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Friday, 12.09.2014.

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Stronger China-Russia ties "against external risks"

China and Russia should strengthen their ties against the rise of "external risks", Chinese President Xi Jinping has said.

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icj1

pre 9 godina

Most governments haven't declared themselves yet
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

Of course they have. At least, 100 governments, i.e. the majority, have declared that they don't agree with Russia regarding Ukraine.
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and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

So YOU speak for the people and not their elected governments!!! This is typical of somebody running out of arguments and therefore falling back to it is so just because you say so and the readers of this forum have to act like the Russian populace and just accept it because a certain Peggy said so.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
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Most governments haven't declared themselves yet and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia and China on the rise, while the USA and Great Britain are falling.
(james, 15 September 2014 10:16)
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Exactly. Did you happen to catch when Cameron asked "Was it me?"
He said to the Scotts that he won't be the PM forver. Can you believe how desperate the English are to hold onto Scotland?

icj1

pre 9 godina

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Good for you.... You need to find somebody to siege you, though :)
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Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
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I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, not. Go ahead and do it. And then, what?!
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I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course; me too... I don't see Russia retreating from the path to its own collapse.
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It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, as every other winter...

rote

pre 9 godina

To icj1, arn. and the rest

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege and we feel strength to win the US and it puddles. We understand that our living standards will be much lower. Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side. India and Pakistan are very likely to enter Shanghai Organization soon. Wide scale drills conducted these days in the Russian far east are open preparation for a war against a nuclear power. They march 300 km they change airdromes and do other things that can be of use in case of direct war with the US and they do not mask it. More than 100 000 troops are involved. I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.

Also Russia hinted it can develop American kind unarming first strike worldwide system. Same things are happening in the economics and around Ukraine. I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.Two days ago he stopped to call Donbass as “eastern regions of Ukraine”. He came out of the church in the Moscow University where the Russian volunteer battalions are formed and said that that he prayed for the “combat and civil victims of Novorossia” ! Next day he used words like “the PM of DNR”. Each time Russia is threatened General Frost comes to help us. It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Russia rejects accusations of involvement in the war in Ukraine, and has announced measures to counter the latest round of sanctions imposed against it."

True! The world knows that the 100s-1000s of Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine have been there only there 'spending their holidays', the tanks and military equipment they brought with them and the uniforms without state insignia they were wearing were bought in the supermarkets.

rote

pre 9 godina

What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

(The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35)


Pussy you know that downshifting is not my way while any discussions with infusoriums will drop me to your level. And it's exactly what I'd like to avoid.

icj1

pre 9 godina

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan.
(Paul, 13 September 2014 22:16)

You're so confused, dear. The situation China wants to see in Taiwan is totally opposite to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. That's why China made sure to state its position that China respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Next idiot ? - to (The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35).

Your post seems very confused -
nobody called me an Idiot - and - what did I agree with you - ?

Its impossible to logically understand.

Either you are an Idiot or you has misunderstod.

By the way -

No I would never stand on the side of - the your so called - Count of Kosovo -

It will rather be - The Serbian så called - Count of Kosovo - and this Count will in a shorth time come to Hunt You - it will be wery severe - you will see when - Your so Called Count of Kosova will end up in Albania.

Arn.

Paul

pre 9 godina

Finally, the Russian Federation is turning to its other neighbor in the East. It's only natural that there be some economic cooperation and opportunity between such two large and prosperous industrial powers. External threats also includes the threat of Islam as it stirs the Uighurs as it continues to stir Muslims in Russia. Russia seems to have a handle on them like the Chinese do not.

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan. But not even Russia has had to cope with foreign domination anything like the Chinese have.

