Daily: Russia cuts gas deliveries over unpaid debt

hahahaha, there you have it, Serbia's best fried in the whole wide world cuts the gas supply. What if EU would start acting the same way whenever Serbia doesn't want to act the way they want. there would be an outcry here about the barbaric methods of the West, the devils trying to bancrupt Serbia, etc ....

We have to be way more pragmatic here as a nation. Russia maybe our big brother but that is just in name. They really don't care about us if it is not in their national interest.
I protested when we royally welcomed Putin in Belgrade and made a huge deal over a stupid football match with Albania by postponing their's prime minister visit.
Our trade with Albania is 30% bigger than what we trade with Russia. Actually, like it or not but Albania is our biggest trading partner right now.
It is time for us to open our eyes and see that economic ties and trade only will improve our daily life, pandering to Putin might make us feel good but it wont bring food on the table. Our relation with Russia is only special when it suits the Russian interests. Our economic interests lie in the Balkans with our neighbors, lets develop them and leave behind the nationalistic bitterness.

"In August, the Ministry of Interior set up a working group to review of the sale of the Oil Industry of Serbia (NIS) to the Russian company Gazprom Neft."

Could this be the real cause of this situation?

Sources here in Italy tells the main truth...
All in the Serbian governament share the same opinion about the privatization of NIS...IT WAS NOT DONE IN Serbia's interest ..

This is not the real issue, bet on it!! Two hundred million is peanuts if you consider Russia's wealth and energy resources. In addition, Serbia is the only friend Russia has in the Balkans. Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.
(ivan, 31 October 2014 15:05)

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15

GTFO. There is no conflict in the world that you Russians don't stick your noses but somehow you don't like it when others mention your problems. Hypocrites.

What I think is that USD 200 Mln. is not the sum Russia and Serbia will spoil their relations for. There must be something that we don’t know yet. Also I know that every Russian consumer to stop the payments will be cut from the pipe in a month. So I prefer to wait for the details before making any judgments. Yes it is a political step so the final solution was by Putin. But don’t forget that we have Energy Minister of the Serbian origin and he must be one of the few who gives recommendations to Putin. Also I think the moment is not good for hiding the problem because of the long lasting Russian-EU talks over the transit and the USD 5,3 Bln. that Ukraine already owes Gazprom. The problem has no good solutions because Ukraine is a bankrupt state. They will take gas for USD 385 per cubic meter while their internal price for the consumers remains USD 90 … Meanwhile Russia took a tough position and it may look as double standards if we close our eyes at the Serbian debt. Well I don’t know what’s going on and I hate to speculate over the things that are outside of my understanding.
(rote, 31 October 2014 12:40)

I'm not sure what the rambling above exactly means, but one thing is sure that according to a certain rote http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=91939#k417618 the relations between Russia and Serbia developed under other logic. Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!

May be the US senator was right when he said that Putin left Serbia disappointed.

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount but there is a reason and just maybe Serbia is making bad decisions regarding the west. Sometimes you have to smack a child when all else fails.

WOW
Putin is getting very cheap ... Think about it after clicking the following link.
http://rt.com/business/172020-russia-cuba-debt-writeoff/

"In August, the Ministry of Interior set up a working group to review of the sale of the Oil Industry of Serbia (NIS) to the Russian company Gazprom Neft."

Late, but better than never. I hope the secret deals will finally be unveiled to the public. Everyone with a sane mind knows that there must have been some other reason to sell NIS for some peanuts without a transparent public tender to Gazprom and people who benefited from this deal.

P.S: Good old proverb: When it comes to money, friendship ends. This goes for Serbia just like for Ukraine.

Well it looks like you Serbs did not kiss Putins ass enough and he is very upset. I hope you learned your lessons next time more ass kissing and graveling when you overlord Putin comes for a homage visit. My advice make a new ministry of ass kissing and graveling. Start practising so next time you will be perfect and Putini will be gedious with joy. All thow presidents Tomislav Nikolić did change the dates of some celebration to suit Putin when he came. Nikolić should run that ministry he has wealth of experience.

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out. Our relations are very divisive and they cannot be spoiled by any company or any top of the two states. Best if you stop dreaming of it or as the Russians say - НЕ ДОЖДЕТЕСЬ !

(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15

Such a big tough keyboard warrior! and even able to make threats in Russian! I bet you have him shaking for fear of you releasing your poison, Go back to Russia little man, Putin needs you for his conquering army.
Putin has helped Russia bounce back but it is still no match for US forces. Any nukes he launches will be countered from several sources.
Do you really think the price of oil has dropped as a fluke. That is your power base and without it you are nothing.
You think anyone is worried about the Russian-Serbian relations?? Get real. It is obvious that Russia has used the Kosovo issue to bilk what it can from Serbia, and Putin will wipe the crumbs off the table if they do not remember their place and that is down on the floor not seated at the table. The 28% reduction in gas is just the tip of the iceberg should Serbia not cough up more assets while Russia is struggle for cash flow.

Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.

This is not the real issue, bet on it!! Two hundred million is peanuts if you consider Russia's wealth and energy resources. In addition, Serbia is the only friend Russia has in the Balkans. Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.

Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 14:05)

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out. Our relations are very divisive and they cannot be spoiled by any company or any top of the two states. Best if you stop dreaming of it or as the Russians say - НЕ ДОЖДЕТЕСЬ ! After WW2 even the two really grate Joes have failed to destroy the brotherhood that scares you so much. If you think that Putin can afford such a development you are a dreamer. To say nothing of the reaction of common Russians it would be quite irrational of him to lose our only ally in the region. So forget it and better search for a better job. As I know Pristina taxists earn not much because of the big offer. Meanwhile we’ll settle our problems by ourselves as БЕЗ СОПЛИВЫХ СКОЛЬЗКО !

Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.
(ivan

Russia wrote off 90% of the said debt according to the link a fellow poster provided. Since Russia's economy is in the toilet someone has to pay for this write-off.
I'm sure it won't be the 'brotherly Serbs'.

hahaha and Serbs still think Russians are our brothers.

During the Yugoslav wars, Russia and Soviet Union did not even lift a finger, they did not even veto 1 UN resolution in the 10 year period. Serbs should know that the Russians were the main backers for the Kumanovo treaty and the only reason Slobo caved in was because he lost support from Russia, which is ironic seeing as Serbia was being attacked because it is considered "little Russia". Thanks for the help guys!

And what the hell does this albino Putin expect from us anyways? He knows Serbian is a puppet regime set up by NATO. Continuing to lose Serb support is Russia digging its own little grave haha!

That depends on how you want to twist what I've mentioned. I never said Serbia's influence in the Balkans A***hole! I said Russia's influence in the Balkans. Like rote said, what is it to you albos anyway. We don't need your two cents.
(ivan, 31 October 2014 20:04)

I understand that you are irritated due to this rude awakening by Russia of all of those naive people having a romantic view of the Russia-Serbia relations, but don't loose the lucidity in your thoughts :)

You said "Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.". The above means that you believe that Serbia has influence in the Balkans, otherwise your statement above is meaningless!!!

Up to you to decide which statement of yours is meaningless; that one on 31 October 2014 20:04 or the one on October 2014 15:05 lol

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount...
(Peggy, 31 October 2014 23:24)

Well, with the Ruble collapsing to the lowest in almost two decades (unfortunately, even the almighty Putin can't just issue an order to fix that), any source of foreign currency is important for Russia...

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Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.
(Avni, 31 October 2014 19:20)

Avni, I've looked deep into your writings here on b92 and I saw your soul, and it's good. And so is Nikolle's,
Mirel's, ICJ's, Ian's, and many other Albanians that I've insulted with some of my cruel, insensitive jokes. It was my intention to reveal truths by poking fun at my subjects. We all need to learn to see our own shortcomings, and learn to laugh at ourselves. When we do, it's a lot easier to forgive ourselves, and others as well. This life is not to be taken so seriously. The challenge is to stay positive and to continue to love one another even when things appear hopeless.

The Truth:

I cannot emphasize enough my liking and respect for your president Jahjaga. Looking at photos of her breaks my heart when I see the pain in her posture and her eyes. Regarding Thaci, I've walked in his shoes many times, and I don't see myself as a lesser sinner than him.
I would like to take this opportunity to ask for forgiveness from those that I've hurt and insulted during our exchanges, as it would benefit us greatly beyond our understanding. And I would also like to take this opportunity to let you know, that for reasons I can't mention here, you Albanians have a special, permanent place in my heart.

For every person that dies as a result of Putin cutting off gas supplies, he should be tried on manslaughter charges.

What I think is that USD 200 Mln. is not the sum Russia and Serbia will spoil their relations for. There must be something that we don’t know yet. Also I know that every Russian consumer to stop the payments will be cut from the pipe in a month. So I prefer to wait for the details before making any judgments. Yes it is a political step so the final solution was by Putin. But don’t forget that we have Energy Minister of the Serbian origin and he must be one of the few who gives recommendations to Putin. Also I think the moment is not good for hiding the problem because of the long lasting Russian-EU talks over the transit and the USD 5,3 Bln. that Ukraine already owes Gazprom. The problem has no good solutions because Ukraine is a bankrupt state. They will take gas for USD 385 per cubic meter while their internal price for the consumers remains USD 90 … Meanwhile Russia took a tough position and it may look as double standards if we close our eyes at the Serbian debt. Well I don’t know what’s going on and I hate to speculate over the things that are outside of my understanding. So I prefer to wait for the mist to go …

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

You are correct. That's why I abstained from expressing any opinion but just referred to a certain rote (who, I assume, is not an Albanian) who argued http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=91939#k417618 that the relations between Russia and Serbia developed under other logic. Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!
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After WW2 even the two really grate Joes have failed to destroy the brotherhood that scares you so much.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

That so-called "brotherhood" is a blessing for the Albanians. Imagine if Serbia had been in brotherhood with the EU or the US; the 1999 bombing would have never happened and Kosovo would still be under Serbia today.
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If you think that Putin can afford such a development you are a dreamer. To say nothing of the reaction of common Russians it would be quite irrational of him to lose our only ally in the region.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

Are you calling Putin stupid now?! Actually what he is doing makes perfect sense. I understand Serbs' dreams of grandeur like thinking themselves as being the most important country in the Balkans and bla, bla, bla, but obviously Putin does not think so and believes that having an ally like Serbia in the region is worthless!

