PM: Abandoning of South Stream is bad news

Russia loves to use Serbia to its advantage, but they always screw them in the end. Russia likes to talk about a historical alliance with their fellow Orthodox Slavs, yet Putin just chose Turkey over Serbia because it's easier dealing with fellow authoritarian thugs like Erdogan. Russia has also legitimized the loss of Kosovo by annexing Crimea and using the Kosovo comparison. Russia is only in it for themselves and don't give a shit about Serbia except when it suits Putin's propaganda.

I thought Russia and Serbia were so very close and their go the Russians not telling Serbia a thing just continuolesy plays them. Another Serbian delusion flusht down the perverbial tiolet. It's ok their is perfectly good pipes running through Ukaraine and much cheaper then building another useless pipeline.

he will attend a UN Security Council session, he will "talk with the Russian president and other Russian officials."
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Russia is such a brotherly partner to Serbia... They didn't even give anyone in Serbia a courtesy call and let them read about it in the news.

Serbia is not the looser with this decision, it can only win more independance from Russia, and that is absolutly necessary. Western Europe doesn't need more russian gas, and any future pipline (TAP / Nabuco) will help in decreasing the depeandancy on russian oil. We, all of Europe should make a bigger effort to get away from fossil fuel like gas and start investing in clean and more efficient energy sources like wind, sun, water, etc. That's the way to go.
For Serbia this opens the door to distance itself more from the russian influence and make a step towards the EU. Freedom, independence, rule of law, openness, a better freer press, human rights, and most important peace with its neighbors can only be achieved with the EU, most certainly not with Russia and the current Vucic government. These people have to go, Serbia needs a better and more open government without all these creepy old representatives from its dark past.

Sj,

You're so bad at trying to hide your huge deception and FRUSTRATION !! lol
We all here remember your fantastic enthusiasm for this project which, according to your malaysian secret sources, was meant to give Serbia the leadership in the Balkans as far as gaz is concerned... wasn't it ??!!!

Serbia was supposed to blackmail Croatia every winter and bla bla bla

You were the first to minimize the role of the European corporations in the project, Gazprom being the BOSS and now surprisingly these ones had the leading role and would be the big losers ?? yes, gon on dreaming...

I can only imagine how much Gazprom has already wasted into that project just to get the approval of each European country...

So, dear friend, don't try, as Serbs do since 1389, to convert this slap in your face (by russian brother) into victory ! useless, we all red your comments here !

And as to Putin reducing gaz deliveries to Europe and make them freeze, not worth mentioning it, with oil reaching historic low and russian budget the same way...

Nice day !

oh i see, sj, so this was a tactical ploy by Putin? he is happy that the pipeline is now abandoned?

(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 10:52)

Your perverted fantasy you have thought up of which Serbia has some "dark" past (ironic, a overt Nazi talking about a dark past), while your clients from WWII are the victims is pathetic and laughable. The only problem is this narrative has clearly consumed your life to the point you feel obligated to spew racist lies and hatred on a daily basis.

You cannot achieve "independence" by joining the EU. Every member-state of the EU is only a country in name. Nearly all of the economic, social, political, judicial, foreign etc. are made by an unelected central commission dictatorship. The only national gov't that actually matters is Germany which is also the only country to have any benefit of EU membership. So the rest of Europe must liberate itself from this vileness once again. Not only do I not wish this monstrosity for my own country, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

In the 80s, the EU had 40% share of the global economy, today its 25% in 10 years it will be 15%. I realize you are retired, and who knows if you will see the downfall of the EU, but for the rest of us, its clear that the EU is in dramatic decline. A Russian province is certainly not something to aspire to, but neither is joining the 4th Reich.

(Stefan, 2 December 2014 11:20)

(Nikolle, 2 December 2014 11:09)
I find you guys so humerous. You found me out.
You guys are like a jackass that found a spinning wheel and doesn’t know what to do with it.
You read in the paper that falling oil prices are hurting Russia and its on the teetering on recession, but what you don’t know is that Japan is already in recession together with most EU countries. In fact even Australia is heading down that path and that is a place that has so far managed to escape a slow down. It’s called a worldwide affect.
All oil producing countries are finding it difficult with falling prices. It’s Saudi Arabia that is causing this to happen and something else that’s not mentioned. The US produces oil from shale which is a much more expensive process and the difference is funded by the US taxpayer and with falling price of oil it’s becoming more and more expensive. That’s the last thing the US needs.
Here is a little tip for you. South stream will be built.

Ari,

Hiding that Serbia has a dark recent past and not-so-light present doesn't do anything to help Serbia. It doesn't hide anything except maybe from yourself (and not even).

Now... please... enlighten us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".

Please. take the floor and tell us. I'm dying to hear your explanation.

I know you're be tempted to answer with, "you hate yourself, Danilo", but please try to refrain. You've already said this a million times and saying it a million and one neither answers the question nor adds anything.

So, please, tell us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".

@ Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 11:51 and his comments on Willi Pfaff:
Your perverted fantasy you have thought up of which Serbia has some "dark" past (ironic, a overt Nazi talking about a dark past), while your clients from WWII are the victims is pathetic and laughable. The only problem is this narrative has clearly consumed your life to the point you feel obligated to spew racist lies and hatred on a daily basis.

I do not see any hate against Serbs or Serbia in Pfaff's comments, but have noticed that you seem to be possessed with that person, and you are the one who is consumed with hate against him. You even wished death upon him in the past! That guy does not show any Nazi tendancies, he only tries to show Serbia that it has to change its ways in dealing with its own past, just like Germany did after WWII. That is good advice, but your reactions to him certainly show that you deal with this man in an unjustified, actually sick way. If anybody is full of hate and preoccupied it is you, certqainly not him.

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

LOL speaking of Clown Committees spinning BS

seems to me, the EU can still stick it to Russa if it really wants to

You under estimate Vladimir Putin at your peril and with announcement of cessation of construction of South Stream may have more to do with positioning in the game now being played by Russia and the west.
You have to remember that the major owners of this pipeline are EU corporations that have so far pumped billions upon billions of Euros in the project. These same corporations will now turn on the EU political leadership and demand either a change on the way South stream is being treated or seek compensation which would place the EU budget on an even greater strain. The money involved is enormous.
Putin now has driven a wedge between Turkey and its NATO partners by signing up on a huge trade deal with Ankara, which the US does not like for one minute. In addition, Russia has brought to reality a number of projects much earlier than the west estimated and Putin can issue a take it or leave it ultimatum.
All Russia now has to do is reduce the amount of gas being sold to the EU and industry stops or they freeze. I’ve never seen this level of bungling from the west much like standing on a chair putting a noose around their necks and threatening anyone who comes close they will kick the chair from under their feet. Meanwhile Vlad is saying kick it now LOL.

Serbia, stuck as it is in the middle of the EU cesspit, needs to become self-sufficient in food and energy. Food is easily achievable, energy is more problematic, but not impossible. Serbia should start construction of the Djerdap 3 hydro-electric power station which would almost double electricity production. It should expand its coal-burning power generating capacity to make better use of its abundant coal supplies. It should install photo-voltaic cells on every house, school and office in Serbia to exploit Serbia's ideal strategic location for solar power (Serbia is a better location that North Africa because solar panels don't work well when it's too hot.) Serbia also needs to construct more gas storage facilities so that it can withstand supply problems due to ongoing problems in the Ukraine (the crisis in the Ukraine will continue for at least another 20+ years.

The cancellation of South Stream is bad for Serbia, but with wisdom and investment Serbia may get closer to energy security. I think EU countries may have greater problems.

Really what will happen with NIS now? Gazprom may want to sell it now. If that happens it will be interesting to see the price it will sell it for. It bought it for what, $400 million? Or maybe they will decide to keep it for some time, see if things change.

Poor sj, he had such high hopes on the South Stream. He thought Serbia would have been able to stop the gas and let Germany, Croatia, and other countries freeze, if they did not comply with Serbia's requests, LOL.
Don't worry sj, something else will come along to make Serbia powerful, this is not the end :).

a world wide effect which Russia is immune to? whilst i agree that the pipe line will probably go ahead at some point, this idea that Russia can play havoc with Europe that you have enthusiastically maintained is so far fetched that its not even fantasy. but don't worry sj, this is all a Putin ploy to get the EU to beg before its new master and its loyal servant, Serbia, will get the reward in the end. apparently, everyone is poor, but Russia. so rich in fact, that it blinks when just a tiny bit of pressure is applied

(Nikolle, 2 December 2014 12:21)

I have never said that Russia is immune to world trends. Gazprom is a minor share holder in the pipeline and yes it will lose out if it’s not built but not as much as its western partners and guess who these corporations are going to seek compo from? Not Gazprom but the EU. Here is a fact not spelled out too often. Russia is the no1 oil producing country in the world.
The EU relies on Russian gas so what happens if Russia reduces the volume being pumped by 2/3s? Think now, please think very hard.
Or perhaps ask yourself why doesn’t the EU levy more sanctions on Russia????? Think it through.

This is bad for Serbia which.has been let down - although maybe Vucic knew already. But this is a humiliation for Putin. Gazproms profits are down, oil prices falling further. Russia is not forging ahead economically as sone predicted a few yrs ago.
Pro western forces in the government will use this for a more pro western position..

So, please, tell us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".
(Danilo, 2 December 2014 12:16)

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs in support of Nazi Germany's collaborators during WWII- the Albanians and Croats. Willi Pfaff supports further German domination of Europe under the guise of the EU.

German nationalism, support for former Nazi client states, domination of Europe... pretty overtly Nazi to me.

Russia and Turkey working with each other must be good for Serbia, just like the agreement they reached in 1812 when Russia agreed to give Serbia back to Turkey.

Nikolic must feel good about the parade he organized for the arrival of Putin to Belgrade after this announcement was made from Turkey. Not even a courtesy call?

That's your mother Russia and daddy Turkey for you Serbs.

Crashing Ruble is better for Russia, because thats why every state wants a really weak economy.

Food price inflation is perfect because now we can buy domestic products, not the ones we wanted. And we get to buy less, more expensively.

We Didn't want those carriers anyways, thats why we ordered them.

Don't want to sell gas to Europe, we'll sell it to China cheaper and make less. Pipeline wont be ready for 6 years, well store it in really big balloons until then, while we make no money.

We could walk all over Ukraine in 2 weeks. Donetsk airport might take longer than Stalingrad though.

We dont need south stream, we have other customers, to which we have no pipeline either.

Russian weapons are awesome. Just look at that carrier plough through the seas, towed by an oceangoing tugboat, because engines are nazi.

Sanctions are good for us, actually so good we are sanctioning us self too!

Russia are financing every extremist political rightwing party we can find in Europe because we hate nazis

Everybody will buy our gas despite us setting arbitrary prices and constantly threatening our customers

Russia is the best place to live even though every single study shows Russians living standards are below most of Europe

EU is decadent and will collapse but they expand and new members states join in

Ari Gold,

Your comments consist of personal attacks, conspiracy theories, machismo, whining, blaming others for your shortcomings, hateful, shameful, homophobic and xenophobic remarks.