The Count of Kosova

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting. ( Namely, Rote )
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 13 September 2014 06:48)

rote,
What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

icj1

pre 9 godina

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:36)

Apologies for asking... Obviously, since even you had no idea what you wrote meant, there's no point asking you to clarify.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting.
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

How was Crimea obstructing access to Russia to its southern ports?! When was the last time that you looked at a map, dear? It is Turkey that controls the access of Russia to its Southern ports, but obviously Putin is not that crazy to mess up with Turkey :)
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and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

and what's the benefit of having a destroyed piece of Uraine?!!! In addition, according to Putin's propaganda it is not Russia that controls Eastern Ukraine, but it is a local revolt. But, obviously even you does not believe that garbage :)
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On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

Precisely the same as Putin haha
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As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

So, you're saying that Putin will achieve nothing other than paying for the impoverished Crimea and a destroyed Eastern Ukraine and paying with the blood of the Russian soldiers who are returning (from "vacation") to their families in coffins! Thanks for proving my point, dear.

Bozo the Greek

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hello my compatriot, you must not live in Europe otherwise you would know the Euro is dropping like a rock. The Euro has been devalued from 1.38 US dollars to below $1.29 in just a few short weeks with no sign of letting up. At that rate 1 Euro will equal $1.00 by Christmas. Hence, there will be no Ouzo for you in your Christmas stocking this year or in the foreseeable future. I hope you can retain your job in these difficult economic times.

sj

pre 9 godina

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.
(G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46)

So what is it wainting for? Like Washington you are another windbag or all talk and no action.

G.I. Joe

pre 9 godina

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.

icj1

pre 9 godina

In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

Ha, ha, brilliant... And then what? What will Putin make out of it even if stars align and he achieves that? Just a bit of info for you... We are in 2014, not 1814 :)

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38&version=KJ21

Magog is China and Mesek and Tubal is Moscow and Tubolsk.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39&version=KJ21

China was the first country Putin visited regarding the Ukraine crisis,
if that tells you something.
Now China speaks of cooperation against external threaths.

Draw your own conclusions however -

Your Military,Strategicanl tactical understanding of War are limited.
You dont wage War with those missiles you mentions,
they are only for MAD.

Arn,

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
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(icj1,

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...
(icj1,

To compare Putin's contact in Ukraine with Bush's one in Iraq means that you haven't got a clue of what's been happening in those countries.Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine. He has played his main bargaining chip against sanctions - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably and it's happening already ( EU countries are already suffering energy cuts).On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.

rote

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !. . (Arn.Sweden

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?

icj1

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
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I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...

icj1

pre 9 godina

The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hmm, the only foreign soldiers in Ukraine we know for sure about (thanks to the news from reputable agencies like RT News, etc) are the Russian ones. Are you suggesting that it is the US which is funding them? In addition, you are ignoring the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj who has already decreed that the US has run out of cash and therefore cannot be funding anything. My advise to you: make sure to get acquainted with the brilliant research of the CE sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !.

arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 12 September 2014 11:16)

They must stay united in order to overcome the US financed proxy wars in Europe and Asia.China is experiencing the same threats as Russia because of US sponsored resurgent Japanese militarism.What a sad country the US has become.The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !.

arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 12 September 2014 11:16)

They must stay united in order to overcome the US financed proxy wars in Europe and Asia.China is experiencing the same threats as Russia because of US sponsored resurgent Japanese militarism.What a sad country the US has become.The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.

rote

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !. . (Arn.Sweden

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?

sj

pre 9 godina

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.
(G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46)

So what is it wainting for? Like Washington you are another windbag or all talk and no action.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...
(icj1,

To compare Putin's contact in Ukraine with Bush's one in Iraq means that you haven't got a clue of what's been happening in those countries.Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine. He has played his main bargaining chip against sanctions - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably and it's happening already ( EU countries are already suffering energy cuts).On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
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(icj1,

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.

Bozo the Greek

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hello my compatriot, you must not live in Europe otherwise you would know the Euro is dropping like a rock. The Euro has been devalued from 1.38 US dollars to below $1.29 in just a few short weeks with no sign of letting up. At that rate 1 Euro will equal $1.00 by Christmas. Hence, there will be no Ouzo for you in your Christmas stocking this year or in the foreseeable future. I hope you can retain your job in these difficult economic times.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38&version=KJ21

Magog is China and Mesek and Tubal is Moscow and Tubolsk.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39&version=KJ21

China was the first country Putin visited regarding the Ukraine crisis,
if that tells you something.
Now China speaks of cooperation against external threaths.

