46% of Serbians now support membership in EU

It’s been 23 years that Moldova sustains from entering Romania. Though many influential people on two continents strive hard to push them there. The biggest problem is that the Moldovans prefer to be first rate Moldovans to second rate Romanians. Also they can see that 5 years of EU membership made the Romanians ever poor than they used to be. Finally Moldovans are a pro-Russian people with 200 years of joint history. Same with the Serbs who before making such a vital step to the anglo-saxon world should estimate the risks. Sucking like the Poles ? Jumping like the Banderasts ? Smiling like the Albanians ? Complaining like the Bulgarians ? Protesting like the Hungarians ? Is it the Serbian way to trust historical enemies ?

“There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stsirway to heaven …

… There's a sign on the wall,
But she wants to be sure
Cos you know sometimes words have to meanings
In a tree by the brook
There's a songbird who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven”

http://music.yandex.ru/#!/track/5706792/album/626143

The President of the EUSSR (yes there is actually an EU President and no he's not democratically elected by anyone) Jean-Claude Juncker recently said that there will be no EU enlargement for "at least" 5 more years. This means Serbia is looking at least at another decade of failed policy, stagnant economy and no growth just because her government wants to continue sacrificing their country's future to join a sinking Titanic.

I cannot for the life of me believe that as much as 46% of Serbia's population is so unintelligent to want to surrender sovereignty to the new Soviet Union. Fortunately Serbia will never join so that's good, but how many more years will be lost chasing what is unreachable?

The C*unt of Kosova

Why are so worried about ? Otherwise КАКОЕ ТВОЕ АЛБАНСКОЕ ДЕЛО ? Do you think you can influence anything ? I could give you a retrospective of the Russian-Serbian relations for the last 200 years but it will change nothing in your mind. So I’ll just summarize: WE LOVE EACH OTHER ! And I guess it’s the biggest Albanian problem because there’s not a single people on this beautiful planet whom you could say the same words.

Since less than half of the population supports the EU, than the EU should stop the membership proccess with Serbia.

Willi-ibn-Pfaff-Abu-Ali-ibn-Sina-Friedrich-von-Barbarossa-Julio-Iglesias-Masutatsu-Oyama-al-Fattah

• “Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public.”

At least Serbs have a choice as they are comparatively free. Meanwhile you Albanians are sentenced to do what the west tells you to do. And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how the rest of the world hates and despises you. Just think about it I have never seen an alive Albanian. So what must I think about this people after reading the posts of the outstanding thinkers like Rocky , Willie ,The C*unt and the kind ? as a result for me Albanians are low educated and silly people to come here and expose their ignorance every day. Why should you ? Does it help you in your tragic and prospect less situation ? The choice of Serbia is the choice of the Serbs and it merely can influence Russia’s readiness to withstand the west’s pressure. We have already accepted the challenge and it’s Serbia’s turn to make their choice. And Albanian stance will be the last thing they are going to take into the consideration. So everything you do here is stupid.

Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public. (Willi Pfaff, 5 August 2014 21:34)
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Willi, Willi, Willi, you can stop with trying to spread false information and stop hoping you will put a wedge between us and the Russians.
We all know that we can get any desired answer simply by asking the question in a certain way or by polling the right demographic.
The only poll that counts is the election or a referendum but somehow I don't think that Serbian politicians will be brave enough to allow this to go to a referendum.

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.
(Danilo, 6 August 2014 11:04)
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Yeah, just like the referendum they had in Ireland and then again and again until they got the one they wanted.
I am talking about a real referendum.

Ari Gold

Congratulations ! Serbia becomes the biggest food exporter to Russia !

“Путин запретил в течение года ввозить в Россию сельскохозяйственную продукцию, сырье и продовольствие из стран, которые ввели против РФ санкции.”

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/economy/20140806/1019040388.html#ixzz39ctmRp8D

Is it the Serbian way to trust historical enemies ?


[link]/#!/track/5706792/album/626143
(rote, 5 August 2014 20:31)


Rote,

What has Russia ever done for Serbia? They have abandoned Serbia as they have every other country that has been dependent on them. You should read some history rather than blindly believe in Russia.

Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public. The overall majority of Serbs want a free western type democracy, and do not want to live in a putin style facist country. Human rights are high on the agenda, 61% want a solution of the Kosovo issue , irregardless if the EU demands it or not, and these 61% do not want tanks to roll, like some people advocate here.

