Accession process chance for improving quality of life

Ari, your message starts to sound like an old warped record. You are blind to the chances the EU provides to countries, especially in the Balkans. Finding peace with each other for instance is one of them, and it certainly gives any country on this path prospects of positive occonomic development. The intrest free monetary gifts which go into the billions alone give these countries the chance to establish a better infrastructure and enhance the ecconomic development. Russia, your favorite country doesn't do that, they only give high intrest loans to Serbia.
Besides that it brings countries like Serbia democracy, openness, and a liberal outlook for its citizens. Nothing your friend Putin can provide. He brings dictatorship, an unfree press which only allows what he wants to be reported, a closed up society, ruled by fear. If you oppose this dictatorship, you most likley end up in jail, or the gulag.
why do you even live in the west if you think Russia is so wonderful? If I were you and would believe in the same things, I would also want to be living in a country which refects my believes. So your arguments certainly carry a some, or quite a bit of hypocrisy. A russian advocating western democracy, like you believe in Putin Russia would not be tollerated and would end up in jail, don't you see that?

We lived in harmony in the past without restrictions why do we have to now Ari. Many people want to go to Europe and prosper and vice versa sure is not getting better on its on.

Look its not easy in EU but sure is better than Russian umbrella.

Accession did not improve the lives of Bulgarians and Romanians.
(Ari Gold, 23 September 2014 16:05)

Based on what? Your own imagination? Average wages went from below Serbia's to double Serbia's in a decade. Add on that freedom of movement and freedom to seek jobs anywhere in Europe, plus an investment boom and I doubt that you'll find any Bulgarian or Romanian that thinks they would have been better off not joining the EU.

Have you ever spoken to a real, live Bulgarian or Romanian, Ari?

Accession did not improve the lives of Bulgarians and Romanians. Sure as hell will not improve the lives of Croatians. How is surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners going to make anything better in Serbia, exactly?

How is surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners going to make anything better in Serbia, exactly?
(Ari Gold, 23 September 2014 16:05)

You are in the wrong forum, dear... The news story here is about EU membership. It's not about joining Russia which would mean surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners...

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE?

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I'm not sure where you come up with this stuff, Ari. Whenever I spend time in EU countries, I'm meeting people who are from other EU countries enjoying their freedom of movement. Brits living in Italy, Germans working in Switzerland (I know it's not EU, but they had until very recently the same freedom of movement for most EU countries), etc, etc. I can't remember a single trip to an EU country (and I take about 6 a year) where I haven't met someone from a different EU country enjoying working and living there effortlessly.

Besides, you dodged the issue. You said that Romanians and Bulgarians didn't benefit from EU accession when they clearly, measurably did in many ways by bringing up some other weird thing you want to be true.

Maybe you mean vis-a-vis the inclusion of Bulgarians, Romanians, Croats and, in the future, Serbians. Maybe some do. The UK had a campaign discouraging Romanians and Bulgarians from moving there.

That has nothing to do with whether Bulgarians and Romanians did or didn't benefit from EU accession, which they did.

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE? Do you not see that freedom to compete for limited labor markets in Western Europe with a bunch of white kids who grew up spoiled and never took the time to actually learn any trade is leading to social tensions?!
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

The idiotism expressed above is really astonishing! Freedom to compete is leading to social unrest?!!! Dear, the Soviet Union collapsed for a reason . You obviously have not learned that even after more than 20 years :)
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It's only the Brussels central planners and obviously EUrophile Eastern Europeans who want an open door to mass immigration. Such a thing is bad for the future of nation-states in Eastern Europe AND Western Europe... and this is exactly what the EUrophiles want.
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

Why is it bad?! Because you say so out of the concern you have about the well-being of the EU?! Come on, you don't have to become the laughing stock of these forums - you sound like you're loosing it, dear
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Nation-state democracy≠European Union. Plain and simple
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

The fact that France and Germany which killed millions of each other last century are in the same Union is European Union's biggest achievement. The first time that peace reigned in Europe for decades. I know you envy it but the solution is not for the European Union to become to like you!!!

We lived in harmony in the past without restrictions why do we have to now Ari. Many people want to go to Europe and prosper and vice versa sure is not getting better on its on.

Look its not easy in EU but sure is better than Russian umbrella.
(Atila, 26 September 2014 14:12)

Since, for some reason, people (Serbs included) stubbornly refuse to go to the Russian paradise at the same numbers they try to go to the EU, our dear friend Ari wants the freedom of movement in the EU not to exist anymore, so that people can be forced to go to the Russian paradise :) It appears RT News has started to have some effect on our dear friend, Ari.

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE? Do you not see that freedom to compete for limited labor markets in Western Europe with a bunch of white kids who grew up spoiled and never took the time to actually learn any trade is leading to social tensions?!

It's only the Brussels central planners and obviously EUrophile Eastern Europeans who want an open door to mass immigration. Such a thing is bad for the future of nation-states in Eastern Europe AND Western Europe... and this is exactly what the EUrophiles want.

Nation-state democracy≠European Union. Plain and simple
(Danilo, 24 September 2014 17:35)

(Danilo, 26 September 2014 23:15)

Neither Bulgaria nor Romania have benefited from EU membership. Their slight increase in living standards came from transitioning into a market-economy, which they were not decades prior.

There is nothing that a foreign planning committee that centrally crafts the laws of each member state has done to somehow make things better. Why would you attribute the rise in living standards to bureaucrats in Brussels? The only thing EU policy may have done to help Romania and Bulgaria is decrease the unemployment rate because so many people have left to seek employment elsewhere. But that is not the sign of healthy times in these countries.