Draw your own conclusions however -

Your Military,Strategicanl tactical understanding of War are limited.
You dont wage War with those missiles you mentions,
they are only for MAD.

Arn,

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting.
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
----------

I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...

Paul

pre 9 godina

Finally, the Russian Federation is turning to its other neighbor in the East. It's only natural that there be some economic cooperation and opportunity between such two large and prosperous industrial powers. External threats also includes the threat of Islam as it stirs the Uighurs as it continues to stir Muslims in Russia. Russia seems to have a handle on them like the Chinese do not.

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan. But not even Russia has had to cope with foreign domination anything like the Chinese have.

rote

pre 9 godina

What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

(The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35)


Pussy you know that downshifting is not my way while any discussions with infusoriums will drop me to your level. And it's exactly what I'd like to avoid.

rote

pre 9 godina

To icj1, arn. and the rest

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege and we feel strength to win the US and it puddles. We understand that our living standards will be much lower. Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side. India and Pakistan are very likely to enter Shanghai Organization soon. Wide scale drills conducted these days in the Russian far east are open preparation for a war against a nuclear power. They march 300 km they change airdromes and do other things that can be of use in case of direct war with the US and they do not mask it. More than 100 000 troops are involved. I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.

Also Russia hinted it can develop American kind unarming first strike worldwide system. Same things are happening in the economics and around Ukraine. I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.Two days ago he stopped to call Donbass as “eastern regions of Ukraine”. He came out of the church in the Moscow University where the Russian volunteer battalions are formed and said that that he prayed for the “combat and civil victims of Novorossia” ! Next day he used words like “the PM of DNR”. Each time Russia is threatened General Frost comes to help us. It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hmm, the only foreign soldiers in Ukraine we know for sure about (thanks to the news from reputable agencies like RT News, etc) are the Russian ones. Are you suggesting that it is the US which is funding them? In addition, you are ignoring the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj who has already decreed that the US has run out of cash and therefore cannot be funding anything. My advise to you: make sure to get acquainted with the brilliant research of the CE sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 9 godina

In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

Ha, ha, brilliant... And then what? What will Putin make out of it even if stars align and he achieves that? Just a bit of info for you... We are in 2014, not 1814 :)

G.I. Joe

pre 9 godina

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.

icj1

pre 9 godina

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:36)

Apologies for asking... Obviously, since even you had no idea what you wrote meant, there's no point asking you to clarify.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

How was Crimea obstructing access to Russia to its southern ports?! When was the last time that you looked at a map, dear? It is Turkey that controls the access of Russia to its Southern ports, but obviously Putin is not that crazy to mess up with Turkey :)
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and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

and what's the benefit of having a destroyed piece of Uraine?!!! In addition, according to Putin's propaganda it is not Russia that controls Eastern Ukraine, but it is a local revolt. But, obviously even you does not believe that garbage :)
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On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

Precisely the same as Putin haha
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As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

So, you're saying that Putin will achieve nothing other than paying for the impoverished Crimea and a destroyed Eastern Ukraine and paying with the blood of the Russian soldiers who are returning (from "vacation") to their families in coffins! Thanks for proving my point, dear.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Good for you.... You need to find somebody to siege you, though :)
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Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
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I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, not. Go ahead and do it. And then, what?!
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I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course; me too... I don't see Russia retreating from the path to its own collapse.
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It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, as every other winter...

The Count of Kosova

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting. ( Namely, Rote )
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 13 September 2014 06:48)

rote,
What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Next idiot ? - to (The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35).

Your post seems very confused -
nobody called me an Idiot - and - what did I agree with you - ?

Its impossible to logically understand.