In short, you and everyone else on this forum know what you are. There's little hope for you.
Just so you don't feel lonely, you're not the only one here.

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 14:22)


Haven't seen a single example of this. Can you provide a quotation?

It would seem that you're the one being "racist", connecting his "germanness" with points that he's making.

Also, I'll point out that you've tried to humiliate him with pictures that you thought were him and wished death on him.

Buahahahaaaaaa! Lol! Lol!

I can't wait to hear how the Serbian Clown Committee spins this one here at B92!

I'll tell you what just happened. Serbia got screwed and mother Russia doesn't give a donkey's a$$!!!!! Lol!

Can't you feeeeeeeeel the love from mother Russia? Lol

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.

Serbia has no dark past, Serbs simply tried to do the best for their country.

Putin proved once more that russia is not to be trusted, and that the current serbian government made a big mistake in drafting their policy assuming russian support. These mistakes are serious

Amazing how many Albanian trolls are here today trying to spin BS. Russia has secured an energy agreement with Turkey, it's second largest consumer after Germany. Germany has secured its gas supply with Russia through Nord Stream. Now the EU has messed up and stopped South Stream, so the South Eastern European nations that need the investment, transit fees and energy security lose it because of the EU.

Fortunately, most of the people of the region will see this as an EU problem more than Russian abandonment. The EU has created a disaster for the Balkan economies and energy security. Putin outsmarts them again. Lets see how this develops over the next few day. I think a lot of those people laughing now will regret it soon.

Russia loves to use Serbia to its advantage, but they always screw them in the end. Russia likes to talk about a historical alliance with their fellow Orthodox Slavs, yet Putin just chose Turkey over Serbia because it's easier dealing with fellow authoritarian thugs like Erdogan. Russia has also legitimized the loss of Kosovo by annexing Crimea and using the Kosovo comparison. Russia is only in it for themselves and don't give a shit about Serbia except when it suits Putin's propaganda.
(LK, 2 December 2014 16:56)

I don't believe in the whole "historical alliance" thing either. There is no true friendship with any governments of the world. That said, Russia had every intention to build the South Stream Pipeline when it purchased NIS and only recently that has been side-tracked by the problems between Russia and the EU.

Russia didn't "choose" Turkey over Serbia lmao learn your geography you simpleton. Serbia is in southeast Balkans and the pipeline has to come from Bulgaria and go onto the EU countries in order for South Stream to work. How the hell is it going to come to Serbia if the EU central commission has forced its member vassals not to participate? Turkey for all its faults is an independent country and signed onto a pipeline deal because they aren't bound by Brussels.

Ari said: ...How can carving out organs be "normal"? How can overt Nazism be normal? In what world do you live in, dinosaur?...
How many times this organ harvesting theory has been debunked here?
Here is again, from the chief prosecutor Williamson, he said ZERO evidence.
http://www.infobalkans.com/2014/07/29/williamson-no-evidence-human-organ-trafficking
It is this kind of ignorance and lack of fact finding attitude that promotes hate in Serbia.
All individual acts of violence are given air time and promoted ad infinitum when it is against Serbs, yet the Serb state organised genocide against the neighboring countries is totally ignored.
Pfaff, continue your good work, you are the voice of reason in those forums. I wish more Serbs would espouse your views, our country will be better for it. God bless you.

You've said it many times here that organ harvesting was necessary as "revenge" of the fantasized crimes you've imagined Serbia has committed.
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 21:30)

As usual, nothing but dirty lies from Mr. Gold. Show me one comment I made where I justify the so called 'organ harvesting', which as everybody, except you, knows is not proven in Williamson's report. He specificly says that there is no proof for it. The only thing I ever said is is, that in case it will be proven, I will be the first one to condemn it.

Look at all these trolls here what a joke. What an achievement in life that must be to become an internet troll lol

Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92?


Serving tea and coffee???

Thanks Danielo, and thanks Observer for defending me against Ari Golds continued personal attacks on me here on B92. His behavior just shows that there is something wrong with him and that I touched a sensitive point in him. A normal person wouldn't write or react the way he does, and that man is driven by hate against anybody and anything which doesn't fit into his limited nationalistic view, especially against the EU and Germany, and obviously me. So he copy and pasts his crap every day.
I have fought against nationalism and fascism my entire life, no matter where it is in the world, becuause I realized that extreme nationalism like Ari for instance shows leads to fascim, well, most times goes hand in hand. Nobody, no country, no ethnic group has the right to put themself above others, rule over others, or start wars to achieve this. I have learned this from my own country's history, and like most people here are able to positivly refelct on it and learn something from the horrible and in any way inexcusable way Germany acted durg the Nazi rule. All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country, get those dark demons under control, and find peace for all people in the Balkans. I will continue this, no matter Ari Gold likes it or not.

For Serbia this opens the door to distance itself more from the russian influence and make a step towards the EU. Freedom, independence, rule of law, openness, a better freer press, human rights, and most important peace with its neighbors can only be achieved with the EU, most certainly not with Russia and the current Vucic government. These people have to go, Serbia needs a better and more open government without all these creepy old representatives from its dark past.
(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 10:52)

Serbia needs to tighten the relations with Russia and be as far away from the 4th reich as possible. But of course a german like you would like for the eu to conquer every single country in europe so you germans can rule which is exactly what the UK has realized. You have not changed a bit since ww2, just use different methods. Talking about freedom and democracy, the EU is just another tool that the US uses to impose "freedom" and "democracy" wherever they wish, ask the people in Syria, Libya, Egypt and Iraq what they think of your kind of "freedom".

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training!
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

Err, no thanks. The thought of Hash's thugs armed to the teeth is quite frankly disturbing and frightening in equal measure.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.

All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country, get those dark demons under control, and find peace for all people in the Balkans. I will continue this, no matter Ari Gold likes it or not.
(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 17:17)

I do hope you do continue. It gives me great comic joy to see a hateful old man spending the twilight of his life spreading racism and historical revisionism which he can then take to God when his time comes.

But what you define as "normal" is something Serbia needs to steer far away as possible from. For you, heroin routes and harvesting organs is "normal" as long as the organs are Serbian. You've said it many times here that organ harvesting was necessary as "revenge" of the fantasized crimes you've imagined Serbia has committed.

How can carving out organs be "normal"? How can overt Nazism be normal? In what world do you live in, dinosaur?

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 14:22)


Haven't seen a single example of this. Can you provide a quotation?

It would seem that you're the one being "racist", connecting his "germanness" with points that he's making.

Also, I'll point out that you've tried to humiliate him with pictures that you thought were him and wished death on him.
(Danilo, 2 December 2014 15:05)

You have to understand, Ari's grandfather died in the Holocaust, he fell off a guard tower at Auschwitz.

Hey I’m a Serb and this is a Serbian based media site not Albanian.
(sj, 3 December 2014 12:04)
True, this is a Serbian based media site, as far as you being Serbian I believe it but only taking your word for it and that does not carry much weight. But this site is in English for an appeal to international readers, it also posts opposing views which shows it also is appealing to international readers, I have to wonder why when you post you choose the English site instead of the Serbian one as there you would have a more attentive audience with people that are less likely to be exposed to international news sources and therefore would be less likely to see through this cloak of superior knowledge you want people to think you have.
Your claims of how the workings of Serbia and Russia work and that Serbia would be able to turn on and off the oil to Europe at a personal whim (with the blessing of Russia) has only shown you know nothing about how international politics and economies work. You are a nationalist and cannot see past that, you will forever be blinded to what life is really about.

I'll give you some context here, the SS pipe line was in the works since 2007. In 2009 the EU suddenly changed its rules which were retroactively applied to SS (but not to North Stream which supplies Germany) which would have meant that Gasprom would have had to share the pipeline it had build. Russia was contesting this in the WTO which accused the EU of violating international norms. Then in January this year the Bulgarian government announced that it was suspending its portion of the project (interestingly this came just after a visit from a delegation of US senators including John Mccain and enormous pressure from the EU). This blocked the pipe line and there was no reason to spend billions building a pipeline under the sea only to be useless at the other side. Putin has called the EUs bluff and is now going to build a new pipeline in Turkey with an agreement from the discredited and desperate Erdogan, further splitting the Nato alliance and maybe getting a deal to leave Syria alone.

Abandoning? More like redirecting. Not that this benefits Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary, or Bosnia. The real winner unfortunately is Erdogan's emerging Pashalik whose country South Stream originally intended to bypass. Now with the huge investment Putin has made in Turkey, it gives Ankara even more leverage away from Europe and places possible future dependency on whatever extensions a new pipeline has for Greece and SE Europe at Turkey's discretion.

But what people should really be asking is what's to become of NIS, which was sold off to Russia in anticipation of this project at garage sale prices? Sadly, no one's going to investigate this, and the EU is going to applaud this rhetorical move as a way of stemming Russia's influence in the Balkans, at the same time as it turns up the heat through pipes it secured through North Stream.

Divide et impera Russian style and a big wake up call for the US imposed quisling cult acting as "government". Bulgaria who is 100% dependent on Russian gas (like the Russophobe baltic states, Banderastan and Poland)sure know how to shoot their feets off, and getting absolutely nothing in return, not even a band aid because their patron is the €USSR/Titanic on it´s last voyage past the ice berg, down the abyss.

But nevermind that. The €Urofags will have to let go of their leverage choke-hold on the "ukraine" and stop diktating Russia what to do, it doesn´t work that way. If they want gas it´ll have to be by re-routing problem spots and fascist-states, North stream is up and running, bypassing the baltic states and Poland. No more transit money for them, so sad, really. South stream will eventually be completed. Bypassing Banderastan and suddenly their zio-con patrons will drop that hot potatoe too...

to RK the 2nd

Good joke but don't be panic as it's just a counter blackmail. Besides 25% of the South Sream volumes were initially designed for Turkey and only 75% for Europe. Now the Sultan will take his share and deliver the gas through Greece. Anyway it's bargaining time and it's too early to predict anything. Let's wait and see the developments. But the joke was a good one !

This is not a good news for Serbia says Serbian PM, while Serbian commentators are trying to say that is something good for Serbia.

It looks that for Serbs every loss is perceived as victory.

Anyway, TAP project which was approved will go through Greece,Albania and Italy and it will be very important. Indeed Albania will profit by this project, regardless what Ari Gold and other Nazi-Serbs may think.
In this case as in many cases before Russia through Serbia under the bus.
I like to hear what Peggy has to say.
It was a good Christmas gift from your mother Russia switching Serbia for Turkey. Lol.

This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.
(sj, 3 December 2014 09:41)
Have you ever seen anyone about these delusions of grandeur you obviously suffer from? Such suffering you have had to endure over the past years, such a challenge to a superior intellect. Such a devotion in human sacrifice for a cause no one has seen. But it is time sj to come down off the cross, someone needs the wood.
Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92? No one believes you, even those on your "supposed" side do not rally to your support. You have been proven wrong on so many fronts that it is getting pathetic. The things you do get right are common knowledge printed in thousands of news sources around the globe, but yet you rush to B92 to be the Paul Revere of western gloom to announce the new world order as it arrives.
Your announcement of the recessions that are happening, do you not know that no one is on a straight line as far as economics go, recessions, inflations, are all curves in the road. Both China and Russia are headed for a recession or already in one.
Maybe it is time to take a couple of pills and lie down and reduce this enormous stress you are in.

Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity???. Why???
(sj, 3 December 2014 11:44)
I think most of think the same thing when reading your comments, stupidity intermingled with some false sense of superiority.

"By the way China is the no. 1 economy in the world so what do you think will happen if it goes in a recession???? What the west will have a force field of made of freedom and democracy to avoid this problem?"
One of the most humorous statements you can make, as one a couple of years now everyone has asked (when you boasted of how the US was going to collapse) did you think that China and Russia were immune and you claimed they were not dependent on US and would only turn to the east.

" Recently in the US the Democrats lost in both Congress and the Senate. Why??? "
I would have thought that a learned person as yourself would see that over many presidential terms, as a president enters the end of his term, the power of congress shifts to the opposing party. Thus the term lame duck president.
" Joe Stiglitz, a Nobel winner in economics was in Sydney in August and he was saying the US is in serious trouble."
Suddenly, the term "Nobel winner" gives a level of credibility in your eyes but I did not see that with other winners such as Obama and Ahtisaari.
I don't deny the problems in America, but I say we can work through them.

The EU relies on Russian gas so what happens if Russia reduces the volume being pumped by 2/3s? Think now, please think very hard.
(sj, 2 December 2014 13:08)
Such a putz! The answer is easy as winter is upon us the EU will have a tough time but alternative sources will be found raising the price of gas for those countries. The EU will make sure not to ever be dependent on Russian oil again. Russia currently supplies 30% of the EU demand so it will hurt but will not be devastating. And Russia will forever lose a integral customer.
Russia will by the way suffer greatly with the loss of income(it is going to be years or decades before Asia can come close to filling the void. So Russians will sink to the living standards of third world countries while sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world. As far as other countries Gazprom may be a minor partner but in Serbia it is the major partner, they will make up their profits from the backs of ordinary Serbs. Putin is behaving like a cornered snake, striking out as there is no other way out.
By the way what does this mean to the fact that you have repeatedly pointed out that Serbia would CONTROL the valves of oil flowing into Europe and therefore control Europe?
A song comes to mind---OH Happy Day.....

You could not be Albanian, you are simply too petty.
(The Count of Kosova, 3 December 2014 07:19)

Oh the irony! Lol

(a New day, 3 December 2014 10:45)
My little Albo friend I did not announce those recessions. They are facts just look them up. About 3 weeks ago Japan announced that its economy is now officially in recession. Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity????
It not just China and Russia, but the rest are either in that predicament or heading that way. Hey, Germany stated its economy is close to recession. By the way China is the no. 1 economy in the world so what do you think will happen if it goes in a recession???? What the west will have a force field of made of freedom and democracy to avoid this problem?
Recently in the US the Democrats lost in both Congress and the Senate. Why??? People are working harder and longer hours, but their dollar is buying less and less. Hello does that sound like a good economy??????????? These are not “curves in a road”, but serious problems. Joe Stiglitz, a Nobel winner in economics was in Sydney in August and he was saying the US is in serious trouble.
I suggest you get off what you are taking and perhaps you might see clearly for a change.

a New day, 3 December 2014 10:45)
Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92?
Hey I’m a Serb and this is a Serbian based media site not Albanian.

@ mr.SJ
Actually in Italy-France and Germany people from the SS shareholder are opening their bottles of champagne ! This project was completly out of the market now ! Consumpion in EU is tumbling every year, new SUPPLIER ARE TRYING DESPERATLY TO PUT A FOOT IN EU market .. SS was a total nonsense with these market conditions !!

Or perhaps ask yourself why doesn’t the EU levy more sanctions on Russia????? Think it through.
(sj, 2 December 2014 13:08)

What happens to NIS now the sale is done for South Stream?

Russia has its interest at hand and why have they not shut the gas yet to EU? They did stop food imports you know what will happen to Russian economy their interest rate is at 9.5% they will need 200% not to repeat 1998.

But again what happens to NIS?

Well, this is bad old news. When you have bad news it hurts less when you have it gradually.

First they said that S.S. was in competition (and had much more advantages) with TAP. When TAP won, they said that S.S. had nothing to do with TAP. And then they said "OK China is now on top priority but S.S. is still on the list". And now... Russia is abandoning S.S. so that E.U. should cry for it.

Willing or not, Serbia has no other way but to go West. The only question is how much painful this turn will be. More stubborn, more pain.

The cancellation of South Stream is bad for Serbia, but with wisdom and investment Serbia may get closer to energy security. I think EU countries may have greater problems.
(Michael Thomas, 2 December 2014 12:07)

Perhaps the most sane comment here amid all the triumphalism and chest beating.

It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget. I think this will reinforce minds in Serbia not to put all its eggs into one basket (Russia) but spread it out. It will also enable Serbia to explore alternative energy sources such as renewables.

As for Serbia, my old man says it best, two feet, one in the West, the other in the East. Maybe the locksmith from Kumrovec was right.

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training!
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

Err, no thanks. The thought of Hash's thugs armed to the teeth is quite frankly disturbing and frightening in equal measure.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

Before criticizing other people's English, perhaps you should correct the mistakes in your second sentence. They are far more serious than his simple typo.

You could not be Albanian, you are simply too petty.

What happens to NIS now the sale is done for South Stream?

Russia has its interest at hand and why have they not shut the gas yet to EU? They did stop food imports you know what will happen to Russian economy their interest rate is at 9.5% they will need 200% not to repeat 1998.

But again what happens to NIS?
(Atila, 2 December 2014 14:33)

Psst. South stream will go ahead. It’s all a game. Don’t worry about NIS.

"The education system has failed."

I couldn't agree more. If you're opinions are a window into the education system, it has failed and failed big time

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?
(cry me a river, 2 December 2014 14:44)
This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.
(sj,

YOu've let us know on numerous occasions that you're an expert at economics. Now, it appears you're a legal genius as well. BTW, I have been in boardrooms of big business a few times. Of course, not as many times as you. But, that's another conversation.
It appears that you do have the time an space to explain. You're very active here. So, why don't you try to answer my questions.
How can business sue a union such as EU if their laws state that the SS is illegal?
Someone as learned as yourself should be able to answer my questions in a paragraph or two.

My little friend I did not announce those recessions. They are facts just look them up. About 3 weeks ago Japan announced that its economy is now officially in recession. Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity????
(sj, 3 December 2014 11:44)

sj,
There is nothing more pathetic than a mediocre mind stating the obvious!

"You have to remember that the major owners of this pipeline are EU corporations that have so far pumped billions upon billions of Euros in the project."

Can you be more specific? How much ownership, and how much investment to date?


"These same corporations will now turn on the EU political leadership and demand either a change on the way South stream is being treated or seek compensation which would place the EU budget on an even greater strain."

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?

Southstream dead and TAP under construction. That is all what you have to say when it comes to the question who uses his alliances more cleverly..

willi pfaff said, "... All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country."

Absolutely untrue! Your rude, condescending comments about Serbs and Serbia on B92 prove otherwise. Your personal attacks of an entire nation collectively and repeatedly tell the truth.

Your bias is so obvious.

Just a few days ago you used the word 'looser" to describe Serbia and it's people. You previously stated, "You (Serbia) have no right to become part of the free west. We do not want people like you(Serbs).

Well, I can't imagine anyone wanting you to help be what you consider your questionable idea of "normal".

Actually in Italy-France and Germany people from the SS shareholder are opening their bottles of champagne ! This project was completly out of the market now ! Consumpion in EU is tumbling every year, new SUPPLIER ARE TRYING DESPERATLY TO PUT A FOOT IN EU market .. SS was a total nonsense with these market conditions !!
(Luigi, 2 December 2014 14:31)
I find it very strange that EU corporations went into this deal with Gazprom knowing that consumption is falling and new players are at the front door. Maybe you know something they don’t. Italy and France are in recession and its getting worse.

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

You better hope it’s not the top notch weaponry or training used in Afghanistan or Iraq because they lost there. LOL. Mate the west would not piss on the Albanians if they were on fire. They bombed the crap out of your lot in 1999.

by the way Bekim, before you jump onto spelling errors, I recognize that there is a typo on my previous post (your opinions not you're).

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.
(Reader, 3 December 2014 16:11)

Judging his written English, I doubt Bekim has ever been to school.

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?
(cry me a river, 2 December 2014 14:44)
This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.
(Reader, 3 December 2014 16:11)

Hey Reader, read this:

Bekim might've missed a couple of commas, but he hit a home run with the content of his posts. Did you ask Bekim if he proofread his comments before posting them? No. Did you ask him if he cares that he left out the commas? No.
Alrighty then. Now go back and read his comments again, and imagine the commas being where you might think
they should be. Does that now change the fact that he is right on with his comments? Another no.
Besides, instead of splitting hairs, why aren't you out there with the Count splitting stolen wood? Winter's coming.

The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.
(sj, 4 December 2014 13:06)

sj,
You must be confused and referring to Russia. btw, Is Putin a Democrat or Communist? Why is he giving amnesty to all Russians that "illegally" took THEIR money out of Russia, provided, of course, they bring the money back and put it into Putin's bank. Vlad must have a very low opinion of his fellow Russians' intelligence.

"This is where it is interesting. Unlike the west where they do own them and tell people like you that you voted them in power, Putin is on top of the mound and he has no master."

oh dear. putin is the exception to the rule(!) how about china? does ali baba own them all?

so, if i am to take your argument at face value, really, the true leaders, those who honestly represent the population are dictators. its excellent. pack up people, North Korea is the place to be. i honestly enjoy reading the total nonsensical garbage that you post here. and believe me i will forever read it, not for its intellectual insight, but for its stupidity and comedic value, not that its funny, but that its so stupid we call it funny. when Putin dies, will the next leader be controlled by corporations do you think?

I apologise for attempting to enlighten you as it seems you really are a believer in western democracy and when you go and vote and elect an official he/she looks after your interests LOL. You poor bastard. If you feel that breez its because you have no cloths.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

No need mate to enlighten any body. Everybody does what feels better for him/her. As of now, people feel better in a western democracy. Perhaps they are ignorant, but hey that's how they feel. Unfortunately people are not convinced with words, even though your words as CE of B92 forums are so wise. People are convinced from what they see or experience :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.
(sj, 4 December 2014 13:06)
One thing about it no one can claim you do not have a vivid imagination. The only problem you have lived in this imaginary world so long you can no longer distinguish between truth and fiction.
Well the above post is nothing but fiction. There is no such writing or clause in the US Constitution.
Maybe, if you were to actually read the constitution you might see the difference in the US and Russia, or the west and Russia.
For anyone who cares to be a US Representative you must be at least 25 years of age and a citizen of the US for at least 7 years. To be a Senator you must be at least 30 years old and a citizen of the US for 9 years and you must be a resident of the state you represent at the time of election. In order to be president you must be at least 35 years of age and a natural born citizen of the US.
But you do not have to have any amount of wealth for any of these offices, nor own any land. Don't know what anyone could expect to gain by telling a bold face lie to say you do, but I guess it establishes the credibility in everything else they say. Is it true of BS, 99% of the time it is the latter.

