President: Bunjevci are neither Serbs nor Croats

I've been connected with the former Yugoslavia for over 40 years and I still can't see any substantial difference between Serbs and Croats except for religion.

Diplomatically, it's wise to say that the Bunjevci are neither Serb nor Croat, but I can recall, many years ago, an old Chetnik telling me that Croats are merely Catholic Serbs, to which I replied that by the same token Serbs are merely Orthodox Croats....He didn't like that very much.

So, what are the Bunjevci? Simple - they're Yugoslavs

@bum bum

So what if the Bunjevci are croats (research shows not all identify as croat), the official written language of Serbia is Cyrillic. Nikolic donated these books as a gesture of goodwill, whereas Serbs in Vukovar who are entitled by Croatian law to have signage in Cyrillic provided for them are victimized. I distinctly remember people like you and of your ilk proclaiming that the latin alphabet was the official language of croatia and Serbs should move back home if they don't like it. Funny, I don't hear the same hate-speech rhetoric from Serbs regarding croat or Bunjevci minorities. And don't give me that cop-out argument about the wars in the 1990s and what the Serbs did in Vukovar, and I won't harp on Jasenovac. That was then, this is now. I think Nikolic's gesture is great. I believe the books were reviewed and approved by Bunjevci authorities. So regarding ethnic minorites and the written language, what's good for the goose is good for the gander my dear bum bum.

Catholic Bunjevci are traditionally Croats. Nikolic needs to learn history. What do you expect from a Serb with an I.Q of 5.

Nikolić told a press release that the authors of the textbooks "were appointed by the Bunjevac Ethnic Council." Their go the nuty criminal Serbs in the neibouring countrys Bunjevac are recogonized as Croatians. As far as the "Bunjevac council" all are self appointed criminal goverment Serbs pretending to be Bunjevac. Just like other comuneties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Serbia highjacked by criminal fascist Serb goverments as usual. Criminal Serbian fascist govements making freinds as usual with deciet and subterfuge.

Bunjevci in Serbia (and everywhere) are what they declare, aren\'t they? This principle has to
apply to all peoples that have a good opportunity
to come out with their free will, hasn\'t it?

So, what are the Bunjevci? Simple - they're Yugoslavs
(TP, 10 September 2014 16:01)
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I think that people are whatever they declare themselves to be and saying that they are Yuogoslav is fine as long as they themselves say it.
Yugoslavia is gone so nobody can really claim that now but if some wish to good luck to them.
As far as you saying that if Croatians are Catholic Serbs then Serbs are Orthodox Croatians I disagree. You see, many Serbs were forced to convert to Catholisism during WW2 and if these 'Croatians' are to dig into their ancestry they would find that many are indeed of Serbian stock but you cannot say the same for any Orthodox living in Croatia or anywhere else. Serbs never forced anyone to convert, therefore, any Orthodox is obviously a Serb.

Peggy, I get what you're saying, but just because the West declares that Yugoslavia no longer exists, or because its territorial integrity is no longer in place, doesn't make that a fact of life. My country, England (which is NOT Britain, by the way)technically does not exist either because British (mostly Scots and Welsh) politicians have said as much, whereas Scotland and Wales, by their reckoning, do exist as nations.

Once again, I ask a simple question that few people want to answer - what are the differences between Serbs and Croats other than separate liturgies of the same religion? You speak the same language, with some dialectical differences that are less than those between London and Manchester; your cuisine is the same and your folklore (a vital measure of national identity) varies no more or less than it does inside of each 'country', and even after centuries of not co-existing within the same empires.

So what is all this talk about Serbian or Croatian 'stock'.

i'm consistantly impressed with lenard and bambams extra-national knowledge. they seem to know every single croatian person on the planet. i can't imagine how they find time to even show off their knowledge.
from their cosy keyboards, they were able to identify the interlopers as serbs, and not authentic croats. you guys really should start your own psy-ops agency.

@IVO

Yes, there does seem to be a slight genetic difference between Serbs & Croats, but there are also many similarities. Check this link out buddy:

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/zagreb-in-a-panic-scientifically-proven-that-croats-are-descendants-of-serbs-2687972.html

"Zagreb in a panic: Scientifically proven that Croats are descendents of Serbs."

