"Al-Qaeda offshoot" takes control of Iraqi town

How many $ trillions spent and how many deaths has the West caused in order to bring "freedom and Democracy" in Iraq? I bet a lot of Iraqis would wish to turn back the clock to the era before the West came to introduce 'democracy' in their country.Look at Libya. Was it as appalling when M. Gadaffi ran it as it's now? What about Syria.Was Syria anything like as violent before the West introduced Al Qaeda in their country?Every day is living proof that the US is incapable of doing anything other than "f..k up" other countries.

I bet this lot make Saddam Hussein look like an easy going liberal.

What an utter messed up disaster Bush and his crony Blair unleashed on the people of Iraq.

Sure, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to a time when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them. Why should they love that? Well, to please Leonidas in his/her desire to just bash America... :)
(icj1, 12 June 2014 01:45)

Bashing America? You read too many US-democracy room comics.The facts speak for themselves.More than 1 million Iraqis dead and 7 million displaced and the whole country totally destroyed-some democracy here.Saddam was a tool for the US against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's and we all know of course that 'al-qaida' is a construct wholly made in Langley,Virginia.Nevertheless,Iraq was a prosperous and highly developed society under Saddam. Better educated than most people in the world and having had a better medical service for the general public than you find today in many countries.
Yes he was a "dictator", but not any different than the Latin American dictators or the fascist Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Barhain the US has been supporting .

This was exactly what the US intended. They overthrow all elected leaders in that region, help the Muslim Brotherhood take hold and now nobody is safe. Like him or hate him Saddam was a firm leader and the country functioned very well. Same in Syria until the US got involved and supported the Islamists.
The US have a lot of blood on their hands and should their leaders should face charges at the Hague, but of course we all know that will never happen.

icj, why do you respond with such rubbish? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Iraq was the most progressive country in that region before the Americans decided to bomb it into the stoneage. Saddam was a firm leader which means that he did not tolerate terrorists and if he was still there the country would continue to progress and it's people would continue to receive good education and a nice life.
Do you have any idea what Iraq was like before the Yanks invaded? Women went to universities and people were living decent lives. What do you think has been going on since the first Iraq war? Poverty, Islamic extremism and too many lives lost.
Maybe you should educate yourself on how Iraq functioned. Yes, Saddam did rule with a firm hand but he had to. Look at the mess now. Some countries need firm leaders in order to progress enough to one day be able to choose well, if that is possible at all. Just take a look at America, the land of the eiher poor or rich with middle ground disappearing.

Now that the US democracy exports are discredited again I believe that they will need assistance from everybody who can do something in this vital region. Such are quite a few powers – S. Arabia , Israel , Turkey , Iran and Russia. Jews cannot afford even to move a finger. So we have 4 other states but the Americans has managed to spoil relations with 3 of them. I guess even if Kurds are engaged it won’t be enough. They already have enough problems in all 4 countries that they live in. Besides Kurds especially those in Turkey still have big Russian influence. So I think the stakes will be made on Iran and the Saudittes. The last ones have very big tense with Qatar as the main sponsor of the Levantists. Sounds strange but because Allewites stick to the Shias Assad may become an American ally. Anyway the Americans can no longer rule the chaos they have arranged here or elsewhere.

The Kurds are the only ones profiting from all this. They are getting a more independent area and are able to steal Iraq's oil and sell it to Turkey. The same Turkey which is sponsoring and funneling most of the terrorists into northern Syria and Iraq.

This whole operation may be cover to allow the terrorist groups to get their hands on Iraqi army weapons and use them against Syria.
Syria's army has been very hearty and strong despite years and over 100,000 militants funded by Saudi Arabia, U.S., Qatar, Turkey, Britain, etc. doing their best to destroy Syria and its government.

How many $ trillions spent and how many deaths has the West caused in order to bring "freedom and Democracy" in Iraq? I bet a lot of Iraqis would wish to turn back the clock to the era before the West came to introduce 'democracy' in their country.Look at Libya. Was it as appalling when M. Gadaffi ran it as it's now? What about Syria.Was Syria anything like as violent before the West introduced Al Qaeda in their country?Every day is living proof that the US is incapable of doing anything other than "f..k up" other countries.
(Leonidas, 11 June 2014 16:02)

Sure, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to a time when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them. Why should they love that? Well, to please Leonidas in his/her desire to just bash America... :)

Yes he was a "dictator", but not any different than the Latin American dictators or the fascist Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Barhain the US has been supporting .
(Leonidas, 12 June 2014 11:20)

Indeed, we are agreeing that, as I said, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to the time of that "dictator" when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them.

