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Tuesday, 18.03.2014.

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Patriarch says Kosovo is "Serbian Jerusalem"

Patriarch Irinej has said <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2014&mm=03&dd=17&nav_id=89666" class="text-link" target= "_blank">the anti-Serb violence in Kosovo in March 2004</a> was an attempt to destroy the root of the Serb people and erase their existence there.

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Skifteri

pre 10 godina

Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.
(Avni, 18 March 2014 22:48)

@ avni

As an Albanian, I condemn your imagination for the people of Kosovo rising up to repeat 2004.Instead learn to tolerate differences and live in peace.

Morning Shake

pre 10 godina

What would he say if some Hungarian Priest said Vojvodina is Heart of Hungary, this is something I would like to understand? Jerusalem of Hungary is Novi Sad as Atila the Hun used to chill in Novi sad and took long baths in Kanjiza ....?

Lets live in 2014 where majority should choose be it in Vojvodina, Kosovo or Crimia .... Scotland. But there can not be vojvodina part of Serbia due to WW1 but no Kosovo due to loss in 1999 war its same thing.

CAN-KS

pre 10 godina

If Kosova is Serbain Jerusalem then I'm Prime minister of Canada. These Serbians are indeed the craziest people in the region. I hope Government Of Kosova bans them from ever entering my country of birth. They only bring trouble to the region and they should be banned for life.

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia must live in the present. That now means they all support Kosovo indepenence. It's not that they aren't religious or no Kosovo means no Serbia its just in 2014 Kosovo is an independent nation now to most Serbs and Serbia. Serbs have chosen eu over Kosovo. Serbia appointed dejan pavicevic to be ambassador to Kosovo

Avni

pre 10 godina

Nothing new. He's repeating the same trash. He'll end up like Vulin, not be allowed to enter Kosovo anymore. Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.

Demi

pre 10 godina

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.
(Ratko, 18 March 2014 17:06)


#1 Its not an fact that Albanians have come from where you belive. But it is a fact that serbs have come to The Balkans from caucaus mountings. So that's why Kosova is not your Jerusalem.

#2 Former Uck was made from ex farmers, school teachers, doctors etc. Regular people who had to take arms to defend their familys and neighbours from serbian terror army lead by the Milosevic regime. Nato intervened when that regime ethnicly cleaned 1 million Albanians from Kosova.



But dont worry in the future Kosova will have an army. Then Serbia will have to think twice before talking about Kosova.

Xenon

pre 10 godina

Don't you guys get tired of debating each other the whole time?! Every article which contains the word "kosovo" gets so much attention! Calm the hell down. What difference does it make in reality when a 100 or so people keep bashing each other on the internet when they never agree on anything_! Just go your separate ways and stop this rubbish talk! Life is too short for that much time wasting!
Cheers.

marKo

pre 10 godina

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.
(J, 18 March 2014 19:31)

J I have no idea what you are talking about. The Patriarch said that refugees should be allowed to return, and criminals should be punished.

Not knowing what to say, radicallized seperatists attacked the patrirach and accused him of hate speech. I pointed out that saying that refugees should be allowed to return and criminals should be punished is law and order.

Now I agree religous feelings are a personal choice. Their is a right to have them and a right not to have them. I never said otherwise.

As far as the appropriateness of breaking laws, there is supposed to be a standard for laws and that standard should apply for everyone.
everyone who commited crimes against civilians should be punished, there is no scenerio where it is okay to hurt civilians, or excuse the harm to civilians.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.
(Gotsefromohrid, 18 March 2014 17:08) ...

Since you know very little about Albanians,why even bother talking about them.

FYI Albanians in Albania are 60% Muslims( from who 95% dont practice the religion) and around 40% christian( Orthodox,Catholic etc).
Orthodox Albanians have given almost half of national rennissance patriots,from fighters against Turkey,poets,polticians, musicians( i.e Albanian national anthem was writen by an Albanian orthodox and a Romanian composer).
Edi Rama the Albanian PM is orthodox,so was most of the Berisha's cabinet.

As for when we become orthodox,read the Bible and see where apolstul Paul was.
We were orthodox or christians from the begining.And we are albanians not serbs or bulgarians.
My ancesters were in the guard of George Castriot Scanderbeg,in the time when serbs were fighting with ottomans.