South Stream is dead. Now Serbia has developed Weak Stream.

I would suggest Serbia gets its Prostate checked out. There is medication that can alleviate weak stream symptoms.

I would suggest Serbia gets its Prostate checked out. There is medication that can alleviate weak stream symptoms.
(Captain Kosova, 4 December 2014 00:06)
Sadly, boy the west has been prodding your prostate for years and you don’t even know it. LOL

LOL @Don't mess with Bekim,

it was actually "Bekim" who started splitting hairs and talking about education systems having failed (he extrapolated this knowledge from a typo, isn't that crazy?).

About the content of what "Bekim" says, read this:
"What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English. "

I think both you and I can agree that there is nothing disturbing or frightening about keyboard warriors. The fact that keyboard warriors make typos disturbs and frightens "Bekim", however, LOL.

P.S. It is "Bekim", not Bekim :).

You must be confused and referring to Russia. btw, Is Putin a Democrat or Communist? Why is he giving amnesty to all Russians that "illegally" took THEIR money out of Russia, provided, of course, they bring the money back and put it into Putin's bank. Vlad must have a very low opinion of his fellow Russians' intelligence.
(Moderate Serb, 5 December 2014 06:28

I have never disguised my ethnic background so why bother with this moderate Serb business? Your an Albo and be proud of being an Ilyrian or something like that. I doubt you know what your asking here. Im talking about the US.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.

Oh dear Lord please give me a break from these people. The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:40)
Stop writing lies and BS and you would get your wish, but then again you would not have anything to post if you cut out that would you, other than your insults.
No you specifically said that they put it in the constitution that only people of wealth could run for office, I gave you what restrictions the constitution does give for running for office. It may or may not have been what they believed but the fact is they did NOT incorporate that concept into the Constitution of the United States.
You apparently do not understand what a democracy is, the leaders are elected by a majority of the people, should a third or fourth party gain a majority of supporters then they would gain control. We do have individuals that run as independents that do get elected to congress.
But the US is unlike those great democracies like your Serbia where you have a 100 parties and then following election the major parties meet behind closed doors with the smaller ones promising positions and money to creat a majority. I think a lot of people like to call that political corruption instead of democracy.
You get your info on the US from anti-US rags and just creating it, and I get mine from primary, secondary and college studies along with living within the system for my entire 50+ years.

(cry me a river, 3 December 2014 15:53)

Once again I state I am not an economist, never have been nor have I studied economics. Since you have been to boardrooms you would know how it’s done. For Corporations to commence a project “all ducks have to be aligned”. These companies do not wake up one morning and decide that it’s a good idea to borrow billions to build a pipeline without getting all the right approvals from governments. The building of SS was approved by various governments well in advance. This is only Brussels now playing games. Now Russia has declared its abandoning SS the EU countries will start screaming at Brussels and to cut a long story short, SS will be built – its all agame.
However let’s say that the coprs did not get approval then the next move is to go to Brussels and seek to offset for their losses against present and future profits. Whichever way they will clean up all at the EU taxpayer’s expense – its called a win win scenarion. Remember corporations own politicians.

"Remember corporations own politicians" ...so which corporation owns Putin?

"Remember corporations own politicians" ...so which corporation owns Putin?
(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 10:36)
This is where it is interesting. Unlike the west where they do own them and tell people like you that you voted them in power, Putin is on top of the mound and he has no master.

oh dear. putin is the exception to the rule(!) how about china? does ali baba own them all?
(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 12:26)

No Putin is not the exception. China is the same. I’m fascinated that people like you think that the populace of the west actually vote politiicnas into power and they do the people’s bidding. They may have 100 years ago (but I doubt it) but today that will never happen as it’s an illusion. In the US the political parties rely on funding and that funding comes from corporations. In fact the parties themselves are run by wealthy people. The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.

(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 13:19)

No I did not say that at all. What is it with you people and North Korea? There are plenty of dictatorship in Africa and Asia???? Its because TV talks about it all the time – its called brainwahsing. There are good and bad governments in both democracy and dictatorships look at China. Its a dictatorship and its also No1 economy in the world and has over 350 million middle class. China did not get to that position without the government. Putin is good for Russia. Who do you think runs the US? The voter? LOL..
I apologise for attempting to enlighten you as it seems you really are a believer in western democracy and when you go and vote and elect an official he/she looks after your interests LOL. You poor bastard. If you feel that breez its because you have no cloths.

There are good and bad governments in both democracy and dictatorships look at China.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Absolutely, the only difference being that the only way people can remove a bad government in dictatorship is by taking up arms. That's such a wonderful place to live in.
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Its a dictatorship and its also No1 economy in the world and has over 350 million middle class. China did not get to that position without the government.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Well, not sure being a big dictatorship is a big achievement. The achievement is not having 1.5 billion people, but to make the lives of those people better.
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Putin is good for Russia.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Absolutely. What other country has the privilege to have a leader like that that who involves the country in foreign adventures, causes its currency to collapse, increases inflation and makes the country's influence in the world close to nil.
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Who do you think runs the US? The voter? LOL..
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect
(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:58)
Its answers all questions. The voters.... LOL, LOL. What an idiot!!! Barnum once said “There’s one born every minute” LOL and the CTC is a very good example. I can’t believe how stupid CTC is. LOl, LOl I’ll be saving this and laughing for a long time LOL. This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests. CTC you level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:59) As of now, people feel better in a western democracy...

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I'm not sure what "western news" you're following, but you may wish to consult the African American minority in St. Louis or New York

(pss, 5 December 2014 15:27)

Oh dear Lord please give me a break from these people. The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office. Im pointing out the overall system in the US and you talk about being 25 to hold office.
However, since you see it differently how many parties other than Democrats and republicans have held power in the last 180 years? I assume you subscribe to the theory that the US is a democracy so there should be at least once or twice in the last 180 years where another party has won office.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.
(Nikolle, 5 December 2014 13:56)
Which corproations are they? Perhaps you might name the ones that donate funds to their election campaigns LOL.

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect
(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:58)

Its answers all questions. The voters.... LOL, LOL. What an idiot!!! Barnum once said “There’s one born every minute” LOL and the CTC is a very good example. I can’t believe how stupid CTC is. LOl, LOl I’ll be saving this and laughing for a long time LOL. This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests. CTC you level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 5 December 2014 12:13)

Not sure why you cited my post because I said nowhere "that person looks after thier interests". Perhaps you were referring to the CE of B92 forums sj when you say " This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests".

I said "It's the people the voters elect" who run the US. I did not say that those people do necessarily look after voters interest'. All politicians look after their own interests. Only some naives believe that people like Putin are like Jesus :)
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The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:40)

That makes total sense. Since the CE of B92 forums sj spoke personally with that "group of people" he/she does absolutely know what he/she is talking about.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:59) As of now, people feel better in a western democracy...

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I'm not sure what "western news" you're following, but you may wish to consult the African American minority in St. Louis or New York
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 6 December 2014 07:15)

That's great advice, so I did and did not find people wishing to move to Russia, China, India or Serbia.

Note, I said "better" not "ideal". That's because nobody is saying that the West is perfect, but is better than places like Russia, China, India or Serbia.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.
(Nikolle, 5 December 2014 13:56)
Which corproations are they? Perhaps you might name the ones that donate funds to their election campaigns LOL.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:43)

Donate funds to their elections campaigns?! They aren't stupid! What would the purpose be to donate funds to their election campaigns - that's a meaningless exercise. They donate the funds directly to the bank accounts of the Russian and Chinese leaders.

(pss, 6 December 2014 02:47)

My dear fellow I know what democracy is, but I think you are confused. The founding fathers had that intended so that only landed gentry could attain high office since they did not think the rabble was capable of running the country. There were no poor people amongst the authors of the document. It’s a fact that even your most eminent historians have admitted to.
The political system in the US is called democracy, but in fact it’s not. It’s a guided democracy and that means you are pointed in the right direction by the media who to vote for i.e Republican or Democrat. The education system instils in you that the system you have is democracy. The Italians are closer to democracy than what you have because real democracy means more than just two parties. What you want is called representative democracy and you will never get it in the US. If you try, Ferguson will look like a picnic compared to the force your government will use on its people.
You have a system that has created near identical parties, or as Gore Vidal said one conservative party with two branches. There is very little difference between those parties, but with the help of the media they look like they are miles apart. We have an identical system in Australia.
The US is just as or maybe more corrupt with only 2 parties as the country which has 100.

That makes total sense. Since the CE of B92 forums sj spoke personally with that "group of people" he/she does absolutely know what he/she is talking about.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 6 December 2014 19:58)

Alas I know that backward people like you believe in hexes, spells and speaking to the dead but try getting an education and you’ll be pleasantly surprised. They do teach plenty at University.

Donate funds to their elections campaigns?! They aren't stupid! What would the purpose be to donate funds to their election campaigns - that's a meaningless exercise. They donate the funds directly to the bank accounts of the Russian and Chinese leaders.
(icj1, 7 December 2014 18:20)
As you have more information than the rest which corproations are they? And which banks?

There is very little difference between those parties, but with the help of the media they look like they are miles apart. We have an identical system in Australia.
(sj, 8 December 2014 07:44)
You are true on one front, BOTH parties and the Australian govt supports an independent Kosovo.
Curious as to which countries you can name that the "rabble" actually run the country. It is usually the land owners and people with some money at least that can afford to take the time from their families and earning a living to get involved with politics-in any society.
We can argue about the intentions of the fore fathers all you wish but what is written in the constitution is concrete and you cannot quote anything in there that even comes close to supporting your lies. Just admit it you made it up and move on, just like most of the "facts" you possess.
I will choose the US system of govt over any other anytime, as a perfect system does not exist.
I see you answering a lot of fan mail on here lately, you do have quite a lot of time on your hands, don't you, maybe you should consider running for office.
By the way, I worked with a bunch of Australians at the embassy in Iraq a couple of years ago and they were a great group of people.

(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 10:52)

Your perverted fantasy you have thought up of which Serbia has some "dark" past (ironic, a overt Nazi talking about a dark past), while your clients from WWII are the victims is pathetic and laughable. The only problem is this narrative has clearly consumed your life to the point you feel obligated to spew racist lies and hatred on a daily basis.

You cannot achieve "independence" by joining the EU. Every member-state of the EU is only a country in name. Nearly all of the economic, social, political, judicial, foreign etc. are made by an unelected central commission dictatorship. The only national gov't that actually matters is Germany which is also the only country to have any benefit of EU membership. So the rest of Europe must liberate itself from this vileness once again. Not only do I not wish this monstrosity for my own country, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

In the 80s, the EU had 40% share of the global economy, today its 25% in 10 years it will be 15%. I realize you are retired, and who knows if you will see the downfall of the EU, but for the rest of us, its clear that the EU is in dramatic decline. A Russian province is certainly not something to aspire to, but neither is joining the 4th Reich.