Bad news for a lot of the Putin fans that love to spill their guts here, and a good signal for Serbia.

Willi-Saakashvili-ul-Haq-ibn-Pfaff-Adolf-ben-Gurion-al-Hattab-von-Ribbentrop-Mahatma-Kelmendi-Ash-Shabab-говнюк-Uniat-del-Clown.

“The most disliked people in the West are Russians, especially after Putin showed his facist face...“

• This much I almost agree. For the time being we are the most hated on this one continent because we gave no pretext to unload the US 17,7 trillion debts , because we are to set the Europeans free from the colonial chains, because we back our people in Ukraine bombed day and night , because we try to save you from the approaching cold winter caused by Elnigno , because we have evidence of who has dropped the B-777 , because we are able to unmask the western mass media , because we can turn into dust the whole Evil’s world in the west , because we try to defend the rights of other peoples including the Albanians , because they have nothing to twist our hands and make us obey and bark at a command only ect. They not so much hate but fear us while if you remember my post they also despise the Albanians. Can you see the difference ?
• As for Putin he showed his face way back 7 years ago during his Munich speech. There’s nothing new that he has said or done ever since. Please check it below. In Wikipedia the text is available only in Russian but you may find it in the web.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%FE%ED%F5%E5%ED%F1%EA%E0%FF_%F0%E5%F7%FC_%CF%F3%F2%E8%ED%E0

the rest of your post I did not read … as usual

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.
(Danilo, 6 August 2014 11:04)

Danilo the problem is in the "new Europe" the EUSSR, democratic elections and referendums are a nuisance for the central planners in Brussels. So when France and Netherlands voted against the "EU Constitution", they repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty". Even one EU extremist at the time said the beauty of calling it a treaty is that it doesn't need to pass a referendum.

Then even when Ireland held a vote on the treaty itself as Peggy alluded to, they had to keep voting over and over until they gave the "correct" answer.

EU or die are the choices as far as the Western Soviets are concerned. I wouldn't wish this monstrosity on my worst enemy.

Spoken like a true judgmental and arrogant tight-ass german.
(Gerhard, 6 August 2014 12:54)

WHAT YOU MEAN ? HE IS THE ONE EXPELLED FROM A PRISON IN TIRANA FOR HIS BAD BEHAVIOR. NEITHER DOES HE KNOWS WHERE GERMANY IS. IF WILLIE GOEBBLES IS A GERMAN THEN I AM THE INDIAN JOE AND JOE BONNANO AT THE TIME !

Still too much ..i don't think that in most eu this percentage would be so great maybe in the 25-30 %.. Strange SERBS ...At the same time they seem pro-Russian and pro-EU in their maiority !!!

Since less than half of the population supports the EU, than the EU should stop the membership proccess with Serbia.
(rob, 5 August 2014 19:45)
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Since when does EU care what people want?

@ willi Pfaff
You said, "Anybody that has had the pleasure of meeting russians in vacation resorts will tell you, that they do not make a faverable impression. We prefer to stay away from their loud drunken and obnoxious parties."

Spoken like a true judgmental and arrogant tight-ass german.

You live in the west, and even we disagree on a lot, you want to be able to express yourself, speak your mind, which you like anybody else has any right to, and that would not be possible in a country like Russia. (Willi Pfaff, 6 August 2014 22:11)
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I can't comment on how free or not free the press is there and neither can you with any certainty. I live in the west, just like you, and can tell you that the press in the west is not free to broadcast the truth. Unless they follow the prescribed doctrine of the powers that be, including the people who own the media, you will not get a job or an interviews with politicians.
So how free are they really? I can see the rubbish in our media and it makes me cringe. The rubbish that they feed us is not fit for an intelligent mind so when so many people are exposed to the same falsehoods they are not equipped to make good decisions. Yes, they can make decisions but most likely they will be in agreement with the current foreign policy of the government.

There is no democracy anywhere. We, in the west, are working long hours and are priced out of having quiality of life. We are too tired and in many cases browbeaten to worry about foreign policy of our country and thaqt's the way they like us. Of course not all but most of the citizens live this way and think that what they hear on the radio, see the news on tv is the way it is because they don't have the time or energy to look in other places.