Leran the facts before you speak.

Republic of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Hey you Serbs why you not working in something better then to talk about Kosovo why u not improving your economy to decrease employes rather then to speak about Albanian.

As anyone knows that Kosovo has been recognized from 106 countries and you Serbs still talkin about Kosovo.

I saw some comments also with racism text that's not apply to intellectuals.

Let's call about peace not about arguing that the stupidest thing is to deal with dreams. I know for you slaves you are somewhere from Siberia or I even don't know but just one thing I know that you are not from European lands.
Who knows where your religion come from the answer is I don't know -(.

Thanks a lot.
republic of Kosovo

J

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.
(PEN, 18 March 2014 15:34) ...


The Patriarch is the person who should forgive,even criminals like Jesus Christ did.
If the partiarch thinks Kosovo is only for serbs,he should get on the bus and drive around and probably he can see that Kosovo majority is Albanian now.

So as a Patriarch,he should work to convert albanians into ortodox,not spreading hatered between God's sheep albanian and serb.

Every Sunday in his sermons I never have heard serbs and albanians must get close and live in harmony,but only speeches that alianating albanians which now are 95% of Kosovo.
Is this the way to be a good Christian? I dont think so.

As for the person who suggested me to change the religion,I have an answer that when my ancersters hosted apolstul Paul when he traveled through Illyria, and accepted Christianity,yours were somewhere in Russia.

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.

Ratko

pre 10 godina

@ demi

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch
(marKo, 18 March 2014 15:59)
--
Well said Marko. When you hear people attacking the person rather than the argument, you know they've lost.

Stan

pre 10 godina

Demi- we will never recognise Kosovo. Just ain't going to happen. Rather be poor and isolated. But i would love to visit the Albanian coast, heard it's beautiful.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Mirel: "As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me."

Here's an easy solution for you Mirel: change your religion. We really don't want you either. God knows Albanians have changed religions throughout their history in order to lead easier lives. That's why there are Albanian Orthodox, Albanian Catholics and Albanian Muslims. Take the easy way out Mirel, just like those before you have.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

Bahri

pre 10 godina

This guy is Criminal not a church preacher,He should be arrested for spreading hate rest between Kosovo Albanian and Serbs.
And seems like this preacher is behind with politicks Kosovo is Independent State been recognized more than 106 countries world wide and he still thinks Kosovo is Serbia keep thinking and have fun with your self haahahhahah.

PEN

pre 10 godina

Where exactly were you 'Orthodox mirel from albania' protecting your Serb Orthodox brethren when they were being terrorised by your fellow Albanian thugs in 2004. How does it feel as an Orthodox Albanian seeing images of Albanians urinating on the burnt out ruins of medieval Orthodox churches in Kosovo. Something only a savage would do. This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Demi: "....without war you will never occupy Kosova again!"

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

marKo

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

I thought you wanted democracy, law and order? Now you call a call for the right of refugees to return home, and that criminals be punished hate speech? It might be speech you hate, but that isn't hate speech. If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch

Willi Pfaff

pre 10 godina

the serb Ayatollah, the man who preaches hate, advocates war, and certainly isn't a man who has god in his heart spoke once more. My god says, that people like him wil end in hell.

Demi

pre 10 godina

95 % of the population in Kosova is Albanians and you as an church wants to occupy their land because you think it is in your heart, mind and soul ? You should preach about peace and tolerance. Kosova is independent because The majority citizens want it. Who are you to go against The will of the people? Are you for peace only for serb people or for all ?

You are an preacher and no politican. As for Jerusalem , how can it be your Jerusalem when you and your serb people came to The Balkans 1000 years ago. Your Jerusalem should be somewhere in The caucaus areas. Why dont you seek for it?

And one thing you should know is that you will never have an chanc to occupy Kosova as long as Albanians are an majority there. You should have learned that lesson for 1000 years. Kosova is in the hands of The rightful owners. Accept it an preach about peace insteed. Because without war you will never occupy Kosova again!

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

I can not believe that this "holy" man,never mentions albanians in his Sunday sermons and never prays for peace and harmony between serbs and albanians in Kosovo.
In his rusty mind Kosovo is full of serbs and no albanian lives there.

As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me.

