NATO to treat Russia "more as adversary than partner"

Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner,” Vershbow said.

This clown is not ashamed at all of lying in a very public manner.It's not Russia who's trying to install missiles on Nato borders but the other way round.According to Helmut Schmidt(former German Chancellor)the West promised Russia back in 1989,there would be, in Scmidt's words, “no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east,” provided the Soviets agreed to the NATO membership of a unified Germany. Moscow would think about it, Gorbachev said, but added: “any extension of the zone of NATO is unacceptable.”

It seems Nato warmongers haven't realised that Russia is neither Serbia,Libya or Afganistan-though the latter has defeated Nato comprehensibly.Russia can inflict,if they choose to,immense damage to EU without even firing a shot.By cutting off energy supplies to EU countries they can inflict mass unemployment and economic suffering. Putin could also seize all foreign assets in Russia and rapidly complete the arrangements with China, India, Brazil, and South Africa to abandon the use of the US dollar in international settlements.The US dollar as world reserve currency is the source of American imperialism. The five countries that comprise the BRICS have half of the world’s population. They can conduct their economic affairs without the dollar.

Leonidas ,

“This clown is not ashamed at all of lying in a very public manner.”

The bad news is that “this clown” is the best of the clowns available. The rest are even worse .. Alexander was the least Russophobe Ambassador to Russia in this century. But I guess we should stop paying attention to persons and take the western elites as a hostile regiment. Inside there can be better people and worse ones. But we should not rely on it for in war time they all act like the militaries should do.

With Ashton’s statement EU went on mudding itself. But because the inevitable defeat of the regime is just a matter of time I think that it only means that the decision to sacrifice Ukraine is already taken. General Krutov appointed as the main hangman in Slaviansk demanded USD 5 Bln. and US passports for his family members.

All the officers were promised Polish or Lithuanian passports plus up to 10 000 Euro. It means that morally they are ready to the defeat. The prices jumped today after 3 helicopters were drown down. Another ne landed close to the hit one. They took the pistols and left there one killed pilot and one wounded. After that other pilots refused to fly so Kolomoisky had to raise the salaries.

As a result out of the USD 3,2 Bln. received today from IMF thy cannot afford paying Gazprom’s bills. I do not understand why Miller is so slow to put Europe on it’s knees. So I hope there’s something I do not know. Yet the result is quite predictable.

....According to Helmut Schmidt(former German Chancellor)the West promised Russia back in 1989, “no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east,”...

True,but NATO did extend not because they broke the promise,but because the former Warsaw conutries wanted to join NATO,otherwise they will be next in line after Ukraine.
If Poland,Estinonia,Lithuania,Latvia and othe estern countries wouldn't join NATO,Russia would have attack them using russian minorities as the pretext.


....Russia can inflict,if they choose to,immense damage to EU without even firing a shot.By cutting off energy supplies to EU countries they can inflict mass unemployment and economic suffering. . ...(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 16:09)

Who is keeping them away doing those things?
Is easy said than done.
I know a lot of asian greeks feel very attached to Russia,but Russia can not be a leader of the world.
USA has four things that attract people,Dollar as a common comodity,English as commerce language,the USA Army and Holliwood who make people think about American dream.
Until BRICS countries have those four things they can not replace USA."BRICKS Dream" Big lol.

Secondly,people have fresh memories how "happy" the life was under Russia empire.Ask Poles and Hungarians.
But since you greeks want Car Putin as your leader,just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.

I know a lot of asian greeks feel very attached to Russia.

Greeks feel attached to Russia through history and culture the same way that Albanians feel attached to Turkey.As Erdogan said Turks and Albanians are the same because share same history and religion.

just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.
(Mirel from Albania

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.As for Greeks looking to emigrate to Albania there is a fat chance they would rather choose to go to Timbuktu(if they're that desperate) than the former.

Erdogan can say whatever he wants for PR purposes but Albanians don't have much in common with the Turks. The Greeks and Turks share the same genes. They even look the same. No surprise there since they're neighbors.
(cry me a river, 3 May 2014 14:19)

You follow the Enverian script to the letter- modern Albanians are racially pure descendants of ancient ethnic groups -which of course are nothing more than extreme fantasies of Albanian nationalists.Your rejection of any historical and cultural connection between Albania and Turkey makes a mockery of history written by the Ottomans and also the presence of millions of Albanians in modern Turkey.

