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Serbia won't join sanctions in coming "days, years"

President Tomislav Nikolić has said Serbia "will not impose sanctions on Russia at this moment," but that EU membership will mean "a common foreign policy."

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icj1

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed
(River Seine, 21 November 2014 01:57)

Well, "annex" in English means to incorporate (a country or other territory) within the domain of a state. Which part of the definition does not fit what Russia did?!

rote

pre 9 godina

gjon fusha

Should you make one or two mistakes I would rather help you but starting to educate someone from zero level is too much for me. Seems you are an alien to arrive from some other planet. Also you must be the only one here who does not know that I am a Russian. So best if you tell us about your planet before you put question about our Globe.

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money. (is this same as in yugo bratsvo-yedinstvo?)
2/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia. ( rivals for what?)
3/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent. (I do not understand, is more or is less? And free of what?)
4/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest. (Even today EU is giving more to Serbia. This according to your leaders)
5/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world. (Question is: will Serbia change? Because world is not changing much, even thou you like to be that way.)
6/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races. (Let me tell you the news: US+EU already have won that race.)
7/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at. (Depends from the site you looking at it. I do not blame you, your looking at it from Serbia. Russia influence is the worse in last 300 years)
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
8/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be. (7+8 I hope you know what you talking about because nobody does)

Ect. Ect. Ect. (Etc. Etc. Etc.)
(rote, 21 November 2014 08:18) gjon fusha

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Here we go. I've found a link to the story from euractiv, 21 nov.:

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/enlargement/eu-still-not-pressuring-serbia-over-russia-310233

EU still not pressuring Serbia over Russia



It couldn't be clearer

After the meeting with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić, Hahn stated that “at this moment” there are no pressures on Serbia to “fully harmonize with the European Union’s policy” and impose sanctions on Russia, but added that the harmonization is a part of the negotiations process.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Long live Serbia.Russia is not at fault as a whole in shamefull events in 1990-ths.Until such a disgracefull date there has never be a treason like this in Russian history and will never be one .Novorussia never be lost!Serbia never be lost!Because we are the same nation and have the same origin.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Здрави буди сърпски людие.СпасиБог.Сербия не дочь но брат России.Поэт Пушкин вел свою родословную от новгородскаго дружинника-воина(12 век) по имени Ратьша.Ельцин и другие дерьмокрады предали Сербию но не Россия.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.
(River Seine

Do you really believe that those masked soldiers without insignia who took over various strategic places in Crimea were locals?
Everyone knows better. I can respect a referendum but not the use of force if the local population is not in imminent danger.
Russia taking Crimea back is like Albania taking parts of Macedonia, MN, Greece and Serbia back.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

"However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it."

We can debate whether Kosovo set a precedent or not another time. My point was that Russia annexed Crimea and is using Kosovo as an excuse. Short term it was a nice play by Putin. We'll see how it works out for the Crimeans long term. But the point is how does this help Serbia. Don't you think it hurts Serbia?

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.
(Ari Gold,

I think you misunderstood again. Kosovo and Serbia combined cannot hurt Russia with their sanctions. They're symbolic in nature. As far as the rest, there's plenty of evidence that Serbs are major players in the drug and smuggling trade.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Re "Serbia must honor commitments, impose sanctions"
B92

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=20&nav_id=92307

via Večernje novosti
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/politika/aktuelno.289.html:520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije

"SRBIJA se pravno obavezala, u okviru pristupnih pregovora, da postepeno usaglasi svoje stavove sa EU, o teškim pitanjima kao što su sankcije Rusiji. To je veoma važno i očekujemo od Beograda da ispoštuje ovu obavezu."

The newspaper deliberately misquotes Hahn. I put the article in to Google translate.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novosti.rs%2Fvesti%2Fnaslovna%2Fpolitika%2Faktuelno.289.html%3A520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije&edit-text=

"SERBIA be legally bound, in the framework of the accession negotiations, to gradually harmonize their views with the EU on difficult issues such as sanctions on Russia. It is very important and we expect Belgrade to comply with this obligation."

