Rama says Albanians "won't be assimilated"

Serbs call us haters.....
(azir, 11 November 2014 20:03)

...and Greeks, and Macedonians, and Montenegrins, and Bulgarians, and Italians, and Roma, and Croats, and Germans, and French, and Swiss, and British, and Russians, and Slovaks, and Romanians, and Spaniards, and Portuguese, and Czechs, and Hungarians, and Americans, and Canadians, and Chinese, and Mexicans, and Arabs, and Poles, and Dutch, and Norwegians, and Japanese, and Indians, and Penguins...

Rama is a leader that will tell you how it is. No BS which is what serbians are used to and wanted from his visit. Albanians should never assimilate, although they face economical challenges from serbian government in Presheva valley. Discrimination towards Albanians is at all time high in serbia, and these problems must be solved before serbia is admitted in EU.

How would you go about assimilating albanians anyway? Its not like anyone likes being around them let alone living anywhere near them. Luckily there is plenty of room for them back in Turkey.

Albanian PM Edi Rama said in Preševo that ethnic Albanians who live in municipalities in southern Serbia have less rights than Serbs in Kosovo.

Is this guy serious? Albanians in southern Serbia aren't killed while working in their fields the way Serbs are in Kosovo. Their churches and cemeteries aren't desecrated on a regular basis the way Serbian religious shrines are. Their homes aren't bulldozed on orders from the town's mayor. They don't live in ghettos and escorted to and from school, church and stores by international peacekeepers for fear of their lives like Serbs south of the Ibar.

Please Mr. Rama, exactly what rights do Serbs have in Kosovo that Albanians in Presevo don't have? Since my question to him is figurative, perhaps some the Albanian fanatics on this site would like to answer the question.

Let's start with the coward Azir who supported the killing of Serbian children by Croats during WWII. Then let's move on to Mirel who continues to live in denial and doesn't accept the fact that Kosovo Albanians and many from Albanian fought with Hitler's Nazis during WWII. And finally, Nikolle can chip in with her holier than thou (although she's atheist) attitude.

Can't wait to hear from you all.

"Albanian PM Edi Rama said in Preševo that ethnic Albanians who live in municipalities in southern Serbia have less rights than Serbs in Kosovo."

He's probably right, but let's attribute those sweeping minority rights for Kosovo Serbs to the international community, not to some sense of Albanian tolerance.

As I said elsewhere, it's good to ensure one's group doesn't get assimilated into another one, so Rama should start by providing for the Serb, Greek, and other non-Albanian minority in his own state with the rights and privileges he wants Albanians in Presevo to experience. He can start with eliminating the practice of Albanianizing surnames on identity cards. He might also want to follow up on allowing local authorities to have a say in their own education curriculum, which Albanians in Kosovo and Presevo long enjoyed prior to the 1990s.

Since Presevo Albanians are basically able to do whatever they want short of secede, I suspect his lament is little more than a rhetorical statement to pander to the masses than being based on any empirical observation. Can't say the same for the Serbs of Shkoder or the Greeks of southern Albania/northern Epirus.

So before he starts to think Tirana's going to be some sort of obstacle towards Serbia's EU membership regarding Presevo, he might want to prepare for the guarantees his state will have to agree to by Greece and eventually Serbia when Albania's EU number is called.

How do you people know Serb names and Greek names have been Albanised? If that is the case, how do you people get a figure on how many Greeks and Serbs are there? The nonsense I read here is seriously staggering. Dear oh dear. Maybe Rama himself is a Ramovic but likes being Albanian.

As I said elsewhere, it's good to ensure one's group doesn't get assimilated into another one, so Rama should start by providing for the Serb, Greek, and other non-Albanian minority in his own state with the rights and privileges he wants Albanians in Presevo to experience. He can start with eliminating the practice of Albanianizing surnames on identity cards.

Can't say the same for the Serbs of Shkoder or the Greeks of southern Albania/northern Epirus.

So before he starts to think Tirana's going to be some sort of obstacle towards Serbia's EU membership regarding Presevo, he might want to prepare for the guarantees his state will have to agree to by Greece and eventually Serbia when Albania's EU number is called.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 11 November 2014 17:39)

Before making such preposterous claims you should pay a visit to Shkodra and Himara to witness how mistaken you are. My father is Greek from Himara and my mother is Serbian from Shkodra. My family has never experienced any form of discrimination while living in Albania. However, I did encounter discrimination on several occasions while working in Greece. My brother was beaten badly while visiting Belgrade when he was heard speaking Albanian to a shopkeeper. These ugly experiences are not unique to my family and are well documented. I never felt so unwelcome while visiting in my ancesters' homelands. I do hope you have the chance to visit Albania and see for yourself how wonderful the people will treat you.

I have an idea that this goat herder from Albania thinks that to be equal Albanians should have free water, electricity and don’t have to pay any taxes much like what happened during Tito’s time.
No one wants to have anything to do with Albanians let alone assimilate them. They are a backward people that live in the 14 century, live off crime and social security.
Until recently I thought Serbs and Greeks didn’t like Albanians until I talked to an Italian. The Italians cant stand them. This lady said that Italy is full of (not my words but hers) these parasites that only live off crime and fill our prisons.

Another low class speech written by alistair campbell.

My father is Greek from Himara and my mother is Serbian from Shkodra. My family has never experienced any form of discrimination while living in Albania.
(Greek/Serb from Albania, 11 November 2014 23:17)

Wow, what are the odds I get a response from a half Serb/half Greek living in Albania on B92? Better yet, one touting the official state rhetoric of multiethnic inclusion and the absence of any problem whatsoever? Even better someone commenting here for the first time specifically on this issue without having made yourself known anytime prior?

