Putin warns against "mercenary political goals"

The question is who has the most to gain from this tragedy? In the past it’s always the ones that yell the loudest and it look like it’s the west. Yes it could have been a mistake by the “rebels” in Ukraine fighting Kiev, but the BUK systems are not in the hands of the “rebels”. However, questions were asked by the OSCE as to why did Kiev move only two or three days prior to this tragedy the BUK anti aircraft system in that area? No answer from Kiev.
Pictures showing smoke trails “just after firing “or the missing missile on one of the Buks or the two masked men talking about downing of an aircraft are laughable as they are all from Ukraine intelligence. Naturally the US used their special Madeline Albright satellites (the ones used to see graves of Srebrenica victims from outer space) to confirm that it was all Russian who shot the plane down.
This incident was created as a circuit breaker in a war that was disappearing from the world’s front page and to try and force the Russians to concede or even back off claiming eastern Ukraine. This is very much like the Srebrenica myth where it came about to force the Serbs to negotiating table.
The US did not want International investigators.

Comm. Parrisson,

I understand that what you have seen on Fox news or BBC so far has convinced you that it was the rebels who shot down that plane. But there are many who would rather cut their left hand off than believe what the Anglo-Saxon nations say and there are those who would like to see as much hard evidence as possible before they make up their mind.Nothing illogical,is there?

Whatever you think of Putin's internal politics, when it comes to dealing with other countries he acts for and on behalf of Russia whereas with the current Western lot of shysters, internally they look after themselves and externally they look after the corporations and elites they represent.Putin is probably the only real Statesman
left in this silly world we live in. He may not have read Cardinal de Richelieu’s political will (France’s top historical figure, he never had his Waterloo like that fat chap with a funny hat), but he acts exactly as the grand cardinal would have acted : keep mum, let your adversaries figures out wrongly your next moves, let them fall in their own traps and then act strongly,swiftly and intelligently.

icj1

Each time I try to educate infusoriums I become closer to you and it’s exactly what I hate to do ! Don’t you find it strange when Ukraine is occupied by the Bandera minded Nazi and OSCE appoints as the head of it mission a son of one of those Nazy type fascists ? Roman Bochurkiv was killing Soviet soldiers and now you believe that his son Michael Bochurkiv will remain objective and neutral ? What I know is that with few exclusions an apple is born from an apple , an Albanian is born from an Albanian , a Banderast is born from a Banderast , a Buddhist is born from a Buddhist ect.

Head of the OSCE Monitoring Commission in Ukraine complained that the rebels forbid them to work with the plane. He forgot to say that OSCE have no ad hoc specialists while during the 120 hours that the ICAO sent no experts here the work almost lost it sense. Finally the republicans agreed to pass the “black boxes” to Malaysian delegation. But they say that they are not going to examine them. Now Novorossians are persuading them at least to pass the boxes to ICAO.

As I understood everybody but Russia start to pee boiled Psaki when they understand they will have to deal with the USA. So I recall Churchill to say that if between war and disgrace you chose disgrace you will have both the war and the disgrace. Now that it became evident that the plane was hit down by a Ukroplane nobody wants to approach the remnants and thus have problems with the US.

By the way I admire the OSCE choice ! only talented people with good humor could have appointed Michael Bochurkiv ( whose father fought as Bendera’s soldier ) to head the OSCE Commission in Ukraine !

One more thing. Today a Russian TV channel said that “OBAMA LOOKS VERY PALE BY PUTIN’S SIDE” ( “ОБАМА СМОТРИТСЯ ОЧЕНЬ БЛЕДНО РЯДОМ С ПУТИНЫМ” ) Would I like to them side by side !

Finally I am sure the investigation will last more than a year while the Nazi regime will fall this winter. So there will be nobody to punish. All because the US have no habit of extradition of their citizens.

.

(sj, 21 July 2014 10:53)
Its always great to have someone around that knows the REAL truth, and can explain it to the others. The only problem here is you want to convince everyone that you are that person and you aren't even close and the only ones you can fool are actually already fools!

