Response to NATO buildup will be "political and military"

Nato = New Nazi's!

T-bone

“NATO is a defensive organisation and, unlike Russia, not an offensive one.”

I love you babe but how can you remain naïve for so long ? Maybe here in Russia we have the Ministry of Defense and Offence like the Lilliputs ? Or maybe you can tell what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied ? Was it Crimea or Ossetia or any other place ? I am eager to know. As well as the list of the states NATO managed to defend lately was it Serbia or Iraq or Georgia or Afghanistan or Libya or Yemen or Somalia or Lebanon or S.Sudan ect. ? NATO is an impotent Sonderkommand able to fire at 200 km range.

@T;
'NATO hasn't invaded anywhere since its foundation in 1949.'
Let's not be naive, or insult people's intelligence. After spending months bombarding Serbia's infrastructure in the worst aggression since 1945, Serbia was forced to sign the Kumanovo agreement at the point of a gun. NATO forces then poured into Kosovo, a province of Serbia, as the Serbian army withdrew in good order and virtually intact. So much for NATO's much vaunted firepower. I repeat Kosovo was, and some would say still is, a province of the Republic of Serbia. Therefore, semantics aside, NATO invaded a sovereign country after using overwhelming force against that country.

Moscow is paranoid about NATO? Does Putin seriously believe NATO will invade Russia? NATO hasn't invaded anywhere since its foundation in 1949 (No, not even Serbia despite having dropped bombs on its soil, but that's an other story).
NATO is a defensive organisation and, unlike Russia, not an offensive one.
Politically, the organization sought better relations with former Warsaw Pact countries, several of which joined the alliance in 1999 and 2004.

Again you're missing the point. NATO's aggression against the Republic of Serbia including Kosovo, a constituent part of that sovereign state, was not sanctioned by the SC. You are being disingenuous. As you very well know the Russians, at the time led by that drunken buffoon Yeltsin, sent an envoy to Belgrade effectively informing Milosevic that the game was up. NATO attacked and effectively invaded the constituent part an independent nation contrary to international law. What transpired later is another matter. Incidentally, we now see that a war criminal has been chosen to run Kosovo. Great. The 'West' should be real proud.

Well "Rote", or should we call you 'RED' (an appropriate name for a Putinphile) and since you so kindly ask;"..what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied" I will give you a deserved answer.
During and after WWII the The USSR occupied, destroyed and attacked and/or illegally annexed; The Baltic States, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria,Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Korea, Manchuria, Northern Iran and even Austria (till 1955).
Recently it invaded Afghanistan, Georgia, God knows where else, and now Ukraine. Yes, you can twist and mangle the facts but Russia is the primary reason for the current unfortunate situation in the Ukraine, (not NATO).

NATO did not invade Iraq, this was an unilateral move by the USA with the help of Britain and a few others. Interference in Libya, again, was not sanctioned by NATO.Aid offered to Somalia was not by NATO but by the African Union and NATO had no involvement in Yemen or in Lebanon as far as the record shows. NATO have been active in Afghanistan but only to clear up the mess created by 1st the Russians and 2nd by Bush's idea of getting 'even' with the Taliban.
Since the creation of NATO the world has been more peaceful than anytime before.
Since Putin came to power Russia has gone backwards economically, socially (human rights)and morally. It has lost the respect and trust of the international community and this will remain as long Putin remains in power.

" Serbia was forced to sign the Kumanovo agreement at the point of a gun. NATO forces then poured into Kosovo, a province of Serbia, as the Serbian army withdrew in good order and virtually intact. So much for NATO's much vaunted firepower."

They left largely intact because they were allowed to leave largely intact. Otherwise it would have been another Highway of Death. It was part of the "forced to sign" agreement.

@Huh??
'They left largely intact because they were allowed to leave largely intact.'
Given the tag you use I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you're wide of the mark, and missing the point.
NATO accuracy left much to be desired, given that they were up against an army much inferior to their own in numbers and technology. In fact their military targeting was so poor, that they were forced to resort to terror bombing of civilian traffic, and infrastructure such as power stations, hospitals, residential areas, and schools.
NATO failed to degrade military targets throughout Serbia not just in Kosovo. The point I was making was that NATO effectively invaded Serbia by taking control of Kosovo, a province of Serbia.

