"Serbia must recognize Kosovo before joining EU"

"Nietan also criticized as "arrogant and inappropriate" a list of demands CDU party MP Andreas Schockenhoff delivered on behalf of Germany, containing seven conditions put before Serbia, "which is a sovereign state."

And to demand to from Serbia (which is a sovereign state) to recognize Kosovo (which is not an internationally recognized state, but only a self-proclaimed country) which is nowhere mentioned in any EU access conditions is not arrogant?

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...

What more clear can there be??
You will recognise Kosovo if you want EU? As far as we can see Serbia's policy is top priority the EU integration. Slowly slowly but surely. You will have it - take it or leave it..
Your choice.

Well, this is no surprise at all. I have been telling you Serbs that Kosova's recognition will allow Serbs to move forward. Unless Serbia foes recognize Kosova, it can only be disastrous for Serbia. It is safe to say that western European nations are simply tired of the mess created by Serbia. The only way to make sure Serbia is put it its place is by forcing Serbia to recognize Kosova. Take it or leave it, but we all know Serbia is willing to do anything to join EU.

For all the albo-trolls on this site ....when hell freezes over.. hahaha

You have got to applaud their honesty. Whereas in their own memberstates, they lie to their people every day about the future role of the EUropean super-state, but to Serbia they have no problem being brutally honest.

Serbia must legitimize the occupation of its territory, because only Serbia can really close the book to all this. The Germans may not have won either World Wars damnit, but they are determined to make Serbia suffer for not standing in "solidarity" (there's that word again) with German domination.

Serbia has no place in the EU. The sad thing is, Serbia will not even be allowed in even if the Albanians in Pristina get a seat in the UN tomorrow. New conditions will be invented. Literally the beginning of the summer of 2011, Mladic was arrested which analysts said was the last major hurdle towards EU membership.


...and by the end of July, the Albanians started acting like wild animals again. Coincidence? Whatever, barely armed Serbian civilians in Northern Mitrovica pushed them the hell back, and they haven't been back since without the presence of an international protecting them.

From America:

Serbia should respond with: "We will not join the EU until it recognizes the right to self-determination of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics.

Two can play at that game.

German politicians may think it and wish it, but it won't happen.

The future is:

1) Serbia does not recognise Kosovo as being outside of Serbia's borders.

2) The EU accepts Serbia as a member.

Serbia cannot ever renounce what is historically its own. Reality.

Serbia will live with the current situation. Reality.

The EU would rather have Serbia in than out. Reality.

No country will veto accession at the appropriate time because the others won't let it. Reality.

No problem. By that point, the ZSO should be a fully functioning and internationally supported autonomous body which Belgrade will operate through. Considering what Albanian leaders paid to get this far, I can only imagine the next few years will see a number of more concessions they'll have to cough up on the way to Serbia's recognition.

All in the name of stability and moving forward, right? :)

"Nietan also criticized as "arrogant and inappropriate" a list of demands CDU party MP Andreas Schockenhoff delivered on behalf of Germany, containing seven conditions put before Serbia, "which is a sovereign state."

"Arrogant and inappropriate" nothing new.

Typical German is arrogant and inappropriate.

"Why Serbia can not recognize Kosovo as independent sovereign State"
1.Kosovo is a home and SEAT OF SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH and forever is, and will be, integral part of Serbia.
2.Kosovo Albanians are still in terrorist mode their people are members
of extreme terrorist Muslim organizations in Middle East.
3.Kosovo Albanians are not yet ready to exercise any kind of authority over minority people living among them.
West in general EU in particular for the reason of their own, want to create Islamic State of Kosovo.

Serbia to declare that Kosovo is independent state?

Sure, right after EU declare that Ukraine Government is illegal and accept Krimea as part of Russian Federation.

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...
(Kufr, 27 August 2014 16:55)

Yes. And Serbia is the world champion of hypocrisy and double standards. Your brothers in Montenegro can't stand you anymore and decide to be independent. Serbia recognizes Montenegro but wants to rule over the Albanians of Kosovo.

Don't worry, not only will the quislings recognize Kosovo, but they will also give away downtown Belgrade. All for a bankrupt, worthless, defunct EU. That's the Serb politicians for you, gutless, spineless, and corrupt.
Seselj, where are you?

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...
(Kufr, 27 August 2014 16:55)

Ahhh yes, I remember when Kosovo annexed Kosovo LOL!