I thought Russia and Serbia were so very close and their go the Russians not telling Serbia a thing just continuolesy plays them. Another Serbian delusion flusht down the perverbial tiolet. It's ok their is perfectly good pipes running through Ukaraine and much cheaper then building another useless pipeline.

You under estimate Vladimir Putin at your peril and with announcement of cessation of construction of South Stream may have more to do with positioning in the game now being played by Russia and the west.
You have to remember that the major owners of this pipeline are EU corporations that have so far pumped billions upon billions of Euros in the project. These same corporations will now turn on the EU political leadership and demand either a change on the way South stream is being treated or seek compensation which would place the EU budget on an even greater strain. The money involved is enormous.
Putin now has driven a wedge between Turkey and its NATO partners by signing up on a huge trade deal with Ankara, which the US does not like for one minute. In addition, Russia has brought to reality a number of projects much earlier than the west estimated and Putin can issue a take it or leave it ultimatum.
All Russia now has to do is reduce the amount of gas being sold to the EU and industry stops or they freeze. I’ve never seen this level of bungling from the west much like standing on a chair putting a noose around their necks and threatening anyone who comes close they will kick the chair from under their feet. Meanwhile Vlad is saying kick it now LOL.

Serbia is not the looser with this decision, it can only win more independance from Russia, and that is absolutly necessary. Western Europe doesn't need more russian gas, and any future pipline (TAP / Nabuco) will help in decreasing the depeandancy on russian oil. We, all of Europe should make a bigger effort to get away from fossil fuel like gas and start investing in clean and more efficient energy sources like wind, sun, water, etc. That's the way to go.
For Serbia this opens the door to distance itself more from the russian influence and make a step towards the EU. Freedom, independence, rule of law, openness, a better freer press, human rights, and most important peace with its neighbors can only be achieved with the EU, most certainly not with Russia and the current Vucic government. These people have to go, Serbia needs a better and more open government without all these creepy old representatives from its dark past.

Ari,

Hiding that Serbia has a dark recent past and not-so-light present doesn't do anything to help Serbia. It doesn't hide anything except maybe from yourself (and not even).

Now... please... enlighten us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".

Please. take the floor and tell us. I'm dying to hear your explanation.

I know you're be tempted to answer with, "you hate yourself, Danilo", but please try to refrain. You've already said this a million times and saying it a million and one neither answers the question nor adds anything.

So, please, tell us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".

he will attend a UN Security Council session, he will "talk with the Russian president and other Russian officials."
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Russia is such a brotherly partner to Serbia... They didn't even give anyone in Serbia a courtesy call and let them read about it in the news.

seems to me, the EU can still stick it to Russa if it really wants to

@ Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 11:51 and his comments on Willi Pfaff:
Your perverted fantasy you have thought up of which Serbia has some "dark" past (ironic, a overt Nazi talking about a dark past), while your clients from WWII are the victims is pathetic and laughable. The only problem is this narrative has clearly consumed your life to the point you feel obligated to spew racist lies and hatred on a daily basis.

I do not see any hate against Serbs or Serbia in Pfaff's comments, but have noticed that you seem to be possessed with that person, and you are the one who is consumed with hate against him. You even wished death upon him in the past! That guy does not show any Nazi tendancies, he only tries to show Serbia that it has to change its ways in dealing with its own past, just like Germany did after WWII. That is good advice, but your reactions to him certainly show that you deal with this man in an unjustified, actually sick way. If anybody is full of hate and preoccupied it is you, certqainly not him.

Buahahahaaaaaa! Lol! Lol!

I can't wait to hear how the Serbian Clown Committee spins this one here at B92!

I'll tell you what just happened. Serbia got screwed and mother Russia doesn't give a donkey's a$$!!!!! Lol!

Can't you feeeeeeeeel the love from mother Russia? Lol

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.

(Stefan, 2 December 2014 11:20)

(Nikolle, 2 December 2014 11:09)
I find you guys so humerous. You found me out.
You guys are like a jackass that found a spinning wheel and doesn’t know what to do with it.
You read in the paper that falling oil prices are hurting Russia and its on the teetering on recession, but what you don’t know is that Japan is already in recession together with most EU countries. In fact even Australia is heading down that path and that is a place that has so far managed to escape a slow down. It’s called a worldwide affect.
All oil producing countries are finding it difficult with falling prices. It’s Saudi Arabia that is causing this to happen and something else that’s not mentioned. The US produces oil from shale which is a much more expensive process and the difference is funded by the US taxpayer and with falling price of oil it’s becoming more and more expensive. That’s the last thing the US needs.
Here is a little tip for you. South stream will be built.

a world wide effect which Russia is immune to? whilst i agree that the pipe line will probably go ahead at some point, this idea that Russia can play havoc with Europe that you have enthusiastically maintained is so far fetched that its not even fantasy. but don't worry sj, this is all a Putin ploy to get the EU to beg before its new master and its loyal servant, Serbia, will get the reward in the end. apparently, everyone is poor, but Russia. so rich in fact, that it blinks when just a tiny bit of pressure is applied

Sj,

You're so bad at trying to hide your huge deception and FRUSTRATION !! lol
We all here remember your fantastic enthusiasm for this project which, according to your malaysian secret sources, was meant to give Serbia the leadership in the Balkans as far as gaz is concerned... wasn't it ??!!!

Serbia was supposed to blackmail Croatia every winter and bla bla bla

You were the first to minimize the role of the European corporations in the project, Gazprom being the BOSS and now surprisingly these ones had the leading role and would be the big losers ?? yes, gon on dreaming...

I can only imagine how much Gazprom has already wasted into that project just to get the approval of each European country...

So, dear friend, don't try, as Serbs do since 1389, to convert this slap in your face (by russian brother) into victory ! useless, we all red your comments here !

And as to Putin reducing gaz deliveries to Europe and make them freeze, not worth mentioning it, with oil reaching historic low and russian budget the same way...

Nice day !

(Nikolle, 2 December 2014 12:21)

I have never said that Russia is immune to world trends. Gazprom is a minor share holder in the pipeline and yes it will lose out if it’s not built but not as much as its western partners and guess who these corporations are going to seek compo from? Not Gazprom but the EU. Here is a fact not spelled out too often. Russia is the no1 oil producing country in the world.
The EU relies on Russian gas so what happens if Russia reduces the volume being pumped by 2/3s? Think now, please think very hard.
Or perhaps ask yourself why doesn’t the EU levy more sanctions on Russia????? Think it through.

Serbia has no dark past, Serbs simply tried to do the best for their country.

Putin proved once more that russia is not to be trusted, and that the current serbian government made a big mistake in drafting their policy assuming russian support. These mistakes are serious

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

You better hope it’s not the top notch weaponry or training used in Afghanistan or Iraq because they lost there. LOL. Mate the west would not piss on the Albanians if they were on fire. They bombed the crap out of your lot in 1999.

So, please, tell us how Willi Pfaff is an "overt Nazi".
(Danilo, 2 December 2014 12:16)

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs in support of Nazi Germany's collaborators during WWII- the Albanians and Croats. Willi Pfaff supports further German domination of Europe under the guise of the EU.

German nationalism, support for former Nazi client states, domination of Europe... pretty overtly Nazi to me.

Russia and Turkey working with each other must be good for Serbia, just like the agreement they reached in 1812 when Russia agreed to give Serbia back to Turkey.

Nikolic must feel good about the parade he organized for the arrival of Putin to Belgrade after this announcement was made from Turkey. Not even a courtesy call?

That's your mother Russia and daddy Turkey for you Serbs.

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 14:22)


Haven't seen a single example of this. Can you provide a quotation?

It would seem that you're the one being "racist", connecting his "germanness" with points that he's making.

Also, I'll point out that you've tried to humiliate him with pictures that you thought were him and wished death on him.

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?
(cry me a river, 2 December 2014 14:44)
This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.

oh i see, sj, so this was a tactical ploy by Putin? he is happy that the pipeline is now abandoned?

The EU relies on Russian gas so what happens if Russia reduces the volume being pumped by 2/3s? Think now, please think very hard.
(sj, 2 December 2014 13:08)
Such a putz! The answer is easy as winter is upon us the EU will have a tough time but alternative sources will be found raising the price of gas for those countries. The EU will make sure not to ever be dependent on Russian oil again. Russia currently supplies 30% of the EU demand so it will hurt but will not be devastating. And Russia will forever lose a integral customer.
Russia will by the way suffer greatly with the loss of income(it is going to be years or decades before Asia can come close to filling the void. So Russians will sink to the living standards of third world countries while sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world. As far as other countries Gazprom may be a minor partner but in Serbia it is the major partner, they will make up their profits from the backs of ordinary Serbs. Putin is behaving like a cornered snake, striking out as there is no other way out.
By the way what does this mean to the fact that you have repeatedly pointed out that Serbia would CONTROL the valves of oil flowing into Europe and therefore control Europe?
A song comes to mind---OH Happy Day.....

All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country, get those dark demons under control, and find peace for all people in the Balkans. I will continue this, no matter Ari Gold likes it or not.
(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 17:17)

I do hope you do continue. It gives me great comic joy to see a hateful old man spending the twilight of his life spreading racism and historical revisionism which he can then take to God when his time comes.

But what you define as "normal" is something Serbia needs to steer far away as possible from. For you, heroin routes and harvesting organs is "normal" as long as the organs are Serbian. You've said it many times here that organ harvesting was necessary as "revenge" of the fantasized crimes you've imagined Serbia has committed.

How can carving out organs be "normal"? How can overt Nazism be normal? In what world do you live in, dinosaur?

Really what will happen with NIS now? Gazprom may want to sell it now. If that happens it will be interesting to see the price it will sell it for. It bought it for what, $400 million? Or maybe they will decide to keep it for some time, see if things change.

Poor sj, he had such high hopes on the South Stream. He thought Serbia would have been able to stop the gas and let Germany, Croatia, and other countries freeze, if they did not comply with Serbia's requests, LOL.
Don't worry sj, something else will come along to make Serbia powerful, this is not the end :).

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training! Looks like Serbia chose the wrong allies. Dummies.
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

LOL speaking of Clown Committees spinning BS

Look at all these trolls here what a joke. What an achievement in life that must be to become an internet troll lol

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training!
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

Err, no thanks. The thought of Hash's thugs armed to the teeth is quite frankly disturbing and frightening in equal measure.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.

Russia loves to use Serbia to its advantage, but they always screw them in the end. Russia likes to talk about a historical alliance with their fellow Orthodox Slavs, yet Putin just chose Turkey over Serbia because it's easier dealing with fellow authoritarian thugs like Erdogan. Russia has also legitimized the loss of Kosovo by annexing Crimea and using the Kosovo comparison. Russia is only in it for themselves and don't give a shit about Serbia except when it suits Putin's propaganda.
(LK, 2 December 2014 16:56)

I don't believe in the whole "historical alliance" thing either. There is no true friendship with any governments of the world. That said, Russia had every intention to build the South Stream Pipeline when it purchased NIS and only recently that has been side-tracked by the problems between Russia and the EU.

