Serbia "not equipped" to take part in new Cold War
FM and First Deputy PM Ivica Dačić says "Serbia does not want to participate in any war, even in a cold one, because it is neither equipped nor capable."
I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 17:08)
Actually, you are wrong, I support the punishment of any Albanian that were responsible for war crimes as defined by international sources(meaning those who know what war crimes are and do not just consider being Albanian is enough to convict). Unlike you who thinks that any Serb who kills non Serbs is good and pure.
By the way I think that Thaci and Harradinaj were instrumental in opposing the brutality of Serb forces and played a major role in securing the independence of Kosovo, but neither are the right person to lead Kosovo in the post war phase.
Given one of your sick ethnic kin has just posted images of severing the head of a Syrian man, I think it highly likely your KLA 'heroes' were capable of such grisly acts. I suspect your esteemed leaders are having sleepless nights after the recent report by the war crimes investigator. (An American no-less!)
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Rato,
Unfortunately, killing the enemy is sometimes necessary. For example, the air strikes against ISiS in Iraq and Serbia in 1999. Who else is capable of this urgent task but NATO or the US. However, we all regret the loss of innocent lives by collateral damage.
I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
I'm surprised you brought up this phony stunt. Even a 10 year old kid can see this was a very poor job of photo shopping. Just look as the size of the "severed head" its as big as a watermelon, totally out of proportion. This is another desperate attempt to discredit Albanians. On the other hand, history is full of documented instances where Serb Chetniks have beheaded civilians. What about the massacre at the Panda cafe of five innocent Serb teenagers by the MUP, and blamed on the KLA. And then, there is the famous "broken bottle case" concerning D. Martinovic in 1986. Shall I continue? Serbs are the Keystone Cops of propaganda!
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Even thou your PM and FM talking about crimes you serbian did in kosovo, even they're unearthing bodies of albanians hided everywhere in serbia you and PEN have a nerve to blame albanians making propaganda. Keep talking because they are people like Peggy from Australia that beleives this bs, there are very few but there are some, and if you repeat often enough, one day you may beleive it yourself.
How sarcastic. And yet totally predictable. By the way I said an Albanian point of view. I didn't say you were Albanian. Incidentally you don't have to be Serbian to sympathise with the plight of the Serbs. But I suppose you Serbophobic armchair bombardiers wouldn't understand that. Curious to see after Williamson's report whether the thuggish KLA leaders in armani suits will finally get their come uppance. I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
How could you possibly know that? By the way not Albanian, but am one of those countries that did put a stop to your atrocities.
(just an observation, 11 August 2014 16:14)
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
Precisely. Just as yours is an Albanian point of view. And? My argument on the other hand, if you'd bothered to read what I had written, was that your side hasn't a leg to stand on when spouting off with spurious indignation. The KLA committed war crimes. Nobody of significance has been held accountable. I have no faith in a tribunal established by Serbia's wartime enemies. The ICTY is a case in point. A politically motivated construct that had no intention of punishing those who committed crimes against the Serbs, of which there are many. Don't insult our intelligence with your meally-mouthed arguments. It doesn't impress anybody with an ounce of brains.
But then, this is just an observation right.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
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No actually it is a Serbian point of view. But apparently your abilities of observation are extremely limited. You speak of evidence destroyed, what do you call the removal of bodies from Kosovo to Serbia and hidden or incinerated? What do you call the govt hiding of war crime fugitives for years?
I am just saying what was done on the Albanian scale fails in comparison to what Serbia orchestrated and whatever is uncovered will never lessen the guilt of Serbs. Also the court system set up to prosecute Albanians who also faced the same tribunal as Serbs will be held outside of Kosovo and not run by anyone from Kosovo, with no Kosovo judges or prosecutors.
I was merely pointing out that Serbs for the last 4-5 years have hoped that the world would be so shocked by the organ harvesting rumors that they would say that Serbia was somehow justified by their scourge on the other Yugoslavians and it simply is not going to happen.
For somebody whose tag is 'Just an observation' you appear to be very selective in what you actually observe.
Your argument appears to be; you committed more war crimes then we did. So that somehow entitles us to prance about the moral high ground. Really? I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb. Prisoners routinely beaten, tortured and then sadistically finished off. Organs harvested from kidnapped civilians. Whether 10 or 100 it doesn't matter, it's equally gruesome. Burned churches, desecrated cemetaries etc.etc. The list is endless. If all that makes you better than your enemies, well then I take my hat off to you.
Furthermore, it's pointless conducting war crimes trials in a mafia state ruled by clans. People are terrified of testifying against the leadership 15 years after the events took place. It's farcical to suggest otherwise. Evidence was destroyed and witnesses made to dissappear long ago. With Western connivence Albanian war criminals walk free. But then, this is just an observation right.
(Ari Gold, 10 August 2014 01:45)
Funny when the very same people that claim the world will finally know "the truth" about Albanian war crimes which were miniscule in comparison to what is known that the Serbs did, turn around and claim that the world is naïve about what went on during the Yugoslav wars and Serbian crimes.
The only hope Serbs had was to have positive proof with victims and suspects to show that Albanians were guilty of the organ harvesting as they could to show that somehow they were worse.
But alas that fell through the ice as Williamson said he had no definitive proof and if indeed it did happen was on such a small scale that there really will be no interest in actually digging any further on any international scale.
With rumors that it could possibly have happened to less than 10 when in contrast to thousands of victims throughout Yugoslavia, the story's 15 minutes of fame is over.
- it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 August 2014 17:06
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How about you ask the Greeks, Romanians etc. etc. etc. if they have a decent life.
What exactly has changed for them?
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
The government of Serbia is installed by US. The government of Ukraine is installed by US. The government of Europe are installed by US. etc.. etc... It appears that the US is the most powerful country in the world. But, we hear the most patriotic of Serbs and the CE of B92 forums sj who says that the US has collapsed and run of of cash. So, which story should we believe?!