Five years is a long, long time for the Albanian basket case in Kosovo. Look at what they got now. We are not even sure what Kosovo will look like when it gets its next government. Is Eulex still going to be running things in Kosovo?

What could possibly change in Kosovo to make the Serbs suddenly embrace independence for Kosovo? What is more likely to happen in five years is that Kosovo will move to become a part of a Greater Albania. Where will pressure on the Serbs be then?

It's easy to figure where Kosovo will be in five years. Just look at Albania. Where is Albania going to be in five years?

There is gonna be some form of recognition, it's totally fine, I am over it, most Serbs are, we know it's (at least practically) a different country, I don't oppose recognising it after 5 or 6 years as long as Serbs there get their right... either way we won't have it back so recognising is inevitable. It's Vucic job, though, to invent a new name for "recognition"... Pozzz

we all know Serbia is willing to do anything to join EU.
(Albanian, 27 August 2014 16:45)

We also know what Kosovo (or let's be honest, its leadership) is willing to do to join the UN, which explains why Thaci is so unpopular but also why he's still the guy supported by the US and the EU :)

It's easy to figure where Kosovo will be in five years. Just look at Albania. QUESTION: Where is Albania going to be in five years?
(Paul, 27 August 2014 22:35)

ANSWER: The same place Serbia will be ten years from now.

I never heard of this guy Dietmar Nietan and he is not a well known politician in Germany, but what he said is true, and not just his own opinion, but that of most MP in european parliaments. This is known is Belgrade as well and no big news, and politicians there should stop lying to their own about it. Even if maybe one country would accept Serbia without a Kosovo recognition, you can rest assured that another country will veto it. Serbia can only become a member if all current EU members will vote in favor of it. Each country has a veto in that process, and it is absurt to believe that all members would acccept serbia joining without a Kosovo recognition.

Sorry to rain on the parade but Kosovo is not Serb and I don't think it will be in the near future. As a Serb I can see the Serbian and Serbian government already forgetting about Kosovo. Since 2000, Kosovo has been carved from our territory and Serbs are the only group to blame for this. The Serbian government and the Serbian people in general didn't defend the Serbs during the 2004 satanic pogrom, they didn't defend the elderly and innocent children slaughtered by the satanic shit-tars and now you have Dacic and Nikolic co-operating with Thaci who I believe is still a wanted criminal by MUP? If we aren't prepared to defend our nation then why do we deserve a nation? :S

Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.
(The Count of Kosova, 28 August 2014 11:53)

This may shock you but the rest of the world operates differently from what happens on your side of the two-meter high wall your clan lives behind :)

Of course Serbia does need to remove Kosovo from its consitution but also may need an explicit statement saying Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation Serbia has no claim on. That's the official policy now but its not in the constitution and needs to be.

Next spring Europe will have to decide what to do with the western regions of Ukraine to finally disintegrate this winter. It may be a good time for Serbs to raise their KIM problems I think.
(RK, 28 August 2014 10:19)

You're right, but good luck with a government that is daily trying to embed the so-called importance of joining the EU. The Vucic led government is by any comparison better than what existed before this. But they simply will not stray away from the possibility that life exists without EU membership. The worst part is, even the EU says Serbia wont join for at least a decade. Despite this, the Serbian gov't makes concessions as if membership is coming next Thursday.

In the end, external geo-political situations such as the ones you have alluded to could change the situation on the ground very quickly. My suggestion is to monitor what is going on in FYR Macedonia. Albanians there are acting very wild like in the prelude to the War on Kosovo-Metohija. Disregarding the law, violently rioting against police etc.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 August 2014 17:28)'
Your attitude is exactly what everyone wants. It does not matter is Serbs believe that the Albanians have given away everything. That is exactly what the Brussels agreements are about. One thing is decided in Brussels and then the Serb politicians come home and boast about what they were able to force the Albanians to give up and then everyone is happy and the process of Serbian recognition moves a little more forward.
The whole international community has known that this was a baby step issue with Serbia, that there would be uproar if there were any sudden changes and it had to be fed to the Serbian people a spoonful at a time.
but with your statements we realize it is working.

Yes. And Serbia is the world champion of hypocrisy and double standards. Your brothers in Montenegro can't stand you anymore and decide to be independent.
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Wishful thinking.
Our brothers in Montenegro know they are Serbs (apart from a small proportion) but what swung it was all the Albanians there.

Eventually our brothers and sisters are going to come home. They will see that there is no life with your lot.

