"Germans want Kosovo removed from Constitution"

It's very simple, Serbia can not have claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia any longer if it wants to become a member of the EU. This has been clear for a very long time, and this is a european demand, not a german demand. How can the Belgrade politicians seriously think that the EU will let a country become a member that has claims on another country, and it is good that this subject is brought up now at the beginning of the talks instead towards the end. This demand won't change. Now the power elite in Belgrade has to stop lying to its own people. Take it, or leave it.

Germany should know very well what can home from making impossible an unfair demands to a country. It was exactly that which paved the way of rise of the Nazi regime after World War 1. That and of course the foreign investments, notably including that of the American Bush family (yes, that family), that bankrolled their path to power. But Germany probably knows this all too well. It does not require rocket science to figure out that Germany has consistently done its best to create tension in the Balkan region and has absolutely no wish for an undivided region.

This issue has not much to do with Kosovo itself. That Kosovo is essentially independent from Serbia, though constitutionally still part of it, is just an easy tool for the Germans. The Germans know fully well that the separation of Kosovo will never be legal according to national law. No amount of international recognition will change that. Any politician that would write Kosovo out of the constitution would risk being prosecuted for treason by a future government. For Germany, having Kosovo scrapped from the Serbian constitution would be the ultimate victory for their crimes in the Balkan region though. But what they don't fully realize, which is common for people drunk on power, is the dangerous consequences of their actions. Since they got away so far with their crimes, they often think they've become invincible. Germany does not fully realize how fragile their own country really is.

One should ask the Nazis why is if Kosovo-Metohija is already independent like you say it is, why does Serbia's constitution even matter? I'll tell you why, because lobbying of the Western governments which originally organized the bombing and amputation of Serbia's territory has only gotten so far with their political project. Partial recognition, no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization.

So the strategy switched from unilaterally trying to legalize Serbia's amputation to doing the only thing they could do to legalize it and that's pressure Serbia's already corrupt political elite. They are easily bought so they have conceded to you over many things including EULEX, the UN resolution Serbia could have passed a few years ago, meeting known terrorists and heroin traffickers etc.

If Serbia's political elite would to succumb to Germany under the pretence of EU membership which not only is never going to actually be offered, but would be highly detrimental anyway, then Serbia doesn't deserve to be a country any more.

(Willi Pfaff, 11 December 2014 11:29)

For you, a complete nobody, an old man with too much time on his hands to actually match his Nazi governments rabid Serbophobia is appalling to say the least. 99% of ordinary Germans or any Westerners at all have this racist, bigoted view of Serbs. The elites that be do, obviously. Most evident in Germany. But regular people don't. But this disturbed individual has made it his life work to hate Serbia like his fascist predecessors did.

I for one hope Serbia never joins your EU, and not just because the institutions is vehemently anti-Serbian like you are, but also because it is crumbling and I love nation-state democracy way too much to want to sign up my country to this sick project.

Yes, Germany wants Kosovo removed from Serbia’s constitution and I want to win the New York Lottery, but alas there is very little chance of either happening especially since I don’t even have a ticket in the lottery and the Serbian government would have to conduct a referendum.
Ahh the heal clickers must be getting desperate LOL.

There's an easy answer for the Germans, who have a despicable history of unspeakable war crimes in Serbia. Stay out of our affairs, stay off our land. We are not your slaves like most of our neighbours are, and we never will be. Middle finger to you - sit on that and rotate :).
Cheers!!

Of course it will be removed from serbias constituion. It can be done by parliament vote or referendum. 63% of serbia already says Kosovo is independent. No member of the eu can have another country in its constituion as a part of its territory! Serbia already voted the party responsible for putting Kosovo into it out of parliament so the vote in parliament would probably be unanimous.

Serbia does not belong in EU. Leave it to Putin so he can take care of it like he did with Ukraine and Georgia.

It did not take a referendum to put it in, as a matter of fact it took an afternoon session of Kostunica's rubber stamp to add the preamble to the already finished constitution. Why would it take a referendum to remove it? Something changed so easily is meaningless anyway.
(just wondering, 11 December 2014 12:52)
All Kostunica did was to reinforce the position on Kosovo, but to write it out of the constitution is another matter that no Serbian politician is can do, even Tadic was unable to do that. A decision of that magnitude requires agreement of the Serbian people.

No to the EU! When I say EU, I mean Germany. How can we enter a union that is run by one country? One in particular that we had many problems with in the past. Brussels is basically Germany's lapdog to mediate their demands and shape Europe into one big reich. Nyet!

(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 12:48)

has it ever occurred to you that people like you who spread nothing but hate, half truth and lies are the reason 'Serbophobia' even exists.

Ari & SJ,

Do you honestly believe that after 16 years Kosovo will be part of Serbia? I am not trying to go back through history just understand your point of view.

I think Serbia has used Kosovo to keep people distracted from real issues in Balkans a dose of nationalism cures most hangovers.

Also lets say after 50years when people have lived and never been part of Serbia and all poleticians in Serbia and Kosovo are gone do you ever see peace?

