"Serbia will join EU when Kosovo joins UN"

Me thinks the Germans have a chip on their shoulder and are still angry that we didn't join them during WWII like some of our neighbours. Oh well, use the accession funds, get the country on track then walk away from the EU.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)
Guess that one just flew over your head, like so many Serbs you only see what you want to see and not what is actually there.
The pressure is NOT on Kosovo for Serbia to get into the EU, the pressure is on Serbia to get Kosovo into the UN or NO EU. Meaning the majority of concessions will be on the Serbian side. Not that reasonable concessions of Kosovo is not expected but Serbia has just been kicked out of the seat of control.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)

Merkel says "Serbia in EU when Kosovo in UN".
Balkan Anthropologist says " Kosovo should give more concessions to Serbia".
Merkel is the chancellor of a world super power.
Balkan Anthropologist is nobody.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)

I wish you will stick to your prior comments about Kosova not being a state/country and will never be. Now you saying yes it can be , but give autonomy to northern thugs!?
I tell you, you guys are some piece of work.

How about joining Eurasian Union instead of EU ?

Serbia seems to become blackmailed again and again by EU representatives and the representatives of EU member-states.

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!

The Germans are being brutally honest that the EU fanatics in Serbia simply wont own up to. Either recognize the occupation of your territory as an independent state to join some club and be the first country in history to do such a thing, or give up the EU pipedream.

The funny part is that even after this, new conditions will be thought up of. And Serbia will lose more decades chasing a dream that will never materialize (and even if it did, is Serbia's ceiling to be a Romania or Bulgaria?!), chasing something that will forever be unavailable.

You got to love the EU, they are making sure that Serbia is indeed a true democracy, one which has followed thru with democratic reforms, one which acknowledges all the misery & wrongs Serbia committed during the 1990s with her barbaric wars of aggression against her neighbors! Serbia, a potential future EU member must first normalize relations with the republic of Kosova, also Serbia must abolish and eradicate any Serbian parallel institutions located in Kosova that may still be functional, and (YES) this does include Kosova's territory north of the ibar! Serbia will be required to pay war reparations for the destruction Serbia's mighty military inflicted on Kosova's mainly unarmed civilian population, And I really got to hand it to the EU delegation for not forgetting the icing on the cake, Serbia will full heartedly recommend and endorse
UN-membership to the Russians & Chinese, on behalf of the Republic of Kosova!!! Weeee, I wish I could see the many faces of radical-Chetnik-Serbs, that obviously still exist & cling to some power in what remains of Serbia!
For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
http://youtu.be/1z1Fk9FD7FQ

there you have it once more in black and white, and I wonder how long it will take until the serbian people finally realize that they are constantly lied to by their leaders. This is a consensus among EU countries, even the few which have not recognized Kosovo so far agree with that, and the serb leadership still goes on telling their own people something else. I am sure Vucic also heard the same when he was in Berlin last week, but prefers to not mention it at home. UN membership means full recognition by Serbia as well, anything else would be continuing living in a dreamland. What I don't get is, they all know they have to do it, and the way they handle this subject is not making them any friends in the West, cost the country so much money and energy, and everybody knows that the redicules claim that Kosovo is the holy serbian land, only was made up by serb ultranationals a bit more than 100 years ago. Serbia has to free itself from these people that only brought disaster to everybody in the entire Balkan. If that happens, than Serbia will be a respected country and the economic and democratic development would make a big step forward.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.

Balkan anthropologist fundamentally misunderstands the powers of the ZSO. It's not a government! It has no legislative judicial or executive powers. It's a club for local governments. It's a caucus a fraternity. All powers a municipal and federal with all municipal laws governed by pristina law and all laws subject to judicial review. BA needs to learn about Kosovo government.

The main topic is about Kosovo in UN and dacic proposed that years ago and there is no Serb opposition to Kosovo in UN. Opposition to Kosovo in UN is from russia china Spain not serbia.

You also don't even seem to know that Serbs voted at the same rate and percentage as Albanians in the kosovo elections on republic of Kosovo ballots in an election organized by the republic of Kosovo and all winners must swear loyalty to the republic of Kosovo!
(Brian, 15 July 2014 10:06)

Keep lying u filthy bastard, only 13 percent of the serbs voted while 60 % of the albanians did. Show me proof of only ONE serb swearing any kind of loyalty whatsoever to "Kosovo", only one. And the Kosovo insignia was erased from the ballots. Where do u get your lies and fantasies from?

"Serbia will join EU when Kosovo joins UN"

Well, I guess you can't state it any clearer than that, even the Serbs understand it!

Some people here forgot China and Russia's veto... Oh and Israel's too and every other country in the world who has territorial issues... Keep dreaming!

Willi pfaff is right. Germans are very clear about this, and it's Serbia's establishment that is consistently lying to them about this. Serbia must agree with the amputation of its territory to satisfy sick German vendettas against Serbia for stopping its imperial campaigns in both WWI and WWII.

We shouldn't give into satisfying sick German obsessions in no way shape or form. The fortunate thing is the EU is crumbling because its central institutions are trying to move towards federalism but the people are saying no. Despite media demonization campaigns, the EU parliament has 1/3 parties that are EUskeptic and want the damn thing to fall apart.

Give it time, north and south Europe are far too different culturally and economically to be in one super state. It wont work. It's not working and it is unravelling. Thank God for that.

Germany's not a world super power. Winning the World Cup doesn't make them that. Remember Merkel's last ultimatum of disbanding "parallel institutions"? How'd that go? Oh right, they just renamed themselves, got international blessing for holding elections just when the rest of Kosovo was, and suddenly they're in charge of running what they were running before.

"Kosova" really can't afford many more international ultimatums to Serbs :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 07:16)

Actually They Are a super Power! What makes you Super Power it Economy, Military and ability to influence others by different means. So germany hits all those notes. They are the leaders of Europe like it or not even after devastation they took in WW2. I know they have a strained relation with Serbia historically but common Man if they are not who is?

Nukes don't make you super Power and if Germany wanted they can have one in short amount of time, Look at quality of life etc. Why Serbs emigrate to Germany so much not Russia which by your tone I assume you think its a super power.

Of course Kosovo has to join UN before Serbia even join the EU. According to Obama statement, no bigger nation can bug small nation. Therefore, it's a done deal. What we need is we need Albania to make faster progress with its new generation of politicians so Serbia can shut up or gets a veto :) ..but then again Serbia has to win over Croatia ;) Serbia it's dead right now, it's powerless because still is haven't apologies to the genocide victims it committed in Kosovo. Belgrade is the only capital city in the world with dead bodies found in mass graves.

All autonomy for northern Kosovo Serbs was abolished and all pristinas laws and systems will be in north Kosovo being implemented by Serbs with Albanian deputies like the police force is set up. There is not one iota of autonomy for Serbs. Serbs are just the face of Albanian rule and prisitina rule. Eu / Germany/ UK will have it no other way.
(Brian, 15 July 2014 18:16)

Ok you really have no idea what you're writing about, and you clearly have never been to Kosovo - either the north or the rest of it for you to be making these ridiculous statements. I can only conclude that you're either living in denial, you somehow read the wrong agreement, or you're actually part of that small group of people who believes the propaganda coming from Pristina trying to convince its constituents that victory was achieved - certainly not Self-Determination, certainly not any Kosovo-based NGO, certainly not any serious think tank, and certainly not any scholarly assessment of the Agreement believes this.

Not only was autonomy approved by Pristina, it's only going to grow in the coming years both in depth of responsibilities, and in breadth in terms of the number of local communities that join. Not my problem if you can't or won't see it. You've yet to offer one single solid proof your opinion is correct beyond some lame attempt at insinuating Serbs signed some "loyalty oath". Don't bother replying. I know you've not nothing to say beyond what you've already said.