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Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
Like the brotherly relations between the slabs in Ukraine and Russia?!
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Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
How comes that the rest of BRICS and the free world are not supporting Russia's policy in regards to Ukraine? It's hard to find examples in the last few decades where Russia has been so alone as it is in Ukraine. Now, you and rote might sell Vladimir's successes to Russia's populace, but it's pretty naive/delusional when you try to do it here.
It is imperative Serbia Join the EU and the US in imposing sanctions against Russia. Serbia is aiding the enemy, Russia, by not supporting sanctions. If Serbia refuses, there should be an immediate halt of donations for flood related charities and a suspension of all activities leading to EU and NATO membership. Furthermore, the construction of the South Stream pipeline must be ended. All trucks from Serbia carrying products to Russia must be banned from traveling over roads of all countries participating in sanctions.
Kasey, please stop blowing smoke, talking nonsense and claiming that you ACTUALLY know what world opinion is. Those in the "know" know that people like you have completely NO GRASP on what's really happening or has happened and why has it happened. Take your garbage somwhere else!!!
'Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?(gjon fusha, 9 August 2014 03:01)'
I'm glad you brought up this issue, amid so much silliness and obfuscation. According to Balkan Insight (our sources are sadly limited) after over one month of delays and trickery, the exhumations at Raska are now continuing, (without journalists present). As I understand, the remains of 50 ppl (Kos Albs)have been exhumed (BA claims 45) but we believe there are hundreds, from 1999, of course. there are over 1700 still missing, the majority are Kos alb's, some hundreds are Serbs or others.
the rep of Kosova dealing w/the exhumations publicly stated the delay was caused when Blgd regime claimed it was out of funds - of course it's all about priorities. Also, "coincidentally" the exhumation stopped just as the announcement was made to pursue past crimes of KLA individuals, which serbian media and their beloved KArla interpreted to mean "organ snatching." you decide.
We also have to keep in mind that many of the bodies of Kos Albs will never turn up since they were incinerated.
Background of Raska: http://instituteforgenocide.org/?p=8129
"No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do..."
(No voter, 9 August 2014 10:20)
According to latest polls, the majority (i.e more than 50%) want to join EU. Of course only Serbs in Serbia were asked - it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
“Технология победы очень простая. Ее, собственно, сегодня реализуют украинские войска. Так же, как в свое время американцы реализовали это относительно Белграда. Это уничтожение инфраструктуры, создание рукотворной гуманитарной катастрофы, когда не работает канализация, когда нет воды, электричества. И когда население само уже говорит: все, давайте любой ценой остановим войну, сдадимся, мы не можем жить в ситуации, когда из унитаза течет содержимое канализации. Эта технология была в свое время отработана американцами в Сербии. Я думаю, ровно ее же делают сегодня украинцы. “
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
(Kasey B., 9 August 2014 01:51)
That's ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people in the civilized world have absolutely no opinion on the Yugoslav Wars in the 90s. To most ordinary people, that war was a flash in the pan and therefore there isn't such strong opinions one way or the other regarding that issue. You are deliberately lying when you say that Westerners by and large share this sentiment, they do not.
Of course there are extremists and hateful bigots like Ian, UK and a couple of self-proclaimed Germans that come on here. This is an obvious place for them to meet, but they are few and far between. They also have countless of other problems and mental complexes that render them fringe even in their own societies.
And just maybe, the Western mainstream takes initiative and rewrites the wrongs that were told in the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8
No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do, so they can hop onto the gravy train and they will use every media manipulation know to mankind in order to get their place on the settee. All must be wary of their infamous duplicity.
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there. Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
Even if Obama and his white masters decides to move NATO into the rump-ukraine (Banderastan) and hence start a WW3, the only mumbling,zoombie sleepwalking mantra you will hear from those broken records in the serbian quisling regime is the usual, lobotomized: "€U is all we live for and our only goal" and "€U policy is our policy" (I.e that of the US).
That is their stance as imposed represententatives of occupied serbia.If Serbs think otherwise they should make themselves heard, as a large number of volunteers to the anti-Nazi resistance in Novorossiya loud and clearly have done. Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 18:44)
Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
(Ratko, 8 August 2014 16:42)
Ratko,
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 14:19)
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Maybe you should not make assurances that are not true. As you see the hype over Williamson's report made a few papers and big on pro serb blogs but it is overshadowed by current world events that really affect people in the world today.
The 10,000 number has only been debunked in the minds of such deniers as yourself as far as the world stage(there is a whole world outside of Serbia you know)that is pretty much the accepted number. You will find differing sources quoting 8000-12000 so most stick with the 10,000.
As far as "what" the Kosovo govt is doing to rid itself of those who may have been involved with actual war crimes they have agreed to let the EU set up and run a court without Kosovo participation in order to remove the speculation of a national coverup of these crimes.
No matter how much Serbs try to keep the "organ harvesting" rumor alive it is going to fizzle. Williamson found NO true evidence, NO suspects, NO victims, when he said that if it did occur you are talking about maybe 10, that put it on a scale that there is not going to be any public outcry for new major investigations into so the end result will be your camp will say it did, others will say it didn't but the bulk of people will say maybe it did maybe it didn't, no one will ever know.
I have seen NO unraveling of US support for Kosovo independence!
Serbia needs to choose a side. You can't be friends with Isreal AND Palestine. You can't be friends with Russia AND respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That's not how it works. Serbia can equip itself. The military of Serbia has a 1.6 billion dollar GDP for the military and can buy itself the newest, best equipment in large numbers. That's how they always worked. It's the rich kid that was born into it (Yugoslavia). It's just that the government is two-faced and hard-headed. They ignore reality. They are scared because they were bombed and want to seem peaceful. Serbia should be neutral, considerate, and and willing to negotiate (in a neutral matter). That's how they can regain their trust by the US, western Europe, and can get a large boost to join the EU. Isn't that their desire.