Serbian government would have to conduct a referendum.
Ahh the heal clickers must be getting desperate LOL.
(sj, 11 December 2014 10:54)
It did not take a referendum to put it in, as a matter of fact it took an afternoon session of Kostunica's rubber stamp to add the preamble to the already finished constitution. Why would it take a referendum to remove it? Something changed so easily is meaningless anyway.

Germany want Serbia to recognise Kosovos independence before enter the EU, and Serbia have to decided, yes or not,and that's good so.

Willi Pfaff: Spot on my friend. It really is piss or get off the pot time for Serbia. Personally, I think they should give up on EU membership as they clearly do not want to cede to the demands being made of them. This would be the honourable course for them to follow and would save everyone a lot of wasted time, effort and money.

and to rationalize the 200, 000 Serbs who were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo-Metohija, the 10s of thousands of Serbs who were murdered and your favorite crime to rationalize- organ harvesting
(Ari Gold, 12 December 2014 11:11)
To have an adult conversation you really need to come to grips with 2 things, to have ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo is logistically impossible as there were never more than 240,000 Serbs in Kosovo since the 1940's(according to Serbian conducted censuses) and there is now estimated between 150 and 200 thousand Serbs(est because they would not participate in the last census).
Organ harvesting has pretty much been debunked as a myth that Serbs like to read to their children at bed time. 3 investigations have not turned up any credible evidence to prove it ever happened much less to charge someone with the crimes.

One should ask the Nazis why is if Kosovo-Metohija is already independent like you say it is, why does Serbia's constitution even matter? I'll tell you why, because lobbying of the Western governments which originally organized the bombing and amputation of Serbia's territory has only gotten so far with their political project. Partial recognition, no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization.
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 11:18)

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol

(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:45)
So only 76,000 Serbs left in Kosovo, I guess it is time to reduce that guaranteed amount of parliament seats from 10% to 4% right?

Ari Gold for once I agree with your statement "Serbia doesn't deserve to exist anymore".

War reparations,War Crimes Tribunal and Justice demands Evil be eliminated just like in Jasenovac :)

Ah, Vecernje Novosti.

Never mind.

The pro eu parties have such a big majority there actually does not need to be a referendum to remove Kosovo for eu membership. They can do it all throuh parliament. Serbs already say Kosovo is an independent nation according to b92 and ipsos polls so the Serbian people are already on board. They voted to eliminate the dss from parliament.

RE:
Serbia does not belong in EU. Leave it to Putin so he can take care of it like he did with Ukraine and Georgia.
(Mark, 11 December 2014 16:40)

Yes, Serbia does not belong in the EU. But the EU certainly does not belong in Europe either!

(sj, 11 December 2014 13:35
You are dead wrong, Kostunica did not just reinforce it, they held a session and ADDED it to the constitution, without referendum, so why would you think they have to have a referendum to take it out. Do not remember Tadic ever trying to take it out.

The GDP of EU is primarily driven by the Germans and thier productivity work ethics. There is very little time for eating chevapi drinking slevovits and farting all day in the midst of wasted gossip in cafe shops. Germans are highly educated logical and methodical in their approach and rationale thinking. Leave it to the Serbs for illogical and emotional reactions. The Germans have taken a phase approach to this issue. Phase 1, Take Kosova out of the serbian constitution. Phase 2, take Serbia out of Europe.

Willi Pfaff: Spot on my friend. It really is piss or get off the pot time for Serbia. Personally, I think they should give up on EU membership as they clearly do not want to cede to the demands being made of them. This would be the honourable course for them to follow and would save everyone a lot of wasted time, effort and money.
(ned taylor, 11 December 2014 20:34)

I guess you are right, the willingness to finally tackle the subject of recognizing Kosovo and the realization that Serbia committed crimes against humanity simply is missing among the people who run Serbia's affairs. For as long as that is missing Serbia can and will not become a member of the EU. As you said, right now it looks as it is a waste of time, money and effort. They obviously want to play with Russia, and the west should just let them walk into another disaster. It doesn't make sense to help somebody who doesn't even see they need help. We see this on a daily basis here on B92. Even surveys show that a majority of Serbs seem to think differently, the one's wich run the show obviously think otherwise. There is still too much hate in heads of many of those people, and an unwillingness to change that way of thinking. Serbia is doomed if it doesn't change.

Even surveys show that a majority of Serbs seem to think differently, the one's wich run the show obviously think otherwise. There is still too much hate in heads of many of those people, and an unwillingness to change that way of thinking. Serbia is doomed if it doesn't change.
(Willi Pfaff, 12 December 2014 01:34)

Serbia has, unlike its neighbours, paid for the dark moments of its past. It has extradited and sentenced people that were suspected of warcrimes while albanians and croats celebrate theirs as heroes and award them with high political positions but thats something that you obviously dont care about since they were on your side during ww2 and therefore can get away with anything. Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom. Not a single one has been convicted of setting monesterys and churches on fire, not a single one has been convicted of desecrating graveyards. Those are facts unlike your desillusional lies and pathetical attempts to twist and turn. Why dont you expect the albanians and the croats to condemn their war crimes and sentence their warcriminals?