Russia didn't "choose" Turkey over Serbia lmao learn your geography you simpleton. Serbia is in southeast Balkans and the pipeline has to come from Bulgaria and go onto the EU countries in order for South Stream to work. How the hell is it going to come to Serbia if the EU central commission has forced its member vassals not to participate? Turkey for all its faults is an independent country and signed onto a pipeline deal because they aren't bound by Brussels.

This is not a good news for Serbia says Serbian PM, while Serbian commentators are trying to say that is something good for Serbia.

It looks that for Serbs every loss is perceived as victory.

Anyway, TAP project which was approved will go through Greece,Albania and Italy and it will be very important. Indeed Albania will profit by this project, regardless what Ari Gold and other Nazi-Serbs may think.
In this case as in many cases before Russia through Serbia under the bus.
I like to hear what Peggy has to say.
It was a good Christmas gift from your mother Russia switching Serbia for Turkey. Lol.

a New day, 3 December 2014 10:45)
Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92?
Hey I’m a Serb and this is a Serbian based media site not Albanian.

Serbia, stuck as it is in the middle of the EU cesspit, needs to become self-sufficient in food and energy. Food is easily achievable, energy is more problematic, but not impossible. Serbia should start construction of the Djerdap 3 hydro-electric power station which would almost double electricity production. It should expand its coal-burning power generating capacity to make better use of its abundant coal supplies. It should install photo-voltaic cells on every house, school and office in Serbia to exploit Serbia's ideal strategic location for solar power (Serbia is a better location that North Africa because solar panels don't work well when it's too hot.) Serbia also needs to construct more gas storage facilities so that it can withstand supply problems due to ongoing problems in the Ukraine (the crisis in the Ukraine will continue for at least another 20+ years.

The cancellation of South Stream is bad for Serbia, but with wisdom and investment Serbia may get closer to energy security. I think EU countries may have greater problems.

Divide et impera Russian style and a big wake up call for the US imposed quisling cult acting as "government". Bulgaria who is 100% dependent on Russian gas (like the Russophobe baltic states, Banderastan and Poland)sure know how to shoot their feets off, and getting absolutely nothing in return, not even a band aid because their patron is the €USSR/Titanic on it´s last voyage past the ice berg, down the abyss.

But nevermind that. The €Urofags will have to let go of their leverage choke-hold on the "ukraine" and stop diktating Russia what to do, it doesn´t work that way. If they want gas it´ll have to be by re-routing problem spots and fascist-states, North stream is up and running, bypassing the baltic states and Poland. No more transit money for them, so sad, really. South stream will eventually be completed. Bypassing Banderastan and suddenly their zio-con patrons will drop that hot potatoe too...

Russia loves to use Serbia to its advantage, but they always screw them in the end. Russia likes to talk about a historical alliance with their fellow Orthodox Slavs, yet Putin just chose Turkey over Serbia because it's easier dealing with fellow authoritarian thugs like Erdogan. Russia has also legitimized the loss of Kosovo by annexing Crimea and using the Kosovo comparison. Russia is only in it for themselves and don't give a shit about Serbia except when it suits Putin's propaganda.

Ari Gold,

Your comments consist of personal attacks, conspiracy theories, machismo, whining, blaming others for your shortcomings, hateful, shameful, homophobic and xenophobic remarks.

In short, you and everyone else on this forum know what you are. There's little hope for you.
Just so you don't feel lonely, you're not the only one here.

@ mr.SJ
Actually in Italy-France and Germany people from the SS shareholder are opening their bottles of champagne ! This project was completly out of the market now ! Consumpion in EU is tumbling every year, new SUPPLIER ARE TRYING DESPERATLY TO PUT A FOOT IN EU market .. SS was a total nonsense with these market conditions !!

Or perhaps ask yourself why doesn’t the EU levy more sanctions on Russia????? Think it through.
(sj, 2 December 2014 13:08)

What happens to NIS now the sale is done for South Stream?

Russia has its interest at hand and why have they not shut the gas yet to EU? They did stop food imports you know what will happen to Russian economy their interest rate is at 9.5% they will need 200% not to repeat 1998.

But again what happens to NIS?

Crashing Ruble is better for Russia, because thats why every state wants a really weak economy.

Food price inflation is perfect because now we can buy domestic products, not the ones we wanted. And we get to buy less, more expensively.

We Didn't want those carriers anyways, thats why we ordered them.

Don't want to sell gas to Europe, we'll sell it to China cheaper and make less. Pipeline wont be ready for 6 years, well store it in really big balloons until then, while we make no money.

We could walk all over Ukraine in 2 weeks. Donetsk airport might take longer than Stalingrad though.

We dont need south stream, we have other customers, to which we have no pipeline either.

Russian weapons are awesome. Just look at that carrier plough through the seas, towed by an oceangoing tugboat, because engines are nazi.

Sanctions are good for us, actually so good we are sanctioning us self too!

Russia are financing every extremist political rightwing party we can find in Europe because we hate nazis

Everybody will buy our gas despite us setting arbitrary prices and constantly threatening our customers

Russia is the best place to live even though every single study shows Russians living standards are below most of Europe

EU is decadent and will collapse but they expand and new members states join in

Thanks Danielo, and thanks Observer for defending me against Ari Golds continued personal attacks on me here on B92. His behavior just shows that there is something wrong with him and that I touched a sensitive point in him. A normal person wouldn't write or react the way he does, and that man is driven by hate against anybody and anything which doesn't fit into his limited nationalistic view, especially against the EU and Germany, and obviously me. So he copy and pasts his crap every day.
I have fought against nationalism and fascism my entire life, no matter where it is in the world, becuause I realized that extreme nationalism like Ari for instance shows leads to fascim, well, most times goes hand in hand. Nobody, no country, no ethnic group has the right to put themself above others, rule over others, or start wars to achieve this. I have learned this from my own country's history, and like most people here are able to positivly refelct on it and learn something from the horrible and in any way inexcusable way Germany acted durg the Nazi rule. All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country, get those dark demons under control, and find peace for all people in the Balkans. I will continue this, no matter Ari Gold likes it or not.

Willi Pfaff, a German, continues to slander and make racist comments towards Serbs
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 14:22)


Haven't seen a single example of this. Can you provide a quotation?

It would seem that you're the one being "racist", connecting his "germanness" with points that he's making.

Also, I'll point out that you've tried to humiliate him with pictures that you thought were him and wished death on him.
(Danilo, 2 December 2014 15:05)

You have to understand, Ari's grandfather died in the Holocaust, he fell off a guard tower at Auschwitz.

What happens to NIS now the sale is done for South Stream?

Russia has its interest at hand and why have they not shut the gas yet to EU? They did stop food imports you know what will happen to Russian economy their interest rate is at 9.5% they will need 200% not to repeat 1998.

But again what happens to NIS?
(Atila, 2 December 2014 14:33)

Psst. South stream will go ahead. It’s all a game. Don’t worry about NIS.

You've said it many times here that organ harvesting was necessary as "revenge" of the fantasized crimes you've imagined Serbia has committed.
(Ari Gold, 2 December 2014 21:30)

As usual, nothing but dirty lies from Mr. Gold. Show me one comment I made where I justify the so called 'organ harvesting', which as everybody, except you, knows is not proven in Williamson's report. He specificly says that there is no proof for it. The only thing I ever said is is, that in case it will be proven, I will be the first one to condemn it.

(a New day, 3 December 2014 10:45)
My little Albo friend I did not announce those recessions. They are facts just look them up. About 3 weeks ago Japan announced that its economy is now officially in recession. Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity????
It not just China and Russia, but the rest are either in that predicament or heading that way. Hey, Germany stated its economy is close to recession. By the way China is the no. 1 economy in the world so what do you think will happen if it goes in a recession???? What the west will have a force field of made of freedom and democracy to avoid this problem?
Recently in the US the Democrats lost in both Congress and the Senate. Why??? People are working harder and longer hours, but their dollar is buying less and less. Hello does that sound like a good economy??????????? These are not “curves in a road”, but serious problems. Joe Stiglitz, a Nobel winner in economics was in Sydney in August and he was saying the US is in serious trouble.
I suggest you get off what you are taking and perhaps you might see clearly for a change.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.
(Reader, 3 December 2014 16:11)

Judging his written English, I doubt Bekim has ever been to school.

This is bad for Serbia which.has been let down - although maybe Vucic knew already. But this is a humiliation for Putin. Gazproms profits are down, oil prices falling further. Russia is not forging ahead economically as sone predicted a few yrs ago.
Pro western forces in the government will use this for a more pro western position..

"You have to remember that the major owners of this pipeline are EU corporations that have so far pumped billions upon billions of Euros in the project."

Can you be more specific? How much ownership, and how much investment to date?


"These same corporations will now turn on the EU political leadership and demand either a change on the way South stream is being treated or seek compensation which would place the EU budget on an even greater strain."

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?

Amazing how many Albanian trolls are here today trying to spin BS. Russia has secured an energy agreement with Turkey, it's second largest consumer after Germany. Germany has secured its gas supply with Russia through Nord Stream. Now the EU has messed up and stopped South Stream, so the South Eastern European nations that need the investment, transit fees and energy security lose it because of the EU.

Fortunately, most of the people of the region will see this as an EU problem more than Russian abandonment. The EU has created a disaster for the Balkan economies and energy security. Putin outsmarts them again. Lets see how this develops over the next few day. I think a lot of those people laughing now will regret it soon.

willi pfaff said, "... All I try to do is show a way for Serbia to become a normal country."

Absolutely untrue! Your rude, condescending comments about Serbs and Serbia on B92 prove otherwise. Your personal attacks of an entire nation collectively and repeatedly tell the truth.

Your bias is so obvious.

Just a few days ago you used the word 'looser" to describe Serbia and it's people. You previously stated, "You (Serbia) have no right to become part of the free west. We do not want people like you(Serbs).

Well, I can't imagine anyone wanting you to help be what you consider your questionable idea of "normal".

Actually in Italy-France and Germany people from the SS shareholder are opening their bottles of champagne ! This project was completly out of the market now ! Consumpion in EU is tumbling every year, new SUPPLIER ARE TRYING DESPERATLY TO PUT A FOOT IN EU market .. SS was a total nonsense with these market conditions !!
(Luigi, 2 December 2014 14:31)
I find it very strange that EU corporations went into this deal with Gazprom knowing that consumption is falling and new players are at the front door. Maybe you know something they don’t. Italy and France are in recession and its getting worse.

"The education system has failed."

I couldn't agree more. If you're opinions are a window into the education system, it has failed and failed big time

You could not be Albanian, you are simply too petty.
(The Count of Kosova, 3 December 2014 07:19)

Oh the irony! Lol

For Serbia this opens the door to distance itself more from the russian influence and make a step towards the EU. Freedom, independence, rule of law, openness, a better freer press, human rights, and most important peace with its neighbors can only be achieved with the EU, most certainly not with Russia and the current Vucic government. These people have to go, Serbia needs a better and more open government without all these creepy old representatives from its dark past.
(Willi Pfaff, 2 December 2014 10:52)

Serbia needs to tighten the relations with Russia and be as far away from the 4th reich as possible. But of course a german like you would like for the eu to conquer every single country in europe so you germans can rule which is exactly what the UK has realized. You have not changed a bit since ww2, just use different methods. Talking about freedom and democracy, the EU is just another tool that the US uses to impose "freedom" and "democracy" wherever they wish, ask the people in Syria, Libya, Egypt and Iraq what they think of your kind of "freedom".

