Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac
Check up ur facts you post your lies, Bratunac is in EASTERN Bosnia. Pathological liar is what you are.
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
Once again Another lie, VRS statistics clearly show that more than 3000 serb civilians were killed in and around Srebrenica including the Bratunac. By the way you tried to fool people by saying that Bratunac is in western bosnia so that these statistics would suit your lie. Unfortunately there are people that know that Bratunac is in eastern bosnia so your lie didnt work out this time.
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
my sources:
ITCY demographic unit
RDC Sarajevo
Both of which got information from official Serbian sources to compile their reports.
So, if you have some contrary information, go ahead and post it. Otherwise you're just perpetuating lies you've heard.
Actually Danilo, you didn't put it as "succinctly" as you like to think. You made an accusation without providing any evidence. What's more, you overlooked the point of the article, commemorating the deaths of innocent victims of ethnic violence, and opted to morally judge it in light of Srebrenica, as if the two can or should be compared. By that logic, Bosnians are hypocritical crying over Srebrenica since they don't show the correct amount of grief for what Oric did in Bratunac.
I didn't know mourning one's own victims is directly related to denying events elsewhere. Wonder what that says about Sarajevo and Zagreb, let alone Pristina. If there's a direct relation between those commemorating Bratunac and denying Srebrenica, then you've got a point. But I'm pretty certain those who actually lived in and survived the Yugoslav civil wars don't politicize it as much as those commenting from a remote IP address 20 years later.
So if you want to explain a little more "succinctly" how a memorial is related to genocide deniers, by all means, dazzle me with your deductive acumen. Otherwise, excuse you for being the one making comments I'd expect to come from the diaspora you love to ridicule.
"All prisoners were tortured and eventually murdered in Srebrenica camps. The bodies of ten victims were discovered by accident on June 10, 2011 in Zalužje by a team of the Identification Center in Tuzla who were looking for the remains of Muslim victims."
See, I wonder if when the remains were officially found the press was quoting some Muslim claiming they were "believed to be Bosniak" or something like that.
When the dead turn out to be ethnic Serbs the mainstream media goes silent and doesn't do any corrective updates.
There's been many times when the bodies they find turn out to be ethnic Serbs, and unlike for the Muslims the Serbs have many women dead in the massacres. The Muslims were most all army/combatants.
Notice also how it was a holy day celebration and the Muslims attacked. Just like in early 1993, they had a raid and massacre on Serbian Orthodox Christmas. The Serbs should have taken note on the start and been extra alert and prepared on those days.
Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
The 3000 that died were only from the Srebrenica region. So not Bratunac only but also villages such as Kravica. Genocide implies one-sided, systematic violence against a people. It cannot be genocide if the other side takes up arms and murders civilians too.
Because that's what this was, a war. A war that had both sides commit atrocities. Calling this a "genocide" is a spit in the face to Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and Armenian victims of the genocidal campaign organized by the Turks.
I'm sure when Osama Bin Laden and al-qaeda came to visit Bosnia during the war, I'm sure it was because they were noble warriors against genocide.
As for you, it's great that your self-hatred is eating you alive.(if you really are Serbian at all, people pose all the time on the internet you never know).
But facts are facts, Serbian civilians had to give their lives for Republika Srpska. And now, our entity exists. So you can eat your heart out and go drown your sorrows with your Croatian and Albanian brothers. But it will exist until it's absorbed into Serbia. So take your genocide talk and shove it up your . . .
I'm not diminishing anyone's death, "Balkan Anthropologist". All victims need to be recognized. No one is telling you not to mourn particular deaths. Your refusal to do so because the dominant narrative hurts your feelings (or something) is rather childish. It's you who's politicizing deaths, not me.
I'm pointing out that "3000 killed in Bratunac" doesn't match VRS's own statistics.
Srebrenica genocide deniers don't even try to be logically consistent. It's not even their goal to be logically consistent, just to massage the feeling of people who've become deeply invested, for some reason, in a demonstrably counter-factual position. Like people who deny evolution and say that god put the fossils there to test our faith.