Well, serbs. If you love your precious kosovo so much, you can keep dreaming about it or attack it already. You can wait for another 100 or more years, and when your dead, your children and nephews can continue dreaming about it or planning to get stronger.
And if you regret it, just blame yourself for being stupid.

Dont choose the EU, abandon all development to it, and go join the customs union of russia. The white marble ring countries such as belarus, armenia, kazakhstan(Borat type people) and of course, the center of the 21st century religious orthodox neo-fascistm, Russia.

I keep reading comments how some of you vow to return and wage genocide again. Funny.
And to make it sweeter, russia's economy is stagnating again. And let me make more fun, russia economy is based on selling gas and rusting soviet equipemnt. Any one with a brain can figure this out, you cannot build an economy based on 1 or 2 sectors. Look at, greece. Its hilarious.
You know, russia's economy is the same size as that of italy.

And then, russia is trying to be big bully based on what? Conservative values? Lol. The most ocnservative countries in the world, like saudi arabia,somalia,sudan,nigeria are are truly beacons of human progression...lol, not.

You know whats ironic, if you werent all the bent in attacking bosnia and causing a genocide, you would not be in the position you are today.
While you are at it, get some loans, you dont have enough money to pay the rent.

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!
(Dragan, 16 July 2014 15:19)

Yep, Kosovars agree with almost everything you stated above... Imagine if Serbia had been an EU member - Serbia's soldiers would still be in Kosovo today.

As for Kosovo becoming a country, that has nothing to do with UN membership, unless, of course, you are suggesting stupidities like Serbia was not a country until the year 2000 or Ukraine was a country between 1945 and 1990.

An entity is a country for any other entity that recognizes it as a country. If country A recognizes country C as a country, but country B does not recognize country C as a country, then C is a country for A and is not a country for B. Unfortunately Serbia is not the universal judge of what's a country and what's not, despite Serbia's dreams of grandeur...

Hi Willy, what you don't get is the subject of my post
LMAO

Are they going to do another poll and ask the right questions this time in Serbia?
Time to wake up and walk away.

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

There is no point pretending it isn't so. I've been aware of this for years. It's a difficult choice to make - what to give up? I would give up EU membership.

For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
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(Rocky, 14 July 2014 22:37)

Not really. It's just the old story of an ever growing empire spreading its wings and reaching problematic regions throughout the world, then picking sides. And luckily, they had people like Albanians who are prototype empire clingers. This isn't anything new in history. In Ancient Greece, Sparta & Athens being the two strongest city-states for some time would pick little satellites to intervene on behalf of as well.

Thing is, your empire will always leave as they have done in the past. Your hand-me-down relationship will be dumped the moment it is convenient for the Western powers of today.

Don't worry, it'll pass. And all you'll have to show for it is pole for wires that was placed right in the middle of a newly built street (paid for by Western tax payers of course). Seriously guys, they placed the pole right in the center of the street so cars have to drive around the pole to continue on.....have a look for yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFKGUkMBf4

Merkel says "Serbia in EU when Kosovo in UN".
Balkan Anthropologist says " Kosovo should give more concessions to Serbia".
Merkel is the chancellor of a world super power.
Balkan Anthropologist is nobody.
(Mark, 14 July 2014 21:26)

It wasn't Merkel. It was a number of German MPs. Merkel will probably be gone by the time Serbia's EU membership is granted.

Even if she did say it, what gives you any confidence Kosovo's road to the UN won't involve the international community brokering more compromises between the Albanians and Serbs? You really think Serbia is going to accept an ultimatum without concessions? You clearly haven't paid attention to what Pristina's had to concede to since 2007. You and other also seem to forget how the internationally approved powers of ZSO will be implemented. Even if it goes exactly as the Ahtisaari Plan envisions, that's already more autonomy and local competencies than Pristina thinks.

Germany's not a world super power. Winning the World Cup doesn't make them that. Remember Merkel's last ultimatum of disbanding "parallel institutions"? How'd that go? Oh right, they just renamed themselves, got international blessing for holding elections just when the rest of Kosovo was, and suddenly they're in charge of running what they were running before.

"Kosova" really can't afford many more international ultimatums to Serbs :)

The pressure is NOT on Kosovo for Serbia to get into the EU, the pressure is on Serbia to get Kosovo into the UN or NO EU. Meaning the majority of concessions will be on the Serbian side. Not that reasonable concessions of Kosovo is not expected but Serbia has just been kicked out of the seat of control.
(guess again, 14 July 2014 18:22)

Really? Aside from basically giving up on a territory they lost in 1999, what concessions will Serbia have to give? Since the international community tried to figure out what to do with Kosovo, the Serbs have basically been given local autonomy, and no one really has done anything for the north. Kosovo has had to accept a number of conditions if it wants international diplomatic support. You really think the tables are now turned? As long as Belgrade accepts Kosovo is no longer theirs, they've been free to milk out whatever they want.

Now you saying yes it can be , but give autonomy to northern thugs!?
I tell you, you guys are some piece of work.
(the truth, 14 July 2014 18:23)

I've been saying that for years. You seem to have trouble differentiating between other posters on this site. I'm all for autonomy. The international community has basically handed parts of Kosovo's territory on Belgrade's doorstep in exchange for letting the larger lot go. Not saying Belgrade's leaders have been smart with the opportunities they've been given, but no one's really all that interested in supporting Pristina's entry into the north, now are they?

Balkan anthropologist fundamentally misunderstands the powers of the ZSO. It's not a government! It has no legislative judicial or executive powers. It's a club for local governments. It's a caucus a fraternity. All powers a municipal and federal with all municipal laws governed by pristina law and all laws subject to judicial review. BA needs to learn about Kosovo government.
(Brian, 14 July 2014 20:53)

I'm sorry but I've stopped taking you seriously a long time ago. Rest assured I've read your reply, and rest assured I think as much of it as I think of your fervent belief that the majority of Serbs in Kosovo are loyal to Pristina.

Balkan anthropologist I am just shocked at how much you fundamentally misinterpret the ZSO as if it was even a millionth fraction of the Serb republic of Bosnia in terms of autonomy and now you say the ZSO is a Scotland potentially? Just read what the ZSO is! Every single municipality in Kosovo has he right to set up associations with others based on any criteria th want.

You also don't even seem to know that Serbs voted at the same rate and percentage as Albanians in the kosovo elections on republic of Kosovo ballots in an election organized by the republic of Kosovo and all winners must swear loyalty to the republic of Kosovo!

As far as the concessions Pristina has to make, they made them in 2008 with their independence, inorder to gain international support they had to agree to it by accepting the Ahtisaari plan which gave the north substantial autonomy.
The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms
(guess again, 15 July 2014 11:25)

It's adorable you think Albanians have been playing this along all this time. It's nice to know Kosovo's leadership gave up on strong sovereignty, total control over their own affairs, and granting Serbs, less than 10% of their population, rights and privileges that effectively hamstring Kosovo's politics and economics indefinitely. It's just adorable you think Albanians accepted Ahtisaari's Plan as a way of hoodwinking Serbs. Even the leadership back in 2007 put on a convincing show they were accepting a heavy burden all for independence :)

If it helps you sleep at night that this was an Albanian-approved plan from the start, and not an international imposition to compensate Serbia, then by all means, you continue to sleep with that dream. Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that granting the Serbs executive powers of autonomy was also a sneaky way to get Belgrade to allow you to join the UN.

By all means, thank you for your clever tactics :)

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

Isnt it funny that I live in Serbia and have never Heard about those 63%, when did that referendum take place? And you should now that the biggest "Kosovo is serbia" party of them all is in power right now, Srpska napredna stranka that is headed by the most loyal allies to Dr. Seselj. You sure dont know a thing about serbian politics.