Hahn here is referring to the obligation to eventually harmonize Serbia's foreign policy with the EU, NOT sanctions. He was referring to EU sanctions on Russia as an example, hence the use of 'such as' - which also means 'example'.

I knew there was something amiss in all this but didn't take account of journalist's jumping to conclusions without doublechecking.

Hahn has been entirely consistent. He just wasn't careful and clear enough.

sj

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)
There is little benefit in sticking with the EU. It does not bring prosperity as the colourful pamphlet claims, but rather you become a vassel state to Brussels and they are not kind to you. The first myth of joining the EU will vastly improve trade. Sadly that’s utter nonsense as it does not help Serbia but allows EU corporations to dump their produce onto the Serbian market at prices that even the Serbian farmer cannot dream to match despite the low wages. Second myth is vast wealth will be showered on Serbia once joining. Utter BS just ask the Croats on both fronts.
Let’s not dwell on recent members of the club, let’s look at Poland. A work colleague is Polish and she left the country in 1996 but went back to visit family in July 2014 and on return I asked what has changed? Her reply was very little, maybe some roads are better but everyone has said that taking the Euro was the worst decision yet because prices are in Euros but wages are still based on the old currency. Now based on the mythology of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow Poland should be something like say Belgium or Denmark.

rote

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money.
1/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia.
1/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent.
1/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest.
1/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world.
1/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races.
1/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at.
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
1/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be.

Ect. Ect. Ect.

River Seine

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)


That's not what Putin said. What Putin did was point out Western government hypocrisy by pretending that they have the moral right to decide which regions can be separated by force, and which need to stay put together. Ukraine, Bosnia have to stay together but Serbia can be dismembered. On its own, there is no doubt that the annexation of Crimea WAS ILLEGAL under international law. There isn't much wiggle room there. However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it.

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.

Kosovo_Polje1389

pre 9 godina

I don't understand why people are shocked by this statement, Serbia is an occupied nation, a puppet regime. Milan Nedic from 1941-1945 did more for Serbia that Nikolic and Vucic would ever do, and that's sad.

So it comes as a shock as to why the Russians are angry or upset at how Serbia isn't aligning to them? Well, maybe if Russia stepped in and defended Serbia from 1991-1999 then maybe this would never have happened. Russia did not even veto 1 security resolution in that 9 period, some brotherly relations there!

However, when you look at the Serbs themselves, would you really help them? Serbs kicked out one of the greatest leaders they ever had (Milosevic) just so they can enslave themselves and get free visas to Germany. Serbs from Krajina and Bosnia hate Serbs from Serbia because they are Serbs. Serb mentality!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Honor thy Mother! Lets start to remember to use the word NEVER regarding Serbia imposing sanctions on our Mother Russia! Russia NEVER hostile to Serbia, ALWAYS supportive and sympathetic to our Serbian people. USA, England, Germany and Roman Catholic Empire International Communtiy ALWAYS hostile to Serbia, NEVER friendly. Any country, nation or person who is asking Serbia to impose hostile intents towards Russia is NO friend of our Serbian Nation and people! The Serbian Nation from the cradle of it's heart must NEVER permit any hostile intentions towards Mother Russia! Today Russia a growing Empire in the Great Eastern World along with China and India. The Eastern World NEVER hostile towards Serbia, always supportive and sympathetic. There should be no confusion for the Serbian people, we for sure know who are enemies are and who our friends are. Russia is not only our friend, it is much more than that! Russia and Serbia from the begining of time to the end of time is one Slavic people, Brothers in Blood, Religion and Language. Today for Slavic Eastern Orthodox People in the Balkans and Europe a new era, Liberty and Peace is the Goal. Serbian people must be united totally to achieve positive direction leading to the goal of Liberty and Peace. Today we must make the right decisions that will ensure that our Race continue and prosper. We all unite and pray that our children and their children and so on NEVER have to experiance the horrors of the past from the evil invaders!