@rote said:
“Sounds very Albanian..blah blah blah....cash money live while Russia is one of such places. Hope you are a Serb. blah blah"

I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries. 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest is sold here, so maybe I am biased in what I say. I have been in Albania on several business trips and don’t find them to be different from us. We are all just Balkan people. I have also been to Russia and we maybe brothers by heritage, but our lifestyle and mentality is closer to Albanians and other Balkan peoples then Russians. There is nothing wrong with being economic rivals, that is how progress is made, all countries are economic rivals.
We have to beat them with economic growth just as we should have beaten their football team by scoring 3 goals in the first 30 minutes, rather than by hooligans on the field.
You probably have in mind Moscow or St-Peters when you talk about Russia being wealthy, but if you ever went out of those cities, majority of Russians live like in medieval ages, really. I worked in Russia for 5 years, I know what I am talking about and it is not pretty. And those oligarchs who have all the money behave more like uncultured rich Arab sheikhs then true responsible businessman. Serbia's place and interest is first in the Balkans then in Europe. Certainly not in Russia.

hahaha I like these "sources." This is just propaganda.

@rote,

You're right. The Russians have proven themselves to be lethal with poison. I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to use it on someone.

(boom, 31 October 2014 23:19)

How is Putins visit to Serbia in any way tied to the rabid behavior of Albanian ultra nationalists and provocative messages (I'd call them warnings), right in the middle of Belgrade? I believe those two things are completely separate issues. The drone is just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to Albanian violence as more than 50 Serbian homes have been vandalized or in some cases burned to the ground only since the drone provocation. You must have your head buried in the sand.

As far Russia goes, there are obviously cultural and religious ties there with the Russian nation that will always exist. However no government on this planet is a "brother" or "friend" to Serbia, Russia included. Everyone is out for their own selfish interests. The Russian government wants gas payments, the EU wants "harmonization" of foreign and internal policies that match the dictat and demands of the Brussels unelected central planners.

Both are pretty unfriendly, I guess. But Moscow wanting payments on what is owed seems a little more reasonable than what the EU demands. Maybe Vucic's new Western friends can pay war reparations to Serbia for the illegal and immoral bombardment in the 1990s and that can be used to pay off the Russians. Problem solved.

@ ari gold
I comment on this forum as I expect the level of the people reading here to be higher than on the serb language version where it makes me sick to read how the majority of my people think about the neighbors. Albania did not go to war with any of its neighbors that I know of, yet we did with Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Kosovo, you name it. Is it their fault?

I am disappointed that I wasted 30 seconds of my time reading your gibberish.
I wish b92 would put an ignore button next to recommend so I can click it and ignore you in the future.

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 16:34)

That depends on how you want to twist what I've mentioned. I never said Serbia's influence in the Balkans A***hole! I said Russia's influence in the Balkans. Like rote said, what is it to you albos anyway. We don't need your two cents.

Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.
(Avni, 31 October 2014 19:20)

For once you are 110% right!!! Somebody out there please shake this young Albanian's hand for me.

Some reality check here. We sold NIS to our big brother Putin for 400 million when its market value was closer to 2 billion, yet our big brother Putin is not happy that we didn't pay the 200 million for the gas.
Yeah let's go and kill those Albanian terrorists that distracted us with that drone and we got screwed by Putin. And lets cancel their prime minister's visit, who need Albanian enemies when we have friends like Putin.

It was the Tadic government not the Kostunica government that negotiated NIS deal with Russians without external advisors and in a non-competitive process. Kostunica government privatisation of NIS was to be in a competitive tender process run by an International bank.

hahahaha, there you have it, Serbia's best fried in the whole wide world cuts the gas supply. What if EU would start acting the same way whenever Serbia doesn't want to act the way they want. there would be an outcry here about the barbaric methods of the West, the devils trying to bancrupt Serbia, etc ....
(Willi Pfaff, 31 October 2014 14:14)

Willi that is exactly how the West, and everyone else reacts. When you don't pay a bill, your country risks default and bankruptcy. Friendly relations have nothing to do with a contractor expecting payment for goods delivered. If Russia gave all of its fuel away, what would become of their economy and their abillity to help others?

As far as trying to bankrupt Serbia, this government and the past governments are and were responsible for getting Serbia's affairs in order. Maybe they spent to much time courting voters and the western governments and too little time promoting economic growth and fiscal responsibility

I AM SO POPULAR TODAY !

GTFO. There is no conflict in the world that you Russians don't stick your noses but somehow you don't like it when others mention your problems. Hypocrites. (Mark, 31 October 2014 21:01)

CAN YOU PLEASE LIST THE CONFLICTS WHERE OUR INVOLVEMENT WAS NEGATIVE

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Lenard

НЕ ТВОЕ ХОРВАТСКОЕ ДЕЛО or just tell me where the Serbs would be today should they follow the advice from you or the Albanian chorus ?

Serbia is the biggest and most influential country in the balcans which have been shown numerous times through the years. This has nothing to do with how influential Serbia is or isn´t, this is 100%tied to the privatization of NIS, dont comment on something that you dont have a clue about.
(Daniel, 3 November 2014 16:27)

Unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. If Serbia were really the most influential country in the Balkans, Russia would pay much more than $200 million to Serbia so that it could control the Balkans. But obviously Russia thinks that Serbia's friendship is worthless to help Russia's influence in the Balkans. Now if Russia does not have a clue about Serbia's great influence in the Balkans, then please feel free to educate Russia :)

This probably has more to do with the fact that Serbia did not sign a deal with Russia on the construction of South Stream. Belgrade is under pressure of EU and the US not to proceed with South Stream. Like some US congress man who visited Serbia the other said that signing up to South Stream would put Serbia in direct conflict with the US.
200 million is much money for Serbia but not so much for Russia. Putin wants to let Vucic know he can still put pressure on Serbia. But Putin is using a stick where it might be wiser for him to use a carrot.

Vucic has to make Russia an enemy for Serbia to be in eu and that's what Vucic has done. His extreme humiliation of putin during his visit was great for eu in Serbia but bad for Russia Giving Serbia special treatment. Parade does not make up for eu aspiration.

"Willi that is exactly how the West, and everyone else reacts. When you don't pay a bill, your country risks default and bankruptcy. Friendly relations have nothing to do with a contractor expecting payment for goods delivered. "
(marKo, 31 October 2014 20:03)

Exactly. With a small difference: If you be a good ass licker for Putin, your country will get some favorable pricing, like Ukraine got under Yanukovich, or like Belarus with its glorious president. And I don't mean the famous 'favorable gas prices' Gazprom granted to Serbia which were higher than the ones on the spot market.

Besides that, of course the gas and oil has to be payed, no matter what price was agreed, otherwise the supply will be cut - this is only normal and fair.

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The albino pigmy white boy doesn't know yet, that if this article is true, Russia lost Serbia's friendship forever. If he cuts more, he would be lucky if one post-1918 Russian monument remains intact in Serbia.
Serbs stayed loyal to Russia through thick and thin, like any true, loyal, and honorable friend would have who had been helped when in need, and now the yoke and the burden that brought Serbia practically to her knees has been lifted, and Serbia is FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!!! Thank God almighty she is free at last to do and to go wherever she pleases without a guilty conscience and false hopes.

Last week I read that some Russian, cheap con artist, low-life-commie-scumbag manpig called my Commander in Chief a brown boy. That manpig doesn't know that if I heard him in person that I would've slapped him so MFen hard he'd have caviar rolling down his legs, "then I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me, place my boot on his face and ask "What was that you were saying?" before I saw him scurry away sniveling to his sister's for a clean pair of Y-fronts".
And for sure Rote, if you are reading, I guarantee you, that I would've been the one standing upright and not you!!!

Listen to Boom everybody, whoever he might be. He means well.

P.S. Please forgive me Lord, and bless the pygmies, albinos, midgets, and manpigs. Amen!

(boom, 2 November 2014 16:27)

So you who are claiming to be Serbian on the internet offers understanding for the rabid Albanian violence against the Serbian population on your unproven, ridiculous belief that "Slobo drove 2 million Albanians out of Kosovo"

a.) There have never been 2 million Albanians ever living in Kosovo-Metohija, though since 1945 the communist gov't allowed in hundreds of thousands and gave them money to build/buy houses.

b.) Serbia would have never had the capacity to deport that many people.

In fact, not even the anti-Serbian Hague Tribunal has accused Serbia of such a crime. No, the only time such hysteria was ever fabricated was on CNN and BBC in order to drive Western opinion into supporting the illegal and immoral bombardment.

In Bosnia Western media said a million Muslims were being slaughtered by "Serbian thugs" to get the demonization campaign going. The Hague says 100, 000 total civilians were killed about 67, 000 of those being Bosnian Muslims and not even all of them were at the hands of Serbs. Croats fought for independence in Bosnia too.

What was said about Serbs in the 90s were complete and deliberate lies. The people telling the lies know full well too. The other sides were no boy scouts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8
http://leejaywalker.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bosnian-mujahedins3.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XW4YN_lolYA/RzleTtbQO2I/AAAAAAAAAYE/SXz8YG_A_Hg/s400/Jasenovac11.jpg

@rote
And you do not know what it is to be free in a free country. The only free country on the continent

You obviously live behind the noon. Who wants to live in Russia? Boom is correct in what he says about the country you live in. It is a currupt dictatorship run by a few super rich oligarchs and outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg people live in poverty. An unfree press, no human rights, a facist government and no future. The current regime will not survive, there will be a time when they are going to swept away just like the communists.

Why arn't people imigrating to Russia when it is so wonderful, why arn't refugees trying to go there? They certainly prefer to go and live in places like Western Europe, EU, or North America. All the stupid talk about Russia overtaking the west and the end of the EU is redicules, and shows how dumb and brainwashed you guys are.

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.

I am disappointed that I wasted 30 seconds of my time reading your gibberish.
I wish b92 would put an ignore button next to recommend so I can click it and ignore you in the future.
(boom, 3 November 2014 16:31)

lol gibberish. This moron is here talking to me about the "kosovo constitution" and "2 million Albanians" being driven out when there have never even been that many in Kosovo-Metohija and I'M talking gibberish.

@ Rote

It would be last idiotic things you would do on this earth. But I know the bigger is the distance the braver are the dystrophic. By the way already have one Rocky here … also very brave and also a hashishist.
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"(T)hen I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me. . ."

I see that you didn't like your funny Pravda's quote above with the Y-fronts that was addressed to the Australians.

Big distance small distance close up, the guarantee stands. Whether it would be the last thing I did or not, that wouldn't be for you to decide.

P.S. I hope that you've noticed that for all these years I've never insulted Russians or their leaders until you chose not only to insult my President, but all the people of color.

P.S.S. Go to church and light a candle and thank the Lord for B92's intervention of my posts, otherwise, you might could of had a brain aneurysm or a major anxiety attack. Not only today, but every time you heard or read the names Billy and Texas.

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

I couldn't've said it better, but I bet you a fist full of dollars or railroad tanker full of oil I could've said it funnier.