As fas as the Greeks are concerned there has been plenty of genetic studies which suggest modern Greeks are even biologically related to pre-Greek neolithic societies in the region (see Cavalli-Sforza's Gene's Peoples and Languages). This makes perfect sense given ancient Greeks didn't simply appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere. (not to mention modern Greek language and culture is clearly derived from earlier forms of Greek).While the idea of pure races are the fantasies of extreme nationalists there is a flow of history and archaeology.Nations and history are not a fiction.

I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.
(Mirel from Albania

Its always humerous to read someone writing on a subject they have no idea about. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary have all become part of the glorious EU since 2004. Now that is 10 years and they have gone backwards in most areas of endevour.
What you dont understand is that before 2008 the EU was pumping money into these economies and living standards did improve with the combined real estate boom of that time. In fact Romania was called the Economic Tiger of the Balkans.
If your prediction was to come true then the EU would have to pump money into Albania and Bulgaria for the next four decades – do you see Brussels doing that? I dont. The way Serbia is going it’s more likey your Albanians will try and beg for work in Serbia.
Mirel, its money that makes the world go around not wishes.

Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 4 May 2014 18:32)

The Albanian Einstein seems to confuse Greece with Cyprus.In fact the Cypriot government was given a $2.5 million loan by Russia before the bailout.Why should Russia continue to bailout an EU member?

I’m sure Moscow will lose a lot of sleep over NATO’s new position.
Question
How will NATO continue to deliver food and equipment to its troops in Afghanistan considering the only safe way is over Russian territory??????? Or even better what route do they propose to take towards the end of this year when they leave Afghanistan? Dig a tunnel and hope to come out in New York?

In reality, Leonidas' views do not represent those of the majority of the Greeks, rather a minority, actually I think they are so crazy that they represent only Leonidas' views. I know Greeks who are glad to be in NATO and the EU. The Greeks elected a government which is diligently doing what the EU told them to. So I would not pay much attention to Leonidas :).
(Reader, 3 May 2014 18:29)

Well ,it seems to me that you haven't got a clue of what's happening in Greece.The latest polls on the EU elections show the anti-austerity/anti-EU parties to have the upper hand but I don't pin my hopes on them because even if they get a majority they won't be allowed to govern(Berlusconi,Papandreeou).The current coalition government is indeed doing the EU bidding by selling the public assets to the highest bidder and destroying the social fabric of the country.

However, if I recall correctly wasn't Leonidas suppose to be protecting democracy & freedom, against the evil & aggressive east? The movies Xerxes & Persia, kinda resembles today's Putin & Russian aggression against her neighbors, and her annexation of regions that belong to sovereign county's? Leo, by your comments May I suggest a name change, for history's sake!
(Rocky, 5 May 2014 14:11)

No, you recall wrongly.Ancient Sparta had nothing to do with democracy.Furthermore,your comparison of Russia with Persia shows why the Albanian sheeple are still hundreds of years behind understanding contemporary politics.Identifying the Ukrainian Benderistas and the rest of the fascist thugs as some kind of democratic knights further re-enforces that view.
Considering the EU/USA financed the coup on Kiev and US/Nato's decision to place missiles on Ukraine's border with Russia, what did you expect Russia to do? Did you just expect her to roll over and get her stomach tickled? My money is with Putin taking the best bits of the country back under Russian persuasion and leaving the nazi trash and their debts for the west to sort out and my is going to cost the EU some very serious money.

Rote,
"This clown” might be the best of the clowns available, but I agree with you that they are all part of hostile regiment, and that personality doesn't matter.
Problem with the clowns is that they are never funny.
On birthday party they are always somehow sad and pathetic. In circus, they are annoying. And those going around giving all kinds of statements - just creepy.

(pss, 5 May 2014 20:58)

Yes there are other routes such as Pakistan, Iran or drilling through the earth and coming out in New York. Which do you think is better? Perhaps you might ask the reason why NATO avoids Pakistan. Russia is not the Soviet Union so it does not want Afghanistan. The only reason the west went into Afghanistan was for Caspian Sea oil and gas to bypass Russian territory. It has nothing to do with 9/11 at all. That was a convenient excuse. Even George W Bush was entertaining the Taliban at his Texas ranch in the late 1980s to try and convince them to allow a pipelines through Afghanistan.