Rolandi

pre 10 godina

A looser all ways will be looser wait till serbia starts to loose Vojvodina sandjak and presevo valley then serbia will ne like NOKIA2110

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"As long as Kosovo is in our hearts, minds and songs,..."

OK cool, you keep it in your songs, hearts and minds, we'll keep the actual place.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

Absolutely. And today we remember the violent organized pogroms against the Serbian people, and never forget that Kosovo i Metohija has been occupied before. Our ancestors have been through this. It was in times of Kosovo i Metohija not being under Serbian sovereignty were the greatest strides made by the Serbian nation. It was because through it all, Serbs worked on the day where they could one day again liberate Kosovo i Metohija.

It took the Israelis 2000 years to come back to Jerusalem and they had extremely difficult almost impossible conditions to do it, and they did. Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia's Jerusalem and will be liberated as it has in the past, the key is to understand that as an nation and to work towards that inevitable goal.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"As long as Kosovo is in our hearts, minds and songs,..."

OK cool, you keep it in your songs, hearts and minds, we'll keep the actual place.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

Absolutely. And today we remember the violent organized pogroms against the Serbian people, and never forget that Kosovo i Metohija has been occupied before. Our ancestors have been through this. It was in times of Kosovo i Metohija not being under Serbian sovereignty were the greatest strides made by the Serbian nation. It was because through it all, Serbs worked on the day where they could one day again liberate Kosovo i Metohija.

It took the Israelis 2000 years to come back to Jerusalem and they had extremely difficult almost impossible conditions to do it, and they did. Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia's Jerusalem and will be liberated as it has in the past, the key is to understand that as an nation and to work towards that inevitable goal.

Demi

pre 10 godina

95 % of the population in Kosova is Albanians and you as an church wants to occupy their land because you think it is in your heart, mind and soul ? You should preach about peace and tolerance. Kosova is independent because The majority citizens want it. Who are you to go against The will of the people? Are you for peace only for serb people or for all ?

You are an preacher and no politican. As for Jerusalem , how can it be your Jerusalem when you and your serb people came to The Balkans 1000 years ago. Your Jerusalem should be somewhere in The caucaus areas. Why dont you seek for it?

And one thing you should know is that you will never have an chanc to occupy Kosova as long as Albanians are an majority there. You should have learned that lesson for 1000 years. Kosova is in the hands of The rightful owners. Accept it an preach about peace insteed. Because without war you will never occupy Kosova again!

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

I can not believe that this "holy" man,never mentions albanians in his Sunday sermons and never prays for peace and harmony between serbs and albanians in Kosovo.
In his rusty mind Kosovo is full of serbs and no albanian lives there.

As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me.

Rolandi

pre 10 godina

A looser all ways will be looser wait till serbia starts to loose Vojvodina sandjak and presevo valley then serbia will ne like NOKIA2110

Bahri

pre 10 godina

This guy is Criminal not a church preacher,He should be arrested for spreading hate rest between Kosovo Albanian and Serbs.
And seems like this preacher is behind with politicks Kosovo is Independent State been recognized more than 106 countries world wide and he still thinks Kosovo is Serbia keep thinking and have fun with your self haahahhahah.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Demi: "....without war you will never occupy Kosova again!"

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.

Willi Pfaff

pre 10 godina

the serb Ayatollah, the man who preaches hate, advocates war, and certainly isn't a man who has god in his heart spoke once more. My god says, that people like him wil end in hell.

PEN

pre 10 godina

Where exactly were you 'Orthodox mirel from albania' protecting your Serb Orthodox brethren when they were being terrorised by your fellow Albanian thugs in 2004. How does it feel as an Orthodox Albanian seeing images of Albanians urinating on the burnt out ruins of medieval Orthodox churches in Kosovo. Something only a savage would do. This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Mirel: "As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me."

Here's an easy solution for you Mirel: change your religion. We really don't want you either. God knows Albanians have changed religions throughout their history in order to lead easier lives. That's why there are Albanian Orthodox, Albanian Catholics and Albanian Muslims. Take the easy way out Mirel, just like those before you have.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch
(marKo, 18 March 2014 15:59)
--
Well said Marko. When you hear people attacking the person rather than the argument, you know they've lost.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.
(PEN, 18 March 2014 15:34) ...


