"Priština wants special court to be established"

"According to this, she wrote that the court, "which will operate in Kosovo and abroad," would work according to its own statute and have its own rules of procedure including provisions limiting the granting of pardon, custody and imprisoned outside of Kosovo. "


Own rules? Funny! What can they be? The usual mafia rules? And an option of pardon, to set war criminals free because of their glorious deeds in the 'freedom fighting'? Unbelievable.

"It was reported last week that EU's representative in Kosovo Samuel Žbogar advised the authorities in Priština to approve the setting up of the court that would investigate the crimes allegedly committed by the now disbanded ethnic Albanian KLA, and thus avoid involvement of the United Nations in this matter."

It's ridiculous for a Kosovo court investigating into the KLA alleged criminals who are currently forming the government.


"Clint Williamson, head of EULEX's special investigation team, "has a large dossier on crimes committed by the former KLA and is expected to hand it over to the judges of a special court that will look into the findings of the former Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe rapporteur Dick Marty," the Priština-based Express daily has reported, quoting unnamed sources."

Yes, hand them over to the 'special Kosovo judges', and the next day, witnesses will disappear.

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?

This would be just like having the Nazi war crimes tribunals following World War II run by the Nazis

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 April 2014 17:36)
Having a problem with reading and comprehension?, It is EULEX that will set up the court with parts inside Kosovo and parts outside Kosovo and the courts will set up their own rules, not Kosovo. Whether you trust EULEX or not is of no consequence as the very people calling for a UN court are the very ones who call the UN court(ICTY) a NATO court and biased against Serbs. So basically, you will not be happy with any courts from this planet.

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 April 2014 17:36)

Well if they're smart about it, they'll bring a few mid to low level KLA underlings to the gallows to give the impression the court isn't entirely biased. But high ranking officials the US has invested years and money in training, walking, talking, and eating with utensils will either be predictably acquitted on lack of evidence or simply not be indicted altogether.

Don't expect a political elite that for years condemned a court like this for being "anti-Albanian" and "defaming the good name of the KLA" to suddenly arrest and imprison more than half the people that make up said political elite.

I say don't expect, but then again silly Albanian patriotism would probably acquit everyone involved if not pressured to put away a few token fall guys by the international community :)

@Comm. Parrisson

there's no pleasing you is there? EULEX and other international bodies have asked the Kov. gov. has to set up a special court regarding KLA crimes, they oblige and you're still not happy. EULEX investigates various Albanian guerilla leaders, acquits them on the ground of there being no credible evidence and you're still not happy. so what do you want? do you want to jail people without recourse to a trial?

great idea Comm. you better forward those to suggestions to EULEX and maybe then you'd be satisfied. as for Thaci and Dr Marty (not that I care for Thaci) but have you ever wondered why Mr Marty is refusing to disclose his evidence, even to EU persecutors? i mean, it seems to me, he can vindicate himself very easily if he is indeed in possession of proof.
as for this "members of mafia clans are not forming the government..." you have never spoken to an Italian person have you?

"Of course a court has big problems providing justice when you have a state which is ruled by mafia, which has no civic society and where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo."

except, when its EULEX conducting investigations and EULEX appointed judges handing out verdicts, none of the above matter. now, if persecutors are bad at their job, there really isn't much anyone can do about it. maybe you should take over

"Maybe EULEX should approve Italian judges and persecutors."

Now that is a great suggestion Comm. Parrisson. EULEX should spin the wheel of the best judges and prosecutors in Italy and pick the ones that it wants. The Italian government will of course promptly agree to let them abandon their investigations about the Mafia, Gomorra, and other things in their own country and send them to Kosovo, due to Kosovo's enormous importance on the international scene. The judges themselves of course will have no choice, Italy is a communist country where the state decides where you will go to work and there is nothing you can do about it.
They will of course have to get acquainted with the cases, the people, the history and the culture, to understand things better, so that will delay things but it is an acceptable price to pay.

"Unlike in Kosovo, in Italy, the members of mafia clans are not forming the government"
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:40)

This is not really the topic of discussion but you obviously do not know about Berlusconi and his friends in Sicily. Nor about a guy named Andreotti who governed Italy for 50 years. Or about judges abandoned by the state and bombed by the mafia in Sicily in the 90s.

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:57)
If I get what you are saying, Serbian govt is criminal free? Just wondering.

Comm.Parrison and Anthropologis the usual Serbian bias threw you off this time. You rushed into writing the usual negative comments with our bothering to read. Kosova has given the EU a free hand in everything to set up an EU court system. It will be EU judges and EU investigators. This is what the president of Kosova has called for and approved. Next time read a little before you decide to badmouth.

Now on what you say below.

