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Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador

The U.S. respects the traditional friendship between Serbia and Russia, U.S. Ambassador Michael Kirby told Beta in an interview, the agency reported.

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a New Day

pre 9 godina

(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)
Don't know if you are playing dumb to provoke an argument, in total denial, or just cannot comprehend.
You mention the agreed number of personnel. The is 100% not fulfilled due to the fact Serbia has never submitted a request to place Serbs in these places, so there is no way for Kfor to agree. After 15 years and the present situation it is doubtful at this point any would be agreed to now.
You highlight the "Kosovo future status" this was written in 1999, it is now 2014, in respect to UNSC 1244 we ARE in the future.
They facilitated a process and it was determined that there was no chance for a negotiated settlement.
Ahtissaari developed a plan for a settlement.
The UN ordered another try at negotiation headed by a troika. It too ended with a deadlock.
Serbia unilaterally changed their constitution to say Kosovo was an inalienable part of Serbia.
Kosovo unilaterally declared independence based on the A plan, with the support of the west.
Serbia challenged the declaration at the ICJ but the court opinioned that it did not violate UNSC1244.
More than half of UN countries support Kosovo as independent of Serbia.
The UN itself at the insistence of Serbia has taken a "status neutral" approach and does not refer to Kosovo as either an independent state nor a part of Serbia.
The EU will only negotiate with Serbia on admission of the area exclusive of Kosovo, and everything Serbia has done toward the EU is without Kosovo.

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)

Sreten, its very easy to resolve this matter which you seem to have a hard time with!
Until your Serbia is willing, able & capable of eradicating, carrying out the complete annihilation of 6 million Albanians in the Balkans, and the other 1.7 million Albanians that are currently scattered thru out Europe, and I mean all of them, to the last one, Catholics, orthodox Christians, Muslims, Protestants, sun & moon worshipers, snake worshipers, rock & tree worshipers, until Serbia turns that day into reality, you will never see a Serbia governing or having control of the republic of Kosova again! So stop wasting your breath & time on a fairytale dream already! And please, forget the hogwash about how Serbia is going to do this & that, becauseSerbia ain't going to do sh.. By only talking out of her a..!!!

Dragan

pre 9 godina

Hey Kirby, Serbia will back her true friend, protector and brotherly nation, which is Russia. Furthermore, quit pretending to be Serbia's friend, you're not a friend, you're an enemy who bombed Serbia and is trying to steal Serbian territory and hand it to organ snatchers and terrorists - while now begging Serbia to respect territorial integrity?? You've got some nerve, and obviously zero shame. Another unqualified clown in the US diplomatic field, your country seems to produce one buffoon after another. It's a multipolar world now and your time is up. The leader of the free world, Vladimir Putin, sends his regards :).
Cheers!!

icj1

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)

Absolutely. A good lesson for all Russia's Slavic brothers what fate awaits them :)
----------

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)


That's great. The Kosovars are happy being independent from Serbia; you are happy, too. Everybody is happy!

icj1

pre 9 godina

You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Yes, I took a look at the UN (very nice building by the way) and did not see anywhere that the UN considers Kosovo part of Serbia. Even Serbia itself says that the UN does neither consider Kosovo part of Serbia nor independent (i.e. the UN is status neutral). So if all stakeholders (Serbia, the UN, Kosovo, etc) do not consider Kosovo part of Serbia, does it really matter what you say?
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You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Even you recognize above that the comparison does not hold. Russia took a part of Ukraine; the US did not take any part of Serbia.

Beth

pre 9 godina

Wow, how about that headline! Is U.S. Ambassador to Serbia saying Serbia should respect Ukraine's integrity, like USA respected Serbia's integrity in the 1990s, specifically in 1999?

Vlad

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador

where is the rest of the statement ? "And do everything we want Serbia to do...also kiss our butts for example...but only when we say so...

Sreten

pre 9 godina

No. A New Day. Looks like you didn't read it.

Among other things...

"Allow for the return of an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel to maintain a presence at Serbian Patrimonial sites and key border crossings;"

Resolution is calling for local self - government, true, but also...

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 of UNSCR 1244 "

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Sreten,
It seems Serbs all have a very similar trait, they love to quote from UNSC 1244 but yet they either won't read it or can't read it or unable to comprehend what it says.
"e.Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);"
Which means that it DOES NOT guarantee that Kosovo is to remain a part of Serbia, that is a "possible" outcome but so is complete independence.
Also note that no where does it even say that Serbia has to be in agreement with the outcome.
Note there has not even been any type of similar resolution for the Crimea region of Ukraine or for any other territory or country in the world. UNSC 1244 was approved by 14 of the 15 members of the UNSC with one country abstaining from voting.