@(Ari Gold, 6 August 2014 16:08)
Ari, you say that you are concerned about peoples will, what they want, and that their will should be governing a countries politics. Fully agree with you on that, because it reflects democratic believe. But how can you than support a totalitarien country like Russia, which doesn't allow opposition, which has no free media, and if you oppose the ruling dictator, you end up in jail or a gulag? That is no western propaganda, that is reality in Russia. You live in the west, and even we disagree on a lot, you want to be able to express yourself, speak your mind, which you like anybody else has any right to, and that would not be possible in a country like Russia. You couldn't live the life you are used to in a place like that.

And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how the rest of the world hates and despises you Albaniens
Rote, some time today

hahaha, your ignorance speaks for itself. The most disliked people in the West are Russians, especially after Putin showed his facist face to the rest of the world, and thinks people here believe his lies. Russia very fast is turning into a facist country, and people in the West are very well aware of it. You know one of the reasons is that we have a free press, and do not get fed the propaganda lies of the that horrible dictator which runs Russia these days, and brainwashes its people.

Anybody that has had the pleasure of meeting russians in vacation resorts will tell you, that they do not make a faverable impression. We prefer to stay away from their loud drunken and obnoxious parties. One of my closest and oldest fiends, American, is the CEO of a big western company in Moscow. Through him I get first hand information of the situation in Moscow and the rest of the country, and it is not good. A country where corruption is found on almost any level of society, especially police and public administration, no freedom of press, human rights don't exist, militarism and facist thoughts are found in big parts of society, anti-Semitism is common, and its leader Putin actually should be in a mental asylum if he really believes the news he is feeding his own people. Russia by far is the most unpopular country anywhere in the West, and not just there.

WilliPfaff

Actually, I'm not as big of a "Russophile" as many of my compatriots are. Some people I know would fully accept becoming a republic of Russia for a Russian military base. Some people think that Serbia should its entire society and economy towards Russia.

I believe that is impractical primarily because despite our similarities, Serbia has a much different historical, societal but as well as geo-political reality than say a Belarus that borders Russia.

That said, Russia doesn't try to hamper Serbia's relationship with the West. Russia never asked Serbia to slap sanctions on the EU. It is Western policy makers that try to meddle and force a rift between Russia and Serbia. As Rote pointed out here, Serbia just became the largest food exporter to Russia. This is relationship important. Doesn't mean Serbia shouldn't be exporting more to the West as well.

As far as Ukraine, the EU threw the first stone by forcing Yanukovuch to choose between Russia and the EU. So at least he stuck to his ideology unlike Vucic and our former nationalists turned "modernizers" and chose Russia. Then the EU encouraged the Western Ukrainians to get violent similarly to how they encouraged the Bosnian Muslims to reject peace in the 90s.

What about the South Stream? The EUSSR tries to force Serbia to abandon it even though EU countries are already taking part in it. Why shouldn't Serbia do things in its interests just to satisfy the Brussels central planners.

Just think about it I have never seen an alive Albanian.
(rote, 6 August 2014 08:45)

Rote,

You getting trapped by your past contradictory statements. e.g. You previously said you had been to Albania. How, then, did you not see any Albanians, were you blindfolded during your visit? I must say your statements are becoming more erratic and nonsensical. I believe the stress of possibly going hungry in the near future due to Putin's recent banning of Western food shipments has tipped you over the edge. I fear you are heading for a nervous breakdown.

The C*unt of Kosova

“You previously said you had been to Albania.”

• I would like to … but I had no chance. So you must be talking about someone else. Also you should know that I have no hatred to any nation. So everything I tell the local Albanians is my reaction for extremism and idiotism but not the Albanians as people. I hate what you have done in KIM and the coward way you have done it. But as soon as you shake hands with my brothers you will have me as an ally.

“I believe the stress of possibly going hungry in the near future due to Putin's recent banning of Western food shipments”

• Pussy you don’t know what you are talking about because you have the mentality of a slave while I am a free man. Several years ago Russia started to prepare for the conflict. One of the steps undertaken was the Program of Food Security. As a result we now export foods and buy only 10-30% in every segment. So forget about hunger at least in Russia. As for Putin we people love him and we are ready to suffer losses and discomfort or fall of the living standards. Also if you remember it was Russia who engaged the food embargo on EU.

.

(Willi pfaff, 8 August 2014 12:34)

Neither Russia nor the EU is ever going to "help" Serbia. Moreover, Serbia should never accept such assistance from anyone. The EU spends money in Serbia because that's what empires do when they wish to expand (despite the fact EU citizens are against enlargement). Russia spends money in Serbia to secure its stake in NIS and the South Stream Pipeline that will run through Serbia.