If recognition of Kosovo is the final demand and cannot be negotiated, then what's the point of all this? Maybe our tretcherous group of politicians plan to write off Kosovo but will only show their hand at the very end when it's too late.

Questioner: I'm not sure whether the gentleman is being arrogant or not, he is German after all. However, it is going to be very difficult for Serbia to join the EU if the existing 28 members do not know the extent of the territory that the aspirant country comprises. If I were to be voting on the issue in the EU Council of Ministers my first question would be "does this new member's borders include Kosovo"? At that point the problem comes, not least as 23 members have recognised Kosovo as a sovereign state. If Serbia insists that Kosovo is part of the new member state, and it is their right to claim such, they won't be joining as it would in effect mean the 23 unrecognising Kosovo's independence. So, to conclude, the German MP was stating a practical reality perhaps in an arrogant way.

I think the headline of this article is already disturbing. This SPD Member of Parliamenent is not well known in Germany. And as far as I know, Mr. Schockenhoff had build many bridges to Serbia in the past, the timing of such a statement is just not smart, since it distracts attention from the key problems. There were also very clear statements from Germany in the past, that Serbia will not have to recognize Kosovo, exactly the same way as West-Germany never recognised East-Germany at that time, and time will tell where things will be going. There is a lot of work to be done in the years to come, Serbian politicians should focus on improving the live situations of all citizens instead of distracting people to gay-parada, Kosovo and the very important fact, that the mother of the President has received a Diplomatic Passport.

!Ok. Serbia will recognize Kosova! Even though Kosovar leader's are stupid and corrupted. Kosova is and will be country of Kosovar!

(Bob, 27 August 2014 23:13
And some people will continue to have difficulties determining reality from fantasy!

Next spring Europe will have to decide what to do with the western regions of Ukraine to finally disintegrate this winter. It may be a good time for Serbs to raise their KIM problems I think. If Poland , Romania , Slovakia and Hungary insist on euro-integration of the lands once lost during Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Serbia’s chances for better terms in KIM regulation will be much higher. By that time Russia will also be closer geographically and I think Serbia is interested to involve Russia to the Kosovo proses as a mediator. Just Let Lavrov in and let him do the job.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57
It may surprise you but I actually agree with you. The Albanians agreed to independence under the Ahtisaari Plan in order to gain western support, but like the Serbs hardly anyone understood what it meant. They knew Serbia did not like it so it had to be good.
Both sides have had to be led.
The difference is Serbs are agreeing to new things, and Albanians are being forced to accept what they already agreed to.
But I still say only a fool would think that after all these years of negotiations and 5 more years of negotiations with the EU on admission of which none includes Kosovo, that on the day of entrance Serbia can say that Serbia includes the territory of Kosovo. While Serb politicians may stand on podiums in front of the Serb people and announce daily that Serbia will never recognize an independent Kosovo, they every agreement they sign with the EU is sans Kosovo.

You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

Everyone has their own way to rationalize accepting something they never expected to surrender. However. if this makes you feel better then I'm all for it. Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.

You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
(Peggy, 29 August 2014 02:17)

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)

Just to make it clear for of you,Kosovo is a state now and there is no other way to get back to Serbian.you have to look in frond to go a head and leave behind that terrible propaganda.Kosovo use to be Albania and Europa & US want that now to happen. so they did it.We could say that with the hops that it will not getting bigger as Macedonia having this problem they are 42% Albanian there that you call a problem.WE all know the Truth we like or not.They oldest People in Europe together with Greek.

Two can play at that game.
(Don, 27 August 2014 20:20)
Of course Serbia holds all the cards. But keep up that and the only game you will be playing is solitaire.

You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

Everyone has their own way to rationalize accepting something they never expected to surrender. However. if this makes you feel better then I'm all for it. Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.

It would be a terrible mistake for serbia to enter the EU. They belong to the likes of Kazalkhstan,Belarus and other corrupt nations.

By definition, religious zealotry will drag serbia and other balkan nations back to the state of the lowest common denominator.

But really, if you long for kosovo that much, just invade already. What are you waiting for? God/Yahweh or Allah for the few other serbs, has hidden a giant gold treasury in every orthodox church in kosovo.

You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
Would you still invite us to invade if NATO wasn't around?
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Of course. I dont think that serbian army would commit genocide or ethnic cleansing again, would you?
Or are you claiming otherwise? Besides, there are like 7000 troops. Thats not a thteat. The golden treasures avait you!
But lets be honest,Peggy its because of people like you there isnt any peace in the world.