"Maybe here in Russia we have the Ministry of Defense and Offence like the Lilliputs ? Or maybe you can tell what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied ?"

You mean besides Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Poland?

NATO invaded a sovereign country after using overwhelming force against that country.
(PEN, 10 June 2014 13:10)
With the full blessing of the UNSC (including Russia) they entered into the UN protectorate of Kosovo, where they remain today under UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from any military action from Serbia! NATO only entered that portion severed away from Serbia's control by the UNSC, it has not invaded the sovereign portion of Serbia.

Rote, I suggest you read a few books. Two current and balanced ones are "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs and "The Second World War" by Anthony Beevor.

"The point I was making was that NATO effectively invaded Serbia by taking control of Kosovo, a province of Serbia."

And by the definition of invasion, which I posted, you are correct to call it an invasion.

" Bonnie it’s not the full list of the countries we set free. I can teach you something but I refuse to teach you everything ! There must be something that you already know. Anyway if I find pills against idiotism I’ll let you know.
(rote, 11 June 2014 07:44) "

BRRRR - I am so sorry Mr. Rote, but that is the incorrect answer. The correct answer is that Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were all occupied or invaded by the Soviet Union while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect (you know the agreement between Hitler and Stalin) and before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). But thank you for playing and feel free to take any of our many consolation prizes.

RE: "With the full blessing of the UNSC (including Russia) they entered into the UN protectorate of Kosovo, where they remain today under UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from any military action from Serbia! NATO only entered that portion severed away from Serbia's control by the UNSC, it has not invaded the sovereign portion of Serbia."


You must be dumber than you look. You don't think Serbia agreed to this "PEACEKEEPING" force that subsequently BOMBED their entire country / infrastructure for 78 days had anything to do with this "agreement" or the THREAT of a FULL SCALE ground invasion had ANYTHING to do with this "BLESSING" Serbia gave? Russia told Serbia right to its face, if you don't accept, Serbia will be COMPLETELY invaded, not just in its Kosovo province. Russia was not in a position at the time to offer the necessary help that it could in todays world.

I'm sure you would also "agree" to give me all of your money, possessions, house, etc... if i put a loaded GUN to your head or threaten to wipe out your family. That is essentially what NATO did to Serbia. Serbia was raped.

Glad those days are over however. Now that Russia has reasserted itself as a... well SUPERPOWER again, the US and its allies seem to be on a losing streak. How longs it been so far? 5 years?.... Here's to the next 30 :)

You deserve every one... "friend".

in·va·sion /inˈvāZHən/ noun

noun: invasion; plural noun: invasions

an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.

(Huh??, 10 June 2014 14:45)

NATO’s cammander, Wesly Clarke, wanted a parade in New York after Serbia agreed to leave Kosovo, but William Cohen US Defence Sec said no after finding out that most of what Clake told him about giving the Serbian army a devistating blow was absolute BS. When Cohen saw the numbers of troops and amount of equipment leaving Kosovo he was stageered and shocked that he even contemplated sending in ground troops.
The jurnos embeded in NATO units reported that all they saw was a couple of old broken down tanks in the fields and a few transport vehicles damaged. Cohen then terminated Clarke’s postion as NATO commander 3 months before Cleake was due to finish up.
So when PEN states so much for NATO’s firepower that is true.

Rote, I suggest you read a few books. Two current and balanced ones are "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs and "The Second World War" by Anthony Beevor.
(Huh??, 10 June 2014 13:02)

I suggest yall read the book of Zechariah and the book of Daniel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftaAHzEOPug

You mean besides Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Poland?
(Huh???, 10 June 2014 12:20)

• You are utmost ignorant ! Otherwise you would know that all the countries you mentioned were granted independence by the Russian Bolsheviks. Moreover none of them but Poland had ever had states of their own. Huh !

T-bone

„During and after WWII the The USSR occupied, destroyed and attacked and/or illegally annexed; The Baltic States, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Korea, Manchuria, Northern Iran and even Austria (till 1955). Recently it invaded Afghanistan, Georgia, God knows where else, and now Ukraine.“

• Bonnie it’s not the full list of the countries we set free. I can teach you something but I refuse to teach you everything ! There must be something that you already know. Anyway if I find pills against idiotism I’ll let you know.