So, good for you, for being so faithful. In the end, it's just noise to those who are sincerely interested in looking for the truth.
"How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know"
Well, I explained it fairly succinctly in my first post. If you don't want understanding because it hurts your feelings, that's not my (or anyone else's) problem
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
Tell that to the vicitms' families. I'm sure they'll understand your extraordinary logic. How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know, but I guess it's too much for even someone of your self proclaimed intelligence to look at this as another page in the chapter of the civil wars that plagued everyone in Yugoslavia. I refuse to light a candle for Srebrenica and get all reflective if I'm not supposed to do the same for the victims of Oric's violence. Try looking elsewhere in the Balkans for state sponsored historical revisionism. Not just the country you've been bitching about working in for the past x number of years. Commemorating the deaths of innocent Serbs at the hands of someone who walks free in Sarajevo today shouldn't be ridiculed any more than any other atrocity.
raided several Serb villages in the Srebrenica and Bratunac area
--------------
It should be pointed out that these villages are/were "Serb villages" because they were ethnically cleansed of Bosniacks by Serb forces early on in the war. in 1990 Bratunac was a Bosniak village.
Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac.
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial. Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
The 3000 that died were only from the Srebrenica region. So not Bratunac only but also villages such as Kravica. Genocide implies one-sided, systematic violence against a people. It cannot be genocide if the other side takes up arms and murders civilians too.
Because that's what this was, a war. A war that had both sides commit atrocities. Calling this a "genocide" is a spit in the face to Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and Armenian victims of the genocidal campaign organized by the Turks.
I'm sure when Osama Bin Laden and al-qaeda came to visit Bosnia during the war, I'm sure it was because they were noble warriors against genocide.
As for you, it's great that your self-hatred is eating you alive.(if you really are Serbian at all, people pose all the time on the internet you never know).
But facts are facts, Serbian civilians had to give their lives for Republika Srpska. And now, our entity exists. So you can eat your heart out and go drown your sorrows with your Croatian and Albanian brothers. But it will exist until it's absorbed into Serbia. So take your genocide talk and shove it up your . . .
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
Tell that to the vicitms' families. I'm sure they'll understand your extraordinary logic. How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know, but I guess it's too much for even someone of your self proclaimed intelligence to look at this as another page in the chapter of the civil wars that plagued everyone in Yugoslavia. I refuse to light a candle for Srebrenica and get all reflective if I'm not supposed to do the same for the victims of Oric's violence. Try looking elsewhere in the Balkans for state sponsored historical revisionism. Not just the country you've been bitching about working in for the past x number of years. Commemorating the deaths of innocent Serbs at the hands of someone who walks free in Sarajevo today shouldn't be ridiculed any more than any other atrocity.
"All prisoners were tortured and eventually murdered in Srebrenica camps. The bodies of ten victims were discovered by accident on June 10, 2011 in Zalužje by a team of the Identification Center in Tuzla who were looking for the remains of Muslim victims."
See, I wonder if when the remains were officially found the press was quoting some Muslim claiming they were "believed to be Bosniak" or something like that.
When the dead turn out to be ethnic Serbs the mainstream media goes silent and doesn't do any corrective updates.
There's been many times when the bodies they find turn out to be ethnic Serbs, and unlike for the Muslims the Serbs have many women dead in the massacres. The Muslims were most all army/combatants.
Notice also how it was a holy day celebration and the Muslims attacked. Just like in early 1993, they had a raid and massacre on Serbian Orthodox Christmas. The Serbs should have taken note on the start and been extra alert and prepared on those days.
Actually Danilo, you didn't put it as "succinctly" as you like to think. You made an accusation without providing any evidence. What's more, you overlooked the point of the article, commemorating the deaths of innocent victims of ethnic violence, and opted to morally judge it in light of Srebrenica, as if the two can or should be compared. By that logic, Bosnians are hypocritical crying over Srebrenica since they don't show the correct amount of grief for what Oric did in Bratunac.