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:57)

You are too optimistic. Dacic time and again is in the company of men wanted by the law. Men that time and again he claims they just happened to be where he is. You do Serbia disservice if you claim there is no criminals in the government.

This would be just like having the Nazi war crimes tribunals following World War II run by the Nazis
(Goran., 16 April 2014 09:41)
Maybe you would do better reading the Serbian version of the press, as you seem to have difficulty reading the English one. It is not Kosovo nor the Albanians that are setting up this court but basically they are giving their permission for the EU to set up and run this court with offices in Kosovo and outside Kosovo.

"except, when its EULEX conducting investigations and EULEX appointed judges handing out verdicts, none of the above matter. now, if persecutors are bad at their job, there really isn't much anyone can do about it."
(Nikolle, 16 April 2014 11:28)

Maybe EULEX should approve Italian judges and persecutors. They have experience how to deal with cracking up mafia structures and sent mafia bosses to prison, though it is hard for anyone to deal with those clan structures outside a civil society. Though there is still a difference: Unlike in Kosovo, in Italy, the members of mafia clans are not forming the government and claim that any accusations against criminals are 'against Italy as a state', like your crime minister Thaci did when Marty came up with his findings.

"Aren't you basically describing Serbia, after all, Karadzic, Mladic and others found recluse and outright protection from the Serbian govt for more than a decade before it was given point blank their future in the EU was going no where unless they gave them up. "
(a New Day, 16 April 2014 13:11)

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)

Comm.Parrison and Anthropologis the usual Serbian bias threw you off this time. You rushed into writing the usual negative comments with our bothering to read. Kosova has given the EU a free hand in everything to set up an EU court system. It will be EU judges and EU investigators. This is what the president of Kosova has called for and approved. Next time read a little before you decide to badmouth.
(j, 17 April 2014 02:23)

Don't worry, we both know the EU realizes this is too important a task to assign to Albanians who will screw it all up since everyone with a shred of free thought in Pristina is convinced this will be the end of the KLA's control of history and monopoly on power. I can't speak for Comm, but my statement points to the belief that it's highly unlikely even EULEX will be that thorough in rooting out criminal activity, both wartime and afterwards, since it would basically eliminate Kosovo of 85% of its current leadership. Plus let's not forget many of these so-called freedom fighters are on the CIA's payroll, so I really doubt people like Thaci will see the inside of a jail cell. Albanians may have a story to tell, but the United States has allies of convenience to protect - which of course reinforces the story to tell.

Unless something completely unexpected happens, a few small potatoes will fall. The bigwigs will avoid the hangman. And if I'm wrong, trust me, I'll be sure to voice my pleasantly surprised astonishment.

"So basically, you will not be happy with any courts from this planet."
(a New Day, 16 April 2014 02:07)

No, I'm very happy with the ICY court in the Hague and I think it's only normal that most of the verdicts are Serbs. Of course a court has big problems providing justice when you have a state which is ruled by mafia, which has no civic society and where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo.

where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 11:13)
Aren't you basically describing Serbia, after all, Karadzic, Mladic and others found recluse and outright protection from the Serbian govt for more than a decade before it was given point blank their future in the EU was going no where unless they gave them up.
I do agree however, that a court set up by "the Kosovo govt" would not find any high officials guilty of actions they took in the KLA, but neither would Serbia, that is why they had to be sent to the Hague. Guilty verdicts in Serbian courts have been low level rogue units.
The best bet for any justice is through an international system, and the rightful place for that is through the EU, whether you want to call it EULEX of whatever.
Some think that by saying it has to be the UN that Russia will somehow control the court, but no more than it does the ICTY.
But in this case Pristina is doing what the international community wants, it is asking them (the international community) to establish a court and giving it(the international court) full power to run itself as it sees appropriate.
Now does that mean that individuals in control in Pristina are going to just roll over and give up their friends to the court and volunteer testimony that the prosecutors do not have? No more than Serbia did in the first 15 of ICTY.

And if I'm wrong, trust me, I'll be sure to voice my pleasantly surprised astonishment.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 17 April 2014 15:25)
Highly doubtful, as already you have discredited the court before the first person has been named. It is also nice to know you have the inside information on the CIA payroll. Also when you throw around numbers like 85% of the leadership, based on what? Nothing but rumor and heresay.
If you have facts present them to someone, certainly you have them since you have the scoops on the CIA.
You are far too prejudiced to ever be satisfied with anything short of total imprisonment of all Albanians in Kosovo.

Farcical,duplicitous,charade???? Difficult to know how to describe this rather insincere manoeuvre.

"According to this, she wrote that the court, "which will operate in Kosovo and abroad," would work according to its own statute and have its own rules of procedure including provisions limiting the granting of pardon, custody and imprisoned outside of Kosovo. "


Own rules? Funny! What can they be? The usual mafia rules? And an option of pardon, to set war criminals free because of their glorious deeds in the 'freedom fighting'? Unbelievable.