You're either the extreme example in this case in which I raise a glass to you or the worst liar on the Internet in which I wonder which regular Albanian cyber nationalist of the diaspora are you really.

Let me guess, more provocation? They don't have to be assimilated, as long as they're integrated its all fine. If assimilation is to happen that'll take centuries. There's nothing controversial here

From Nikolle: "I outlined legislative rights that Serbs enjoy in Kosovo, which Albanians in Presheva don't."

Is that all you can come up with Nikolle? How about the right to live a peaceful life without your neighbors trying to kill you. Every day we hear about Serbs being attacked and killed, mostly the elderly who cannot defend themselves. Even priests are attacked. You and I both know that if international peacekeepers were not in Kosovo, your bloodthirsty people would would attempt to kill every Serb there. Interesting though that we never hear of Albanians in Presevo being attacked and killed. Their homes and religious shrines destroyed. And there are no international forces stationed there. And the best you can do is talk about legislative rights!! How about the right to live. I guess when you live in the narco-drug capital of Europe with terrorists elected as your leaders, you look at things differently that people from more civilized places. Your ignorance is excused...again.

Erm, do Albanians in Presheva have a special fund assigned to them? Do they wield veto powers? Do they have houses built for them? Do they live in specially built municipalities autonomous from the state? not that I think Albanians in Presheva should have these, but just to draw a parallel here
(Nikolle, 12 November 2014 10:53)

Well we are drawing comparisons from a sovereign, UN recognized state and a NATO protectorate. But one things for certain, since the great migration of Albanians into Slavic lands during communist times, you have had nothing but assistance and funds thrown your way. And each time, you manage to make your communities as poor as Albania. Today you get billions from Western organizations, and Kosovo-Metohija is still an impoverished black hole.

Congratulations, I see where all that pride you guys keep talking about comes from. Fantastic achievements.

really njegos? that's all you have? how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games? not having their bakeries torched? how about having their rights set in law? as for everyday serbs attacked, rubbish, which serb was attacked yesterday? your nonsense is excused, your paranoia, you'll have to cure yourself

"Well we are drawing comparisons from a sovereign, UN recognized state and a NATO protectorate."

..and? we were asked, what more fewer rights do Albanians in Presheva have compared to Serbs in Kosovo? I outlined legislative rights that Serbs enjoy in Kosovo, which Albanians in Presheva don't. i recognise that comprehension is a problem for you, so I forgive you. as for your other points, I can't be bothered to correct them. suffice to say, however backwards or primitive Albanians are, we don't have the record of having produced the 2nd highest number of war criminals after Nazi Germany, its the heavenly people who have enjoy that one

azir said "Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs."

This sociopathic-like comment says so much about this sick albanian named azir.

Albanians speak the truth......

Serbs call us haters.....

Keep speaking the TRUTH.

All men (including Serbs and Albanian) originate from monkey. Having said this, than history is subjective to how many years backward are you looking. If you go back 2-6 millions years, both Albanians and Serbs used to live in the same continent (which is Africa) belonging to probably two different monkeys families. So the real issue of discussion, today is: "which monkey family is better than the other?"

All these energy lost in pointless discussion, could be used more efficiently in order to improve the future (which seems to be EU for both Albanian and Serbs).

Greetings from Tirana

Mayb support IS and US same time..guess this is the real clown

" This lady said that Italy is full of (not my words but hers) these parasites that only live off crime and fill our prisons."

and still these backward people got Kosmet from you. Doesn't say much for the intelligence of those north of our border does it? Maybe that's your problem, you're too intelligent

"Please Mr. Rama, exactly what rights do Serbs have in Kosovo that Albanians in Presevo don't have? Since my question to him is figurative, perhaps some the Albanian fanatics on this site would like to answer the question."

Erm, do Albanians in Presheva have a special fund assigned to them? Do they wield veto powers? Do they have houses built for them? Do they live in specially built municipalities autonomous from the state? not that I think Albanians in Presheva should have these, but just to draw a parallel here

"What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle?" really? have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him? I mean, you're trying so hard to paint the Serb populace as defenceless, when the reality is that they enjoy more rights than other minorities here as well as gettign more money from the funds of Kosovo, because you suffer from the same victim complex that has gripped the heavenly people. This condition is your problem, not mine. as for this " Your tired attempt to play the internet intellectual is growing very old", sunshine, you really don't have to read any of my comments, nor do you have to address questions to me, as you did. You can easily ignore what i write, i do that with a lot of posters here. I used to do it to you as well, but since you asked me a question, I think I had to give an answer

"Nikolle, so you agree that Albanians can't do anything on their own without their NATO masters and the Kosovo house of cards will come tumbling down when the west leaves, right? I knew we would find something we could agree on if we kept communicating. You're making progress."

No, we got them to act as our air force, pretty smart. After all, it got the Serbian army to move out. You're too simple to think of stuff like that, but don't worry, at least you have high IQ and pride

Its a lot smarter to get others to do the fighting for you njegos and then win for you. Because of it, I live in Prishtina where according to you, Serbs daren't make a peep. You have your prideand IQ however so not to worry

So sad, yoo bad

Sweetheart, there's a better chance that Jesus will make his second coming in two weeks, revealing that he was actually Chinese born to Australian parents of Mexican heritage than you sending Albanians anywhere. So keep fantasising about it because it sure as hell wont become a reality. Greetings from Prishtina

What i wanna say is that the time of tito and rankovic an milosevic has gon
Now is new reaility you serbs have to no that say what ever you wanna say about albanian but now is our turn in the balkan

According to the Albanian Helsinki Human rights comitee there are about 2000 Serb-Montegrins living in Albania.
I could not find and evidence of them having been abused.
There are a lot of allegations that they had to change their names under the communist regime. I cant find any serious research about it. I dont know what all the fuss is about here, the communist regime in Albania was the most totalitarian ever, think North Korea and albanias were victims just as the serbs living there.
On the other hand, it is a shame that albanians in Preseva have less rights than serbs in kosovo, it shows we are falling behind, and very soon serbs will have less and less rights with the current government we have.

