"Kiev snipers hired by Ukraine opposition leaders"

Wow. Good work by Russian intelligence to pick up this conversation! It looks like the CIA's dirty business to stir up a revolution and install their puppets. Textbook. This is just like the 'Breadline Massacre, 'Markale Massacre', and 'Racak Massacre' - which were all completely staged and used as excuses to illegal bomb Serbs. It is very evident who the real criminals are, the truth is coming out. Once again, excellent work Mr. Putin and company.
Cheers!!

Wow, those dirty dirty neo-nazi scoundrels. I don't think most Serbs will be surprised. We experienced these dirty tactics ourselves. NATO organised terrorists and jihadists killing their own and blaming it on Serbs.

Let the truth come out so those Nazis are exposed. Not really surprised Albanians support these lowlifes.

Nothing on BBC either.

Absolutely amazing the denials from Nikolle and Peter. You don't have to read the article but listen to the conversation. Here it is -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

Listen and you will hear the Estonian foreign minister confirm that those in the fake parliament in Ukraine have dirty backgrounds, with a confirmation from Ashton. In this case, it's very easy for the CIA to make them co-operate, much like the dirty backgrounds of those leading "Kosovahhh"*.

You will also hear him state that he was informed the same style sniper was killing both protestors and police. The sniper style and bullets were the same as a medical professional confirmed. That it was not Yanukovich that ordered it but some from the Maiden. Catherine Ashton also not denying it. The Estonian foreign minister then asking why an investigation is not being conducted?

Now for all those naysayers, instead of supporting fascist actions, you can simple support an international investigation so the real truth comes out. We are listening to a conversation between two officials of NATO countries and the EU. We are NOT listening to Russia talking to China.

Absolutely amazing what some people will deny when evidence is put straight in their faces. They are in fact supporting the deaths of innocent people with their denials.

Converstaion confirmed by the Estonian FM himself.

http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/urmas-paeti-konet-el-valisteenistuse-juhi-ashtoniga-kuulati-pealt.d?id=68176199

cooked up in the kitchen of 'the leaders of the free world!!' Or the one which always makes me laugh the self proclaimed 'international community' or 'coalition of the willing' hahahaha. Unbelievable, murdering innocent people for their global agenda and running propaganda on their controlled mass media. What a world we live in.

So until confirmed elsewhere, I am not buying this story.
(Peter Sudyka, 5 March 2014 15:57)

What exactly are you “not buying?” There are many photos and TV clips of “protestors” firing sniper rifles. Have you seen these? Do you believe they were faked?

I believe the masked “protestor” snipers shot and killed many police. I don’t know if they killed real protestors as well, but this doesn’t sound too farfetched to me. The Americans admit they spent $5 billion organising the putsch. If it’s success was threatened in any way, do you really doubt that they would order shooting to give themselves a pretext to seize power? These snipers probably weren’t Ukrainian; more likely American, British or Israeli.

(Zoran, 5 March 2014 17:40)

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.

Well, I stand corrected in any case. I see it now in my usual independent media sources. In fact, it's now even in British and American media.

In any case, that will certainly undermine their trust in their own people and put a big question mark as to what the protesters actually fought for.

Once again, the West with an egg in their face.

Peter Sudyka

Don’t be shy and just tell the truth that most likely the snipers came from the states that had trained and financed the Nazi for years. Up to now there’s evidence of 3 suspects. They are Lithuania , Poland and Deutschland (uber alles !) whose officers were doing the dirty job. As you do know the training camps were located in Poland in Lithuania and Galitsis. Meanwhile according to Nuland her country financed it all for USD 5 Bln. As she said “to move forward democracy in Ukraine”. The sources of info are the multiple Nazi captives that we have in the east. You must be the only man on the continent who still doubts about all this. What is the news for you ?

Good campaign ! Two ex-Nazi states and their victim state that has lost 6 million are cooperateing to build a neo-Nazi state in Europe. Your AK grandfather would be shocked. Even AK wouldn’t imagine such a hybrid . On one hand your mass media fight severe and long lasting war against the Baltic fascists and on the other you cooperate them training together Pole killer Benderasts to shoot and cry their damned Siege Hail. Then instead of begging our pardon you come here and teach us how to live.