rote

pre 9 godina

EU attack on Serbia was the top news in Russian mass media this Thursday. The only question asked if Serbs can withstand the blackmail called as pressure. They also say it's a moment of truth for our relations. I personally trust both Nikolic and Vucic especially now that Seselj is breathing at them from behind.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this one.
Serbia has been crying since 1999 about Kosovo being taken away by force. We've all heard the cries about how it's the cradle of their 'civilization' and how the indigenous and largest population of Kosovo should be treated like secondhand citizens and according to Serbian constitution aren't allowed to vote (correct me if I'm wrong here).

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine, a sovereign country, and annexed Crimea, a move that was condemned by most civilized and principled countries.
Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!
Sanctions by Serbia would be symbolic in nature only and would in no way cause any economic harm to Russia, much like the sanctions placed by Kosovo.

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ivan

So please lead your people towards Russia. No one cares about where serbia wants to go regardless where serbia goes it will not succeed. Russia is failing and is continuing to do so. How much longer can putin make this ride last on nationalism? It is a matter of time before Russians start to figure out that Putin has been playing them all along. So go towards east and perish with mother Russia.

fas

pre 9 godina

There was a time just recently when the US imposed quisling cult would have sold anybody, even their own mothers to a certain death in NATO´s "tribunal" or would have cut ties or betrayed Russia or done anything, whatever against it´s own crucial interest, for less then 20 pieces of silver, even for a distant rumour of a future membership.

They have finally realized that the 90´s are long over and their own filthy skin is within reach of the Serbian people...

ivan

pre 9 godina

Very good decision. It's a good thing to see Nikolic was some backbone. That's all we need now is to turn our backs to the very people that we depend on for a promise that will never come to be. As bad as the economy is, sanctioning Russia would be suicidal. And for what? This is not about EU membership rather, this is to aid a terrorist state (US) which could not careless about Serbia, and which has bombed us without mercy, impose its will on Russia. Look to the east Serbia, that's where your future lies.

ivan

pre 9 godina

Very good decision. It's a good thing to see Nikolic was some backbone. That's all we need now is to turn our backs to the very people that we depend on for a promise that will never come to be. As bad as the economy is, sanctioning Russia would be suicidal. And for what? This is not about EU membership rather, this is to aid a terrorist state (US) which could not careless about Serbia, and which has bombed us without mercy, impose its will on Russia. Look to the east Serbia, that's where your future lies.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Honor thy Mother! Lets start to remember to use the word NEVER regarding Serbia imposing sanctions on our Mother Russia! Russia NEVER hostile to Serbia, ALWAYS supportive and sympathetic to our Serbian people. USA, England, Germany and Roman Catholic Empire International Communtiy ALWAYS hostile to Serbia, NEVER friendly. Any country, nation or person who is asking Serbia to impose hostile intents towards Russia is NO friend of our Serbian Nation and people! The Serbian Nation from the cradle of it's heart must NEVER permit any hostile intentions towards Mother Russia! Today Russia a growing Empire in the Great Eastern World along with China and India. The Eastern World NEVER hostile towards Serbia, always supportive and sympathetic. There should be no confusion for the Serbian people, we for sure know who are enemies are and who our friends are. Russia is not only our friend, it is much more than that! Russia and Serbia from the begining of time to the end of time is one Slavic people, Brothers in Blood, Religion and Language. Today for Slavic Eastern Orthodox People in the Balkans and Europe a new era, Liberty and Peace is the Goal. Serbian people must be united totally to achieve positive direction leading to the goal of Liberty and Peace. Today we must make the right decisions that will ensure that our Race continue and prosper. We all unite and pray that our children and their children and so on NEVER have to experiance the horrors of the past from the evil invaders!

