Merkel warns about "Russia's influence" in Serbia

If Mutti Merkel is that worried about Big Bad Rusland poaching on lands she believes Germany is entitled to, then perhaps she needs to view the Balkans and Near Abroad in less sterile and condescending manners. We've seen her indifference to Greece, we pretty much accept her general ignorance of the rest of the Balkans, and very few people generally believe in her sincerity over Ukraine, so let's dispense with the theatrics and realize the more you wag your finger at something you don't like, the more the people who don't care what you think is good for "Europe" will look for alternatives, which pretty much explains why and how Russia and China have been able to embed themselves in the places they have.

(LK, 17 November 2014 16:45)

The problem is, you cannot be democratic or even a country for that matter while you are a part of the EU. The EU is not a trading bloc any more, it is a super-state. Serbia must run as far as possible away from the EU.

That's not to say that Serbia should isolate itself towards Russia. Thing is though, Russia has never asked Serbia to do such a thing. Russia has always wanted Serbia's and the regions natural gas and by and large, it has that. But Russia has never said that Serbia needs to "harmonize" its foreign policy to meet Russia standards. In fact, some suggest Russia's interests would be better served if Serbia was in the EU.

The problem is that EU politicians are the ones who are totalitarian, trying to subjugate Serbia to take unfriendly measures against Russia. Serbia should not be a Russian satellite, but Serbia should under no circumstances ever sanction Russia or have bad relations with Russia. Anyone who is demanding this of Serbia is no friend of hers.

Merkel and most of the rest of NATO and the EU are pusing Serbia into the arms of Russia. Russia has been Serbia's best ally at the UN blocking international recognition of Kosovo's secession from Serbia.

If Merkel, and the rest of the Western world, had the same concern for Serbia's territorial integrity that they have for Ukraine's territorial integrity, then Serbia wouldn't need to be as closely allied to Russia as it is.

The West can't have it both ways. If Albanians in Kosovo can unilaterally secede from Serbia without the consent of Belgrade, then Russians in Crimea and Donbas can unilaterally secede from Ukraine without the consent of Kiev.

By the same token, the Russians can't have it both ways either. They can't criticize NATO policy in the Balkans while doing exactly the same thing in Ukraine.

Serbia is caught between the hypocrisy of the West and the hypocrisy of Russia. The only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia and the West isn't. If Serbia is forced to choose, then Serbia has to choose Russia because at least Russia supports Serbia's territorial integrity.

Serbia's future is with the the EU and Democratic insitutions, not with the backwards and authoritarian Russia under Putin. Forget phony 100 year historical alliances, there are more Serbs in Vienna or Munich than in all of Russia. Far more Serbs speak English and German than Russian. This says it all. Russia looks to the past for greatness, whereas Serbia, and the rest of the Western Balkans need to look towards the future for greatness, not the past.

And one final thing. How is Russia supporting Serbia in regards to Kosovo, when it is actively encouraging and supporting separatists in Crimea and Donbas? By doing that, Russia is throwing Serbia under the bus for their own desires in those regions. They're legitimizing the same separatism that they "opposed" in Kosovo. So Russia is not really supporting Serbia, they're just using the Kosovo issue for their own selfish desires, while stabbing Serbia in the back.

Again we see this confusing the Russian Federation with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ironic, isn't it, that when the GDR (Not a soviet, by the way, an independent country.) looked to Moscow, it went to a Ukrainian, not a Russian. And how could Ukraine, right on Russia's border not be in Russia's "sphere of influence". How can a country as wealthy, successful and historically powerful as the body of the Russian Federation not have a sphere of influence beyond its borders?

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.

Eu just like US are work ants that must stay quite and ensure lots of cash flow to all those slave holdings called companies to ensure thier offshore accounts grow nothing for the people is how it will be and keep dreaming free..

It's all too easy to be lured by Russia with its promises of investments, brotherhood and with a 'we will show them' attitude.
But Serbia needs to be screwd and outfox the fox, so to speak, or it will find itself on a road from which it will be extremely difficult to turn back from, once it finds that the 'carrot' Russia is holding didn't turn out to be so sweet after all.
Going it alone is out of the question. Serbia isn't Swtzerland and will not be anything like it. Well, at least not in the near future any way.
So the EU is the much safer and secure option for the long run. And should the EU prove to be disappointing (as some of you will undoubtly think it will be) then one can withdraw should one wish to do so.
The USSR, which Putin is so desperately trying to resurrect, was an empire build on intimidation, tyranny and eventually disillusionment and should Putin succeed (which he wont) it will be, again, just that.
None of the countries that were once (forcefully) part of this alignment have the desire to return to the old ways.
Which is why I am sure Serbia will make the right choice and Merkel should not be afraid.