Both sides have their interest, and I am not viewing either of it as "help". But South Stream is happening, and it is in Serbia's interest. Also, it's in the interest of a handful of other EU countries that it will be going through... and private shareholders in the project that just so happen to be German, French and Italian investment firms. Nabbuco isn't happening, South Stream is.

And it's in Serbia's interest to participate. It's not in Serbia's interest to sanction Russia at a time when the only country in the continent that can even sell food to Russia (apart from alcohol and chocolates) is Serbia.

Sorry, it's nothing personal. You know we really love the EU and thank them for all their humanitarian work in Serbia during the late 90s... but business is business.

And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how I and the rest of the world hate and despise you Albaniens
rote,

Rote,

Caught in another lie, you previously said that you hate no one.

I don't think that Serbian politicians will be brave enough to allow this to go to a referendum.
(Peggy, 6 August 2014 02:41)

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.

@ Ari @ Peggy

I have been driving through a big part of Europe in the past 24 hours, including Serbia (thanks B92 for the great music), and I tell u , it's always nice to see that most borders don't exist anymore, that we have a common curancy in a lot of countries, and believe it or not, there is something like a feeling of being a European first, before u look at your ethnic nationality. I at least and a lot of people do feel like that. And what is most important, the EU brought peace to this continent which for so long fought its silly wars.

Peggy, I understand what you say, agree that a lot of times the western stress related lifestyle hinders us from being free, but we have the opportunity to take our lives in our own hands, Drop out if we want to, live a lifestyle that suits us, and speak our mind without having to fear consequences. Almost anything is possible nowadays, and individual freedom is one of our achievements. A place like Russia doesn't have that. At least in Germany we do have freedom press. I can choose from papers that reflect almost any political spectrum. Because of the way our tv networks are organized, we have a lot of political magazines and documentaries which are very controversial and certainly do not follow the governments ideas. I guess we are unique in that respect, especially compared to the us where u do not find that.

Ari, I will answer u tomorrow. I have been on my feed for Lmost 24 hours now, and need some rest.

@ari from 2 dass ago

Ari, serbia is a Western European Country, and dispite it's religious and some historical connections, which a lot of times are overestimated, should have its future in the west and in the EU. The overwhelming majority of its citizens want that as well.
Whatever Russia is doing to help Serbia is complety overestimated. Russia doesn't give money to Serbia. It only gives loans which have to be paid back with intrest. The EU does give lots of money to be invested in infrasracture, like roads, etc and direct help to bring Serbia on EU level, and that money does not to be paid back. Rote s claim that Serbia will be Russia's biggest supplier in agriculture remains to be seen. Fact is that Serbia sells a lot more to EU counties than to Russia.
When it comes to the EU's current policy towards Russia, it is important that Serbia takes the eu's stance. Peace in Europe depends on stopping Putin, and if Serbia wants to be part of the west, it also has to show support. It can't just only take, it also has to give.
South stream is dead anyway, because nobody in the eu will buy even more Russian gas and get more depend and on Putin Russia. Besides that, if a country enters into contracts with other countries, they have to be according to eu law, which isn't the case.
In the case of the ukrain / Russia conflict, I do disagree with u, and think the current situation is mainly Russia's fault. The west is maybe 20% to blame, the rest is Russia's fault.

Well, a politician who does exclude inquisitive journalists from interviews would soon be out of his/her job. And a media owner that just follows the doctrine of powers to be and does not hire objective journalists would soon see his/her media go bankrupt.
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Do you live in the west or not?
Shows how little you know about this.

I can't comment on how free or not free the press is there and neither can you with any certainty.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Actually, it's sufficient to read the comments of our dear friend rote to make that determination...
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I live in the west, just like you, and can tell you that the press in the west is not free to broadcast the truth. Unless they follow the prescribed doctrine of the powers that be, including the people who own the media, you will not get a job or an interviews with politicians.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Well, a politician who does exclude inquisitive journalists from interviews would soon be out of his/her job. And a media owner that just follows the doctrine of powers to be and does not hire objective journalists would soon see his/her media go bankrupt.
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Yes, they can make decisions but most likely they will be in agreement with the current foreign policy of the government.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Well, that is obvious. The government is elected by a majority of the people so it is likely the majority of the people will agree with the government. If they don't agree, they elect another government. So, I'm not sure I understand where the problem is.

Is it the Serbian way to trust historical enemies ?