Balkan anthropologist- you really need to read the Brussels agreement. You just aren't even close to the reality of the agreement. There is no "in tandem with pristina" it's pristinas system! Just because a Serb Will be a judge or a police chief doesn't mean it's autonomy. All autonomy for northern Kosovo Serbs was abolished and all pristinas laws and systems will be in north Kosovo being implemented by Serbs with Albanian deputies like the police force is set up. There is not one iota of autonomy for Serbs. Serbs are just the face of Albanian rule and prisitina rule. Eu / Germany/ UK will have it no other way.

Daniel - It's the b92 ipsos poll. I didn't say it was a referendum. The party in charge now has nothing to do with seselj! I don't even know what you are saying. How can a "Kosovo is Serbia" party sign the Brussels agreement which abolished Serb police and court system in Kosovo and set up border guards and customs agents on the sebia Kosovo international border.

You seem happy to say that. I'm happier to say Kosovo is reognized by a majority of the UN. Kosovo gained independence in 2008 and has 55% recognition of the UN, while Palestine gained independence in the mid 80's and has ~65% UN recognition. Serbia will be forced to recognize Kosovo due to the fact that Serbia's leaders are starving for EU membership. Russia, China, Isreal, etc. will follow. I predict that after Serbia completes it's obstacles like, obviously, corruption, the EU would then shove recognition down their throats. Forcing it out is not an option, they could only swallow. Oh, and isn't it quite sad that Isreal is not recognizing Kosovo? You would think they would be so thankful to Albanians that they allowed Jews there to live in their own homes and be protected, Muslims and Christian Albanians risking their lives to save these people they've never seen before. Lets not forget that Albania had a higher population of Jews than before WW2. That wasn't the case for the other European nations.

The people mentioning Russia and china are right. Even if Serbia removes Kosovo from its constitution and recognizes Kosovo independence at a formal signing ceremony that Germany demands who says Russia will allow Kosovo in Un? Or China? Serbia is a weak pathetic nation and Russia and china are not.
(Brian, 16 July 2014 18:31
What reason would Russia or China have to block Kosovo in the UN if Serbia drops its objection?

"The delegation made it clear that they expect an open debate on reforms with the involvement of all stakeholders, as well as the opposition," said Bohnet.
Get back on your copy Vucic!

Concerning Kosovo, as I always said, Germany and other US lapdogs will always insist on serbian recognition of Kosovo independance.
That's the deal folks!

But, once again, believe me, it's not worth to let go on your national sovereignty for to buy an entry ticket to the sinking EU ship!!!

I find statements like this so amusing as they always bring a smile to my face. Now let’s be serious here for a moment – how many times have we heard this same statement from a German parliamentarian? Does anyone recall the catch cry of no recognition of Kosovo and no freedom of movement for Serb citizens in the EU????? Many other agreements have been signed without giving an inch too, but that’s kept very quiet.

However, all this matters little as I strongly recommend reading the article here on Why Moldovia matters here on B92. The EU will not matter very soon as Russia takes control over Brussels – it’s no joke. Even the Asian bankers are preparing for it as I write. The EU is now siding with Russia over Ukraine. Italy has given the green light for South stream to continue and guess who is prospecting for gas and oil in Kroatia??? Can the little Kroats guess? Yes its Russia, and our little fascist friends said it would never be done.

The clock is a ticking and there is nothing the United States of Piss and Wind can do about it except provide arms to Ukraine from their reserves.

Serbia, can only enter the EU and become a member of the family of civilized nations once she cleans house, clean Serbia of any radical and extreme elements, clean and reform all governmental institution's of corruption, reform any primitive doctrines & aggressive policies by its military, put an end to all assassination's of democratic officials, eradicate any and all underworld organizations! How are we trust Serbia again if she has not been thoroughly rehabilitated? She must prove to the civilized world that she has changed for the better, that she is now a true democracy! Good luck, as you Serbia have a lot of work ahead of you, but I truly believe in you, you can do it with a little effort, here are some links that may give you some ideas!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzotw62EnQ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXoEBdKvuhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpdGXfpqHPo

For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
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First of all when will you realize that you dont offend us by Calling us cetniks? That is something that makes us proud, the cetniks were loyal Soldiers to the king. Secondly Serbia is not solely responsible for what happened in the balkans, you albanians along with your fellow bosnians and croats are equally responsible to say the least, when will you punish those who killed serb civilians and when will you condemn YOUR war crimes upon serb civilians? Dont ask from us what you yourself are unwilling to do. Remember that we hate you just as much, if not even more, than you hate us. It goes 2 ways you see.

It is not for Germany (with their abominable history) to tell sovereign nations what they have to do or not. And it is certainly not correct for the Head of a branch office of the Adenauer Foundation to act in this way. Fortunately for Germany, Bohnet has nothing to do with German foreign policy. He is just a little fish in a very little pond.

The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms
(guess again, 15 July 2014 11:25)

Oh yeah one more thing: even with this elaborate ruse, you even formed a populist political movement called Self-Determination that gives the impression Albanians aren't happy with international supervision, compromising with Serbs, and living apart from Albania. You even got them to actively campaign against dialogue with Belgrade, on the grounds that Thaci is basically giving away the north and parceling up land for Serb cultural preservation in the center and south. You even have them working to either block Thaci's PDK from forming a new government or even divide the opposition into forming a bloc.

All of this to give Serbs the impression they're in control of the situation? Bravo good sir. A masterful performance :)

Frankly I believe the path towards the EU is the right one. However the EU must understand that there is a lot of 'bad blood' between nationalist Serbians and Albanians. Kosovo is quite a fuck up and both parties are to blame, but the way the situation is being handled isn't really working. Kosovo can have its independence and that will happen eventually. The largest concern though is can they truly be trusted to govern the 'country' fairly and ensure no ethnic and racist incidents take place? The current government in charge of Kosovo is a highly corrupt and nationalistic entity and that, I believe, answers my question. Believe it or not, the majority of people on both sides want peace. The EU needs to go a little bit deeper into the issue, and maybe, just maybe the Serbians would be willing to normalise relations if a more accountable and fair government was in place.

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 11:35)


I'm not Albanian.... just a fascinated outsider.

. Kosovo has had to accept a number of conditions if it wants international diplomatic support. You really think the tables are now turned? As long as Belgrade accepts Kosovo is no longer theirs, they've been free to milk out whatever they want.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 07:20)
The only conclusion I can come up with you have had an accident that caused total amnesia and you are posting on B92 for the first time since the accident. Your post is almost identical to the pro independence posts for the last say 8-9 years, but not from your Serb camp.
When was the last time Belgrade has referred to Kosovo as their southern province or said they will never accept Kosovo independence. Has it been 24 hours???
As far as the concessions Pristina has to make, they made them in 2008 with their independence, inorder to gain international support they had to agree to it by accepting the Ahtisaari plan which gave the north substantial autonomy.
The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms (although they have been on paper for more than 6 years now).
But I guess I should not contradict you for as long as it is paraded as a Serbian idea, your group seems happy. So ignore my post we will play it your way, wink, wink.

Germany doesn't like that both Serbia and Kosovo to join EU. It has been avanging its historical bias towards Serbia but, at the same time, attempt-
ing to hide its hypocritical wish that Kosovo's people become a member of
a family of EU's peoples.Thus both countries are expected to do something
impossible: Serbia to reckognise its part as an indenpedent country and
Kosovo being out of Islam.

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

Isnt it funny that I live in Serbia and have never Heard about those 63%, when did that referendum take place? And you should now that the biggest "Kosovo is serbia" party of them all is in power right now, Srpska napredna stranka that is headed by the most loyal allies to Dr. Seselj. You sure dont know a thing about serbian politics.

Belgrade is the only capital city in the world with dead bodies found in mass graves.
(Eric, 15 July 2014 16:05)

Tell me when did they discover massgraves in Belgrade? I live here and havent of it, enlighten me please. And if Serbia is dead then so is the Southern province of Kosovo. We have nothing to apologize for, you got what you deserved what comes around goes around. You are the ones that ought to apologize for massacring and torturing serb civilians on a Daily basis. Burning churches and monesterys and ethnically cleansing Kosovo to be 95% albanian and yet you have the guts to accuse serbs?