rote

pre 9 godina

EU attack on Serbia was the top news in Russian mass media this Thursday. The only question asked if Serbs can withstand the blackmail called as pressure. They also say it's a moment of truth for our relations. I personally trust both Nikolic and Vucic especially now that Seselj is breathing at them from behind.

sj

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)
There is little benefit in sticking with the EU. It does not bring prosperity as the colourful pamphlet claims, but rather you become a vassel state to Brussels and they are not kind to you. The first myth of joining the EU will vastly improve trade. Sadly that’s utter nonsense as it does not help Serbia but allows EU corporations to dump their produce onto the Serbian market at prices that even the Serbian farmer cannot dream to match despite the low wages. Second myth is vast wealth will be showered on Serbia once joining. Utter BS just ask the Croats on both fronts.
Let’s not dwell on recent members of the club, let’s look at Poland. A work colleague is Polish and she left the country in 1996 but went back to visit family in July 2014 and on return I asked what has changed? Her reply was very little, maybe some roads are better but everyone has said that taking the Euro was the worst decision yet because prices are in Euros but wages are still based on the old currency. Now based on the mythology of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow Poland should be something like say Belgium or Denmark.

fas

pre 9 godina

There was a time just recently when the US imposed quisling cult would have sold anybody, even their own mothers to a certain death in NATO´s "tribunal" or would have cut ties or betrayed Russia or done anything, whatever against it´s own crucial interest, for less then 20 pieces of silver, even for a distant rumour of a future membership.

They have finally realized that the 90´s are long over and their own filthy skin is within reach of the Serbian people...

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)


That's not what Putin said. What Putin did was point out Western government hypocrisy by pretending that they have the moral right to decide which regions can be separated by force, and which need to stay put together. Ukraine, Bosnia have to stay together but Serbia can be dismembered. On its own, there is no doubt that the annexation of Crimea WAS ILLEGAL under international law. There isn't much wiggle room there. However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it.

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ivan

So please lead your people towards Russia. No one cares about where serbia wants to go regardless where serbia goes it will not succeed. Russia is failing and is continuing to do so. How much longer can putin make this ride last on nationalism? It is a matter of time before Russians start to figure out that Putin has been playing them all along. So go towards east and perish with mother Russia.

River Seine

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.

rote

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money.
1/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia.
1/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent.
1/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest.
1/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world.
1/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races.
1/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at.
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
1/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be.

Ect. Ect. Ect.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this one.
Serbia has been crying since 1999 about Kosovo being taken away by force. We've all heard the cries about how it's the cradle of their 'civilization' and how the indigenous and largest population of Kosovo should be treated like secondhand citizens and according to Serbian constitution aren't allowed to vote (correct me if I'm wrong here).

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine, a sovereign country, and annexed Crimea, a move that was condemned by most civilized and principled countries.
Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!
Sanctions by Serbia would be symbolic in nature only and would in no way cause any economic harm to Russia, much like the sanctions placed by Kosovo.

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

"However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it."

We can debate whether Kosovo set a precedent or not another time. My point was that Russia annexed Crimea and is using Kosovo as an excuse. Short term it was a nice play by Putin. We'll see how it works out for the Crimeans long term. But the point is how does this help Serbia. Don't you think it hurts Serbia?

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.
(Ari Gold,

I think you misunderstood again. Kosovo and Serbia combined cannot hurt Russia with their sanctions. They're symbolic in nature. As far as the rest, there's plenty of evidence that Serbs are major players in the drug and smuggling trade.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.
(River Seine

Do you really believe that those masked soldiers without insignia who took over various strategic places in Crimea were locals?
Everyone knows better. I can respect a referendum but not the use of force if the local population is not in imminent danger.
Russia taking Crimea back is like Albania taking parts of Macedonia, MN, Greece and Serbia back.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Re "Serbia must honor commitments, impose sanctions"
B92

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=20&nav_id=92307

via Večernje novosti
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/politika/aktuelno.289.html:520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije

"SRBIJA se pravno obavezala, u okviru pristupnih pregovora, da postepeno usaglasi svoje stavove sa EU, o teškim pitanjima kao što su sankcije Rusiji. To je veoma važno i očekujemo od Beograda da ispoštuje ovu obavezu."

