"You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders. "
(icj1, 27 November 2014 17:30)
Thanks, what you wrote make some sense to me, thought the article itself says something different ('cannot grant it for flights from Zagreb to EU destinations via Belgrade'), thus is misleading.
So lets conclude: Being en EU member grants companies not to be discriminated by politics.
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
(Aleks, 27 November 2014 08:22)
You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders.
I understand though that some people here are aghast to hear that there might be some benefits to the EU membership :)
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
Most of this is inconvenient for most travelers to connect out of Zagreb and go through Belgrade then head back to a Western Europe nation. However, for the right price someone might do it. It happens in the US on domestic flights all the time. Croatia is just stipulating this because they know Air Serbia is close to getting flights to the US and Canada. They're mostly butt hurt over that, so this is their reaction. Also, I can fly to Serbia from the US via Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, etc or to Africa via those airlines out of the US, Mexico, China...anywhere...so what are they doing that's different than Air Serbia selling a flight from Zagreb connecting in Belgrade to any city Air Serbia flies? Answer: it's all the same,
"Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
(Ari Gold, 26 November 2014 17:21)"
Are you making flight plans to come home from the Hague, Ari?
Very good that Croatia is playing hard ball with Serbia now. The Serbian chickens are coming back to roost back in the Serbian mental coop. With Serbias thievery of Croatian companys in the billions euros and fencing them on to its criminal "friends" Russia ,Greece and the governing political criminal class of Serbia past and present. Their are so many outstanding issues between Croatia and incorrigible Serbia. Serbia has been dragging its feet and only delaying with fork tongue lip service. Had decades to settle its numerous criminalitys with its neighbours. As for Croatian Airlines it is making a profit in a very competitive market. The only place it flies to in the middle east is to Isreal.
Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
(Questioner, 26 November 2014 13:45)
Q,
You may ask, but you will not like the answer. Since Serbia is not a member of the EU, she should not expect the advantage that, only, an EU member enjoys. That is a privilege of being part of an economic block. This is something that those opposed to joining the EU should seriously ponder. I'm speaking of B92 commentators such as sj and Ari Gold.
They were corrupt before they joined the EU, they are still corrupt after they've joined the EU. But as long as it is fine with Berlin, it doesn't matter.
Still, a very dumb move by Croatia. Belgrade is shaping up to be the air transport hub of the Balkans and has had some serious investment in its infrastructure.
On a further point, the last time I passed thorugh Zagreb airport (quite provincial and small), Emirates had its own check-in presence. Now Emirates owns 49% of Air Serbia so not only has Croatia engaged in anti-competitive behavior (even if Serbia is not an EU member), I'm sure this move will seriously p*ss off Emirates. Big mistake.
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
I guess the question is--Can Air Serbia sell tickets for someone to fly from Germany to Hungary via Belgrade? If not then Croatia has a legitimate stance, if they can then it is probably a political decision.
Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
They were corrupt before they joined the EU, they are still corrupt after they've joined the EU. But as long as it is fine with Berlin, it doesn't matter.
Still, a very dumb move by Croatia. Belgrade is shaping up to be the air transport hub of the Balkans and has had some serious investment in its infrastructure.
On a further point, the last time I passed thorugh Zagreb airport (quite provincial and small), Emirates had its own check-in presence. Now Emirates owns 49% of Air Serbia so not only has Croatia engaged in anti-competitive behavior (even if Serbia is not an EU member), I'm sure this move will seriously p*ss off Emirates. Big mistake.
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
I guess the question is--Can Air Serbia sell tickets for someone to fly from Germany to Hungary via Belgrade? If not then Croatia has a legitimate stance, if they can then it is probably a political decision.
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
(Questioner, 26 November 2014 13:45)
Q,
You may ask, but you will not like the answer. Since Serbia is not a member of the EU, she should not expect the advantage that, only, an EU member enjoys. That is a privilege of being part of an economic block. This is something that those opposed to joining the EU should seriously ponder. I'm speaking of B92 commentators such as sj and Ari Gold.
Very good that Croatia is playing hard ball with Serbia now. The Serbian chickens are coming back to roost back in the Serbian mental coop. With Serbias thievery of Croatian companys in the billions euros and fencing them on to its criminal "friends" Russia ,Greece and the governing political criminal class of Serbia past and present. Their are so many outstanding issues between Croatia and incorrigible Serbia. Serbia has been dragging its feet and only delaying with fork tongue lip service. Had decades to settle its numerous criminalitys with its neighbours. As for Croatian Airlines it is making a profit in a very competitive market. The only place it flies to in the middle east is to Isreal.
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
Most of this is inconvenient for most travelers to connect out of Zagreb and go through Belgrade then head back to a Western Europe nation. However, for the right price someone might do it. It happens in the US on domestic flights all the time. Croatia is just stipulating this because they know Air Serbia is close to getting flights to the US and Canada. They're mostly butt hurt over that, so this is their reaction. Also, I can fly to Serbia from the US via Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, etc or to Africa via those airlines out of the US, Mexico, China...anywhere...so what are they doing that's different than Air Serbia selling a flight from Zagreb connecting in Belgrade to any city Air Serbia flies? Answer: it's all the same,
"Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
(Ari Gold, 26 November 2014 17:21)"
Are you making flight plans to come home from the Hague, Ari?