Newsflash to you, just because you repeat the same lies that doesnt make them true. N
(Daniel, 17 July 2014 00:42)

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.

Fine, but would you mind telling us which ethnic group you come from then? Hightly unusual for people who don't have a connection to that region or take one side over another to be here.
(Peggy, 18 July 2014 01:06)


Pointing out facts is taking sides?

Everyone's got there knickers in a not lol peace

Thank You Germany, Germany and most of Democratic World know Serbian Politic can not be trust it any more they say something else and turned round do other things world learn from Serbian paste.

I am just shocked at how much you fundamentally misinterpret the ZSO as if it was even a millionth fraction of the Serb republic of Bosnia
(Brian, 15 July 2014 10:06)

I've interpreted it perfectly Brian. The text basically gives local powers to any municipality wishing to join the association, which not only are empowered with the rights of local competencies especially designed for 10 Serb municipalities, but also allows the north to establish a system of law and justice in tandemn with Pristina, but with the powers to appoint its own leadership. No specific details of implementation or coordination of laws were given, leaving the end result open to further modification.

This basically puts the assembly within Pristina's rhetorical sphere of influence only. Since April 2013, Albanian officials have been wondering how their authority will reach the Serbs beyond it being taken on faith. Courts, police, economic planning, customs collection: all have been designed especially for the north around preset conditions and authorities associated with those so-called "parallel institutions", which suddenly became "loyal" by participating in local elections by running on a party supported and financed by Serbia. If that's "loyalty" in Kosovo, it certainly comes cheap.

You're the one constantly parroting "loyalty oaths" as if you somehow think repeating it will make it true. You're the one grossly misinterpreting things, not me.

Some people here forgot China and Russia's veto... Oh and Israel's too and every other country in the world who has territorial issues... Keep dreaming!

Then Serbia is long over due, then serbia has to forget about EU...when they say serbia is joining EU when kosovo joins UN...they means
1. Serbia has a lot of work to do and its far off course
2.Serbia has to tell russia and china that is okay for kosovo to join UN and need to spot interfering on internal issues in kosovo
3. then kosovo gets UN chair
4. the doors to the EU for Serbia then are open

thats it plus there is so many other way you can translate that sentence

Daniel - It's the b92 ipsos poll. I didn't say it was a referendum. The party in charge now has nothing to do with seselj! I don't even know what you are saying. How can a "Kosovo is Serbia" party sign the Brussels agreement which abolished Serb police and court system in Kosovo and set up border guards and customs agents on the sebia Kosovo international border.
(Brian, 15 July 2014 18:16)

First of do you Think a pool on b92 English shows the serbian peoples opinion? I am sure that 99.99%of the voters were albanians just like yourself. Secondly Srpska Narodna Stranka has Everything to do with Seselj since Toma Nikolic and Vucic was his most loyal compatriots in the SRS so you obviously havent got a clue of what your talking about. Last but not least the serbian Court system has not been abolished and I need not to remind you that the police chief in the North is a serb that was appointed by the serbs, they picked out 3 alternatives and Pristina HAD to chose one of those that the serbs picked. There are no international borders, customs agent just an administrative line or if you have any proof can you please show me a map of an international border between Kosovo and Serbia? YOu are nothing but a pathological liar calling administrative line a border and liasion officer ambassador. Either you are a liar or you dont know the difference.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 16:01)
You are truly a work of art I do not know if you are this incredibly naïve or just get off on playing the part.
The Albanians made huge concessions some that they probably thought were unbearable inorder to secure western support for independence but that was all done in 2008 when they adopted a constitution written by international experts based on the Ahtisaari Plan. Not in the last year.
Now with agreements they have to live up to those concessions they made.
The ruse is not by the Albanians and not some plot by the Albanians, the ruse is from your govt on the Serbian people. They are the ones caving on every corner in order to secure a place in the EU and then trying to sell it to the people that it is the Albanians having to sacrifice to their demands. The ruse is that these are not Serbian demands but international demands given to the Albanians 6 years ago.

Have no idea what your rabble about the self determination movement is.
Albin Kurti and his followers have been opposed to any control over Kosovo other than by Albanians, that opposition is as much against international control as it is against Serbian control and it has been present before UNMIK and KFOR moved in.

Daniel,

http://bit.ly/1mKTVnB

Balkan anthropologist and Daniel are just being so stubborn and refusing to see the facts. Pristina demands a list of three Serbs acceptable to it and then pristina picks a Serb that was already acceptable to it to be police chief. Albanians then appoint an Albanian assistant chief with no input from Serbs at all who shares power with the serb prisitina chose. This is not autonomy to serbs. This is pristina dictatorship in Serb areas. All Serb autonomy has been abolished.

The people mentioning Russia and china are right. Even if Serbia removes Kosovo from its constitution and recognizes Kosovo independence at a formal signing ceremony that Germany demands who says Russia will allow Kosovo in Un? Or China? Serbia is a weak pathetic nation and Russia and china are not.

Balkan anthropologist and Daniel are just being so stubborn and refusing to see the facts. Pristina demands a list of three Serbs acceptable to it and then pristina picks a Serb that was already acceptable to it to be police chief. Albanians then appoint an Albanian assistant chief with no input from Serbs at all who shares power with the serb prisitina chose.

Talk about stubborn, once again Pristina had NOTHING whatsoever to say about the police chief in the North, if they told the serbs who to pick then why didnt they pick them themselves? You are so stupid its unbelieveable. No need to discuss with a brick wall you only keep repeating the same lies every day. Newsflash to you, just because you repeat the same lies that doesnt make them true. N

Just watching its very clear that Kosovo in UN to china and Russia would be a great endorsement for whoever in Russia and china wants to make a region of those countries independent. Russia and china have opposed all Kosovo independence moves and its not because they are taking serbias side. Spain too. Kosovo in UN why not basque region or Catalonia.

Daniel now is just being ridiculous as he is denying pristina chose the Serbs police commander and an Albanian deputy who are employed by pristina and follow pristina law.

I'm not Albanian.... just a fascinated outsider.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 17:03)
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Fine, but would you mind telling us which ethnic group you come from then? Hightly unusual for people who don't have a connection to that region or take one side over another to be here.

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!
(Dragan, 16 July 2014 15:19)
its so funny talking as a "real patriot" but see what is going one everyday on the ground people are so desperate to run a away from Balkan my Q is why? because you government cares so much about you or others and here im not talking only about Serbians but whole Balkan peninsula one word POVERTY...and that is sad ..oh i forget think about just sales of the VW German cars a year bring more money from combining all the Balkan State's sales..Cheers!!!

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 11:35)

Of course Everything I post is bs fran an albanian point of view, and Im happy it is. Noone has ever asked you to come to serb site if it doesnt suit you. Wtf r u doing here?

Thank You Germany, Germany and most of Democratic World know Serbian Politic can not be trust it any more they say something else and turned round do other things world learn from Serbian paste.

Pointing out facts is taking sides?
(silly silly, 18 July 2014 11:11)
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No it's not, but like I said others don't bother coming here to debate unless they have a connection.
So I ask again, can the ethic background be supplied or not? It does matter here.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.