Kosovo is economically unsustainable not matter how hard you wish it to be otherwise. Its only temporarily separate because the EU funds and runs everything there i.e. police. Judiciary administration etc.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Oh, I see. So, a failed state like Serbia will make Kosovo's economy sustainable lol
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All will depend on how Russia goes with Ukraine. If Russia capitulates then yes Kosovo is gone and no further questions on that mater, but if Russia wins then your gone.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Nobody has explained what the "win" would look like for Russia in Ukraine?! I'm sure even Vlad himself has any idea. He just started the adventure without thinking how to end it :)
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No matter how hard you may wish for it the west is losing its grip on everything and China has replaced the US as the world’s No1 economy while in the US they are haggling over the next trillion dollars they need to borrow.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

China has been the Number 1 economy in the world for 2000+ years, except from mid-19th century to now, so not sure where is the news :) However, how well people live is measured by economic output per capita and China is nowhere close to developed countries.

EU in fact is a dictatorship. We all know that all serbs want Kosovo back. But some serbs are true to themselves and some had learnt nothing from this last 30 years.

Yes, EU is a dictatorship. She is dictating Serbia to learn to live and to let live. She`s dictating to Serbia that war is an aption no more. She`s dictating to Serbia that civilisation means to respect each other`s right to live, to keep his/her ethnic identity and his/her faith.

Serbia has to understand that the Milosevic terror times are not "accidental" they were a product of a brutal and war fetish mentality. That mentality must be castrated.

Yes. EU is a dicatorship, who`s imposing peace in a region in which "freedom" means "war". Like the name of that guy who started it all.

Down with Slloboda! Long live Dictatorship!

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol
(icj1, 11 December 2014 19:46)

Maybe you have comprehension problems. Reread my comment a couple of times and you will understand what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 23:18)

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations

Daniel you are wrong Serbia still owes Billions in War Reparations.
Serbia must pay all victims of the Greater Serbia Terrorism Campaign of the 1990's.

International Community demands this.
No NATO protection and no EU handouts until Serb theft of indigenous homelands are returned and victims compensated.

I guess you are right, the willingness to finally tackle the subject of recognizing Kosovo and the realization that Serbia committed crimes against humanity simply is missing among the people who run Serbia's affairs.
(Willi Pfaff, 12 December 2014 01:34)

You need to show the willingness to tackle the subject of addressing your disturbing, bigoted passion to lie about and demonize Serbs, and to rationalize the 200, 000 Serbs who were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo-Metohija, the 10s of thousands of Serbs who were murdered and your favorite crime to rationalize- organ harvesting.

http://english.blic.rs/Society/3605/We-were-finding-bodies-of-killed-Serbs-every-morning

Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom.
(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:51)

When you come on here and make outrageous claims that are total fabrications at least check to make sure Serbian media is not the ones that proves you are lying.
According to B92, 143 Albanians have been convicted for participation of crimes in 2004 but sources say that Serbia has not convicted anyone for the crimes committed against minorities in Serbia during March 2004.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=03&dd=17&nav_id=65852

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:05)

No you clearly have a comprehension problem. Re read my entire comment again and after a few tries it should sink in. I know Hoxha did a number on you guys, but you learned how to put sentences together, reading comprehension shouldn't be that hard.
(Ari Gold, 14 December 2014 08:31)

Well, you can continue to repeat like a child that "No you clearly have a comprehension problem" because you say so without providing any explanation. Repeating it does not make it true:)

The fact remains that what you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" means that you have decided to live in denial BECAUSE Kosovo is already part of several international organizations. I provided an explanation (the part of the sentence after "because" in case you have difficulties locating it), whereas you did not provide any explanation other than just because you say so lol

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol
(icj1, 11 December 2014 19:46)

Maybe you have comprehension problems. Reread my comment a couple of times and you will understand what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.

From the last interview of Slobodan Milisevic :

Russians ! I mean all the Russians as on the Balkans the peoples of the Ukraine and Byelorussia are also considered as the Russians. Look at us and remember – they will treat you the same way when you disintegrate and give them slack. The West is a mad chain dog to claw hold of your throat. Brothers do remember the fate of Yugoslavia ! Don’t let them do the same with you!”

“Русские! Я сейчас обращаюсь ко всем русским, жителей Украины и Беларуси на Балканах тоже считают русскими. Посмотрите на нас и запомните – с вами сделают тоже самое, когда вы разобщитесь и дадите слабину. Запад – цепная бешеная собака вцепится вам в горло. Братья, помните о судьбе Югославии! Не дайте поступить с вами так же!»

http://www.kramola.info/vesti/metody-genocida/poslednee-obrawenie-slobodana-miloshevicha-k-slavjanam

Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom.
(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:51)

That's obviously a LIE. You did not do a minimum research but just expressed your wish of what you want the facts to be but the facts do not match match your wishes.