When you put guns in the hands of irresponsible people, bodies start showing up. I am not even talking about the scenarios in which Russians actually fired.
The whole thing is grotesque and it's one of those things for which one would wish humans would be disinvented.

@SJ sometimes propaganda is only making things worst

“It can be said with confidence that had the combat actions in the east of Ukraine not been resumed on June 28, this tragedy would have not happened for sure,” the president noted, Itar-Tass reported.

And it can be said with high confidence that had Russia not trained the Russian mercenaries who are operating in eastern Ukraine and not (possibly, the facts are not clear yet) provided them with BUK anti-aircraft missiles from Russia, this 'tragedy' (as Putin put it, I would use other words) would not have happened, neither.

But well, it's not a tragedy, according to some broadcast of Russian RT propaganda networtk, the people in the plane were already dead before, and the plane was grounded by Ukraine forces of course, and they wanted to shoot down the plane with Putin in it (which was flying over Ukraine as well, unfortunately, 1000km more in the north), and probably some more fabricated fiction and conspiracy theories

That plane should not had flown in a war zone and commercial airlines know they are taking a risk when they do.
I record the US shooting down airlines during the IRan Iraq wars but hang on that was entirely the planes fault .
Putin should just build the Russian army for defence because blind freddy can see what the west are up.

By the way I admire the OSCE choice ! only talented people with good humor could have appointed Michael Bochurkiv ( whose father fought as Bendera’s soldier ) to head the OSCE Commission in Ukraine !
(rote, 21 July 2014 21:14)

Sorry, I'm perplexed. Who was appointed as head of the OSCE Commission in Ukraine? Michael Bochurkiv or his father ? If Michael Bochurkiv, than who cares about his father; if it was his father that was appointed, than who cares about Michael Bochurkiv. It's not the marriage of Michael Bochurkiv that we are discussing here.
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Finally I am sure the investigation will last more than a year while the Nazi regime will fall this winter.
(rote, 21 July 2014 21:14)

Really? The Nazi-regime in Moscow will fall that fast? I was not expecting that!

Now don’t forget I told you so.
(sj, 22 July 2014 00:42)
I won't ole wise one who knows more than anyone in the world. One does have to wonder though with the US totally powerless and its economy close to that of Zimbabwe, why the US pays dues at the UN of 22% of the budget and China only pays about 4? Since they are based on the economies of each country.
But thanks for the heads up, I will give it the attention it deserves.

This incident was created as a circuit breaker in a war that was disappearing from the world’s front page and to try and force the Russians to concede or even back off claiming eastern Ukraine. This is very much like the Srebrenica myth where it came about to force the Serbs to negotiating table.
The US did not want International investigators.
(sj, 21 July 2014 10:53)

ej smart guy,
Are you telling us that till that day, all Ukraine Military planes were being shot by Ukraine itself. Get a grip on yourself body. Use your common sense once in the blue moon.

(the truth, 21 July 2014 18:45)

Not at all. The Russian separatist did shoot down Ukrainian helicopters and aircraft. This latest incident is vastly different.
All the experts say that the BUK requires training to operate that system. It is a far more complex than the hand held or rocket systems with a range of 2/3 kilometres. The BUK system requires a chain of command and the Russians would not have let the locals operate it. Having said that I cannot see what benefit Moscow would have to shoot bring down a commercial plane.
As I said before, the war in Ukraine was disappearing from the front pages of western newspapers and what other way to bring it to the forefront??? If the west had not jumped straight out with so called evidence that Moscow had done it I would not have thought it was a set up, but with so called satellite evidence, taping of conversations between masked men, pictures of smoke trails right after the launch of the missile – and all of this coming from Kiev, even the most obtuse person would start to smell a rat. Do you recall the weapons of mass destruction story??????

(pss, 21 July 2014 16:00)

I digress from this tragedy, but here is something that you would not have read in any of your freedom loving press in the US.
The Australian 2 July 2014
“The United States will within three months lose to China its status as the world’s largest economy, said Columbia University professor and Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz as he painted a unrelentingly bleak picture of his nation’s economic performance.”