And if you are religious, just pray to god and it will "certainly" come true.
Surely, the "promised" land will belong to you one day, then with the promised land, serbia can prosper at last, start a space program and mine asteroids for minerals.

If its about justice, I surely would not mind serbs and serbian police to return. But how hard would if be for you to "forgive" an apologize for the war and pay reparations for the wrongs that the serbian army did in kosovo?

I bet that would be out of your capacity to do so.

The whole international community has known that this was a baby step issue with Serbia, that there would be uproar if there were any sudden changes and it had to be fed to the Serbian people a spoonful at a time.
(just an observation, 27 August 2014 17:56)

Hmm, that's a very interesting way of spinning the story to make it look like Albanians had been a part of this strategy from the start. Even the repeated attempts at controlling northern Kosovo and complaining to no one listening that Serbs are not cooperating takes a special kind of talent. Thaci should win an award for stellar acting.

You do of course know this is the same tactic fed to the Albanians too, right? Give them the illusion of independence, explain that Serb resistance is a temporary problem and then support the establishment of a formal institution to codify the already generous rights given to Serbs in the Ahtisaari Plan with the understanding it will function (very loosely) within Kosovo's constitutional framework. You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.

This is perfect. Looks like right when Nigel Farage leads the U.K. out of the decadent and crumbling E.U. Serbia will be there to join the sinking ship.

A possible reason why so many sacrifices are required is because no northern euro country actually wants Serbia in. Ever since southerners like Romania and Bulgaria entered, decent civilized European countries have seen a noticeable influx of criminals swell within their borders.

This will be the same case if Serbia joins. Excluding the multitudes of people who will run away from Serbia in hopes for a better life and in the process discard every tradition their culture was made up of, criminal losers will be sure to make these developed countries worse to live in for everyone already living there.

To Serbs who want a better life for themselves. If you truly want that then the first thing you must change is yourselves. Stop thinking about the stupid backwards concepts of "east" and "west" that your politicians have been feeding you and start to actively better yourselves as individuals. Start to put value into hard work, defend your work from thieves as they will surely come and surround yourself with good people and help them whenever you can.

You will notice that the place your living in will become slowly better. Until it will get to a point where you will realize that you no longer need the E.U., Vucic or Kosovo. You will be completely content with your life and in the end. That's what matters most.

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)
(icj1, 30 August 2014 23:24)
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Finally, an admission of cowardace. That's the first honest thing you said so far.
(Peggy, 31 August 2014 06:05)

If being "cowardace" means playing smart to achieve the goals, I'm happy to be "coward" every day. If being "macho" means loosing and celebrate lost battles, thanks, but I have no desire to be "macho". I'm leaving that to you but will give you a medal for that since that may make you happy haha

But really, if you long for kosovo that much, just invade already. What are you waiting for?
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You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
Would you still invite us to invade if NATO wasn't around?

Just Let Lavrov in and let him do the job.
(RK, 28 August 2014 10:19)

Like he did on June 10, 1999 http://www.c-span.org/video/?124985-1/open-session-kosovo when he was unmoved by the pleadings of the little brother Serbia not to raise his hand (as he did at 50:07) and approve something defined by Serbia as "de facto dismemberment" of Serbia (see at 29:18 - 29:39) ?

Its the journey to the EU that is beneficial, not the actual destination. In 5-10 years time who knows what the EU will look like. You can be sure it won't be what it is today, namely a centralising political entity. When the time comes, the North should declare unilateral independence, as Kosovo* did.

Considering what Albanian leaders paid to get this far, I can only imagine the next few years will see a number of more concessions they'll have to cough up on the way to Serbia's recognition.

All in the name of stability and moving forward, right? :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 August 2014 17:28)

Yes BA, Kosovo's recognition will be a victory for Serbia :).

" to codify the already generous rights given to Serbs in the Ahtisaari Plan"
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

yes BA, the Ahtisaari plan is a victory for Serbia too :). All the fighting in the recent years seems pointless. Anyway it goes it is a victory for Serbia :). Thanks for pointing that out in terms of who wins and who loses.

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)
(icj1, 30 August 2014 23:24)
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Finally, an admission of cowardace. That's the first honest thing you said so far.

Well, this is no surprise at all. I have been telling you Serbs that Kosova's recognition will allow Serbs to move forward. Unless Serbia foes recognize Kosova, it can only be disastrous for Serbia. It is safe to say that western European nations are simply tired of the mess created by Serbia. The only way to make sure Serbia is put it its place is by forcing Serbia to recognize Kosova. Take it or leave it, but we all know Serbia is willing to do anything to join EU.