I didn't know mourning one's own victims is directly related to denying events elsewhere. Wonder what that says about Sarajevo and Zagreb, let alone Pristina. If there's a direct relation between those commemorating Bratunac and denying Srebrenica, then you've got a point. But I'm pretty certain those who actually lived in and survived the Yugoslav civil wars don't politicize it as much as those commenting from a remote IP address 20 years later.
So if you want to explain a little more "succinctly" how a memorial is related to genocide deniers, by all means, dazzle me with your deductive acumen. Otherwise, excuse you for being the one making comments I'd expect to come from the diaspora you love to ridicule.
Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac
Check up ur facts you post your lies, Bratunac is in EASTERN Bosnia. Pathological liar is what you are.
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
Once again Another lie, VRS statistics clearly show that more than 3000 serb civilians were killed in and around Srebrenica including the Bratunac. By the way you tried to fool people by saying that Bratunac is in western bosnia so that these statistics would suit your lie. Unfortunately there are people that know that Bratunac is in eastern bosnia so your lie didnt work out this time.
raided several Serb villages in the Srebrenica and Bratunac area
--------------
It should be pointed out that these villages are/were "Serb villages" because they were ethnically cleansed of Bosniacks by Serb forces early on in the war. in 1990 Bratunac was a Bosniak village.
Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac.
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial. Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
I'm not diminishing anyone's death, "Balkan Anthropologist". All victims need to be recognized. No one is telling you not to mourn particular deaths. Your refusal to do so because the dominant narrative hurts your feelings (or something) is rather childish. It's you who's politicizing deaths, not me.
I'm pointing out that "3000 killed in Bratunac" doesn't match VRS's own statistics.
Srebrenica genocide deniers don't even try to be logically consistent. It's not even their goal to be logically consistent, just to massage the feeling of people who've become deeply invested, for some reason, in a demonstrably counter-factual position. Like people who deny evolution and say that god put the fossils there to test our faith.
So, good for you, for being so faithful. In the end, it's just noise to those who are sincerely interested in looking for the truth.
"How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know"
Well, I explained it fairly succinctly in my first post. If you don't want understanding because it hurts your feelings, that's not my (or anyone else's) problem
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
my sources:
ITCY demographic unit
RDC Sarajevo
Both of which got information from official Serbian sources to compile their reports.
So, if you have some contrary information, go ahead and post it. Otherwise you're just perpetuating lies you've heard.
raided several Serb villages in the Srebrenica and Bratunac area
--------------
It should be pointed out that these villages are/were "Serb villages" because they were ethnically cleansed of Bosniacks by Serb forces early on in the war. in 1990 Bratunac was a Bosniak village.
Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac.
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial. Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
I'm not diminishing anyone's death, "Balkan Anthropologist". All victims need to be recognized. No one is telling you not to mourn particular deaths. Your refusal to do so because the dominant narrative hurts your feelings (or something) is rather childish. It's you who's politicizing deaths, not me.
I'm pointing out that "3000 killed in Bratunac" doesn't match VRS's own statistics.
Srebrenica genocide deniers don't even try to be logically consistent. It's not even their goal to be logically consistent, just to massage the feeling of people who've become deeply invested, for some reason, in a demonstrably counter-factual position. Like people who deny evolution and say that god put the fossils there to test our faith.
So, good for you, for being so faithful. In the end, it's just noise to those who are sincerely interested in looking for the truth.
"How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know"
Well, I explained it fairly succinctly in my first post. If you don't want understanding because it hurts your feelings, that's not my (or anyone else's) problem
Actually Danilo, you didn't put it as "succinctly" as you like to think. You made an accusation without providing any evidence. What's more, you overlooked the point of the article, commemorating the deaths of innocent victims of ethnic violence, and opted to morally judge it in light of Srebrenica, as if the two can or should be compared. By that logic, Bosnians are hypocritical crying over Srebrenica since they don't show the correct amount of grief for what Oric did in Bratunac.
I didn't know mourning one's own victims is directly related to denying events elsewhere. Wonder what that says about Sarajevo and Zagreb, let alone Pristina. If there's a direct relation between those commemorating Bratunac and denying Srebrenica, then you've got a point. But I'm pretty certain those who actually lived in and survived the Yugoslav civil wars don't politicize it as much as those commenting from a remote IP address 20 years later.