[link]/#!/track/5706792/album/626143
(rote, 5 August 2014 20:31)


Rote,

What has Russia ever done for Serbia? They have abandoned Serbia as they have every other country that has been dependent on them. You should read some history rather than blindly believe in Russia.

And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how the rest of the world hates and despises you Albaniens
Rote, some time today

hahaha, your ignorance speaks for itself. The most disliked people in the West are Russians, especially after Putin showed his facist face to the rest of the world, and thinks people here believe his lies. Russia very fast is turning into a facist country, and people in the West are very well aware of it. You know one of the reasons is that we have a free press, and do not get fed the propaganda lies of the that horrible dictator which runs Russia these days, and brainwashes its people.

Anybody that has had the pleasure of meeting russians in vacation resorts will tell you, that they do not make a faverable impression. We prefer to stay away from their loud drunken and obnoxious parties. One of my closest and oldest fiends, American, is the CEO of a big western company in Moscow. Through him I get first hand information of the situation in Moscow and the rest of the country, and it is not good. A country where corruption is found on almost any level of society, especially police and public administration, no freedom of press, human rights don't exist, militarism and facist thoughts are found in big parts of society, anti-Semitism is common, and its leader Putin actually should be in a mental asylum if he really believes the news he is feeding his own people. Russia by far is the most unpopular country anywhere in the West, and not just there.

Still too much ..i don't think that in most eu this percentage would be so great maybe in the 25-30 %.. Strange SERBS ...At the same time they seem pro-Russian and pro-EU in their maiority !!!

I don't think that Serbian politicians will be brave enough to allow this to go to a referendum.
(Peggy, 6 August 2014 02:41)

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.

Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public. The overall majority of Serbs want a free western type democracy, and do not want to live in a putin style facist country. Human rights are high on the agenda, 61% want a solution of the Kosovo issue , irregardless if the EU demands it or not, and these 61% do not want tanks to roll, like some people advocate here.

Bad news for a lot of the Putin fans that love to spill their guts here, and a good signal for Serbia.

Willi-ibn-Pfaff-Abu-Ali-ibn-Sina-Friedrich-von-Barbarossa-Julio-Iglesias-Masutatsu-Oyama-al-Fattah

• “Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public.”

At least Serbs have a choice as they are comparatively free. Meanwhile you Albanians are sentenced to do what the west tells you to do. And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how the rest of the world hates and despises you. Just think about it I have never seen an alive Albanian. So what must I think about this people after reading the posts of the outstanding thinkers like Rocky , Willie ,The C*unt and the kind ? as a result for me Albanians are low educated and silly people to come here and expose their ignorance every day. Why should you ? Does it help you in your tragic and prospect less situation ? The choice of Serbia is the choice of the Serbs and it merely can influence Russia’s readiness to withstand the west’s pressure. We have already accepted the challenge and it’s Serbia’s turn to make their choice. And Albanian stance will be the last thing they are going to take into the consideration. So everything you do here is stupid.

@(Ari Gold, 6 August 2014 16:08)
Ari, you say that you are concerned about peoples will, what they want, and that their will should be governing a countries politics. Fully agree with you on that, because it reflects democratic believe. But how can you than support a totalitarien country like Russia, which doesn't allow opposition, which has no free media, and if you oppose the ruling dictator, you end up in jail or a gulag? That is no western propaganda, that is reality in Russia. You live in the west, and even we disagree on a lot, you want to be able to express yourself, speak your mind, which you like anybody else has any right to, and that would not be possible in a country like Russia. You couldn't live the life you are used to in a place like that.

Just think about it I have never seen an alive Albanian.
(rote, 6 August 2014 08:45)

Rote,

You getting trapped by your past contradictory statements. e.g. You previously said you had been to Albania. How, then, did you not see any Albanians, were you blindfolded during your visit? I must say your statements are becoming more erratic and nonsensical. I believe the stress of possibly going hungry in the near future due to Putin's recent banning of Western food shipments has tipped you over the edge. I fear you are heading for a nervous breakdown.

It’s been 23 years that Moldova sustains from entering Romania. Though many influential people on two continents strive hard to push them there. The biggest problem is that the Moldovans prefer to be first rate Moldovans to second rate Romanians. Also they can see that 5 years of EU membership made the Romanians ever poor than they used to be. Finally Moldovans are a pro-Russian people with 200 years of joint history. Same with the Serbs who before making such a vital step to the anglo-saxon world should estimate the risks. Sucking like the Poles ? Jumping like the Banderasts ? Smiling like the Albanians ? Complaining like the Bulgarians ? Protesting like the Hungarians ? Is it the Serbian way to trust historical enemies ?