The Patriarch is the person who should forgive,even criminals like Jesus Christ did.
If the partiarch thinks Kosovo is only for serbs,he should get on the bus and drive around and probably he can see that Kosovo majority is Albanian now.

So as a Patriarch,he should work to convert albanians into ortodox,not spreading hatered between God's sheep albanian and serb.

Every Sunday in his sermons I never have heard serbs and albanians must get close and live in harmony,but only speeches that alianating albanians which now are 95% of Kosovo.
Is this the way to be a good Christian? I dont think so.

As for the person who suggested me to change the religion,I have an answer that when my ancersters hosted apolstul Paul when he traveled through Illyria, and accepted Christianity,yours were somewhere in Russia.

Ratko

pre 10 godina

@ demi

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.

Demi

pre 10 godina

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.
(Ratko, 18 March 2014 17:06)


#1 Its not an fact that Albanians have come from where you belive. But it is a fact that serbs have come to The Balkans from caucaus mountings. So that's why Kosova is not your Jerusalem.

#2 Former Uck was made from ex farmers, school teachers, doctors etc. Regular people who had to take arms to defend their familys and neighbours from serbian terror army lead by the Milosevic regime. Nato intervened when that regime ethnicly cleaned 1 million Albanians from Kosova.



But dont worry in the future Kosova will have an army. Then Serbia will have to think twice before talking about Kosova.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

marKo

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

I thought you wanted democracy, law and order? Now you call a call for the right of refugees to return home, and that criminals be punished hate speech? It might be speech you hate, but that isn't hate speech. If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.

Stan

pre 10 godina

Demi- we will never recognise Kosovo. Just ain't going to happen. Rather be poor and isolated. But i would love to visit the Albanian coast, heard it's beautiful.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.
(Gotsefromohrid, 18 March 2014 17:08) ...

Since you know very little about Albanians,why even bother talking about them.

FYI Albanians in Albania are 60% Muslims( from who 95% dont practice the religion) and around 40% christian( Orthodox,Catholic etc).
Orthodox Albanians have given almost half of national rennissance patriots,from fighters against Turkey,poets,polticians, musicians( i.e Albanian national anthem was writen by an Albanian orthodox and a Romanian composer).
Edi Rama the Albanian PM is orthodox,so was most of the Berisha's cabinet.

As for when we become orthodox,read the Bible and see where apolstul Paul was.
We were orthodox or christians from the begining.And we are albanians not serbs or bulgarians.
My ancesters were in the guard of George Castriot Scanderbeg,in the time when serbs were fighting with ottomans.

Leran the facts before you speak.

CAN-KS

pre 10 godina

If Kosova is Serbain Jerusalem then I'm Prime minister of Canada. These Serbians are indeed the craziest people in the region. I hope Government Of Kosova bans them from ever entering my country of birth. They only bring trouble to the region and they should be banned for life.

Xenon

pre 10 godina

Don't you guys get tired of debating each other the whole time?! Every article which contains the word "kosovo" gets so much attention! Calm the hell down. What difference does it make in reality when a 100 or so people keep bashing each other on the internet when they never agree on anything_! Just go your separate ways and stop this rubbish talk! Life is too short for that much time wasting!
Cheers.

Avni

pre 10 godina

Nothing new. He's repeating the same trash. He'll end up like Vulin, not be allowed to enter Kosovo anymore. Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.

Morning Shake

pre 10 godina

What would he say if some Hungarian Priest said Vojvodina is Heart of Hungary, this is something I would like to understand? Jerusalem of Hungary is Novi Sad as Atila the Hun used to chill in Novi sad and took long baths in Kanjiza ....?

Lets live in 2014 where majority should choose be it in Vojvodina, Kosovo or Crimia .... Scotland. But there can not be vojvodina part of Serbia due to WW1 but no Kosovo due to loss in 1999 war its same thing.

J

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.

Republic of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Hey you Serbs why you not working in something better then to talk about Kosovo why u not improving your economy to decrease employes rather then to speak about Albanian.

As anyone knows that Kosovo has been recognized from 106 countries and you Serbs still talkin about Kosovo.

I saw some comments also with racism text that's not apply to intellectuals.

Let's call about peace not about arguing that the stupidest thing is to deal with dreams. I know for you slaves you are somewhere from Siberia or I even don't know but just one thing I know that you are not from European lands.
Who knows where your religion come from the answer is I don't know -(.