Russia said to the US at the start not to go to Afghanistan because they were there for 10 years and left without achieving their objectives and ended bankrupting their country. How much plainer could that advice have been??? Moscow was frank about losing in Afghanistan, but not the US of Piss and Wind – they can win with freedom and democracy and rule of law LOL.

NATO is a spent force and only kept around because of the US, but that will end soon. How long do you think the US will continue to borrow to fight losing wars????? I hear NATO is in the Baltics just in case those pesky Russians decide to invade New Arizona LOL.

Why sanctions will never work on Russia? Simply because Asia has all the cash and they have no interest in western BS.

The b92 english forum is the only place in the world where Albanians get to mock Greeks for being poor, people with no self-respect, genetically close to the Turks and so on. Everywhere else in the world it's the other way round.

I have known from the start Russia can't be trusted. NATO and western leaders more or less fell asleep. They really thought Russia has changed. Russia today looks more like North Korea than Europe.

Leonidas,

Erdogan can say whatever he wants for PR purposes but Albanians don't have much in common with the Turks. The Greeks and Turks share the same genes. They even look the same. No surprise there since they're neighbors.

"But since you greeks want Car Putin as your leader,just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants."
(Mirel from Albania, 2 May 2014 17:37)

In reality, Leonidas' views do not represent those of the majority of the Greeks, rather a minority, actually I think they are so crazy that they represent only Leonidas' views. I know Greeks who are glad to be in NATO and the EU. The Greeks elected a government which is diligently doing what the EU told them to. So I would not pay much attention to Leonidas :).

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.
(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 21:25)

Sure, and go and join Russia... actually, pardon, I forgot that there is a small problem: Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The bad news is that “this clown” is the best of the clowns available. The rest are even worse .. Alexander was the least Russophobe Ambassador to Russia in this century. But I guess we should stop paying attention to persons and take the western elites as a hostile regiment. Inside there can be better people and worse ones. But we should not rely on it for in war time they all act like the militaries should do.

With Ashton’s statement EU went on mudding itself. But because the inevitable defeat of the regime is just a matter of time I think that it only means that the decision to sacrifice Ukraine is already taken. General Krutov appointed as the main hangman in Slaviansk demanded USD 5 Bln. and US passports for his family members.

All the officers were promised Polish or Lithuanian passports plus up to 10 000 Euro. It means that morally they are ready to the defeat. The prices jumped today after 3 helicopters were drown down. Another ne landed close to the hit one. They took the pistols and left there one killed pilot and one wounded. After that other pilots refused to fly so Kolomoisky had to raise the salaries.

As a result out of the USD 3,2 Bln. received today from IMF thy cannot afford paying Gazprom’s bills. I do not understand why Miller is so slow to put Europe on it’s knees.
(rote, 2 May 2014 17:21)

I didn't understand a thing from your rumbling above or what your point is, but I'm sure you're into something in your and Leonidas' fantasy world :)

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.
(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 21:25)

Hey Leo, sounds like the movie 300 has immersed you in a cloud of fantasies? However, if I recall correctly wasn't Leonidas suppose to be protecting democracy & freedom, against the evil & aggressive east? The movies Xerxes & Persia, kinda resembles today's Putin & Russian aggression against her neighbors, and her annexation of regions that belong to sovereign county's? Leo, by your comments May I suggest a name change, for history's sake!

"The current coalition government is indeed doing the EU bidding by selling the public assets to the highest bidder and destroying the social fabric of the country."
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 14:44)

Too bad for you that Greece is not geographically closer to Russia. Its army could have come and saved you from the hundreds of billion euros of EU tax payers :). You ruined the party for everybody else that is coming after you also, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, etc etc.

How will NATO continue to deliver food and equipment to its troops in Afghanistan considering the only safe way is over Russian territory??????? Or even better what route do they propose to take towards the end of this year when they leave Afghanistan? Dig a tunnel and hope to come out in New York?
(sj, 5 May 2014 09:48)
There are other routes in and out of Afghanistan but it is easier through Russia. But the best thing and hopefully the true thing that will happen is NATO will abandon Afghanistan and leave it for Russia to deal with. Russia wants NATO there to keep them busy so as not to influence the Muslim resistance within their boundaries.
But Russia is the only ones that can handle Afghanistan as they proved with their invasion during the peak of Russia's military years. What do you call that exit strategy they used? I think it is called leaving with your tail between your legs.

Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 4 May 2014 18:32)

The Albanian Einstein seems to confuse Greece with Cyprus.In fact the Cypriot government was given a $2.5 million loan by Russia before the bailout.Why should Russia continue to bailout an EU member?
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 14:50)


Because they are orthodox brothers and people like Leonidas fight for Russia every day and because according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash whereas the EU has run out of cash...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Considering the EU/USA financed the coup on Kiev
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

That can't be true, because the CE of B92 forums sj had already ruled before the coup that the EU/USA had collapsed and run out of cash. In addition, according always to the CE of B92 forums sj, Russia is the country with cash so the only conclusion is that Russia financed the coup in Kiev (always according to the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj).
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and US/Nato's decision to place missiles on Ukraine's border with Russia, what did you expect Russia to do? Did you just expect her to roll over and get her stomach tickled?
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

address it with the country where the missiles were placed (i.e. not Ukraine). What did Russia expect? Did it expect Ukraine to solve the missiles problem for Russia :) The lack of logical connections in your arguments is astonishing...
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My money is with Putin taking the best bits of the country back under Russian persuasion and leaving the nazi trash and their debts for the west to sort out and my is going to cost the EU some very serious money.
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

You are correct.... that's why Serbia is lucky not to be close to its Slavic "brother" :)

Russia said to the US at the start not to go to Afghanistan because they were there for 10 years and left without achieving their objectives and ended bankrupting their country. How much plainer could that advice have been??? Moscow was frank about losing in Afghanistan, but not the US of Piss and Wind – they can win with freedom and democracy and rule of law LOL.
(sj, 6 May 2014 02:26)

Oh, now everything makes sense... Thanks sj for giving us the secret background of what happened in 2001. Russia, as the biggest friend of US, gave to the US valuable advice, but the US did not pay attention to the advice of their Russian friends who only think about the US well-being day and night.

....According to Helmut Schmidt(former German Chancellor)the West promised Russia back in 1989, “no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east,”...

True,but NATO did extend not because they broke the promise,but because the former Warsaw conutries wanted to join NATO,otherwise they will be next in line after Ukraine.
If Poland,Estinonia,Lithuania,Latvia and othe estern countries wouldn't join NATO,Russia would have attack them using russian minorities as the pretext.


....Russia can inflict,if they choose to,immense damage to EU without even firing a shot.By cutting off energy supplies to EU countries they can inflict mass unemployment and economic suffering. . ...(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 16:09)

Who is keeping them away doing those things?
Is easy said than done.
I know a lot of asian greeks feel very attached to Russia,but Russia can not be a leader of the world.
USA has four things that attract people,Dollar as a common comodity,English as commerce language,the USA Army and Holliwood who make people think about American dream.
Until BRICS countries have those four things they can not replace USA."BRICKS Dream" Big lol.

Secondly,people have fresh memories how "happy" the life was under Russia empire.Ask Poles and Hungarians.
But since you greeks want Car Putin as your leader,just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.

Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner,” Vershbow said.

This clown is not ashamed at all of lying in a very public manner.It's not Russia who's trying to install missiles on Nato borders but the other way round.According to Helmut Schmidt(former German Chancellor)the West promised Russia back in 1989,there would be, in Scmidt's words, “no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east,” provided the Soviets agreed to the NATO membership of a unified Germany. Moscow would think about it, Gorbachev said, but added: “any extension of the zone of NATO is unacceptable.”

It seems Nato warmongers haven't realised that Russia is neither Serbia,Libya or Afganistan-though the latter has defeated Nato comprehensibly.Russia can inflict,if they choose to,immense damage to EU without even firing a shot.By cutting off energy supplies to EU countries they can inflict mass unemployment and economic suffering. Putin could also seize all foreign assets in Russia and rapidly complete the arrangements with China, India, Brazil, and South Africa to abandon the use of the US dollar in international settlements.The US dollar as world reserve currency is the source of American imperialism. The five countries that comprise the BRICS have half of the world’s population. They can conduct their economic affairs without the dollar.

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.
(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 21:25)

Sure, and go and join Russia... actually, pardon, I forgot that there is a small problem: Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The bad news is that “this clown” is the best of the clowns available. The rest are even worse .. Alexander was the least Russophobe Ambassador to Russia in this century. But I guess we should stop paying attention to persons and take the western elites as a hostile regiment. Inside there can be better people and worse ones. But we should not rely on it for in war time they all act like the militaries should do.

