German participant in LGBT conference injured

Serbian people need to realize that there are many different people in the world with lifestyles different from theirs. Every year people flip out over this issue. People in Serbia are so backward when it comes to this issue and it is rather sickening to beat or almost kill someone because they cannot accept any difference in people. Macho is prevalent there but it is an act.

Serbia is a very hospitable country and very welcoming of foreigners.

I love Serbia and Serbian people, but believe that certain things we should change rather fast. One of the biggest issues here, is the rule of law / law enforcement. any kind of violence is to be condemned and drastically sanctioned. Unfortunately this is not the case, only looking at the most recent cases, where convicted criminals are being set free after a short time is not acceptable. The judicature has to send very strong signals to these people.

On the other hand, also legal uncertainty is still one of the biggest obstacle for foreign investors and this makes it a high risk country. Only to see, that priority court cases can last between 2 and 5 years, there is no reason for this. And Serbia is losing a huge amount of urgently needed fees and taxes, which could be collected much faster if court rulings could be achieved earlier.

The Serbian people should not be forced to accept or tolerate anything that their society considers alien, dangerous or incompatible with their own. In Poland they are also trying their hardest to get our society to accept and tolerate homosexuality as something normal or desirable, when most of us see it as degenerate and deviant. If Western nations see it as acceptable, that is their business, but they should not expect more traditional and conservative Eastern and Central European societies to think in the same way, nor should it have absolutely any bearing in their geopolitical leanings/direction. We don't shove it down their throats, so why are they being so arrogant and disrespectful towards us? They don't force this gay crap on Muslim and African countries, so they? So why us?

That being said, I am 100% against violence towards anybody (except serious offenders, like murderers, rapists, child/woman/animal abusers etc. but that is another topic). The offender should be prosecuted for assault and battery and serve his time. A polite "f#*$ off" would have sufficed, otherwise the West has you for a bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals, rather than a proud, conservative society that will not be told what to believe and think.

The Serbian people should not be forced to accept or tolerate anything that their society considers alien, dangerous or incompatible with their own.
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

I agree. And not respecting gay rights is alien to Serbia's society because those rights are protected by Serbia's Constitution which is the reflection of Serbia's Society.
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In Poland they are also trying their hardest to get our society to accept and tolerate homosexuality as something normal or desirable, when most of us see it as degenerate and deviant.
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

Well, homosexuality exists whether you consider it as normal or not. I hope you are not on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad who famously said that in Iran they do not have this phenomenon :) Also, what you see as degenerate and deviant, means nothing and is irrelevant. If society wants to prevent something, it does that via criminal law - that's how we know what the will of the "most" is.
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They don't force this gay crap on Muslim and African countries, so they? So why us?
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

Serbia is asking to become part of the EU; Muslim and African countries are not. But you need to be civilized to become part of the EU. If not, you are free to join Iran, if you so wish. Perhaps, also convert the Patriarch to Ayatollah to govern Serbia :)

Peter,

There is a simple reason behind why banning homosexuality is stupid. It has nothing to do with you, nothing at all. If two men want to love each other, what is your problem? It`s degenerate? I don`t like people dressed like hippies, should we ban them?

Regarding bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia, there is a word which makes the difference: CONSENT.

Having sex with a child, corpse or animal is not permitted because there is no CONSENT by both parts, which part in this don`t you understand?

If two people are gay and want to have sex with each other, i repeat, it has nothing to do with you. To me polish people are not normal because i think they are degenerate, they have sex before marriage, please can we ban them?

Banning homosexuality is the most illogical thing i`ve ever heard.

PS: You say it`s not normal...well, you`d be surprised to find that every species has its own gay community, ok, my little my-god-told-me-i-should-hate-fags?

PPS: It was the same with slavery. "What, they`re gonna take my slaves away? Yes they are, because of human rights, you stupid religious nutcase."

It is a sexual deviation from the norm, and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations,
such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Thats an old false association trick that no-one here will fall for.

What else is a sexual deviation? masturbation? male/female oral sex? what if my girlfriend puts her finger up my ass (by accident of course)?
Will I find myself scanning the funeral notices in search of fresh corpses to get jiggy with?

What about a dog humping a leg, how do we deal with those degenerate bastards?

Serbia doesn't want people like him pushing their agenda in Serbia. He is an unwelcome guest when he goes to push a political agenda the people don't want.