So if you want to explain a little more "succinctly" how a memorial is related to genocide deniers, by all means, dazzle me with your deductive acumen. Otherwise, excuse you for being the one making comments I'd expect to come from the diaspora you love to ridicule.
Since you can't say anymore, "it didn't happen; it's all a lie", you start playing with the numbers to make it look like it was an equal fight/equal bad things done on both sides.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
The 3000 that died were only from the Srebrenica region. So not Bratunac only but also villages such as Kravica. Genocide implies one-sided, systematic violence against a people. It cannot be genocide if the other side takes up arms and murders civilians too.
Because that's what this was, a war. A war that had both sides commit atrocities. Calling this a "genocide" is a spit in the face to Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and Armenian victims of the genocidal campaign organized by the Turks.
I'm sure when Osama Bin Laden and al-qaeda came to visit Bosnia during the war, I'm sure it was because they were noble warriors against genocide.
As for you, it's great that your self-hatred is eating you alive.(if you really are Serbian at all, people pose all the time on the internet you never know).
But facts are facts, Serbian civilians had to give their lives for Republika Srpska. And now, our entity exists. So you can eat your heart out and go drown your sorrows with your Croatian and Albanian brothers. But it will exist until it's absorbed into Serbia. So take your genocide talk and shove it up your . . .
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
my sources:
ITCY demographic unit
RDC Sarajevo
Both of which got information from official Serbian sources to compile their reports.
So, if you have some contrary information, go ahead and post it. Otherwise you're just perpetuating lies you've heard.
This is just an odious form of Srebrenica genocide denial.
(Danilo, 14 July 2014 16:19)
Tell that to the vicitms' families. I'm sure they'll understand your extraordinary logic. How this is related to denying Srebrenica 1995 is something only you know, but I guess it's too much for even someone of your self proclaimed intelligence to look at this as another page in the chapter of the civil wars that plagued everyone in Yugoslavia. I refuse to light a candle for Srebrenica and get all reflective if I'm not supposed to do the same for the victims of Oric's violence. Try looking elsewhere in the Balkans for state sponsored historical revisionism. Not just the country you've been bitching about working in for the past x number of years. Commemorating the deaths of innocent Serbs at the hands of someone who walks free in Sarajevo today shouldn't be ridiculed any more than any other atrocity.
"All prisoners were tortured and eventually murdered in Srebrenica camps. The bodies of ten victims were discovered by accident on June 10, 2011 in Zalužje by a team of the Identification Center in Tuzla who were looking for the remains of Muslim victims."
See, I wonder if when the remains were officially found the press was quoting some Muslim claiming they were "believed to be Bosniak" or something like that.
When the dead turn out to be ethnic Serbs the mainstream media goes silent and doesn't do any corrective updates.
There's been many times when the bodies they find turn out to be ethnic Serbs, and unlike for the Muslims the Serbs have many women dead in the massacres. The Muslims were most all army/combatants.
Notice also how it was a holy day celebration and the Muslims attacked. Just like in early 1993, they had a raid and massacre on Serbian Orthodox Christmas. The Serbs should have taken note on the start and been extra alert and prepared on those days.
Also 3000 killed, as the RS public broadcaster likes to cite, doesn't match with the Bosnian Serb army's own statistics. According to their own stats, 3000 serbs (including military deaths) were killed in ALL of Western Bosnia, not in the "Serbian" village of Bratunac
Check up ur facts you post your lies, Bratunac is in EASTERN Bosnia. Pathological liar is what you are.
Pointing out that 3000 dying around the Srebrenica region doesn't match with VRS's own statistics isn't somehow "self hating". On the other hand, being scared to look at the truth because you think finding something bad will be unpatriotic is simply cowardice.
Once again Another lie, VRS statistics clearly show that more than 3000 serb civilians were killed in and around Srebrenica including the Bratunac. By the way you tried to fool people by saying that Bratunac is in western bosnia so that these statistics would suit your lie. Unfortunately there are people that know that Bratunac is in eastern bosnia so your lie didnt work out this time.
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