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Tick Tock - Yes. We noticed that it's in the state of decay, thanks to this and simmilar "friends of Serbia". The rest of your comment isn't worth replying to. It's hard to see that , especailly in the West Equality is replaced with Supremacy ideology. So, I won't be bothering with that.
a New Day. No. I don't think so.
Sure, there is UN resolution 1422 that is meant to "provide safety to the people of that territory."
"Friends of Serbia" did a great job providing safety to all on that territory by the way. They stood idly, and even took pictures and selfies while hundreds of Serbs and other non-Albanians were slaughtered, more then 200 of churches and monasteries were burnt, etc. etc.
Truth is that they were there to provide military protection for ethnic cleansers at work.
You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
I mean...if you are going to mention UN...
You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
I really don't think so.

Brian

pre 9 godina

Lol tick tock! Serbias so radical it has border guards and customs agents on the border with Kosovo , dejan paviceic is serbias ambassador to Kosovo, It treats Kosovo as a sovereign independent country in international meetings, pushed FIFA to have Kosovo friendlys, and then Serbia demands Kosovo Serbs vote on republic of Kosovo ballots and swear loyalty oaths to Kosovo! Serbia has completely abandoned the notion that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia as 63% of Serbia calls Kosovo sovereign and independent. It has totally adopted all eu views on the ukraine situation even though Serbia has no territorial integrity to the major powers of eu! And will soon adopt massive sanctions against Russia!

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

(Paul, 23 July 2014)

Paul, you're in title of dreaming as much as you like.
The way I see it is easer Serbia to become part of Greater Albania then Kosova part of Serbia.

a New Day

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00
The US respects the territorial integrity of Serbia in its present form without the territory that had to be emergently removed from the clasp of Serbia by the UNSC to provide safety to the people of that territory.
It also respects the territorial integrity of the part of Serbia that Serbia has included in all its dealings with the EU toward admission to the EU. None of the actions Serbia has done in the past few years include entering EU with Kosovo.
Here is the perfect proof actions speak louder than words.
And also includes where Serbia has made statements that it supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine but yet fails to condemn the Russian takeover of part of that land. (actions vs words)

Paul

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.

GG

pre 9 godina

Oh ya, like you respected kosovo. Get the F out of here. Your killing civillans daily in Pakistan with Drones and agree with Jew's killing arabs in gaza. .

What is happening in Ukraine, is none of Serbia's busniess..

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 9 godina

Kirby has since retracted his statement after finding out statements regarding the importance of the territorial integrity of UN-member states have already been issued by Belgrade.

Leo

pre 9 godina

What shameful hypocrisy on behalf of the bloody American bully. You get nowhere trying to placate a bully. The EU has no intention of ever admitting Serbia even in the unlikely event an EU exists in that distant future. Serbia should symbolically appoint Seselj ambassador to Washington for a day just to show contempt for these arrogant butchers of Serb civilians.

Tick Tock

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00)

Dude, are you serious right now? Serbia, should consider herself lucky she still has what's left of her, as Vojvodina & Sandzak are just waiting for the right opportunity to break from radical-Serbia. Heck, I'm surprised Serbia continues to even exist? Remember kid, when you reference sovereignty "it was Yugoslav sovereignty, and it died a long long time ago." Serbia never had sovereignty over nothing or anything, and Serbia to this day is in the state of decay.

Time keeps on tickin

pre 9 godina

Hey let's face it, Serbia is really in need of good tutoring at this critical pointe in time.
Dang gone it, she's got a lot of issues she needs to address.

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador.

But, Serbia gave statements that it respects the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries...

"It concerns Kirby's remark that Serbian officials, while saying they respected the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, did not say this included Ukraine and all of its territory. "

Oh, Ukraine has to be mentioned specifically.

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.

Paul

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador.

But, Serbia gave statements that it respects the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries...

"It concerns Kirby's remark that Serbian officials, while saying they respected the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, did not say this included Ukraine and all of its territory. "

Oh, Ukraine has to be mentioned specifically.

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.

