"Albanian PM trying to provoke Serbia"

What doesn't Serbia understand? Kosova is no longer theirs and is not even an option to get back. Same backwards mentality continues in Serbia.

There is no consensus. Four of the countries that consider Kosovo part of Serbia:

Brazil
Russia
India
Indonesia
China.

That is more than half the world's population.
(Bucko, 24 October 2014 16:24)

I can easily vouch for 4 countries population comprising 99%, which they don't even know where Serbia and Kosova is located. Granted , I will give you 20% of Russian population they know where Serbia and Kosova is located on the map. No further comment for your stupid comment. You said four countries, yet you listed 5!?

Drecun: "I have no doubt anymore that this is a well planned, orchestrated campaign by Tirana intended to destabilize the situation in the region by sending messages that support a Greater Albania,".
Absolutely, just as they did with the drone at the football match.

A majority of the worlds countries recognize Kosovas independence you idiot! There is nothing destabilizing when a majority of the world agrees that Kosova is independent. Suggesting that Serbia follow the path that they will anyway is not destabilizing. Suggesting that Serbia recognize Kosova is no less destabalizing then suggesting to someone that theybshpuld believe the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. It's a fact! It's not changing! And boy is it a beautiful thing! Lol!

There is no consensus. Four of the countries that consider Kosovo part of Serbia:

Brazil
Russia
India
Indonesia
China.

That is more than half the world's population.

Actually the biggest countries of the world has not recognised Kosovo independence, including many Muslim countries. No BRIC members...You have no UN recognition...until you do...their is NO real independence.

Albanian PM trying to provoke Serbia" Where is the "provocation"

Milovan Drecun said on Thursday Albania's Prime Minister Edi Rama was making extreme statements...

Is placing a blame a provocation?
"When Tirana sends messages that Serbia should renounce a part of its territory (Kosovo), then those are not messages of prosperity, but destabilizing ones," he told reporters in Belgrade.

Rama is a Prime Minister of another country and is entitled to express its opinion as he wishes. Does this guy thinks that Rama should ask Serbia's permission what to say or not to say?

In a civilised society we can agree to disagree.
When is this guy and others following him will learn?"Unilateral changes to internationally recognised borders does not lead the region into the EU," Drecun noted, adding that "the EU has completely different standards." Let Serbian international lawyers fight for Kosovo.

I think this chap is out of his mind when stating
"It seems to me that Rama's very aggressive, even extreme, statements are an attempt to make his upcoming visit pointless, to provoke Belgrade and then declare Serbia responsible,"
"I have no doubt anymore that this is a well planned, orchestrated campaign by Tirana intended to destabilize the situation in the region by sending messages that support a Greater Albania," he stated.

You lost Kosovo in a war that Serbia started. FULL STOP!

Get used to it and have a life. Like I lost my wife and found a new one.

The question is why should Serbia recognise Kosovo as an independent state? People talk about instability, how is Serbia not recognising Kosovo as a state making the Balkans unstable. More to the point there are 5 EU member states who will never budge on the issue.

Things have started on the wrong foot for both countries here.
We need smth to stop the spiral of hate between us.
I hope our politicians start focusing on economics instead, that is how European countries overcame their mutual hatred after the war.
The fact is, Serbia does more trade with Albania then it does with Russia. Lets focus on this good thing and forget about stupid football matches and Kosovo. For us Kosovo is a separate country, it should not be an obstacle to Albania Serbia relations. Furthermore, Albanian politicians have zero influence over what happens in Kosovo.
Albania is only starting to build its state institutions and Albanian diplomacy is at its infancy, clearly not the best here. The communist system left our country in the dark ages. It was not the case for Serbia where people lived much better and its institutions are more mature. Had Milosevic no put the country through stupid wars, Serbia would be today a rich and powerful country on pair with Austria. The opposite has happened those last 20 years, Serbia went in decline and Albania has seen tremendous growth. Almost each family has someone working outside the country and a lot of money is spent here, the standard of living has increased a lot. This has changed the mentality of the people here, we really have no hostility towards the Serbs and just want to live in peace and good neighborhood. The poor the people are, the most nationalistic they become. Lets improve the economy first.

More to the point there are 5 EU member states who will never budge on the issue.
(dave b, 24 October 2014 16:00)

Do you really think the rest of EU will budge for the sake of Serbia...To the point...you are talking about.