Either you are an Idiot or you has misunderstod.

By the way -

No I would never stand on the side of - the your so called - Count of Kosovo -

It will rather be - The Serbian så called - Count of Kosovo - and this Count will in a shorth time come to Hunt You - it will be wery severe - you will see when - Your so Called Count of Kosova will end up in Albania.

Arn.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Most governments haven't declared themselves yet
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

Of course they have. At least, 100 governments, i.e. the majority, have declared that they don't agree with Russia regarding Ukraine.
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and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

So YOU speak for the people and not their elected governments!!! This is typical of somebody running out of arguments and therefore falling back to it is so just because you say so and the readers of this forum have to act like the Russian populace and just accept it because a certain Peggy said so.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Russia rejects accusations of involvement in the war in Ukraine, and has announced measures to counter the latest round of sanctions imposed against it."

True! The world knows that the 100s-1000s of Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine have been there only there 'spending their holidays', the tanks and military equipment they brought with them and the uniforms without state insignia they were wearing were bought in the supermarkets.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
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Most governments haven't declared themselves yet and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia and China on the rise, while the USA and Great Britain are falling.
(james, 15 September 2014 10:16)
=============================
Exactly. Did you happen to catch when Cameron asked "Was it me?"
He said to the Scotts that he won't be the PM forver. Can you believe how desperate the English are to hold onto Scotland?

icj1

pre 9 godina

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan.
(Paul, 13 September 2014 22:16)

You're so confused, dear. The situation China wants to see in Taiwan is totally opposite to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. That's why China made sure to state its position that China respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hmm, the only foreign soldiers in Ukraine we know for sure about (thanks to the news from reputable agencies like RT News, etc) are the Russian ones. Are you suggesting that it is the US which is funding them? In addition, you are ignoring the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj who has already decreed that the US has run out of cash and therefore cannot be funding anything. My advise to you: make sure to get acquainted with the brilliant research of the CE sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

G.I. Joe

pre 9 godina

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
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I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...

icj1

pre 9 godina

In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?
(rote, 12 September 2014 15:43)

Ha, ha, brilliant... And then what? What will Putin make out of it even if stars align and he achieves that? Just a bit of info for you... We are in 2014, not 1814 :)

icj1

pre 9 godina

Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

How was Crimea obstructing access to Russia to its southern ports?! When was the last time that you looked at a map, dear? It is Turkey that controls the access of Russia to its Southern ports, but obviously Putin is not that crazy to mess up with Turkey :)
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and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

and what's the benefit of having a destroyed piece of Uraine?!!! In addition, according to Putin's propaganda it is not Russia that controls Eastern Ukraine, but it is a local revolt. But, obviously even you does not believe that garbage :)
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On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

Precisely the same as Putin haha
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As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:30)

So, you're saying that Putin will achieve nothing other than paying for the impoverished Crimea and a destroyed Eastern Ukraine and paying with the blood of the Russian soldiers who are returning (from "vacation") to their families in coffins! Thanks for proving my point, dear.

rote

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !. . (Arn.Sweden

What war are you talking about ? Who is that suicide who will dare to have a look at Russia ? Even in Washington they are bastards but not idiots. Have you heard anything about the tactical and middle range missiles treaty ? If only Russia abandons the treaty all European troops will be bare against 5000 missiles capable to carry any arms with no exclusion. Tell me also who is going to send their troops against the Russians ? Do you know that it’s been 6-7 months that tens of thousands Russian reservists without any advertising are already drafted for the 2-month drills ? In 1945 Marshal Zhukov offered Stalin to “f*ck them all” and seize Europe. Stalin refused … But who knows what Putin will decide in the end if they dare again to move their traditional Drang nach Osten ?

icj1

pre 9 godina

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 19:36)

Apologies for asking... Obviously, since even you had no idea what you wrote meant, there's no point asking you to clarify.