From Nikolle: "how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games?"

Taunts of death. Poor Nikolle and her thin-skinned Albanian patriots. Boo-hoo. Come back when the level of violence and primutive behavior of Serbs toward Albanians in Presevo comes close to that of the way Serbs are treated by Albanians in Kosovo. Serbs in Kosovo would gladly trade the conditions they live in with that of Albanians in Presevo. Please attempt to make a little bit of sense when you respond this time.

'Serbs in Kosovo would gladly trade the conditions they live in with that of Albanians in Presevo.' I very much doubt this, because if they did, then their fund would be taken away, no houses would be built for them, and their municipalities would cease enjoying autonomy from the state. Not to worry, its not the first time you co me up with a wrong prognosis

From Nikolle: "have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him?"

HA, HA, HA, HA! You're not serious are you?? You're sinking fast. Serbs in Kosovo south of the Ibar have to be escorted by international peacekeepers to and from school, stores, church, etc. And you come up with some guy who says Albanains are wonderful. You are in denial. You come onto a Serb sight and portray yourself as a level-headed intellectual while your brethren in Kosovo are doing their best to ethnically cleanse the area of everyone and everything Serb. Protected by international peacekeepers to just to conduct their daily lives! This is reality Nikolle. Do you deny this? Your nicely written constitutional rights for everyone is worthless if the reality on the ground for Serbs is that they can't even go to the store without escorts from the international community.

Your ridiculous comments are helping to bring down the average Albanian IQ...and believe me, your people don't have any IQ points to spare! LOL

Azir the coward, here's an excerpt from an article written by Todd Emoff, a Jew who clearly disputes your outrageous claim that the Albanians saved 100% of its Jewish population: "Albanians formed two SS divisions under the Nazis. One of these, the infamous 21st Waffen SS "Skanderbeg" division (composed mostly of Gheg Albanians from Kosovo and northern Albania) spent the latter stages of the war hunting down Jews to be killed at Jasenovac, and committing mass killings of Serbs."

Azir, you are a coward just like the rest of your Nazi following ancestors. I'm growing tired of teaching you and your revisionist friends on this site your own history. Run along now, I'm sure there are tables to be bused in the Serbian-owned restaurant you work at. Oops, I forgot, most Albanians in the US don't work, they collect disability from the gov't. LOL

"Your ridiculous comments are helping to bring down the average Albanian IQ...and believe me, your people don't have any IQ points to spare! LOL"

You intelligence is so low, that it would be unfair to take into account when measuring the collective I.Q. of the heavenly people. However, Albanians have enough I.Q. points to get holy Kosmet from you don't we? Doesn't say much for you though does it?

@ njegos,

and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more

Niegro go ask all the Jewish Organizations in America how brave the Albanians were during WW2 saving 100% of our Jewish population and also Jewish war refugees that made it into the safe haven known as Albania although we also were under Nazi Occupation.

Think so as you don't continue to embarass yourself. :)

Niegro you are correct in that i support Croatia that is a EURO and NATO member .
Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs.

The real cowards are all in the Hague,Six feet under and people like you that still defends criminal actions the world witnessed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.

You my coward neighbor is living in denial.
(azir, 12 November 2014 10:24)

So you defend and approve of Jasenovac where 700 000 people, mostly women and children were slaughtered in the most brutal way? That shows how sick you are, are there any moderators here? That comment was way way way out of line. Wake up moderators and ban him he writes comments like this on a daily basis what the hell are you doing?

Let me remind you about this,Comments which include insults, indecencies, racial or ethnic hate messages and intolerance of any kind will not be published.

"First and foremost, Albanians already receve a certain amonut of money from the state every year just like every other minority and Serbs in Kosovo do not enjoy any autonomy whatsoever."

It seems to me that you need to familiarise yourself with Kosovo's constitution and the political rights Serb municipalities enjoy, something which Albanians in Presheva have no chance in hell of getting. As for graves vandalised in Presheva, that has happened already. However, asks Serbs in Kosovo if they're willing to give up the funds especially set up for them, something denied to the Croat community in Janjev and Turkish community in Prizren, let alone denied to Albanians in Presheve

But the reality is far different. What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle? There's a good chance they'll be killed. You and I both know that.
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You know, last I checked there are 2 busses a day between Belgrade and Pristina.

Obviously, you've never been to Kosovo, otherwise you wouldn't say such things.

No one is killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina.

Serbian is an official language of Kosovo.

Personally, I've never been killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina.

From Nikolle: "Albanians have enough I.Q. points to get holy Kosmet from you don't we?"

And what have you done with it? Turned it into the black hole of Europe. A virtual narco-state run by criminals where drug-running and vendetta killings are the norm. Even with the billions of dollars the west has wasted on Kosovo, it remains the poorest region in Europe with no hope for the future. And if one considers Kosovo still part of Serbia, then Albania, your country is the poorest and most backward in Europe.