I have said many times in my past comments here and proved right. If a country starts a war against "his own people" is risking losing these people and the territory where they live in. That was the situation with Kosovo. Serbia hasn't got the slightest chance to claim Kosovo back. Let me also tell you will never join EU without recognizing formally Kosovo independence. I know many Serbian fanatics will say "who care" but in reality you have no choice other than joining Russian Federation of Putin and take Kosovo by force as Putin knows how to do it....

the truth,

I can bet you that 99.9999999% of Americans, Canadians, 99% of Brits, French, and Germans have no clue where Kosovo is. What's your point?

I can easily vouch for 4 countries population comprising 99%, which they don't even know where Serbia and Kosova is located. Granted , I will give you 20% of Russian population they know where Serbia and Kosova is located on the map. No further comment for your stupid comment. You said four countries, yet you listed 5!?
(the truth, 24 October 2014 17:14)

Wow! An albanian that knows how to count up to five. You're the first albanian Einstein on this forum. I bet you're highly regarded within the albo community because the rest don't even know how to count that far.

EA no I don't think the rest of the EU will budge, however without the other 5 Kosovo will remain in the position it is today. The EU wants Serbia in the EU to break Russias grips. The west is more than happy to have Kosovo where it is with KFOR there. Albania and Kosovo have as much chance as Turkey getting in the EU.

Edi is just a statesman. Yes he is primitive, yes he is provoking, but at least he's offering the Albanian perspective. He is embarrassing Serbia's political elite in Belgrade and this is something I appreciate. For far too long, the Serbian elite has isolated itself in their Belgrade bubble, not really understanding what goes on outside of it.

And now the Albanians brought the embarrassment right to their front door. Good that's what they deserve for being such pathetic leaders.

Rama is more annoying than provocative. Yes he ruffles feathers, but he's a far cry from the irrationally vitriolic insanity that was Sali Berisha.

Wow! An albanian that knows how to count up to five. You're the first albanian Einstein on this forum. I bet you're highly regarded within the albo community because the rest don't even know how to count that far.
(ivan, 24 October 2014 19:08)

you the first complete idiot to write like that, you must be educated in serbia oh btw do forks and spoons stick on your body? lol

Don't worry Russia has got a good grip on Serbia....it is a historic grip....As for Albania in EU...I personally wouldn't care less. God has blessed the country with sea, mountains and nature. Sebia is landlocked....

You lost Kosovo in a war that Serbia started. FULL STOP!

Get used to it and have a life. Like I lost my wife and found a new one.
(EA, 24 October 2014 16:17)

Serbia is the strongest country in the region. But unfortunately, Serbia cannot match the strength of violent imperial aims in the Balkans and therefore has to constantly accept geo-political realities that are not very favorable. This was the case during the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, Nazi Germany and no different today. The reason why it's always Serbia that is the target of these empires, is because Serbia's neighbors, by and large, have no problem becoming meaningless vassals to whichever Empire comes to set up shop in the region.

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.

As a Dutchie from the same city as Dick Advocaat something striked me what is not pointed out about the game itself.
It were the Albanian players who started attacking the Serbian players fysically. Not for foul play but for a flag.
Even in The Hague all the supporters would also come on the field to protect their players.
But then, ADO Den Haag/The Hague is the club where Vujadin Boskov started his and also our club's international carrier.

Albania will use any means possible,
even War,
to produce Greater Albania.
That is on Her Hidden agenda.

Arn.Sweden.

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

Ari Gold, you should be happy if Serbia exist in 20 years fron now! How things are going you will lose not only Vojvodina but also Sanxhak. And considering how old is population in Serbia only importing people from Africa will save litle Serbia.

Serbia is the strongest country in the region. But unfortunately, Serbia cannot match the strength of violent imperial aims in the Balkans and therefore has to constantly accept geo-political realities that are not very favorable. This was the case during the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, Nazi Germany and no different today. The reason why it's always Serbia that is the target of these empires, is because Serbia's neighbors, by and large, have no problem becoming meaningless vassals to whichever Empire comes to set up shop in the region.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

Ari,
Very creative fiction. Serbia was never the strongest in the region, recall she lost four wars in the 1990's alone.
Yugoslavia claimed to have the strongest military in the region, but was untested. Had she been tested, we would have found all that old and rusting Russian military hardware would have been her downfall.

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

You're hallucinating again, Ari. If you recall, there were 32,000 of you Serbs in your stadium against 11 Albanian players and you still lost. And, what makes it especially gratifying is that the whole world witnessed Serbia's poor sportsmanship and their cowardly attempt at bullying their guests. For shame Serbia. How will you ever live this down!