"It was reported last week that EU's representative in Kosovo Samuel Žbogar advised the authorities in Priština to approve the setting up of the court that would investigate the crimes allegedly committed by the now disbanded ethnic Albanian KLA, and thus avoid involvement of the United Nations in this matter."

It's ridiculous for a Kosovo court investigating into the KLA alleged criminals who are currently forming the government.


"Clint Williamson, head of EULEX's special investigation team, "has a large dossier on crimes committed by the former KLA and is expected to hand it over to the judges of a special court that will look into the findings of the former Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe rapporteur Dick Marty," the Priština-based Express daily has reported, quoting unnamed sources."

Yes, hand them over to the 'special Kosovo judges', and the next day, witnesses will disappear.

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?

"Aren't you basically describing Serbia, after all, Karadzic, Mladic and others found recluse and outright protection from the Serbian govt for more than a decade before it was given point blank their future in the EU was going no where unless they gave them up. "
(a New Day, 16 April 2014 13:11)

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)

Comm.Parrison and Anthropologis the usual Serbian bias threw you off this time. You rushed into writing the usual negative comments with our bothering to read. Kosova has given the EU a free hand in everything to set up an EU court system. It will be EU judges and EU investigators. This is what the president of Kosova has called for and approved. Next time read a little before you decide to badmouth.
(j, 17 April 2014 02:23)

Don't worry, we both know the EU realizes this is too important a task to assign to Albanians who will screw it all up since everyone with a shred of free thought in Pristina is convinced this will be the end of the KLA's control of history and monopoly on power. I can't speak for Comm, but my statement points to the belief that it's highly unlikely even EULEX will be that thorough in rooting out criminal activity, both wartime and afterwards, since it would basically eliminate Kosovo of 85% of its current leadership. Plus let's not forget many of these so-called freedom fighters are on the CIA's payroll, so I really doubt people like Thaci will see the inside of a jail cell. Albanians may have a story to tell, but the United States has allies of convenience to protect - which of course reinforces the story to tell.

Unless something completely unexpected happens, a few small potatoes will fall. The bigwigs will avoid the hangman. And if I'm wrong, trust me, I'll be sure to voice my pleasantly surprised astonishment.

This would be just like having the Nazi war crimes tribunals following World War II run by the Nazis

"So basically, you will not be happy with any courts from this planet."
(a New Day, 16 April 2014 02:07)

No, I'm very happy with the ICY court in the Hague and I think it's only normal that most of the verdicts are Serbs. Of course a court has big problems providing justice when you have a state which is ruled by mafia, which has no civic society and where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo.

"except, when its EULEX conducting investigations and EULEX appointed judges handing out verdicts, none of the above matter. now, if persecutors are bad at their job, there really isn't much anyone can do about it."
(Nikolle, 16 April 2014 11:28)

Maybe EULEX should approve Italian judges and persecutors. They have experience how to deal with cracking up mafia structures and sent mafia bosses to prison, though it is hard for anyone to deal with those clan structures outside a civil society. Though there is still a difference: Unlike in Kosovo, in Italy, the members of mafia clans are not forming the government and claim that any accusations against criminals are 'against Italy as a state', like your crime minister Thaci did when Marty came up with his findings.

great idea Comm. you better forward those to suggestions to EULEX and maybe then you'd be satisfied. as for Thaci and Dr Marty (not that I care for Thaci) but have you ever wondered why Mr Marty is refusing to disclose his evidence, even to EU persecutors? i mean, it seems to me, he can vindicate himself very easily if he is indeed in possession of proof.
as for this "members of mafia clans are not forming the government..." you have never spoken to an Italian person have you?

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 April 2014 17:36)

Well if they're smart about it, they'll bring a few mid to low level KLA underlings to the gallows to give the impression the court isn't entirely biased. But high ranking officials the US has invested years and money in training, walking, talking, and eating with utensils will either be predictably acquitted on lack of evidence or simply not be indicted altogether.

Don't expect a political elite that for years condemned a court like this for being "anti-Albanian" and "defaming the good name of the KLA" to suddenly arrest and imprison more than half the people that make up said political elite.

I say don't expect, but then again silly Albanian patriotism would probably acquit everyone involved if not pressured to put away a few token fall guys by the international community :)

Sorry, does anyone with a sane mind expect KLA crimes being punished in the KLA governed state of Kosovo?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 April 2014 17:36)
Having a problem with reading and comprehension?, It is EULEX that will set up the court with parts inside Kosovo and parts outside Kosovo and the courts will set up their own rules, not Kosovo. Whether you trust EULEX or not is of no consequence as the very people calling for a UN court are the very ones who call the UN court(ICTY) a NATO court and biased against Serbs. So basically, you will not be happy with any courts from this planet.