The cancellation of South Stream is bad for Serbia, but with wisdom and investment Serbia may get closer to energy security. I think EU countries may have greater problems.
(Michael Thomas, 2 December 2014 12:07)

Perhaps the most sane comment here amid all the triumphalism and chest beating.

It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget. I think this will reinforce minds in Serbia not to put all its eggs into one basket (Russia) but spread it out. It will also enable Serbia to explore alternative energy sources such as renewables.

As for Serbia, my old man says it best, two feet, one in the West, the other in the East. Maybe the locksmith from Kumrovec was right.

Ari said: ...How can carving out organs be "normal"? How can overt Nazism be normal? In what world do you live in, dinosaur?...
How many times this organ harvesting theory has been debunked here?
Here is again, from the chief prosecutor Williamson, he said ZERO evidence.
http://www.infobalkans.com/2014/07/29/williamson-no-evidence-human-organ-trafficking
It is this kind of ignorance and lack of fact finding attitude that promotes hate in Serbia.
All individual acts of violence are given air time and promoted ad infinitum when it is against Serbs, yet the Serb state organised genocide against the neighboring countries is totally ignored.
Pfaff, continue your good work, you are the voice of reason in those forums. I wish more Serbs would espouse your views, our country will be better for it. God bless you.

In other news, Kosova will be forming their own Army with top notch Weatern weaponry and training!
(Captain Kosova, 2 December 2014 15:15)

Err, no thanks. The thought of Hash's thugs armed to the teeth is quite frankly disturbing and frightening in equal measure.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

Before criticizing other people's English, perhaps you should correct the mistakes in your second sentence. They are far more serious than his simple typo.

You could not be Albanian, you are simply too petty.

by the way Bekim, before you jump onto spelling errors, I recognize that there is a typo on my previous post (your opinions not you're).

Hey I’m a Serb and this is a Serbian based media site not Albanian.
(sj, 3 December 2014 12:04)
True, this is a Serbian based media site, as far as you being Serbian I believe it but only taking your word for it and that does not carry much weight. But this site is in English for an appeal to international readers, it also posts opposing views which shows it also is appealing to international readers, I have to wonder why when you post you choose the English site instead of the Serbian one as there you would have a more attentive audience with people that are less likely to be exposed to international news sources and therefore would be less likely to see through this cloak of superior knowledge you want people to think you have.
Your claims of how the workings of Serbia and Russia work and that Serbia would be able to turn on and off the oil to Europe at a personal whim (with the blessing of Russia) has only shown you know nothing about how international politics and economies work. You are a nationalist and cannot see past that, you will forever be blinded to what life is really about.

My little friend I did not announce those recessions. They are facts just look them up. About 3 weeks ago Japan announced that its economy is now officially in recession. Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity????
(sj, 3 December 2014 11:44)

sj,
There is nothing more pathetic than a mediocre mind stating the obvious!

Why do I always have to deal with such levels of stupidity???. Why???
(sj, 3 December 2014 11:44)
I think most of think the same thing when reading your comments, stupidity intermingled with some false sense of superiority.

"By the way China is the no. 1 economy in the world so what do you think will happen if it goes in a recession???? What the west will have a force field of made of freedom and democracy to avoid this problem?"
One of the most humorous statements you can make, as one a couple of years now everyone has asked (when you boasted of how the US was going to collapse) did you think that China and Russia were immune and you claimed they were not dependent on US and would only turn to the east.

" Recently in the US the Democrats lost in both Congress and the Senate. Why??? "
I would have thought that a learned person as yourself would see that over many presidential terms, as a president enters the end of his term, the power of congress shifts to the opposing party. Thus the term lame duck president.
" Joe Stiglitz, a Nobel winner in economics was in Sydney in August and he was saying the US is in serious trouble."
Suddenly, the term "Nobel winner" gives a level of credibility in your eyes but I did not see that with other winners such as Obama and Ahtisaari.
I don't deny the problems in America, but I say we can work through them.

Well, this is bad old news. When you have bad news it hurts less when you have it gradually.

First they said that S.S. was in competition (and had much more advantages) with TAP. When TAP won, they said that S.S. had nothing to do with TAP. And then they said "OK China is now on top priority but S.S. is still on the list". And now... Russia is abandoning S.S. so that E.U. should cry for it.

Willing or not, Serbia has no other way but to go West. The only question is how much painful this turn will be. More stubborn, more pain.

Who are they going to sue? How can they sue if the project was illegal?
(cry me a river, 2 December 2014 14:44)
This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.
(sj,

YOu've let us know on numerous occasions that you're an expert at economics. Now, it appears you're a legal genius as well. BTW, I have been in boardrooms of big business a few times. Of course, not as many times as you. But, that's another conversation.
It appears that you do have the time an space to explain. You're very active here. So, why don't you try to answer my questions.
How can business sue a union such as EU if their laws state that the SS is illegal?
Someone as learned as yourself should be able to answer my questions in a paragraph or two.

What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.

Southstream dead and TAP under construction. That is all what you have to say when it comes to the question who uses his alliances more cleverly..

This just shows how little you know or understand big business and i have neither the time nor is there enough space to explain it to you. This is what I have been dealing with since I started posting. People like you who have never been near a boardroom except as part of a tour.
(sj, 3 December 2014 09:41)
Have you ever seen anyone about these delusions of grandeur you obviously suffer from? Such suffering you have had to endure over the past years, such a challenge to a superior intellect. Such a devotion in human sacrifice for a cause no one has seen. But it is time sj to come down off the cross, someone needs the wood.
Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92? No one believes you, even those on your "supposed" side do not rally to your support. You have been proven wrong on so many fronts that it is getting pathetic. The things you do get right are common knowledge printed in thousands of news sources around the globe, but yet you rush to B92 to be the Paul Revere of western gloom to announce the new world order as it arrives.
Your announcement of the recessions that are happening, do you not know that no one is on a straight line as far as economics go, recessions, inflations, are all curves in the road. Both China and Russia are headed for a recession or already in one.
Maybe it is time to take a couple of pills and lie down and reduce this enormous stress you are in.

Why would someone who has been in the boardrooms of every major company in every major country be posting on a forum such as B92?


Serving tea and coffee???

South Stream is dead. Now Serbia has developed Weak Stream.

I would suggest Serbia gets its Prostate checked out. There is medication that can alleviate weak stream symptoms.

(cry me a river, 3 December 2014 15:53)

Once again I state I am not an economist, never have been nor have I studied economics. Since you have been to boardrooms you would know how it’s done. For Corporations to commence a project “all ducks have to be aligned”. These companies do not wake up one morning and decide that it’s a good idea to borrow billions to build a pipeline without getting all the right approvals from governments. The building of SS was approved by various governments well in advance. This is only Brussels now playing games. Now Russia has declared its abandoning SS the EU countries will start screaming at Brussels and to cut a long story short, SS will be built – its all agame.
However let’s say that the coprs did not get approval then the next move is to go to Brussels and seek to offset for their losses against present and future profits. Whichever way they will clean up all at the EU taxpayer’s expense – its called a win win scenarion. Remember corporations own politicians.

The education system has failed.
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 20:08)

LOL, "Bekim" you missed some commas here:

"It is indeed bad news for Serbia no doubt as the Government was factoring in the revenues into the national budget."
(Bekim_Novi Sad, 2 December 2014 19:56)

I think you need to go back to school.
(Reader, 3 December 2014 16:11)

Hey Reader, read this:

Bekim might've missed a couple of commas, but he hit a home run with the content of his posts. Did you ask Bekim if he proofread his comments before posting them? No. Did you ask him if he cares that he left out the commas? No.
Alrighty then. Now go back and read his comments again, and imagine the commas being where you might think
they should be. Does that now change the fact that he is right on with his comments? Another no.
Besides, instead of splitting hairs, why aren't you out there with the Count splitting stolen wood? Winter's coming.

"Remember corporations own politicians" ...so which corporation owns Putin?
(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 10:36)
This is where it is interesting. Unlike the west where they do own them and tell people like you that you voted them in power, Putin is on top of the mound and he has no master.

I would suggest Serbia gets its Prostate checked out. There is medication that can alleviate weak stream symptoms.
(Captain Kosova, 4 December 2014 00:06)
Sadly, boy the west has been prodding your prostate for years and you don’t even know it. LOL

LOL @Don't mess with Bekim,

it was actually "Bekim" who started splitting hairs and talking about education systems having failed (he extrapolated this knowledge from a typo, isn't that crazy?).

About the content of what "Bekim" says, read this:
"What is even more disturbing and frightening are keyboard warrior, hyper-nationalists being unable to spell proper English. "

I think both you and I can agree that there is nothing disturbing or frightening about keyboard warriors. The fact that keyboard warriors make typos disturbs and frightens "Bekim", however, LOL.

P.S. It is "Bekim", not Bekim :).

(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 13:19)

No I did not say that at all. What is it with you people and North Korea? There are plenty of dictatorship in Africa and Asia???? Its because TV talks about it all the time – its called brainwahsing. There are good and bad governments in both democracy and dictatorships look at China. Its a dictatorship and its also No1 economy in the world and has over 350 million middle class. China did not get to that position without the government. Putin is good for Russia. Who do you think runs the US? The voter? LOL..
I apologise for attempting to enlighten you as it seems you really are a believer in western democracy and when you go and vote and elect an official he/she looks after your interests LOL. You poor bastard. If you feel that breez its because you have no cloths.

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect
(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:58)
Its answers all questions. The voters.... LOL, LOL. What an idiot!!! Barnum once said “There’s one born every minute” LOL and the CTC is a very good example. I can’t believe how stupid CTC is. LOl, LOl I’ll be saving this and laughing for a long time LOL. This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests. CTC you level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner

You must be confused and referring to Russia. btw, Is Putin a Democrat or Communist? Why is he giving amnesty to all Russians that "illegally" took THEIR money out of Russia, provided, of course, they bring the money back and put it into Putin's bank. Vlad must have a very low opinion of his fellow Russians' intelligence.
(Moderate Serb, 5 December 2014 06:28

I have never disguised my ethnic background so why bother with this moderate Serb business? Your an Albo and be proud of being an Ilyrian or something like that. I doubt you know what your asking here. Im talking about the US.

Abandoning? More like redirecting. Not that this benefits Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary, or Bosnia. The real winner unfortunately is Erdogan's emerging Pashalik whose country South Stream originally intended to bypass. Now with the huge investment Putin has made in Turkey, it gives Ankara even more leverage away from Europe and places possible future dependency on whatever extensions a new pipeline has for Greece and SE Europe at Turkey's discretion.