P.S. Oil be dirt cheap now and some of us Texans are back to drinking gasoline. Just in case somebody tries messin' with us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmnUayaQyBk

(Ari Gold, 4 November 2014 23:30)

I do not know where you get the idea that I am old and ready to die? Besides your prejudice remarks, I am 59, healthy, and in good shape, and everybody in my family lived well up into their 90's, so my chances to live another 40 years are high, and i might outlive you.

I fought fascism my entire life, no matter where i see it, and I am am a reflective thoughful and inteligent person that is not familiar with the concept of hate like you display it every time you write here. I fight against facism because the country I was borne in displayed the worst outbreak of that human nighmare concept in history. I am very well aware of that, because I can reflect on things and put them into perspective. Well, You can't, otherwise you would not argue the way you do, and realize like most people, at least in the west, that Serbia comes in second when you look at the recent European history. You simply deny any serbian wrongdoings in the Balkan conflicst of the 90's, well, even worse, you think they had the right to do what they did.

The nazi dinosaur in this case is you, not me. Had you lived in the 30's you would be one of Hitler's blind followers and justify his crimes against humanity, just like you justify Milosevic's cimes.

Rote,

I went to this here "prayer gathering" http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/202536-player-gathering-houston-tx-18feb13/page__st__240 and I met me some super cool Serbs with whom I still keep in touch.
One them was pretty witty and funny so we hit it off right away and bonded. I told him that I started posting
on B92 awhile back to comfort Serbs and to teach and demonstrate the power of truth without wavering in all aspects of life, including politics, CNN's evil brand of journalism, and the Catholic church.

I asked him if he had any funny Serb material that I might could use to tickle some ribs while I sneak in few words of the Good News, and I was kindly obliged. Going through the list and searching for the one that would best represent your little "chest out-belly in" idol, I came up with this one: Putin has a soul the size of a spider's texticles.

"Chest out-belly in . . . a nation capable of this injunction as a general rule is in great danger," . . .
I read that on page 17, in "Hara The Vital Centre of Man", by Karlfried Graf Durckheim.

I recommend this book to all Albanians and Russians, especially to their leaders, as the two of you are about to be the two loneliest countries on the planet, along with North Korea, with no friends as immediate neighbors or any kind of friends and neighbors. Isolation is a bitch, and promotes rot in the minds of both young and old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdI2xPHw_k

Moderators, please post both pages or neither. Rote knows that I frequent this forum and he chose to insult my
President and other African Americans. P.S. Let him bring it to me, as I can handle the best of them when they
insult my Chief, whom I happen to like and respect very much. Thank you.
BW

@Billy,

If you ask you shall receive!

@ Rote

Billie-Hole



PS I've also read you message to the Albanians to be finally sure that you have mental problems. But don’t you worry because if you go on spitting this way I’ll improve your brains very soon. It will further hurt your complex of inferiority but your brains will be OK. First go and wash you ***hole as this is the way you will taking your pills in. Hope it is white.
(rote, 2 November 2014 14:52)

Now at least I know that you're not a Russian she. Your short last sentence is telling to me from what I see
here in the States. It's also telling to me now why the likes of you hate Americans of color so much.
Not sure if your tennis coach's hate for Americans of color is the same as yours. Usually some of our rednecks can't stand them because they envy their size, and the fact that they go out with their most beautiful white daughters.
I am also now convinced about your sexual preference. The fact that you constantly use the words complex and
complex of inferiority is telling me that you are the one with the complex of inferiority, desperately trying to mask it (Psych 100).
I'm finding your profile pretty easy to put together, wouldn't you say???

Regarding my message to the Albanians, you read just the tip of it.

P.S. Now that I know your sexual orientation, mebbe I can teach you how to walk and talk properly for me, that is, after I teach you how to behave properly around Long Horn Texans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyj4ciJk34

TEXAS ***HOLE

I guess you are even more crazy than when in the madhouse. All because when you jumped out of the window you landed upside down. And I still suppose you have some doping before you enter the forum. Tell me what is it ? Your outer color matters not much for me though to tell the truth I prefer the white skins. They are smarter and so they take most of the Nobel Prizes and I feel no superiority over them. Also they do not try to discuss which of us have bigger income or greater finger or how to fight over the web. Next time jump on your legs like the whites do. As for the economic competition I would respond with a Russian proverb ХОРОШО СМЕЕТСЯ ТОТ, КТО СМЕЕТСЯ ПОСЛЕДНИМ. In respect for you I shall not translate it - study Russian. And I don’t know why my words about the choco boy touched you this much. For Russia he is the best US president. He made you weaker and he made us stronger. We are regaining our lands and we are cleaning our country from the US instruments and agents of influence. For us he is a good stupid dystrophic but for you he is commander. If he commands a couple of years more there will be nothing to command. I am sure Russia will undermine the US but I am afraid there will be a war with no winners. And we’ll all; be as black as the oil you are talking about while the oil will be free of charge. I still suppose you are a crazy green card Albanian pusher. At least your IQ and mentallity is close to them. .

ICj, unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. A debt is a debt and has nothing to do with the Russian-Serb relations. Russia invests a lot more than 200 mill anually in Serbia.
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_12_18/Russian-investment-in-Serbian-oil-business-8361/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-14/serbia-signs-russia-loan-abu-dhabi-investment-for-growth.html
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/14/russia-serbia-relations-through-prism-of-70-years.html

@ Ari Gold

just read the following article from today on B92, which shows as well what I said in my earlier post. Amnesty International basicly says the same thing as what I have been saying all along ...
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=05&nav_id=92138

Billy Why,Texas

With my poor English I do not quite catch you but I like the mode of talking instead blaming one another. What I really mind in your post is the idea as if Russia is a lonely state. We are definitely not ! According to Gallup last month 24% of peoples worldwide saw threat in the USA and only 2% in Russia. We both know where those 2% live. Dozens of countries take Russia as a friendly state including most of our newborns. Russia is weaker from economic point but we step by step become a moral leader of the world. Many countries that are still in the American sphere of influence follow our clinch with a hope that Russia can withstand the pressure. Then many will link us openly.

I guess Putin underestimated the level of influence of the USA in Europe and the level of our dependence on the Fed controlled world financial system. Another place the US to have a temporary success is Ukraine where they managed to arrange an anti-Russian hysteria to consolidate the nation. But I never doubted that Ukraine will be Russian next spring. I guess Russia is ready to pay here a much higher price than they think in NATO. Also Russia surprised the choco-boy with our resistance in mass media. US failed to paint us black as they once did it with the Serbs then the Iraqis , the Libyans ect. What I really like is that the US has no temptation to use force against Russia. What I dislike is that both sides try to finally undermine one another.

I think you will see the South Stream project accelerate. This is how Mr Putin keeps order. Mr Vucic now has a decision to make regarding the beginning of construction

@Billy,

If you ask you shall receive!
(cry me a river, 2 November 2014 00:38)

Thank you kindly brother.

What I really mind in your post is the idea as if Russia is a lonely state. We are definitely not ! Dozens of countries take Russia as a friendly state including most of our newborns.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Really?! That's why is hard to find a single country supporting Russia's actions in Ukraine ?
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Russia is weaker from economic point but we step by step become a moral leader of the world. Many countries that are still in the American sphere of influence follow our clinch with a hope that Russia can withstand the pressure. Then many will link us openly.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Yeah, sure! Take for example the Ukrainians, Russia's Slavic brothers... Even though they are paying and are going to pay a price for defying Putin, they are willing to pay it just to avoid being aligned with Russia. Russia's moral leadership in the world is close to nil!
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Also Russia surprised the choco-boy with our resistance in mass media. US failed to paint us black as they once did it with the Serbs then the Iraqis, the Libyans ect.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Indeed, the US did not even have to paint Russia black; Russia was able to do it all by itself :)
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What I really like is that the US has no temptation to use force against Russia.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

US use force against Russia for what?!

Billy Hole

“some Russian, cheap con artist, low-life-commie-scumbag manpig called my Commander in Chief a brown boy.”

• To be correct I called him a CHOCO BOY but it makes no difference as I despise him and enjoy his fast increasing complex of inferiority. No doubt America deserves a better top commander. At least they could quite choose an American Muslim not necessarily an African one.

• Also something tells me that I earn more than some overseas swine-flu carriers. At least the minimal salaries that I pay to my personnel start from 1000 euro. Some of the Serbs here know what I mean. So with your unemployment bulletin you chose a wrong sparring partner.

“I would've slapped him …”

• It would be last idiotic things you would do on this earth. But I know the bigger is the distance the braver are the dystrophic. By the way already have one Rocky here … also very brave and also a hashishist.

"then I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me, place my boot on his face and ask "What was that you were saying?" before I saw him scurry away sniveling to his sister's for a clean pair of Y-fronts".

• ПОЛНЫЙ ПИЗД*Ц is the Russian for FULL PIZDUCTION ! I always minded hashish to be sold free and I don’t know where the B92 moderator went when you wrote your helpless abracadabra. What I liked most was that the dystrophic was first going to do all those things and only then to ask something …

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 16:34)

Serbia is the biggest and most influential country in the balcans which have been shown numerous times through the years. This has nothing to do with how influential Serbia is or isn´t, this is 100%tied to the privatization of NIS, dont comment on something that you dont have a clue about.

• Also something tells me that I earn more than some overseas swine-flu carriers. At least the minimal salaries that I pay to my personnel start from 1000 euro. Some of the Serbs here know what I mean. So with your unemployment bulletin you chose a wrong sparring partner.

Lol. You should've checked our latest unemployment #s first before you parade your envy on the web.
While you at it check the Stock Market also and the price of oil.

BTW, I think this is less boring than your Pink Floyd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGbMuBia6I

Maybe he didn’t say so but he can think so only because in Kamchatka it rises 90 minutes before Japan. I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries above 300 euro ! 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest 20% is pushed here through the local Albanians.

I wonder what kind of company you have when you dont pay tax in the country that your based in and 80%of your profit goes to Albania and Kosovo. Can it have something to do with Heroin maybe?

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

We Serbs dont have ANYTHING in common with albanians, no culture, no traidition, no history and no language unlike with the Russians.