With Ashton’s statement EU went on mudding itself. But because the inevitable defeat of the regime is just a matter of time I think that it only means that the decision to sacrifice Ukraine is already taken. General Krutov appointed as the main hangman in Slaviansk demanded USD 5 Bln. and US passports for his family members.

All the officers were promised Polish or Lithuanian passports plus up to 10 000 Euro. It means that morally they are ready to the defeat. The prices jumped today after 3 helicopters were drown down. Another ne landed close to the hit one. They took the pistols and left there one killed pilot and one wounded. After that other pilots refused to fly so Kolomoisky had to raise the salaries.

As a result out of the USD 3,2 Bln. received today from IMF thy cannot afford paying Gazprom’s bills. I do not understand why Miller is so slow to put Europe on it’s knees.
(rote, 2 May 2014 17:21)

I didn't understand a thing from your rumbling above or what your point is, but I'm sure you're into something in your and Leonidas' fantasy world :)

I know a lot of asian greeks feel very attached to Russia.

Greeks feel attached to Russia through history and culture the same way that Albanians feel attached to Turkey.As Erdogan said Turks and Albanians are the same because share same history and religion.

just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.
(Mirel from Albania

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.As for Greeks looking to emigrate to Albania there is a fat chance they would rather choose to go to Timbuktu(if they're that desperate) than the former.

"But since you greeks want Car Putin as your leader,just have a referendum and leave EU and joing Russia.I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants."
(Mirel from Albania, 2 May 2014 17:37)

In reality, Leonidas' views do not represent those of the majority of the Greeks, rather a minority, actually I think they are so crazy that they represent only Leonidas' views. I know Greeks who are glad to be in NATO and the EU. The Greeks elected a government which is diligently doing what the EU told them to. So I would not pay much attention to Leonidas :).

Leonidas,

Erdogan can say whatever he wants for PR purposes but Albanians don't have much in common with the Turks. The Greeks and Turks share the same genes. They even look the same. No surprise there since they're neighbors.

Leonidas ,

“This clown is not ashamed at all of lying in a very public manner.”

The bad news is that “this clown” is the best of the clowns available. The rest are even worse .. Alexander was the least Russophobe Ambassador to Russia in this century. But I guess we should stop paying attention to persons and take the western elites as a hostile regiment. Inside there can be better people and worse ones. But we should not rely on it for in war time they all act like the militaries should do.

With Ashton’s statement EU went on mudding itself. But because the inevitable defeat of the regime is just a matter of time I think that it only means that the decision to sacrifice Ukraine is already taken. General Krutov appointed as the main hangman in Slaviansk demanded USD 5 Bln. and US passports for his family members.

All the officers were promised Polish or Lithuanian passports plus up to 10 000 Euro. It means that morally they are ready to the defeat. The prices jumped today after 3 helicopters were drown down. Another ne landed close to the hit one. They took the pistols and left there one killed pilot and one wounded. After that other pilots refused to fly so Kolomoisky had to raise the salaries.

As a result out of the USD 3,2 Bln. received today from IMF thy cannot afford paying Gazprom’s bills. I do not understand why Miller is so slow to put Europe on it’s knees. So I hope there’s something I do not know. Yet the result is quite predictable.

I will personally jump at the opportunity of leaving the EU and Nato tomorrow had I had the chance.
(Leonidas, 2 May 2014 21:25)

Hey Leo, sounds like the movie 300 has immersed you in a cloud of fantasies? However, if I recall correctly wasn't Leonidas suppose to be protecting democracy & freedom, against the evil & aggressive east? The movies Xerxes & Persia, kinda resembles today's Putin & Russian aggression against her neighbors, and her annexation of regions that belong to sovereign county's? Leo, by your comments May I suggest a name change, for history's sake!

I have known from the start Russia can't be trusted. NATO and western leaders more or less fell asleep. They really thought Russia has changed. Russia today looks more like North Korea than Europe.