So what is all this talk about Serbian or Croatian 'stock'.
(TP, 11 September 2014 14:59)
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Obviously a great deal. There has been a lot of bloodshed because of it. Religion is the main difference. I guess you can ask the same question about Northern Ireland. Why so much hatred? Same people, two religions which means everything to them and yet we find that Catholics protestsnts and Orthodox can live in peace in some places like in England or Serbia.
People are who they feel they are not who we want them to be.
Take Bosnian Muslims as an example. They are not a separate ethnic group but Serbs and to a lesser extent Croats converted to Islam by the Turks. I am sure they know that but since they are not Christian they don't want to acknowledge their ancestry therefore have the need to make up a totally different ethnicity.
Then we have countries like the US or Australia who come from English stock originally but now are made up of the entire world. A new nationality had to be born to accommodate. Ethnicity of the people from non Anglo background will always remain the same which means that Anglo people idetify with nationality rather than ethnicity so find it hard to grasp how the rest of the world works.

@TP

GENTIC TESTING HAS PROVEN THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CROATS AND SERBS.

@TP

GENTIC TESTING HAS PROVEN THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CROATS AND SERBS.
(IVO, 11 September 2014 17:27)

The biggest difference is a 25 point gap in I.Q. It is obvious which group has the superior intellect. Need I say more.

IVO:

First, where is this evidence and who was responsible for producing it?

Second, there are genetic differences between people living in different parts of England - and I mean England, NOT Britain. This is more or less true for people within other countries, too.

Third, if Croats want to be part of the West, then the idea of building national identity on the basis of DNA should not be your priority. No civilised nation does that any more.

From my book: "I would like to acknowledge a debt of gratitude to those linguists and historians who have proved one thing beyond all doubt—that the Padjans/Padjens were a Bunjevci clan. (This is very significant, as will be seen.) I will now turn this description around: the Padjans were not a Bunjevci clan; the Bunjevci, or at least the Padjans among them, were Slavicized Padjanaks. (The Hungarians endeavored to show formally in Paris in the early 1900s that the Bunjevci were the remains of the Cumans. The Hungarians almost had it right. Who knows? There may well have been Cumans among the Padjanaks known as Bunjevci. At any rate, my yDNA proves that the Bunjevci, or at least the Padjanaks/Padjans of them, were not autochthonous to the Balkans, or even to Europe.) I want to make it clear, however, that I think that all Padjens/Padjans in the Balkans are related—are all of the same tribe—whether they are, or were, of the Catholic or the Orthodox faith." My book: The Padjans (Padjanaks, Pechenegs) http://www.scribd.com/doc/203601298

Joseph Padjan

Catholic Bunjevci are traditionally Croats. Nikolic needs to learn history. What do you expect from a Serb with an I.Q of 5.

Nikolić told a press release that the authors of the textbooks "were appointed by the Bunjevac Ethnic Council." Their go the nuty criminal Serbs in the neibouring countrys Bunjevac are recogonized as Croatians. As far as the "Bunjevac council" all are self appointed criminal goverment Serbs pretending to be Bunjevac. Just like other comuneties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Serbia highjacked by criminal fascist Serb goverments as usual. Criminal Serbian fascist govements making freinds as usual with deciet and subterfuge.

@TP

GENTIC TESTING HAS PROVEN THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CROATS AND SERBS.

@IVO

Yes, there does seem to be a slight genetic difference between Serbs & Croats, but there are also many similarities. Check this link out buddy:

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/zagreb-in-a-panic-scientifically-proven-that-croats-are-descendants-of-serbs-2687972.html

"Zagreb in a panic: Scientifically proven that Croats are descendents of Serbs."

So, what are the Bunjevci? Simple - they're Yugoslavs
(TP, 10 September 2014 16:01)
=========================
I think that people are whatever they declare themselves to be and saying that they are Yuogoslav is fine as long as they themselves say it.
Yugoslavia is gone so nobody can really claim that now but if some wish to good luck to them.
As far as you saying that if Croatians are Catholic Serbs then Serbs are Orthodox Croatians I disagree. You see, many Serbs were forced to convert to Catholisism during WW2 and if these 'Croatians' are to dig into their ancestry they would find that many are indeed of Serbian stock but you cannot say the same for any Orthodox living in Croatia or anywhere else. Serbs never forced anyone to convert, therefore, any Orthodox is obviously a Serb.

I've been connected with the former Yugoslavia for over 40 years and I still can't see any substantial difference between Serbs and Croats except for religion.

Diplomatically, it's wise to say that the Bunjevci are neither Serb nor Croat, but I can recall, many years ago, an old Chetnik telling me that Croats are merely Catholic Serbs, to which I replied that by the same token Serbs are merely Orthodox Croats....He didn't like that very much.