The newspaper deliberately misquotes Hahn. I put the article in to Google translate.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novosti.rs%2Fvesti%2Fnaslovna%2Fpolitika%2Faktuelno.289.html%3A520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije&edit-text=

"SERBIA be legally bound, in the framework of the accession negotiations, to gradually harmonize their views with the EU on difficult issues such as sanctions on Russia. It is very important and we expect Belgrade to comply with this obligation."

Hahn here is referring to the obligation to eventually harmonize Serbia's foreign policy with the EU, NOT sanctions. He was referring to EU sanctions on Russia as an example, hence the use of 'such as' - which also means 'example'.

I knew there was something amiss in all this but didn't take account of journalist's jumping to conclusions without doublechecking.

Hahn has been entirely consistent. He just wasn't careful and clear enough.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Long live Serbia.Russia is not at fault as a whole in shamefull events in 1990-ths.Until such a disgracefull date there has never be a treason like this in Russian history and will never be one .Novorussia never be lost!Serbia never be lost!Because we are the same nation and have the same origin.

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money. (is this same as in yugo bratsvo-yedinstvo?)
2/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia. ( rivals for what?)
3/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent. (I do not understand, is more or is less? And free of what?)
4/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest. (Even today EU is giving more to Serbia. This according to your leaders)
5/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world. (Question is: will Serbia change? Because world is not changing much, even thou you like to be that way.)
6/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races. (Let me tell you the news: US+EU already have won that race.)
7/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at. (Depends from the site you looking at it. I do not blame you, your looking at it from Serbia. Russia influence is the worse in last 300 years)
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
8/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be. (7+8 I hope you know what you talking about because nobody does)

Ect. Ect. Ect. (Etc. Etc. Etc.)
(rote, 21 November 2014 08:18) gjon fusha

Kosovo_Polje1389

pre 9 godina

I don't understand why people are shocked by this statement, Serbia is an occupied nation, a puppet regime. Milan Nedic from 1941-1945 did more for Serbia that Nikolic and Vucic would ever do, and that's sad.

So it comes as a shock as to why the Russians are angry or upset at how Serbia isn't aligning to them? Well, maybe if Russia stepped in and defended Serbia from 1991-1999 then maybe this would never have happened. Russia did not even veto 1 security resolution in that 9 period, some brotherly relations there!

However, when you look at the Serbs themselves, would you really help them? Serbs kicked out one of the greatest leaders they ever had (Milosevic) just so they can enslave themselves and get free visas to Germany. Serbs from Krajina and Bosnia hate Serbs from Serbia because they are Serbs. Serb mentality!

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Here we go. I've found a link to the story from euractiv, 21 nov.:

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/enlargement/eu-still-not-pressuring-serbia-over-russia-310233

EU still not pressuring Serbia over Russia



It couldn't be clearer

After the meeting with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić, Hahn stated that “at this moment” there are no pressures on Serbia to “fully harmonize with the European Union’s policy” and impose sanctions on Russia, but added that the harmonization is a part of the negotiations process.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed
(River Seine, 21 November 2014 01:57)

Well, "annex" in English means to incorporate (a country or other territory) within the domain of a state. Which part of the definition does not fit what Russia did?!

rote

pre 9 godina

gjon fusha

Should you make one or two mistakes I would rather help you but starting to educate someone from zero level is too much for me. Seems you are an alien to arrive from some other planet. Also you must be the only one here who does not know that I am a Russian. So best if you tell us about your planet before you put question about our Globe.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Здрави буди сърпски людие.СпасиБог.Сербия не дочь но брат России.Поэт Пушкин вел свою родословную от новгородскаго дружинника-воина(12 век) по имени Ратьша.Ельцин и другие дерьмокрады предали Сербию но не Россия.