But what people should really be asking is what's to become of NIS, which was sold off to Russia in anticipation of this project at garage sale prices? Sadly, no one's going to investigate this, and the EU is going to applaud this rhetorical move as a way of stemming Russia's influence in the Balkans, at the same time as it turns up the heat through pipes it secured through North Stream.

I'll give you some context here, the SS pipe line was in the works since 2007. In 2009 the EU suddenly changed its rules which were retroactively applied to SS (but not to North Stream which supplies Germany) which would have meant that Gasprom would have had to share the pipeline it had build. Russia was contesting this in the WTO which accused the EU of violating international norms. Then in January this year the Bulgarian government announced that it was suspending its portion of the project (interestingly this came just after a visit from a delegation of US senators including John Mccain and enormous pressure from the EU). This blocked the pipe line and there was no reason to spend billions building a pipeline under the sea only to be useless at the other side. Putin has called the EUs bluff and is now going to build a new pipeline in Turkey with an agreement from the discredited and desperate Erdogan, further splitting the Nato alliance and maybe getting a deal to leave Syria alone.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.

(pss, 5 December 2014 15:27)

Oh dear Lord please give me a break from these people. The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office. Im pointing out the overall system in the US and you talk about being 25 to hold office.
However, since you see it differently how many parties other than Democrats and republicans have held power in the last 180 years? I assume you subscribe to the theory that the US is a democracy so there should be at least once or twice in the last 180 years where another party has won office.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.
(Nikolle, 5 December 2014 13:56)
Which corproations are they? Perhaps you might name the ones that donate funds to their election campaigns LOL.

to RK the 2nd

Good joke but don't be panic as it's just a counter blackmail. Besides 25% of the South Sream volumes were initially designed for Turkey and only 75% for Europe. Now the Sultan will take his share and deliver the gas through Greece. Anyway it's bargaining time and it's too early to predict anything. Let's wait and see the developments. But the joke was a good one !

"Remember corporations own politicians" ...so which corporation owns Putin?

"This is where it is interesting. Unlike the west where they do own them and tell people like you that you voted them in power, Putin is on top of the mound and he has no master."

oh dear. putin is the exception to the rule(!) how about china? does ali baba own them all?

oh dear. putin is the exception to the rule(!) how about china? does ali baba own them all?
(Nikolle, 4 December 2014 12:26)

No Putin is not the exception. China is the same. I’m fascinated that people like you think that the populace of the west actually vote politiicnas into power and they do the people’s bidding. They may have 100 years ago (but I doubt it) but today that will never happen as it’s an illusion. In the US the political parties rely on funding and that funding comes from corporations. In fact the parties themselves are run by wealthy people. The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.

so, if i am to take your argument at face value, really, the true leaders, those who honestly represent the population are dictators. its excellent. pack up people, North Korea is the place to be. i honestly enjoy reading the total nonsensical garbage that you post here. and believe me i will forever read it, not for its intellectual insight, but for its stupidity and comedic value, not that its funny, but that its so stupid we call it funny. when Putin dies, will the next leader be controlled by corporations do you think?

There are good and bad governments in both democracy and dictatorships look at China.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Absolutely, the only difference being that the only way people can remove a bad government in dictatorship is by taking up arms. That's such a wonderful place to live in.
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Its a dictatorship and its also No1 economy in the world and has over 350 million middle class. China did not get to that position without the government.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Well, not sure being a big dictatorship is a big achievement. The achievement is not having 1.5 billion people, but to make the lives of those people better.
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Putin is good for Russia.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

Absolutely. What other country has the privilege to have a leader like that that who involves the country in foreign adventures, causes its currency to collapse, increases inflation and makes the country's influence in the world close to nil.
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Who do you think runs the US? The voter? LOL..
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect

I apologise for attempting to enlighten you as it seems you really are a believer in western democracy and when you go and vote and elect an official he/she looks after your interests LOL. You poor bastard. If you feel that breez its because you have no cloths.
(sj, 4 December 2014 21:32)

No need mate to enlighten any body. Everybody does what feels better for him/her. As of now, people feel better in a western democracy. Perhaps they are ignorant, but hey that's how they feel. Unfortunately people are not convinced with words, even though your words as CE of B92 forums are so wise. People are convinced from what they see or experience :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.
(sj, 4 December 2014 13:06)

sj,
You must be confused and referring to Russia. btw, Is Putin a Democrat or Communist? Why is he giving amnesty to all Russians that "illegally" took THEIR money out of Russia, provided, of course, they bring the money back and put it into Putin's bank. Vlad must have a very low opinion of his fellow Russians' intelligence.

The voter?! Lol... Of course not. It's the people the voters elect
(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:58)

Its answers all questions. The voters.... LOL, LOL. What an idiot!!! Barnum once said “There’s one born every minute” LOL and the CTC is a very good example. I can’t believe how stupid CTC is. LOl, LOl I’ll be saving this and laughing for a long time LOL. This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests. CTC you level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.
P.S. CTC = Chief Toilet Cleaner
(sj, 5 December 2014 12:13)

Not sure why you cited my post because I said nowhere "that person looks after thier interests". Perhaps you were referring to the CE of B92 forums sj when you say " This guy actually believes the voter elects someone and that person looks after thier interests".

I said "It's the people the voters elect" who run the US. I did not say that those people do necessarily look after voters interest'. All politicians look after their own interests. Only some naives believe that people like Putin are like Jesus :)
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The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:40)

That makes total sense. Since the CE of B92 forums sj spoke personally with that "group of people" he/she does absolutely know what he/she is talking about.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The founding fathers wrote into the constitution that only wealthy or landed gentry can run for congress or senate.
(sj, 4 December 2014 13:06)
One thing about it no one can claim you do not have a vivid imagination. The only problem you have lived in this imaginary world so long you can no longer distinguish between truth and fiction.
Well the above post is nothing but fiction. There is no such writing or clause in the US Constitution.
Maybe, if you were to actually read the constitution you might see the difference in the US and Russia, or the west and Russia.
For anyone who cares to be a US Representative you must be at least 25 years of age and a citizen of the US for at least 7 years. To be a Senator you must be at least 30 years old and a citizen of the US for 9 years and you must be a resident of the state you represent at the time of election. In order to be president you must be at least 35 years of age and a natural born citizen of the US.
But you do not have to have any amount of wealth for any of these offices, nor own any land. Don't know what anyone could expect to gain by telling a bold face lie to say you do, but I guess it establishes the credibility in everything else they say. Is it true of BS, 99% of the time it is the latter.

Oh dear Lord please give me a break from these people. The US constitution was written by a group of people who strongly beleived in that idea of only the wealthy holding office.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:40)
Stop writing lies and BS and you would get your wish, but then again you would not have anything to post if you cut out that would you, other than your insults.
No you specifically said that they put it in the constitution that only people of wealth could run for office, I gave you what restrictions the constitution does give for running for office. It may or may not have been what they believed but the fact is they did NOT incorporate that concept into the Constitution of the United States.
You apparently do not understand what a democracy is, the leaders are elected by a majority of the people, should a third or fourth party gain a majority of supporters then they would gain control. We do have individuals that run as independents that do get elected to congress.
But the US is unlike those great democracies like your Serbia where you have a 100 parties and then following election the major parties meet behind closed doors with the smaller ones promising positions and money to creat a majority. I think a lot of people like to call that political corruption instead of democracy.
You get your info on the US from anti-US rags and just creating it, and I get mine from primary, secondary and college studies along with living within the system for my entire 50+ years.

(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:59) As of now, people feel better in a western democracy...

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I'm not sure what "western news" you're following, but you may wish to consult the African American minority in St. Louis or New York

(icj1, 5 December 2014 04:59) As of now, people feel better in a western democracy...

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I'm not sure what "western news" you're following, but you may wish to consult the African American minority in St. Louis or New York
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 6 December 2014 07:15)

That's great advice, so I did and did not find people wishing to move to Russia, China, India or Serbia.

Note, I said "better" not "ideal". That's because nobody is saying that the West is perfect, but is better than places like Russia, China, India or Serbia.

oh dear. i don't know if you genuinely believe what you write sj, but if you do (that somehow Putin & China are above corporate control but those in the west aren't) then you definitely have FPP. i take back what i wrote earlier, i won't laugh at you anymore, i take pity on you instead.
(Nikolle, 5 December 2014 13:56)
Which corproations are they? Perhaps you might name the ones that donate funds to their election campaigns LOL.
(sj, 5 December 2014 22:43)

Donate funds to their elections campaigns?! They aren't stupid! What would the purpose be to donate funds to their election campaigns - that's a meaningless exercise. They donate the funds directly to the bank accounts of the Russian and Chinese leaders.

(pss, 6 December 2014 02:47)

My dear fellow I know what democracy is, but I think you are confused. The founding fathers had that intended so that only landed gentry could attain high office since they did not think the rabble was capable of running the country. There were no poor people amongst the authors of the document. It’s a fact that even your most eminent historians have admitted to.
The political system in the US is called democracy, but in fact it’s not. It’s a guided democracy and that means you are pointed in the right direction by the media who to vote for i.e Republican or Democrat. The education system instils in you that the system you have is democracy. The Italians are closer to democracy than what you have because real democracy means more than just two parties. What you want is called representative democracy and you will never get it in the US. If you try, Ferguson will look like a picnic compared to the force your government will use on its people.
You have a system that has created near identical parties, or as Gore Vidal said one conservative party with two branches. There is very little difference between those parties, but with the help of the media they look like they are miles apart. We have an identical system in Australia.
The US is just as or maybe more corrupt with only 2 parties as the country which has 100.

That makes total sense. Since the CE of B92 forums sj spoke personally with that "group of people" he/she does absolutely know what he/she is talking about.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 6 December 2014 19:58)

Alas I know that backward people like you believe in hexes, spells and speaking to the dead but try getting an education and you’ll be pleasantly surprised. They do teach plenty at University.

Donate funds to their elections campaigns?! They aren't stupid! What would the purpose be to donate funds to their election campaigns - that's a meaningless exercise. They donate the funds directly to the bank accounts of the Russian and Chinese leaders.
(icj1, 7 December 2014 18:20)
As you have more information than the rest which corproations are they? And which banks?

There is very little difference between those parties, but with the help of the media they look like they are miles apart. We have an identical system in Australia.
(sj, 8 December 2014 07:44)
You are true on one front, BOTH parties and the Australian govt supports an independent Kosovo.
Curious as to which countries you can name that the "rabble" actually run the country. It is usually the land owners and people with some money at least that can afford to take the time from their families and earning a living to get involved with politics-in any society.
We can argue about the intentions of the fore fathers all you wish but what is written in the constitution is concrete and you cannot quote anything in there that even comes close to supporting your lies. Just admit it you made it up and move on, just like most of the "facts" you possess.
I will choose the US system of govt over any other anytime, as a perfect system does not exist.
I see you answering a lot of fan mail on here lately, you do have quite a lot of time on your hands, don't you, maybe you should consider running for office.
By the way, I worked with a bunch of Australians at the embassy in Iraq a couple of years ago and they were a great group of people.