You got to love the EU, they are making sure that Serbia is indeed a true democracy, one which has followed thru with democratic reforms, one which acknowledges all the misery & wrongs Serbia committed during the 1990s with her barbaric wars of aggression against her neighbors! Serbia, a potential future EU member must first normalize relations with the republic of Kosova, also Serbia must abolish and eradicate any Serbian parallel institutions located in Kosova that may still be functional, and (YES) this does include Kosova's territory north of the ibar! Serbia will be required to pay war reparations for the destruction Serbia's mighty military inflicted on Kosova's mainly unarmed civilian population, And I really got to hand it to the EU delegation for not forgetting the icing on the cake, Serbia will full heartedly recommend and endorse
UN-membership to the Russians & Chinese, on behalf of the Republic of Kosova!!! Weeee, I wish I could see the many faces of radical-Chetnik-Serbs, that obviously still exist & cling to some power in what remains of Serbia!
For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
http://youtu.be/1z1Fk9FD7FQ

there you have it once more in black and white, and I wonder how long it will take until the serbian people finally realize that they are constantly lied to by their leaders. This is a consensus among EU countries, even the few which have not recognized Kosovo so far agree with that, and the serb leadership still goes on telling their own people something else. I am sure Vucic also heard the same when he was in Berlin last week, but prefers to not mention it at home. UN membership means full recognition by Serbia as well, anything else would be continuing living in a dreamland. What I don't get is, they all know they have to do it, and the way they handle this subject is not making them any friends in the West, cost the country so much money and energy, and everybody knows that the redicules claim that Kosovo is the holy serbian land, only was made up by serb ultranationals a bit more than 100 years ago. Serbia has to free itself from these people that only brought disaster to everybody in the entire Balkan. If that happens, than Serbia will be a respected country and the economic and democratic development would make a big step forward.

Me thinks the Germans have a chip on their shoulder and are still angry that we didn't join them during WWII like some of our neighbours. Oh well, use the accession funds, get the country on track then walk away from the EU.

How about joining Eurasian Union instead of EU ?

Serbia seems to become blackmailed again and again by EU representatives and the representatives of EU member-states.

The Germans are being brutally honest that the EU fanatics in Serbia simply wont own up to. Either recognize the occupation of your territory as an independent state to join some club and be the first country in history to do such a thing, or give up the EU pipedream.

The funny part is that even after this, new conditions will be thought up of. And Serbia will lose more decades chasing a dream that will never materialize (and even if it did, is Serbia's ceiling to be a Romania or Bulgaria?!), chasing something that will forever be unavailable.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)

I wish you will stick to your prior comments about Kosova not being a state/country and will never be. Now you saying yes it can be , but give autonomy to northern thugs!?
I tell you, you guys are some piece of work.

Thank You Germany, Germany and most of Democratic World know Serbian Politic can not be trust it any more they say something else and turned round do other things world learn from Serbian paste.

Thank You Germany, Germany and most of Democratic World know Serbian Politic can not be trust it any more they say something else and turned round do other things world learn from Serbian paste.

Of course Kosovo has to join UN before Serbia even join the EU. According to Obama statement, no bigger nation can bug small nation. Therefore, it's a done deal. What we need is we need Albania to make faster progress with its new generation of politicians so Serbia can shut up or gets a veto :) ..but then again Serbia has to win over Croatia ;) Serbia it's dead right now, it's powerless because still is haven't apologies to the genocide victims it committed in Kosovo. Belgrade is the only capital city in the world with dead bodies found in mass graves.

Well then, Kosovo's going to have to cough up a lot more concessions to Serbia if it wants to get into the UN. By that point, the autonomy slated for ZSO will rival that of Catalonia or Scotland.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)

Merkel says "Serbia in EU when Kosovo in UN".
Balkan Anthropologist says " Kosovo should give more concessions to Serbia".
Merkel is the chancellor of a world super power.
Balkan Anthropologist is nobody.

Belgrade is the only capital city in the world with dead bodies found in mass graves.
(Eric, 15 July 2014 16:05)

Tell me when did they discover massgraves in Belgrade? I live here and havent of it, enlighten me please. And if Serbia is dead then so is the Southern province of Kosovo. We have nothing to apologize for, you got what you deserved what comes around goes around. You are the ones that ought to apologize for massacring and torturing serb civilians on a Daily basis. Burning churches and monesterys and ethnically cleansing Kosovo to be 95% albanian and yet you have the guts to accuse serbs?

Frankly I believe the path towards the EU is the right one. However the EU must understand that there is a lot of 'bad blood' between nationalist Serbians and Albanians. Kosovo is quite a fuck up and both parties are to blame, but the way the situation is being handled isn't really working. Kosovo can have its independence and that will happen eventually. The largest concern though is can they truly be trusted to govern the 'country' fairly and ensure no ethnic and racist incidents take place? The current government in charge of Kosovo is a highly corrupt and nationalistic entity and that, I believe, answers my question. Believe it or not, the majority of people on both sides want peace. The EU needs to go a little bit deeper into the issue, and maybe, just maybe the Serbians would be willing to normalise relations if a more accountable and fair government was in place.

Some people here forgot China and Russia's veto... Oh and Israel's too and every other country in the world who has territorial issues... Keep dreaming!

Well, serbs. If you love your precious kosovo so much, you can keep dreaming about it or attack it already. You can wait for another 100 or more years, and when your dead, your children and nephews can continue dreaming about it or planning to get stronger.
And if you regret it, just blame yourself for being stupid.

Dont choose the EU, abandon all development to it, and go join the customs union of russia. The white marble ring countries such as belarus, armenia, kazakhstan(Borat type people) and of course, the center of the 21st century religious orthodox neo-fascistm, Russia.

I keep reading comments how some of you vow to return and wage genocide again. Funny.
And to make it sweeter, russia's economy is stagnating again. And let me make more fun, russia economy is based on selling gas and rusting soviet equipemnt. Any one with a brain can figure this out, you cannot build an economy based on 1 or 2 sectors. Look at, greece. Its hilarious.
You know, russia's economy is the same size as that of italy.

And then, russia is trying to be big bully based on what? Conservative values? Lol. The most ocnservative countries in the world, like saudi arabia,somalia,sudan,nigeria are are truly beacons of human progression...lol, not.

You know whats ironic, if you werent all the bent in attacking bosnia and causing a genocide, you would not be in the position you are today.
While you are at it, get some loans, you dont have enough money to pay the rent.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 14 July 2014 17:38)
Guess that one just flew over your head, like so many Serbs you only see what you want to see and not what is actually there.
The pressure is NOT on Kosovo for Serbia to get into the EU, the pressure is on Serbia to get Kosovo into the UN or NO EU. Meaning the majority of concessions will be on the Serbian side. Not that reasonable concessions of Kosovo is not expected but Serbia has just been kicked out of the seat of control.

Balkan anthropologist fundamentally misunderstands the powers of the ZSO. It's not a government! It has no legislative judicial or executive powers. It's a club for local governments. It's a caucus a fraternity. All powers a municipal and federal with all municipal laws governed by pristina law and all laws subject to judicial review. BA needs to learn about Kosovo government.

The main topic is about Kosovo in UN and dacic proposed that years ago and there is no Serb opposition to Kosovo in UN. Opposition to Kosovo in UN is from russia china Spain not serbia.

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

Serbia, can only enter the EU and become a member of the family of civilized nations once she cleans house, clean Serbia of any radical and extreme elements, clean and reform all governmental institution's of corruption, reform any primitive doctrines & aggressive policies by its military, put an end to all assassination's of democratic officials, eradicate any and all underworld organizations! How are we trust Serbia again if she has not been thoroughly rehabilitated? She must prove to the civilized world that she has changed for the better, that she is now a true democracy! Good luck, as you Serbia have a lot of work ahead of you, but I truly believe in you, you can do it with a little effort, here are some links that may give you some ideas!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzotw62EnQ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXoEBdKvuhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpdGXfpqHPo

For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
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(Rocky, 14 July 2014 22:37)

Not really. It's just the old story of an ever growing empire spreading its wings and reaching problematic regions throughout the world, then picking sides. And luckily, they had people like Albanians who are prototype empire clingers. This isn't anything new in history. In Ancient Greece, Sparta & Athens being the two strongest city-states for some time would pick little satellites to intervene on behalf of as well.

Thing is, your empire will always leave as they have done in the past. Your hand-me-down relationship will be dumped the moment it is convenient for the Western powers of today.