Y-DNA markers we have

R1a1

Русские - 48
Сербы - 16

R1b1

Русские - 7
Сербы - 11

I1

Русские - 4
Сербы - 6

I2

Русские - 13
Сербы - 29

N1c1

Русские - 16
Сербы - 1

E1b1b1

Русские - 4
Сербы - 20

J2

Русские - 3
Сербы - 7

G2

Русские - 3
Сербы - 1

http://haplogroup.narod.ru/russ.html
http://haplogroup.narod.ru/celeb.html

please someone of the Albanians add your markers and we shall have a genetic picture of the relatives.

s a couple of years more there will be nothing to command. I am sure Russia will undermine the US but I am afraid there will be a war with no winners. And we’ll all; be as black as the oil you are talking about while the oil will be free of charge. I still suppose you are a crazy green card Albanian pusher. At least your IQ and mentallity is close to them. .
(rote, 4 November 2014 12:37)

I'll give you an E for effort. Besides, My mama taught me: Sticks and stones may break your bones Billy, but never let words of a fool hurt you.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMpa0A2WysE

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does
to the web, he does to himself.”
― Chief Seattle

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8i5NLyXZdc

Peggy

“The money is definitely not the reason”

• Exactly ! Especially after Putin had promised to increase the investments up to USD 10 Bln. in the years to come. And though Gazprom is very strict about the payments even inside Russia it seems that the real reason of supplies cut lies in the political sphere. And it cannot be a secret for long. I guess Russia may disapprove the middle-of-the-road politics that once was good for Yugoslavia … Anyway both sides will have explain things to their peoples as they none of them can afford such a development.


boom

“They really don't care about us if it is not in their national interest. Albania is our biggest trading partner right now … Our economic interests lie in the Balkans … ”

Sounds very Albanian. Yes Russia is interested in Serbia and not in weak Serbia when all it neighbors are united by the west to press at this country. To say nothing of the Russian mentality that has always been different and not that pragmatic as you try expose us. Also when you write that Albania is Serbia’s “biggest partner” you should add “and biggest rival”. As for the economist interests they definitely are not in the poorest part of the continent but where the cash money live while Russia is one of such places. Hope you are a Serb.

Billie-Hole



PS I've also read you message to the Albanians to be finally sure that you have mental problems. But don’t you worry because if you go on spitting this way I’ll improve your brains very soon. It will further hurt your complex of inferiority but your brains will be OK. First go and wash you ***hole as this is the way you will taking your pills in. Hope it is white.

@Ari Gold

You clearly suffer from confirmation bias. It is the epidemic of the Balkans.
Look for more independent info out there and challenge your brain a little.
Have you spent most of your time on Milosevic’s payroll and are now unemployed?
I got a job for you if you are motivated. Your English is good, so I would expect your logic and argumentation to be above the average Serb.
Why are you then here pandering to nationalistic propaganda?
Albania is a separate country , it did not take Kosovo from Serbia, actually Albania has zero influence to what happens in Kosovo. The truth is that no one had heard of Kosovo until Slobo drove 2 million people out of the province. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Do you have any evidence about the 50 houses burned down?
Why are you leaving out the Albanians businesses we vandalized inside our own country?
Is visual or verbal provocation a reason for physical violence in a civilized society in your opinion?
The fact that UEFA gave us the victory shows how well disposed the European opinion is toward us despite all we did in our recent history and how bad the Albania’s reputation is in Europe.
Had we done this to another country like Italy or France (beating up the players) no matter how big the provocation, we would be expelled immediately from the championship.
Remember when Zidane hit Materazzi on the field, he got the red card no matter how big the provocation was.

Head & Shoulders – 3 in 1 big ***hole :


1/ boom
2/ are you for real ?
3/ Billy Why,Texas


http://myzuka.ru/Song/2135231/Pink-Floyd-Pigs-On-The-Wing-1

boom, 2

I see no point to discuss what you say :

1/ Albanians are closer and more friendly to the Serbs.
2/ Russia is a poor and greedy country that cannot help Serbia.
3/ Without investments you are going to beat the Albanians.

There’s only one thing I would like to ask you. Is there anything that I missed here ? Maybe B92 opened a championship for the most idiotic post ? Then you are second after Billy Big Hole from the Dixieland but you are one step ahead of “Are You for Real”. Good Luck ! Only please note that from the beginning I insisted that Albanians and Serbs are very important to one another. In any case they can either block their ways to prosperity or open it. So I don’t know how can you compare the Russians and the Albanians ? Why not Russians and the Mongolians or Bengalis ? Those are different dimensions don’t you know ? Or maybe with your goods you also sold part of your heart to the Albanians ? I am happy if the things run well even if you are an Albanian in fact but what has it to do with Russia or Russian oligarchs ? Why Albonauts are so worried about Russia ? What if you get up from your knees first ? And you do not know what it is to be free in a free country. The only free country on the continent …

@rote said:

“Russia is the state of the rising sun”

Maybe he didn’t say so but he can think so only because in Kamchatka it rises 90 minutes before Japan. I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries above 300 euro ! 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest 20% is pushed here through the local Albanians. I have been in Albania on several business trips last month and don’t find them to be different from us. Just some slang differences. But our lifestyle and mentality is closer to Albanians in Pristina than Tirana. I worked in Russia for 5 years cleaning toilets so I know what I am talking about and it is not pretty.

Bismilla-hi Rahman ur-Rahim !

boom-scanderbeg


After you confessed here that 80% of your sales go to the Albanians abroad and 20% to the local ones you may put your advice to the nearest hole you will find.

Why arn't people imigrating to Russia when it is so wonderful, why arn't refugees trying to go there? They certainly prefer to go and live in places like Western Europe, EU, or North America. All the stupid talk about Russia overtaking the west and the end of the EU is redicules, and shows how dumb and brainwashed you guys are.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

Nazi dinosaur, nobody has a problem with Western society. Serbs seamlessly integrate into Western society without any problem at all. This can't be said for mass Muslim immigration into Europe. What Serbs have problems with is the racist and imperialist policy your governments have towards Serbia and the Balkans. But the thing is, most ordinary Germans, Americans, Brits etc. do not share the kind of venomous, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred that your governments and you Nazi dinosaur share towards Serbia.

It wont be Russia that destroys the EU. The EU is doing a much better job at that by themselves. The status-quo and further "integration" and "harmonization" between EU memberstates is all that is needed for the EU to fall apart. It's literally happening before our very eyes, old man. If you cannot see it, maybe you are getting senile.

@(boom, 6 November 2014 17:44)

Thanks Boom, and I fully agree with you. I am aware of the fact that Ari Gold and alike do not represent what Serbs feel like and how they think, but also know that Serbia never went though a reflective cleansing process like we did after the war. This is desperatly needed, and the political elite as well as the media so far failed to get this process started. THE same applies to Kosovo as well as all other Balkan countries, but in Serbia this problem is the worst. As long as governments in the Balkans play the nationalistic card things won't get any better, but as I said, Serbia tops them all.
It could all be so much easier if these politicians and the media would look at the way handled that subject in Germany. I am not saying that it was perfect, but we at least were able to make sure that 95% or more of the population realze what really happened during the horrible Nazi nightmare, what was done in the name of GErmany to innocent people all over Europe. For as long as that is not achieved in the Balkans future wars can not be ruled out, and that makes it worth to even put up with all the tasteless personal attacks.

bussines is bussines..hopefully most of you one day understand we say no money no honey no mater who you are so Balkan its 24 years since abrakadabra happen WHAT REALLY YOU DID WITH YOUR LIFES!!!??? OH i forget one thing Balkan is the BEST HATING or most of you says KILL this or KILL that in neighbour in front of the world camera and other's laughing on you as idiots...cheers....

The real news here is not that Russia asking for payment for a product, that is normal even between brothers, but that the Serbian government is broke and can't even pay for heating.

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount but there is a reason and just maybe Serbia is making bad decisions regarding the west. Sometimes you have to smack a child when all else fails.
(Peggy, 31 October 2014 23:24)
Wow Peggy, one would think you were a very wise person to think of this, the only problem is that with the tone of your post you think it is proper. So you would rather see Serbs from Serbia to live their life in servitude to Russia than the life you live. Interesting!

(Kent Prince, 3 November 2014 08:44)
Curious, does your brother also expect you to pay more for gas from his station than all your neighbors pay???

Albania did not go to war with any of its neighbors that I know of, yet we did with Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Kosovo, you name it. Is it their fault?

First of stop acting like a Serb when your not. Second Serbia didnt go to war with Bosnia or Croatia it was bosnian and croatian Serbs that fought there. In Slovenia JNA intervened and Serb forces intervened in Kosovo which isnt a neighboor only to fight KLA terrorist. You do remember that the KLA were listed as a terrorist organization by the CIA right? Last but not least Albanians did attack Macedonia and southern Serbia (Presevo) and yes got their asses kicked once again.

@Willi Pfaff
Not all Serbs are like Ari Gold, raute, icj, peggy etc. who are die hard Milosevic fans.
But we have many, and our society is very polarized and fragile because most Serbs still believe that we were victims of history and didn’t do anything wrong at all. This is made worse by the economic situation.
Our media never shows anything but injustices done to us. We never went through the same soul searching Germany went after WWII , and fascist nationalism is still alive and prospering here.
Nationalist Serbs consider Albanians worse than animals, this way our crimes in Kosovo look less horrible.
It frightens me that in the current atmosphere, another Milosevic might come along and destroy our country for good. It frightens me even more when English speaking Serbs don not have a more developed argument than the blind nationalistic propaganda.
That is why it is so important to develop economic ties as the only hope to bring lasting peace to the region. Not only our economic situation will improve, but we will get to know each other and will discover that after all we are much more alike than different.
Reminds me of this joke of an Italian and German guy fighting over who is better Goethe or Dante, and after they beat each other to death, just before dying, the Italian guy says : I don’t regret dying for Dante , I just wish I had read him. Well the German says, I never read Gothe either. So it goes between Serb and Albanians.

ICj, unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. A debt is a debt and has nothing to do with the Russian-Serb relations.
(Daniel, 4 November 2014 16:55)

Who told you I disagree with what you stated above?! I've said for a long time that like all international relations, the relations between Russia and Serbia are also based on interests; there is no "friendship" or "brotherhood" in international relations - there are only interests and a debt is a debt that needs to be paid.

Unfortunately, the most patriotic of Serbs in these forums had a different and more romantic view of the Russia-Serbia relations. But it is great to see that now even the most patriotic of Serbs finally embraced the view that debt is debt despite the so-called "brotherhood". Apparently the most patriotic of Serbs would rather have Serbia pay $200M than voice any sort of discontent for Russia - and, yes, I do mean "the most patriotic of SERBS" :)

My brother may own a gas station but if I take his petrol/ gas, he expects to be paid on the spot not months or years down the track.

Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 14:05)

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out. Our relations are very divisive and they cannot be spoiled by any company or any top of the two states. Best if you stop dreaming of it or as the Russians say - НЕ ДОЖДЕТЕСЬ ! After WW2 even the two really grate Joes have failed to destroy the brotherhood that scares you so much. If you think that Putin can afford such a development you are a dreamer. To say nothing of the reaction of common Russians it would be quite irrational of him to lose our only ally in the region. So forget it and better search for a better job. As I know Pristina taxists earn not much because of the big offer. Meanwhile we’ll settle our problems by ourselves as БЕЗ СОПЛИВЫХ СКОЛЬЗКО !