Serbia is still, since NATO won the war, an occupied country with 1.800 western NGO´s and a US imposed quisling cult running the show but as the little imperial anglo-zionist club "international community" consisting of the US,israel and her European vassals are in steady decline, Serbia goes east, to Russia BRICS and the free world, the real international community in the multipolar world.

Even with a quisling regime and imperial governors, the Germans and the anglo-zionists never trused Serbia and their intention was never to allow their war trophy to get the few benefits of the occupation, only obligations and punishments. History proves this fact.

How can you trust the victim of your own hate and aggressions? You simply can´t, once the victim get´s on it´s feet he will take the first best opportunity to break free and strike you down as Frau Merkel is acutely aware, since German fascists where chased out under humiliating circumstances two times in history. This latest Drang nach osten will mark the third. They never learn...

What Should the Serbian Nation Do When It Is Treated With Contempt? 1999 was one of the most humiliating experiances in Serbian history. Never in history was Serbia more dishonered and disgraced before the entire world. USA and England under the direction of Germany create a world wide demonizing hate campaign against Serbia, a direct copy of the " Final Solution " Hitler used in the 1930's to demonize and isolate Jewish people and then to exterminate them all! Angela Merkel mentions " Horrors of World War Two ", who was responsable for all these horrors? As a matter of fact who was responsable for both world wars in the last century? Who was responsable for the death and destruction of Jugoslavia in the 1990's? In the 1990's United States and England used its military to conquer Jugoslavia and it did so at the behest of Germany. Germany managed to get USA and NATO to do all the dirty work! State by state Jugoslavia has been conquered. Even the name Jugoslavia has been discarded, it isn't on the map any more! Jugoslavia has been blotted out all because Germany wanted it done. What happened to Jugoslavia Czar Vlade has not forgotten, what occurred there is etched in his memory and enrages him to this day. When Czar Vlade says Russians remember 1999, he is saying that they have deep emotions about it to this day. That rage still burns within Czar Vlade, he has a lot of power today and a strong memory what happened to Jugoslavia. Serbia stay strong with Russia a new era!!!

All albanian population (90%) was driven out of kosovo by the serb army into neighboring Macedonia and Albania. Thousands of albanias were killed by the serb army.
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(boom, 17 November 2014 23:46)

Wait, was it murder or did they get kicked out? On one hand you say the entire population was kicked out, then how could Serbia have murdered anyone. If you look at demographics of Kosovo-Metohija, after WWII during Communist Yugoslavia there was a huge spike in settlers from Albania and the number of Albanians flocking to Kosovo-Metohija has never decreased the end of the millennium.

From 1945 to 1999, the Albanian population did not go down. Not for one year, not for one minute of any day, only up. You're a ridiculous fool peddling lies without presenting any proof because there are none. You are welcome to peddle these lies, but what's pathetic is to pretend you are Serbian as if that somehow validates your garbage.

(Ari Gold, 18 November 2014 11:14)

God, you even deny the ethnic cleansing which took place in Kosovo and all over the Balkans. As proven many times over and over by the international court of justice, and other reputable sources that took was conducted by serb miligtary forces. You areally are something else, and as many people mentioned here before, your comments resemble Nazi ideology.. You deliberately spread wrong information (e.g.. Eu moneytransfered to Serbia) and seem to be nothing but a big huge bag of hate which you spread around. Go and talk to shrink, but it might already be too late for that.

If Russia's influence attempts to pierce south, We the entire Albanian nation of Southern Europe will confront and resist fiercely this wild bear of the north! For to long Russia's expansionist ideas of Southern Europe thru her sister satellite state of Serbia have been looked at as not being a major priority by western policy makers, this holds true of the past, and it was a monumental mistake and led to 60 years of a the primitive system of communism! Hopefully, this time they the west will have the courage & will to confront this old wild beast of the north, putting a final end to her monstrous ambitions!!!

Ari Gold
"As far as the EU, they do not give much money to Serbia at all. A couple of million of dollars their governments give in exchange for the billions they have caused bombing Serbian hospitals and schools"
Do you actually believe the manure you are shoveling or just hope to convince some illiterate dope that you actually know what you are talking about?
Remember when Serb govt officials set out before flood waters had even peaked to beg for any penny they could and EU countries donated hundreds of millions of dollars.
The US spent more than 30 million in foreign aid to Serbia last year alone.
Billions of destruction from the bombing, what a joke!
You have lived in a world of lies so long, you no longer know what truth is.