Don't worry, it'll pass. And all you'll have to show for it is pole for wires that was placed right in the middle of a newly built street (paid for by Western tax payers of course). Seriously guys, they placed the pole right in the center of the street so cars have to drive around the pole to continue on.....have a look for yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFKGUkMBf4

It is not for Germany (with their abominable history) to tell sovereign nations what they have to do or not. And it is certainly not correct for the Head of a branch office of the Adenauer Foundation to act in this way. Fortunately for Germany, Bohnet has nothing to do with German foreign policy. He is just a little fish in a very little pond.

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 11:35)

Of course Everything I post is bs fran an albanian point of view, and Im happy it is. Noone has ever asked you to come to serb site if it doesnt suit you. Wtf r u doing here?

Hi Willy, what you don't get is the subject of my post
LMAO

I find statements like this so amusing as they always bring a smile to my face. Now let’s be serious here for a moment – how many times have we heard this same statement from a German parliamentarian? Does anyone recall the catch cry of no recognition of Kosovo and no freedom of movement for Serb citizens in the EU????? Many other agreements have been signed without giving an inch too, but that’s kept very quiet.

However, all this matters little as I strongly recommend reading the article here on Why Moldovia matters here on B92. The EU will not matter very soon as Russia takes control over Brussels – it’s no joke. Even the Asian bankers are preparing for it as I write. The EU is now siding with Russia over Ukraine. Italy has given the green light for South stream to continue and guess who is prospecting for gas and oil in Kroatia??? Can the little Kroats guess? Yes its Russia, and our little fascist friends said it would never be done.

The clock is a ticking and there is nothing the United States of Piss and Wind can do about it except provide arms to Ukraine from their reserves.

For all those that may think it, Serbia is not being unjustly punished, the civilized world just doesn't want to see the horrors of the 1990s repeated ever again, by another very likely radical Serbia of the future! Only Serbia is to blame for all the requirements the world has placed onto Serbia for her misdeeds in Southern Europe!
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First of all when will you realize that you dont offend us by Calling us cetniks? That is something that makes us proud, the cetniks were loyal Soldiers to the king. Secondly Serbia is not solely responsible for what happened in the balkans, you albanians along with your fellow bosnians and croats are equally responsible to say the least, when will you punish those who killed serb civilians and when will you condemn YOUR war crimes upon serb civilians? Dont ask from us what you yourself are unwilling to do. Remember that we hate you just as much, if not even more, than you hate us. It goes 2 ways you see.

Merkel says "Serbia in EU when Kosovo in UN".
Balkan Anthropologist says " Kosovo should give more concessions to Serbia".
Merkel is the chancellor of a world super power.
Balkan Anthropologist is nobody.
(Mark, 14 July 2014 21:26)

It wasn't Merkel. It was a number of German MPs. Merkel will probably be gone by the time Serbia's EU membership is granted.

Even if she did say it, what gives you any confidence Kosovo's road to the UN won't involve the international community brokering more compromises between the Albanians and Serbs? You really think Serbia is going to accept an ultimatum without concessions? You clearly haven't paid attention to what Pristina's had to concede to since 2007. You and other also seem to forget how the internationally approved powers of ZSO will be implemented. Even if it goes exactly as the Ahtisaari Plan envisions, that's already more autonomy and local competencies than Pristina thinks.

Germany's not a world super power. Winning the World Cup doesn't make them that. Remember Merkel's last ultimatum of disbanding "parallel institutions"? How'd that go? Oh right, they just renamed themselves, got international blessing for holding elections just when the rest of Kosovo was, and suddenly they're in charge of running what they were running before.

"Kosova" really can't afford many more international ultimatums to Serbs :)

The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms
(guess again, 15 July 2014 11:25)

Oh yeah one more thing: even with this elaborate ruse, you even formed a populist political movement called Self-Determination that gives the impression Albanians aren't happy with international supervision, compromising with Serbs, and living apart from Albania. You even got them to actively campaign against dialogue with Belgrade, on the grounds that Thaci is basically giving away the north and parceling up land for Serb cultural preservation in the center and south. You even have them working to either block Thaci's PDK from forming a new government or even divide the opposition into forming a bloc.

All of this to give Serbs the impression they're in control of the situation? Bravo good sir. A masterful performance :)

All autonomy for northern Kosovo Serbs was abolished and all pristinas laws and systems will be in north Kosovo being implemented by Serbs with Albanian deputies like the police force is set up. There is not one iota of autonomy for Serbs. Serbs are just the face of Albanian rule and prisitina rule. Eu / Germany/ UK will have it no other way.
(Brian, 15 July 2014 18:16)

Ok you really have no idea what you're writing about, and you clearly have never been to Kosovo - either the north or the rest of it for you to be making these ridiculous statements. I can only conclude that you're either living in denial, you somehow read the wrong agreement, or you're actually part of that small group of people who believes the propaganda coming from Pristina trying to convince its constituents that victory was achieved - certainly not Self-Determination, certainly not any Kosovo-based NGO, certainly not any serious think tank, and certainly not any scholarly assessment of the Agreement believes this.

Not only was autonomy approved by Pristina, it's only going to grow in the coming years both in depth of responsibilities, and in breadth in terms of the number of local communities that join. Not my problem if you can't or won't see it. You've yet to offer one single solid proof your opinion is correct beyond some lame attempt at insinuating Serbs signed some "loyalty oath". Don't bother replying. I know you've not nothing to say beyond what you've already said.

"Serbia will join EU when Kosovo joins UN"

Well, I guess you can't state it any clearer than that, even the Serbs understand it!

Some people here forgot China and Russia's veto... Oh and Israel's too and every other country in the world who has territorial issues... Keep dreaming!

Then Serbia is long over due, then serbia has to forget about EU...when they say serbia is joining EU when kosovo joins UN...they means
1. Serbia has a lot of work to do and its far off course
2.Serbia has to tell russia and china that is okay for kosovo to join UN and need to spot interfering on internal issues in kosovo
3. then kosovo gets UN chair
4. the doors to the EU for Serbia then are open

thats it plus there is so many other way you can translate that sentence

"The delegation made it clear that they expect an open debate on reforms with the involvement of all stakeholders, as well as the opposition," said Bohnet.
Get back on your copy Vucic!

Concerning Kosovo, as I always said, Germany and other US lapdogs will always insist on serbian recognition of Kosovo independance.
That's the deal folks!

But, once again, believe me, it's not worth to let go on your national sovereignty for to buy an entry ticket to the sinking EU ship!!!

Are they going to do another poll and ask the right questions this time in Serbia?
Time to wake up and walk away.

. Kosovo has had to accept a number of conditions if it wants international diplomatic support. You really think the tables are now turned? As long as Belgrade accepts Kosovo is no longer theirs, they've been free to milk out whatever they want.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 07:20)
The only conclusion I can come up with you have had an accident that caused total amnesia and you are posting on B92 for the first time since the accident. Your post is almost identical to the pro independence posts for the last say 8-9 years, but not from your Serb camp.
When was the last time Belgrade has referred to Kosovo as their southern province or said they will never accept Kosovo independence. Has it been 24 hours???
As far as the concessions Pristina has to make, they made them in 2008 with their independence, inorder to gain international support they had to agree to it by accepting the Ahtisaari plan which gave the north substantial autonomy.
The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms (although they have been on paper for more than 6 years now).
But I guess I should not contradict you for as long as it is paraded as a Serbian idea, your group seems happy. So ignore my post we will play it your way, wink, wink.

You also don't even seem to know that Serbs voted at the same rate and percentage as Albanians in the kosovo elections on republic of Kosovo ballots in an election organized by the republic of Kosovo and all winners must swear loyalty to the republic of Kosovo!
(Brian, 15 July 2014 10:06)

Keep lying u filthy bastard, only 13 percent of the serbs voted while 60 % of the albanians did. Show me proof of only ONE serb swearing any kind of loyalty whatsoever to "Kosovo", only one. And the Kosovo insignia was erased from the ballots. Where do u get your lies and fantasies from?