Leo

pre 9 godina

What shameful hypocrisy on behalf of the bloody American bully. You get nowhere trying to placate a bully. The EU has no intention of ever admitting Serbia even in the unlikely event an EU exists in that distant future. Serbia should symbolically appoint Seselj ambassador to Washington for a day just to show contempt for these arrogant butchers of Serb civilians.

GG

pre 9 godina

Oh ya, like you respected kosovo. Get the F out of here. Your killing civillans daily in Pakistan with Drones and agree with Jew's killing arabs in gaza. .

What is happening in Ukraine, is none of Serbia's busniess..

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Tick Tock - Yes. We noticed that it's in the state of decay, thanks to this and simmilar "friends of Serbia". The rest of your comment isn't worth replying to. It's hard to see that , especailly in the West Equality is replaced with Supremacy ideology. So, I won't be bothering with that.
a New Day. No. I don't think so.
Sure, there is UN resolution 1422 that is meant to "provide safety to the people of that territory."
"Friends of Serbia" did a great job providing safety to all on that territory by the way. They stood idly, and even took pictures and selfies while hundreds of Serbs and other non-Albanians were slaughtered, more then 200 of churches and monasteries were burnt, etc. etc.
Truth is that they were there to provide military protection for ethnic cleansers at work.
You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
I mean...if you are going to mention UN...
You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
I really don't think so.

Dragan

pre 9 godina

Hey Kirby, Serbia will back her true friend, protector and brotherly nation, which is Russia. Furthermore, quit pretending to be Serbia's friend, you're not a friend, you're an enemy who bombed Serbia and is trying to steal Serbian territory and hand it to organ snatchers and terrorists - while now begging Serbia to respect territorial integrity?? You've got some nerve, and obviously zero shame. Another unqualified clown in the US diplomatic field, your country seems to produce one buffoon after another. It's a multipolar world now and your time is up. The leader of the free world, Vladimir Putin, sends his regards :).
Cheers!!

Tick Tock

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00)

Dude, are you serious right now? Serbia, should consider herself lucky she still has what's left of her, as Vojvodina & Sandzak are just waiting for the right opportunity to break from radical-Serbia. Heck, I'm surprised Serbia continues to even exist? Remember kid, when you reference sovereignty "it was Yugoslav sovereignty, and it died a long long time ago." Serbia never had sovereignty over nothing or anything, and Serbia to this day is in the state of decay.

Beth

pre 9 godina

Wow, how about that headline! Is U.S. Ambassador to Serbia saying Serbia should respect Ukraine's integrity, like USA respected Serbia's integrity in the 1990s, specifically in 1999?

Sreten

pre 9 godina

No. A New Day. Looks like you didn't read it.

Among other things...

"Allow for the return of an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel to maintain a presence at Serbian Patrimonial sites and key border crossings;"

Resolution is calling for local self - government, true, but also...

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 of UNSCR 1244 "

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 9 godina

Kirby has since retracted his statement after finding out statements regarding the importance of the territorial integrity of UN-member states have already been issued by Belgrade.

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

(Paul, 23 July 2014)

Paul, you're in title of dreaming as much as you like.
The way I see it is easer Serbia to become part of Greater Albania then Kosova part of Serbia.

Time keeps on tickin

pre 9 godina

Hey let's face it, Serbia is really in need of good tutoring at this critical pointe in time.
Dang gone it, she's got a lot of issues she needs to address.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador

where is the rest of the statement ? "And do everything we want Serbia to do...also kiss our butts for example...but only when we say so...

Brian

pre 9 godina

Lol tick tock! Serbias so radical it has border guards and customs agents on the border with Kosovo , dejan paviceic is serbias ambassador to Kosovo, It treats Kosovo as a sovereign independent country in international meetings, pushed FIFA to have Kosovo friendlys, and then Serbia demands Kosovo Serbs vote on republic of Kosovo ballots and swear loyalty oaths to Kosovo! Serbia has completely abandoned the notion that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia as 63% of Serbia calls Kosovo sovereign and independent. It has totally adopted all eu views on the ukraine situation even though Serbia has no territorial integrity to the major powers of eu! And will soon adopt massive sanctions against Russia!