“There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stsirway to heaven …

… There's a sign on the wall,
But she wants to be sure
Cos you know sometimes words have to meanings
In a tree by the brook
There's a songbird who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven”

http://music.yandex.ru/#!/track/5706792/album/626143

The C*unt of Kosova

Why are so worried about ? Otherwise КАКОЕ ТВОЕ АЛБАНСКОЕ ДЕЛО ? Do you think you can influence anything ? I could give you a retrospective of the Russian-Serbian relations for the last 200 years but it will change nothing in your mind. So I’ll just summarize: WE LOVE EACH OTHER ! And I guess it’s the biggest Albanian problem because there’s not a single people on this beautiful planet whom you could say the same words.

Willi-Saakashvili-ul-Haq-ibn-Pfaff-Adolf-ben-Gurion-al-Hattab-von-Ribbentrop-Mahatma-Kelmendi-Ash-Shabab-говнюк-Uniat-del-Clown.

“The most disliked people in the West are Russians, especially after Putin showed his facist face...“

• This much I almost agree. For the time being we are the most hated on this one continent because we gave no pretext to unload the US 17,7 trillion debts , because we are to set the Europeans free from the colonial chains, because we back our people in Ukraine bombed day and night , because we try to save you from the approaching cold winter caused by Elnigno , because we have evidence of who has dropped the B-777 , because we are able to unmask the western mass media , because we can turn into dust the whole Evil’s world in the west , because we try to defend the rights of other peoples including the Albanians , because they have nothing to twist our hands and make us obey and bark at a command only ect. They not so much hate but fear us while if you remember my post they also despise the Albanians. Can you see the difference ?
• As for Putin he showed his face way back 7 years ago during his Munich speech. There’s nothing new that he has said or done ever since. Please check it below. In Wikipedia the text is available only in Russian but you may find it in the web.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%FE%ED%F5%E5%ED%F1%EA%E0%FF_%F0%E5%F7%FC_%CF%F3%F2%E8%ED%E0

the rest of your post I did not read … as usual

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.
(Danilo, 6 August 2014 11:04)

Danilo the problem is in the "new Europe" the EUSSR, democratic elections and referendums are a nuisance for the central planners in Brussels. So when France and Netherlands voted against the "EU Constitution", they repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty". Even one EU extremist at the time said the beauty of calling it a treaty is that it doesn't need to pass a referendum.

Then even when Ireland held a vote on the treaty itself as Peggy alluded to, they had to keep voting over and over until they gave the "correct" answer.

EU or die are the choices as far as the Western Soviets are concerned. I wouldn't wish this monstrosity on my worst enemy.

The President of the EUSSR (yes there is actually an EU President and no he's not democratically elected by anyone) Jean-Claude Juncker recently said that there will be no EU enlargement for "at least" 5 more years. This means Serbia is looking at least at another decade of failed policy, stagnant economy and no growth just because her government wants to continue sacrificing their country's future to join a sinking Titanic.

I cannot for the life of me believe that as much as 46% of Serbia's population is so unintelligent to want to surrender sovereignty to the new Soviet Union. Fortunately Serbia will never join so that's good, but how many more years will be lost chasing what is unreachable?

@ willi Pfaff
You said, "Anybody that has had the pleasure of meeting russians in vacation resorts will tell you, that they do not make a faverable impression. We prefer to stay away from their loud drunken and obnoxious parties."

Spoken like a true judgmental and arrogant tight-ass german.

Spoken like a true judgmental and arrogant tight-ass german.
(Gerhard, 6 August 2014 12:54)

WHAT YOU MEAN ? HE IS THE ONE EXPELLED FROM A PRISON IN TIRANA FOR HIS BAD BEHAVIOR. NEITHER DOES HE KNOWS WHERE GERMANY IS. IF WILLIE GOEBBLES IS A GERMAN THEN I AM THE INDIAN JOE AND JOE BONNANO AT THE TIME !