@ ari gold
there you have it, read the link and you will see that not only did we drive out of Kosovo the albanian population but in the process we killed, raped and abused thousands of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War#Massacres
Yes, you are right, sometimes when I read your hateful comments I wish I was not serb.

Frau Merkel the Russian influence in Serbia is Huge, Huge did you hear me say Huge

ZIVIO,Vojislav Seselj,"MARCH ON!

Well, in reality Serbia can't have it both ways. Shows that you are living in a different universe if you think the west can be told by Serbia which way it has to act. The west doesn't need Serbia, but Serbia needs the West to survive. Without the money from the EU Serbia will be bancrupt very soon.
(observer, 18 November 2014 10:09)

It's the West that has interest in the Balkans. Numerically speaking, you cannot control the region if you do not control Serbs. Serbia is the largest country in the region, Serbs make up the largest ethnic group in the region. Serbia is strategically centered between all the other countries in the region and without it, no imperialist ambitions of the West are possible to sustain.

As far as the EU, they do not give much money to Serbia at all. A couple of million of dollars their governments give in exchange for the billions they have caused bombing Serbian hospitals and schools. What Western investors bring to Serbia is due to their ability to turn a profit. They could give a damn about Kosovo-Metohija, or what even their own governments' have in store for the region. By and large, most of them just want to be able to do business and make money.

Serbia should always offer the right conditions for investment from private companies from the West. But as far as heading towards the path to hell by trying to join the EU, not only will it never happen for Serbia, Albania or Bosnia... but it's actually detrimental to even try.

Germany trying to cover up their disgusting and borderline satanic war crimes since 1914. Let us never forget Germany started both WW1 and WW2 and are directly responsible for the death of more than 20, 000, 000 people. German politics is still continuing to kill men women and children.

Now the Anglo Saxon and Tudor nations are joining forces because they finally realise they have the same enemy...Russia.

I though imperialism and slavery were abolished? I guess I was wrong!!!!!!

@ Ari Gold

it is good to see that more and more people had enough of your daily hate rampages here and the sick lies you spread. Face it: people had enough of it after reading your crap for years. You are no friend of Serbia, you try to pull it back into the dark Milosevic years, you are one of those brainwashed lunatics which try to prevent Serbia from a country facing reality and becoming a normal country.

Serbia is caught between the hypocrisy of the West and the hypocrisy of Russia. The only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia and the West isn't. If Serbia is forced to choose, then Serbia has to choose Russia because at least Russia supports Serbia's territorial integrity.
(Alex R., 17 November 2014 20:07)

But you just said that Russia is doing the same thing as the West, so I don't get how your reasoning jumps to the conclusion that "the only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia" when both Russia and the West are rejecting Serbia's arguments in regards to Kosovo. The only difference is that the West is keeping Serbia afloat with billions in aid, whereas Russia is cutting the gas supply to Serbia in the middle of the winter over just $ 200 million. Very "supportive" indeed :)

The West can't have it both ways
Alex

Well, in reality Serbia can't have it both ways. Shows that you are living in a different universe if you think the west can be told by Serbia which way it has to act. The west doesn't need Serbia, but Serbia needs the West to survive. Without the money from the EU Serbia will be bancrupt very soon.

Ari Gold,
Stop lying. 1) After WWW 2 , Albania became the most isolated communist country. Nobody could get out or in the country without permission from the government. And the government did not give permission unless you performed government duty. Kosovo Albanians were always there.

2) After WW 2 , Albania had about 1 million people. Today it has about 3 million people. How did they manage to triple their population in about 60 years, while massively leaving for Kosovo? Furthermore you have about 2 million Albanians in Kosovo.How did we get to this number by only 1 million people starting population in Albania? Not to mention the other 1 million today's Albanian in Macedonia, then part of Yugoslavia.
Give me a logical explanation or shut up. Stop humiliating yourself.

@Alex
...The West can't have it both ways. If Albanians in Kosovo can unilaterally secede from Serbia without the consent of Belgrade, then Russians in Crimea and Donbas can unilaterally secede from Ukraine without the consent of Kiev...

There is a huge difference between Crimea and Kosovo that most serbs seem to ignore because they live in denial.