The District Court in Gjilane on 19/05/2005 convicted Nexhat Ramadani to 16 years in prison because on 17/03/2004 he murdered Slobodan Peric in cooperation with others by chasing Mr. Peric with other accomplices as his property was attacked by a large angry crowd and hitting him twice with a stick once to his arms and once to his
head.

So, now you are a certified LIAR, joining our dear friend Leonidas in holding that distinguished title :)

Ari & SJ,

Do you honestly believe that after 16 years Kosovo will be part of Serbia? I am not trying to go back through history just understand your point of view.

I think Serbia has used Kosovo to keep people distracted from real issues in Balkans a dose of nationalism cures most hangovers.

Also lets say after 50years when people have lived and never been part of Serbia and all poleticians in Serbia and Kosovo are gone do you ever see peace?
(Atila, 11 December 2014 14:27)

Kosovo is economically unsustainable not matter how hard you wish it to be otherwise. Its only temporarily separate because the EU funds and runs everything there i.e. police. Judiciary administration etc. All will depend on how Russia goes with Ukraine. If Russia capitulates then yes Kosovo is gone and no further questions on that mater, but if Russia wins then your gone.
No matter how hard you may wish for it the west is losing its grip on everything and China has replaced the US as the world’s No1 economy while in the US they are haggling over the next trillion dollars they need to borrow. Had the EU been cautious in taking members it would be a different story, but they were in fear that a resurgent Russia and now they are overstreched. These are all facts not fiction nor wishful thinking.

Kosovo is stolen. Kosovo is independent.
Yes but the way how this all happened is unjust and dirty by Albanians and their masters.

Ethnically cleansed Kosovo of native Serbs since the 1500s.
It was finished in 1999.
But what is taken can always be retaken!
Remember that.


As for Germany, haha what a weak country, they think they are strong but if they really were, they would be a much more populous country, then they would had a stronger economy plus more influence.
Here in 1910 Germany had 66 mil people, Turkey/Iran/Egypt 10 mil also Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam/Myanmar had less then 10 mil people in 1910, Germany was bigger then Indonesia and twice Japan, and almost as large as the US.
Do the math how most countries grew in population and in economy in the last 100 years and Germany. Germany is a dying country. Since 1970 more people die then there are born, plus many places in Germany are a kind of Turkestan, good luck with that!

Ari Iron,
150 000 serbs you say right?

A most comprehensive (October 2002) estimate (for the 1.9 million inhabitants) for these years:
92% Albanians
4% Serbs
4% Bosniaks, Turks, Romani and others


Since when is 4% out of 1.9 million 150 000?

Had the EU been cautious in taking members it would be a different story, but they were in fear that a resurgent Russia and now they are overstreched. These are all facts not fiction nor wishful thinking.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

So only 76,000 Serbs left in Kosovo, I guess it is time to reduce that guaranteed amount of parliament seats from 10% to 4% right?
(Serbs you gotta love their math, 12 December 2014 21:48)

As an albanian you should know that the numbers of seats in the "parlament" hasnt got anything to do with percentage of the population. I suggest you read your own laws.

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:05)

No you clearly have a comprehension problem. Re read my entire comment again and after a few tries it should sink in. I know Hoxha did a number on you guys, but you learned how to put sentences together, reading comprehension shouldn't be that hard.

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:02)
Well CTC a question for you. If Russia is suffering from a recession then why is Japan in recession now? And why is Australia following it? And why is Germany on the edge and looks like going down that path?
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

"Daniel you are wrong Serbia still owes Billions in War Reparations.
Serbia must pay all victims of the Greater Serbia Terrorism Campaign of the 1990's. "

Show me evidence and the sum you that serbia owes?

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:02)
Well CTC a question for you. If Russia is suffering from a recession then why is Japan in recession now? And why is Australia following it? And why is Germany on the edge and looks like going down that path?
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 15 December 2014 22:44)

Sorry, but where is the logical cause-effect link between "If Russia is suffering from a recession" and "then why is Japan in recession now"?!

You can certainly ask for the reasons why Japan or Tonga are in recession, but that does not necessarily have anything to do with Russia

"ccording to B92, 143 Albanians have been convicted for participation of crimes in 2004 but sources say that Serbia has not convicted anyone for the crimes committed against minorities in Serbia during March 2004. "

There were no crimes committed against minorites in Serbia during 2004, once again a lie and something that you made up. 38 years for 2 murders, 6,5 years per perpetrator for double murder. Albanian justice when it comes to serb lives.

"Germans want Kosovo removed from Constitution"

I want Germans and Germany being removed from the Planet Earth.

Ari Gold for once I agree with your statement "Serbia doesn't deserve to exist anymore".