What I think is that USD 200 Mln. is not the sum Russia and Serbia will spoil their relations for. There must be something that we don’t know yet. Also I know that every Russian consumer to stop the payments will be cut from the pipe in a month. So I prefer to wait for the details before making any judgments. Yes it is a political step so the final solution was by Putin. But don’t forget that we have Energy Minister of the Serbian origin and he must be one of the few who gives recommendations to Putin. Also I think the moment is not good for hiding the problem because of the long lasting Russian-EU talks over the transit and the USD 5,3 Bln. that Ukraine already owes Gazprom. The problem has no good solutions because Ukraine is a bankrupt state. They will take gas for USD 385 per cubic meter while their internal price for the consumers remains USD 90 … Meanwhile Russia took a tough position and it may look as double standards if we close our eyes at the Serbian debt. Well I don’t know what’s going on and I hate to speculate over the things that are outside of my understanding. So I prefer to wait for the mist to go …

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount but there is a reason and just maybe Serbia is making bad decisions regarding the west. Sometimes you have to smack a child when all else fails.

hahahaha, there you have it, Serbia's best fried in the whole wide world cuts the gas supply. What if EU would start acting the same way whenever Serbia doesn't want to act the way they want. there would be an outcry here about the barbaric methods of the West, the devils trying to bancrupt Serbia, etc ....

hahaha I like these "sources." This is just propaganda.

This is not the real issue, bet on it!! Two hundred million is peanuts if you consider Russia's wealth and energy resources. In addition, Serbia is the only friend Russia has in the Balkans. Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.

Billy Why,Texas

With my poor English I do not quite catch you but I like the mode of talking instead blaming one another. What I really mind in your post is the idea as if Russia is a lonely state. We are definitely not ! According to Gallup last month 24% of peoples worldwide saw threat in the USA and only 2% in Russia. We both know where those 2% live. Dozens of countries take Russia as a friendly state including most of our newborns. Russia is weaker from economic point but we step by step become a moral leader of the world. Many countries that are still in the American sphere of influence follow our clinch with a hope that Russia can withstand the pressure. Then many will link us openly.

I guess Putin underestimated the level of influence of the USA in Europe and the level of our dependence on the Fed controlled world financial system. Another place the US to have a temporary success is Ukraine where they managed to arrange an anti-Russian hysteria to consolidate the nation. But I never doubted that Ukraine will be Russian next spring. I guess Russia is ready to pay here a much higher price than they think in NATO. Also Russia surprised the choco-boy with our resistance in mass media. US failed to paint us black as they once did it with the Serbs then the Iraqis , the Libyans ect. What I really like is that the US has no temptation to use force against Russia. What I dislike is that both sides try to finally undermine one another.

This is not the real issue, bet on it!! Two hundred million is peanuts if you consider Russia's wealth and energy resources. In addition, Serbia is the only friend Russia has in the Balkans. Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.
(ivan, 31 October 2014 15:05)

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 16:34)

That depends on how you want to twist what I've mentioned. I never said Serbia's influence in the Balkans A***hole! I said Russia's influence in the Balkans. Like rote said, what is it to you albos anyway. We don't need your two cents.

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out. Our relations are very divisive and they cannot be spoiled by any company or any top of the two states. Best if you stop dreaming of it or as the Russians say - НЕ ДОЖДЕТЕСЬ !

(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15

Such a big tough keyboard warrior! and even able to make threats in Russian! I bet you have him shaking for fear of you releasing your poison, Go back to Russia little man, Putin needs you for his conquering army.
Putin has helped Russia bounce back but it is still no match for US forces. Any nukes he launches will be countered from several sources.
Do you really think the price of oil has dropped as a fluke. That is your power base and without it you are nothing.
You think anyone is worried about the Russian-Serbian relations?? Get real. It is obvious that Russia has used the Kosovo issue to bilk what it can from Serbia, and Putin will wipe the crumbs off the table if they do not remember their place and that is down on the floor not seated at the table. The 28% reduction in gas is just the tip of the iceberg should Serbia not cough up more assets while Russia is struggle for cash flow.

hahaha and Serbs still think Russians are our brothers.

During the Yugoslav wars, Russia and Soviet Union did not even lift a finger, they did not even veto 1 UN resolution in the 10 year period. Serbs should know that the Russians were the main backers for the Kumanovo treaty and the only reason Slobo caved in was because he lost support from Russia, which is ironic seeing as Serbia was being attacked because it is considered "little Russia". Thanks for the help guys!

And what the hell does this albino Putin expect from us anyways? He knows Serbian is a puppet regime set up by NATO. Continuing to lose Serb support is Russia digging its own little grave haha!

Peggy

“The money is definitely not the reason”

• Exactly ! Especially after Putin had promised to increase the investments up to USD 10 Bln. in the years to come. And though Gazprom is very strict about the payments even inside Russia it seems that the real reason of supplies cut lies in the political sphere. And it cannot be a secret for long. I guess Russia may disapprove the middle-of-the-road politics that once was good for Yugoslavia … Anyway both sides will have explain things to their peoples as they none of them can afford such a development.


boom

“They really don't care about us if it is not in their national interest. Albania is our biggest trading partner right now … Our economic interests lie in the Balkans … ”

Sounds very Albanian. Yes Russia is interested in Serbia and not in weak Serbia when all it neighbors are united by the west to press at this country. To say nothing of the Russian mentality that has always been different and not that pragmatic as you try expose us. Also when you write that Albania is Serbia’s “biggest partner” you should add “and biggest rival”. As for the economist interests they definitely are not in the poorest part of the continent but where the cash money live while Russia is one of such places. Hope you are a Serb.

(boom, 31 October 2014 23:19)

How is Putins visit to Serbia in any way tied to the rabid behavior of Albanian ultra nationalists and provocative messages (I'd call them warnings), right in the middle of Belgrade? I believe those two things are completely separate issues. The drone is just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to Albanian violence as more than 50 Serbian homes have been vandalized or in some cases burned to the ground only since the drone provocation. You must have your head buried in the sand.

As far Russia goes, there are obviously cultural and religious ties there with the Russian nation that will always exist. However no government on this planet is a "brother" or "friend" to Serbia, Russia included. Everyone is out for their own selfish interests. The Russian government wants gas payments, the EU wants "harmonization" of foreign and internal policies that match the dictat and demands of the Brussels unelected central planners.

Both are pretty unfriendly, I guess. But Moscow wanting payments on what is owed seems a little more reasonable than what the EU demands. Maybe Vucic's new Western friends can pay war reparations to Serbia for the illegal and immoral bombardment in the 1990s and that can be used to pay off the Russians. Problem solved.

WOW
Putin is getting very cheap ... Think about it after clicking the following link.
http://rt.com/business/172020-russia-cuba-debt-writeoff/

Rote,

I went to this here "prayer gathering" http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/202536-player-gathering-houston-tx-18feb13/page__st__240 and I met me some super cool Serbs with whom I still keep in touch.
One them was pretty witty and funny so we hit it off right away and bonded. I told him that I started posting
on B92 awhile back to comfort Serbs and to teach and demonstrate the power of truth without wavering in all aspects of life, including politics, CNN's evil brand of journalism, and the Catholic church.

I asked him if he had any funny Serb material that I might could use to tickle some ribs while I sneak in few words of the Good News, and I was kindly obliged. Going through the list and searching for the one that would best represent your little "chest out-belly in" idol, I came up with this one: Putin has a soul the size of a spider's texticles.

"Chest out-belly in . . . a nation capable of this injunction as a general rule is in great danger," . . .
I read that on page 17, in "Hara The Vital Centre of Man", by Karlfried Graf Durckheim.

I recommend this book to all Albanians and Russians, especially to their leaders, as the two of you are about to be the two loneliest countries on the planet, along with North Korea, with no friends as immediate neighbors or any kind of friends and neighbors. Isolation is a bitch, and promotes rot in the minds of both young and old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdI2xPHw_k

I AM SO POPULAR TODAY !

GTFO. There is no conflict in the world that you Russians don't stick your noses but somehow you don't like it when others mention your problems. Hypocrites. (Mark, 31 October 2014 21:01)

CAN YOU PLEASE LIST THE CONFLICTS WHERE OUR INVOLVEMENT WAS NEGATIVE

1/
2/
3/
ECT.


Lenard

НЕ ТВОЕ ХОРВАТСКОЕ ДЕЛО or just tell me where the Serbs would be today should they follow the advice from you or the Albanian chorus ?

What I think is that USD 200 Mln. is not the sum Russia and Serbia will spoil their relations for. There must be something that we don’t know yet. Also I know that every Russian consumer to stop the payments will be cut from the pipe in a month. So I prefer to wait for the details before making any judgments. Yes it is a political step so the final solution was by Putin. But don’t forget that we have Energy Minister of the Serbian origin and he must be one of the few who gives recommendations to Putin. Also I think the moment is not good for hiding the problem because of the long lasting Russian-EU talks over the transit and the USD 5,3 Bln. that Ukraine already owes Gazprom. The problem has no good solutions because Ukraine is a bankrupt state. They will take gas for USD 385 per cubic meter while their internal price for the consumers remains USD 90 … Meanwhile Russia took a tough position and it may look as double standards if we close our eyes at the Serbian debt. Well I don’t know what’s going on and I hate to speculate over the things that are outside of my understanding.
(rote, 31 October 2014 12:40)

I'm not sure what the rambling above exactly means, but one thing is sure that according to a certain rote http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=91939#k417618 the relations between Russia and Serbia developed under other logic. Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!

Well it looks like you Serbs did not kiss Putins ass enough and he is very upset. I hope you learned your lessons next time more ass kissing and graveling when you overlord Putin comes for a homage visit. My advice make a new ministry of ass kissing and graveling. Start practising so next time you will be perfect and Putini will be gedious with joy. All thow presidents Tomislav Nikolić did change the dates of some celebration to suit Putin when he came. Nikolić should run that ministry he has wealth of experience.

"In August, the Ministry of Interior set up a working group to review of the sale of the Oil Industry of Serbia (NIS) to the Russian company Gazprom Neft."

Late, but better than never. I hope the secret deals will finally be unveiled to the public. Everyone with a sane mind knows that there must have been some other reason to sell NIS for some peanuts without a transparent public tender to Gazprom and people who benefited from this deal.

P.S: Good old proverb: When it comes to money, friendship ends. This goes for Serbia just like for Ukraine.

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15

GTFO. There is no conflict in the world that you Russians don't stick your noses but somehow you don't like it when others mention your problems. Hypocrites.

May be the US senator was right when he said that Putin left Serbia disappointed.

Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.
(Avni, 31 October 2014 19:20)

For once you are 110% right!!! Somebody out there please shake this young Albanian's hand for me.