Boy, for a people who, as you claim are the indigenous people of the Balkans, why are you the poorest and least affluent? Seems to me that everyone else passed you by. The main Albanian industry next to drug-running is asking the west for handouts. Nice career path for your youth. So much for that high Albanian IQ. LOL

"Correction Nikolle, NATO led by the US took Kosovo away, not Albanians. Let's not kid ourselves here, Kosovo is on life support and if the west pulled out and quit sending money, Kosovo's quasi-independence would be over. Enjoy it for the time being."

We used our IQ's to get them on our side, something you didn't think of

Niegro you are correct in that i support Croatia that is a EURO and NATO member .
Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs.

The real cowards are all in the Hague,Six feet under and people like you that still defends criminal actions the world witnessed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.

You my coward neighbor is living in denial.

I very much doubt this, because if they did, then their fund would be taken away, no houses would be built for them, and their municipalities would cease enjoying autonomy from the state.

First and foremost, Albanians already receve a certain amonut of money from the state every year just like every other minority and Serbs in Kosovo do not enjoy any autonomy whatsoever. I would gladly see that we start to treat albs in Serbia just like you treat Serbs in kosovo by burning their monesterys, churches and houses and threatening and throwing stones on children that try to go to school on daily basis. I hope that mosques will start to burn and alb graveyards get vandalised in a very near future. What comes around goes around.

From Nikolle: "It seems to me that you need to familiarise yourself with Kosovo's constitution and the political rights Serb municipalities enjoy, something which Albanians in Presheva have no chance in hell of getting."

Once again, Nikolle misses the point entirely. How can you equate constitutional rights written on a piece of paper (but not lived up to) with the reality on the ground. Anyone can write anything on a piece of paper like the constitution of any entity. What really matters is how people are treated.

I'm sure the Kosovo constitutions provides for complete rights of Serbs to go to school, visit their places of worship, work at their jobs and enjoy full rights just as any other citizens of Kosovo. But the reality is far different. What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle? There's a good chance they'll be killed. You and I both know that. The constitution, however, gives Serbs the right to use their language. The Kosovo constitution gives Serbs and all of its citizens full protection under the law, right? Please explain then why nobody is ever prosecuted for crimes committed against Serbs? So much for your constitution and your baseless arguments...again. Your tired attempt to play the internet intellectual is growing very old. Run along now. Isn't it time for you to post some more of your nonsense on another thread? LOL

"What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle?" really? have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him?

I have read every single article on his blog and he has never ever written that he has spoken Serbian in Pristina, English yes but not Serbian.

From Nikolle: "and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more"

Correction Nikolle, NATO led by the US took Kosovo away, not Albanians. Let's not kid ourselves here, Kosovo is on life support and if the west pulled out and quit sending money, Kosovo's quasi-independence would be over. Enjoy it for the time being.

Nikolle, so you agree that Albanians can't do anything on their own without their NATO masters and the Kosovo house of cards will come tumbling down when the west leaves, right? I knew we would find something we could agree on if we kept communicating. You're making progress.

From Nikolle: "No, we got them to act as our air force, pretty smart"

I'd say pretty pathetic. Think about it. If you have been in Europe longer than anyone else, as you claim, why then can't you even defend yourselves? Why did you turn Kosovo and Albania into the most backward places in Europe and arguably in the world. You're a basket case and happy about it. That tells me all I need to know about your IQ. LOL

ally njegos? that's all you have? how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games? not having their bakeries torched?

These criminals that torched bakerys are arrested and punished unlike your savages that kill, attack and vandalize everything that is serbian.

It's silly to deny its dangerous to speak Serbian and people have been killed for speaking Serbian! A Bulgarian man was killed because someone though Bulgarian was Serbian!

From Danilo: "You know, last I checked there are 2 busses a day between Belgrade and Pristina.

Obviously, you've never been to Kosovo, otherwise you wouldn't say such things."

You shouldn't make assumptions on things you know nothing about. I have been to Kosovo, and two days before I went there, two Serbian policemen were ambushed and killed by Albanians. But according to you, this type of thing never happens in Kosovo.

More from Danilo: "Serbian is an official language of Kosovo."

And Serbs are official citizens of Kosovo. Yet they have to be protected 24 hours around the clock by international peacekeepers to prevent them from being killed.

From Danilo: "Personally, I've never been killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina."

Maybe you should spend some more time there then. I'll even buy your bus ticket from Belgrade.

and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more
(Nikolle, 14 November 2014 14:04)

You had nothing to do with it, it was taken by your masters.

From Nikolle: "Its a lot smarter to get others to do the fighting for you njegos and then win for you. Because of it, I live in Prishtina where according to you, Serbs daren't make a peep. You have your prideand IQ however so not to worry"

When you can't defend yourselves, someone has to protect you. And when you aren't smart enough to think for yourselves, someone else will do your thinking too. That has been the history of your people. From being vassals of the Ottomans to vassals of the Axis powers and now to vassals of NATO. It's no wonder that when Albanians come to the US they look for gov't. handouts. That's all your people have ever known. BTW, what do you do for a living? I can only guess.

"When you can't defend yourselves, someone has to protect you. And when you aren't smart enough to think for yourselves, someone else will do your thinking too. That has been the history of your people. From being vassals of the Ottomans to vassals of the Axis powers and now to vassals of NATO. It's no wonder that when Albanians come to the US they look for gov't. handouts. That's all your people have ever known. BTW, what do you do for a living? I can only guess."

I agree, it was stupid of Albanians to get the West on our side, its not as if it drove the Serbs out is it?

How would you go about assimilating albanians anyway? Its not like anyone likes being around them let alone living anywhere near them. Luckily there is plenty of room for them back in Turkey.