War reparations,War Crimes Tribunal and Justice demands Evil be eliminated just like in Jasenovac :)

It's very simple, Serbia can not have claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia any longer if it wants to become a member of the EU. This has been clear for a very long time, and this is a european demand, not a german demand. How can the Belgrade politicians seriously think that the EU will let a country become a member that has claims on another country, and it is good that this subject is brought up now at the beginning of the talks instead towards the end. This demand won't change. Now the power elite in Belgrade has to stop lying to its own people. Take it, or leave it.

Of course it will be removed from serbias constituion. It can be done by parliament vote or referendum. 63% of serbia already says Kosovo is independent. No member of the eu can have another country in its constituion as a part of its territory! Serbia already voted the party responsible for putting Kosovo into it out of parliament so the vote in parliament would probably be unanimous.

Yes, Germany wants Kosovo removed from Serbia’s constitution and I want to win the New York Lottery, but alas there is very little chance of either happening especially since I don’t even have a ticket in the lottery and the Serbian government would have to conduct a referendum.
Ahh the heal clickers must be getting desperate LOL.

One should ask the Nazis why is if Kosovo-Metohija is already independent like you say it is, why does Serbia's constitution even matter? I'll tell you why, because lobbying of the Western governments which originally organized the bombing and amputation of Serbia's territory has only gotten so far with their political project. Partial recognition, no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization.

So the strategy switched from unilaterally trying to legalize Serbia's amputation to doing the only thing they could do to legalize it and that's pressure Serbia's already corrupt political elite. They are easily bought so they have conceded to you over many things including EULEX, the UN resolution Serbia could have passed a few years ago, meeting known terrorists and heroin traffickers etc.

If Serbia's political elite would to succumb to Germany under the pretence of EU membership which not only is never going to actually be offered, but would be highly detrimental anyway, then Serbia doesn't deserve to be a country any more.

Ari & SJ,

Do you honestly believe that after 16 years Kosovo will be part of Serbia? I am not trying to go back through history just understand your point of view.

I think Serbia has used Kosovo to keep people distracted from real issues in Balkans a dose of nationalism cures most hangovers.

Also lets say after 50years when people have lived and never been part of Serbia and all poleticians in Serbia and Kosovo are gone do you ever see peace?

(Willi Pfaff, 11 December 2014 11:29)

For you, a complete nobody, an old man with too much time on his hands to actually match his Nazi governments rabid Serbophobia is appalling to say the least. 99% of ordinary Germans or any Westerners at all have this racist, bigoted view of Serbs. The elites that be do, obviously. Most evident in Germany. But regular people don't. But this disturbed individual has made it his life work to hate Serbia like his fascist predecessors did.

I for one hope Serbia never joins your EU, and not just because the institutions is vehemently anti-Serbian like you are, but also because it is crumbling and I love nation-state democracy way too much to want to sign up my country to this sick project.

(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 12:48)

has it ever occurred to you that people like you who spread nothing but hate, half truth and lies are the reason 'Serbophobia' even exists.

There's an easy answer for the Germans, who have a despicable history of unspeakable war crimes in Serbia. Stay out of our affairs, stay off our land. We are not your slaves like most of our neighbours are, and we never will be. Middle finger to you - sit on that and rotate :).
Cheers!!

The pro eu parties have such a big majority there actually does not need to be a referendum to remove Kosovo for eu membership. They can do it all throuh parliament. Serbs already say Kosovo is an independent nation according to b92 and ipsos polls so the Serbian people are already on board. They voted to eliminate the dss from parliament.

Serbian government would have to conduct a referendum.
Ahh the heal clickers must be getting desperate LOL.
(sj, 11 December 2014 10:54)
It did not take a referendum to put it in, as a matter of fact it took an afternoon session of Kostunica's rubber stamp to add the preamble to the already finished constitution. Why would it take a referendum to remove it? Something changed so easily is meaningless anyway.

Germany should know very well what can home from making impossible an unfair demands to a country. It was exactly that which paved the way of rise of the Nazi regime after World War 1. That and of course the foreign investments, notably including that of the American Bush family (yes, that family), that bankrolled their path to power. But Germany probably knows this all too well. It does not require rocket science to figure out that Germany has consistently done its best to create tension in the Balkan region and has absolutely no wish for an undivided region.

This issue has not much to do with Kosovo itself. That Kosovo is essentially independent from Serbia, though constitutionally still part of it, is just an easy tool for the Germans. The Germans know fully well that the separation of Kosovo will never be legal according to national law. No amount of international recognition will change that. Any politician that would write Kosovo out of the constitution would risk being prosecuted for treason by a future government. For Germany, having Kosovo scrapped from the Serbian constitution would be the ultimate victory for their crimes in the Balkan region though. But what they don't fully realize, which is common for people drunk on power, is the dangerous consequences of their actions. Since they got away so far with their crimes, they often think they've become invincible. Germany does not fully realize how fragile their own country really is.

Germany want Serbia to recognise Kosovos independence before enter the EU, and Serbia have to decided, yes or not,and that's good so.