He supports the "territorial integrity" of Ukraine (Crimea), but no sanctions against Russia?
He knows that actions speak louder than words.
Serbia is innocent. Russia is innocent. He knows it. Everyone knows it. History is being written and all the pronouncements in the world are not going to change anything.
Certainly the Russians don't care that Serbia is not taking a stand on Crimea. Serbia has seen enough grief from people lying about history. Why should Serbia be a pillar of national integrity is a sea of rot?
kosovo is a genuine part of serbia even more than crimea is a part of russia. but novorussia is also the part of russia.dont you know that in 18th cent. there were serbs that were settled in there?
The 10.000 figure was debunked long ago. As was the 250.000 for Bosnia. During the bombardment itself 100.000 dead was the number routinely used by NATO propagandists to justify their aggression. The term genocide lost all meaning during the Yugoslav wars. The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
As I said, Serbia strives to move forward. You on the other hand remain firmly wedded to the past.
But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2014 15:02)
What are you talking about? The Serbian govt has been completely involved in pinning blame for the wars in the 90s solely on Serbia for over a decade now. How is this 'progress'?
For me, the bigger crimes Serbs committed were allowing the Yugoslav Communist regime to draw up internal borders so that hundreds of thousands of Serbs would be living in republics of Croatia and Bosnia.
So no, it was not a war of "Greater Serbia"...rather trying to correct communist policy. However this came a few decades too late and Serbia got a raw deal. The crime that Serbs committed was not raising the issue of boundaries in the 60s and 70s.
@PEN,
Kosova did not sand tanks to Serbia, did not kill over 10 000 civilian in Serbia, did not destroy and looted 200 000 homes etc. Even today Serbia is not helping in unearthing bodies of albanians civilians that you guys trying to hide all over Serbia. PEN youre noise is same as Panda killing where 5 inocent serbians lost their lives from serbian security people so you can blame albanians. Dacic in his statement for first time admitted a lot, but he is short in admitting a genocide. And what you guys did in Kosova is a genocide.
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
"For our mistakes, for our wrong ambition, and for our crimes (and we recognized that there were), we paid, and we pay today, a serious price. Those great powers, they do not have to worry about that part. There are no courts for them," said Dačić.
Yes, it's true. The actions of Russia (Ukraine) and the USA (Iraq) will go unpunished. But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
And what of Albanian 'politicians' in Kosovo. How do they seek to re-habilitate themselves of the grisly war crimes they stand accused of? Never mind the gangsterism with which they indulge in to this day. You and the other Albanian trolls have nothing to gloat about. At least the present leaders of Serbia look to the future. I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
He said that Serbia "supports the territorial integrity of any state, and Ukraine, therefore, with Crimea"
Am I wrong or is this the really first time a Serbian politician dares to criticize Russia and dares to say that the Russian annexation of Crimea is illegal?
Out of every.one of Serbia's radicals, seems as if Dacic might be the most rehabilitated ? Then again, there is still a lot more to watch & dissect, when it comes to Serbian politics & her politicians!
And what of Albanian 'politicians' in Kosovo. How do they seek to re-habilitate themselves of the grisly war crimes they stand accused of? Never mind the gangsterism with which they indulge in to this day. You and the other Albanian trolls have nothing to gloat about. At least the present leaders of Serbia look to the future. I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
The 10.000 figure was debunked long ago. As was the 250.000 for Bosnia. During the bombardment itself 100.000 dead was the number routinely used by NATO propagandists to justify their aggression. The term genocide lost all meaning during the Yugoslav wars. The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
As I said, Serbia strives to move forward. You on the other hand remain firmly wedded to the past.
He said that Serbia "supports the territorial integrity of any state, and Ukraine, therefore, with Crimea"
Am I wrong or is this the really first time a Serbian politician dares to criticize Russia and dares to say that the Russian annexation of Crimea is illegal?
But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2014 15:02)
What are you talking about? The Serbian govt has been completely involved in pinning blame for the wars in the 90s solely on Serbia for over a decade now. How is this 'progress'?
For me, the bigger crimes Serbs committed were allowing the Yugoslav Communist regime to draw up internal borders so that hundreds of thousands of Serbs would be living in republics of Croatia and Bosnia.
So no, it was not a war of "Greater Serbia"...rather trying to correct communist policy. However this came a few decades too late and Serbia got a raw deal. The crime that Serbs committed was not raising the issue of boundaries in the 60s and 70s.
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
@PEN,
Kosova did not sand tanks to Serbia, did not kill over 10 000 civilian in Serbia, did not destroy and looted 200 000 homes etc. Even today Serbia is not helping in unearthing bodies of albanians civilians that you guys trying to hide all over Serbia. PEN youre noise is same as Panda killing where 5 inocent serbians lost their lives from serbian security people so you can blame albanians. Dacic in his statement for first time admitted a lot, but he is short in admitting a genocide. And what you guys did in Kosova is a genocide.
Out of every.one of Serbia's radicals, seems as if Dacic might be the most rehabilitated ? Then again, there is still a lot more to watch & dissect, when it comes to Serbian politics & her politicians!
"For our mistakes, for our wrong ambition, and for our crimes (and we recognized that there were), we paid, and we pay today, a serious price. Those great powers, they do not have to worry about that part. There are no courts for them," said Dačić.
Yes, it's true. The actions of Russia (Ukraine) and the USA (Iraq) will go unpunished. But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
kosovo is a genuine part of serbia even more than crimea is a part of russia. but novorussia is also the part of russia.dont you know that in 18th cent. there were serbs that were settled in there?