Y-DNA markers we have

R1a1

Русские - 48
Сербы - 16

R1b1

Русские - 7
Сербы - 11

I1

Русские - 4
Сербы - 6

I2

Русские - 13
Сербы - 29

N1c1

Русские - 16
Сербы - 1

E1b1b1

Русские - 4
Сербы - 20

J2

Русские - 3
Сербы - 7

G2

Русские - 3
Сербы - 1

http://haplogroup.narod.ru/russ.html
http://haplogroup.narod.ru/celeb.html

please someone of the Albanians add your markers and we shall have a genetic picture of the relatives.

Sources here in Italy tells the main truth...
All in the Serbian governament share the same opinion about the privatization of NIS...IT WAS NOT DONE IN Serbia's interest ..

Moderators, please post both pages or neither. Rote knows that I frequent this forum and he chose to insult my
President and other African Americans. P.S. Let him bring it to me, as I can handle the best of them when they
insult my Chief, whom I happen to like and respect very much. Thank you.
BW

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Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.
(Avni, 31 October 2014 19:20)

Avni, I've looked deep into your writings here on b92 and I saw your soul, and it's good. And so is Nikolle's,
Mirel's, ICJ's, Ian's, and many other Albanians that I've insulted with some of my cruel, insensitive jokes. It was my intention to reveal truths by poking fun at my subjects. We all need to learn to see our own shortcomings, and learn to laugh at ourselves. When we do, it's a lot easier to forgive ourselves, and others as well. This life is not to be taken so seriously. The challenge is to stay positive and to continue to love one another even when things appear hopeless.

The Truth:

I cannot emphasize enough my liking and respect for your president Jahjaga. Looking at photos of her breaks my heart when I see the pain in her posture and her eyes. Regarding Thaci, I've walked in his shoes many times, and I don't see myself as a lesser sinner than him.
I would like to take this opportunity to ask for forgiveness from those that I've hurt and insulted during our exchanges, as it would benefit us greatly beyond our understanding. And I would also like to take this opportunity to let you know, that for reasons I can't mention here, you Albanians have a special, permanent place in my heart.

For every person that dies as a result of Putin cutting off gas supplies, he should be tried on manslaughter charges.

(boom, 2 November 2014 16:27)

So you who are claiming to be Serbian on the internet offers understanding for the rabid Albanian violence against the Serbian population on your unproven, ridiculous belief that "Slobo drove 2 million Albanians out of Kosovo"

a.) There have never been 2 million Albanians ever living in Kosovo-Metohija, though since 1945 the communist gov't allowed in hundreds of thousands and gave them money to build/buy houses.

b.) Serbia would have never had the capacity to deport that many people.

In fact, not even the anti-Serbian Hague Tribunal has accused Serbia of such a crime. No, the only time such hysteria was ever fabricated was on CNN and BBC in order to drive Western opinion into supporting the illegal and immoral bombardment.

In Bosnia Western media said a million Muslims were being slaughtered by "Serbian thugs" to get the demonization campaign going. The Hague says 100, 000 total civilians were killed about 67, 000 of those being Bosnian Muslims and not even all of them were at the hands of Serbs. Croats fought for independence in Bosnia too.

What was said about Serbs in the 90s were complete and deliberate lies. The people telling the lies know full well too. The other sides were no boy scouts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8
http://leejaywalker.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bosnian-mujahedins3.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XW4YN_lolYA/RzleTtbQO2I/AAAAAAAAAYE/SXz8YG_A_Hg/s400/Jasenovac11.jpg

boom, 2

I see no point to discuss what you say :

1/ Albanians are closer and more friendly to the Serbs.
2/ Russia is a poor and greedy country that cannot help Serbia.
3/ Without investments you are going to beat the Albanians.

There’s only one thing I would like to ask you. Is there anything that I missed here ? Maybe B92 opened a championship for the most idiotic post ? Then you are second after Billy Big Hole from the Dixieland but you are one step ahead of “Are You for Real”. Good Luck ! Only please note that from the beginning I insisted that Albanians and Serbs are very important to one another. In any case they can either block their ways to prosperity or open it. So I don’t know how can you compare the Russians and the Albanians ? Why not Russians and the Mongolians or Bengalis ? Those are different dimensions don’t you know ? Or maybe with your goods you also sold part of your heart to the Albanians ? I am happy if the things run well even if you are an Albanian in fact but what has it to do with Russia or Russian oligarchs ? Why Albonauts are so worried about Russia ? What if you get up from your knees first ? And you do not know what it is to be free in a free country. The only free country on the continent …

TEXAS ***HOLE

I guess you are even more crazy than when in the madhouse. All because when you jumped out of the window you landed upside down. And I still suppose you have some doping before you enter the forum. Tell me what is it ? Your outer color matters not much for me though to tell the truth I prefer the white skins. They are smarter and so they take most of the Nobel Prizes and I feel no superiority over them. Also they do not try to discuss which of us have bigger income or greater finger or how to fight over the web. Next time jump on your legs like the whites do. As for the economic competition I would respond with a Russian proverb ХОРОШО СМЕЕТСЯ ТОТ, КТО СМЕЕТСЯ ПОСЛЕДНИМ. In respect for you I shall not translate it - study Russian. And I don’t know why my words about the choco boy touched you this much. For Russia he is the best US president. He made you weaker and he made us stronger. We are regaining our lands and we are cleaning our country from the US instruments and agents of influence. For us he is a good stupid dystrophic but for you he is commander. If he commands a couple of years more there will be nothing to command. I am sure Russia will undermine the US but I am afraid there will be a war with no winners. And we’ll all; be as black as the oil you are talking about while the oil will be free of charge. I still suppose you are a crazy green card Albanian pusher. At least your IQ and mentallity is close to them. .

It was the Tadic government not the Kostunica government that negotiated NIS deal with Russians without external advisors and in a non-competitive process. Kostunica government privatisation of NIS was to be in a competitive tender process run by an International bank.

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount...
(Peggy, 31 October 2014 23:24)

Well, with the Ruble collapsing to the lowest in almost two decades (unfortunately, even the almighty Putin can't just issue an order to fix that), any source of foreign currency is important for Russia...

boom-scanderbeg


After you confessed here that 80% of your sales go to the Albanians abroad and 20% to the local ones you may put your advice to the nearest hole you will find.

Serbs gave Putin a medal and he did this to Serbs. No good.

Russia has written off a bigger sum with Cuba only to have its presence in the area. Russia's relation with Serbia is worth a ton of money more than the $200 million. It's to Russia's advantage that Serbia lean towards the east. Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.
(ivan

Russia wrote off 90% of the said debt according to the link a fellow poster provided. Since Russia's economy is in the toilet someone has to pay for this write-off.
I'm sure it won't be the 'brotherly Serbs'.

Vucic has to make Russia an enemy for Serbia to be in eu and that's what Vucic has done. His extreme humiliation of putin during his visit was great for eu in Serbia but bad for Russia Giving Serbia special treatment. Parade does not make up for eu aspiration.

@rote,

You're right. The Russians have proven themselves to be lethal with poison. I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to use it on someone.

We have to be way more pragmatic here as a nation. Russia maybe our big brother but that is just in name. They really don't care about us if it is not in their national interest.
I protested when we royally welcomed Putin in Belgrade and made a huge deal over a stupid football match with Albania by postponing their's prime minister visit.
Our trade with Albania is 30% bigger than what we trade with Russia. Actually, like it or not but Albania is our biggest trading partner right now.
It is time for us to open our eyes and see that economic ties and trade only will improve our daily life, pandering to Putin might make us feel good but it wont bring food on the table. Our relation with Russia is only special when it suits the Russian interests. Our economic interests lie in the Balkans with our neighbors, lets develop them and leave behind the nationalistic bitterness.

bussines is bussines..hopefully most of you one day understand we say no money no honey no mater who you are so Balkan its 24 years since abrakadabra happen WHAT REALLY YOU DID WITH YOUR LIFES!!!??? OH i forget one thing Balkan is the BEST HATING or most of you says KILL this or KILL that in neighbour in front of the world camera and other's laughing on you as idiots...cheers....

That depends on how you want to twist what I've mentioned. I never said Serbia's influence in the Balkans A***hole! I said Russia's influence in the Balkans. Like rote said, what is it to you albos anyway. We don't need your two cents.
(ivan, 31 October 2014 20:04)

I understand that you are irritated due to this rude awakening by Russia of all of those naive people having a romantic view of the Russia-Serbia relations, but don't loose the lucidity in your thoughts :)

You said "Should Russia repel its friendship with Serbia ,and should Serbia lean towards the west, it would be detrimental to Russia as it would lose all influence in the Balkans, and that my friends, is worth more than $200 million.". The above means that you believe that Serbia has influence in the Balkans, otherwise your statement above is meaningless!!!

Up to you to decide which statement of yours is meaningless; that one on 31 October 2014 20:04 or the one on October 2014 15:05 lol

It’s not your Albanian business what we do or not. It’s our family issue. So stop peeping if you not want me to let my poison out.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

You are correct. That's why I abstained from expressing any opinion but just referred to a certain rote (who, I assume, is not an Albanian) who argued http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=91939#k417618 that the relations between Russia and Serbia developed under other logic. Those were relations of brothers who do not count money or aid or even blood shed. Shame on Russia!
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After WW2 even the two really grate Joes have failed to destroy the brotherhood that scares you so much.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

That so-called "brotherhood" is a blessing for the Albanians. Imagine if Serbia had been in brotherhood with the EU or the US; the 1999 bombing would have never happened and Kosovo would still be under Serbia today.
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If you think that Putin can afford such a development you are a dreamer. To say nothing of the reaction of common Russians it would be quite irrational of him to lose our only ally in the region.
(rote, 31 October 2014 17:15)

Are you calling Putin stupid now?! Actually what he is doing makes perfect sense. I understand Serbs' dreams of grandeur like thinking themselves as being the most important country in the Balkans and bla, bla, bla, but obviously Putin does not think so and believes that having an ally like Serbia in the region is worthless!

@Ari Gold

You clearly suffer from confirmation bias. It is the epidemic of the Balkans.
Look for more independent info out there and challenge your brain a little.
Have you spent most of your time on Milosevic’s payroll and are now unemployed?
I got a job for you if you are motivated. Your English is good, so I would expect your logic and argumentation to be above the average Serb.
Why are you then here pandering to nationalistic propaganda?
Albania is a separate country , it did not take Kosovo from Serbia, actually Albania has zero influence to what happens in Kosovo. The truth is that no one had heard of Kosovo until Slobo drove 2 million people out of the province. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Do you have any evidence about the 50 houses burned down?
Why are you leaving out the Albanians businesses we vandalized inside our own country?
Is visual or verbal provocation a reason for physical violence in a civilized society in your opinion?
The fact that UEFA gave us the victory shows how well disposed the European opinion is toward us despite all we did in our recent history and how bad the Albania’s reputation is in Europe.
Had we done this to another country like Italy or France (beating up the players) no matter how big the provocation, we would be expelled immediately from the championship.
Remember when Zidane hit Materazzi on the field, he got the red card no matter how big the provocation was.