And what was he doing out at 2 or 3 in the morning?

Why doesn't he go to Zenica and preach the gay agenda to the Islamic peoples there?

"Well, homosexuality exists whether you consider it as normal or not. I hope you are not on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad who famously said that in Iran they do not have this phenomenon :) Also, what you see as degenerate and deviant, means nothing and is irrelevant. If society wants to prevent something, it does that via criminal law - that's how we know what the will of the "most" is.

(icj1, 16 September 2014 05:38)"

Now now, no need to compare me to Ahmadinejad, I am perfectly aware that it exists everywhere, Poland included.

You are very naive if you believe that the criminal law system of a country is representative of the views of the people. Most people are clueless of half of the laws and their respective articles in their own country.

The "most", as you call it, represent the democratic majority that voted a particular party into power to (hopefully) improve/maintain the quality and standards of their lives, surely not based on their gay laws, don't you think? ;)

"But you need to be civilized to become part of the EU.

(icj1, 16 September 2014 05:38)"

How does the tolerance of homosexuals coincide with civilization? It is a sexual deviation from the norm, and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations, such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.

I fail to see the link between the tolerance of a sexual deviation and the state of civilization of a given society, sorry.

Peter, you are here on a Serbian forum, a different country to your own with your opinions. ( ie you are a FOREIGNER with AGENDAs, AIMs AND INTENTIONs)
You are pushing your views on people here. Some of your views are agreeable to the majority here, some are not.
You discuss Russia/Ukraine/Serbia politics, LGBT issues and other items here, would you feel you were asking for it if a few posters found you and physically attacked you?
Whats the difference with what you do and what this guy does and what would it take you to change your mind about the attack?
If the victim was Serbian citizen or a resident would your opinion be different?

"Serbia doesn't want people like him pushing their agenda in Serbia. He is an unwelcome guest when he goes to push a political agenda the people don't want. And what was he doing out at 2 or 3 in the morning?"

(ida, 16 September 2014 04:32)

A woman was raped - 'Why does she go out of the house at all? Why does she wear a skirt? Why don't she wear a burka?'

Final note: I said earlier that I am against this attack and against attacks on gays just because they are gay, but my point still stands that he went to another country with a VERY different set of beliefs regarding societal norms and values and, sorry to say, he knew the risks he was taking and was pretty much asking for it.
(Peter Sudyka, 17 September 2014 12:22)

Yeah, sure, with that logic somebody raped in, say, a park in Belgrade knew the risks she was taking by getting out of home and was pretty much asking for it!!!

Brainless comparison. The German gay guy was a FOREIGNER coming to Serbia with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION, that is what I meant.
(Peter Sudyka, 18 September 2014 20:16)

Well, similar to somebody going to a park in Belgrade, in another neighborhood, with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION... Not sure, dear, what you are trying to say. You sound like "be careful when going to Serbia because it is a dangerous place".... Why there should be any problem for any foreigner going to Serbia without the intention to violate any Serbia laws?!

How does the tolerance of homosexuals coincide with civilization? It is a sexual deviation from the norm
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Well, what is the "norm"? Your "norm" is not my "norm". The only common "norm" that is both yours and mine is the Law and homosexuality is not a deviation from the Law.
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and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations, such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Those are illegal acts and therefore deviations from the norm set by the society, whereas homosexuality is not an illegal act and therefore it's not a deviation of the norm set by the society.

Piscinin

You make a very good point that I admit I overlooked about the question of consent. I stand corrected.

I didn't, however, ever suggest that homosexuality be banned. It is impossible, let alone illogical. I am simply against the concept of allowing a "gay marriage" as a legal entity. This is what I meant to be detrimental to the norms of society, not to mention huge gay pride parades for all to be forced to tolerate and not criticize if it does not fit in to their worldview, not what two consenting adults of the same sex do behind closed doors, that is indeed none of my business.