I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
I'm surprised you brought up this phony stunt. Even a 10 year old kid can see this was a very poor job of photo shopping. Just look as the size of the "severed head" its as big as a watermelon, totally out of proportion. This is another desperate attempt to discredit Albanians. On the other hand, history is full of documented instances where Serb Chetniks have beheaded civilians. What about the massacre at the Panda cafe of five innocent Serb teenagers by the MUP, and blamed on the KLA. And then, there is the famous "broken bottle case" concerning D. Martinovic in 1986. Shall I continue? Serbs are the Keystone Cops of propaganda!
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
(Ratko, 8 August 2014 16:42)
Ratko,
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 18:44)
Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there. Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
Even if Obama and his white masters decides to move NATO into the rump-ukraine (Banderastan) and hence start a WW3, the only mumbling,zoombie sleepwalking mantra you will hear from those broken records in the serbian quisling regime is the usual, lobotomized: "€U is all we live for and our only goal" and "€U policy is our policy" (I.e that of the US).
That is their stance as imposed represententatives of occupied serbia.If Serbs think otherwise they should make themselves heard, as a large number of volunteers to the anti-Nazi resistance in Novorossiya loud and clearly have done. Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
But then, this is just an observation right.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
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No actually it is a Serbian point of view. But apparently your abilities of observation are extremely limited. You speak of evidence destroyed, what do you call the removal of bodies from Kosovo to Serbia and hidden or incinerated? What do you call the govt hiding of war crime fugitives for years?
I am just saying what was done on the Albanian scale fails in comparison to what Serbia orchestrated and whatever is uncovered will never lessen the guilt of Serbs. Also the court system set up to prosecute Albanians who also faced the same tribunal as Serbs will be held outside of Kosovo and not run by anyone from Kosovo, with no Kosovo judges or prosecutors.
I was merely pointing out that Serbs for the last 4-5 years have hoped that the world would be so shocked by the organ harvesting rumors that they would say that Serbia was somehow justified by their scourge on the other Yugoslavians and it simply is not going to happen.
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Even thou your PM and FM talking about crimes you serbian did in kosovo, even they're unearthing bodies of albanians hided everywhere in serbia you and PEN have a nerve to blame albanians making propaganda. Keep talking because they are people like Peggy from Australia that beleives this bs, there are very few but there are some, and if you repeat often enough, one day you may beleive it yourself.
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Rato,
Unfortunately, killing the enemy is sometimes necessary. For example, the air strikes against ISiS in Iraq and Serbia in 1999. Who else is capable of this urgent task but NATO or the US. However, we all regret the loss of innocent lives by collateral damage.
Precisely. Just as yours is an Albanian point of view. And? My argument on the other hand, if you'd bothered to read what I had written, was that your side hasn't a leg to stand on when spouting off with spurious indignation. The KLA committed war crimes. Nobody of significance has been held accountable. I have no faith in a tribunal established by Serbia's wartime enemies. The ICTY is a case in point. A politically motivated construct that had no intention of punishing those who committed crimes against the Serbs, of which there are many. Don't insult our intelligence with your meally-mouthed arguments. It doesn't impress anybody with an ounce of brains.
Serbia needs to choose a side. You can't be friends with Isreal AND Palestine. You can't be friends with Russia AND respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That's not how it works. Serbia can equip itself. The military of Serbia has a 1.6 billion dollar GDP for the military and can buy itself the newest, best equipment in large numbers. That's how they always worked. It's the rich kid that was born into it (Yugoslavia). It's just that the government is two-faced and hard-headed. They ignore reality. They are scared because they were bombed and want to seem peaceful. Serbia should be neutral, considerate, and and willing to negotiate (in a neutral matter). That's how they can regain their trust by the US, western Europe, and can get a large boost to join the EU. Isn't that their desire.
(Ari Gold, 10 August 2014 01:45)
Funny when the very same people that claim the world will finally know "the truth" about Albanian war crimes which were miniscule in comparison to what is known that the Serbs did, turn around and claim that the world is naïve about what went on during the Yugoslav wars and Serbian crimes.
The only hope Serbs had was to have positive proof with victims and suspects to show that Albanians were guilty of the organ harvesting as they could to show that somehow they were worse.
But alas that fell through the ice as Williamson said he had no definitive proof and if indeed it did happen was on such a small scale that there really will be no interest in actually digging any further on any international scale.
With rumors that it could possibly have happened to less than 10 when in contrast to thousands of victims throughout Yugoslavia, the story's 15 minutes of fame is over.
For somebody whose tag is 'Just an observation' you appear to be very selective in what you actually observe.
Your argument appears to be; you committed more war crimes then we did. So that somehow entitles us to prance about the moral high ground. Really? I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb. Prisoners routinely beaten, tortured and then sadistically finished off. Organs harvested from kidnapped civilians. Whether 10 or 100 it doesn't matter, it's equally gruesome. Burned churches, desecrated cemetaries etc.etc. The list is endless. If all that makes you better than your enemies, well then I take my hat off to you.
Furthermore, it's pointless conducting war crimes trials in a mafia state ruled by clans. People are terrified of testifying against the leadership 15 years after the events took place. It's farcical to suggest otherwise. Evidence was destroyed and witnesses made to dissappear long ago. With Western connivence Albanian war criminals walk free. But then, this is just an observation right.
No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do, so they can hop onto the gravy train and they will use every media manipulation know to mankind in order to get their place on the settee. All must be wary of their infamous duplicity.
He supports the "territorial integrity" of Ukraine (Crimea), but no sanctions against Russia?
He knows that actions speak louder than words.
Serbia is innocent. Russia is innocent. He knows it. Everyone knows it. History is being written and all the pronouncements in the world are not going to change anything.
Certainly the Russians don't care that Serbia is not taking a stand on Crimea. Serbia has seen enough grief from people lying about history. Why should Serbia be a pillar of national integrity is a sea of rot?