Kiev did not drive out of Crimea all the existing population through a campaign of organised state terror, murder and rape. All albanian population (90%) was driven out of kosovo by the serb army into neighboring Macedonia and Albania. Thousands of albanias were killed by the serb army.
Not one russian was Killed in crimea by the Kiev government. Putin didnt want to pay rent for his base there, and being the corrupt gangster he is, decided to annex the territory. There you have it, the reality of things. The truth will set you free.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kosovo+refugees+in+albania&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZHpqVKPFC8zToATsjIDgBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

Again we see this confusing the Russian Federation with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ironic, isn't it, that when the GDR (Not a soviet, by the way, an independent country.) looked to Moscow, it went to a Ukrainian, not a Russian. And how could Ukraine, right on Russia's border not be in Russia's "sphere of influence". How can a country as wealthy, successful and historically powerful as the body of the Russian Federation not have a sphere of influence beyond its borders?

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.
(Paul, 17 November 2014 22:24)

Sure, if Ukrainians want to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately for Russia, everything that Russia is doing is giving Ukrainians a further incentive not to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately getting influence with tanks usually does not work :)

The problem is that EU politicians are the ones who are totalitarian, trying to subjugate Serbia to take unfriendly measures against Russia. Serbia should not be a Russian satellite, but Serbia should under no circumstances ever sanction Russia or have bad relations with Russia. Anyone who is demanding this of Serbia is no friend of hers.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2014 19:16)

Well, Russia did not hesitate to take unfriendly measures against Serbia by reducing the supply of gas to Serbia in the middle of the winter over a dispute for just $ 200 million, which according to the most patriotic of Serbs are peanuts for Russia. Now, if Serbia has no respect for itself and says I love you to somebody who spits on her face not sure how Serbia can expect others to have any respect for her.

"Merkel warns about"Russia influence"in Serbia"The Lady should not be surprise.The cultural and religious bonds between Russians and Serbs are centuries old and they getting better every day.Its hard to see where this "European experiment" with German leadership will end-up.Historical facts are well known but general belief is; The Nations and people can and will change.The question is when?It appears to be that German leadership is not quite ready to lead the Europe.Lady Merkel is educated person, should ask herself and answer the question to herself;Why Russians and Serbs so visibly demonstrate their unity.From my perspective,20 millions dead Russians and 1.7 millions dead Serbs are compelling reasons to keep our powder dry but ready to engage in any peaceful initiative which would improve quality of life for all the people of Europe and World

Sure, if Ukrainians want to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately for Russia, everything that Russia is doing is giving Ukrainians a further incentive not to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately getting influence with tanks usually does not work :)
(icj1, 18 November 2014 04:05)
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Military might works just fine. It worked for NATO.

It is all geopolitics. Nobody should have any illusions about Putin's sudden interest in the Balkans. But he just enters a void left behind by Germany and the EU that always used the stick rather than the carrot. And now Germany once of a sudden gets nervous about Putin's attention for the Balkans. Serbia should play it smart and not aline itself with either for the moment. Cause once it takes a side it will be in the fold of that party and be opposed by the other. It will be game over then. This is the game that Serbia/Yugoslavia historically has played.

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.
(Paul, 17 November 2014 22:24)
What you say is true, but also not correct. Serbia has made the commitment to join the EU, it is engaged in the process, it is receiving huge amounts of money from the EU for the very purpose. It is obvious that Russia and the EU have differing agendas and priorities. If Serbia were planning to join the Russian Federation and made commitments and receiving money for that purpose, would it not be justifiable for Russia to associate with Russian goals and priorities and not the EU??
10 years ago Serbia under Kostunica was not committing to the EU it was a different world. But today it is different.

That is why it is ridiculous that Serbia is part of the so called nonaligned countries, it has chose to be aligned with the EU. You cannot do that 6 days a week and then say on Thursdays, we will be nonaligned.

Military might works just fine. It worked for NATO.
(Peggy, 18 November 2014 23:30)

Unfortunately, the CE of B92 forums sj disagrees :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Ari is right. Even Germany, after ww2 and all the atrocities was rebuilt. And the destruction of Serbian civilian targets was completely illegal. Yet there has been little to no help in rebuilding. It is getting better no doubt, and there has been an effort after the floods, even though is very little new money involved. No, by and large, Serbia has been treated atrociously by the west.
I disagree to forget eu though. It is the only realistic option, whatever form it takes.