Rama is a leader that will tell you how it is. No BS which is what serbians are used to and wanted from his visit. Albanians should never assimilate, although they face economical challenges from serbian government in Presheva valley. Discrimination towards Albanians is at all time high in serbia, and these problems must be solved before serbia is admitted in EU.

Albanians speak the truth......

Serbs call us haters.....

Keep speaking the TRUTH.

"Albanian PM Edi Rama said in Preševo that ethnic Albanians who live in municipalities in southern Serbia have less rights than Serbs in Kosovo."

He's probably right, but let's attribute those sweeping minority rights for Kosovo Serbs to the international community, not to some sense of Albanian tolerance.

As I said elsewhere, it's good to ensure one's group doesn't get assimilated into another one, so Rama should start by providing for the Serb, Greek, and other non-Albanian minority in his own state with the rights and privileges he wants Albanians in Presevo to experience. He can start with eliminating the practice of Albanianizing surnames on identity cards. He might also want to follow up on allowing local authorities to have a say in their own education curriculum, which Albanians in Kosovo and Presevo long enjoyed prior to the 1990s.

Since Presevo Albanians are basically able to do whatever they want short of secede, I suspect his lament is little more than a rhetorical statement to pander to the masses than being based on any empirical observation. Can't say the same for the Serbs of Shkoder or the Greeks of southern Albania/northern Epirus.

So before he starts to think Tirana's going to be some sort of obstacle towards Serbia's EU membership regarding Presevo, he might want to prepare for the guarantees his state will have to agree to by Greece and eventually Serbia when Albania's EU number is called.

Serbs call us haters.....
(azir, 11 November 2014 20:03)

...and Greeks, and Macedonians, and Montenegrins, and Bulgarians, and Italians, and Roma, and Croats, and Germans, and French, and Swiss, and British, and Russians, and Slovaks, and Romanians, and Spaniards, and Portuguese, and Czechs, and Hungarians, and Americans, and Canadians, and Chinese, and Mexicans, and Arabs, and Poles, and Dutch, and Norwegians, and Japanese, and Indians, and Penguins...

Mayb support IS and US same time..guess this is the real clown

I have an idea that this goat herder from Albania thinks that to be equal Albanians should have free water, electricity and don’t have to pay any taxes much like what happened during Tito’s time.
No one wants to have anything to do with Albanians let alone assimilate them. They are a backward people that live in the 14 century, live off crime and social security.
Until recently I thought Serbs and Greeks didn’t like Albanians until I talked to an Italian. The Italians cant stand them. This lady said that Italy is full of (not my words but hers) these parasites that only live off crime and fill our prisons.

How do you people know Serb names and Greek names have been Albanised? If that is the case, how do you people get a figure on how many Greeks and Serbs are there? The nonsense I read here is seriously staggering. Dear oh dear. Maybe Rama himself is a Ramovic but likes being Albanian.

Another low class speech written by alistair campbell.

Niegro you are correct in that i support Croatia that is a EURO and NATO member .
Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs.

The real cowards are all in the Hague,Six feet under and people like you that still defends criminal actions the world witnessed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.

You my coward neighbor is living in denial.

Let me guess, more provocation? They don't have to be assimilated, as long as they're integrated its all fine. If assimilation is to happen that'll take centuries. There's nothing controversial here

So sad, yoo bad

Sweetheart, there's a better chance that Jesus will make his second coming in two weeks, revealing that he was actually Chinese born to Australian parents of Mexican heritage than you sending Albanians anywhere. So keep fantasising about it because it sure as hell wont become a reality. Greetings from Prishtina

Niegro go ask all the Jewish Organizations in America how brave the Albanians were during WW2 saving 100% of our Jewish population and also Jewish war refugees that made it into the safe haven known as Albania although we also were under Nazi Occupation.

Think so as you don't continue to embarass yourself. :)

From Nikolle: "I outlined legislative rights that Serbs enjoy in Kosovo, which Albanians in Presheva don't."

Is that all you can come up with Nikolle? How about the right to live a peaceful life without your neighbors trying to kill you. Every day we hear about Serbs being attacked and killed, mostly the elderly who cannot defend themselves. Even priests are attacked. You and I both know that if international peacekeepers were not in Kosovo, your bloodthirsty people would would attempt to kill every Serb there. Interesting though that we never hear of Albanians in Presevo being attacked and killed. Their homes and religious shrines destroyed. And there are no international forces stationed there. And the best you can do is talk about legislative rights!! How about the right to live. I guess when you live in the narco-drug capital of Europe with terrorists elected as your leaders, you look at things differently that people from more civilized places. Your ignorance is excused...again.

really njegos? that's all you have? how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games? not having their bakeries torched? how about having their rights set in law? as for everyday serbs attacked, rubbish, which serb was attacked yesterday? your nonsense is excused, your paranoia, you'll have to cure yourself

As I said elsewhere, it's good to ensure one's group doesn't get assimilated into another one, so Rama should start by providing for the Serb, Greek, and other non-Albanian minority in his own state with the rights and privileges he wants Albanians in Presevo to experience. He can start with eliminating the practice of Albanianizing surnames on identity cards.

Can't say the same for the Serbs of Shkoder or the Greeks of southern Albania/northern Epirus.

So before he starts to think Tirana's going to be some sort of obstacle towards Serbia's EU membership regarding Presevo, he might want to prepare for the guarantees his state will have to agree to by Greece and eventually Serbia when Albania's EU number is called.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 11 November 2014 17:39)

Before making such preposterous claims you should pay a visit to Shkodra and Himara to witness how mistaken you are. My father is Greek from Himara and my mother is Serbian from Shkodra. My family has never experienced any form of discrimination while living in Albania. However, I did encounter discrimination on several occasions while working in Greece. My brother was beaten badly while visiting Belgrade when he was heard speaking Albanian to a shopkeeper. These ugly experiences are not unique to my family and are well documented. I never felt so unwelcome while visiting in my ancesters' homelands. I do hope you have the chance to visit Albania and see for yourself how wonderful the people will treat you.