T-bone

«The correct answer is that Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were all occupied or invaded by the Soviet Union while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was »

The correct answer for people like you should be DRANG NAKH OSTEN by Friedrich Barbarossa. By the way have you ever thought of how Barbarossa is translated ?

All those countries were granted freedom in 1917-18. 4 out of 5 had never knew what independence was. Only Poland had had it’s own state. Later we set them free once again during WW2 and they lived not bad before CIA organized the new impotent and depending states. I can tell you 5 separate stories but it will take time and I am not sure I can reach you. Because people like you are primitive programmed to hear only definite things. Russia is bad , America is good , freedom is good , Stalin is bad , Serbs are bad but their enemies are good.

What do you know about the Molotov Pact ? I am sure you know almost nothing. It was a good for the moment pact to grant us several months to prepare for the war. What do you know about the D-Day they celebrated last week ? I am sure you know almost slogans. For instance do you know that May Normandy landing and July attempt against Hitler were parts of the same Overlord Operation ? The USA intended to land and then to kill Hitler then unite their forces against USSR. But Hitler survived and they asked us to help them with an attack. Almost same things happened during Warsaw riot.

"Later we set them free once again during WW2 and they lived not bad before CIA organized the new impotent and depending states" - The funny thing is that you poise to be a know-all - I live in one of the Baltic states - in 1919 the ruSSian commies' shit was beaten out , and only that made them to give up the Baltic region for good ,as it was written in peace treaties, and in 1988 the historical justice finally prevailed - so nth about good ruSsian daddy as you depict here. another thing, being worked in KiM, I tell you that ruSsian colonists (your "gift" from the 2nd occuation) in our states are exactly like albanian colonists in KiM - take it or leave it (and that goes for those albo bloggers as well) none of the groups has legitimate claim to lands where they live now - and at least the Baltic ruSSians go banana when you tell them because the truth hurts. i know that the hords of albos would come and try to convinve me that they were like we in the Baltics in SU and that we should understrand them - no I never understand/approve people who creep into neighbours premise( and of course overbreed on top of everythig) and claim it as theirs. we had a couple of Serb interpreters who by the way really disliked ruSSians, guess why...

@Huh??

My compliments sir. Now let us move on. Next subject?

Moscow is paranoid about NATO? Does Putin seriously believe NATO will invade Russia? NATO hasn't invaded anywhere since its foundation in 1949 (No, not even Serbia despite having dropped bombs on its soil, but that's an other story).
NATO is a defensive organisation and, unlike Russia, not an offensive one.
Politically, the organization sought better relations with former Warsaw Pact countries, several of which joined the alliance in 1999 and 2004.

T-bone

“NATO is a defensive organisation and, unlike Russia, not an offensive one.”

I love you babe but how can you remain naïve for so long ? Maybe here in Russia we have the Ministry of Defense and Offence like the Lilliputs ? Or maybe you can tell what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied ? Was it Crimea or Ossetia or any other place ? I am eager to know. As well as the list of the states NATO managed to defend lately was it Serbia or Iraq or Georgia or Afghanistan or Libya or Yemen or Somalia or Lebanon or S.Sudan ect. ? NATO is an impotent Sonderkommand able to fire at 200 km range.

Well "Rote", or should we call you 'RED' (an appropriate name for a Putinphile) and since you so kindly ask;"..what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied" I will give you a deserved answer.
During and after WWII the The USSR occupied, destroyed and attacked and/or illegally annexed; The Baltic States, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria,Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Korea, Manchuria, Northern Iran and even Austria (till 1955).
Recently it invaded Afghanistan, Georgia, God knows where else, and now Ukraine. Yes, you can twist and mangle the facts but Russia is the primary reason for the current unfortunate situation in the Ukraine, (not NATO).

NATO did not invade Iraq, this was an unilateral move by the USA with the help of Britain and a few others. Interference in Libya, again, was not sanctioned by NATO.Aid offered to Somalia was not by NATO but by the African Union and NATO had no involvement in Yemen or in Lebanon as far as the record shows. NATO have been active in Afghanistan but only to clear up the mess created by 1st the Russians and 2nd by Bush's idea of getting 'even' with the Taliban.
Since the creation of NATO the world has been more peaceful than anytime before.
Since Putin came to power Russia has gone backwards economically, socially (human rights)and morally. It has lost the respect and trust of the international community and this will remain as long Putin remains in power.