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

Isnt it funny that I live in Serbia and have never Heard about those 63%, when did that referendum take place? And you should now that the biggest "Kosovo is serbia" party of them all is in power right now, Srpska napredna stranka that is headed by the most loyal allies to Dr. Seselj. You sure dont know a thing about serbian politics.

I am just shocked at how much you fundamentally misinterpret the ZSO as if it was even a millionth fraction of the Serb republic of Bosnia
(Brian, 15 July 2014 10:06)

I've interpreted it perfectly Brian. The text basically gives local powers to any municipality wishing to join the association, which not only are empowered with the rights of local competencies especially designed for 10 Serb municipalities, but also allows the north to establish a system of law and justice in tandemn with Pristina, but with the powers to appoint its own leadership. No specific details of implementation or coordination of laws were given, leaving the end result open to further modification.

This basically puts the assembly within Pristina's rhetorical sphere of influence only. Since April 2013, Albanian officials have been wondering how their authority will reach the Serbs beyond it being taken on faith. Courts, police, economic planning, customs collection: all have been designed especially for the north around preset conditions and authorities associated with those so-called "parallel institutions", which suddenly became "loyal" by participating in local elections by running on a party supported and financed by Serbia. If that's "loyalty" in Kosovo, it certainly comes cheap.

You're the one constantly parroting "loyalty oaths" as if you somehow think repeating it will make it true. You're the one grossly misinterpreting things, not me.

As far as the concessions Pristina has to make, they made them in 2008 with their independence, inorder to gain international support they had to agree to it by accepting the Ahtisaari plan which gave the north substantial autonomy.
The only difference is they have had to play the game, go to Brussels let the Serb officials propose the Ahtisaari plan while denying what it actually is and say OK you have forced us into a corner so we accept those terms
(guess again, 15 July 2014 11:25)

It's adorable you think Albanians have been playing this along all this time. It's nice to know Kosovo's leadership gave up on strong sovereignty, total control over their own affairs, and granting Serbs, less than 10% of their population, rights and privileges that effectively hamstring Kosovo's politics and economics indefinitely. It's just adorable you think Albanians accepted Ahtisaari's Plan as a way of hoodwinking Serbs. Even the leadership back in 2007 put on a convincing show they were accepting a heavy burden all for independence :)

If it helps you sleep at night that this was an Albanian-approved plan from the start, and not an international imposition to compensate Serbia, then by all means, you continue to sleep with that dream. Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that granting the Serbs executive powers of autonomy was also a sneaky way to get Belgrade to allow you to join the UN.

By all means, thank you for your clever tactics :)

63% of Serbia - the Serbian public -says Kosovo is an independent nation and in the elections eliminated all "Kosovo is Serbia "parties from the parliament. Serbs are telling its leaders Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation but its leaders for some bizarre reason won't follow the Serbian public! I don't understand it.

Isnt it funny that I live in Serbia and have never Heard about those 63%, when did that referendum take place? And you should now that the biggest "Kosovo is serbia" party of them all is in power right now, Srpska napredna stranka that is headed by the most loyal allies to Dr. Seselj. You sure dont know a thing about serbian politics.

Balkan anthropologist- you really need to read the Brussels agreement. You just aren't even close to the reality of the agreement. There is no "in tandem with pristina" it's pristinas system! Just because a Serb Will be a judge or a police chief doesn't mean it's autonomy. All autonomy for northern Kosovo Serbs was abolished and all pristinas laws and systems will be in north Kosovo being implemented by Serbs with Albanian deputies like the police force is set up. There is not one iota of autonomy for Serbs. Serbs are just the face of Albanian rule and prisitina rule. Eu / Germany/ UK will have it no other way.

Daniel - It's the b92 ipsos poll. I didn't say it was a referendum. The party in charge now has nothing to do with seselj! I don't even know what you are saying. How can a "Kosovo is Serbia" party sign the Brussels agreement which abolished Serb police and court system in Kosovo and set up border guards and customs agents on the sebia Kosovo international border.

You seem happy to say that. I'm happier to say Kosovo is reognized by a majority of the UN. Kosovo gained independence in 2008 and has 55% recognition of the UN, while Palestine gained independence in the mid 80's and has ~65% UN recognition. Serbia will be forced to recognize Kosovo due to the fact that Serbia's leaders are starving for EU membership. Russia, China, Isreal, etc. will follow. I predict that after Serbia completes it's obstacles like, obviously, corruption, the EU would then shove recognition down their throats. Forcing it out is not an option, they could only swallow. Oh, and isn't it quite sad that Isreal is not recognizing Kosovo? You would think they would be so thankful to Albanians that they allowed Jews there to live in their own homes and be protected, Muslims and Christian Albanians risking their lives to save these people they've never seen before. Lets not forget that Albania had a higher population of Jews than before WW2. That wasn't the case for the other European nations.

Balkan anthropologist and Daniel are just being so stubborn and refusing to see the facts. Pristina demands a list of three Serbs acceptable to it and then pristina picks a Serb that was already acceptable to it to be police chief. Albanians then appoint an Albanian assistant chief with no input from Serbs at all who shares power with the serb prisitina chose. This is not autonomy to serbs. This is pristina dictatorship in Serb areas. All Serb autonomy has been abolished.

The people mentioning Russia and china are right. Even if Serbia removes Kosovo from its constitution and recognizes Kosovo independence at a formal signing ceremony that Germany demands who says Russia will allow Kosovo in Un? Or China? Serbia is a weak pathetic nation and Russia and china are not.

Balkan anthropologist and Daniel are just being so stubborn and refusing to see the facts. Pristina demands a list of three Serbs acceptable to it and then pristina picks a Serb that was already acceptable to it to be police chief. Albanians then appoint an Albanian assistant chief with no input from Serbs at all who shares power with the serb prisitina chose.

Talk about stubborn, once again Pristina had NOTHING whatsoever to say about the police chief in the North, if they told the serbs who to pick then why didnt they pick them themselves? You are so stupid its unbelieveable. No need to discuss with a brick wall you only keep repeating the same lies every day. Newsflash to you, just because you repeat the same lies that doesnt make them true. N

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!
(Dragan, 16 July 2014 15:19)

Yep, Kosovars agree with almost everything you stated above... Imagine if Serbia had been an EU member - Serbia's soldiers would still be in Kosovo today.

As for Kosovo becoming a country, that has nothing to do with UN membership, unless, of course, you are suggesting stupidities like Serbia was not a country until the year 2000 or Ukraine was a country between 1945 and 1990.

An entity is a country for any other entity that recognizes it as a country. If country A recognizes country C as a country, but country B does not recognize country C as a country, then C is a country for A and is not a country for B. Unfortunately Serbia is not the universal judge of what's a country and what's not, despite Serbia's dreams of grandeur...

Willi pfaff is right. Germans are very clear about this, and it's Serbia's establishment that is consistently lying to them about this. Serbia must agree with the amputation of its territory to satisfy sick German vendettas against Serbia for stopping its imperial campaigns in both WWI and WWII.

We shouldn't give into satisfying sick German obsessions in no way shape or form. The fortunate thing is the EU is crumbling because its central institutions are trying to move towards federalism but the people are saying no. Despite media demonization campaigns, the EU parliament has 1/3 parties that are EUskeptic and want the damn thing to fall apart.

Give it time, north and south Europe are far too different culturally and economically to be in one super state. It wont work. It's not working and it is unravelling. Thank God for that.