EA no I don't think the rest of the EU will budge, however without the other 5 Kosovo will remain in the position it is today. The EU wants Serbia in the EU to break Russias grips. The west is more than happy to have Kosovo where it is with KFOR there. Albania and Kosovo have as much chance as Turkey getting in the EU.
(dave b, 24 October 2014 22:48)

Gee dave b, I really got under your skin. What you fail to realize is that Russia is weaker than anyone thought, to the point where they are no longer a factor. The Ukraine has been giving the Russkies their lumps, but I know you are already aware of that. Russia is just a big gas station. Deep down, Russia desperately wants to join the EU and NATO, and eventually they will, but without Serbia. What will Serbia do then.

This is why Rama's visit will come to no good - and will in fact stir up more trouble. Vucic is very stupid and traitorous in his stupidity, apparently thinking he's doing good. Serbs need to protest him and kick him and the corrupt traitors out.

Gee dave b, I really got under your skin. What you fail to realize is that Russia is weaker than anyone thought, to the point where they are no longer a factor. The Ukraine has been giving the Russkies their lumps, but I know you are already aware of that. Russia is just a big gas station. Deep down, Russia desperately wants to join the EU and NATO, and eventually they will, but without Serbia. What will Serbia do then.
(EA, 25 October 2014 05:51)
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I don't think you live in the same universe as the rest of us.
Ukraine can't even pay for their gas and others have to extort money from other countries in order the settle the bill.
Russia joining NATO and EU! Are you mad?

You're hallucinating again, Ari. If you recall, there were 32,000 of you Serbs in your stadium against 11 Albanian players and you still lost. How will you ever live this down!
(The Cunt of Kosova, 26 October 2014 17:39)

Lost what? This is what I don't get with some of you very primitive people. After the match, hundreds of thousands of Albanians paraded on Balkan streets like they won the match when it was cancelled. When the team came home, they were thrown a huge celebration as if they came home with the World Cup.

If your intention was to cancel the game because you didn't want the end result to play out, then yes you won. Because Serbia just wanted to play the damn game. But UEFA did not award any team any points, but did award Serbia the win and 3-0 at that. This means if it comes down to goal difference (not like Albania would have made the Euro 2016 anyway), Albania would have to deal with those 3 goals against.

What doesn't Serbia understand? Kosova is no longer theirs and is not even an option to get back. Same backwards mentality continues in Serbia.

A majority of the worlds countries recognize Kosovas independence you idiot! There is nothing destabilizing when a majority of the world agrees that Kosova is independent. Suggesting that Serbia follow the path that they will anyway is not destabilizing. Suggesting that Serbia recognize Kosova is no less destabalizing then suggesting to someone that theybshpuld believe the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. It's a fact! It's not changing! And boy is it a beautiful thing! Lol!

There is no consensus. Four of the countries that consider Kosovo part of Serbia:

Brazil
Russia
India
Indonesia
China.

That is more than half the world's population.

I can easily vouch for 4 countries population comprising 99%, which they don't even know where Serbia and Kosova is located. Granted , I will give you 20% of Russian population they know where Serbia and Kosova is located on the map. No further comment for your stupid comment. You said four countries, yet you listed 5!?
(the truth, 24 October 2014 17:14)

Wow! An albanian that knows how to count up to five. You're the first albanian Einstein on this forum. I bet you're highly regarded within the albo community because the rest don't even know how to count that far.

Actually the biggest countries of the world has not recognised Kosovo independence, including many Muslim countries. No BRIC members...You have no UN recognition...until you do...their is NO real independence.

Albanian PM trying to provoke Serbia" Where is the "provocation"

Milovan Drecun said on Thursday Albania's Prime Minister Edi Rama was making extreme statements...

Is placing a blame a provocation?
"When Tirana sends messages that Serbia should renounce a part of its territory (Kosovo), then those are not messages of prosperity, but destabilizing ones," he told reporters in Belgrade.

Rama is a Prime Minister of another country and is entitled to express its opinion as he wishes. Does this guy thinks that Rama should ask Serbia's permission what to say or not to say?

In a civilised society we can agree to disagree.
When is this guy and others following him will learn?"Unilateral changes to internationally recognised borders does not lead the region into the EU," Drecun noted, adding that "the EU has completely different standards." Let Serbian international lawyers fight for Kosovo.

I think this chap is out of his mind when stating
"It seems to me that Rama's very aggressive, even extreme, statements are an attempt to make his upcoming visit pointless, to provoke Belgrade and then declare Serbia responsible,"
"I have no doubt anymore that this is a well planned, orchestrated campaign by Tirana intended to destabilize the situation in the region by sending messages that support a Greater Albania," he stated.