@T;
'NATO hasn't invaded anywhere since its foundation in 1949.'
Let's not be naive, or insult people's intelligence. After spending months bombarding Serbia's infrastructure in the worst aggression since 1945, Serbia was forced to sign the Kumanovo agreement at the point of a gun. NATO forces then poured into Kosovo, a province of Serbia, as the Serbian army withdrew in good order and virtually intact. So much for NATO's much vaunted firepower. I repeat Kosovo was, and some would say still is, a province of the Republic of Serbia. Therefore, semantics aside, NATO invaded a sovereign country after using overwhelming force against that country.

NATO invaded a sovereign country after using overwhelming force against that country.
(PEN, 10 June 2014 13:10)
With the full blessing of the UNSC (including Russia) they entered into the UN protectorate of Kosovo, where they remain today under UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from any military action from Serbia! NATO only entered that portion severed away from Serbia's control by the UNSC, it has not invaded the sovereign portion of Serbia.

Nato = New Nazi's!

"Maybe here in Russia we have the Ministry of Defense and Offence like the Lilliputs ? Or maybe you can tell what countries we have attacked or destroyed or occupied ?"

You mean besides Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Poland?

" Serbia was forced to sign the Kumanovo agreement at the point of a gun. NATO forces then poured into Kosovo, a province of Serbia, as the Serbian army withdrew in good order and virtually intact. So much for NATO's much vaunted firepower."

They left largely intact because they were allowed to leave largely intact. Otherwise it would have been another Highway of Death. It was part of the "forced to sign" agreement.

Rote, I suggest you read a few books. Two current and balanced ones are "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs and "The Second World War" by Anthony Beevor.

@Huh??
'They left largely intact because they were allowed to leave largely intact.'
Given the tag you use I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you're wide of the mark, and missing the point.
NATO accuracy left much to be desired, given that they were up against an army much inferior to their own in numbers and technology. In fact their military targeting was so poor, that they were forced to resort to terror bombing of civilian traffic, and infrastructure such as power stations, hospitals, residential areas, and schools.
NATO failed to degrade military targets throughout Serbia not just in Kosovo. The point I was making was that NATO effectively invaded Serbia by taking control of Kosovo, a province of Serbia.

Again you're missing the point. NATO's aggression against the Republic of Serbia including Kosovo, a constituent part of that sovereign state, was not sanctioned by the SC. You are being disingenuous. As you very well know the Russians, at the time led by that drunken buffoon Yeltsin, sent an envoy to Belgrade effectively informing Milosevic that the game was up. NATO attacked and effectively invaded the constituent part an independent nation contrary to international law. What transpired later is another matter. Incidentally, we now see that a war criminal has been chosen to run Kosovo. Great. The 'West' should be real proud.

T-bone

«The correct answer is that Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were all occupied or invaded by the Soviet Union while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was »

The correct answer for people like you should be DRANG NAKH OSTEN by Friedrich Barbarossa. By the way have you ever thought of how Barbarossa is translated ?

All those countries were granted freedom in 1917-18. 4 out of 5 had never knew what independence was. Only Poland had had it’s own state. Later we set them free once again during WW2 and they lived not bad before CIA organized the new impotent and depending states. I can tell you 5 separate stories but it will take time and I am not sure I can reach you. Because people like you are primitive programmed to hear only definite things. Russia is bad , America is good , freedom is good , Stalin is bad , Serbs are bad but their enemies are good.

What do you know about the Molotov Pact ? I am sure you know almost nothing. It was a good for the moment pact to grant us several months to prepare for the war. What do you know about the D-Day they celebrated last week ? I am sure you know almost slogans. For instance do you know that May Normandy landing and July attempt against Hitler were parts of the same Overlord Operation ? The USA intended to land and then to kill Hitler then unite their forces against USSR. But Hitler survived and they asked us to help them with an attack. Almost same things happened during Warsaw riot.

in·va·sion /inˈvāZHən/ noun

noun: invasion; plural noun: invasions

an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.

You mean besides Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Poland?
(Huh???, 10 June 2014 12:20)

• You are utmost ignorant ! Otherwise you would know that all the countries you mentioned were granted independence by the Russian Bolsheviks. Moreover none of them but Poland had ever had states of their own. Huh !