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
(Aleks, 27 November 2014 08:22)
You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders.
I understand though that some people here are aghast to hear that there might be some benefits to the EU membership :)
"You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders. "
(icj1, 27 November 2014 17:30)
Thanks, what you wrote make some sense to me, thought the article itself says something different ('cannot grant it for flights from Zagreb to EU destinations via Belgrade'), thus is misleading.
So lets conclude: Being en EU member grants companies not to be discriminated by politics.
Very good that Croatia is playing hard ball with Serbia now. The Serbian chickens are coming back to roost back in the Serbian mental coop. With Serbias thievery of Croatian companys in the billions euros and fencing them on to its criminal "friends" Russia ,Greece and the governing political criminal class of Serbia past and present. Their are so many outstanding issues between Croatia and incorrigible Serbia. Serbia has been dragging its feet and only delaying with fork tongue lip service. Had decades to settle its numerous criminalitys with its neighbours. As for Croatian Airlines it is making a profit in a very competitive market. The only place it flies to in the middle east is to Isreal.
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
(Questioner, 26 November 2014 13:45)
Q,
You may ask, but you will not like the answer. Since Serbia is not a member of the EU, she should not expect the advantage that, only, an EU member enjoys. That is a privilege of being part of an economic block. This is something that those opposed to joining the EU should seriously ponder. I'm speaking of B92 commentators such as sj and Ari Gold.
They were corrupt before they joined the EU, they are still corrupt after they've joined the EU. But as long as it is fine with Berlin, it doesn't matter.
Still, a very dumb move by Croatia. Belgrade is shaping up to be the air transport hub of the Balkans and has had some serious investment in its infrastructure.
On a further point, the last time I passed thorugh Zagreb airport (quite provincial and small), Emirates had its own check-in presence. Now Emirates owns 49% of Air Serbia so not only has Croatia engaged in anti-competitive behavior (even if Serbia is not an EU member), I'm sure this move will seriously p*ss off Emirates. Big mistake.
Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
"Although Serbia and Croatia have signed an open skies agreement, the Croatian airline argues that Serbia cannot be selling tickets to passengers for flights from an EU member state’s city via Belgrade to a third destination in a European Union country."
And why not, if I may ask? What 'rule' should forbid that?
"Croatia is jealous that Serbia has managed to turn around its national airline in a matter of one year while its airline is still struggling like you wouldn't believe. Croatia would like to impede the inevitable and that's making Serbia the regional hub for air travel. So many more Croatian businesses operate in Serbia than vice-versa. Serbia should sanction these businesses until Croatia does what's right!
(Ari Gold, 26 November 2014 17:21)"
Are you making flight plans to come home from the Hague, Ari?
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
Most of this is inconvenient for most travelers to connect out of Zagreb and go through Belgrade then head back to a Western Europe nation. However, for the right price someone might do it. It happens in the US on domestic flights all the time. Croatia is just stipulating this because they know Air Serbia is close to getting flights to the US and Canada. They're mostly butt hurt over that, so this is their reaction. Also, I can fly to Serbia from the US via Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, etc or to Africa via those airlines out of the US, Mexico, China...anywhere...so what are they doing that's different than Air Serbia selling a flight from Zagreb connecting in Belgrade to any city Air Serbia flies? Answer: it's all the same,
I guess the question is--Can Air Serbia sell tickets for someone to fly from Germany to Hungary via Belgrade? If not then Croatia has a legitimate stance, if they can then it is probably a political decision.
Count of Kosova, what are you even talking about? You sound ridiculous, as usual. Why do you have to be an EU member to fly connecting flights from EU states? Before Croatian Air themselves were EU members, they were able to sell tickets of EU states in this manner. Middle East airlines sell originating tickets from the EU to connecting destinations. Air Serbia can sell a ticket from say Paris-Belgrade-Warsaw but somehow it's against some EU code or law to sell Zagreb-Belgrade-Warsaw? Zagreb's demand is something no other EU country has made, and your post shows just how clueless you are by suggesting that Air Serbia would be doing something wrong/illegal by selling connecting flights through Belgrade out of Zagreb.
(Aleks, 27 November 2014 08:22)
You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders.
I understand though that some people here are aghast to hear that there might be some benefits to the EU membership :)
"You missed the point mate :) Croatia has the discretion to decide whether to grant or not grant a license to a non-EU company. Either granting or not-granting the license would be legal. So Crotia can decide to grant it for Middle East airlines and not grant it for Serbian Airlines - it's in Croatia's discretion.
But, if it's an EU company that wants to do that, Croatia no longer has the discretion to refuse it because that would be a violation of the freedom of trade within EU borders. "
(icj1, 27 November 2014 17:30)
Thanks, what you wrote make some sense to me, thought the article itself says something different ('cannot grant it for flights from Zagreb to EU destinations via Belgrade'), thus is misleading.
So lets conclude: Being en EU member grants companies not to be discriminated by politics.
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