This was exactly what the US intended. They overthrow all elected leaders in that region, help the Muslim Brotherhood take hold and now nobody is safe. Like him or hate him Saddam was a firm leader and the country functioned very well.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

I guess you're saying that Sadam was also an elected leader. Also, I'm not sure what the definition of a "firm leader" is and how Sadam fit that definition. Not to mention that it's the first time I hear that a country where people were tortured and killed in the thousands is defined as a very well functioning country.
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Same in Syria until the US got involved and supported the Islamists.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

Yeah, sure, the US is to blame for the war in Syria, too.... Probably it also was the US which ordered the Syrian police to torture and kill even children and fueling the unrest.
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The US have a lot of blood on their hands and should their leaders should face charges at the Hague, but of course we all know that will never happen.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

You are correct dear... Fantasies not always become a reality, especially when they are very wild :)

The thing is that the easiest way out for a country is to blame others for its misfortunes. But by doing that, that country never improves because the argument goes that that country is perfect - it's the fault of others. As Iranians say "if you stumble on a stone, it must be the work of the Brits" !

(Peggy, 13 June 2014 13:27)

I am not sure the 100,000 victims who were buried in mass graves, nor the Kuwaitis for that matter, would completely agree with your assessment of Saddam. But then again, the dead don't talk and nobody has asked the Kuwaitis lately.

Personally, I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq, but then again, no one asked my opinion.

This whole operation may be cover to allow the terrorist groups to get their hands on Iraqi army weapons and use them against Syria.
Syria's army has been very hearty and strong despite years and over 100,000 militants funded by Saudi Arabia, U.S., Qatar, Turkey, Britain, etc. doing their best to destroy Syria and its government.
(ida, 15 June 2014 03:12)
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You're exactly right. US has been funding Al-Qaeda all along. Boko Haram is funded by the US as are others and they are all meant to destabilize that region and oust the governments and take control. They failed in Egypt and Syria so far but they haven't given up.

How many $ trillions spent and how many deaths has the West caused in order to bring "freedom and Democracy" in Iraq? I bet a lot of Iraqis would wish to turn back the clock to the era before the West came to introduce 'democracy' in their country.Look at Libya. Was it as appalling when M. Gadaffi ran it as it's now? What about Syria.Was Syria anything like as violent before the West introduced Al Qaeda in their country?Every day is living proof that the US is incapable of doing anything other than "f..k up" other countries.
(Leonidas, 11 June 2014 16:02)

Sure, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to a time when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them. Why should they love that? Well, to please Leonidas in his/her desire to just bash America... :)

Yes he was a "dictator", but not any different than the Latin American dictators or the fascist Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Barhain the US has been supporting .
(Leonidas, 12 June 2014 11:20)

Indeed, we are agreeing that, as I said, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to the time of that "dictator" when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them.

This was exactly what the US intended. They overthrow all elected leaders in that region, help the Muslim Brotherhood take hold and now nobody is safe. Like him or hate him Saddam was a firm leader and the country functioned very well.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

I guess you're saying that Sadam was also an elected leader. Also, I'm not sure what the definition of a "firm leader" is and how Sadam fit that definition. Not to mention that it's the first time I hear that a country where people were tortured and killed in the thousands is defined as a very well functioning country.
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Same in Syria until the US got involved and supported the Islamists.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

Yeah, sure, the US is to blame for the war in Syria, too.... Probably it also was the US which ordered the Syrian police to torture and kill even children and fueling the unrest.
----------

The US have a lot of blood on their hands and should their leaders should face charges at the Hague, but of course we all know that will never happen.
(Peggy, 12 June 2014 03:56)

You are correct dear... Fantasies not always become a reality, especially when they are very wild :)

The thing is that the easiest way out for a country is to blame others for its misfortunes. But by doing that, that country never improves because the argument goes that that country is perfect - it's the fault of others. As Iranians say "if you stumble on a stone, it must be the work of the Brits" !

(Peggy, 13 June 2014 13:27)

I am not sure the 100,000 victims who were buried in mass graves, nor the Kuwaitis for that matter, would completely agree with your assessment of Saddam. But then again, the dead don't talk and nobody has asked the Kuwaitis lately.

