarten.
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Indeed. The Kiev right wing fanatical militias do target Russian kindergatens in the Donbass and kill innocent Russian children.

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Meanwhile in Russia: [link]

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Please. "Business insider" is nowhere near and can not even be considered to be "in" Russia.

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Speak for your self AY.

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I do speak for myself. I indicated that the term CE means nothing to me or other readers. Perhaps you may wish to acquaint yourself with logical operators and the difference between "or" vs "and".

(Reader, 17 December 2014 15:53) Speak for your self AY.

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Perhaps both you and icj1 should follow your own advice and stop speaking for sj?

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Even if Ukraine's government was violently overthrown, that did not give the right to Russian mercenaries and soldiers "on leave" to cause the 4000 lives lost.
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The Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk refuse to recognize the illegitimate and unelected terrorists in Kiev. The right wing fanatical militias sent from Kiev attacked this Russian minority and caused most of the innocent and civilian deaths.

(icj1, 17 December 2014 20:52) Where is this platform which goal is to kill minorities?!

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The platform is evident from the battle plan. The Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk do not recognize the illegitimate right wing fanatics that have seized power in Kiev. Armed right wing fanatics have be sent by the regime in Kiev to shoot and kill this minority. Killing children in school yards. Innocent people in their yards and homes. If it is not a platform, then please tell the right wing Kiev fanatics to stop firing bullets, mortars and other munitions at the indigenous Russian minority population.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 23:49) By fall I mean the economy collapsing.

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These are two very different terms and phrases. In historical lexicon the word `fall` has been used to refer to an irreversible event such as `The fall of the Roman Empire`.
In contrast, economies recede, decline, collapse and recover in a cyclical and reversible manner.

Perhaps your irrational sj/CE obsession has impacted your cognitive capacity.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Ok, so again what does that have to do anything with what I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there.

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The intention of the right wing fanatical militias sent by the terrorists in Kiev (and supported by the US) is to shoot and kill the Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk.

(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) There is no need for anybody to fight and nobody has any intention to fight with Russia;
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Mate, you may wish to inform the US congress and Senate as they just authorized the budget for weapons so that Ukrainians may continue to die as brainless proxies for the US.



(icj1, 16 December 2014 08:09) Russians can figure that out. They can go for a repeat or choose some other path if they learn something from history...

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icj1, you forecast Russia's"fall". Russia has long history that preceded and succeeded the Soviet Union. In contrast to your baseless assertions, most Russians do not foresee a fall. icj1, please do enlighten us with your prophetic prowess about Russia, as you are the one claiming they will "fall".
Please define what you mean by "fall" and specify the precise learnings for Russians in order for them avoid this "fall" of yours.

Historical fact: Russian war economy and superiority in tank number defeated Nazi Germany.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:50)

You're missing the point. The tanks and the war economy are important to defeat the enemy. But you need the rest of the economic insfrastructure to produce the tanks and other military hardware. For example, during WW2 the Soviet Union produced by itself about 340000 trucks whereas the US supplied itwith more than 500000 trucks (+ thusands of tanks and aircrafts). That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated because its economic development was no match for Nazi Germany's economy due to comrade Stalin's economic adventures in the 15 preceeding years.
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Remove defense spending and procurement from the US budget and then tell us how well the US economy will develop.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:50)

Well, if the US does not have the other sectors of the economy to support the defense spending, it will have to reduce it. But anyway that has nothing to do with what I stated that you need the economy to make tanks; but you can't rely on tanks to develop the economy. If you did not understand it, let me make it more clear. A tank is the output of economic capacity; it is not an economic input like land, labour and capital.

Since you claim to only QUOTE sj, please provide the precise sj QUOTE regarding Ukraine and the US to substantiate your blather.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 15:40)

Aren't you aware that the CE of B92 forums sj has already declared that the US has collapsed/run out of cash?!
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The intention of the right wing fanatical militias sent by the terrorists in Kiev (and supported by the US) is to shoot and kill the Russian speaking minority in Donbass and Luhansk.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 06:17)

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said that "nobody has any intention to fight with Russia"?! According to Russia, Donbass and Luhansk are not part of Russia and Russia is not involved in the fighting there. So, what's your point?! You don't trust what the Kremlin says?
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Perhaps your irrational sj/CE obsession has impacted your cognitive capacity.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 06:07)

Why, you don't trust the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj whom I quote?!
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The platform is evident from the battle plan.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 05:42)

Ok, so where is the battle plan which says what you say so that we can see it directly instead of relying on your interpretation of it?

The Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk refuse to recognize the illegitimate and unelected terrorists in Kiev. The right wing fanatical militias sent from Kiev attacked this Russian minority and caused most of the innocent and civilian deaths.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 18 December 2014 05:29)

Who told you that? The international community, Russia included, does recognize Kiev's government as legitimate and your have provided no credible evidence that the Russian speaking people of Donbass and Luhansk disagree with Russia and the international community on that point.

(icj1, 21 December 2014 17:40) That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated
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Laughable. Complete fantasy and propaganda. icj1, you may wish to learn and educate yourself about the decisive battles on the Russian front in 1941 and 1942.

(icj1, 21 December 2014 17:40) That's why even in WW2 the Soviet Union had to rely on the US superior economy otherwise the Soviet Union would have been defeated
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Laughable. Complete fantasy and propaganda. icj1, you may wish to learn and educate yourself about the decisive battles on the Russian front in 1941 and 1942.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 22 December 2014 17:35)

Again, are confused mate.... Nobody is denying that the Russian front was the most decisive in WW2. The thing is that the majority of trucks that supported the Russian front with food, supplies, military hardware, etc were provided by the US because the Soviet Union did not have the economic capacity to produce enough of them. Regardless of how heroic soldiers are or how laughable that may be, an empty stomach never wins... it's a law of nature :)

So, that goes back to that famous saying... It's the economy, stupid