"Why Serbia can not recognize Kosovo as independent sovereign State"
1.Kosovo is a home and SEAT OF SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH and forever is, and will be, integral part of Serbia.
2.Kosovo Albanians are still in terrorist mode their people are members
of extreme terrorist Muslim organizations in Middle East.
3.Kosovo Albanians are not yet ready to exercise any kind of authority over minority people living among them.
West in general EU in particular for the reason of their own, want to create Islamic State of Kosovo.

What more clear can there be??
You will recognise Kosovo if you want EU? As far as we can see Serbia's policy is top priority the EU integration. Slowly slowly but surely. You will have it - take it or leave it..
Your choice.

"Nietan also criticized as "arrogant and inappropriate" a list of demands CDU party MP Andreas Schockenhoff delivered on behalf of Germany, containing seven conditions put before Serbia, "which is a sovereign state."

And to demand to from Serbia (which is a sovereign state) to recognize Kosovo (which is not an internationally recognized state, but only a self-proclaimed country) which is nowhere mentioned in any EU access conditions is not arrogant?

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...
(Kufr, 27 August 2014 16:55)

Yes. And Serbia is the world champion of hypocrisy and double standards. Your brothers in Montenegro can't stand you anymore and decide to be independent. Serbia recognizes Montenegro but wants to rule over the Albanians of Kosovo.

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...

You have got to applaud their honesty. Whereas in their own memberstates, they lie to their people every day about the future role of the EUropean super-state, but to Serbia they have no problem being brutally honest.

Serbia must legitimize the occupation of its territory, because only Serbia can really close the book to all this. The Germans may not have won either World Wars damnit, but they are determined to make Serbia suffer for not standing in "solidarity" (there's that word again) with German domination.

Serbia has no place in the EU. The sad thing is, Serbia will not even be allowed in even if the Albanians in Pristina get a seat in the UN tomorrow. New conditions will be invented. Literally the beginning of the summer of 2011, Mladic was arrested which analysts said was the last major hurdle towards EU membership.


...and by the end of July, the Albanians started acting like wild animals again. Coincidence? Whatever, barely armed Serbian civilians in Northern Mitrovica pushed them the hell back, and they haven't been back since without the presence of an international protecting them.

For all the albo-trolls on this site ....when hell freezes over.. hahaha

What is this, world championship in double standards? Serbia must recognize annexation of Kosovo but may NOT recognize annexation of Crimea...
(Kufr, 27 August 2014 16:55)

Ahhh yes, I remember when Kosovo annexed Kosovo LOL!

Serbia to declare that Kosovo is independent state?

Sure, right after EU declare that Ukraine Government is illegal and accept Krimea as part of Russian Federation.

Of course Serbia does need to remove Kosovo from its consitution but also may need an explicit statement saying Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation Serbia has no claim on. That's the official policy now but its not in the constitution and needs to be.

From America:

Serbia should respond with: "We will not join the EU until it recognizes the right to self-determination of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics.

Two can play at that game.

Five years is a long, long time for the Albanian basket case in Kosovo. Look at what they got now. We are not even sure what Kosovo will look like when it gets its next government. Is Eulex still going to be running things in Kosovo?

What could possibly change in Kosovo to make the Serbs suddenly embrace independence for Kosovo? What is more likely to happen in five years is that Kosovo will move to become a part of a Greater Albania. Where will pressure on the Serbs be then?

It's easy to figure where Kosovo will be in five years. Just look at Albania. Where is Albania going to be in five years?

German politicians may think it and wish it, but it won't happen.

The future is:

1) Serbia does not recognise Kosovo as being outside of Serbia's borders.

2) The EU accepts Serbia as a member.

Serbia cannot ever renounce what is historically its own. Reality.

Serbia will live with the current situation. Reality.

The EU would rather have Serbia in than out. Reality.

No country will veto accession at the appropriate time because the others won't let it. Reality.

No problem. By that point, the ZSO should be a fully functioning and internationally supported autonomous body which Belgrade will operate through. Considering what Albanian leaders paid to get this far, I can only imagine the next few years will see a number of more concessions they'll have to cough up on the way to Serbia's recognition.