PS By the way Israel is the first state of the western world to stand by our side about the Ukrainian. Concerning triple standards they are nothing better than the rest of the west. But they never play games with brown color coz most often it is either a pure sh*t or a Nazi b*stard.

what Paet says is true, soon they will admit that recognizing islamo-mafia statelet was a huge mistake and KiM must be go under Serbia' s Government control!

Ian, UK said, "Anyway, lets say for arguments sake that this alleged 'leaked tape' is real, what does it prove?

It proves that you - are hard of hearing, or can't discern the differences in your spoken language, or you lie.

It proves that you are full of bull.

PETER

“I have yet to see evidence that Poland and Lithuania trained the "people operating in Kiev". Just because Putin said so, doesn't make it true.”

Not Putin but the prisoners of Maidan we have today. Also I saw a film from Lituania where the commandant of such a camp tells the truth. I guess it’s available in the web. They are walking along the camp and Lithuanian confesses of how it was arranged and how many years lasted. The west can be stopped by force only. They have neither morality nor shame nor even any religion soon. You Poles have joined the bastards. My compassion …

I think we’ll enter Ukraine 20-23 March. At least I would do so. Peter for Russia it’s a war but the west is still trying to calculate what is better for them. Money and colonialism are the only things that they really care. I would say that they have colonial countries even inside their EU. I believe that today’s Russia could be a better partner for Poland. To say nothing of the Y-DNA and the Happlogroup of yours that are almost Russian. Besides out of the big powers we are most honest one.

nonsense. already Russia is trying to discredit the movement. if this was true, it begs the question why Yanukovich's army/henchmen/police didn't move on the Kiev snipers to protect its citizens. laughable what RT reports

Reuters is reporting that Estonia has acknowledged the phone conversation between their Prime Minister and Ashton.

Peter Sudyka, you are to be commended for your desire to seek the truth, regardless of where it may take you.
I don't always agree with you but I certainly respect you.

If you want to hear real BS, listen to the "Voice of Russia". Not even Stalin`s propaganda machine worked better!

Michael Thomas

I would certainly be more willing to believe that it was Israeli or American snipers throwing fuel into the fire before I would believe that it was someone hired by the new authorities to fire on their very own protesters.

But as I say, I stand open to this theory and agree it is certainly not too far-fetched at all (with America, we have seen that EVERYTHING is possible and NO ONE is more lying, conniving and manipulative than the yanks are), I just want to see an independent source, preferably not Russian, who also have had some extremely dubious actions and justifications therefore, historically speaking.

Eat it posted something in Estonian. I will run this through google translate.

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 21:05)
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So true Leonidas. It just goes to show how they keep the public ignorant of their evil deeds. This should cause an international outcry and start an independent investigation so we can get to the real truth but instead, what we hear from Ashton's office is they don't comment on phone hacks and from the US they criticise Russia for their methods but nothing to investigate the murder of 70 protestors and police? It just shows their real intentions.

Honestly though, it's not surprising. We have seen KLA terrorists and organ snatchers elected as leaders, witnesses murdered and crimes covered up. What ever happened to the organ snatching investigation being conducted by the US? Somehow they can conclude an investigation against their opponents in a day but it takes years when it comes to their puppets.

Oh dear Ian you small minded and blinded little man you are... The Estonian even admitted he said but tried to back turn on it! Which he cant as its clearly said it wasn't the government at the times doing... If i was you id stop watching BBC and the rest its making you come over like a clown!

Well this just takes the cake doesn't it?

This has come out in the western press, but you have to dig deep to find it, they prefer of course mindless slander against Putin as the headline still.

The audacity of the media's collaboration is incredible.

I'll give you another example... 2 days ago on BBC they were reporting "protests by Ukrainians" in front of the Russia embassy in Kiev demanding a "stop to the aggression" etc... looked impressive from the close ups, problem is, at the end of the report, the camera man (mistakenly no doubt) gave us a shot from across the street and for one second it was plain as day there were MAXIMUM of 10 people there.

Support for the coup amongst Ukrainians may be far thinner than even we think. The farce continues to evolve...

Nikolle the "pro imperialst" will however tell us that this is all just a "conspiracy theory" - right Nikolle? Have you stopped digging yet? Pick up the shovel again and tell us the Estonian FM, a member of the enlightened NATO and EU inner circle, is a liar too.

But RT are presenting to their viewers/ audience that the alleged tape is concrete evidence that the opposition ordered for their own protesters to be shot. What a load of BS! There is no evidence, only a conspiracy theory put together by Yanukovych's party.
(Ian, UK, 6 March 2014 12:28)

IanUK still being dishonest. Well done! You can get a job with the UK state funded broadcaster, the BBC. You've got the credentials.