Thanks a lot.
republic of Kosovo

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia must live in the present. That now means they all support Kosovo indepenence. It's not that they aren't religious or no Kosovo means no Serbia its just in 2014 Kosovo is an independent nation now to most Serbs and Serbia. Serbs have chosen eu over Kosovo. Serbia appointed dejan pavicevic to be ambassador to Kosovo

Skifteri

pre 10 godina

Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.
(Avni, 18 March 2014 22:48)

@ avni

As an Albanian, I condemn your imagination for the people of Kosovo rising up to repeat 2004.Instead learn to tolerate differences and live in peace.

marKo

pre 10 godina

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.
(J, 18 March 2014 19:31)

J I have no idea what you are talking about. The Patriarch said that refugees should be allowed to return, and criminals should be punished.

Not knowing what to say, radicallized seperatists attacked the patrirach and accused him of hate speech. I pointed out that saying that refugees should be allowed to return and criminals should be punished is law and order.

Now I agree religous feelings are a personal choice. Their is a right to have them and a right not to have them. I never said otherwise.

As far as the appropriateness of breaking laws, there is supposed to be a standard for laws and that standard should apply for everyone.
everyone who commited crimes against civilians should be punished, there is no scenerio where it is okay to hurt civilians, or excuse the harm to civilians.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

Demi

pre 10 godina

95 % of the population in Kosova is Albanians and you as an church wants to occupy their land because you think it is in your heart, mind and soul ? You should preach about peace and tolerance. Kosova is independent because The majority citizens want it. Who are you to go against The will of the people? Are you for peace only for serb people or for all ?

You are an preacher and no politican. As for Jerusalem , how can it be your Jerusalem when you and your serb people came to The Balkans 1000 years ago. Your Jerusalem should be somewhere in The caucaus areas. Why dont you seek for it?

And one thing you should know is that you will never have an chanc to occupy Kosova as long as Albanians are an majority there. You should have learned that lesson for 1000 years. Kosova is in the hands of The rightful owners. Accept it an preach about peace insteed. Because without war you will never occupy Kosova again!

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"As long as Kosovo is in our hearts, minds and songs,..."

OK cool, you keep it in your songs, hearts and minds, we'll keep the actual place.

Willi Pfaff

pre 10 godina

the serb Ayatollah, the man who preaches hate, advocates war, and certainly isn't a man who has god in his heart spoke once more. My god says, that people like him wil end in hell.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

Absolutely. And today we remember the violent organized pogroms against the Serbian people, and never forget that Kosovo i Metohija has been occupied before. Our ancestors have been through this. It was in times of Kosovo i Metohija not being under Serbian sovereignty were the greatest strides made by the Serbian nation. It was because through it all, Serbs worked on the day where they could one day again liberate Kosovo i Metohija.

It took the Israelis 2000 years to come back to Jerusalem and they had extremely difficult almost impossible conditions to do it, and they did. Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia's Jerusalem and will be liberated as it has in the past, the key is to understand that as an nation and to work towards that inevitable goal.

Rolandi

pre 10 godina

A looser all ways will be looser wait till serbia starts to loose Vojvodina sandjak and presevo valley then serbia will ne like NOKIA2110

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

I can not believe that this "holy" man,never mentions albanians in his Sunday sermons and never prays for peace and harmony between serbs and albanians in Kosovo.
In his rusty mind Kosovo is full of serbs and no albanian lives there.

As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Mirel: "As an albanian orthodox I am ashamed that this warmongers who always spread hatered between sebs and albanians, share the same religion as me."

Here's an easy solution for you Mirel: change your religion. We really don't want you either. God knows Albanians have changed religions throughout their history in order to lead easier lives. That's why there are Albanian Orthodox, Albanian Catholics and Albanian Muslims. Take the easy way out Mirel, just like those before you have.

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.

Bahri

pre 10 godina

This guy is Criminal not a church preacher,He should be arrested for spreading hate rest between Kosovo Albanian and Serbs.
And seems like this preacher is behind with politicks Kosovo is Independent State been recognized more than 106 countries world wide and he still thinks Kosovo is Serbia keep thinking and have fun with your self haahahhahah.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Demi: "....without war you will never occupy Kosova again!"

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.

Ratko

pre 10 godina

@ demi

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.