All in the name of stability and moving forward, right? :)

I never heard of this guy Dietmar Nietan and he is not a well known politician in Germany, but what he said is true, and not just his own opinion, but that of most MP in european parliaments. This is known is Belgrade as well and no big news, and politicians there should stop lying to their own about it. Even if maybe one country would accept Serbia without a Kosovo recognition, you can rest assured that another country will veto it. Serbia can only become a member if all current EU members will vote in favor of it. Each country has a veto in that process, and it is absurt to believe that all members would acccept serbia joining without a Kosovo recognition.

Don't worry, not only will the quislings recognize Kosovo, but they will also give away downtown Belgrade. All for a bankrupt, worthless, defunct EU. That's the Serb politicians for you, gutless, spineless, and corrupt.
Seselj, where are you?

Yes. And Serbia is the world champion of hypocrisy and double standards. Your brothers in Montenegro can't stand you anymore and decide to be independent.
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Wishful thinking.
Our brothers in Montenegro know they are Serbs (apart from a small proportion) but what swung it was all the Albanians there.

Eventually our brothers and sisters are going to come home. They will see that there is no life with your lot.

If recognition of Kosovo is the final demand and cannot be negotiated, then what's the point of all this? Maybe our tretcherous group of politicians plan to write off Kosovo but will only show their hand at the very end when it's too late.

Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.
(The Count of Kosova, 28 August 2014 11:53)

This may shock you but the rest of the world operates differently from what happens on your side of the two-meter high wall your clan lives behind :)

"Nietan also criticized as "arrogant and inappropriate" a list of demands CDU party MP Andreas Schockenhoff delivered on behalf of Germany, containing seven conditions put before Serbia, "which is a sovereign state."

"Arrogant and inappropriate" nothing new.

Typical German is arrogant and inappropriate.

The whole international community has known that this was a baby step issue with Serbia, that there would be uproar if there were any sudden changes and it had to be fed to the Serbian people a spoonful at a time.
(just an observation, 27 August 2014 17:56)

Hmm, that's a very interesting way of spinning the story to make it look like Albanians had been a part of this strategy from the start. Even the repeated attempts at controlling northern Kosovo and complaining to no one listening that Serbs are not cooperating takes a special kind of talent. Thaci should win an award for stellar acting.

You do of course know this is the same tactic fed to the Albanians too, right? Give them the illusion of independence, explain that Serb resistance is a temporary problem and then support the establishment of a formal institution to codify the already generous rights given to Serbs in the Ahtisaari Plan with the understanding it will function (very loosely) within Kosovo's constitutional framework. You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.

It's easy to figure where Kosovo will be in five years. Just look at Albania. QUESTION: Where is Albania going to be in five years?
(Paul, 27 August 2014 22:35)

ANSWER: The same place Serbia will be ten years from now.

Next spring Europe will have to decide what to do with the western regions of Ukraine to finally disintegrate this winter. It may be a good time for Serbs to raise their KIM problems I think.
(RK, 28 August 2014 10:19)

You're right, but good luck with a government that is daily trying to embed the so-called importance of joining the EU. The Vucic led government is by any comparison better than what existed before this. But they simply will not stray away from the possibility that life exists without EU membership. The worst part is, even the EU says Serbia wont join for at least a decade. Despite this, the Serbian gov't makes concessions as if membership is coming next Thursday.

In the end, external geo-political situations such as the ones you have alluded to could change the situation on the ground very quickly. My suggestion is to monitor what is going on in FYR Macedonia. Albanians there are acting very wild like in the prelude to the War on Kosovo-Metohija. Disregarding the law, violently rioting against police etc.

Its the journey to the EU that is beneficial, not the actual destination. In 5-10 years time who knows what the EU will look like. You can be sure it won't be what it is today, namely a centralising political entity. When the time comes, the North should declare unilateral independence, as Kosovo* did.

But really, if you long for kosovo that much, just invade already. What are you waiting for?
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You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
Would you still invite us to invade if NATO wasn't around?

Next spring Europe will have to decide what to do with the western regions of Ukraine to finally disintegrate this winter. It may be a good time for Serbs to raise their KIM problems I think. If Poland , Romania , Slovakia and Hungary insist on euro-integration of the lands once lost during Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Serbia’s chances for better terms in KIM regulation will be much higher. By that time Russia will also be closer geographically and I think Serbia is interested to involve Russia to the Kosovo proses as a mediator. Just Let Lavrov in and let him do the job.

You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

Everyone has their own way to rationalize accepting something they never expected to surrender. However. if this makes you feel better then I'm all for it. Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.

!Ok. Serbia will recognize Kosova! Even though Kosovar leader's are stupid and corrupted. Kosova is and will be country of Kosovar!