If Russia's influence attempts to pierce south, We the entire Albanian nation of Southern Europe will confront and resist fiercely this wild bear of the north! For to long Russia's expansionist ideas of Southern Europe thru her sister satellite state of Serbia have been looked at as not being a major priority by western policy makers, this holds true of the past, and it was a monumental mistake and led to 60 years of a the primitive system of communism! Hopefully, this time they the west will have the courage & will to confront this old wild beast of the north, putting a final end to her monstrous ambitions!!!

Serbia's future is with the the EU and Democratic insitutions, not with the backwards and authoritarian Russia under Putin. Forget phony 100 year historical alliances, there are more Serbs in Vienna or Munich than in all of Russia. Far more Serbs speak English and German than Russian. This says it all. Russia looks to the past for greatness, whereas Serbia, and the rest of the Western Balkans need to look towards the future for greatness, not the past.

And one final thing. How is Russia supporting Serbia in regards to Kosovo, when it is actively encouraging and supporting separatists in Crimea and Donbas? By doing that, Russia is throwing Serbia under the bus for their own desires in those regions. They're legitimizing the same separatism that they "opposed" in Kosovo. So Russia is not really supporting Serbia, they're just using the Kosovo issue for their own selfish desires, while stabbing Serbia in the back.

It's all too easy to be lured by Russia with its promises of investments, brotherhood and with a 'we will show them' attitude.
But Serbia needs to be screwd and outfox the fox, so to speak, or it will find itself on a road from which it will be extremely difficult to turn back from, once it finds that the 'carrot' Russia is holding didn't turn out to be so sweet after all.
Going it alone is out of the question. Serbia isn't Swtzerland and will not be anything like it. Well, at least not in the near future any way.
So the EU is the much safer and secure option for the long run. And should the EU prove to be disappointing (as some of you will undoubtly think it will be) then one can withdraw should one wish to do so.
The USSR, which Putin is so desperately trying to resurrect, was an empire build on intimidation, tyranny and eventually disillusionment and should Putin succeed (which he wont) it will be, again, just that.
None of the countries that were once (forcefully) part of this alignment have the desire to return to the old ways.
Which is why I am sure Serbia will make the right choice and Merkel should not be afraid.

If Mutti Merkel is that worried about Big Bad Rusland poaching on lands she believes Germany is entitled to, then perhaps she needs to view the Balkans and Near Abroad in less sterile and condescending manners. We've seen her indifference to Greece, we pretty much accept her general ignorance of the rest of the Balkans, and very few people generally believe in her sincerity over Ukraine, so let's dispense with the theatrics and realize the more you wag your finger at something you don't like, the more the people who don't care what you think is good for "Europe" will look for alternatives, which pretty much explains why and how Russia and China have been able to embed themselves in the places they have.

Well, in reality Serbia can't have it both ways. Shows that you are living in a different universe if you think the west can be told by Serbia which way it has to act. The west doesn't need Serbia, but Serbia needs the West to survive. Without the money from the EU Serbia will be bancrupt very soon.
(observer, 18 November 2014 10:09)

It's the West that has interest in the Balkans. Numerically speaking, you cannot control the region if you do not control Serbs. Serbia is the largest country in the region, Serbs make up the largest ethnic group in the region. Serbia is strategically centered between all the other countries in the region and without it, no imperialist ambitions of the West are possible to sustain.

As far as the EU, they do not give much money to Serbia at all. A couple of million of dollars their governments give in exchange for the billions they have caused bombing Serbian hospitals and schools. What Western investors bring to Serbia is due to their ability to turn a profit. They could give a damn about Kosovo-Metohija, or what even their own governments' have in store for the region. By and large, most of them just want to be able to do business and make money.

Serbia should always offer the right conditions for investment from private companies from the West. But as far as heading towards the path to hell by trying to join the EU, not only will it never happen for Serbia, Albania or Bosnia... but it's actually detrimental to even try.

(LK, 17 November 2014 16:45)

The problem is, you cannot be democratic or even a country for that matter while you are a part of the EU. The EU is not a trading bloc any more, it is a super-state. Serbia must run as far as possible away from the EU.

That's not to say that Serbia should isolate itself towards Russia. Thing is though, Russia has never asked Serbia to do such a thing. Russia has always wanted Serbia's and the regions natural gas and by and large, it has that. But Russia has never said that Serbia needs to "harmonize" its foreign policy to meet Russia standards. In fact, some suggest Russia's interests would be better served if Serbia was in the EU.