PEN

pre 10 godina

Where exactly were you 'Orthodox mirel from albania' protecting your Serb Orthodox brethren when they were being terrorised by your fellow Albanian thugs in 2004. How does it feel as an Orthodox Albanian seeing images of Albanians urinating on the burnt out ruins of medieval Orthodox churches in Kosovo. Something only a savage would do. This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

Republic of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Hey you Serbs why you not working in something better then to talk about Kosovo why u not improving your economy to decrease employes rather then to speak about Albanian.

As anyone knows that Kosovo has been recognized from 106 countries and you Serbs still talkin about Kosovo.

I saw some comments also with racism text that's not apply to intellectuals.

Let's call about peace not about arguing that the stupidest thing is to deal with dreams. I know for you slaves you are somewhere from Siberia or I even don't know but just one thing I know that you are not from European lands.
Who knows where your religion come from the answer is I don't know -(.

Thanks a lot.
republic of Kosovo

Demi

pre 10 godina

#1 albanians come from the mountatins around black sea somewhere in turkey

#2 uck terrorists were not primitive farmers they had very sophisticated weapons from nato members so that propaganda is more than old. I didn't know that: albanian army + uck terrorists + nato were farmers.
(Ratko, 18 March 2014 17:06)


#1 Its not an fact that Albanians have come from where you belive. But it is a fact that serbs have come to The Balkans from caucaus mountings. So that's why Kosova is not your Jerusalem.

#2 Former Uck was made from ex farmers, school teachers, doctors etc. Regular people who had to take arms to defend their familys and neighbours from serbian terror army lead by the Milosevic regime. Nato intervened when that regime ethnicly cleaned 1 million Albanians from Kosova.



But dont worry in the future Kosova will have an army. Then Serbia will have to think twice before talking about Kosova.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch
(marKo, 18 March 2014 15:59)
--
Well said Marko. When you hear people attacking the person rather than the argument, you know they've lost.

Stan

pre 10 godina

Demi- we will never recognise Kosovo. Just ain't going to happen. Rather be poor and isolated. But i would love to visit the Albanian coast, heard it's beautiful.

Avni

pre 10 godina

Nothing new. He's repeating the same trash. He'll end up like Vulin, not be allowed to enter Kosovo anymore. Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.

marKo

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

I thought you wanted democracy, law and order? Now you call a call for the right of refugees to return home, and that criminals be punished hate speech? It might be speech you hate, but that isn't hate speech. If you want an example of hate speech and intolerance look at what you say about the Serbian Patriarch

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...This has nothing to do with you being Orthodox, and everything to do with your being Albanian and hating Serbs. You and the rest of the Albanian trolls here have no concept of compassion for the suffering of your fellow man. Orthodox or not.
(PEN, 18 March 2014 15:34) ...


The Patriarch is the person who should forgive,even criminals like Jesus Christ did.
If the partiarch thinks Kosovo is only for serbs,he should get on the bus and drive around and probably he can see that Kosovo majority is Albanian now.

So as a Patriarch,he should work to convert albanians into ortodox,not spreading hatered between God's sheep albanian and serb.

Every Sunday in his sermons I never have heard serbs and albanians must get close and live in harmony,but only speeches that alianating albanians which now are 95% of Kosovo.
Is this the way to be a good Christian? I dont think so.

As for the person who suggested me to change the religion,I have an answer that when my ancersters hosted apolstul Paul when he traveled through Illyria, and accepted Christianity,yours were somewhere in Russia.

CAN-KS

pre 10 godina

If Kosova is Serbain Jerusalem then I'm Prime minister of Canada. These Serbians are indeed the craziest people in the region. I hope Government Of Kosova bans them from ever entering my country of birth. They only bring trouble to the region and they should be banned for life.

Demi

pre 10 godina

That day will come Demi. And when it does, will the Albanians have their big brother US fight that battle for them again? I doubt it. Keep killing innocent Serb farmers, and destroying Serb churches and cemeteries. Keep pushing for parts of Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. See who helps you next time. Nobody. And if you have to go it alone, may god help you because the Serbian people will not forget.
(njegos, 18 March 2014 15:20)

You should pray for that day not to come. Because if that day comes you will end up where you came from. You dont have the whole yugoslav army anymore and your opponents will not be defenceless farmers but armed welltrained and ready soldiers. You will loose more than what you will win!