I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 14:19)
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Maybe you should not make assurances that are not true. As you see the hype over Williamson's report made a few papers and big on pro serb blogs but it is overshadowed by current world events that really affect people in the world today.
The 10,000 number has only been debunked in the minds of such deniers as yourself as far as the world stage(there is a whole world outside of Serbia you know)that is pretty much the accepted number. You will find differing sources quoting 8000-12000 so most stick with the 10,000.
As far as "what" the Kosovo govt is doing to rid itself of those who may have been involved with actual war crimes they have agreed to let the EU set up and run a court without Kosovo participation in order to remove the speculation of a national coverup of these crimes.
No matter how much Serbs try to keep the "organ harvesting" rumor alive it is going to fizzle. Williamson found NO true evidence, NO suspects, NO victims, when he said that if it did occur you are talking about maybe 10, that put it on a scale that there is not going to be any public outcry for new major investigations into so the end result will be your camp will say it did, others will say it didn't but the bulk of people will say maybe it did maybe it didn't, no one will ever know.
I have seen NO unraveling of US support for Kosovo independence!
'Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?(gjon fusha, 9 August 2014 03:01)'
I'm glad you brought up this issue, amid so much silliness and obfuscation. According to Balkan Insight (our sources are sadly limited) after over one month of delays and trickery, the exhumations at Raska are now continuing, (without journalists present). As I understand, the remains of 50 ppl (Kos Albs)have been exhumed (BA claims 45) but we believe there are hundreds, from 1999, of course. there are over 1700 still missing, the majority are Kos alb's, some hundreds are Serbs or others.
the rep of Kosova dealing w/the exhumations publicly stated the delay was caused when Blgd regime claimed it was out of funds - of course it's all about priorities. Also, "coincidentally" the exhumation stopped just as the announcement was made to pursue past crimes of KLA individuals, which serbian media and their beloved KArla interpreted to mean "organ snatching." you decide.
We also have to keep in mind that many of the bodies of Kos Albs will never turn up since they were incinerated.
Background of Raska: http://instituteforgenocide.org/?p=8129
How could you possibly know that? By the way not Albanian, but am one of those countries that did put a stop to your atrocities.
(just an observation, 11 August 2014 16:14)
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
“Технология победы очень простая. Ее, собственно, сегодня реализуют украинские войска. Так же, как в свое время американцы реализовали это относительно Белграда. Это уничтожение инфраструктуры, создание рукотворной гуманитарной катастрофы, когда не работает канализация, когда нет воды, электричества. И когда население само уже говорит: все, давайте любой ценой остановим войну, сдадимся, мы не можем жить в ситуации, когда из унитаза течет содержимое канализации. Эта технология была в свое время отработана американцами в Сербии. Я думаю, ровно ее же делают сегодня украинцы. “
"No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do..."
(No voter, 9 August 2014 10:20)
According to latest polls, the majority (i.e more than 50%) want to join EU. Of course only Serbs in Serbia were asked - it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
It is imperative Serbia Join the EU and the US in imposing sanctions against Russia. Serbia is aiding the enemy, Russia, by not supporting sanctions. If Serbia refuses, there should be an immediate halt of donations for flood related charities and a suspension of all activities leading to EU and NATO membership. Furthermore, the construction of the South Stream pipeline must be ended. All trucks from Serbia carrying products to Russia must be banned from traveling over roads of all countries participating in sanctions.
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
The government of Serbia is installed by US. The government of Ukraine is installed by US. The government of Europe are installed by US. etc.. etc... It appears that the US is the most powerful country in the world. But, we hear the most patriotic of Serbs and the CE of B92 forums sj who says that the US has collapsed and run of of cash. So, which story should we believe?!
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Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
Like the brotherly relations between the slabs in Ukraine and Russia?!
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Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
How comes that the rest of BRICS and the free world are not supporting Russia's policy in regards to Ukraine? It's hard to find examples in the last few decades where Russia has been so alone as it is in Ukraine. Now, you and rote might sell Vladimir's successes to Russia's populace, but it's pretty naive/delusional when you try to do it here.
How sarcastic. And yet totally predictable. By the way I said an Albanian point of view. I didn't say you were Albanian. Incidentally you don't have to be Serbian to sympathise with the plight of the Serbs. But I suppose you Serbophobic armchair bombardiers wouldn't understand that. Curious to see after Williamson's report whether the thuggish KLA leaders in armani suits will finally get their come uppance. I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
- it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 August 2014 17:06
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How about you ask the Greeks, Romanians etc. etc. etc. if they have a decent life.
What exactly has changed for them?
Given one of your sick ethnic kin has just posted images of severing the head of a Syrian man, I think it highly likely your KLA 'heroes' were capable of such grisly acts. I suspect your esteemed leaders are having sleepless nights after the recent report by the war crimes investigator. (An American no-less!)
I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 17:08)
Actually, you are wrong, I support the punishment of any Albanian that were responsible for war crimes as defined by international sources(meaning those who know what war crimes are and do not just consider being Albanian is enough to convict). Unlike you who thinks that any Serb who kills non Serbs is good and pure.
By the way I think that Thaci and Harradinaj were instrumental in opposing the brutality of Serb forces and played a major role in securing the independence of Kosovo, but neither are the right person to lead Kosovo in the post war phase.
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
(Kasey B., 9 August 2014 01:51)
That's ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people in the civilized world have absolutely no opinion on the Yugoslav Wars in the 90s. To most ordinary people, that war was a flash in the pan and therefore there isn't such strong opinions one way or the other regarding that issue. You are deliberately lying when you say that Westerners by and large share this sentiment, they do not.