Head & Shoulders – 3 in 1 big ***hole :


1/ boom
2/ are you for real ?
3/ Billy Why,Texas


http://myzuka.ru/Song/2135231/Pink-Floyd-Pigs-On-The-Wing-1

@ ari gold
I comment on this forum as I expect the level of the people reading here to be higher than on the serb language version where it makes me sick to read how the majority of my people think about the neighbors. Albania did not go to war with any of its neighbors that I know of, yet we did with Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Kosovo, you name it. Is it their fault?

I am disappointed that I wasted 30 seconds of my time reading your gibberish.
I wish b92 would put an ignore button next to recommend so I can click it and ignore you in the future.

Albania did not go to war with any of its neighbors that I know of, yet we did with Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Kosovo, you name it. Is it their fault?

First of stop acting like a Serb when your not. Second Serbia didnt go to war with Bosnia or Croatia it was bosnian and croatian Serbs that fought there. In Slovenia JNA intervened and Serb forces intervened in Kosovo which isnt a neighboor only to fight KLA terrorist. You do remember that the KLA were listed as a terrorist organization by the CIA right? Last but not least Albanians did attack Macedonia and southern Serbia (Presevo) and yes got their asses kicked once again.

@ Rote

Billie-Hole



PS I've also read you message to the Albanians to be finally sure that you have mental problems. But don’t you worry because if you go on spitting this way I’ll improve your brains very soon. It will further hurt your complex of inferiority but your brains will be OK. First go and wash you ***hole as this is the way you will taking your pills in. Hope it is white.
(rote, 2 November 2014 14:52)

Now at least I know that you're not a Russian she. Your short last sentence is telling to me from what I see
here in the States. It's also telling to me now why the likes of you hate Americans of color so much.
Not sure if your tennis coach's hate for Americans of color is the same as yours. Usually some of our rednecks can't stand them because they envy their size, and the fact that they go out with their most beautiful white daughters.
I am also now convinced about your sexual preference. The fact that you constantly use the words complex and
complex of inferiority is telling me that you are the one with the complex of inferiority, desperately trying to mask it (Psych 100).
I'm finding your profile pretty easy to put together, wouldn't you say???

Regarding my message to the Albanians, you read just the tip of it.

P.S. Now that I know your sexual orientation, mebbe I can teach you how to walk and talk properly for me, that is, after I teach you how to behave properly around Long Horn Texans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyj4ciJk34

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

We Serbs dont have ANYTHING in common with albanians, no culture, no traidition, no history and no language unlike with the Russians.

Why arn't people imigrating to Russia when it is so wonderful, why arn't refugees trying to go there? They certainly prefer to go and live in places like Western Europe, EU, or North America. All the stupid talk about Russia overtaking the west and the end of the EU is redicules, and shows how dumb and brainwashed you guys are.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

Nazi dinosaur, nobody has a problem with Western society. Serbs seamlessly integrate into Western society without any problem at all. This can't be said for mass Muslim immigration into Europe. What Serbs have problems with is the racist and imperialist policy your governments have towards Serbia and the Balkans. But the thing is, most ordinary Germans, Americans, Brits etc. do not share the kind of venomous, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred that your governments and you Nazi dinosaur share towards Serbia.

It wont be Russia that destroys the EU. The EU is doing a much better job at that by themselves. The status-quo and further "integration" and "harmonization" between EU memberstates is all that is needed for the EU to fall apart. It's literally happening before our very eyes, old man. If you cannot see it, maybe you are getting senile.

@Billy,

If you ask you shall receive!

What I really mind in your post is the idea as if Russia is a lonely state. We are definitely not ! Dozens of countries take Russia as a friendly state including most of our newborns.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Really?! That's why is hard to find a single country supporting Russia's actions in Ukraine ?
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Russia is weaker from economic point but we step by step become a moral leader of the world. Many countries that are still in the American sphere of influence follow our clinch with a hope that Russia can withstand the pressure. Then many will link us openly.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Yeah, sure! Take for example the Ukrainians, Russia's Slavic brothers... Even though they are paying and are going to pay a price for defying Putin, they are willing to pay it just to avoid being aligned with Russia. Russia's moral leadership in the world is close to nil!
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Also Russia surprised the choco-boy with our resistance in mass media. US failed to paint us black as they once did it with the Serbs then the Iraqis, the Libyans ect.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

Indeed, the US did not even have to paint Russia black; Russia was able to do it all by itself :)
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What I really like is that the US has no temptation to use force against Russia.
(rote, 1 November 2014 10:59)

US use force against Russia for what?!

Billy Hole

“some Russian, cheap con artist, low-life-commie-scumbag manpig called my Commander in Chief a brown boy.”

• To be correct I called him a CHOCO BOY but it makes no difference as I despise him and enjoy his fast increasing complex of inferiority. No doubt America deserves a better top commander. At least they could quite choose an American Muslim not necessarily an African one.

• Also something tells me that I earn more than some overseas swine-flu carriers. At least the minimal salaries that I pay to my personnel start from 1000 euro. Some of the Serbs here know what I mean. So with your unemployment bulletin you chose a wrong sparring partner.

“I would've slapped him …”

• It would be last idiotic things you would do on this earth. But I know the bigger is the distance the braver are the dystrophic. By the way already have one Rocky here … also very brave and also a hashishist.

"then I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me, place my boot on his face and ask "What was that you were saying?" before I saw him scurry away sniveling to his sister's for a clean pair of Y-fronts".

• ПОЛНЫЙ ПИЗД*Ц is the Russian for FULL PIZDUCTION ! I always minded hashish to be sold free and I don’t know where the B92 moderator went when you wrote your helpless abracadabra. What I liked most was that the dystrophic was first going to do all those things and only then to ask something …

Billie-Hole



PS I've also read you message to the Albanians to be finally sure that you have mental problems. But don’t you worry because if you go on spitting this way I’ll improve your brains very soon. It will further hurt your complex of inferiority but your brains will be OK. First go and wash you ***hole as this is the way you will taking your pills in. Hope it is white.

The money is definitely not the reason. It's way too small an amount but there is a reason and just maybe Serbia is making bad decisions regarding the west. Sometimes you have to smack a child when all else fails.
(Peggy, 31 October 2014 23:24)
Wow Peggy, one would think you were a very wise person to think of this, the only problem is that with the tone of your post you think it is proper. So you would rather see Serbs from Serbia to live their life in servitude to Russia than the life you live. Interesting!

Exactly, all your said above proves that by cutting gas supplies for $200 million even Russia shows how insignificant Serbia is in the Balkans and that Serbia has no influence in the Balkans worth for Russia to even help with $200 million. Sorry mate for Russia shattering your dreams of grandeur!
(icj1, 31 October 2014 16:34)

Serbia is the biggest and most influential country in the balcans which have been shown numerous times through the years. This has nothing to do with how influential Serbia is or isn´t, this is 100%tied to the privatization of NIS, dont comment on something that you dont have a clue about.

@ Rote

It would be last idiotic things you would do on this earth. But I know the bigger is the distance the braver are the dystrophic. By the way already have one Rocky here … also very brave and also a hashishist.
********
"(T)hen I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me. . ."

I see that you didn't like your funny Pravda's quote above with the Y-fronts that was addressed to the Australians.

Big distance small distance close up, the guarantee stands. Whether it would be the last thing I did or not, that wouldn't be for you to decide.

P.S. I hope that you've noticed that for all these years I've never insulted Russians or their leaders until you chose not only to insult my President, but all the people of color.

P.S.S. Go to church and light a candle and thank the Lord for B92's intervention of my posts, otherwise, you might could of had a brain aneurysm or a major anxiety attack. Not only today, but every time you heard or read the names Billy and Texas.

@rote said:

“Russia is the state of the rising sun”

Maybe he didn’t say so but he can think so only because in Kamchatka it rises 90 minutes before Japan. I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries above 300 euro ! 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest 20% is pushed here through the local Albanians. I have been in Albania on several business trips last month and don’t find them to be different from us. Just some slang differences. But our lifestyle and mentality is closer to Albanians in Pristina than Tirana. I worked in Russia for 5 years cleaning toilets so I know what I am talking about and it is not pretty.

Bismilla-hi Rahman ur-Rahim !

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.
(Willi Pfaff, 3 November 2014 17:42)

I couldn't've said it better, but I bet you a fist full of dollars or railroad tanker full of oil I could've said it funnier.

P.S. Oil be dirt cheap now and some of us Texans are back to drinking gasoline. Just in case somebody tries messin' with us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmnUayaQyBk

Some reality check here. We sold NIS to our big brother Putin for 400 million when its market value was closer to 2 billion, yet our big brother Putin is not happy that we didn't pay the 200 million for the gas.
Yeah let's go and kill those Albanian terrorists that distracted us with that drone and we got screwed by Putin. And lets cancel their prime minister's visit, who need Albanian enemies when we have friends like Putin.

Serbia is the biggest and most influential country in the balcans which have been shown numerous times through the years. This has nothing to do with how influential Serbia is or isn´t, this is 100%tied to the privatization of NIS, dont comment on something that you dont have a clue about.
(Daniel, 3 November 2014 16:27)

Unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. If Serbia were really the most influential country in the Balkans, Russia would pay much more than $200 million to Serbia so that it could control the Balkans. But obviously Russia thinks that Serbia's friendship is worthless to help Russia's influence in the Balkans. Now if Russia does not have a clue about Serbia's great influence in the Balkans, then please feel free to educate Russia :)

s a couple of years more there will be nothing to command. I am sure Russia will undermine the US but I am afraid there will be a war with no winners. And we’ll all; be as black as the oil you are talking about while the oil will be free of charge. I still suppose you are a crazy green card Albanian pusher. At least your IQ and mentallity is close to them. .
(rote, 4 November 2014 12:37)

I'll give you an E for effort. Besides, My mama taught me: Sticks and stones may break your bones Billy, but never let words of a fool hurt you.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMpa0A2WysE

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does
to the web, he does to himself.”
― Chief Seattle

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8i5NLyXZdc

"In August, the Ministry of Interior set up a working group to review of the sale of the Oil Industry of Serbia (NIS) to the Russian company Gazprom Neft."

Could this be the real cause of this situation?