Now you saying yes it can be , but give autonomy to northern thugs!?
I tell you, you guys are some piece of work.
(the truth, 14 July 2014 18:23)

I've been saying that for years. You seem to have trouble differentiating between other posters on this site. I'm all for autonomy. The international community has basically handed parts of Kosovo's territory on Belgrade's doorstep in exchange for letting the larger lot go. Not saying Belgrade's leaders have been smart with the opportunities they've been given, but no one's really all that interested in supporting Pristina's entry into the north, now are they?

Balkan anthropologist fundamentally misunderstands the powers of the ZSO. It's not a government! It has no legislative judicial or executive powers. It's a club for local governments. It's a caucus a fraternity. All powers a municipal and federal with all municipal laws governed by pristina law and all laws subject to judicial review. BA needs to learn about Kosovo government.
(Brian, 14 July 2014 20:53)

I'm sorry but I've stopped taking you seriously a long time ago. Rest assured I've read your reply, and rest assured I think as much of it as I think of your fervent belief that the majority of Serbs in Kosovo are loyal to Pristina.

Balkan anthropologist I am just shocked at how much you fundamentally misinterpret the ZSO as if it was even a millionth fraction of the Serb republic of Bosnia in terms of autonomy and now you say the ZSO is a Scotland potentially? Just read what the ZSO is! Every single municipality in Kosovo has he right to set up associations with others based on any criteria th want.

You also don't even seem to know that Serbs voted at the same rate and percentage as Albanians in the kosovo elections on republic of Kosovo ballots in an election organized by the republic of Kosovo and all winners must swear loyalty to the republic of Kosovo!

Daniel - It's the b92 ipsos poll. I didn't say it was a referendum. The party in charge now has nothing to do with seselj! I don't even know what you are saying. How can a "Kosovo is Serbia" party sign the Brussels agreement which abolished Serb police and court system in Kosovo and set up border guards and customs agents on the sebia Kosovo international border.
(Brian, 15 July 2014 18:16)

First of do you Think a pool on b92 English shows the serbian peoples opinion? I am sure that 99.99%of the voters were albanians just like yourself. Secondly Srpska Narodna Stranka has Everything to do with Seselj since Toma Nikolic and Vucic was his most loyal compatriots in the SRS so you obviously havent got a clue of what your talking about. Last but not least the serbian Court system has not been abolished and I need not to remind you that the police chief in the North is a serb that was appointed by the serbs, they picked out 3 alternatives and Pristina HAD to chose one of those that the serbs picked. There are no international borders, customs agent just an administrative line or if you have any proof can you please show me a map of an international border between Kosovo and Serbia? YOu are nothing but a pathological liar calling administrative line a border and liasion officer ambassador. Either you are a liar or you dont know the difference.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 16:01)
You are truly a work of art I do not know if you are this incredibly naïve or just get off on playing the part.
The Albanians made huge concessions some that they probably thought were unbearable inorder to secure western support for independence but that was all done in 2008 when they adopted a constitution written by international experts based on the Ahtisaari Plan. Not in the last year.
Now with agreements they have to live up to those concessions they made.
The ruse is not by the Albanians and not some plot by the Albanians, the ruse is from your govt on the Serbian people. They are the ones caving on every corner in order to secure a place in the EU and then trying to sell it to the people that it is the Albanians having to sacrifice to their demands. The ruse is that these are not Serbian demands but international demands given to the Albanians 6 years ago.

Have no idea what your rabble about the self determination movement is.
Albin Kurti and his followers have been opposed to any control over Kosovo other than by Albanians, that opposition is as much against international control as it is against Serbian control and it has been present before UNMIK and KFOR moved in.

The people mentioning Russia and china are right. Even if Serbia removes Kosovo from its constitution and recognizes Kosovo independence at a formal signing ceremony that Germany demands who says Russia will allow Kosovo in Un? Or China? Serbia is a weak pathetic nation and Russia and china are not.
(Brian, 16 July 2014 18:31
What reason would Russia or China have to block Kosovo in the UN if Serbia drops its objection?

I'm not Albanian.... just a fascinated outsider.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 17:03)
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Fine, but would you mind telling us which ethnic group you come from then? Hightly unusual for people who don't have a connection to that region or take one side over another to be here.

The pressure is NOT on Kosovo for Serbia to get into the EU, the pressure is on Serbia to get Kosovo into the UN or NO EU. Meaning the majority of concessions will be on the Serbian side. Not that reasonable concessions of Kosovo is not expected but Serbia has just been kicked out of the seat of control.
(guess again, 14 July 2014 18:22)

Really? Aside from basically giving up on a territory they lost in 1999, what concessions will Serbia have to give? Since the international community tried to figure out what to do with Kosovo, the Serbs have basically been given local autonomy, and no one really has done anything for the north. Kosovo has had to accept a number of conditions if it wants international diplomatic support. You really think the tables are now turned? As long as Belgrade accepts Kosovo is no longer theirs, they've been free to milk out whatever they want.

Germany's not a world super power. Winning the World Cup doesn't make them that. Remember Merkel's last ultimatum of disbanding "parallel institutions"? How'd that go? Oh right, they just renamed themselves, got international blessing for holding elections just when the rest of Kosovo was, and suddenly they're in charge of running what they were running before.

"Kosova" really can't afford many more international ultimatums to Serbs :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 July 2014 07:16)

Actually They Are a super Power! What makes you Super Power it Economy, Military and ability to influence others by different means. So germany hits all those notes. They are the leaders of Europe like it or not even after devastation they took in WW2. I know they have a strained relation with Serbia historically but common Man if they are not who is?

Nukes don't make you super Power and if Germany wanted they can have one in short amount of time, Look at quality of life etc. Why Serbs emigrate to Germany so much not Russia which by your tone I assume you think its a super power.

Germany doesn't like that both Serbia and Kosovo to join EU. It has been avanging its historical bias towards Serbia but, at the same time, attempt-
ing to hide its hypocritical wish that Kosovo's people become a member of
a family of EU's peoples.Thus both countries are expected to do something
impossible: Serbia to reckognise its part as an indenpedent country and
Kosovo being out of Islam.

Music to my ears, Serbia stays the hell out of the EU (aka the Fourth Reich), stays independent and doesn't need to take orders from Germans...and Kosovo never gets a UN seat and never becomes a country. I call that a win-win.
Cheers!!!
(Dragan, 16 July 2014 15:19)
its so funny talking as a "real patriot" but see what is going one everyday on the ground people are so desperate to run a away from Balkan my Q is why? because you government cares so much about you or others and here im not talking only about Serbians but whole Balkan peninsula one word POVERTY...and that is sad ..oh i forget think about just sales of the VW German cars a year bring more money from combining all the Balkan State's sales..Cheers!!!

Fine, but would you mind telling us which ethnic group you come from then? Hightly unusual for people who don't have a connection to that region or take one side over another to be here.
(Peggy, 18 July 2014 01:06)


Pointing out facts is taking sides?

There is no point pretending it isn't so. I've been aware of this for years. It's a difficult choice to make - what to give up? I would give up EU membership.

Everyone's got there knickers in a not lol peace

Daniel,

http://bit.ly/1mKTVnB

Newsflash to you, just because you repeat the same lies that doesnt make them true. N
(Daniel, 17 July 2014 00:42)

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.

Just watching its very clear that Kosovo in UN to china and Russia would be a great endorsement for whoever in Russia and china wants to make a region of those countries independent. Russia and china have opposed all Kosovo independence moves and its not because they are taking serbias side. Spain too. Kosovo in UN why not basque region or Catalonia.

Daniel now is just being ridiculous as he is denying pristina chose the Serbs police commander and an Albanian deputy who are employed by pristina and follow pristina law.

Pointing out facts is taking sides?
(silly silly, 18 July 2014 11:11)
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No it's not, but like I said others don't bother coming here to debate unless they have a connection.
So I ask again, can the ethic background be supplied or not? It does matter here.

Past few days your record on this site is about 100% when it comes to posting demonstrable bullshit.
(just watching, 17 July 2014 11:35)


I'm not Albanian.... just a fascinated outsider.