How will NATO continue to deliver food and equipment to its troops in Afghanistan considering the only safe way is over Russian territory??????? Or even better what route do they propose to take towards the end of this year when they leave Afghanistan? Dig a tunnel and hope to come out in New York?
(sj, 5 May 2014 09:48)
There are other routes in and out of Afghanistan but it is easier through Russia. But the best thing and hopefully the true thing that will happen is NATO will abandon Afghanistan and leave it for Russia to deal with. Russia wants NATO there to keep them busy so as not to influence the Muslim resistance within their boundaries.
But Russia is the only ones that can handle Afghanistan as they proved with their invasion during the peak of Russia's military years. What do you call that exit strategy they used? I think it is called leaving with your tail between your legs.

Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 4 May 2014 18:32)

The Albanian Einstein seems to confuse Greece with Cyprus.In fact the Cypriot government was given a $2.5 million loan by Russia before the bailout.Why should Russia continue to bailout an EU member?
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 14:50)


Because they are orthodox brothers and people like Leonidas fight for Russia every day and because according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash whereas the EU has run out of cash...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Considering the EU/USA financed the coup on Kiev
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

That can't be true, because the CE of B92 forums sj had already ruled before the coup that the EU/USA had collapsed and run out of cash. In addition, according always to the CE of B92 forums sj, Russia is the country with cash so the only conclusion is that Russia financed the coup in Kiev (always according to the brilliant analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj).
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and US/Nato's decision to place missiles on Ukraine's border with Russia, what did you expect Russia to do? Did you just expect her to roll over and get her stomach tickled?
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

address it with the country where the missiles were placed (i.e. not Ukraine). What did Russia expect? Did it expect Ukraine to solve the missiles problem for Russia :) The lack of logical connections in your arguments is astonishing...
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My money is with Putin taking the best bits of the country back under Russian persuasion and leaving the nazi trash and their debts for the west to sort out and my is going to cost the EU some very serious money.
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 16:43)

You are correct.... that's why Serbia is lucky not to be close to its Slavic "brother" :)

I’m sure Moscow will lose a lot of sleep over NATO’s new position.
Question
How will NATO continue to deliver food and equipment to its troops in Afghanistan considering the only safe way is over Russian territory??????? Or even better what route do they propose to take towards the end of this year when they leave Afghanistan? Dig a tunnel and hope to come out in New York?

In reality, Leonidas' views do not represent those of the majority of the Greeks, rather a minority, actually I think they are so crazy that they represent only Leonidas' views. I know Greeks who are glad to be in NATO and the EU. The Greeks elected a government which is diligently doing what the EU told them to. So I would not pay much attention to Leonidas :).
(Reader, 3 May 2014 18:29)

Well ,it seems to me that you haven't got a clue of what's happening in Greece.The latest polls on the EU elections show the anti-austerity/anti-EU parties to have the upper hand but I don't pin my hopes on them because even if they get a majority they won't be allowed to govern(Berlusconi,Papandreeou).The current coalition government is indeed doing the EU bidding by selling the public assets to the highest bidder and destroying the social fabric of the country.

Russia does not care about the Greeks as it was clearly shown not long ago when the bankrupt Greeks begged Russia for help and were shown the door even though according to the CE of B92 forums sj Russia has a lot of cash. But, again, I certainly don't expect you to show some respect for yourself - so go and beg Russia again :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 4 May 2014 18:32)

The Albanian Einstein seems to confuse Greece with Cyprus.In fact the Cypriot government was given a $2.5 million loan by Russia before the bailout.Why should Russia continue to bailout an EU member?

However, if I recall correctly wasn't Leonidas suppose to be protecting democracy & freedom, against the evil & aggressive east? The movies Xerxes & Persia, kinda resembles today's Putin & Russian aggression against her neighbors, and her annexation of regions that belong to sovereign county's? Leo, by your comments May I suggest a name change, for history's sake!
(Rocky, 5 May 2014 14:11)

No, you recall wrongly.Ancient Sparta had nothing to do with democracy.Furthermore,your comparison of Russia with Persia shows why the Albanian sheeple are still hundreds of years behind understanding contemporary politics.Identifying the Ukrainian Benderistas and the rest of the fascist thugs as some kind of democratic knights further re-enforces that view.
Considering the EU/USA financed the coup on Kiev and US/Nato's decision to place missiles on Ukraine's border with Russia, what did you expect Russia to do? Did you just expect her to roll over and get her stomach tickled? My money is with Putin taking the best bits of the country back under Russian persuasion and leaving the nazi trash and their debts for the west to sort out and my is going to cost the EU some very serious money.