I also get the feeling that if anyone in the modern Western world were to organize a straight pride parade, it would be seen as an anachronism (some sort of moral dinosaur outlook), while white pride parades are flat out frowned upon, so I don't see what makes gay pride so bloody special.

not to mention huge gay pride parades for all to be forced to tolerate and not criticize if it does not fit in to their worldview
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

Sorry, but who is forcing you not to criticize a gay pride parade?! Criticize it all you want the same way that I may criticize other types of parades. But I have no right to block other people from having a parade if it does not violate the law.
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not what two consenting adults of the same sex do behind closed doors, that is indeed none of my business.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

What about a male and female kissing in a park? Are you going to lynch them?!
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I also get the feeling that if anyone in the modern Western world were to organize a straight pride parade, it would be seen as an anachronism (some sort of moral dinosaur outlook), while white pride parades are flat out frowned upon, so I don't see what makes gay pride so bloody special.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

Well, a straight pride parade, may be seen as an anachronism or not; but that’s not the point. As far as I’m concerned they are free to do it, regardless of what I think about it (as long as they don’t violate the law). That’s why you are correct that a gay pride is nothing so bloody special – they are free to parade like anybody else. Not allowing them to parade is what makes them an exception, i.e. “special”.

Now now, no need to compare me to Ahmadinejad, I am perfectly aware that it exists everywhere, Poland included.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Indeed, which is why I said "I hope you are NOT on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad".
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You are very naive if you believe that the criminal law system of a country is representative of the views of the people. Most people are clueless of half of the laws and their respective articles in their own country.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Well, but it was the majority of those people who approved those laws, it was not the Martians. And, even if you are right (that not even the laws approved by the majority of the people are not representative of the views of the people) then your statement that "most of us see homosexuality as degenerate and deviant" is even less representative of the views of the people because that statement has not even been approved by the majority. It's just you who is trying to sell YOUR views as the views of the people.
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The "most", as you call it, represent the democratic majority that voted a particular party into power to (hopefully) improve/maintain the quality and standards of their lives, surely not based on their gay laws, don't you think? ;)
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Exactly, that proves my point that the laws were approved by the majority of the people and the laws do not consider homosexuality as something that is prohibited.

"Thats an old false association trick that no-one here will fall for."

I already mentioned that I stand corrected on the question of consent, yet maintain my stance about legalizing it.

"What else is a sexual deviation? masturbation?"

No, that's a healthy way to "clean the pipes", so to speak, which is necessary for people, who do not have an active sexual life that want to avoid prostate problems in their later years. Of course, one should do it in private and not in public.

"male/female oral sex?"

I don't see how this is a deviation. Normal sexual activity as long as it's done behind closed doors.

"what if my girlfriend puts her finger up my ass (by accident of course)?"

She should wash her hands afterwards, especially if she plans to eat anything after you guys are done.

"Will I find myself scanning the funeral notices in search of fresh corpses to get jiggy with?"

I hope not, and grave desecration is illegal, but then again, it's your business where you get jiggy with.

"What about a dog humping a leg, how do we deal with those degenerate bastards?
(Dwight, 16 September 2014 19:40)"

Highly irrelevant, since dogs are not bound by criminal law. You can deal with it by laughing at it, because it looks hilarious, if anything.

Peter, Deviation and tolerance and expression of differing opinions and behaviours will only improve society.
I will take it that as a Pole you are Catholic. 1000 years ago in Poland that opinion could have got you killed but now it is considered normal, until recently it would be considered strange if you were Polish and not a Catholic.

It seems that you think that masturbation is normal? The Catholic Church (until recently ) said that this is sexual deviation, they also disagreed with condoms, sex before marriage, divorce. How do you reconcile that with your faith?
So according to your church and your logic, you are a deviant if you masturbate, and you will be having sex with corpses soon?


My point is that you have an idea of normal and I have an idea of normal and so does everyone else and people need to learn to at least tolerate the differences and hopefully have some empathy.
Some kid was nearly killed because he finds guys attractive instead of girls. The worst thing about it is that the victim was born that way but the attacker was not. Someone had to teach him that it was acceptable to smash someones head in because they were gay. The government and the Orthodox church are 2 of those entities that taught him that by glorifiying the people who attacked the gay parade a few years ago and blaming the victims
( I am not picking on Serbs, this is also true of other countries and Catholic Church)

Dwight

"Peter, Deviation and tolerance and expression of differing opinions and behaviours will only improve society."

I can agree that tolerance, differing opinions etc can be beneficial to a given society, sure, in order to develop it and adapt it to a changing world, but once again, it is very much subjective as to precisely what elements can be considered socially acceptable and above all, beneficial to it. One has to consider cultural sensitivity and not break all the rules for the sake of being dynamic and "progressive".