The problem is that EU politicians are the ones who are totalitarian, trying to subjugate Serbia to take unfriendly measures against Russia. Serbia should not be a Russian satellite, but Serbia should under no circumstances ever sanction Russia or have bad relations with Russia. Anyone who is demanding this of Serbia is no friend of hers.

Ari Gold
"As far as the EU, they do not give much money to Serbia at all. A couple of million of dollars their governments give in exchange for the billions they have caused bombing Serbian hospitals and schools"
Do you actually believe the manure you are shoveling or just hope to convince some illiterate dope that you actually know what you are talking about?
Remember when Serb govt officials set out before flood waters had even peaked to beg for any penny they could and EU countries donated hundreds of millions of dollars.
The US spent more than 30 million in foreign aid to Serbia last year alone.
Billions of destruction from the bombing, what a joke!
You have lived in a world of lies so long, you no longer know what truth is.

@ ari gold
there you have it, read the link and you will see that not only did we drive out of Kosovo the albanian population but in the process we killed, raped and abused thousands of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War#Massacres
Yes, you are right, sometimes when I read your hateful comments I wish I was not serb.

All albanian population (90%) was driven out of kosovo by the serb army into neighboring Macedonia and Albania. Thousands of albanias were killed by the serb army.
[link]
(boom, 17 November 2014 23:46)

Wait, was it murder or did they get kicked out? On one hand you say the entire population was kicked out, then how could Serbia have murdered anyone. If you look at demographics of Kosovo-Metohija, after WWII during Communist Yugoslavia there was a huge spike in settlers from Albania and the number of Albanians flocking to Kosovo-Metohija has never decreased the end of the millennium.

From 1945 to 1999, the Albanian population did not go down. Not for one year, not for one minute of any day, only up. You're a ridiculous fool peddling lies without presenting any proof because there are none. You are welcome to peddle these lies, but what's pathetic is to pretend you are Serbian as if that somehow validates your garbage.

The problem is that EU politicians are the ones who are totalitarian, trying to subjugate Serbia to take unfriendly measures against Russia. Serbia should not be a Russian satellite, but Serbia should under no circumstances ever sanction Russia or have bad relations with Russia. Anyone who is demanding this of Serbia is no friend of hers.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2014 19:16)

Well, Russia did not hesitate to take unfriendly measures against Serbia by reducing the supply of gas to Serbia in the middle of the winter over a dispute for just $ 200 million, which according to the most patriotic of Serbs are peanuts for Russia. Now, if Serbia has no respect for itself and says I love you to somebody who spits on her face not sure how Serbia can expect others to have any respect for her.

@Alex
...The West can't have it both ways. If Albanians in Kosovo can unilaterally secede from Serbia without the consent of Belgrade, then Russians in Crimea and Donbas can unilaterally secede from Ukraine without the consent of Kiev...

There is a huge difference between Crimea and Kosovo that most serbs seem to ignore because they live in denial.

Kiev did not drive out of Crimea all the existing population through a campaign of organised state terror, murder and rape. All albanian population (90%) was driven out of kosovo by the serb army into neighboring Macedonia and Albania. Thousands of albanias were killed by the serb army.
Not one russian was Killed in crimea by the Kiev government. Putin didnt want to pay rent for his base there, and being the corrupt gangster he is, decided to annex the territory. There you have it, the reality of things. The truth will set you free.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kosovo+refugees+in+albania&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZHpqVKPFC8zToATsjIDgBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

The West can't have it both ways
Alex

Well, in reality Serbia can't have it both ways. Shows that you are living in a different universe if you think the west can be told by Serbia which way it has to act. The west doesn't need Serbia, but Serbia needs the West to survive. Without the money from the EU Serbia will be bancrupt very soon.

What Should the Serbian Nation Do When It Is Treated With Contempt? 1999 was one of the most humiliating experiances in Serbian history. Never in history was Serbia more dishonered and disgraced before the entire world. USA and England under the direction of Germany create a world wide demonizing hate campaign against Serbia, a direct copy of the " Final Solution " Hitler used in the 1930's to demonize and isolate Jewish people and then to exterminate them all! Angela Merkel mentions " Horrors of World War Two ", who was responsable for all these horrors? As a matter of fact who was responsable for both world wars in the last century? Who was responsable for the death and destruction of Jugoslavia in the 1990's? In the 1990's United States and England used its military to conquer Jugoslavia and it did so at the behest of Germany. Germany managed to get USA and NATO to do all the dirty work! State by state Jugoslavia has been conquered. Even the name Jugoslavia has been discarded, it isn't on the map any more! Jugoslavia has been blotted out all because Germany wanted it done. What happened to Jugoslavia Czar Vlade has not forgotten, what occurred there is etched in his memory and enrages him to this day. When Czar Vlade says Russians remember 1999, he is saying that they have deep emotions about it to this day. That rage still burns within Czar Vlade, he has a lot of power today and a strong memory what happened to Jugoslavia. Serbia stay strong with Russia a new era!!!