"The current coalition government is indeed doing the EU bidding by selling the public assets to the highest bidder and destroying the social fabric of the country."
(Leonidas, 5 May 2014 14:44)

Too bad for you that Greece is not geographically closer to Russia. Its army could have come and saved you from the hundreds of billion euros of EU tax payers :). You ruined the party for everybody else that is coming after you also, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, etc etc.

Rote,
"This clown” might be the best of the clowns available, but I agree with you that they are all part of hostile regiment, and that personality doesn't matter.
Problem with the clowns is that they are never funny.
On birthday party they are always somehow sad and pathetic. In circus, they are annoying. And those going around giving all kinds of statements - just creepy.

I guaranty you guys in 20 years will come to work in Albania and Bulgaria as emigrants.
(Mirel from Albania

Its always humerous to read someone writing on a subject they have no idea about. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary have all become part of the glorious EU since 2004. Now that is 10 years and they have gone backwards in most areas of endevour.
What you dont understand is that before 2008 the EU was pumping money into these economies and living standards did improve with the combined real estate boom of that time. In fact Romania was called the Economic Tiger of the Balkans.
If your prediction was to come true then the EU would have to pump money into Albania and Bulgaria for the next four decades – do you see Brussels doing that? I dont. The way Serbia is going it’s more likey your Albanians will try and beg for work in Serbia.
Mirel, its money that makes the world go around not wishes.

Erdogan can say whatever he wants for PR purposes but Albanians don't have much in common with the Turks. The Greeks and Turks share the same genes. They even look the same. No surprise there since they're neighbors.
(cry me a river, 3 May 2014 14:19)

You follow the Enverian script to the letter- modern Albanians are racially pure descendants of ancient ethnic groups -which of course are nothing more than extreme fantasies of Albanian nationalists.Your rejection of any historical and cultural connection between Albania and Turkey makes a mockery of history written by the Ottomans and also the presence of millions of Albanians in modern Turkey.

As fas as the Greeks are concerned there has been plenty of genetic studies which suggest modern Greeks are even biologically related to pre-Greek neolithic societies in the region (see Cavalli-Sforza's Gene's Peoples and Languages). This makes perfect sense given ancient Greeks didn't simply appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere. (not to mention modern Greek language and culture is clearly derived from earlier forms of Greek).While the idea of pure races are the fantasies of extreme nationalists there is a flow of history and archaeology.Nations and history are not a fiction.

The b92 english forum is the only place in the world where Albanians get to mock Greeks for being poor, people with no self-respect, genetically close to the Turks and so on. Everywhere else in the world it's the other way round.

(pss, 5 May 2014 20:58)

Yes there are other routes such as Pakistan, Iran or drilling through the earth and coming out in New York. Which do you think is better? Perhaps you might ask the reason why NATO avoids Pakistan. Russia is not the Soviet Union so it does not want Afghanistan. The only reason the west went into Afghanistan was for Caspian Sea oil and gas to bypass Russian territory. It has nothing to do with 9/11 at all. That was a convenient excuse. Even George W Bush was entertaining the Taliban at his Texas ranch in the late 1980s to try and convince them to allow a pipelines through Afghanistan.

Russia said to the US at the start not to go to Afghanistan because they were there for 10 years and left without achieving their objectives and ended bankrupting their country. How much plainer could that advice have been??? Moscow was frank about losing in Afghanistan, but not the US of Piss and Wind – they can win with freedom and democracy and rule of law LOL.

NATO is a spent force and only kept around because of the US, but that will end soon. How long do you think the US will continue to borrow to fight losing wars????? I hear NATO is in the Baltics just in case those pesky Russians decide to invade New Arizona LOL.

Why sanctions will never work on Russia? Simply because Asia has all the cash and they have no interest in western BS.

Russia said to the US at the start not to go to Afghanistan because they were there for 10 years and left without achieving their objectives and ended bankrupting their country. How much plainer could that advice have been??? Moscow was frank about losing in Afghanistan, but not the US of Piss and Wind – they can win with freedom and democracy and rule of law LOL.
(sj, 6 May 2014 02:26)

Oh, now everything makes sense... Thanks sj for giving us the secret background of what happened in 2001. Russia, as the biggest friend of US, gave to the US valuable advice, but the US did not pay attention to the advice of their Russian friends who only think about the US well-being day and night.