Of course there are extremists and hateful bigots like Ian, UK and a couple of self-proclaimed Germans that come on here. This is an obvious place for them to meet, but they are few and far between. They also have countless of other problems and mental complexes that render them fringe even in their own societies.
And just maybe, the Western mainstream takes initiative and rewrites the wrongs that were told in the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8
Kasey, please stop blowing smoke, talking nonsense and claiming that you ACTUALLY know what world opinion is. Those in the "know" know that people like you have completely NO GRASP on what's really happening or has happened and why has it happened. Take your garbage somwhere else!!!
@PEN,
Kosova did not sand tanks to Serbia, did not kill over 10 000 civilian in Serbia, did not destroy and looted 200 000 homes etc. Even today Serbia is not helping in unearthing bodies of albanians civilians that you guys trying to hide all over Serbia. PEN youre noise is same as Panda killing where 5 inocent serbians lost their lives from serbian security people so you can blame albanians. Dacic in his statement for first time admitted a lot, but he is short in admitting a genocide. And what you guys did in Kosova is a genocide.
Out of every.one of Serbia's radicals, seems as if Dacic might be the most rehabilitated ? Then again, there is still a lot more to watch & dissect, when it comes to Serbian politics & her politicians!
"For our mistakes, for our wrong ambition, and for our crimes (and we recognized that there were), we paid, and we pay today, a serious price. Those great powers, they do not have to worry about that part. There are no courts for them," said Dačić.
Yes, it's true. The actions of Russia (Ukraine) and the USA (Iraq) will go unpunished. But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
But it's a progress that he admits the crimes committed by Serbs in the name of 'greater Serbia'
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2014 15:02)
What are you talking about? The Serbian govt has been completely involved in pinning blame for the wars in the 90s solely on Serbia for over a decade now. How is this 'progress'?
For me, the bigger crimes Serbs committed were allowing the Yugoslav Communist regime to draw up internal borders so that hundreds of thousands of Serbs would be living in republics of Croatia and Bosnia.
So no, it was not a war of "Greater Serbia"...rather trying to correct communist policy. However this came a few decades too late and Serbia got a raw deal. The crime that Serbs committed was not raising the issue of boundaries in the 60s and 70s.
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
The 10.000 figure was debunked long ago. As was the 250.000 for Bosnia. During the bombardment itself 100.000 dead was the number routinely used by NATO propagandists to justify their aggression. The term genocide lost all meaning during the Yugoslav wars. The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
As I said, Serbia strives to move forward. You on the other hand remain firmly wedded to the past.
And what of Albanian 'politicians' in Kosovo. How do they seek to re-habilitate themselves of the grisly war crimes they stand accused of? Never mind the gangsterism with which they indulge in to this day. You and the other Albanian trolls have nothing to gloat about. At least the present leaders of Serbia look to the future. I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
Serbia needs to choose a side. You can't be friends with Isreal AND Palestine. You can't be friends with Russia AND respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That's not how it works. Serbia can equip itself. The military of Serbia has a 1.6 billion dollar GDP for the military and can buy itself the newest, best equipment in large numbers. That's how they always worked. It's the rich kid that was born into it (Yugoslavia). It's just that the government is two-faced and hard-headed. They ignore reality. They are scared because they were bombed and want to seem peaceful. Serbia should be neutral, considerate, and and willing to negotiate (in a neutral matter). That's how they can regain their trust by the US, western Europe, and can get a large boost to join the EU. Isn't that their desire.
Ya you're right albanian terrorists were only murdering and kidnapping people for fun with nato blessing and training. You are so pathetic with your propaganda! Give it up noone believe that garbage you write. nato can no longer hide its' lies with fake false flags. People see through that BS today. nato is a global occupier or modern day pirates.
You're right Serbia I guess was not even allowed to protect its people and territory. They should have just allowed albanian terrorists to continue causing havoc.
(Ratko, 8 August 2014 16:42)
Ratko,
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
But then, this is just an observation right.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
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No actually it is a Serbian point of view. But apparently your abilities of observation are extremely limited. You speak of evidence destroyed, what do you call the removal of bodies from Kosovo to Serbia and hidden or incinerated? What do you call the govt hiding of war crime fugitives for years?
I am just saying what was done on the Albanian scale fails in comparison to what Serbia orchestrated and whatever is uncovered will never lessen the guilt of Serbs. Also the court system set up to prosecute Albanians who also faced the same tribunal as Serbs will be held outside of Kosovo and not run by anyone from Kosovo, with no Kosovo judges or prosecutors.
I was merely pointing out that Serbs for the last 4-5 years have hoped that the world would be so shocked by the organ harvesting rumors that they would say that Serbia was somehow justified by their scourge on the other Yugoslavians and it simply is not going to happen.
He said that Serbia "supports the territorial integrity of any state, and Ukraine, therefore, with Crimea"
Am I wrong or is this the really first time a Serbian politician dares to criticize Russia and dares to say that the Russian annexation of Crimea is illegal?
kosovo is a genuine part of serbia even more than crimea is a part of russia. but novorussia is also the part of russia.dont you know that in 18th cent. there were serbs that were settled in there?
He supports the "territorial integrity" of Ukraine (Crimea), but no sanctions against Russia?
He knows that actions speak louder than words.
Serbia is innocent. Russia is innocent. He knows it. Everyone knows it. History is being written and all the pronouncements in the world are not going to change anything.
Certainly the Russians don't care that Serbia is not taking a stand on Crimea. Serbia has seen enough grief from people lying about history. Why should Serbia be a pillar of national integrity is a sea of rot?
The fact that you and your kind still hate the Serbs despite going your own way 15 years ago, says much about your twisted mindset.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 18:44)
Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?
For somebody whose tag is 'Just an observation' you appear to be very selective in what you actually observe.