You lost Kosovo in a war that Serbia started. FULL STOP!

Get used to it and have a life. Like I lost my wife and found a new one.

There is no consensus. Four of the countries that consider Kosovo part of Serbia:

Brazil
Russia
India
Indonesia
China.

That is more than half the world's population.
(Bucko, 24 October 2014 16:24)

I can easily vouch for 4 countries population comprising 99%, which they don't even know where Serbia and Kosova is located. Granted , I will give you 20% of Russian population they know where Serbia and Kosova is located on the map. No further comment for your stupid comment. You said four countries, yet you listed 5!?

EA no I don't think the rest of the EU will budge, however without the other 5 Kosovo will remain in the position it is today. The EU wants Serbia in the EU to break Russias grips. The west is more than happy to have Kosovo where it is with KFOR there. Albania and Kosovo have as much chance as Turkey getting in the EU.

More to the point there are 5 EU member states who will never budge on the issue.
(dave b, 24 October 2014 16:00)

Do you really think the rest of EU will budge for the sake of Serbia...To the point...you are talking about.

I have said many times in my past comments here and proved right. If a country starts a war against "his own people" is risking losing these people and the territory where they live in. That was the situation with Kosovo. Serbia hasn't got the slightest chance to claim Kosovo back. Let me also tell you will never join EU without recognizing formally Kosovo independence. I know many Serbian fanatics will say "who care" but in reality you have no choice other than joining Russian Federation of Putin and take Kosovo by force as Putin knows how to do it....

Drecun: "I have no doubt anymore that this is a well planned, orchestrated campaign by Tirana intended to destabilize the situation in the region by sending messages that support a Greater Albania,".
Absolutely, just as they did with the drone at the football match.

The question is why should Serbia recognise Kosovo as an independent state? People talk about instability, how is Serbia not recognising Kosovo as a state making the Balkans unstable. More to the point there are 5 EU member states who will never budge on the issue.

Edi is just a statesman. Yes he is primitive, yes he is provoking, but at least he's offering the Albanian perspective. He is embarrassing Serbia's political elite in Belgrade and this is something I appreciate. For far too long, the Serbian elite has isolated itself in their Belgrade bubble, not really understanding what goes on outside of it.

And now the Albanians brought the embarrassment right to their front door. Good that's what they deserve for being such pathetic leaders.

Don't worry Russia has got a good grip on Serbia....it is a historic grip....As for Albania in EU...I personally wouldn't care less. God has blessed the country with sea, mountains and nature. Sebia is landlocked....

Wow! An albanian that knows how to count up to five. You're the first albanian Einstein on this forum. I bet you're highly regarded within the albo community because the rest don't even know how to count that far.
(ivan, 24 October 2014 19:08)

you the first complete idiot to write like that, you must be educated in serbia oh btw do forks and spoons stick on your body? lol

You lost Kosovo in a war that Serbia started. FULL STOP!

Get used to it and have a life. Like I lost my wife and found a new one.
(EA, 24 October 2014 16:17)

Serbia is the strongest country in the region. But unfortunately, Serbia cannot match the strength of violent imperial aims in the Balkans and therefore has to constantly accept geo-political realities that are not very favorable. This was the case during the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, Nazi Germany and no different today. The reason why it's always Serbia that is the target of these empires, is because Serbia's neighbors, by and large, have no problem becoming meaningless vassals to whichever Empire comes to set up shop in the region.

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.

the truth,

I can bet you that 99.9999999% of Americans, Canadians, 99% of Brits, French, and Germans have no clue where Kosovo is. What's your point?

Gee dave b, I really got under your skin. What you fail to realize is that Russia is weaker than anyone thought, to the point where they are no longer a factor. The Ukraine has been giving the Russkies their lumps, but I know you are already aware of that. Russia is just a big gas station. Deep down, Russia desperately wants to join the EU and NATO, and eventually they will, but without Serbia. What will Serbia do then.
(EA, 25 October 2014 05:51)
================================
I don't think you live in the same universe as the rest of us.
Ukraine can't even pay for their gas and others have to extort money from other countries in order the settle the bill.
Russia joining NATO and EU! Are you mad?

Albania will use any means possible,
even War,
to produce Greater Albania.
That is on Her Hidden agenda.

Arn.Sweden.