Sorry to rain on the parade but Kosovo is not Serb and I don't think it will be in the near future. As a Serb I can see the Serbian and Serbian government already forgetting about Kosovo. Since 2000, Kosovo has been carved from our territory and Serbs are the only group to blame for this. The Serbian government and the Serbian people in general didn't defend the Serbs during the 2004 satanic pogrom, they didn't defend the elderly and innocent children slaughtered by the satanic shit-tars and now you have Dacic and Nikolic co-operating with Thaci who I believe is still a wanted criminal by MUP? If we aren't prepared to defend our nation then why do we deserve a nation? :S

You're right it's all part of a plan to take baby steps towards getting a stubborn side to go along, but considering everytime an agreement is reached we find Albanians suddenly supporting something they were adamantly against previously, gives one pause to think it isn't just Belgrade that's being sold a story.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

Everyone has their own way to rationalize accepting something they never expected to surrender. However. if this makes you feel better then I'm all for it. Just please don't go home and beat your wife or kick the dog.

we all know Serbia is willing to do anything to join EU.
(Albanian, 27 August 2014 16:45)

We also know what Kosovo (or let's be honest, its leadership) is willing to do to join the UN, which explains why Thaci is so unpopular but also why he's still the guy supported by the US and the EU :)

I think the headline of this article is already disturbing. This SPD Member of Parliamenent is not well known in Germany. And as far as I know, Mr. Schockenhoff had build many bridges to Serbia in the past, the timing of such a statement is just not smart, since it distracts attention from the key problems. There were also very clear statements from Germany in the past, that Serbia will not have to recognize Kosovo, exactly the same way as West-Germany never recognised East-Germany at that time, and time will tell where things will be going. There is a lot of work to be done in the years to come, Serbian politicians should focus on improving the live situations of all citizens instead of distracting people to gay-parada, Kosovo and the very important fact, that the mother of the President has received a Diplomatic Passport.

Just to make it clear for of you,Kosovo is a state now and there is no other way to get back to Serbian.you have to look in frond to go a head and leave behind that terrible propaganda.Kosovo use to be Albania and Europa & US want that now to happen. so they did it.We could say that with the hops that it will not getting bigger as Macedonia having this problem they are 42% Albanian there that you call a problem.WE all know the Truth we like or not.They oldest People in Europe together with Greek.

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)
(icj1, 30 August 2014 23:24)
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Finally, an admission of cowardace. That's the first honest thing you said so far.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 August 2014 17:28)'
Your attitude is exactly what everyone wants. It does not matter is Serbs believe that the Albanians have given away everything. That is exactly what the Brussels agreements are about. One thing is decided in Brussels and then the Serb politicians come home and boast about what they were able to force the Albanians to give up and then everyone is happy and the process of Serbian recognition moves a little more forward.
The whole international community has known that this was a baby step issue with Serbia, that there would be uproar if there were any sudden changes and it had to be fed to the Serbian people a spoonful at a time.
but with your statements we realize it is working.

Questioner: I'm not sure whether the gentleman is being arrogant or not, he is German after all. However, it is going to be very difficult for Serbia to join the EU if the existing 28 members do not know the extent of the territory that the aspirant country comprises. If I were to be voting on the issue in the EU Council of Ministers my first question would be "does this new member's borders include Kosovo"? At that point the problem comes, not least as 23 members have recognised Kosovo as a sovereign state. If Serbia insists that Kosovo is part of the new member state, and it is their right to claim such, they won't be joining as it would in effect mean the 23 unrecognising Kosovo's independence. So, to conclude, the German MP was stating a practical reality perhaps in an arrogant way.

There is gonna be some form of recognition, it's totally fine, I am over it, most Serbs are, we know it's (at least practically) a different country, I don't oppose recognising it after 5 or 6 years as long as Serbs there get their right... either way we won't have it back so recognising is inevitable. It's Vucic job, though, to invent a new name for "recognition"... Pozzz

Considering what Albanian leaders paid to get this far, I can only imagine the next few years will see a number of more concessions they'll have to cough up on the way to Serbia's recognition.

All in the name of stability and moving forward, right? :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 August 2014 17:28)

Yes BA, Kosovo's recognition will be a victory for Serbia :).

" to codify the already generous rights given to Serbs in the Ahtisaari Plan"
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57)

yes BA, the Ahtisaari plan is a victory for Serbia too :). All the fighting in the recent years seems pointless. Anyway it goes it is a victory for Serbia :). Thanks for pointing that out in terms of who wins and who loses.