Your argument appears to be; you committed more war crimes then we did. So that somehow entitles us to prance about the moral high ground. Really? I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb. Prisoners routinely beaten, tortured and then sadistically finished off. Organs harvested from kidnapped civilians. Whether 10 or 100 it doesn't matter, it's equally gruesome. Burned churches, desecrated cemetaries etc.etc. The list is endless. If all that makes you better than your enemies, well then I take my hat off to you.
Furthermore, it's pointless conducting war crimes trials in a mafia state ruled by clans. People are terrified of testifying against the leadership 15 years after the events took place. It's farcical to suggest otherwise. Evidence was destroyed and witnesses made to dissappear long ago. With Western connivence Albanian war criminals walk free. But then, this is just an observation right.
I can assure you even your American patrons are sick of you.
(PEN, 8 August 2014 14:19)
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Maybe you should not make assurances that are not true. As you see the hype over Williamson's report made a few papers and big on pro serb blogs but it is overshadowed by current world events that really affect people in the world today.
The 10,000 number has only been debunked in the minds of such deniers as yourself as far as the world stage(there is a whole world outside of Serbia you know)that is pretty much the accepted number. You will find differing sources quoting 8000-12000 so most stick with the 10,000.
As far as "what" the Kosovo govt is doing to rid itself of those who may have been involved with actual war crimes they have agreed to let the EU set up and run a court without Kosovo participation in order to remove the speculation of a national coverup of these crimes.
No matter how much Serbs try to keep the "organ harvesting" rumor alive it is going to fizzle. Williamson found NO true evidence, NO suspects, NO victims, when he said that if it did occur you are talking about maybe 10, that put it on a scale that there is not going to be any public outcry for new major investigations into so the end result will be your camp will say it did, others will say it didn't but the bulk of people will say maybe it did maybe it didn't, no one will ever know.
I have seen NO unraveling of US support for Kosovo independence!
- it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 August 2014 17:06
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How about you ask the Greeks, Romanians etc. etc. etc. if they have a decent life.
What exactly has changed for them?
Precisely. Just as yours is an Albanian point of view. And? My argument on the other hand, if you'd bothered to read what I had written, was that your side hasn't a leg to stand on when spouting off with spurious indignation. The KLA committed war crimes. Nobody of significance has been held accountable. I have no faith in a tribunal established by Serbia's wartime enemies. The ICTY is a case in point. A politically motivated construct that had no intention of punishing those who committed crimes against the Serbs, of which there are many. Don't insult our intelligence with your meally-mouthed arguments. It doesn't impress anybody with an ounce of brains.
How could you possibly know that? By the way not Albanian, but am one of those countries that did put a stop to your atrocities.
(just an observation, 11 August 2014 16:14)
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there. Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
Even if Obama and his white masters decides to move NATO into the rump-ukraine (Banderastan) and hence start a WW3, the only mumbling,zoombie sleepwalking mantra you will hear from those broken records in the serbian quisling regime is the usual, lobotomized: "€U is all we live for and our only goal" and "€U policy is our policy" (I.e that of the US).
That is their stance as imposed represententatives of occupied serbia.If Serbs think otherwise they should make themselves heard, as a large number of volunteers to the anti-Nazi resistance in Novorossiya loud and clearly have done. Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do, so they can hop onto the gravy train and they will use every media manipulation know to mankind in order to get their place on the settee. All must be wary of their infamous duplicity.
'Maybe this twisted mindset has something to do with crimes that your FM is talking about? Or with the fact that even after 15 years you talk about not having enough money to continue unearthing albanians bodies hided all over Serbia?(gjon fusha, 9 August 2014 03:01)'
I'm glad you brought up this issue, amid so much silliness and obfuscation. According to Balkan Insight (our sources are sadly limited) after over one month of delays and trickery, the exhumations at Raska are now continuing, (without journalists present). As I understand, the remains of 50 ppl (Kos Albs)have been exhumed (BA claims 45) but we believe there are hundreds, from 1999, of course. there are over 1700 still missing, the majority are Kos alb's, some hundreds are Serbs or others.
the rep of Kosova dealing w/the exhumations publicly stated the delay was caused when Blgd regime claimed it was out of funds - of course it's all about priorities. Also, "coincidentally" the exhumation stopped just as the announcement was made to pursue past crimes of KLA individuals, which serbian media and their beloved KArla interpreted to mean "organ snatching." you decide.
We also have to keep in mind that many of the bodies of Kos Albs will never turn up since they were incinerated.
Background of Raska: http://instituteforgenocide.org/?p=8129
(Ari Gold, 10 August 2014 01:45)
Funny when the very same people that claim the world will finally know "the truth" about Albanian war crimes which were miniscule in comparison to what is known that the Serbs did, turn around and claim that the world is naïve about what went on during the Yugoslav wars and Serbian crimes.
The only hope Serbs had was to have positive proof with victims and suspects to show that Albanians were guilty of the organ harvesting as they could to show that somehow they were worse.
But alas that fell through the ice as Williamson said he had no definitive proof and if indeed it did happen was on such a small scale that there really will be no interest in actually digging any further on any international scale.
With rumors that it could possibly have happened to less than 10 when in contrast to thousands of victims throughout Yugoslavia, the story's 15 minutes of fame is over.
How sarcastic. And yet totally predictable. By the way I said an Albanian point of view. I didn't say you were Albanian. Incidentally you don't have to be Serbian to sympathise with the plight of the Serbs. But I suppose you Serbophobic armchair bombardiers wouldn't understand that. Curious to see after Williamson's report whether the thuggish KLA leaders in armani suits will finally get their come uppance. I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Even thou your PM and FM talking about crimes you serbian did in kosovo, even they're unearthing bodies of albanians hided everywhere in serbia you and PEN have a nerve to blame albanians making propaganda. Keep talking because they are people like Peggy from Australia that beleives this bs, there are very few but there are some, and if you repeat often enough, one day you may beleive it yourself.