@ari from 2 dass ago

Ari, serbia is a Western European Country, and dispite it's religious and some historical connections, which a lot of times are overestimated, should have its future in the west and in the EU. The overwhelming majority of its citizens want that as well.
Whatever Russia is doing to help Serbia is complety overestimated. Russia doesn't give money to Serbia. It only gives loans which have to be paid back with intrest. The EU does give lots of money to be invested in infrasracture, like roads, etc and direct help to bring Serbia on EU level, and that money does not to be paid back. Rote s claim that Serbia will be Russia's biggest supplier in agriculture remains to be seen. Fact is that Serbia sells a lot more to EU counties than to Russia.
When it comes to the EU's current policy towards Russia, it is important that Serbia takes the eu's stance. Peace in Europe depends on stopping Putin, and if Serbia wants to be part of the west, it also has to show support. It can't just only take, it also has to give.
South stream is dead anyway, because nobody in the eu will buy even more Russian gas and get more depend and on Putin Russia. Besides that, if a country enters into contracts with other countries, they have to be according to eu law, which isn't the case.
In the case of the ukrain / Russia conflict, I do disagree with u, and think the current situation is mainly Russia's fault. The west is maybe 20% to blame, the rest is Russia's fault.

And you cannot be as stupid not to understand how I and the rest of the world hate and despise you Albaniens
rote,

Rote,

Caught in another lie, you previously said that you hate no one.

Since less than half of the population supports the EU, than the EU should stop the membership proccess with Serbia.

Thise are good numbers for Serbia, and actually show that rote and his friends do not have much backing in the serb public. (Willi Pfaff, 5 August 2014 21:34)
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Willi, Willi, Willi, you can stop with trying to spread false information and stop hoping you will put a wedge between us and the Russians.
We all know that we can get any desired answer simply by asking the question in a certain way or by polling the right demographic.
The only poll that counts is the election or a referendum but somehow I don't think that Serbian politicians will be brave enough to allow this to go to a referendum.

an eventual referendum is a precondition to EU accession.
(Danilo, 6 August 2014 11:04)
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Yeah, just like the referendum they had in Ireland and then again and again until they got the one they wanted.
I am talking about a real referendum.

Ari Gold

Congratulations ! Serbia becomes the biggest food exporter to Russia !

“Путин запретил в течение года ввозить в Россию сельскохозяйственную продукцию, сырье и продовольствие из стран, которые ввели против РФ санкции.”

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/economy/20140806/1019040388.html#ixzz39ctmRp8D

@ Ari @ Peggy

I have been driving through a big part of Europe in the past 24 hours, including Serbia (thanks B92 for the great music), and I tell u , it's always nice to see that most borders don't exist anymore, that we have a common curancy in a lot of countries, and believe it or not, there is something like a feeling of being a European first, before u look at your ethnic nationality. I at least and a lot of people do feel like that. And what is most important, the EU brought peace to this continent which for so long fought its silly wars.

Peggy, I understand what you say, agree that a lot of times the western stress related lifestyle hinders us from being free, but we have the opportunity to take our lives in our own hands, Drop out if we want to, live a lifestyle that suits us, and speak our mind without having to fear consequences. Almost anything is possible nowadays, and individual freedom is one of our achievements. A place like Russia doesn't have that. At least in Germany we do have freedom press. I can choose from papers that reflect almost any political spectrum. Because of the way our tv networks are organized, we have a lot of political magazines and documentaries which are very controversial and certainly do not follow the governments ideas. I guess we are unique in that respect, especially compared to the us where u do not find that.

Ari, I will answer u tomorrow. I have been on my feed for Lmost 24 hours now, and need some rest.

The C*unt of Kosova

“You previously said you had been to Albania.”

• I would like to … but I had no chance. So you must be talking about someone else. Also you should know that I have no hatred to any nation. So everything I tell the local Albanians is my reaction for extremism and idiotism but not the Albanians as people. I hate what you have done in KIM and the coward way you have done it. But as soon as you shake hands with my brothers you will have me as an ally.

“I believe the stress of possibly going hungry in the near future due to Putin's recent banning of Western food shipments”

• Pussy you don’t know what you are talking about because you have the mentality of a slave while I am a free man. Several years ago Russia started to prepare for the conflict. One of the steps undertaken was the Program of Food Security. As a result we now export foods and buy only 10-30% in every segment. So forget about hunger at least in Russia. As for Putin we people love him and we are ready to suffer losses and discomfort or fall of the living standards. Also if you remember it was Russia who engaged the food embargo on EU.