It would be a terrible mistake for serbia to enter the EU. They belong to the likes of Kazalkhstan,Belarus and other corrupt nations.

By definition, religious zealotry will drag serbia and other balkan nations back to the state of the lowest common denominator.

But really, if you long for kosovo that much, just invade already. What are you waiting for? God/Yahweh or Allah for the few other serbs, has hidden a giant gold treasury in every orthodox church in kosovo.

You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
Would you still invite us to invade if NATO wasn't around?
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Of course. I dont think that serbian army would commit genocide or ethnic cleansing again, would you?
Or are you claiming otherwise? Besides, there are like 7000 troops. Thats not a thteat. The golden treasures avait you!
But lets be honest,Peggy its because of people like you there isnt any peace in the world.

And if you are religious, just pray to god and it will "certainly" come true.
Surely, the "promised" land will belong to you one day, then with the promised land, serbia can prosper at last, start a space program and mine asteroids for minerals.

If its about justice, I surely would not mind serbs and serbian police to return. But how hard would if be for you to "forgive" an apologize for the war and pay reparations for the wrongs that the serbian army did in kosovo?

I bet that would be out of your capacity to do so.

This is perfect. Looks like right when Nigel Farage leads the U.K. out of the decadent and crumbling E.U. Serbia will be there to join the sinking ship.

A possible reason why so many sacrifices are required is because no northern euro country actually wants Serbia in. Ever since southerners like Romania and Bulgaria entered, decent civilized European countries have seen a noticeable influx of criminals swell within their borders.

This will be the same case if Serbia joins. Excluding the multitudes of people who will run away from Serbia in hopes for a better life and in the process discard every tradition their culture was made up of, criminal losers will be sure to make these developed countries worse to live in for everyone already living there.

To Serbs who want a better life for themselves. If you truly want that then the first thing you must change is yourselves. Stop thinking about the stupid backwards concepts of "east" and "west" that your politicians have been feeding you and start to actively better yourselves as individuals. Start to put value into hard work, defend your work from thieves as they will surely come and surround yourself with good people and help them whenever you can.

You will notice that the place your living in will become slowly better. Until it will get to a point where you will realize that you no longer need the E.U., Vucic or Kosovo. You will be completely content with your life and in the end. That's what matters most.

Just Let Lavrov in and let him do the job.
(RK, 28 August 2014 10:19)

Like he did on June 10, 1999 http://www.c-span.org/video/?124985-1/open-session-kosovo when he was unmoved by the pleadings of the little brother Serbia not to raise his hand (as he did at 50:07) and approve something defined by Serbia as "de facto dismemberment" of Serbia (see at 29:18 - 29:39) ?

(Bob, 27 August 2014 23:13
And some people will continue to have difficulties determining reality from fantasy!

Two can play at that game.
(Don, 27 August 2014 20:20)
Of course Serbia holds all the cards. But keep up that and the only game you will be playing is solitaire.

You're so brave while hiding behind NATO's skirt.
(Peggy, 29 August 2014 02:17)

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)

(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 August 2014 06:57
It may surprise you but I actually agree with you. The Albanians agreed to independence under the Ahtisaari Plan in order to gain western support, but like the Serbs hardly anyone understood what it meant. They knew Serbia did not like it so it had to be good.
Both sides have had to be led.
The difference is Serbs are agreeing to new things, and Albanians are being forced to accept what they already agreed to.
But I still say only a fool would think that after all these years of negotiations and 5 more years of negotiations with the EU on admission of which none includes Kosovo, that on the day of entrance Serbia can say that Serbia includes the territory of Kosovo. While Serb politicians may stand on podiums in front of the Serb people and announce daily that Serbia will never recognize an independent Kosovo, they every agreement they sign with the EU is sans Kosovo.

Exactly, that's called being smart. Between playing the macho card and being smart, Kosovo chose the latter and got to be independent from Serbia as a result. But, you are more than welcome to play the macho card. We'll give you a medal for that :)
(icj1, 30 August 2014 23:24)
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Finally, an admission of cowardace. That's the first honest thing you said so far.
(Peggy, 31 August 2014 06:05)

If being "cowardace" means playing smart to achieve the goals, I'm happy to be "coward" every day. If being "macho" means loosing and celebrate lost battles, thanks, but I have no desire to be "macho". I'm leaving that to you but will give you a medal for that since that may make you happy haha