It did not take a referendum to put it in, as a matter of fact it took an afternoon session of Kostunica's rubber stamp to add the preamble to the already finished constitution. Why would it take a referendum to remove it? Something changed so easily is meaningless anyway.
(just wondering, 11 December 2014 12:52)
All Kostunica did was to reinforce the position on Kosovo, but to write it out of the constitution is another matter that no Serbian politician is can do, even Tadic was unable to do that. A decision of that magnitude requires agreement of the Serbian people.

I guess you are right, the willingness to finally tackle the subject of recognizing Kosovo and the realization that Serbia committed crimes against humanity simply is missing among the people who run Serbia's affairs.
(Willi Pfaff, 12 December 2014 01:34)

You need to show the willingness to tackle the subject of addressing your disturbing, bigoted passion to lie about and demonize Serbs, and to rationalize the 200, 000 Serbs who were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo-Metohija, the 10s of thousands of Serbs who were murdered and your favorite crime to rationalize- organ harvesting.

http://english.blic.rs/Society/3605/We-were-finding-bodies-of-killed-Serbs-every-morning

No to the EU! When I say EU, I mean Germany. How can we enter a union that is run by one country? One in particular that we had many problems with in the past. Brussels is basically Germany's lapdog to mediate their demands and shape Europe into one big reich. Nyet!

Even surveys show that a majority of Serbs seem to think differently, the one's wich run the show obviously think otherwise. There is still too much hate in heads of many of those people, and an unwillingness to change that way of thinking. Serbia is doomed if it doesn't change.
(Willi Pfaff, 12 December 2014 01:34)

Serbia has, unlike its neighbours, paid for the dark moments of its past. It has extradited and sentenced people that were suspected of warcrimes while albanians and croats celebrate theirs as heroes and award them with high political positions but thats something that you obviously dont care about since they were on your side during ww2 and therefore can get away with anything. Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom. Not a single one has been convicted of setting monesterys and churches on fire, not a single one has been convicted of desecrating graveyards. Those are facts unlike your desillusional lies and pathetical attempts to twist and turn. Why dont you expect the albanians and the croats to condemn their war crimes and sentence their warcriminals?

EU in fact is a dictatorship. We all know that all serbs want Kosovo back. But some serbs are true to themselves and some had learnt nothing from this last 30 years.

Yes, EU is a dictatorship. She is dictating Serbia to learn to live and to let live. She`s dictating to Serbia that war is an aption no more. She`s dictating to Serbia that civilisation means to respect each other`s right to live, to keep his/her ethnic identity and his/her faith.

Serbia has to understand that the Milosevic terror times are not "accidental" they were a product of a brutal and war fetish mentality. That mentality must be castrated.

Yes. EU is a dicatorship, who`s imposing peace in a region in which "freedom" means "war". Like the name of that guy who started it all.

Down with Slloboda! Long live Dictatorship!

One should ask the Nazis why is if Kosovo-Metohija is already independent like you say it is, why does Serbia's constitution even matter? I'll tell you why, because lobbying of the Western governments which originally organized the bombing and amputation of Serbia's territory has only gotten so far with their political project. Partial recognition, no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization.
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 11:18)

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol

Ari & SJ,

Do you honestly believe that after 16 years Kosovo will be part of Serbia? I am not trying to go back through history just understand your point of view.

I think Serbia has used Kosovo to keep people distracted from real issues in Balkans a dose of nationalism cures most hangovers.

Also lets say after 50years when people have lived and never been part of Serbia and all poleticians in Serbia and Kosovo are gone do you ever see peace?
(Atila, 11 December 2014 14:27)

Kosovo is economically unsustainable not matter how hard you wish it to be otherwise. Its only temporarily separate because the EU funds and runs everything there i.e. police. Judiciary administration etc. All will depend on how Russia goes with Ukraine. If Russia capitulates then yes Kosovo is gone and no further questions on that mater, but if Russia wins then your gone.
No matter how hard you may wish for it the west is losing its grip on everything and China has replaced the US as the world’s No1 economy while in the US they are haggling over the next trillion dollars they need to borrow. Had the EU been cautious in taking members it would be a different story, but they were in fear that a resurgent Russia and now they are overstreched. These are all facts not fiction nor wishful thinking.

RE:
Serbia does not belong in EU. Leave it to Putin so he can take care of it like he did with Ukraine and Georgia.
(Mark, 11 December 2014 16:40)

Yes, Serbia does not belong in the EU. But the EU certainly does not belong in Europe either!

From the last interview of Slobodan Milisevic :

Russians ! I mean all the Russians as on the Balkans the peoples of the Ukraine and Byelorussia are also considered as the Russians. Look at us and remember – they will treat you the same way when you disintegrate and give them slack. The West is a mad chain dog to claw hold of your throat. Brothers do remember the fate of Yugoslavia ! Don’t let them do the same with you!”