Personally, I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq, but then again, no one asked my opinion.

How many $ trillions spent and how many deaths has the West caused in order to bring "freedom and Democracy" in Iraq? I bet a lot of Iraqis would wish to turn back the clock to the era before the West came to introduce 'democracy' in their country.Look at Libya. Was it as appalling when M. Gadaffi ran it as it's now? What about Syria.Was Syria anything like as violent before the West introduced Al Qaeda in their country?Every day is living proof that the US is incapable of doing anything other than "f..k up" other countries.

I bet this lot make Saddam Hussein look like an easy going liberal.

What an utter messed up disaster Bush and his crony Blair unleashed on the people of Iraq.

This was exactly what the US intended. They overthrow all elected leaders in that region, help the Muslim Brotherhood take hold and now nobody is safe. Like him or hate him Saddam was a firm leader and the country functioned very well. Same in Syria until the US got involved and supported the Islamists.
The US have a lot of blood on their hands and should their leaders should face charges at the Hague, but of course we all know that will never happen.

Sure, the majority of the Iraqis would love to go back to a time when a minority ruled, tortured and killed them. Why should they love that? Well, to please Leonidas in his/her desire to just bash America... :)
(icj1, 12 June 2014 01:45)

Bashing America? You read too many US-democracy room comics.The facts speak for themselves.More than 1 million Iraqis dead and 7 million displaced and the whole country totally destroyed-some democracy here.Saddam was a tool for the US against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's and we all know of course that 'al-qaida' is a construct wholly made in Langley,Virginia.Nevertheless,Iraq was a prosperous and highly developed society under Saddam. Better educated than most people in the world and having had a better medical service for the general public than you find today in many countries.
Yes he was a "dictator", but not any different than the Latin American dictators or the fascist Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Barhain the US has been supporting .

Now that the US democracy exports are discredited again I believe that they will need assistance from everybody who can do something in this vital region. Such are quite a few powers – S. Arabia , Israel , Turkey , Iran and Russia. Jews cannot afford even to move a finger. So we have 4 other states but the Americans has managed to spoil relations with 3 of them. I guess even if Kurds are engaged it won’t be enough. They already have enough problems in all 4 countries that they live in. Besides Kurds especially those in Turkey still have big Russian influence. So I think the stakes will be made on Iran and the Saudittes. The last ones have very big tense with Qatar as the main sponsor of the Levantists. Sounds strange but because Allewites stick to the Shias Assad may become an American ally. Anyway the Americans can no longer rule the chaos they have arranged here or elsewhere.

icj, why do you respond with such rubbish? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Iraq was the most progressive country in that region before the Americans decided to bomb it into the stoneage. Saddam was a firm leader which means that he did not tolerate terrorists and if he was still there the country would continue to progress and it's people would continue to receive good education and a nice life.
Do you have any idea what Iraq was like before the Yanks invaded? Women went to universities and people were living decent lives. What do you think has been going on since the first Iraq war? Poverty, Islamic extremism and too many lives lost.
Maybe you should educate yourself on how Iraq functioned. Yes, Saddam did rule with a firm hand but he had to. Look at the mess now. Some countries need firm leaders in order to progress enough to one day be able to choose well, if that is possible at all. Just take a look at America, the land of the eiher poor or rich with middle ground disappearing.

The Kurds are the only ones profiting from all this. They are getting a more independent area and are able to steal Iraq's oil and sell it to Turkey. The same Turkey which is sponsoring and funneling most of the terrorists into northern Syria and Iraq.

This whole operation may be cover to allow the terrorist groups to get their hands on Iraqi army weapons and use them against Syria.
Syria's army has been very hearty and strong despite years and over 100,000 militants funded by Saudi Arabia, U.S., Qatar, Turkey, Britain, etc. doing their best to destroy Syria and its government.

This whole operation may be cover to allow the terrorist groups to get their hands on Iraqi army weapons and use them against Syria.
Syria's army has been very hearty and strong despite years and over 100,000 militants funded by Saudi Arabia, U.S., Qatar, Turkey, Britain, etc. doing their best to destroy Syria and its government.
(ida, 15 June 2014 03:12)
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You're exactly right. US has been funding Al-Qaeda all along. Boko Haram is funded by the US as are others and they are all meant to destabilize that region and oust the governments and take control. They failed in Egypt and Syria so far but they haven't given up.