About the Catholic question, you assume too much. Yes, I am Polish, yes, I am NOMINALLY Catholic, but I don't believe in God, nor do I care to remember the last time I went to church (other than as a tourist), nor am I bothered with what the hypocritical Vatican dictates as "right" or "wrong".

On the other hand, Polish culture, society and worldview is directly influenced by their views and therefore I am too, when it comes to certain questions, whether I like it or not.

Final note: I said earlier that I am against this attack and against attacks on gays just because they are gay, but my point still stands that he went to another country with a VERY different set of beliefs regarding societal norms and values and, sorry to say, he knew the risks he was taking and was pretty much asking for it.

icj1

Brainless comparison. The German gay guy was a FOREIGNER coming to Serbia with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION, that is what I meant. There are surely gays living in Serbia that have little or no problems due to the fact that they are gay. Here in Poland, for example, there are known gay celebrities even that live the high life (better than 95% of Poland's entire population) that do not seem to have their heads smashed in for being gay, but at the same time, do not seem to have these almost fanatical agendas that they feel they need to go to more conservative countries than their own to forces their views on others.

How does the rape of a woman compare to this in any possible way?

Well, similar to somebody going to a park in Belgrade, in another neighborhood, with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION... Not sure, dear, what you are trying to say. You sound like "be careful when going to Serbia because it is a dangerous place".... Why there should be any problem for any foreigner going to Serbia without the intention to violate any Serbia laws?!
(icj1, 19 September 2014 03:14)

No, "dear", they are two totally different concepts. I know you are just arguing for the sake of it, but there is no need for it, really, "dear". I have explained it in simple English and anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between a woman, who goes out to take a walk and gets raped, and a LGBT activist, who specifically goes to another country to impose his views, "dear". Day and night, "dear".

It is no problem for foreigners going to Serbia or any other country as long as they respect the ways, culture and norms of the native people, "dear". You wouldn't go to Israel to tell them to "love and respect" the Palestinians now, would you, "dear"?

The Serbian people should not be forced to accept or tolerate anything that their society considers alien, dangerous or incompatible with their own. In Poland they are also trying their hardest to get our society to accept and tolerate homosexuality as something normal or desirable, when most of us see it as degenerate and deviant. If Western nations see it as acceptable, that is their business, but they should not expect more traditional and conservative Eastern and Central European societies to think in the same way, nor should it have absolutely any bearing in their geopolitical leanings/direction. We don't shove it down their throats, so why are they being so arrogant and disrespectful towards us? They don't force this gay crap on Muslim and African countries, so they? So why us?

That being said, I am 100% against violence towards anybody (except serious offenders, like murderers, rapists, child/woman/animal abusers etc. but that is another topic). The offender should be prosecuted for assault and battery and serve his time. A polite "f#*$ off" would have sufficed, otherwise the West has you for a bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals, rather than a proud, conservative society that will not be told what to believe and think.

Serbian people need to realize that there are many different people in the world with lifestyles different from theirs. Every year people flip out over this issue. People in Serbia are so backward when it comes to this issue and it is rather sickening to beat or almost kill someone because they cannot accept any difference in people. Macho is prevalent there but it is an act.

Serbia is a very hospitable country and very welcoming of foreigners.

Serbia doesn't want people like him pushing their agenda in Serbia. He is an unwelcome guest when he goes to push a political agenda the people don't want.

And what was he doing out at 2 or 3 in the morning?

Why doesn't he go to Zenica and preach the gay agenda to the Islamic peoples there?

"Well, homosexuality exists whether you consider it as normal or not. I hope you are not on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad who famously said that in Iran they do not have this phenomenon :) Also, what you see as degenerate and deviant, means nothing and is irrelevant. If society wants to prevent something, it does that via criminal law - that's how we know what the will of the "most" is.

(icj1, 16 September 2014 05:38)"

Now now, no need to compare me to Ahmadinejad, I am perfectly aware that it exists everywhere, Poland included.

You are very naive if you believe that the criminal law system of a country is representative of the views of the people. Most people are clueless of half of the laws and their respective articles in their own country.

The "most", as you call it, represent the democratic majority that voted a particular party into power to (hopefully) improve/maintain the quality and standards of their lives, surely not based on their gay laws, don't you think? ;)

"But you need to be civilized to become part of the EU.