But I'm afraid that day will never come because by that time Serbia will recognize Kosova as an independent country. Serbs will travel on the Kosova highways to the Albanian coast for vacation and hopefully we will have peace in this region.

J

pre 10 godina

When people can't argue the law, they argue the facts, when they can't argue the facts or law, they attack the man. People here attack the patriach for saying that Europe should insist that the Serbs can go back to their homes, and that crimes should be prosecuted.

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

...Mirela

I didn't know the're albanian orthdox,that is news to me.You're probably mixed with serbs or bulgarians to claim orthodoxy.Albanians in their absolute majority are muslims.The holy man is right and one day kosovo will be serbian again.
(Gotsefromohrid, 18 March 2014 17:08) ...

Since you know very little about Albanians,why even bother talking about them.

FYI Albanians in Albania are 60% Muslims( from who 95% dont practice the religion) and around 40% christian( Orthodox,Catholic etc).
Orthodox Albanians have given almost half of national rennissance patriots,from fighters against Turkey,poets,polticians, musicians( i.e Albanian national anthem was writen by an Albanian orthodox and a Romanian composer).
Edi Rama the Albanian PM is orthodox,so was most of the Berisha's cabinet.

As for when we become orthodox,read the Bible and see where apolstul Paul was.
We were orthodox or christians from the begining.And we are albanians not serbs or bulgarians.
My ancesters were in the guard of George Castriot Scanderbeg,in the time when serbs were fighting with ottomans.

Leran the facts before you speak.

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia must live in the present. That now means they all support Kosovo indepenence. It's not that they aren't religious or no Kosovo means no Serbia its just in 2014 Kosovo is an independent nation now to most Serbs and Serbia. Serbs have chosen eu over Kosovo. Serbia appointed dejan pavicevic to be ambassador to Kosovo

Xenon

pre 10 godina

Don't you guys get tired of debating each other the whole time?! Every article which contains the word "kosovo" gets so much attention! Calm the hell down. What difference does it make in reality when a 100 or so people keep bashing each other on the internet when they never agree on anything_! Just go your separate ways and stop this rubbish talk! Life is too short for that much time wasting!
Cheers.

marKo

pre 10 godina

-- Slavery was legal for a long time. Killing Jews was legal. Just because a law is there it doesn't mean it's a good law and it is absolute. Breaking bad laws, like abolishing slavery is the duty of any decent human being. Just like it was NATO's duty to crush the criminal enterprise called Serbia. This is where the facts trump any law protecting war criminals.

Belief is a personal matter. It is dumb to assign nationality to someone's personal beliefs. Especially when it comes to religion, which are nothing about archaic fairy tales. Believing a fairy tale versus not believing does not turn one suddenly from a Serb to a non-Serb.
(J, 18 March 2014 19:31)

J I have no idea what you are talking about. The Patriarch said that refugees should be allowed to return, and criminals should be punished.

Not knowing what to say, radicallized seperatists attacked the patrirach and accused him of hate speech. I pointed out that saying that refugees should be allowed to return and criminals should be punished is law and order.

Now I agree religous feelings are a personal choice. Their is a right to have them and a right not to have them. I never said otherwise.

As far as the appropriateness of breaking laws, there is supposed to be a standard for laws and that standard should apply for everyone.
everyone who commited crimes against civilians should be punished, there is no scenerio where it is okay to hurt civilians, or excuse the harm to civilians.

Morning Shake

pre 10 godina

What would he say if some Hungarian Priest said Vojvodina is Heart of Hungary, this is something I would like to understand? Jerusalem of Hungary is Novi Sad as Atila the Hun used to chill in Novi sad and took long baths in Kanjiza ....?

Lets live in 2014 where majority should choose be it in Vojvodina, Kosovo or Crimia .... Scotland. But there can not be vojvodina part of Serbia due to WW1 but no Kosovo due to loss in 1999 war its same thing.

Skifteri

pre 10 godina

Imagine if people of Kosovo tell Kosovo government and Eulex 'you allow him in Kosovo we'll repeat 2004'.
(Avni, 18 March 2014 22:48)

@ avni

As an Albanian, I condemn your imagination for the people of Kosovo rising up to repeat 2004.Instead learn to tolerate differences and live in peace.