“Русские! Я сейчас обращаюсь ко всем русским, жителей Украины и Беларуси на Балканах тоже считают русскими. Посмотрите на нас и запомните – с вами сделают тоже самое, когда вы разобщитесь и дадите слабину. Запад – цепная бешеная собака вцепится вам в горло. Братья, помните о судьбе Югославии! Не дайте поступить с вами так же!»

http://www.kramola.info/vesti/metody-genocida/poslednee-obrawenie-slobodana-miloshevicha-k-slavjanam

Serbia does not belong in EU. Leave it to Putin so he can take care of it like he did with Ukraine and Georgia.

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol
(icj1, 11 December 2014 19:46)

Maybe you have comprehension problems. Reread my comment a couple of times and you will understand what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:05)

No you clearly have a comprehension problem. Re read my entire comment again and after a few tries it should sink in. I know Hoxha did a number on you guys, but you learned how to put sentences together, reading comprehension shouldn't be that hard.

Kosovo is stolen. Kosovo is independent.
Yes but the way how this all happened is unjust and dirty by Albanians and their masters.

Ethnically cleansed Kosovo of native Serbs since the 1500s.
It was finished in 1999.
But what is taken can always be retaken!
Remember that.


As for Germany, haha what a weak country, they think they are strong but if they really were, they would be a much more populous country, then they would had a stronger economy plus more influence.
Here in 1910 Germany had 66 mil people, Turkey/Iran/Egypt 10 mil also Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam/Myanmar had less then 10 mil people in 1910, Germany was bigger then Indonesia and twice Japan, and almost as large as the US.
Do the math how most countries grew in population and in economy in the last 100 years and Germany. Germany is a dying country. Since 1970 more people die then there are born, plus many places in Germany are a kind of Turkestan, good luck with that!

and to rationalize the 200, 000 Serbs who were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo-Metohija, the 10s of thousands of Serbs who were murdered and your favorite crime to rationalize- organ harvesting
(Ari Gold, 12 December 2014 11:11)
To have an adult conversation you really need to come to grips with 2 things, to have ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo is logistically impossible as there were never more than 240,000 Serbs in Kosovo since the 1940's(according to Serbian conducted censuses) and there is now estimated between 150 and 200 thousand Serbs(est because they would not participate in the last census).
Organ harvesting has pretty much been debunked as a myth that Serbs like to read to their children at bed time. 3 investigations have not turned up any credible evidence to prove it ever happened much less to charge someone with the crimes.

So only 76,000 Serbs left in Kosovo, I guess it is time to reduce that guaranteed amount of parliament seats from 10% to 4% right?
(Serbs you gotta love their math, 12 December 2014 21:48)

As an albanian you should know that the numbers of seats in the "parlament" hasnt got anything to do with percentage of the population. I suggest you read your own laws.

Willi Pfaff: Spot on my friend. It really is piss or get off the pot time for Serbia. Personally, I think they should give up on EU membership as they clearly do not want to cede to the demands being made of them. This would be the honourable course for them to follow and would save everyone a lot of wasted time, effort and money.
(ned taylor, 11 December 2014 20:34)

I guess you are right, the willingness to finally tackle the subject of recognizing Kosovo and the realization that Serbia committed crimes against humanity simply is missing among the people who run Serbia's affairs. For as long as that is missing Serbia can and will not become a member of the EU. As you said, right now it looks as it is a waste of time, money and effort. They obviously want to play with Russia, and the west should just let them walk into another disaster. It doesn't make sense to help somebody who doesn't even see they need help. We see this on a daily basis here on B92. Even surveys show that a majority of Serbs seem to think differently, the one's wich run the show obviously think otherwise. There is still too much hate in heads of many of those people, and an unwillingness to change that way of thinking. Serbia is doomed if it doesn't change.

Ari Iron,
150 000 serbs you say right?

A most comprehensive (October 2002) estimate (for the 1.9 million inhabitants) for these years:
92% Albanians
4% Serbs
4% Bosniaks, Turks, Romani and others


Since when is 4% out of 1.9 million 150 000?

Daniel you are wrong Serbia still owes Billions in War Reparations.
Serbia must pay all victims of the Greater Serbia Terrorism Campaign of the 1990's.

International Community demands this.
No NATO protection and no EU handouts until Serb theft of indigenous homelands are returned and victims compensated.

"Germans want Kosovo removed from Constitution"

I want Germans and Germany being removed from the Planet Earth.

Ah, Vecernje Novosti.

Never mind.

Willi Pfaff: Spot on my friend. It really is piss or get off the pot time for Serbia. Personally, I think they should give up on EU membership as they clearly do not want to cede to the demands being made of them. This would be the honourable course for them to follow and would save everyone a lot of wasted time, effort and money.

The GDP of EU is primarily driven by the Germans and thier productivity work ethics. There is very little time for eating chevapi drinking slevovits and farting all day in the midst of wasted gossip in cafe shops. Germans are highly educated logical and methodical in their approach and rationale thinking. Leave it to the Serbs for illogical and emotional reactions. The Germans have taken a phase approach to this issue. Phase 1, Take Kosova out of the serbian constitution. Phase 2, take Serbia out of Europe.

(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:45)
So only 76,000 Serbs left in Kosovo, I guess it is time to reduce that guaranteed amount of parliament seats from 10% to 4% right?

Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom.
(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:51)

That's obviously a LIE. You did not do a minimum research but just expressed your wish of what you want the facts to be but the facts do not match match your wishes.

The District Court in Gjilane on 19/05/2005 convicted Nexhat Ramadani to 16 years in prison because on 17/03/2004 he murdered Slobodan Peric in cooperation with others by chasing Mr. Peric with other accomplices as his property was attacked by a large angry crowd and hitting him twice with a stick once to his arms and once to his
head.

So, now you are a certified LIAR, joining our dear friend Leonidas in holding that distinguished title :)

"no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization"?!!! Oh dear, our friend Ari Gold is loosing it and has decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations whether Ari Gold chooses to see it or not lol
(icj1, 11 December 2014 19:46)

Maybe you have comprehension problems. Reread my comment a couple of times and you will understand what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2014 23:18)

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations

Let me remind you that not a single albanian, zero, noll, has been convicted for the atrocities against serbs during the 2004 pogrom.
(Daniel, 12 December 2014 16:51)

When you come on here and make outrageous claims that are total fabrications at least check to make sure Serbian media is not the ones that proves you are lying.
According to B92, 143 Albanians have been convicted for participation of crimes in 2004 but sources say that Serbia has not convicted anyone for the crimes committed against minorities in Serbia during March 2004.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=03&dd=17&nav_id=65852

"ccording to B92, 143 Albanians have been convicted for participation of crimes in 2004 but sources say that Serbia has not convicted anyone for the crimes committed against minorities in Serbia during March 2004. "

There were no crimes committed against minorites in Serbia during 2004, once again a lie and something that you made up. 38 years for 2 murders, 6,5 years per perpetrator for double murder. Albanian justice when it comes to serb lives.

Kosovo is economically unsustainable not matter how hard you wish it to be otherwise. Its only temporarily separate because the EU funds and runs everything there i.e. police. Judiciary administration etc.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Oh, I see. So, a failed state like Serbia will make Kosovo's economy sustainable lol
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All will depend on how Russia goes with Ukraine. If Russia capitulates then yes Kosovo is gone and no further questions on that mater, but if Russia wins then your gone.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Nobody has explained what the "win" would look like for Russia in Ukraine?! I'm sure even Vlad himself has any idea. He just started the adventure without thinking how to end it :)
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No matter how hard you may wish for it the west is losing its grip on everything and China has replaced the US as the world’s No1 economy while in the US they are haggling over the next trillion dollars they need to borrow.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

China has been the Number 1 economy in the world for 2000+ years, except from mid-19th century to now, so not sure where is the news :) However, how well people live is measured by economic output per capita and China is nowhere close to developed countries.

Well, I comprehend what you write, not what you have in mind lol and you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" which means that you have decided to live in denial because Kosovo is already part of several international organizations
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:05)

No you clearly have a comprehension problem. Re read my entire comment again and after a few tries it should sink in. I know Hoxha did a number on you guys, but you learned how to put sentences together, reading comprehension shouldn't be that hard.
(Ari Gold, 14 December 2014 08:31)

Well, you can continue to repeat like a child that "No you clearly have a comprehension problem" because you say so without providing any explanation. Repeating it does not make it true:)

The fact remains that what you wrote "no prospect for UN membership or any other international organization" means that you have decided to live in denial BECAUSE Kosovo is already part of several international organizations. I provided an explanation (the part of the sentence after "because" in case you have difficulties locating it), whereas you did not provide any explanation other than just because you say so lol

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:02)
Well CTC a question for you. If Russia is suffering from a recession then why is Japan in recession now? And why is Australia following it? And why is Germany on the edge and looks like going down that path?
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

Had the EU been cautious in taking members it would be a different story, but they were in fear that a resurgent Russia and now they are overstreched. These are all facts not fiction nor wishful thinking.
(sj, 11 December 2014 23:32)

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"Daniel you are wrong Serbia still owes Billions in War Reparations.
Serbia must pay all victims of the Greater Serbia Terrorism Campaign of the 1990's. "

Show me evidence and the sum you that serbia owes?

Oh, I see. I guess, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, "resurgent" is defined as declining population, loss of influence in the world,economy in recession, currency in free fall, inflation getting close the double digits and other good stuff like that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 13 December 2014 02:02)
Well CTC a question for you. If Russia is suffering from a recession then why is Japan in recession now? And why is Australia following it? And why is Germany on the edge and looks like going down that path?
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 15 December 2014 22:44)

Sorry, but where is the logical cause-effect link between "If Russia is suffering from a recession" and "then why is Japan in recession now"?!

You can certainly ask for the reasons why Japan or Tonga are in recession, but that does not necessarily have anything to do with Russia

(sj, 11 December 2014 13:35
You are dead wrong, Kostunica did not just reinforce it, they held a session and ADDED it to the constitution, without referendum, so why would you think they have to have a referendum to take it out. Do not remember Tadic ever trying to take it out.