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE? Do you not see that freedom to compete for limited labor markets in Western Europe with a bunch of white kids who grew up spoiled and never took the time to actually learn any trade is leading to social tensions?!

It's only the Brussels central planners and obviously EUrophile Eastern Europeans who want an open door to mass immigration. Such a thing is bad for the future of nation-states in Eastern Europe AND Western Europe... and this is exactly what the EUrophiles want.

Nation-state democracy≠European Union. Plain and simple
(Danilo, 24 September 2014 17:35)

Accession did not improve the lives of Bulgarians and Romanians. Sure as hell will not improve the lives of Croatians. How is surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners going to make anything better in Serbia, exactly?

(Danilo, 26 September 2014 23:15)

Neither Bulgaria nor Romania have benefited from EU membership. Their slight increase in living standards came from transitioning into a market-economy, which they were not decades prior.

There is nothing that a foreign planning committee that centrally crafts the laws of each member state has done to somehow make things better. Why would you attribute the rise in living standards to bureaucrats in Brussels? The only thing EU policy may have done to help Romania and Bulgaria is decrease the unemployment rate because so many people have left to seek employment elsewhere. But that is not the sign of healthy times in these countries.

Accession did not improve the lives of Bulgarians and Romanians.
(Ari Gold, 23 September 2014 16:05)

Based on what? Your own imagination? Average wages went from below Serbia's to double Serbia's in a decade. Add on that freedom of movement and freedom to seek jobs anywhere in Europe, plus an investment boom and I doubt that you'll find any Bulgarian or Romanian that thinks they would have been better off not joining the EU.

Have you ever spoken to a real, live Bulgarian or Romanian, Ari?

Ari, your message starts to sound like an old warped record. You are blind to the chances the EU provides to countries, especially in the Balkans. Finding peace with each other for instance is one of them, and it certainly gives any country on this path prospects of positive occonomic development. The intrest free monetary gifts which go into the billions alone give these countries the chance to establish a better infrastructure and enhance the ecconomic development. Russia, your favorite country doesn't do that, they only give high intrest loans to Serbia.
Besides that it brings countries like Serbia democracy, openness, and a liberal outlook for its citizens. Nothing your friend Putin can provide. He brings dictatorship, an unfree press which only allows what he wants to be reported, a closed up society, ruled by fear. If you oppose this dictatorship, you most likley end up in jail, or the gulag.
why do you even live in the west if you think Russia is so wonderful? If I were you and would believe in the same things, I would also want to be living in a country which refects my believes. So your arguments certainly carry a some, or quite a bit of hypocrisy. A russian advocating western democracy, like you believe in Putin Russia would not be tollerated and would end up in jail, don't you see that?

We lived in harmony in the past without restrictions why do we have to now Ari. Many people want to go to Europe and prosper and vice versa sure is not getting better on its on.

Look its not easy in EU but sure is better than Russian umbrella.

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE?

------------

I'm not sure where you come up with this stuff, Ari. Whenever I spend time in EU countries, I'm meeting people who are from other EU countries enjoying their freedom of movement. Brits living in Italy, Germans working in Switzerland (I know it's not EU, but they had until very recently the same freedom of movement for most EU countries), etc, etc. I can't remember a single trip to an EU country (and I take about 6 a year) where I haven't met someone from a different EU country enjoying working and living there effortlessly.

Besides, you dodged the issue. You said that Romanians and Bulgarians didn't benefit from EU accession when they clearly, measurably did in many ways by bringing up some other weird thing you want to be true.

Maybe you mean vis-a-vis the inclusion of Bulgarians, Romanians, Croats and, in the future, Serbians. Maybe some do. The UK had a campaign discouraging Romanians and Bulgarians from moving there.

That has nothing to do with whether Bulgarians and Romanians did or didn't benefit from EU accession, which they did.

Danillo, do you realize that freedom of movement is something that Western Europeans HATE? Do you not see that freedom to compete for limited labor markets in Western Europe with a bunch of white kids who grew up spoiled and never took the time to actually learn any trade is leading to social tensions?!
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

The idiotism expressed above is really astonishing! Freedom to compete is leading to social unrest?!!! Dear, the Soviet Union collapsed for a reason . You obviously have not learned that even after more than 20 years :)
----------

It's only the Brussels central planners and obviously EUrophile Eastern Europeans who want an open door to mass immigration. Such a thing is bad for the future of nation-states in Eastern Europe AND Western Europe... and this is exactly what the EUrophiles want.
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

Why is it bad?! Because you say so out of the concern you have about the well-being of the EU?! Come on, you don't have to become the laughing stock of these forums - you sound like you're loosing it, dear
----------

Nation-state democracy≠European Union. Plain and simple
(Ari Gold, 25 September 2014 18:54)

The fact that France and Germany which killed millions of each other last century are in the same Union is European Union's biggest achievement. The first time that peace reigned in Europe for decades. I know you envy it but the solution is not for the European Union to become to like you!!!

How is surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners going to make anything better in Serbia, exactly?
(Ari Gold, 23 September 2014 16:05)

You are in the wrong forum, dear... The news story here is about EU membership. It's not about joining Russia which would mean surrendering your sovereignty and being governed by foreign central planners...

We lived in harmony in the past without restrictions why do we have to now Ari. Many people want to go to Europe and prosper and vice versa sure is not getting better on its on.

Look its not easy in EU but sure is better than Russian umbrella.
(Atila, 26 September 2014 14:12)

Since, for some reason, people (Serbs included) stubbornly refuse to go to the Russian paradise at the same numbers they try to go to the EU, our dear friend Ari wants the freedom of movement in the EU not to exist anymore, so that people can be forced to go to the Russian paradise :) It appears RT News has started to have some effect on our dear friend, Ari.