I recall seeing images of grimacing KLA fighters holding the severed head of a Serb.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 11:10)
I'm surprised you brought up this phony stunt. Even a 10 year old kid can see this was a very poor job of photo shopping. Just look as the size of the "severed head" its as big as a watermelon, totally out of proportion. This is another desperate attempt to discredit Albanians. On the other hand, history is full of documented instances where Serb Chetniks have beheaded civilians. What about the massacre at the Panda cafe of five innocent Serb teenagers by the MUP, and blamed on the KLA. And then, there is the famous "broken bottle case" concerning D. Martinovic in 1986. Shall I continue? Serbs are the Keystone Cops of propaganda!
Your Chetnik mentality is clouding your perception of reality. World opinion is with Gjon, denying Serbia's war crimes is only making you look foolish. Many Serbs have been convicted of the worst war crimes yet you think there is some sort of conspiracy against the Serbs. Even your own leaders are finally admitting Serbia was guilty of genocide. This is common knowledge to the civilized world. The longer people like you continue to deny well documented Serb war crimes the longer Serbia will suffer.
(Kasey B., 9 August 2014 01:51)
That's ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people in the civilized world have absolutely no opinion on the Yugoslav Wars in the 90s. To most ordinary people, that war was a flash in the pan and therefore there isn't such strong opinions one way or the other regarding that issue. You are deliberately lying when you say that Westerners by and large share this sentiment, they do not.
Of course there are extremists and hateful bigots like Ian, UK and a couple of self-proclaimed Germans that come on here. This is an obvious place for them to meet, but they are few and far between. They also have countless of other problems and mental complexes that render them fringe even in their own societies.
And just maybe, the Western mainstream takes initiative and rewrites the wrongs that were told in the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzdXoRH2H8
“Технология победы очень простая. Ее, собственно, сегодня реализуют украинские войска. Так же, как в свое время американцы реализовали это относительно Белграда. Это уничтожение инфраструктуры, создание рукотворной гуманитарной катастрофы, когда не работает канализация, когда нет воды, электричества. И когда население само уже говорит: все, давайте любой ценой остановим войну, сдадимся, мы не можем жить в ситуации, когда из унитаза течет содержимое канализации. Эта технология была в свое время отработана американцами в Сербии. Я думаю, ровно ее же делают сегодня украинцы. “
Given one of your sick ethnic kin has just posted images of severing the head of a Syrian man, I think it highly likely your KLA 'heroes' were capable of such grisly acts. I suspect your esteemed leaders are having sleepless nights after the recent report by the war crimes investigator. (An American no-less!)
It is imperative Serbia Join the EU and the US in imposing sanctions against Russia. Serbia is aiding the enemy, Russia, by not supporting sanctions. If Serbia refuses, there should be an immediate halt of donations for flood related charities and a suspension of all activities leading to EU and NATO membership. Furthermore, the construction of the South Stream pipeline must be ended. All trucks from Serbia carrying products to Russia must be banned from traveling over roads of all countries participating in sanctions.
Of course, the US imposed quisling cult can only handle issues they where installed for and programmed to do, that is to be expected and that is what they have done since day 1. There should be no surprise there.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
The government of Serbia is installed by US. The government of Ukraine is installed by US. The government of Europe are installed by US. etc.. etc... It appears that the US is the most powerful country in the world. But, we hear the most patriotic of Serbs and the CE of B92 forums sj who says that the US has collapsed and run of of cash. So, which story should we believe?!
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Their stance is that of their patrons no matter what the brootherly relations between Serbs and Russians/orthodox slavs in the Russian periphery.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
Like the brotherly relations between the slabs in Ukraine and Russia?!
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Ultimately and inevitably, it will boil down to a choice everyone will be forced to take regardless: Fighting for the anglo-american empire on decline or that of Serbian interests, Russia,BRICS and the free world.
(fas, 9 August 2014 07:17)
How comes that the rest of BRICS and the free world are not supporting Russia's policy in regards to Ukraine? It's hard to find examples in the last few decades where Russia has been so alone as it is in Ukraine. Now, you and rote might sell Vladimir's successes to Russia's populace, but it's pretty naive/delusional when you try to do it here.
What a propagandist troll you are. Stop spreading lies on the internet. The real attrocities were done by nato and albanian terrorists. nato kills people every day across the globe.
(Ratko, 11 August 2014 17:48)
Rato,
Unfortunately, killing the enemy is sometimes necessary. For example, the air strikes against ISiS in Iraq and Serbia in 1999. Who else is capable of this urgent task but NATO or the US. However, we all regret the loss of innocent lives by collateral damage.
"No Ks Serbs generally don't want to join the EU. The politicians do..."
(No voter, 9 August 2014 10:20)
According to latest polls, the majority (i.e more than 50%) want to join EU. Of course only Serbs in Serbia were asked - it makes no sense to ask the 100,000s of lucky Serbs who emigrated to Australia, USA, Canada, the UK, Germany right on time if they want to join the EU - they already have a decent live.
Kasey, please stop blowing smoke, talking nonsense and claiming that you ACTUALLY know what world opinion is. Those in the "know" know that people like you have completely NO GRASP on what's really happening or has happened and why has it happened. Take your garbage somwhere else!!!
I bet that would piss you off wouldn't it.
(PEN, 11 August 2014 17:08)
Actually, you are wrong, I support the punishment of any Albanian that were responsible for war crimes as defined by international sources(meaning those who know what war crimes are and do not just consider being Albanian is enough to convict). Unlike you who thinks that any Serb who kills non Serbs is good and pure.
By the way I think that Thaci and Harradinaj were instrumental in opposing the brutality of Serb forces and played a major role in securing the independence of Kosovo, but neither are the right person to lead Kosovo in the post war phase.
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