Albanian PM Edi Rama said in Preševo that ethnic Albanians who live in municipalities in southern Serbia have less rights than Serbs in Kosovo.

Is this guy serious? Albanians in southern Serbia aren't killed while working in their fields the way Serbs are in Kosovo. Their churches and cemeteries aren't desecrated on a regular basis the way Serbian religious shrines are. Their homes aren't bulldozed on orders from the town's mayor. They don't live in ghettos and escorted to and from school, church and stores by international peacekeepers for fear of their lives like Serbs south of the Ibar.

Please Mr. Rama, exactly what rights do Serbs have in Kosovo that Albanians in Presevo don't have? Since my question to him is figurative, perhaps some the Albanian fanatics on this site would like to answer the question.

Let's start with the coward Azir who supported the killing of Serbian children by Croats during WWII. Then let's move on to Mirel who continues to live in denial and doesn't accept the fact that Kosovo Albanians and many from Albanian fought with Hitler's Nazis during WWII. And finally, Nikolle can chip in with her holier than thou (although she's atheist) attitude.

Can't wait to hear from you all.

Erm, do Albanians in Presheva have a special fund assigned to them? Do they wield veto powers? Do they have houses built for them? Do they live in specially built municipalities autonomous from the state? not that I think Albanians in Presheva should have these, but just to draw a parallel here
(Nikolle, 12 November 2014 10:53)

Well we are drawing comparisons from a sovereign, UN recognized state and a NATO protectorate. But one things for certain, since the great migration of Albanians into Slavic lands during communist times, you have had nothing but assistance and funds thrown your way. And each time, you manage to make your communities as poor as Albania. Today you get billions from Western organizations, and Kosovo-Metohija is still an impoverished black hole.

Congratulations, I see where all that pride you guys keep talking about comes from. Fantastic achievements.

"Well we are drawing comparisons from a sovereign, UN recognized state and a NATO protectorate."

..and? we were asked, what more fewer rights do Albanians in Presheva have compared to Serbs in Kosovo? I outlined legislative rights that Serbs enjoy in Kosovo, which Albanians in Presheva don't. i recognise that comprehension is a problem for you, so I forgive you. as for your other points, I can't be bothered to correct them. suffice to say, however backwards or primitive Albanians are, we don't have the record of having produced the 2nd highest number of war criminals after Nazi Germany, its the heavenly people who have enjoy that one

From Nikolle: "how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games?"

Taunts of death. Poor Nikolle and her thin-skinned Albanian patriots. Boo-hoo. Come back when the level of violence and primutive behavior of Serbs toward Albanians in Presevo comes close to that of the way Serbs are treated by Albanians in Kosovo. Serbs in Kosovo would gladly trade the conditions they live in with that of Albanians in Presevo. Please attempt to make a little bit of sense when you respond this time.

According to the Albanian Helsinki Human rights comitee there are about 2000 Serb-Montegrins living in Albania.
I could not find and evidence of them having been abused.
There are a lot of allegations that they had to change their names under the communist regime. I cant find any serious research about it. I dont know what all the fuss is about here, the communist regime in Albania was the most totalitarian ever, think North Korea and albanias were victims just as the serbs living there.
On the other hand, it is a shame that albanians in Preseva have less rights than serbs in kosovo, it shows we are falling behind, and very soon serbs will have less and less rights with the current government we have.

" This lady said that Italy is full of (not my words but hers) these parasites that only live off crime and fill our prisons."

and still these backward people got Kosmet from you. Doesn't say much for the intelligence of those north of our border does it? Maybe that's your problem, you're too intelligent

"Please Mr. Rama, exactly what rights do Serbs have in Kosovo that Albanians in Presevo don't have? Since my question to him is figurative, perhaps some the Albanian fanatics on this site would like to answer the question."

Erm, do Albanians in Presheva have a special fund assigned to them? Do they wield veto powers? Do they have houses built for them? Do they live in specially built municipalities autonomous from the state? not that I think Albanians in Presheva should have these, but just to draw a parallel here

My father is Greek from Himara and my mother is Serbian from Shkodra. My family has never experienced any form of discrimination while living in Albania.
(Greek/Serb from Albania, 11 November 2014 23:17)

Wow, what are the odds I get a response from a half Serb/half Greek living in Albania on B92? Better yet, one touting the official state rhetoric of multiethnic inclusion and the absence of any problem whatsoever? Even better someone commenting here for the first time specifically on this issue without having made yourself known anytime prior?

You're either the extreme example in this case in which I raise a glass to you or the worst liar on the Internet in which I wonder which regular Albanian cyber nationalist of the diaspora are you really.

From Nikolle: "It seems to me that you need to familiarise yourself with Kosovo's constitution and the political rights Serb municipalities enjoy, something which Albanians in Presheva have no chance in hell of getting."

Once again, Nikolle misses the point entirely. How can you equate constitutional rights written on a piece of paper (but not lived up to) with the reality on the ground. Anyone can write anything on a piece of paper like the constitution of any entity. What really matters is how people are treated.