Albanian

pre 9 godina

@Ivan

So please lead your people towards Russia. No one cares about where serbia wants to go regardless where serbia goes it will not succeed. Russia is failing and is continuing to do so. How much longer can putin make this ride last on nationalism? It is a matter of time before Russians start to figure out that Putin has been playing them all along. So go towards east and perish with mother Russia.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this one.
Serbia has been crying since 1999 about Kosovo being taken away by force. We've all heard the cries about how it's the cradle of their 'civilization' and how the indigenous and largest population of Kosovo should be treated like secondhand citizens and according to Serbian constitution aren't allowed to vote (correct me if I'm wrong here).

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine, a sovereign country, and annexed Crimea, a move that was condemned by most civilized and principled countries.
Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!
Sanctions by Serbia would be symbolic in nature only and would in no way cause any economic harm to Russia, much like the sanctions placed by Kosovo.

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

Honor thy Mother! Lets start to remember to use the word NEVER regarding Serbia imposing sanctions on our Mother Russia! Russia NEVER hostile to Serbia, ALWAYS supportive and sympathetic to our Serbian people. USA, England, Germany and Roman Catholic Empire International Communtiy ALWAYS hostile to Serbia, NEVER friendly. Any country, nation or person who is asking Serbia to impose hostile intents towards Russia is NO friend of our Serbian Nation and people! The Serbian Nation from the cradle of it's heart must NEVER permit any hostile intentions towards Mother Russia! Today Russia a growing Empire in the Great Eastern World along with China and India. The Eastern World NEVER hostile towards Serbia, always supportive and sympathetic. There should be no confusion for the Serbian people, we for sure know who are enemies are and who our friends are. Russia is not only our friend, it is much more than that! Russia and Serbia from the begining of time to the end of time is one Slavic people, Brothers in Blood, Religion and Language. Today for Slavic Eastern Orthodox People in the Balkans and Europe a new era, Liberty and Peace is the Goal. Serbian people must be united totally to achieve positive direction leading to the goal of Liberty and Peace. Today we must make the right decisions that will ensure that our Race continue and prosper. We all unite and pray that our children and their children and so on NEVER have to experiance the horrors of the past from the evil invaders!

rote

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money.
1/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia.
1/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent.
1/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest.
1/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world.
1/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races.
1/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at.
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
1/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be.

Ect. Ect. Ect.

River Seine

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.

ivan

pre 9 godina

Very good decision. It's a good thing to see Nikolic was some backbone. That's all we need now is to turn our backs to the very people that we depend on for a promise that will never come to be. As bad as the economy is, sanctioning Russia would be suicidal. And for what? This is not about EU membership rather, this is to aid a terrorist state (US) which could not careless about Serbia, and which has bombed us without mercy, impose its will on Russia. Look to the east Serbia, that's where your future lies.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed it was taken back into Russia where it belonged after a referendum and not stolen as Kosovo has been by the NATO warmongers and illegal immigration leading to demographic distortions during the Tito era.You know this ,just do the honorable thing,apologise and admit it.
(River Seine

Do you really believe that those masked soldiers without insignia who took over various strategic places in Crimea were locals?
Everyone knows better. I can respect a referendum but not the use of force if the local population is not in imminent danger.
Russia taking Crimea back is like Albania taking parts of Macedonia, MN, Greece and Serbia back.

rote

pre 9 godina

EU attack on Serbia was the top news in Russian mass media this Thursday. The only question asked if Serbs can withstand the blackmail called as pressure. They also say it's a moment of truth for our relations. I personally trust both Nikolic and Vucic especially now that Seselj is breathing at them from behind.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Putin says if Kosovo can go then so can Crimea. I get his play.

That was a really hard and embarrassing slap in the face to Serbia over Kosovo!