The Count of Kosova

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting. ( Namely, Rote )
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 13 September 2014 06:48)

rote,
What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Russia and China will be allies in War !.

arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 12 September 2014 11:16)

They must stay united in order to overcome the US financed proxy wars in Europe and Asia.China is experiencing the same threats as Russia because of US sponsored resurgent Japanese militarism.What a sad country the US has become.The US media has kept the population in the dark and it will be interesting to watch what happens when they realize they have been duped,judging from all the apathy throughout the American population during the US funded atrocities in Odessa,Mariupol,Lughansk- Ukraine and the ME, I suspect will all just slink further into their couches and deeper into poverty.The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
I've said few times before that Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles.He's executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground and he's winning again.Western threats of sanctions have never worked on great powers in the past and they won't work again.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Good for you.... You need to find somebody to siege you, though :)
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Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
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I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, not. Go ahead and do it. And then, what?!
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I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course; me too... I don't see Russia retreating from the path to its own collapse.
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It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

Of course, as every other winter...

rote

pre 9 godina

To icj1, arn. and the rest

Russia is not going to surrender. The whole nation is getting ready for a decade long siege and we feel strength to win the US and it puddles. We understand that our living standards will be much lower. Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side. India and Pakistan are very likely to enter Shanghai Organization soon. Wide scale drills conducted these days in the Russian far east are open preparation for a war against a nuclear power. They march 300 km they change airdromes and do other things that can be of use in case of direct war with the US and they do not mask it. More than 100 000 troops are involved. I suppose NATO has nothing to answer if we abandon the middle and small range missiles treaty.

Also Russia hinted it can develop American kind unarming first strike worldwide system. Same things are happening in the economics and around Ukraine. I follow the events and I can see not a single sign that Russia is to retreat.Two days ago he stopped to call Donbass as “eastern regions of Ukraine”. He came out of the church in the Moscow University where the Russian volunteer battalions are formed and said that that he prayed for the “combat and civil victims of Novorossia” ! Next day he used words like “the PM of DNR”. Each time Russia is threatened General Frost comes to help us. It only means that this winter will be very cold in Europe.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

Yep, Putin is playing chess by improvising every day making even Bush's war in Iraq look like a strategic masterpiece in comparison. Nobody has ever explained how does Putin plan to keep 30+ million Ukrainians under submission, who will pay for that and, even if he succeeds, what will the benefit be (at least, Bush went to Iraq for the oil, among other things)! Obviously, Putin has forgotten that the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union started with Afghanistan 10 years earlier - and history repeats...
(icj1,

To compare Putin's contact in Ukraine with Bush's one in Iraq means that you haven't got a clue of what's been happening in those countries.Putin has achieved his objective of effectively re-taking the Crimea - allowing Russia unobstructed access to its southern ports and also controlling most of Eastern Ukraine. He has played his main bargaining chip against sanctions - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably and it's happening already ( EU countries are already suffering energy cuts).On the other hand Bush (mission accomplished)left Iraq defeated with his head between his legs and a country totally destroyed.
As to the 30 million Ukrainians and their debts will be left to their nazi trash and the EU/US to sort out and winter is on the horizon.

Leonidas

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

I think even you have no idea what the above means. You probably wrote it in your sleep :) But I trust that you're into something after you give it some more thought!
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(icj1,

It means exactly what it says on the tin.If your English vocabulary doesn't help you may I suggest that you phone a friend who can.

Bozo the Greek

pre 9 godina

The statue of Liberty is flailing her arms around trying to smash anyone who threatens the dollar soon to drown by the BRICS bi and multi lateral agreements.
(Leonidas, 12 September 2014 12:42)

Hello my compatriot, you must not live in Europe otherwise you would know the Euro is dropping like a rock. The Euro has been devalued from 1.38 US dollars to below $1.29 in just a few short weeks with no sign of letting up. At that rate 1 Euro will equal $1.00 by Christmas. Hence, there will be no Ouzo for you in your Christmas stocking this year or in the foreseeable future. I hope you can retain your job in these difficult economic times.

sj

pre 9 godina

One US nuclear bomb and Russia will be toast. Our missiles are closer to Russia than you could ever imagine. Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.
(G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46)

So what is it wainting for? Like Washington you are another windbag or all talk and no action.

icj1

pre 9 godina

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan.
(Paul, 13 September 2014 22:16)

You're so confused, dear. The situation China wants to see in Taiwan is totally opposite to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. That's why China made sure to state its position that China respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"Russia rejects accusations of involvement in the war in Ukraine, and has announced measures to counter the latest round of sanctions imposed against it."