Farcical,duplicitous,charade???? Difficult to know how to describe this rather insincere manoeuvre.

@Comm. Parrisson

there's no pleasing you is there? EULEX and other international bodies have asked the Kov. gov. has to set up a special court regarding KLA crimes, they oblige and you're still not happy. EULEX investigates various Albanian guerilla leaders, acquits them on the ground of there being no credible evidence and you're still not happy. so what do you want? do you want to jail people without recourse to a trial?

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:57)
If I get what you are saying, Serbian govt is criminal free? Just wondering.

Comm.Parrison and Anthropologis the usual Serbian bias threw you off this time. You rushed into writing the usual negative comments with our bothering to read. Kosova has given the EU a free hand in everything to set up an EU court system. It will be EU judges and EU investigators. This is what the president of Kosova has called for and approved. Next time read a little before you decide to badmouth.

Now on what you say below.

I agree, it WAS similar, but in Kosovo it still IS, and even worse, the criminals are not only protected by government and secret service there, but they are part of government and have seats in parliament instead of a nice seat in a cell in the Hague where they belong :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:57)

You are too optimistic. Dacic time and again is in the company of men wanted by the law. Men that time and again he claims they just happened to be where he is. You do Serbia disservice if you claim there is no criminals in the government.

where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 11:13)
Aren't you basically describing Serbia, after all, Karadzic, Mladic and others found recluse and outright protection from the Serbian govt for more than a decade before it was given point blank their future in the EU was going no where unless they gave them up.
I do agree however, that a court set up by "the Kosovo govt" would not find any high officials guilty of actions they took in the KLA, but neither would Serbia, that is why they had to be sent to the Hague. Guilty verdicts in Serbian courts have been low level rogue units.
The best bet for any justice is through an international system, and the rightful place for that is through the EU, whether you want to call it EULEX of whatever.
Some think that by saying it has to be the UN that Russia will somehow control the court, but no more than it does the ICTY.
But in this case Pristina is doing what the international community wants, it is asking them (the international community) to establish a court and giving it(the international court) full power to run itself as it sees appropriate.
Now does that mean that individuals in control in Pristina are going to just roll over and give up their friends to the court and volunteer testimony that the prosecutors do not have? No more than Serbia did in the first 15 of ICTY.

And if I'm wrong, trust me, I'll be sure to voice my pleasantly surprised astonishment.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 17 April 2014 15:25)
Highly doubtful, as already you have discredited the court before the first person has been named. It is also nice to know you have the inside information on the CIA payroll. Also when you throw around numbers like 85% of the leadership, based on what? Nothing but rumor and heresay.
If you have facts present them to someone, certainly you have them since you have the scoops on the CIA.
You are far too prejudiced to ever be satisfied with anything short of total imprisonment of all Albanians in Kosovo.

"Of course a court has big problems providing justice when you have a state which is ruled by mafia, which has no civic society and where the government is sheltering alleged criminals and has a prime minister who calls any accusations against KLA war criminals an attack against Kosovo."

except, when its EULEX conducting investigations and EULEX appointed judges handing out verdicts, none of the above matter. now, if persecutors are bad at their job, there really isn't much anyone can do about it. maybe you should take over

This would be just like having the Nazi war crimes tribunals following World War II run by the Nazis
(Goran., 16 April 2014 09:41)
Maybe you would do better reading the Serbian version of the press, as you seem to have difficulty reading the English one. It is not Kosovo nor the Albanians that are setting up this court but basically they are giving their permission for the EU to set up and run this court with offices in Kosovo and outside Kosovo.

"Maybe EULEX should approve Italian judges and persecutors."

Now that is a great suggestion Comm. Parrisson. EULEX should spin the wheel of the best judges and prosecutors in Italy and pick the ones that it wants. The Italian government will of course promptly agree to let them abandon their investigations about the Mafia, Gomorra, and other things in their own country and send them to Kosovo, due to Kosovo's enormous importance on the international scene. The judges themselves of course will have no choice, Italy is a communist country where the state decides where you will go to work and there is nothing you can do about it.
They will of course have to get acquainted with the cases, the people, the history and the culture, to understand things better, so that will delay things but it is an acceptable price to pay.

"Unlike in Kosovo, in Italy, the members of mafia clans are not forming the government"
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 April 2014 14:40)

This is not really the topic of discussion but you obviously do not know about Berlusconi and his friends in Sicily. Nor about a guy named Andreotti who governed Italy for 50 years. Or about judges abandoned by the state and bombed by the mafia in Sicily in the 90s.