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)


That's not what Putin said. What Putin did was point out Western government hypocrisy by pretending that they have the moral right to decide which regions can be separated by force, and which need to stay put together. Ukraine, Bosnia have to stay together but Serbia can be dismembered. On its own, there is no doubt that the annexation of Crimea WAS ILLEGAL under international law. There isn't much wiggle room there. However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it.

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.

Kosovo_Polje1389

pre 9 godina

I don't understand why people are shocked by this statement, Serbia is an occupied nation, a puppet regime. Milan Nedic from 1941-1945 did more for Serbia that Nikolic and Vucic would ever do, and that's sad.

So it comes as a shock as to why the Russians are angry or upset at how Serbia isn't aligning to them? Well, maybe if Russia stepped in and defended Serbia from 1991-1999 then maybe this would never have happened. Russia did not even veto 1 security resolution in that 9 period, some brotherly relations there!

However, when you look at the Serbs themselves, would you really help them? Serbs kicked out one of the greatest leaders they ever had (Milosevic) just so they can enslave themselves and get free visas to Germany. Serbs from Krajina and Bosnia hate Serbs from Serbia because they are Serbs. Serb mentality!

sj

pre 9 godina

Can someone explain to me how Serbia benefits today by sticking by Russia and not EU?
(cry me a river, 20 November 2014 20:08)
There is little benefit in sticking with the EU. It does not bring prosperity as the colourful pamphlet claims, but rather you become a vassel state to Brussels and they are not kind to you. The first myth of joining the EU will vastly improve trade. Sadly that’s utter nonsense as it does not help Serbia but allows EU corporations to dump their produce onto the Serbian market at prices that even the Serbian farmer cannot dream to match despite the low wages. Second myth is vast wealth will be showered on Serbia once joining. Utter BS just ask the Croats on both fronts.
Let’s not dwell on recent members of the club, let’s look at Poland. A work colleague is Polish and she left the country in 1996 but went back to visit family in July 2014 and on return I asked what has changed? Her reply was very little, maybe some roads are better but everyone has said that taking the Euro was the worst decision yet because prices are in Euros but wages are still based on the old currency. Now based on the mythology of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow Poland should be something like say Belgium or Denmark.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

"However, there is also a thing called precedent and that is what Putin is exactly demonstrating to the West. Putin using Kosovo-Metohija is not a slap in the face to Serbia, on the contrary! It reminds Western governments that their illegal and immoral campaign to separate Serbia from her holy land is what gave Russia the confidence to annex Crimea and feel they can get away with it."

We can debate whether Kosovo set a precedent or not another time. My point was that Russia annexed Crimea and is using Kosovo as an excuse. Short term it was a nice play by Putin. We'll see how it works out for the Crimeans long term. But the point is how does this help Serbia. Don't you think it hurts Serbia?

As far as sanctions, that could be the most ridiculous idea that any one is floating around. Of course Russia isn't feeling sanctions from Pristina, what are you high? Russia is not a market for Albanian heroin and sex slaves, that mainly goes to Western Europe. But Serbia would hurt its economy by sanctioning Russia, it would basically be sanctioning itself.
(Ari Gold,

I think you misunderstood again. Kosovo and Serbia combined cannot hurt Russia with their sanctions. They're symbolic in nature. As far as the rest, there's plenty of evidence that Serbs are major players in the drug and smuggling trade.