T-bone

„During and after WWII the The USSR occupied, destroyed and attacked and/or illegally annexed; The Baltic States, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Korea, Manchuria, Northern Iran and even Austria (till 1955). Recently it invaded Afghanistan, Georgia, God knows where else, and now Ukraine.“

• Bonnie it’s not the full list of the countries we set free. I can teach you something but I refuse to teach you everything ! There must be something that you already know. Anyway if I find pills against idiotism I’ll let you know.

(Huh??, 10 June 2014 14:45)

NATO’s cammander, Wesly Clarke, wanted a parade in New York after Serbia agreed to leave Kosovo, but William Cohen US Defence Sec said no after finding out that most of what Clake told him about giving the Serbian army a devistating blow was absolute BS. When Cohen saw the numbers of troops and amount of equipment leaving Kosovo he was stageered and shocked that he even contemplated sending in ground troops.
The jurnos embeded in NATO units reported that all they saw was a couple of old broken down tanks in the fields and a few transport vehicles damaged. Cohen then terminated Clarke’s postion as NATO commander 3 months before Cleake was due to finish up.
So when PEN states so much for NATO’s firepower that is true.

"Later we set them free once again during WW2 and they lived not bad before CIA organized the new impotent and depending states" - The funny thing is that you poise to be a know-all - I live in one of the Baltic states - in 1919 the ruSSian commies' shit was beaten out , and only that made them to give up the Baltic region for good ,as it was written in peace treaties, and in 1988 the historical justice finally prevailed - so nth about good ruSsian daddy as you depict here. another thing, being worked in KiM, I tell you that ruSsian colonists (your "gift" from the 2nd occuation) in our states are exactly like albanian colonists in KiM - take it or leave it (and that goes for those albo bloggers as well) none of the groups has legitimate claim to lands where they live now - and at least the Baltic ruSSians go banana when you tell them because the truth hurts. i know that the hords of albos would come and try to convinve me that they were like we in the Baltics in SU and that we should understrand them - no I never understand/approve people who creep into neighbours premise( and of course overbreed on top of everythig) and claim it as theirs. we had a couple of Serb interpreters who by the way really disliked ruSSians, guess why...

@Huh??

My compliments sir. Now let us move on. Next subject?

" Bonnie it’s not the full list of the countries we set free. I can teach you something but I refuse to teach you everything ! There must be something that you already know. Anyway if I find pills against idiotism I’ll let you know.
(rote, 11 June 2014 07:44) "

BRRRR - I am so sorry Mr. Rote, but that is the incorrect answer. The correct answer is that Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were all occupied or invaded by the Soviet Union while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect (you know the agreement between Hitler and Stalin) and before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). But thank you for playing and feel free to take any of our many consolation prizes.

Rote, I suggest you read a few books. Two current and balanced ones are "Six Months in 1945" by Michael Dobbs and "The Second World War" by Anthony Beevor.
(Huh??, 10 June 2014 13:02)

I suggest yall read the book of Zechariah and the book of Daniel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftaAHzEOPug

RE: "With the full blessing of the UNSC (including Russia) they entered into the UN protectorate of Kosovo, where they remain today under UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from any military action from Serbia! NATO only entered that portion severed away from Serbia's control by the UNSC, it has not invaded the sovereign portion of Serbia."


You must be dumber than you look. You don't think Serbia agreed to this "PEACEKEEPING" force that subsequently BOMBED their entire country / infrastructure for 78 days had anything to do with this "agreement" or the THREAT of a FULL SCALE ground invasion had ANYTHING to do with this "BLESSING" Serbia gave? Russia told Serbia right to its face, if you don't accept, Serbia will be COMPLETELY invaded, not just in its Kosovo province. Russia was not in a position at the time to offer the necessary help that it could in todays world.

I'm sure you would also "agree" to give me all of your money, possessions, house, etc... if i put a loaded GUN to your head or threaten to wipe out your family. That is essentially what NATO did to Serbia. Serbia was raped.

Glad those days are over however. Now that Russia has reasserted itself as a... well SUPERPOWER again, the US and its allies seem to be on a losing streak. How longs it been so far? 5 years?.... Here's to the next 30 :)

You deserve every one... "friend".

"The point I was making was that NATO effectively invaded Serbia by taking control of Kosovo, a province of Serbia."

And by the definition of invasion, which I posted, you are correct to call it an invasion.