I'm sure the Kosovo constitutions provides for complete rights of Serbs to go to school, visit their places of worship, work at their jobs and enjoy full rights just as any other citizens of Kosovo. But the reality is far different. What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle? There's a good chance they'll be killed. You and I both know that. The constitution, however, gives Serbs the right to use their language. The Kosovo constitution gives Serbs and all of its citizens full protection under the law, right? Please explain then why nobody is ever prosecuted for crimes committed against Serbs? So much for your constitution and your baseless arguments...again. Your tired attempt to play the internet intellectual is growing very old. Run along now. Isn't it time for you to post some more of your nonsense on another thread? LOL

What i wanna say is that the time of tito and rankovic an milosevic has gon
Now is new reaility you serbs have to no that say what ever you wanna say about albanian but now is our turn in the balkan

From Danilo: "You know, last I checked there are 2 busses a day between Belgrade and Pristina.

Obviously, you've never been to Kosovo, otherwise you wouldn't say such things."

You shouldn't make assumptions on things you know nothing about. I have been to Kosovo, and two days before I went there, two Serbian policemen were ambushed and killed by Albanians. But according to you, this type of thing never happens in Kosovo.

More from Danilo: "Serbian is an official language of Kosovo."

And Serbs are official citizens of Kosovo. Yet they have to be protected 24 hours around the clock by international peacekeepers to prevent them from being killed.

From Danilo: "Personally, I've never been killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina."

Maybe you should spend some more time there then. I'll even buy your bus ticket from Belgrade.

From Nikolle: "Albanians have enough I.Q. points to get holy Kosmet from you don't we?"

And what have you done with it? Turned it into the black hole of Europe. A virtual narco-state run by criminals where drug-running and vendetta killings are the norm. Even with the billions of dollars the west has wasted on Kosovo, it remains the poorest region in Europe with no hope for the future. And if one considers Kosovo still part of Serbia, then Albania, your country is the poorest and most backward in Europe.

Boy, for a people who, as you claim are the indigenous people of the Balkans, why are you the poorest and least affluent? Seems to me that everyone else passed you by. The main Albanian industry next to drug-running is asking the west for handouts. Nice career path for your youth. So much for that high Albanian IQ. LOL

From Nikolle: "No, we got them to act as our air force, pretty smart"

I'd say pretty pathetic. Think about it. If you have been in Europe longer than anyone else, as you claim, why then can't you even defend yourselves? Why did you turn Kosovo and Albania into the most backward places in Europe and arguably in the world. You're a basket case and happy about it. That tells me all I need to know about your IQ. LOL

From Nikolle: "Its a lot smarter to get others to do the fighting for you njegos and then win for you. Because of it, I live in Prishtina where according to you, Serbs daren't make a peep. You have your prideand IQ however so not to worry"

When you can't defend yourselves, someone has to protect you. And when you aren't smart enough to think for yourselves, someone else will do your thinking too. That has been the history of your people. From being vassals of the Ottomans to vassals of the Axis powers and now to vassals of NATO. It's no wonder that when Albanians come to the US they look for gov't. handouts. That's all your people have ever known. BTW, what do you do for a living? I can only guess.

azir said "Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs."

This sociopathic-like comment says so much about this sick albanian named azir.

From Nikolle: "have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him?"

HA, HA, HA, HA! You're not serious are you?? You're sinking fast. Serbs in Kosovo south of the Ibar have to be escorted by international peacekeepers to and from school, stores, church, etc. And you come up with some guy who says Albanains are wonderful. You are in denial. You come onto a Serb sight and portray yourself as a level-headed intellectual while your brethren in Kosovo are doing their best to ethnically cleanse the area of everyone and everything Serb. Protected by international peacekeepers to just to conduct their daily lives! This is reality Nikolle. Do you deny this? Your nicely written constitutional rights for everyone is worthless if the reality on the ground for Serbs is that they can't even go to the store without escorts from the international community.

Your ridiculous comments are helping to bring down the average Albanian IQ...and believe me, your people don't have any IQ points to spare! LOL

"What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle?" really? have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him?

I have read every single article on his blog and he has never ever written that he has spoken Serbian in Pristina, English yes but not Serbian.

Azir the coward, here's an excerpt from an article written by Todd Emoff, a Jew who clearly disputes your outrageous claim that the Albanians saved 100% of its Jewish population: "Albanians formed two SS divisions under the Nazis. One of these, the infamous 21st Waffen SS "Skanderbeg" division (composed mostly of Gheg Albanians from Kosovo and northern Albania) spent the latter stages of the war hunting down Jews to be killed at Jasenovac, and committing mass killings of Serbs."

Azir, you are a coward just like the rest of your Nazi following ancestors. I'm growing tired of teaching you and your revisionist friends on this site your own history. Run along now, I'm sure there are tables to be bused in the Serbian-owned restaurant you work at. Oops, I forgot, most Albanians in the US don't work, they collect disability from the gov't. LOL

From Nikolle: "and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more"

Correction Nikolle, NATO led by the US took Kosovo away, not Albanians. Let's not kid ourselves here, Kosovo is on life support and if the west pulled out and quit sending money, Kosovo's quasi-independence would be over. Enjoy it for the time being.

'Serbs in Kosovo would gladly trade the conditions they live in with that of Albanians in Presevo.' I very much doubt this, because if they did, then their fund would be taken away, no houses would be built for them, and their municipalities would cease enjoying autonomy from the state. Not to worry, its not the first time you co me up with a wrong prognosis

I very much doubt this, because if they did, then their fund would be taken away, no houses would be built for them, and their municipalities would cease enjoying autonomy from the state.