(Ari Gold, 18 November 2014 11:14)

God, you even deny the ethnic cleansing which took place in Kosovo and all over the Balkans. As proven many times over and over by the international court of justice, and other reputable sources that took was conducted by serb miligtary forces. You areally are something else, and as many people mentioned here before, your comments resemble Nazi ideology.. You deliberately spread wrong information (e.g.. Eu moneytransfered to Serbia) and seem to be nothing but a big huge bag of hate which you spread around. Go and talk to shrink, but it might already be too late for that.

Again we see this confusing the Russian Federation with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ironic, isn't it, that when the GDR (Not a soviet, by the way, an independent country.) looked to Moscow, it went to a Ukrainian, not a Russian. And how could Ukraine, right on Russia's border not be in Russia's "sphere of influence". How can a country as wealthy, successful and historically powerful as the body of the Russian Federation not have a sphere of influence beyond its borders?

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.

Again we see this confusing the Russian Federation with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ironic, isn't it, that when the GDR (Not a soviet, by the way, an independent country.) looked to Moscow, it went to a Ukrainian, not a Russian. And how could Ukraine, right on Russia's border not be in Russia's "sphere of influence". How can a country as wealthy, successful and historically powerful as the body of the Russian Federation not have a sphere of influence beyond its borders?

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.
(Paul, 17 November 2014 22:24)

Sure, if Ukrainians want to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately for Russia, everything that Russia is doing is giving Ukrainians a further incentive not to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately getting influence with tanks usually does not work :)

Serbia is caught between the hypocrisy of the West and the hypocrisy of Russia. The only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia and the West isn't. If Serbia is forced to choose, then Serbia has to choose Russia because at least Russia supports Serbia's territorial integrity.
(Alex R., 17 November 2014 20:07)

But you just said that Russia is doing the same thing as the West, so I don't get how your reasoning jumps to the conclusion that "the only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia" when both Russia and the West are rejecting Serbia's arguments in regards to Kosovo. The only difference is that the West is keeping Serbia afloat with billions in aid, whereas Russia is cutting the gas supply to Serbia in the middle of the winter over just $ 200 million. Very "supportive" indeed :)

Serbia is still, since NATO won the war, an occupied country with 1.800 western NGO´s and a US imposed quisling cult running the show but as the little imperial anglo-zionist club "international community" consisting of the US,israel and her European vassals are in steady decline, Serbia goes east, to Russia BRICS and the free world, the real international community in the multipolar world.

Even with a quisling regime and imperial governors, the Germans and the anglo-zionists never trused Serbia and their intention was never to allow their war trophy to get the few benefits of the occupation, only obligations and punishments. History proves this fact.

How can you trust the victim of your own hate and aggressions? You simply can´t, once the victim get´s on it´s feet he will take the first best opportunity to break free and strike you down as Frau Merkel is acutely aware, since German fascists where chased out under humiliating circumstances two times in history. This latest Drang nach osten will mark the third. They never learn...

Germany trying to cover up their disgusting and borderline satanic war crimes since 1914. Let us never forget Germany started both WW1 and WW2 and are directly responsible for the death of more than 20, 000, 000 people. German politics is still continuing to kill men women and children.

Now the Anglo Saxon and Tudor nations are joining forces because they finally realise they have the same enemy...Russia.

I though imperialism and slavery were abolished? I guess I was wrong!!!!!!

ZIVIO,Vojislav Seselj,"MARCH ON!

@ Ari Gold

it is good to see that more and more people had enough of your daily hate rampages here and the sick lies you spread. Face it: people had enough of it after reading your crap for years. You are no friend of Serbia, you try to pull it back into the dark Milosevic years, you are one of those brainwashed lunatics which try to prevent Serbia from a country facing reality and becoming a normal country.