(icj1, 16 September 2014 05:38)"

How does the tolerance of homosexuals coincide with civilization? It is a sexual deviation from the norm, and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations, such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.

I fail to see the link between the tolerance of a sexual deviation and the state of civilization of a given society, sorry.

"Serbia doesn't want people like him pushing their agenda in Serbia. He is an unwelcome guest when he goes to push a political agenda the people don't want. And what was he doing out at 2 or 3 in the morning?"

(ida, 16 September 2014 04:32)

A woman was raped - 'Why does she go out of the house at all? Why does she wear a skirt? Why don't she wear a burka?'

I love Serbia and Serbian people, but believe that certain things we should change rather fast. One of the biggest issues here, is the rule of law / law enforcement. any kind of violence is to be condemned and drastically sanctioned. Unfortunately this is not the case, only looking at the most recent cases, where convicted criminals are being set free after a short time is not acceptable. The judicature has to send very strong signals to these people.

On the other hand, also legal uncertainty is still one of the biggest obstacle for foreign investors and this makes it a high risk country. Only to see, that priority court cases can last between 2 and 5 years, there is no reason for this. And Serbia is losing a huge amount of urgently needed fees and taxes, which could be collected much faster if court rulings could be achieved earlier.

"Thats an old false association trick that no-one here will fall for."

I already mentioned that I stand corrected on the question of consent, yet maintain my stance about legalizing it.

"What else is a sexual deviation? masturbation?"

No, that's a healthy way to "clean the pipes", so to speak, which is necessary for people, who do not have an active sexual life that want to avoid prostate problems in their later years. Of course, one should do it in private and not in public.

"male/female oral sex?"

I don't see how this is a deviation. Normal sexual activity as long as it's done behind closed doors.

"what if my girlfriend puts her finger up my ass (by accident of course)?"

She should wash her hands afterwards, especially if she plans to eat anything after you guys are done.

"Will I find myself scanning the funeral notices in search of fresh corpses to get jiggy with?"

I hope not, and grave desecration is illegal, but then again, it's your business where you get jiggy with.

"What about a dog humping a leg, how do we deal with those degenerate bastards?
(Dwight, 16 September 2014 19:40)"

Highly irrelevant, since dogs are not bound by criminal law. You can deal with it by laughing at it, because it looks hilarious, if anything.

Dwight

"Peter, Deviation and tolerance and expression of differing opinions and behaviours will only improve society."

I can agree that tolerance, differing opinions etc can be beneficial to a given society, sure, in order to develop it and adapt it to a changing world, but once again, it is very much subjective as to precisely what elements can be considered socially acceptable and above all, beneficial to it. One has to consider cultural sensitivity and not break all the rules for the sake of being dynamic and "progressive".

About the Catholic question, you assume too much. Yes, I am Polish, yes, I am NOMINALLY Catholic, but I don't believe in God, nor do I care to remember the last time I went to church (other than as a tourist), nor am I bothered with what the hypocritical Vatican dictates as "right" or "wrong".

On the other hand, Polish culture, society and worldview is directly influenced by their views and therefore I am too, when it comes to certain questions, whether I like it or not.

Final note: I said earlier that I am against this attack and against attacks on gays just because they are gay, but my point still stands that he went to another country with a VERY different set of beliefs regarding societal norms and values and, sorry to say, he knew the risks he was taking and was pretty much asking for it.

icj1

Brainless comparison. The German gay guy was a FOREIGNER coming to Serbia with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION, that is what I meant. There are surely gays living in Serbia that have little or no problems due to the fact that they are gay. Here in Poland, for example, there are known gay celebrities even that live the high life (better than 95% of Poland's entire population) that do not seem to have their heads smashed in for being gay, but at the same time, do not seem to have these almost fanatical agendas that they feel they need to go to more conservative countries than their own to forces their views on others.

How does the rape of a woman compare to this in any possible way?