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Sreten,
It seems Serbs all have a very similar trait, they love to quote from UNSC 1244 but yet they either won't read it or can't read it or unable to comprehend what it says.
"e.Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);"
Which means that it DOES NOT guarantee that Kosovo is to remain a part of Serbia, that is a "possible" outcome but so is complete independence.
Also note that no where does it even say that Serbia has to be in agreement with the outcome.
Note there has not even been any type of similar resolution for the Crimea region of Ukraine or for any other territory or country in the world. UNSC 1244 was approved by 14 of the 15 members of the UNSC with one country abstaining from voting.

a New Day

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00
The US respects the territorial integrity of Serbia in its present form without the territory that had to be emergently removed from the clasp of Serbia by the UNSC to provide safety to the people of that territory.
It also respects the territorial integrity of the part of Serbia that Serbia has included in all its dealings with the EU toward admission to the EU. None of the actions Serbia has done in the past few years include entering EU with Kosovo.
Here is the perfect proof actions speak louder than words.
And also includes where Serbia has made statements that it supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine but yet fails to condemn the Russian takeover of part of that land. (actions vs words)

icj1

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)

Absolutely. A good lesson for all Russia's Slavic brothers what fate awaits them :)
----------

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)


That's great. The Kosovars are happy being independent from Serbia; you are happy, too. Everybody is happy!

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)

Sreten, its very easy to resolve this matter which you seem to have a hard time with!
Until your Serbia is willing, able & capable of eradicating, carrying out the complete annihilation of 6 million Albanians in the Balkans, and the other 1.7 million Albanians that are currently scattered thru out Europe, and I mean all of them, to the last one, Catholics, orthodox Christians, Muslims, Protestants, sun & moon worshipers, snake worshipers, rock & tree worshipers, until Serbia turns that day into reality, you will never see a Serbia governing or having control of the republic of Kosova again! So stop wasting your breath & time on a fairytale dream already! And please, forget the hogwash about how Serbia is going to do this & that, becauseSerbia ain't going to do sh.. By only talking out of her a..!!!

icj1

pre 9 godina

You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Yes, I took a look at the UN (very nice building by the way) and did not see anywhere that the UN considers Kosovo part of Serbia. Even Serbia itself says that the UN does neither consider Kosovo part of Serbia nor independent (i.e. the UN is status neutral). So if all stakeholders (Serbia, the UN, Kosovo, etc) do not consider Kosovo part of Serbia, does it really matter what you say?
----------

You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Even you recognize above that the comparison does not hold. Russia took a part of Ukraine; the US did not take any part of Serbia.

a New Day

pre 9 godina

(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)
Don't know if you are playing dumb to provoke an argument, in total denial, or just cannot comprehend.
You mention the agreed number of personnel. The is 100% not fulfilled due to the fact Serbia has never submitted a request to place Serbs in these places, so there is no way for Kfor to agree. After 15 years and the present situation it is doubtful at this point any would be agreed to now.
You highlight the "Kosovo future status" this was written in 1999, it is now 2014, in respect to UNSC 1244 we ARE in the future.
They facilitated a process and it was determined that there was no chance for a negotiated settlement.
Ahtissaari developed a plan for a settlement.
The UN ordered another try at negotiation headed by a troika. It too ended with a deadlock.
Serbia unilaterally changed their constitution to say Kosovo was an inalienable part of Serbia.
Kosovo unilaterally declared independence based on the A plan, with the support of the west.
Serbia challenged the declaration at the ICJ but the court opinioned that it did not violate UNSC1244.
More than half of UN countries support Kosovo as independent of Serbia.
The UN itself at the insistence of Serbia has taken a "status neutral" approach and does not refer to Kosovo as either an independent state nor a part of Serbia.
The EU will only negotiate with Serbia on admission of the area exclusive of Kosovo, and everything Serbia has done toward the EU is without Kosovo.

Tick Tock

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00)

Dude, are you serious right now? Serbia, should consider herself lucky she still has what's left of her, as Vojvodina & Sandzak are just waiting for the right opportunity to break from radical-Serbia. Heck, I'm surprised Serbia continues to even exist? Remember kid, when you reference sovereignty "it was Yugoslav sovereignty, and it died a long long time ago." Serbia never had sovereignty over nothing or anything, and Serbia to this day is in the state of decay.