True! The world knows that the 100s-1000s of Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine have been there only there 'spending their holidays', the tanks and military equipment they brought with them and the uniforms without state insignia they were wearing were bought in the supermarkets.

rote

pre 9 godina

What say you, Arn. Sweden has called you an idiot! Sorry, but I must agree with him. However, I've never seen you not defend yourself. Are you starting to agree with us.

(The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35)


Pussy you know that downshifting is not my way while any discussions with infusoriums will drop me to your level. And it's exactly what I'd like to avoid.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38&version=KJ21

Magog is China and Mesek and Tubal is Moscow and Tubolsk.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39&version=KJ21

China was the first country Putin visited regarding the Ukraine crisis,
if that tells you something.
Now China speaks of cooperation against external threaths.

Draw your own conclusions however -

Your Military,Strategicanl tactical understanding of War are limited.
You dont wage War with those missiles you mentions,
they are only for MAD.

Arn,

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

TO - (G.I. Joe, 12 September 2014 23:46).

You seems to bee a bigger Idiot than the one you are commenting.
Nobody can defeat Russia in a Nuclear War without comitting National Suicide.
That would be the outcome even if all Nuclear powered Nations upon earth,
joined in against Her.

By Budala !.

Arn.Sweden.

Paul

pre 9 godina

Finally, the Russian Federation is turning to its other neighbor in the East. It's only natural that there be some economic cooperation and opportunity between such two large and prosperous industrial powers. External threats also includes the threat of Islam as it stirs the Uighurs as it continues to stir Muslims in Russia. Russia seems to have a handle on them like the Chinese do not.

No doubt China envies Russia's handle on the situation in Ukraine, perhaps it would like to see a similar situation in Taiwan. But not even Russia has had to cope with foreign domination anything like the Chinese have.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia is the only target to threaten the new order but half of the mankind is on our side.
(rote, 15 September 2014 07:59)

You mean Mars' mankind?! Because it is hard to find a country on Earth that supports what Russia has done in Ukraine.
===================================
Most governments haven't declared themselves yet and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.

icj1

pre 9 godina

Most governments haven't declared themselves yet
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

Of course they have. At least, 100 governments, i.e. the majority, have declared that they don't agree with Russia regarding Ukraine.
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and even if most governments declare they don't support Russia, THEIR OWN PEOPLE DO.
You see, governments don't always speak for their people.
(Peggy, 16 September 2014 23:13)

So YOU speak for the people and not their elected governments!!! This is typical of somebody running out of arguments and therefore falling back to it is so just because you say so and the readers of this forum have to act like the Russian populace and just accept it because a certain Peggy said so.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Next idiot ? - to (The Count of Kosova, 13 September 2014 19:35).

Your post seems very confused -
nobody called me an Idiot - and - what did I agree with you - ?

Its impossible to logically understand.

Either you are an Idiot or you has misunderstod.

By the way -

No I would never stand on the side of - the your so called - Count of Kosovo -

It will rather be - The Serbian så called - Count of Kosovo - and this Count will in a shorth time come to Hunt You - it will be wery severe - you will see when - Your so Called Count of Kosova will end up in Albania.

Arn.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia and China on the rise, while the USA and Great Britain are falling.
(james, 15 September 2014 10:16)
=============================
Exactly. Did you happen to catch when Cameron asked "Was it me?"
He said to the Scotts that he won't be the PM forver. Can you believe how desperate the English are to hold onto Scotland?