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(Willi pfaff, 8 August 2014 12:34)

Neither Russia nor the EU is ever going to "help" Serbia. Moreover, Serbia should never accept such assistance from anyone. The EU spends money in Serbia because that's what empires do when they wish to expand (despite the fact EU citizens are against enlargement). Russia spends money in Serbia to secure its stake in NIS and the South Stream Pipeline that will run through Serbia.

Both sides have their interest, and I am not viewing either of it as "help". But South Stream is happening, and it is in Serbia's interest. Also, it's in the interest of a handful of other EU countries that it will be going through... and private shareholders in the project that just so happen to be German, French and Italian investment firms. Nabbuco isn't happening, South Stream is.

And it's in Serbia's interest to participate. It's not in Serbia's interest to sanction Russia at a time when the only country in the continent that can even sell food to Russia (apart from alcohol and chocolates) is Serbia.

Sorry, it's nothing personal. You know we really love the EU and thank them for all their humanitarian work in Serbia during the late 90s... but business is business.

Since less than half of the population supports the EU, than the EU should stop the membership proccess with Serbia.
(rob, 5 August 2014 19:45)
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Since when does EU care what people want?

WilliPfaff

Actually, I'm not as big of a "Russophile" as many of my compatriots are. Some people I know would fully accept becoming a republic of Russia for a Russian military base. Some people think that Serbia should its entire society and economy towards Russia.

I believe that is impractical primarily because despite our similarities, Serbia has a much different historical, societal but as well as geo-political reality than say a Belarus that borders Russia.

That said, Russia doesn't try to hamper Serbia's relationship with the West. Russia never asked Serbia to slap sanctions on the EU. It is Western policy makers that try to meddle and force a rift between Russia and Serbia. As Rote pointed out here, Serbia just became the largest food exporter to Russia. This is relationship important. Doesn't mean Serbia shouldn't be exporting more to the West as well.

As far as Ukraine, the EU threw the first stone by forcing Yanukovuch to choose between Russia and the EU. So at least he stuck to his ideology unlike Vucic and our former nationalists turned "modernizers" and chose Russia. Then the EU encouraged the Western Ukrainians to get violent similarly to how they encouraged the Bosnian Muslims to reject peace in the 90s.

What about the South Stream? The EUSSR tries to force Serbia to abandon it even though EU countries are already taking part in it. Why shouldn't Serbia do things in its interests just to satisfy the Brussels central planners.

I can't comment on how free or not free the press is there and neither can you with any certainty.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Actually, it's sufficient to read the comments of our dear friend rote to make that determination...
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I live in the west, just like you, and can tell you that the press in the west is not free to broadcast the truth. Unless they follow the prescribed doctrine of the powers that be, including the people who own the media, you will not get a job or an interviews with politicians.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Well, a politician who does exclude inquisitive journalists from interviews would soon be out of his/her job. And a media owner that just follows the doctrine of powers to be and does not hire objective journalists would soon see his/her media go bankrupt.
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Yes, they can make decisions but most likely they will be in agreement with the current foreign policy of the government.
(Peggy, 7 August 2014 01:22)

Well, that is obvious. The government is elected by a majority of the people so it is likely the majority of the people will agree with the government. If they don't agree, they elect another government. So, I'm not sure I understand where the problem is.

You live in the west, and even we disagree on a lot, you want to be able to express yourself, speak your mind, which you like anybody else has any right to, and that would not be possible in a country like Russia. (Willi Pfaff, 6 August 2014 22:11)
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I can't comment on how free or not free the press is there and neither can you with any certainty. I live in the west, just like you, and can tell you that the press in the west is not free to broadcast the truth. Unless they follow the prescribed doctrine of the powers that be, including the people who own the media, you will not get a job or an interviews with politicians.
So how free are they really? I can see the rubbish in our media and it makes me cringe. The rubbish that they feed us is not fit for an intelligent mind so when so many people are exposed to the same falsehoods they are not equipped to make good decisions. Yes, they can make decisions but most likely they will be in agreement with the current foreign policy of the government.

There is no democracy anywhere. We, in the west, are working long hours and are priced out of having quiality of life. We are too tired and in many cases browbeaten to worry about foreign policy of our country and thaqt's the way they like us. Of course not all but most of the citizens live this way and think that what they hear on the radio, see the news on tv is the way it is because they don't have the time or energy to look in other places.

Well, a politician who does exclude inquisitive journalists from interviews would soon be out of his/her job. And a media owner that just follows the doctrine of powers to be and does not hire objective journalists would soon see his/her media go bankrupt.
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Do you live in the west or not?
Shows how little you know about this.