This probably has more to do with the fact that Serbia did not sign a deal with Russia on the construction of South Stream. Belgrade is under pressure of EU and the US not to proceed with South Stream. Like some US congress man who visited Serbia the other said that signing up to South Stream would put Serbia in direct conflict with the US.
200 million is much money for Serbia but not so much for Russia. Putin wants to let Vucic know he can still put pressure on Serbia. But Putin is using a stick where it might be wiser for him to use a carrot.

hahahaha, there you have it, Serbia's best fried in the whole wide world cuts the gas supply. What if EU would start acting the same way whenever Serbia doesn't want to act the way they want. there would be an outcry here about the barbaric methods of the West, the devils trying to bancrupt Serbia, etc ....
(Willi Pfaff, 31 October 2014 14:14)

Willi that is exactly how the West, and everyone else reacts. When you don't pay a bill, your country risks default and bankruptcy. Friendly relations have nothing to do with a contractor expecting payment for goods delivered. If Russia gave all of its fuel away, what would become of their economy and their abillity to help others?

As far as trying to bankrupt Serbia, this government and the past governments are and were responsible for getting Serbia's affairs in order. Maybe they spent to much time courting voters and the western governments and too little time promoting economic growth and fiscal responsibility

"Willi that is exactly how the West, and everyone else reacts. When you don't pay a bill, your country risks default and bankruptcy. Friendly relations have nothing to do with a contractor expecting payment for goods delivered. "
(marKo, 31 October 2014 20:03)

Exactly. With a small difference: If you be a good ass licker for Putin, your country will get some favorable pricing, like Ukraine got under Yanukovich, or like Belarus with its glorious president. And I don't mean the famous 'favorable gas prices' Gazprom granted to Serbia which were higher than the ones on the spot market.

Besides that, of course the gas and oil has to be payed, no matter what price was agreed, otherwise the supply will be cut - this is only normal and fair.

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The albino pigmy white boy doesn't know yet, that if this article is true, Russia lost Serbia's friendship forever. If he cuts more, he would be lucky if one post-1918 Russian monument remains intact in Serbia.
Serbs stayed loyal to Russia through thick and thin, like any true, loyal, and honorable friend would have who had been helped when in need, and now the yoke and the burden that brought Serbia practically to her knees has been lifted, and Serbia is FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!!! Thank God almighty she is free at last to do and to go wherever she pleases without a guilty conscience and false hopes.

Last week I read that some Russian, cheap con artist, low-life-commie-scumbag manpig called my Commander in Chief a brown boy. That manpig doesn't know that if I heard him in person that I would've slapped him so MFen hard he'd have caviar rolling down his legs, "then I would throw the perpetrator over my shoulder, slam him onto his back on the floor behind me, place my boot on his face and ask "What was that you were saying?" before I saw him scurry away sniveling to his sister's for a clean pair of Y-fronts".
And for sure Rote, if you are reading, I guarantee you, that I would've been the one standing upright and not you!!!

Listen to Boom everybody, whoever he might be. He means well.

P.S. Please forgive me Lord, and bless the pygmies, albinos, midgets, and manpigs. Amen!

@rote said:
“Sounds very Albanian..blah blah blah....cash money live while Russia is one of such places. Hope you are a Serb. blah blah"

I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries. 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest is sold here, so maybe I am biased in what I say. I have been in Albania on several business trips and don’t find them to be different from us. We are all just Balkan people. I have also been to Russia and we maybe brothers by heritage, but our lifestyle and mentality is closer to Albanians and other Balkan peoples then Russians. There is nothing wrong with being economic rivals, that is how progress is made, all countries are economic rivals.
We have to beat them with economic growth just as we should have beaten their football team by scoring 3 goals in the first 30 minutes, rather than by hooligans on the field.
You probably have in mind Moscow or St-Peters when you talk about Russia being wealthy, but if you ever went out of those cities, majority of Russians live like in medieval ages, really. I worked in Russia for 5 years, I know what I am talking about and it is not pretty. And those oligarchs who have all the money behave more like uncultured rich Arab sheikhs then true responsible businessman. Serbia's place and interest is first in the Balkans then in Europe. Certainly not in Russia.

The real news here is not that Russia asking for payment for a product, that is normal even between brothers, but that the Serbian government is broke and can't even pay for heating.

@rote
And you do not know what it is to be free in a free country. The only free country on the continent

You obviously live behind the noon. Who wants to live in Russia? Boom is correct in what he says about the country you live in. It is a currupt dictatorship run by a few super rich oligarchs and outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg people live in poverty. An unfree press, no human rights, a facist government and no future. The current regime will not survive, there will be a time when they are going to swept away just like the communists.

Why arn't people imigrating to Russia when it is so wonderful, why arn't refugees trying to go there? They certainly prefer to go and live in places like Western Europe, EU, or North America. All the stupid talk about Russia overtaking the west and the end of the EU is redicules, and shows how dumb and brainwashed you guys are.

Boom is correct with another observation. When you look at the mentality, common intrest and such, Serbs are much closer to Albaniens than to russians. The only real connection there is is religion.

• Also something tells me that I earn more than some overseas swine-flu carriers. At least the minimal salaries that I pay to my personnel start from 1000 euro. Some of the Serbs here know what I mean. So with your unemployment bulletin you chose a wrong sparring partner.

Lol. You should've checked our latest unemployment #s first before you parade your envy on the web.
While you at it check the Stock Market also and the price of oil.

BTW, I think this is less boring than your Pink Floyd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGbMuBia6I

I am disappointed that I wasted 30 seconds of my time reading your gibberish.
I wish b92 would put an ignore button next to recommend so I can click it and ignore you in the future.
(boom, 3 November 2014 16:31)

lol gibberish. This moron is here talking to me about the "kosovo constitution" and "2 million Albanians" being driven out when there have never even been that many in Kosovo-Metohija and I'M talking gibberish.

ICj, unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. A debt is a debt and has nothing to do with the Russian-Serb relations. Russia invests a lot more than 200 mill anually in Serbia.
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_12_18/Russian-investment-in-Serbian-oil-business-8361/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-14/serbia-signs-russia-loan-abu-dhabi-investment-for-growth.html
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/14/russia-serbia-relations-through-prism-of-70-years.html

(Ari Gold, 4 November 2014 23:30)

I do not know where you get the idea that I am old and ready to die? Besides your prejudice remarks, I am 59, healthy, and in good shape, and everybody in my family lived well up into their 90's, so my chances to live another 40 years are high, and i might outlive you.

I fought fascism my entire life, no matter where i see it, and I am am a reflective thoughful and inteligent person that is not familiar with the concept of hate like you display it every time you write here. I fight against facism because the country I was borne in displayed the worst outbreak of that human nighmare concept in history. I am very well aware of that, because I can reflect on things and put them into perspective. Well, You can't, otherwise you would not argue the way you do, and realize like most people, at least in the west, that Serbia comes in second when you look at the recent European history. You simply deny any serbian wrongdoings in the Balkan conflicst of the 90's, well, even worse, you think they had the right to do what they did.

The nazi dinosaur in this case is you, not me. Had you lived in the 30's you would be one of Hitler's blind followers and justify his crimes against humanity, just like you justify Milosevic's cimes.

I think you will see the South Stream project accelerate. This is how Mr Putin keeps order. Mr Vucic now has a decision to make regarding the beginning of construction

@Billy,

If you ask you shall receive!
(cry me a river, 2 November 2014 00:38)

Thank you kindly brother.

@ Ari Gold

just read the following article from today on B92, which shows as well what I said in my earlier post. Amnesty International basicly says the same thing as what I have been saying all along ...
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=05&nav_id=92138

My brother may own a gas station but if I take his petrol/ gas, he expects to be paid on the spot not months or years down the track.

Maybe he didn’t say so but he can think so only because in Kamchatka it rises 90 minutes before Japan. I don’t care how it sounds, I employ 14 people in the middle of Belgrade and pay them decent salaries above 300 euro ! 60% of what we make goes to Albania and about 20% to Kosovo, the rest 20% is pushed here through the local Albanians.

I wonder what kind of company you have when you dont pay tax in the country that your based in and 80%of your profit goes to Albania and Kosovo. Can it have something to do with Heroin maybe?

(Kent Prince, 3 November 2014 08:44)
Curious, does your brother also expect you to pay more for gas from his station than all your neighbors pay???

@Willi Pfaff
Not all Serbs are like Ari Gold, raute, icj, peggy etc. who are die hard Milosevic fans.
But we have many, and our society is very polarized and fragile because most Serbs still believe that we were victims of history and didn’t do anything wrong at all. This is made worse by the economic situation.
Our media never shows anything but injustices done to us. We never went through the same soul searching Germany went after WWII , and fascist nationalism is still alive and prospering here.
Nationalist Serbs consider Albanians worse than animals, this way our crimes in Kosovo look less horrible.
It frightens me that in the current atmosphere, another Milosevic might come along and destroy our country for good. It frightens me even more when English speaking Serbs don not have a more developed argument than the blind nationalistic propaganda.
That is why it is so important to develop economic ties as the only hope to bring lasting peace to the region. Not only our economic situation will improve, but we will get to know each other and will discover that after all we are much more alike than different.
Reminds me of this joke of an Italian and German guy fighting over who is better Goethe or Dante, and after they beat each other to death, just before dying, the Italian guy says : I don’t regret dying for Dante , I just wish I had read him. Well the German says, I never read Gothe either. So it goes between Serb and Albanians.

@(boom, 6 November 2014 17:44)

Thanks Boom, and I fully agree with you. I am aware of the fact that Ari Gold and alike do not represent what Serbs feel like and how they think, but also know that Serbia never went though a reflective cleansing process like we did after the war. This is desperatly needed, and the political elite as well as the media so far failed to get this process started. THE same applies to Kosovo as well as all other Balkan countries, but in Serbia this problem is the worst. As long as governments in the Balkans play the nationalistic card things won't get any better, but as I said, Serbia tops them all.
It could all be so much easier if these politicians and the media would look at the way handled that subject in Germany. I am not saying that it was perfect, but we at least were able to make sure that 95% or more of the population realze what really happened during the horrible Nazi nightmare, what was done in the name of GErmany to innocent people all over Europe. For as long as that is not achieved in the Balkans future wars can not be ruled out, and that makes it worth to even put up with all the tasteless personal attacks.

ICj, unfortunately Russia disagrees with you. A debt is a debt and has nothing to do with the Russian-Serb relations.
(Daniel, 4 November 2014 16:55)

Who told you I disagree with what you stated above?! I've said for a long time that like all international relations, the relations between Russia and Serbia are also based on interests; there is no "friendship" or "brotherhood" in international relations - there are only interests and a debt is a debt that needs to be paid.

Unfortunately, the most patriotic of Serbs in these forums had a different and more romantic view of the Russia-Serbia relations. But it is great to see that now even the most patriotic of Serbs finally embraced the view that debt is debt despite the so-called "brotherhood". Apparently the most patriotic of Serbs would rather have Serbia pay $200M than voice any sort of discontent for Russia - and, yes, I do mean "the most patriotic of SERBS" :)