In fact China became the world’s largest economy just under 2 years ago, but the US could not bring itself to mention this in the hope that Lazarus would come back from the dead by prinintg lots and lots of money.
Now don’t forget I told you so.

(pss, 22 July 2014 10:27)

Well the US borrows from “poor” countries like China and then spends on ill thought-out military campaigns and hands people like you the bill and pretends that all is well. Why would Bejing object to paying only 4% when you have someone pretending they are No 1 in the world and willing to put you in debt that even your grandchildren 200 years onwards will not be able to pay it off.
Stiglitrz is one of your people so things must be really bad for him to make such a statement. However, pelase continue to keep your head in the sand and maybe the boogy man will go away.

Don’t you find it strange when Ukraine is occupied by the Bandera minded Nazi and OSCE appoints as the head of it mission a son of one of those Nazy type fascists ? Roman Bochurkiv was killing Soviet soldiers and now you believe that his son Michael Bochurkiv will remain objective and neutral ?
(rote, 22 July 2014 11:00)

What's strange with that? Your father fought the Nazis but you are the Nazi-in-Chief in these forums - that does not mean though that your father was a Nazi. A Nazi is defined but what he or she says or acts, not the genetics.
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What I know is that with few exclusions an apple is born from an apple , an Albanian is born from an Albanian
(rote, 22 July 2014 11:00)

Yes, and the Sun also raises in the Est. Not sure though what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?!

Well the US borrows from “poor” countries like China and then spends on ill thought-out military campaigns and hands people like you the bill and pretends that all is well.
(sj, 23 July 2014 00:15)

Well, the money that the US spends on military campaigns is not paid to a Martian - most of it is paid by the US government to somebody in the US. But I do agree that the US government should hire the CE of B92 forums sj as an economic adviser so that the US can be educated how poor they are because they think they are living well, but they are not - our dear CE here knows much better for each individual US household than they know about themselves.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

“It can be said with confidence that had the combat actions in the east of Ukraine not been resumed on June 28, this tragedy would have not happened for sure,” the president noted, Itar-Tass reported.

And it can be said with high confidence that had Russia not trained the Russian mercenaries who are operating in eastern Ukraine and not (possibly, the facts are not clear yet) provided them with BUK anti-aircraft missiles from Russia, this 'tragedy' (as Putin put it, I would use other words) would not have happened, neither.

But well, it's not a tragedy, according to some broadcast of Russian RT propaganda networtk, the people in the plane were already dead before, and the plane was grounded by Ukraine forces of course, and they wanted to shoot down the plane with Putin in it (which was flying over Ukraine as well, unfortunately, 1000km more in the north), and probably some more fabricated fiction and conspiracy theories

The question is who has the most to gain from this tragedy? In the past it’s always the ones that yell the loudest and it look like it’s the west. Yes it could have been a mistake by the “rebels” in Ukraine fighting Kiev, but the BUK systems are not in the hands of the “rebels”. However, questions were asked by the OSCE as to why did Kiev move only two or three days prior to this tragedy the BUK anti aircraft system in that area? No answer from Kiev.
Pictures showing smoke trails “just after firing “or the missing missile on one of the Buks or the two masked men talking about downing of an aircraft are laughable as they are all from Ukraine intelligence. Naturally the US used their special Madeline Albright satellites (the ones used to see graves of Srebrenica victims from outer space) to confirm that it was all Russian who shot the plane down.
This incident was created as a circuit breaker in a war that was disappearing from the world’s front page and to try and force the Russians to concede or even back off claiming eastern Ukraine. This is very much like the Srebrenica myth where it came about to force the Serbs to negotiating table.
The US did not want International investigators.

When you put guns in the hands of irresponsible people, bodies start showing up. I am not even talking about the scenarios in which Russians actually fired.
The whole thing is grotesque and it's one of those things for which one would wish humans would be disinvented.