First and foremost, Albanians already receve a certain amonut of money from the state every year just like every other minority and Serbs in Kosovo do not enjoy any autonomy whatsoever. I would gladly see that we start to treat albs in Serbia just like you treat Serbs in kosovo by burning their monesterys, churches and houses and threatening and throwing stones on children that try to go to school on daily basis. I hope that mosques will start to burn and alb graveyards get vandalised in a very near future. What comes around goes around.

ally njegos? that's all you have? how about the right not be subjected to taunts of death to Albanians during football games? not having their bakeries torched?

These criminals that torched bakerys are arrested and punished unlike your savages that kill, attack and vandalize everything that is serbian.

Niegro you are correct in that i support Croatia that is a EURO and NATO member .
Jasenovic was remarkable effort to cure Serbs.

The real cowards are all in the Hague,Six feet under and people like you that still defends criminal actions the world witnessed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.

You my coward neighbor is living in denial.
(azir, 12 November 2014 10:24)

So you defend and approve of Jasenovac where 700 000 people, mostly women and children were slaughtered in the most brutal way? That shows how sick you are, are there any moderators here? That comment was way way way out of line. Wake up moderators and ban him he writes comments like this on a daily basis what the hell are you doing?

Let me remind you about this,Comments which include insults, indecencies, racial or ethnic hate messages and intolerance of any kind will not be published.

It's silly to deny its dangerous to speak Serbian and people have been killed for speaking Serbian! A Bulgarian man was killed because someone though Bulgarian was Serbian!

and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more
(Nikolle, 14 November 2014 14:04)

You had nothing to do with it, it was taken by your masters.

Nikolle, so you agree that Albanians can't do anything on their own without their NATO masters and the Kosovo house of cards will come tumbling down when the west leaves, right? I knew we would find something we could agree on if we kept communicating. You're making progress.

"What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle?" really? have you ever any articles by Stefan Surlic, who actually was a Serb visitor in Prishtina and spoke Serbian in the capital and nothing happened to him? I mean, you're trying so hard to paint the Serb populace as defenceless, when the reality is that they enjoy more rights than other minorities here as well as gettign more money from the funds of Kosovo, because you suffer from the same victim complex that has gripped the heavenly people. This condition is your problem, not mine. as for this " Your tired attempt to play the internet intellectual is growing very old", sunshine, you really don't have to read any of my comments, nor do you have to address questions to me, as you did. You can easily ignore what i write, i do that with a lot of posters here. I used to do it to you as well, but since you asked me a question, I think I had to give an answer

Its a lot smarter to get others to do the fighting for you njegos and then win for you. Because of it, I live in Prishtina where according to you, Serbs daren't make a peep. You have your prideand IQ however so not to worry

"When you can't defend yourselves, someone has to protect you. And when you aren't smart enough to think for yourselves, someone else will do your thinking too. That has been the history of your people. From being vassals of the Ottomans to vassals of the Axis powers and now to vassals of NATO. It's no wonder that when Albanians come to the US they look for gov't. handouts. That's all your people have ever known. BTW, what do you do for a living? I can only guess."

I agree, it was stupid of Albanians to get the West on our side, its not as if it drove the Serbs out is it?

All men (including Serbs and Albanian) originate from monkey. Having said this, than history is subjective to how many years backward are you looking. If you go back 2-6 millions years, both Albanians and Serbs used to live in the same continent (which is Africa) belonging to probably two different monkeys families. So the real issue of discussion, today is: "which monkey family is better than the other?"

All these energy lost in pointless discussion, could be used more efficiently in order to improve the future (which seems to be EU for both Albanian and Serbs).

Greetings from Tirana

"First and foremost, Albanians already receve a certain amonut of money from the state every year just like every other minority and Serbs in Kosovo do not enjoy any autonomy whatsoever."

It seems to me that you need to familiarise yourself with Kosovo's constitution and the political rights Serb municipalities enjoy, something which Albanians in Presheva have no chance in hell of getting. As for graves vandalised in Presheva, that has happened already. However, asks Serbs in Kosovo if they're willing to give up the funds especially set up for them, something denied to the Croat community in Janjev and Turkish community in Prizren, let alone denied to Albanians in Presheve

But the reality is far different. What happens if someone is heard speaking Serbian in downtown Pristina, Nikolle? There's a good chance they'll be killed. You and I both know that.
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You know, last I checked there are 2 busses a day between Belgrade and Pristina.

Obviously, you've never been to Kosovo, otherwise you wouldn't say such things.

No one is killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina.

Serbian is an official language of Kosovo.

Personally, I've never been killed for speaking Serbian in Pristina.

"Your ridiculous comments are helping to bring down the average Albanian IQ...and believe me, your people don't have any IQ points to spare! LOL"

You intelligence is so low, that it would be unfair to take into account when measuring the collective I.Q. of the heavenly people. However, Albanians have enough I.Q. points to get holy Kosmet from you don't we? Doesn't say much for you though does it?

@ njegos,

and even if all of that is true (it isn't) it doesn't say much for you that a people with low IQ scores took holy Kosmet away does it? Maybe you should use your high IQ a bit more

"Correction Nikolle, NATO led by the US took Kosovo away, not Albanians. Let's not kid ourselves here, Kosovo is on life support and if the west pulled out and quit sending money, Kosovo's quasi-independence would be over. Enjoy it for the time being."

We used our IQ's to get them on our side, something you didn't think of

"Nikolle, so you agree that Albanians can't do anything on their own without their NATO masters and the Kosovo house of cards will come tumbling down when the west leaves, right? I knew we would find something we could agree on if we kept communicating. You're making progress."

No, we got them to act as our air force, pretty smart. After all, it got the Serbian army to move out. You're too simple to think of stuff like that, but don't worry, at least you have high IQ and pride