Meanwhile the doctor actually did say she had seen bodies from both sides;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eiZERkECI

I am sceptical about this article. Russia Today is a government-controlled website and we know the Russian government is not friendly with the new authorities (to put it lightly), and it looks like a Soviet-era Pravda-style attempt to discredit the new government. It's literally like reading communist era media from before the 90's.

I would like to see confirmation of this from an independent and objective source, not Western NWO-controlled media, not conspiracy websites and not Russian crypto-communist-controlled media before I believe it to be true. Putin also accused Poland and Lithuania of housing and training Maidan protesters, which I find a really desperate and frankly, pathetic attempt to point the finger at anyone else, other than Yanukovich and his authorities. Or like the whole "Ossetian genocide" BS story, where apparently 2,000 Ossetians died as a result of Georgian military actions, when it was later confirmed at 160.

So until confirmed elsewhere, I am not buying this story.

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci0rLgJ8z2w

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

[link]

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?
(Ian, UK, 5 March 2014 19:31)

Come on, out of the closet. It's been confirmed by the Estonian FM himself. Your 'analysis' is a joke. English being your native clearly doesn't help so that only leave your overriding personal bias.

Reading the Milosevic press is just as reliable as reading RT - exactly as reliable. What a coincidence...

Roberto frisco

Haha - just checking you were out there Nikolle - tick.

And we have confirmation again (without prompting) that you are a proud, self declared "pro imperialist" ... completely baffling that someone would WANT that label, but there you go.

.. So as you were saying about the Estonian FM being a liar? .. no words of wisdom for us?

"'ve listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:"

No shame from IanUK. Doesn't even address his complete failure of his claim above. He never admits being wrong even when proved so. Such a keyboard warrior. Keep digging big boy!

Peter Sudyka, you are to be commended for your desire to seek the truth, regardless of where it may take you.
I don't always agree with you but I certainly respect you.
(Roger7, 6 March 2014 02:43)

Certainly. Now here is a practical question. I don't think anyone did not see the documentary about the treasures Yanukovich did accumulate in his villa. This is far beyond what anyone can describe as "reasonable". That guy is a major thief at best and of course he remained a criminal since his youth. Just look at the comments he "generated" from both Russians and Ukrainians. All that treasure was stolen within few years.

Is he guilty for many deaths on Maidan? I just can't imagine him being innocent.

OK.Now let's see the "other" side. This story revels a lot. I can't imagine these "democrats" being innocent either. What happened here is that a legit protest and the "revolution" was stolen by "banderists" and it became nazi-brown long ago.

That means that both sides are horribly wrong and Ukraine is facing a tragedy because no matter who prevails, a criminal will prevail. Not my idea - but it is probably right - that the opposition missed a golden chance to distantiate from the nazi-nationalist-banderist gang - and that is a deadly mistake. By not doing what they had to do they gave Putin a legit reason to intervene. And that screwed things even furhter. Remember: from anyone here I am the least "Putinist", (less than Roberto or Peter Sudyka) if that is possible.

nonsense. already Russia is trying to discredit the movement. if this was true, it begs the question why Yanukovich's army/henchmen/police didn't move on the Kiev snipers to protect its citizens. laughable what RT reports
(Nikolle, 5 March 2014 15:40)

Every single media is reporting it and the minister and Ashton confirmed that its true but according to you its false right?

Russian hoax, as usual. Just as the lie that the 204th brigade surrendered. Actually, I expected such a dirt job coming from the KGB-FSB, but it took very long to make that fake. You can do better than that, Vlad.

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

[link]

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?
(Ian, UK, 5 March 2014 19:31)

Ian, you are right - it was Princess Lea Organa, she was talking with me about how big is the egg in my face. It was yummy.

Do you believe in Santa, btw?

Haha! Use this convo to bring back Yanukovich or maybe the Soviet army in Kiev.. Hey, proud Ukrainians, the Russians will protect your freedom, believe that.
I only believe that Mr. Putin would relocate the entire Europe to Siberia if he had the power to do so...
And yeah, the politicians would kill their own people, their own kids (if necessary) to achieve their goals. This truth is valid in all the countries. But dont use this tragedy as an excuse to invade Ukraine... The Russian politicians are not better than any others. Or if they are, then let them serve the Russians, not the Ukrainians or the whole world...
Hey, Mr. Putin, we dont want the Russian tanks bring us your "fairy", "siberian" justice.
One more thing: those people died for freedom, this is all that matters. They believed in freedom of Ukraine. I hope those responsible for their suffering will pay.