EA no I don't think the rest of the EU will budge, however without the other 5 Kosovo will remain in the position it is today. The EU wants Serbia in the EU to break Russias grips. The west is more than happy to have Kosovo where it is with KFOR there. Albania and Kosovo have as much chance as Turkey getting in the EU.
(dave b, 24 October 2014 22:48)

Gee dave b, I really got under your skin. What you fail to realize is that Russia is weaker than anyone thought, to the point where they are no longer a factor. The Ukraine has been giving the Russkies their lumps, but I know you are already aware of that. Russia is just a big gas station. Deep down, Russia desperately wants to join the EU and NATO, and eventually they will, but without Serbia. What will Serbia do then.

As a Dutchie from the same city as Dick Advocaat something striked me what is not pointed out about the game itself.
It were the Albanian players who started attacking the Serbian players fysically. Not for foul play but for a flag.
Even in The Hague all the supporters would also come on the field to protect their players.
But then, ADO Den Haag/The Hague is the club where Vujadin Boskov started his and also our club's international carrier.

This is why Rama's visit will come to no good - and will in fact stir up more trouble. Vucic is very stupid and traitorous in his stupidity, apparently thinking he's doing good. Serbs need to protest him and kick him and the corrupt traitors out.

You're hallucinating again, Ari. If you recall, there were 32,000 of you Serbs in your stadium against 11 Albanian players and you still lost. How will you ever live this down!
(The Cunt of Kosova, 26 October 2014 17:39)

Lost what? This is what I don't get with some of you very primitive people. After the match, hundreds of thousands of Albanians paraded on Balkan streets like they won the match when it was cancelled. When the team came home, they were thrown a huge celebration as if they came home with the World Cup.

If your intention was to cancel the game because you didn't want the end result to play out, then yes you won. Because Serbia just wanted to play the damn game. But UEFA did not award any team any points, but did award Serbia the win and 3-0 at that. This means if it comes down to goal difference (not like Albania would have made the Euro 2016 anyway), Albania would have to deal with those 3 goals against.

Rama is more annoying than provocative. Yes he ruffles feathers, but he's a far cry from the irrationally vitriolic insanity that was Sali Berisha.

Things have started on the wrong foot for both countries here.
We need smth to stop the spiral of hate between us.
I hope our politicians start focusing on economics instead, that is how European countries overcame their mutual hatred after the war.
The fact is, Serbia does more trade with Albania then it does with Russia. Lets focus on this good thing and forget about stupid football matches and Kosovo. For us Kosovo is a separate country, it should not be an obstacle to Albania Serbia relations. Furthermore, Albanian politicians have zero influence over what happens in Kosovo.
Albania is only starting to build its state institutions and Albanian diplomacy is at its infancy, clearly not the best here. The communist system left our country in the dark ages. It was not the case for Serbia where people lived much better and its institutions are more mature. Had Milosevic no put the country through stupid wars, Serbia would be today a rich and powerful country on pair with Austria. The opposite has happened those last 20 years, Serbia went in decline and Albania has seen tremendous growth. Almost each family has someone working outside the country and a lot of money is spent here, the standard of living has increased a lot. This has changed the mentality of the people here, we really have no hostility towards the Serbs and just want to live in peace and good neighborhood. The poor the people are, the most nationalistic they become. Lets improve the economy first.

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

You're hallucinating again, Ari. If you recall, there were 32,000 of you Serbs in your stadium against 11 Albanian players and you still lost. And, what makes it especially gratifying is that the whole world witnessed Serbia's poor sportsmanship and their cowardly attempt at bullying their guests. For shame Serbia. How will you ever live this down!

But NATO will leave. And when it does, nothing will be able to stop Serbia from reasserting its sovereignty. Sure as hell no rabid Albanian separatists who only are strong when they have a 50 to 1 advantage, and that 1 is a teenage girl or senior citizen.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

Ari Gold, you should be happy if Serbia exist in 20 years fron now! How things are going you will lose not only Vojvodina but also Sanxhak. And considering how old is population in Serbia only importing people from Africa will save litle Serbia.

Serbia is the strongest country in the region. But unfortunately, Serbia cannot match the strength of violent imperial aims in the Balkans and therefore has to constantly accept geo-political realities that are not very favorable. This was the case during the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, Nazi Germany and no different today. The reason why it's always Serbia that is the target of these empires, is because Serbia's neighbors, by and large, have no problem becoming meaningless vassals to whichever Empire comes to set up shop in the region.
(Ari Gold, 25 October 2014 01:31)

Ari,
Very creative fiction. Serbia was never the strongest in the region, recall she lost four wars in the 1990's alone.
Yugoslavia claimed to have the strongest military in the region, but was untested. Had she been tested, we would have found all that old and rusting Russian military hardware would have been her downfall.