Time keeps on tickin

pre 9 godina

Hey let's face it, Serbia is really in need of good tutoring at this critical pointe in time.
Dang gone it, she's got a lot of issues she needs to address.

gjon fusha

pre 9 godina

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

(Paul, 23 July 2014)

Paul, you're in title of dreaming as much as you like.
The way I see it is easer Serbia to become part of Greater Albania then Kosova part of Serbia.

a New Day

pre 9 godina

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.
(Sreten, 23 July 2014 17:00
The US respects the territorial integrity of Serbia in its present form without the territory that had to be emergently removed from the clasp of Serbia by the UNSC to provide safety to the people of that territory.
It also respects the territorial integrity of the part of Serbia that Serbia has included in all its dealings with the EU toward admission to the EU. None of the actions Serbia has done in the past few years include entering EU with Kosovo.
Here is the perfect proof actions speak louder than words.
And also includes where Serbia has made statements that it supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine but yet fails to condemn the Russian takeover of part of that land. (actions vs words)

Brian

pre 9 godina

Lol tick tock! Serbias so radical it has border guards and customs agents on the border with Kosovo , dejan paviceic is serbias ambassador to Kosovo, It treats Kosovo as a sovereign independent country in international meetings, pushed FIFA to have Kosovo friendlys, and then Serbia demands Kosovo Serbs vote on republic of Kosovo ballots and swear loyalty oaths to Kosovo! Serbia has completely abandoned the notion that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia as 63% of Serbia calls Kosovo sovereign and independent. It has totally adopted all eu views on the ukraine situation even though Serbia has no territorial integrity to the major powers of eu! And will soon adopt massive sanctions against Russia!

Paul

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.

icj1

pre 9 godina

You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Yes, I took a look at the UN (very nice building by the way) and did not see anywhere that the UN considers Kosovo part of Serbia. Even Serbia itself says that the UN does neither consider Kosovo part of Serbia nor independent (i.e. the UN is status neutral). So if all stakeholders (Serbia, the UN, Kosovo, etc) do not consider Kosovo part of Serbia, does it really matter what you say?
----------

You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 07:09)

Even you recognize above that the comparison does not hold. Russia took a part of Ukraine; the US did not take any part of Serbia.

icj1

pre 9 godina

It's pretty simple. Crimea is gone. It was Russia's once and now it is Russia's again.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)

Absolutely. A good lesson for all Russia's Slavic brothers what fate awaits them :)
----------

Kosovo is not gone. It was Serbia's once, it is Serbia's now and Serbia will have it back again, one way or another. Time and history is on their side.

The Albanians there are of no natural consequence. Everybody knows it, especially the Albanians. The EU cannot babysit them forever.
(Paul, 23 July 2014 22:42)


That's great. The Kosovars are happy being independent from Serbia; you are happy, too. Everybody is happy!

Rocky

pre 9 godina

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.
(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)

Sreten, its very easy to resolve this matter which you seem to have a hard time with!
Until your Serbia is willing, able & capable of eradicating, carrying out the complete annihilation of 6 million Albanians in the Balkans, and the other 1.7 million Albanians that are currently scattered thru out Europe, and I mean all of them, to the last one, Catholics, orthodox Christians, Muslims, Protestants, sun & moon worshipers, snake worshipers, rock & tree worshipers, until Serbia turns that day into reality, you will never see a Serbia governing or having control of the republic of Kosova again! So stop wasting your breath & time on a fairytale dream already! And please, forget the hogwash about how Serbia is going to do this & that, becauseSerbia ain't going to do sh.. By only talking out of her a..!!!

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Sreten,
It seems Serbs all have a very similar trait, they love to quote from UNSC 1244 but yet they either won't read it or can't read it or unable to comprehend what it says.
"e.Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);"
Which means that it DOES NOT guarantee that Kosovo is to remain a part of Serbia, that is a "possible" outcome but so is complete independence.
Also note that no where does it even say that Serbia has to be in agreement with the outcome.
Note there has not even been any type of similar resolution for the Crimea region of Ukraine or for any other territory or country in the world. UNSC 1244 was approved by 14 of the 15 members of the UNSC with one country abstaining from voting.

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Tick Tock - Yes. We noticed that it's in the state of decay, thanks to this and simmilar "friends of Serbia". The rest of your comment isn't worth replying to. It's hard to see that , especailly in the West Equality is replaced with Supremacy ideology. So, I won't be bothering with that.
a New Day. No. I don't think so.
Sure, there is UN resolution 1422 that is meant to "provide safety to the people of that territory."
"Friends of Serbia" did a great job providing safety to all on that territory by the way. They stood idly, and even took pictures and selfies while hundreds of Serbs and other non-Albanians were slaughtered, more then 200 of churches and monasteries were burnt, etc. etc.
Truth is that they were there to provide military protection for ethnic cleansers at work.
You conviniently forget that UN 1244 also specifically state that this "territory" is part of Serbia. Perhaps you could take a look at the UN, and you will see that it considers Kosovo to be part of Serbia.
I mean...if you are going to mention UN...
You say something that pretty much means - but US is respecting integrity of the rest of Serbia, which is ridicilous argument. It's like saying that Russia will take east of Ukraine, but it will respect integrity of rest of it....
I really don't think so.