""Kiev snipers hired by Ukraine opposition leaders"

So, what was this about?! Somebody who had told somebody else that they had heard rumors about the above and Ashton saying that, if there are such rumors, they should be investigated. So, where is the news here?! We've been seeing these rumors for many weeks now... can somebody actually provide some evidence ?

Just asking because my grandmother also told me that an Ukranian friend of her had been told by her aunt in Ukraine that an alien spacecraft with an American flag had been spotted by her sister above Kiev throwing thousands of dollars at the people who were protesting. Since the above perfectly fits the conspiracy theories of our dear Serbian friends, I'm sure it's going to be immediately believed :)

If the recording it true, the only news here is for those naive people who were astonished about Snowden's revelations as if that were not something that Russia and others are also doing.

I apologize for using logic Daniel. Believing this garbage, means you have to believe that Yanukovich's police, saw their colleagues break rank and decided not to stop them.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 13:16)

They didnt see anything, snipers were hidden and shot people from rooftops and the police had enough to do with protecting themselves and normal civilians from these fasist hooligans financed by the EU and the US to overthrow a legally voted president. Try to take off your pro-american glasses for once in a while maybe you will see the real truth. There are a lot of links on the internet showing how these fasist attack police and other ukrainians that do not side with them but for you that is as only russian propaganda right? Everything that doesnt suit your opinion is russian propaganda, aint that funny?

Even when the Estonian minister and Ashton declare that the tape is real and that the conversation took place you label it as russian propaganda, you are such a joke.

USA brings back that Dnepropetrovsk mafia which ruled Ukraine in last 20 years. Nobody wants Timoshenko and Co. back. They are convenient puppies for USA and EU. Let us see the results of elections. There will be another revolution if they win.

Estonian FM say "the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides". This is true cos euromaiden take guns from ukranian police to defend themselves so same guns used.

estonian FM say he talk with lady ashton about snipers in ukraine but he didnt say tape was real. He say he wait to until he "sees recording". He say "I don’t know whether my phone or the one belonging to Ashton was tapped". http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Estonia-confirms-authenticity-of-Paet-Ashton-conversation-on-Kiev-snipers-0339/

russsian lies

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 21:05)

The well known Dohány street mentality.

The well known Dohány street mentality.
(szemi, 5 March 2014 23:43)

Szemi, I think that yummy egg was 100% from a kó-sertés. Kosertés brings kosher eggs for the Easter.

(Owned!, 6 March 2014 10:01)

Incorrect. Urmas Paet confirmed that he had a phone conversation with Cathy Ashton after he visited Kiev, where he met with many groups, including Putin's/ Yanukovych's 'Party of Regions' who told him some conspiracy theories. Paet has also confirmed that he yet to "see" the 'alleged tape'.

Anyway, lets say for arguments sake that this alleged 'leaked tape' is real, what does it prove? Nothing. All it would prove is that the 'Party of Regions' told Paet a conspiracy theory and that Paet mentioned the Party of Region's conspiracy theory to Ashton in a phone conversation.

Yes, the same guns were probably used on both parties as it is common knowledge that Euromaiden during the February Revolution took guns and sniper rifles from Yanukovych's henchmen, so that they could fight back and defend themselves. Yes, the coalition government won't be investigating the conspiracy theories coined up by Putin's and Yanukovych's 'Part of Region', because they Coalition Government have much bigger things on their plate at this moment in time such as Putin's invasion of Ukraine. But RT are presenting to their viewers/ audience that the alleged tape is concrete evidence that the opposition ordered for their own protesters to be shot. What a load of BS! There is no evidence, only a conspiracy theory put together by Yanukovych's party.

@commentator

I notice though, that in my exchanges with you, you never deny to being pro-Russian expansion in Ukraine either, so that makes you a pro-imperialist as well. you only engage in hypocrisy, whereas i do not hide behind double standards, i am unashamedly pro-west. as for this particular nonsense, have replied 3 times to it already, if you can't be bothered to read, i can't be bothered to go through it again

have already replied to this nonsense. tell me, why didn't the Yanokuvich police intervene when it saw some of its soldiers breaking rank by shooting?