So, what are the Bunjevci? Simple - they're Yugoslavs

@bum bum

So what if the Bunjevci are croats (research shows not all identify as croat), the official written language of Serbia is Cyrillic. Nikolic donated these books as a gesture of goodwill, whereas Serbs in Vukovar who are entitled by Croatian law to have signage in Cyrillic provided for them are victimized. I distinctly remember people like you and of your ilk proclaiming that the latin alphabet was the official language of croatia and Serbs should move back home if they don't like it. Funny, I don't hear the same hate-speech rhetoric from Serbs regarding croat or Bunjevci minorities. And don't give me that cop-out argument about the wars in the 1990s and what the Serbs did in Vukovar, and I won't harp on Jasenovac. That was then, this is now. I think Nikolic's gesture is great. I believe the books were reviewed and approved by Bunjevci authorities. So regarding ethnic minorites and the written language, what's good for the goose is good for the gander my dear bum bum.

So what is all this talk about Serbian or Croatian 'stock'.
(TP, 11 September 2014 14:59)
===========================
Obviously a great deal. There has been a lot of bloodshed because of it. Religion is the main difference. I guess you can ask the same question about Northern Ireland. Why so much hatred? Same people, two religions which means everything to them and yet we find that Catholics protestsnts and Orthodox can live in peace in some places like in England or Serbia.
People are who they feel they are not who we want them to be.
Take Bosnian Muslims as an example. They are not a separate ethnic group but Serbs and to a lesser extent Croats converted to Islam by the Turks. I am sure they know that but since they are not Christian they don't want to acknowledge their ancestry therefore have the need to make up a totally different ethnicity.
Then we have countries like the US or Australia who come from English stock originally but now are made up of the entire world. A new nationality had to be born to accommodate. Ethnicity of the people from non Anglo background will always remain the same which means that Anglo people idetify with nationality rather than ethnicity so find it hard to grasp how the rest of the world works.

Bunjevci in Serbia (and everywhere) are what they declare, aren\'t they? This principle has to
apply to all peoples that have a good opportunity
to come out with their free will, hasn\'t it?

i'm consistantly impressed with lenard and bambams extra-national knowledge. they seem to know every single croatian person on the planet. i can't imagine how they find time to even show off their knowledge.
from their cosy keyboards, they were able to identify the interlopers as serbs, and not authentic croats. you guys really should start your own psy-ops agency.

@TP

GENTIC TESTING HAS PROVEN THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CROATS AND SERBS.
(IVO, 11 September 2014 17:27)

The biggest difference is a 25 point gap in I.Q. It is obvious which group has the superior intellect. Need I say more.

Peggy, I get what you're saying, but just because the West declares that Yugoslavia no longer exists, or because its territorial integrity is no longer in place, doesn't make that a fact of life. My country, England (which is NOT Britain, by the way)technically does not exist either because British (mostly Scots and Welsh) politicians have said as much, whereas Scotland and Wales, by their reckoning, do exist as nations.

Once again, I ask a simple question that few people want to answer - what are the differences between Serbs and Croats other than separate liturgies of the same religion? You speak the same language, with some dialectical differences that are less than those between London and Manchester; your cuisine is the same and your folklore (a vital measure of national identity) varies no more or less than it does inside of each 'country', and even after centuries of not co-existing within the same empires.

So what is all this talk about Serbian or Croatian 'stock'.

IVO:

First, where is this evidence and who was responsible for producing it?

Second, there are genetic differences between people living in different parts of England - and I mean England, NOT Britain. This is more or less true for people within other countries, too.

Third, if Croats want to be part of the West, then the idea of building national identity on the basis of DNA should not be your priority. No civilised nation does that any more.

From my book: "I would like to acknowledge a debt of gratitude to those linguists and historians who have proved one thing beyond all doubt—that the Padjans/Padjens were a Bunjevci clan. (This is very significant, as will be seen.) I will now turn this description around: the Padjans were not a Bunjevci clan; the Bunjevci, or at least the Padjans among them, were Slavicized Padjanaks. (The Hungarians endeavored to show formally in Paris in the early 1900s that the Bunjevci were the remains of the Cumans. The Hungarians almost had it right. Who knows? There may well have been Cumans among the Padjanaks known as Bunjevci. At any rate, my yDNA proves that the Bunjevci, or at least the Padjanaks/Padjans of them, were not autochthonous to the Balkans, or even to Europe.) I want to make it clear, however, that I think that all Padjens/Padjans in the Balkans are related—are all of the same tribe—whether they are, or were, of the Catholic or the Orthodox faith." My book: The Padjans (Padjanaks, Pechenegs) http://www.scribd.com/doc/203601298

Joseph Padjan