The Serbian people should not be forced to accept or tolerate anything that their society considers alien, dangerous or incompatible with their own.
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

I agree. And not respecting gay rights is alien to Serbia's society because those rights are protected by Serbia's Constitution which is the reflection of Serbia's Society.
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In Poland they are also trying their hardest to get our society to accept and tolerate homosexuality as something normal or desirable, when most of us see it as degenerate and deviant.
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

Well, homosexuality exists whether you consider it as normal or not. I hope you are not on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad who famously said that in Iran they do not have this phenomenon :) Also, what you see as degenerate and deviant, means nothing and is irrelevant. If society wants to prevent something, it does that via criminal law - that's how we know what the will of the "most" is.
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They don't force this gay crap on Muslim and African countries, so they? So why us?
(Peter Sudyka, 15 September 2014 16:27)

Serbia is asking to become part of the EU; Muslim and African countries are not. But you need to be civilized to become part of the EU. If not, you are free to join Iran, if you so wish. Perhaps, also convert the Patriarch to Ayatollah to govern Serbia :)

Peter,

There is a simple reason behind why banning homosexuality is stupid. It has nothing to do with you, nothing at all. If two men want to love each other, what is your problem? It`s degenerate? I don`t like people dressed like hippies, should we ban them?

Regarding bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia, there is a word which makes the difference: CONSENT.

Having sex with a child, corpse or animal is not permitted because there is no CONSENT by both parts, which part in this don`t you understand?

If two people are gay and want to have sex with each other, i repeat, it has nothing to do with you. To me polish people are not normal because i think they are degenerate, they have sex before marriage, please can we ban them?

Banning homosexuality is the most illogical thing i`ve ever heard.

PS: You say it`s not normal...well, you`d be surprised to find that every species has its own gay community, ok, my little my-god-told-me-i-should-hate-fags?

PPS: It was the same with slavery. "What, they`re gonna take my slaves away? Yes they are, because of human rights, you stupid religious nutcase."

Piscinin

You make a very good point that I admit I overlooked about the question of consent. I stand corrected.

I didn't, however, ever suggest that homosexuality be banned. It is impossible, let alone illogical. I am simply against the concept of allowing a "gay marriage" as a legal entity. This is what I meant to be detrimental to the norms of society, not to mention huge gay pride parades for all to be forced to tolerate and not criticize if it does not fit in to their worldview, not what two consenting adults of the same sex do behind closed doors, that is indeed none of my business.

I also get the feeling that if anyone in the modern Western world were to organize a straight pride parade, it would be seen as an anachronism (some sort of moral dinosaur outlook), while white pride parades are flat out frowned upon, so I don't see what makes gay pride so bloody special.

Now now, no need to compare me to Ahmadinejad, I am perfectly aware that it exists everywhere, Poland included.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Indeed, which is why I said "I hope you are NOT on the same league with Mr. Ahmadinejad".
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You are very naive if you believe that the criminal law system of a country is representative of the views of the people. Most people are clueless of half of the laws and their respective articles in their own country.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Well, but it was the majority of those people who approved those laws, it was not the Martians. And, even if you are right (that not even the laws approved by the majority of the people are not representative of the views of the people) then your statement that "most of us see homosexuality as degenerate and deviant" is even less representative of the views of the people because that statement has not even been approved by the majority. It's just you who is trying to sell YOUR views as the views of the people.
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The "most", as you call it, represent the democratic majority that voted a particular party into power to (hopefully) improve/maintain the quality and standards of their lives, surely not based on their gay laws, don't you think? ;)
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Exactly, that proves my point that the laws were approved by the majority of the people and the laws do not consider homosexuality as something that is prohibited.

Well, similar to somebody going to a park in Belgrade, in another neighborhood, with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION... Not sure, dear, what you are trying to say. You sound like "be careful when going to Serbia because it is a dangerous place".... Why there should be any problem for any foreigner going to Serbia without the intention to violate any Serbia laws?!
(icj1, 19 September 2014 03:14)

No, "dear", they are two totally different concepts. I know you are just arguing for the sake of it, but there is no need for it, really, "dear". I have explained it in simple English and anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between a woman, who goes out to take a walk and gets raped, and a LGBT activist, who specifically goes to another country to impose his views, "dear". Day and night, "dear".

It is no problem for foreigners going to Serbia or any other country as long as they respect the ways, culture and norms of the native people, "dear". You wouldn't go to Israel to tell them to "love and respect" the Palestinians now, would you, "dear"?

It is a sexual deviation from the norm, and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations,
such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Thats an old false association trick that no-one here will fall for.

What else is a sexual deviation? masturbation? male/female oral sex? what if my girlfriend puts her finger up my ass (by accident of course)?
Will I find myself scanning the funeral notices in search of fresh corpses to get jiggy with?