@SJ sometimes propaganda is only making things worst

Comm. Parrisson,

I understand that what you have seen on Fox news or BBC so far has convinced you that it was the rebels who shot down that plane. But there are many who would rather cut their left hand off than believe what the Anglo-Saxon nations say and there are those who would like to see as much hard evidence as possible before they make up their mind.Nothing illogical,is there?

Whatever you think of Putin's internal politics, when it comes to dealing with other countries he acts for and on behalf of Russia whereas with the current Western lot of shysters, internally they look after themselves and externally they look after the corporations and elites they represent.Putin is probably the only real Statesman
left in this silly world we live in. He may not have read Cardinal de Richelieu’s political will (France’s top historical figure, he never had his Waterloo like that fat chap with a funny hat), but he acts exactly as the grand cardinal would have acted : keep mum, let your adversaries figures out wrongly your next moves, let them fall in their own traps and then act strongly,swiftly and intelligently.

(sj, 21 July 2014 10:53)
Its always great to have someone around that knows the REAL truth, and can explain it to the others. The only problem here is you want to convince everyone that you are that person and you aren't even close and the only ones you can fool are actually already fools!

This incident was created as a circuit breaker in a war that was disappearing from the world’s front page and to try and force the Russians to concede or even back off claiming eastern Ukraine. This is very much like the Srebrenica myth where it came about to force the Serbs to negotiating table.
The US did not want International investigators.
(sj, 21 July 2014 10:53)

ej smart guy,
Are you telling us that till that day, all Ukraine Military planes were being shot by Ukraine itself. Get a grip on yourself body. Use your common sense once in the blue moon.

By the way I admire the OSCE choice ! only talented people with good humor could have appointed Michael Bochurkiv ( whose father fought as Bendera’s soldier ) to head the OSCE Commission in Ukraine !
(rote, 21 July 2014 21:14)

Sorry, I'm perplexed. Who was appointed as head of the OSCE Commission in Ukraine? Michael Bochurkiv or his father ? If Michael Bochurkiv, than who cares about his father; if it was his father that was appointed, than who cares about Michael Bochurkiv. It's not the marriage of Michael Bochurkiv that we are discussing here.
----------

Finally I am sure the investigation will last more than a year while the Nazi regime will fall this winter.
(rote, 21 July 2014 21:14)

Really? The Nazi-regime in Moscow will fall that fast? I was not expecting that!

Now don’t forget I told you so.
(sj, 22 July 2014 00:42)
I won't ole wise one who knows more than anyone in the world. One does have to wonder though with the US totally powerless and its economy close to that of Zimbabwe, why the US pays dues at the UN of 22% of the budget and China only pays about 4? Since they are based on the economies of each country.
But thanks for the heads up, I will give it the attention it deserves.

(pss, 21 July 2014 16:00)

I digress from this tragedy, but here is something that you would not have read in any of your freedom loving press in the US.
The Australian 2 July 2014
“The United States will within three months lose to China its status as the world’s largest economy, said Columbia University professor and Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz as he painted a unrelentingly bleak picture of his nation’s economic performance.”

In fact China became the world’s largest economy just under 2 years ago, but the US could not bring itself to mention this in the hope that Lazarus would come back from the dead by prinintg lots and lots of money.
Now don’t forget I told you so.

Head of the OSCE Monitoring Commission in Ukraine complained that the rebels forbid them to work with the plane. He forgot to say that OSCE have no ad hoc specialists while during the 120 hours that the ICAO sent no experts here the work almost lost it sense. Finally the republicans agreed to pass the “black boxes” to Malaysian delegation. But they say that they are not going to examine them. Now Novorossians are persuading them at least to pass the boxes to ICAO.

As I understood everybody but Russia start to pee boiled Psaki when they understand they will have to deal with the USA. So I recall Churchill to say that if between war and disgrace you chose disgrace you will have both the war and the disgrace. Now that it became evident that the plane was hit down by a Ukroplane nobody wants to approach the remnants and thus have problems with the US.