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

1/ Because brotherhood is not counted with money. (is this same as in yugo bratsvo-yedinstvo?)
2/ Because all Serbia’s rivals want Serbia it to be away from Russia. ( rivals for what?)
3/ Because thanks to those relations Serbia is the only more or less free country on the continent. (I do not understand, is more or is less? And free of what?)
4/ Because it’s a big question who can give more to Serbia economically to say nothing of the rest. (Even today EU is giving more to Serbia. This according to your leaders)
5/ Because only God knows how long Serbia will stay within the SAA in this fast changing world. (Question is: will Serbia change? Because world is not changing much, even thou you like to be that way.)
6/ Because the balance of force in Europe will depend on the outcome of the US-Russian races. (Let me tell you the news: US+EU already have won that race.)
7/ Because Russian influence is increasing while EU becomes a clown to be laughed at. (Depends from the site you looking at it. I do not blame you, your looking at it from Serbia. Russia influence is the worse in last 300 years)
1/ Because the West is losing it positions outside the Golden Billion.
8/ Even inside this Billion many states remain as poor as they used to be. (7+8 I hope you know what you talking about because nobody does)

Ect. Ect. Ect. (Etc. Etc. Etc.)
(rote, 21 November 2014 08:18) gjon fusha

fas

pre 9 godina

There was a time just recently when the US imposed quisling cult would have sold anybody, even their own mothers to a certain death in NATO´s "tribunal" or would have cut ties or betrayed Russia or done anything, whatever against it´s own crucial interest, for less then 20 pieces of silver, even for a distant rumour of a future membership.

They have finally realized that the 90´s are long over and their own filthy skin is within reach of the Serbian people...

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Re "Serbia must honor commitments, impose sanctions"
B92

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=20&nav_id=92307

via Večernje novosti
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/politika/aktuelno.289.html:520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije

"SRBIJA se pravno obavezala, u okviru pristupnih pregovora, da postepeno usaglasi svoje stavove sa EU, o teškim pitanjima kao što su sankcije Rusiji. To je veoma važno i očekujemo od Beograda da ispoštuje ovu obavezu."

The newspaper deliberately misquotes Hahn. I put the article in to Google translate.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novosti.rs%2Fvesti%2Fnaslovna%2Fpolitika%2Faktuelno.289.html%3A520402-Han-Sankcije-Rusiji---obaveza-Srbije&edit-text=

"SERBIA be legally bound, in the framework of the accession negotiations, to gradually harmonize their views with the EU on difficult issues such as sanctions on Russia. It is very important and we expect Belgrade to comply with this obligation."

Hahn here is referring to the obligation to eventually harmonize Serbia's foreign policy with the EU, NOT sanctions. He was referring to EU sanctions on Russia as an example, hence the use of 'such as' - which also means 'example'.

I knew there was something amiss in all this but didn't take account of journalist's jumping to conclusions without doublechecking.

Hahn has been entirely consistent. He just wasn't careful and clear enough.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Здрави буди сърпски людие.СпасиБог.Сербия не дочь но брат России.Поэт Пушкин вел свою родословную от новгородскаго дружинника-воина(12 век) по имени Ратьша.Ельцин и другие дерьмокрады предали Сербию но не Россия.

yamgourchi

pre 9 godina

Long live Serbia.Russia is not at fault as a whole in shamefull events in 1990-ths.Until such a disgracefull date there has never be a treason like this in Russian history and will never be one .Novorussia never be lost!Serbia never be lost!Because we are the same nation and have the same origin.

rote

pre 9 godina

gjon fusha

Should you make one or two mistakes I would rather help you but starting to educate someone from zero level is too much for me. Seems you are an alien to arrive from some other planet. Also you must be the only one here who does not know that I am a Russian. So best if you tell us about your planet before you put question about our Globe.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Here we go. I've found a link to the story from euractiv, 21 nov.:

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/enlargement/eu-still-not-pressuring-serbia-over-russia-310233

EU still not pressuring Serbia over Russia



It couldn't be clearer

After the meeting with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić, Hahn stated that “at this moment” there are no pressures on Serbia to “fully harmonize with the European Union’s policy” and impose sanctions on Russia, but added that the harmonization is a part of the negotiations process.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Crimea,river, was not annexed
(River Seine, 21 November 2014 01:57)

Well, "annex" in English means to incorporate (a country or other territory) within the domain of a state. Which part of the definition does not fit what Russia did?!