What about a dog humping a leg, how do we deal with those degenerate bastards?

not to mention huge gay pride parades for all to be forced to tolerate and not criticize if it does not fit in to their worldview
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

Sorry, but who is forcing you not to criticize a gay pride parade?! Criticize it all you want the same way that I may criticize other types of parades. But I have no right to block other people from having a parade if it does not violate the law.
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not what two consenting adults of the same sex do behind closed doors, that is indeed none of my business.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

What about a male and female kissing in a park? Are you going to lynch them?!
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I also get the feeling that if anyone in the modern Western world were to organize a straight pride parade, it would be seen as an anachronism (some sort of moral dinosaur outlook), while white pride parades are flat out frowned upon, so I don't see what makes gay pride so bloody special.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 19:32)

Well, a straight pride parade, may be seen as an anachronism or not; but that’s not the point. As far as I’m concerned they are free to do it, regardless of what I think about it (as long as they don’t violate the law). That’s why you are correct that a gay pride is nothing so bloody special – they are free to parade like anybody else. Not allowing them to parade is what makes them an exception, i.e. “special”.

How does the tolerance of homosexuals coincide with civilization? It is a sexual deviation from the norm
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Well, what is the "norm"? Your "norm" is not my "norm". The only common "norm" that is both yours and mine is the Law and homosexuality is not a deviation from the Law.
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and such deviations to the norm can serve as a precedent to the permission of other deviations, such as paedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia.
(Peter Sudyka, 16 September 2014 13:40)

Those are illegal acts and therefore deviations from the norm set by the society, whereas homosexuality is not an illegal act and therefore it's not a deviation of the norm set by the society.

Peter, Deviation and tolerance and expression of differing opinions and behaviours will only improve society.
I will take it that as a Pole you are Catholic. 1000 years ago in Poland that opinion could have got you killed but now it is considered normal, until recently it would be considered strange if you were Polish and not a Catholic.

It seems that you think that masturbation is normal? The Catholic Church (until recently ) said that this is sexual deviation, they also disagreed with condoms, sex before marriage, divorce. How do you reconcile that with your faith?
So according to your church and your logic, you are a deviant if you masturbate, and you will be having sex with corpses soon?


My point is that you have an idea of normal and I have an idea of normal and so does everyone else and people need to learn to at least tolerate the differences and hopefully have some empathy.
Some kid was nearly killed because he finds guys attractive instead of girls. The worst thing about it is that the victim was born that way but the attacker was not. Someone had to teach him that it was acceptable to smash someones head in because they were gay. The government and the Orthodox church are 2 of those entities that taught him that by glorifiying the people who attacked the gay parade a few years ago and blaming the victims
( I am not picking on Serbs, this is also true of other countries and Catholic Church)

Final note: I said earlier that I am against this attack and against attacks on gays just because they are gay, but my point still stands that he went to another country with a VERY different set of beliefs regarding societal norms and values and, sorry to say, he knew the risks he was taking and was pretty much asking for it.
(Peter Sudyka, 17 September 2014 12:22)

Yeah, sure, with that logic somebody raped in, say, a park in Belgrade knew the risks she was taking by getting out of home and was pretty much asking for it!!!

Brainless comparison. The German gay guy was a FOREIGNER coming to Serbia with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION, that is what I meant.
(Peter Sudyka, 18 September 2014 20:16)

Well, similar to somebody going to a park in Belgrade, in another neighborhood, with a SPECIFIC AGENDA, AIM AND INTENTION... Not sure, dear, what you are trying to say. You sound like "be careful when going to Serbia because it is a dangerous place".... Why there should be any problem for any foreigner going to Serbia without the intention to violate any Serbia laws?!

Peter, you are here on a Serbian forum, a different country to your own with your opinions. ( ie you are a FOREIGNER with AGENDAs, AIMs AND INTENTIONs)
You are pushing your views on people here. Some of your views are agreeable to the majority here, some are not.
You discuss Russia/Ukraine/Serbia politics, LGBT issues and other items here, would you feel you were asking for it if a few posters found you and physically attacked you?
Whats the difference with what you do and what this guy does and what would it take you to change your mind about the attack?
If the victim was Serbian citizen or a resident would your opinion be different?