By the way I admire the OSCE choice ! only talented people with good humor could have appointed Michael Bochurkiv ( whose father fought as Bendera’s soldier ) to head the OSCE Commission in Ukraine !

One more thing. Today a Russian TV channel said that “OBAMA LOOKS VERY PALE BY PUTIN’S SIDE” ( “ОБАМА СМОТРИТСЯ ОЧЕНЬ БЛЕДНО РЯДОМ С ПУТИНЫМ” ) Would I like to them side by side !

Finally I am sure the investigation will last more than a year while the Nazi regime will fall this winter. So there will be nobody to punish. All because the US have no habit of extradition of their citizens.

.

icj1

Each time I try to educate infusoriums I become closer to you and it’s exactly what I hate to do ! Don’t you find it strange when Ukraine is occupied by the Bandera minded Nazi and OSCE appoints as the head of it mission a son of one of those Nazy type fascists ? Roman Bochurkiv was killing Soviet soldiers and now you believe that his son Michael Bochurkiv will remain objective and neutral ? What I know is that with few exclusions an apple is born from an apple , an Albanian is born from an Albanian , a Banderast is born from a Banderast , a Buddhist is born from a Buddhist ect.

(the truth, 21 July 2014 18:45)

Not at all. The Russian separatist did shoot down Ukrainian helicopters and aircraft. This latest incident is vastly different.
All the experts say that the BUK requires training to operate that system. It is a far more complex than the hand held or rocket systems with a range of 2/3 kilometres. The BUK system requires a chain of command and the Russians would not have let the locals operate it. Having said that I cannot see what benefit Moscow would have to shoot bring down a commercial plane.
As I said before, the war in Ukraine was disappearing from the front pages of western newspapers and what other way to bring it to the forefront??? If the west had not jumped straight out with so called evidence that Moscow had done it I would not have thought it was a set up, but with so called satellite evidence, taping of conversations between masked men, pictures of smoke trails right after the launch of the missile – and all of this coming from Kiev, even the most obtuse person would start to smell a rat. Do you recall the weapons of mass destruction story??????

That plane should not had flown in a war zone and commercial airlines know they are taking a risk when they do.
I record the US shooting down airlines during the IRan Iraq wars but hang on that was entirely the planes fault .
Putin should just build the Russian army for defence because blind freddy can see what the west are up.

Don’t you find it strange when Ukraine is occupied by the Bandera minded Nazi and OSCE appoints as the head of it mission a son of one of those Nazy type fascists ? Roman Bochurkiv was killing Soviet soldiers and now you believe that his son Michael Bochurkiv will remain objective and neutral ?
(rote, 22 July 2014 11:00)

What's strange with that? Your father fought the Nazis but you are the Nazi-in-Chief in these forums - that does not mean though that your father was a Nazi. A Nazi is defined but what he or she says or acts, not the genetics.
----------

What I know is that with few exclusions an apple is born from an apple , an Albanian is born from an Albanian
(rote, 22 July 2014 11:00)

Yes, and the Sun also raises in the Est. Not sure though what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?!

Well the US borrows from “poor” countries like China and then spends on ill thought-out military campaigns and hands people like you the bill and pretends that all is well.
(sj, 23 July 2014 00:15)

Well, the money that the US spends on military campaigns is not paid to a Martian - most of it is paid by the US government to somebody in the US. But I do agree that the US government should hire the CE of B92 forums sj as an economic adviser so that the US can be educated how poor they are because they think they are living well, but they are not - our dear CE here knows much better for each individual US household than they know about themselves.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(pss, 22 July 2014 10:27)

Well the US borrows from “poor” countries like China and then spends on ill thought-out military campaigns and hands people like you the bill and pretends that all is well. Why would Bejing object to paying only 4% when you have someone pretending they are No 1 in the world and willing to put you in debt that even your grandchildren 200 years onwards will not be able to pay it off.
Stiglitrz is one of your people so things must be really bad for him to make such a statement. However, pelase continue to keep your head in the sand and maybe the boogy man will go away.