Ari is right. Even Germany, after ww2 and all the atrocities was rebuilt. And the destruction of Serbian civilian targets was completely illegal. Yet there has been little to no help in rebuilding. It is getting better no doubt, and there has been an effort after the floods, even though is very little new money involved. No, by and large, Serbia has been treated atrociously by the west.
I disagree to forget eu though. It is the only realistic option, whatever form it takes.

Merkel and most of the rest of NATO and the EU are pusing Serbia into the arms of Russia. Russia has been Serbia's best ally at the UN blocking international recognition of Kosovo's secession from Serbia.

If Merkel, and the rest of the Western world, had the same concern for Serbia's territorial integrity that they have for Ukraine's territorial integrity, then Serbia wouldn't need to be as closely allied to Russia as it is.

The West can't have it both ways. If Albanians in Kosovo can unilaterally secede from Serbia without the consent of Belgrade, then Russians in Crimea and Donbas can unilaterally secede from Ukraine without the consent of Kiev.

By the same token, the Russians can't have it both ways either. They can't criticize NATO policy in the Balkans while doing exactly the same thing in Ukraine.

Serbia is caught between the hypocrisy of the West and the hypocrisy of Russia. The only difference is that Russia is supportive of Serbia and the West isn't. If Serbia is forced to choose, then Serbia has to choose Russia because at least Russia supports Serbia's territorial integrity.

Eu just like US are work ants that must stay quite and ensure lots of cash flow to all those slave holdings called companies to ensure thier offshore accounts grow nothing for the people is how it will be and keep dreaming free..

Frau Merkel the Russian influence in Serbia is Huge, Huge did you hear me say Huge

It is all geopolitics. Nobody should have any illusions about Putin's sudden interest in the Balkans. But he just enters a void left behind by Germany and the EU that always used the stick rather than the carrot. And now Germany once of a sudden gets nervous about Putin's attention for the Balkans. Serbia should play it smart and not aline itself with either for the moment. Cause once it takes a side it will be in the fold of that party and be opposed by the other. It will be game over then. This is the game that Serbia/Yugoslavia historically has played.

Sure, if Ukrainians want to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately for Russia, everything that Russia is doing is giving Ukrainians a further incentive not to be influenced by Russia. Unfortunately getting influence with tanks usually does not work :)
(icj1, 18 November 2014 04:05)
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Military might works just fine. It worked for NATO.

"Merkel warns about"Russia influence"in Serbia"The Lady should not be surprise.The cultural and religious bonds between Russians and Serbs are centuries old and they getting better every day.Its hard to see where this "European experiment" with German leadership will end-up.Historical facts are well known but general belief is; The Nations and people can and will change.The question is when?It appears to be that German leadership is not quite ready to lead the Europe.Lady Merkel is educated person, should ask herself and answer the question to herself;Why Russians and Serbs so visibly demonstrate their unity.From my perspective,20 millions dead Russians and 1.7 millions dead Serbs are compelling reasons to keep our powder dry but ready to engage in any peaceful initiative which would improve quality of life for all the people of Europe and World

Ari Gold,
Stop lying. 1) After WWW 2 , Albania became the most isolated communist country. Nobody could get out or in the country without permission from the government. And the government did not give permission unless you performed government duty. Kosovo Albanians were always there.

2) After WW 2 , Albania had about 1 million people. Today it has about 3 million people. How did they manage to triple their population in about 60 years, while massively leaving for Kosovo? Furthermore you have about 2 million Albanians in Kosovo.How did we get to this number by only 1 million people starting population in Albania? Not to mention the other 1 million today's Albanian in Macedonia, then part of Yugoslavia.
Give me a logical explanation or shut up. Stop humiliating yourself.

Military might works just fine. It worked for NATO.
(Peggy, 18 November 2014 23:30)

Unfortunately, the CE of B92 forums sj disagrees :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The EU should expect the RF to have as much influence beyond its borders that the EU has beyond its borders.
(Paul, 17 November 2014 22:24)
What you say is true, but also not correct. Serbia has made the commitment to join the EU, it is engaged in the process, it is receiving huge amounts of money from the EU for the very purpose. It is obvious that Russia and the EU have differing agendas and priorities. If Serbia were planning to join the Russian Federation and made commitments and receiving money for that purpose, would it not be justifiable for Russia to associate with Russian goals and priorities and not the EU??
10 years ago Serbia under Kostunica was not committing to the EU it was a different world. But today it is different.

That is why it is ridiculous that Serbia is part of the so called nonaligned countries, it has chose to be aligned with the EU. You cannot do that 6 days a week and then say on Thursdays, we will be nonaligned.