GG

pre 9 godina

Oh ya, like you respected kosovo. Get the F out of here. Your killing civillans daily in Pakistan with Drones and agree with Jew's killing arabs in gaza. .

What is happening in Ukraine, is none of Serbia's busniess..

Sreten

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador.

But, Serbia gave statements that it respects the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries...

"It concerns Kirby's remark that Serbian officials, while saying they respected the territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, did not say this included Ukraine and all of its territory. "

Oh, Ukraine has to be mentioned specifically.

This "great friend of Serbia" as Vucic called him should be asked if he respects territorial integrity of all internationally recognized countries, and Serbia has to be mentioned specifically.

Leo

pre 9 godina

What shameful hypocrisy on behalf of the bloody American bully. You get nowhere trying to placate a bully. The EU has no intention of ever admitting Serbia even in the unlikely event an EU exists in that distant future. Serbia should symbolically appoint Seselj ambassador to Washington for a day just to show contempt for these arrogant butchers of Serb civilians.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 9 godina

Kirby has since retracted his statement after finding out statements regarding the importance of the territorial integrity of UN-member states have already been issued by Belgrade.

Sreten

pre 9 godina

No. A New Day. Looks like you didn't read it.

Among other things...

"Allow for the return of an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel to maintain a presence at Serbian Patrimonial sites and key border crossings;"

Resolution is calling for local self - government, true, but also...

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 of UNSCR 1244 "

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't exist any more and it's legal successors are Serbia and Montenegro, so resolution respects souvereignty of both.
Finally, it's true what you are saying...

"Authorize the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status..."

" The resolution reaffirms calls for "substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo".

And I have to say that I didn't mention UN - you did.

Beth

pre 9 godina

Wow, how about that headline! Is U.S. Ambassador to Serbia saying Serbia should respect Ukraine's integrity, like USA respected Serbia's integrity in the 1990s, specifically in 1999?

Dragan

pre 9 godina

Hey Kirby, Serbia will back her true friend, protector and brotherly nation, which is Russia. Furthermore, quit pretending to be Serbia's friend, you're not a friend, you're an enemy who bombed Serbia and is trying to steal Serbian territory and hand it to organ snatchers and terrorists - while now begging Serbia to respect territorial integrity?? You've got some nerve, and obviously zero shame. Another unqualified clown in the US diplomatic field, your country seems to produce one buffoon after another. It's a multipolar world now and your time is up. The leader of the free world, Vladimir Putin, sends his regards :).
Cheers!!

a New Day

pre 9 godina

(Sreten, 24 July 2014 17:01)
Don't know if you are playing dumb to provoke an argument, in total denial, or just cannot comprehend.
You mention the agreed number of personnel. The is 100% not fulfilled due to the fact Serbia has never submitted a request to place Serbs in these places, so there is no way for Kfor to agree. After 15 years and the present situation it is doubtful at this point any would be agreed to now.
You highlight the "Kosovo future status" this was written in 1999, it is now 2014, in respect to UNSC 1244 we ARE in the future.
They facilitated a process and it was determined that there was no chance for a negotiated settlement.
Ahtissaari developed a plan for a settlement.
The UN ordered another try at negotiation headed by a troika. It too ended with a deadlock.
Serbia unilaterally changed their constitution to say Kosovo was an inalienable part of Serbia.
Kosovo unilaterally declared independence based on the A plan, with the support of the west.
Serbia challenged the declaration at the ICJ but the court opinioned that it did not violate UNSC1244.
More than half of UN countries support Kosovo as independent of Serbia.
The UN itself at the insistence of Serbia has taken a "status neutral" approach and does not refer to Kosovo as either an independent state nor a part of Serbia.
The EU will only negotiate with Serbia on admission of the area exclusive of Kosovo, and everything Serbia has done toward the EU is without Kosovo.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador

where is the rest of the statement ? "And do everything we want Serbia to do...also kiss our butts for example...but only when we say so...