Once again ur creating a truth that fits ur opinion. The ones that were shooting and killing civilians were not ukrainian soldiers but members of the extremistic right wing party Svoboda that were armed and financed by Eu and the US, who ever mentioned that the snipers were soldiers? Are you out of your mind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcKPUqTMrJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2HCJQV5OC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pST_oOK-cdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcpR779Kx0

The details are coming to light...

'According to the article, other documents reveal the best spots for snipers near the monument in Kyiv’s downtown Pechersk district, a fact that would confirm that Yanukovych ordered the shooting of protesters, an accusation that the former president has denied.'

http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/24802/yanukovych-leaks-corrupt-violent-regime

@commentator
I have already replied to this nonsense. tell me, why didn't the Yanokuvich police intervene when it saw some of its soldiers breaking rank by shooting? conspiracy theories like this one, are easy to debunk. as for me being a pro-imperialist, i have never pretended not to be pro-west. you, like many others here, portray yourselves as anti-imperialist, but you're not. you cheer Russian expansion in Ukraine, how this makes you anti-imperial is unknown to me.

IanUK still being dishonest. Well done! You can get a job with the UK state funded broadcaster, the BBC. You've got the credentials.

Meanwhile the doctor actually did say she had seen bodies from both sides;

[link]
(Here's a larger spade, 6 March 2014 12:48)

And? What is that meant to prove?

A Doctor saw bodies from both sides... this is probably because people from both sides died and Doctors and other medical people went to help.

It proves that you - are hard of hearing, or can't discern the differences in your spoken language, or you lie.

It proves that you are full of bull.
(Roger7, 6 March 2014 14:30)

Thanks for your intellectual comprehensive response... NOT!

this is what people who believe this nonsense, have to also believe. that the Ukrainian army, saw some soldiers breaking ranks by shooting at protesters and decided not to intervene to stop them. this allegation is the biggest pile of nonsense to have come out of this conflict thus far. actually, not the biggest, that is still the belief that protesters were paid $30.00 per head to go out and riot

the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.

Video of opposition on the street being shot in the back from Hotel Ukraine, held by pro-opposition forces:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567#S1Ax8Oih73Rc5uGM.99

rote

Given that Poland/Ukraine is considered the Slavic ureheimat, I believe you should rather have said that Russians are practically Poles. ;)

But in all seriousness, I would prefer a Pan-European alliance from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from Hammerfest to Palermo any day than the yanks sticking their noses into European affairs.

It is unfortunate that historical circumstances have divided people that should be closer than ever in these times of globalization.

rote

I have yet to see evidence that Poland and Lithuania trained the "people operating in Kiev". Just because Putin said so, doesn't make it true.

On the other hand, I am not saying it's impossible. The West have have a known history of such operations against Russia in the form of Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip, but for this accusation, there is no proof or documentation to prove it (either "yet" or "at all" at this point).

I apologize for using logic Daniel. Believing this garbage, means you have to believe that Yanukovich's police, saw their colleagues break rank and decided not to stop them.

the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 16:21)

Haha well of course people that are behind police lines are POLICE that are trying to defend themselves from being shot at. These that were behind police lines as you say were shooting AT the snipers in order to protect themselves and ordinary ukrainians from these fasist scumbags. You got it all wrong sweetie-pie but its no idea to try to explain to someone as narrowminded as yourself. You already made up your opinion of who the bad guys are Before it even started. According to you Everything that is pro-western is the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 16:21)
fa
Try to use ur logic for once, these people behind the police lines were POLICE officers that were shooting AT the snipers trying to defend themselves and ordinary ukrainians from these western-financed fasists. Sweetie-pie you got it all wrong but its no idea trying to explain it to you since according to you everything that the us and eu do is right and everything that prooves the russians are right is propaganda.

Nikolle this video prooves you are totally wrong. Ukrainian video by the way according to the text.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567#S1Ax8Oih73Rc5uGM.99

"Reading the Milosevic press is just as reliable as reading RT - exactly as reliable. What a coincidence...

Roberto frisco
roberto"

Yawn. Not a coincidence that the wanna-be journalist, roberto, has no credibility.

nonsense. already Russia is trying to discredit the movement. if this was true, it begs the question why Yanukovich's army/henchmen/police didn't move on the Kiev snipers to protect its citizens. laughable what RT reports

If you want to hear real BS, listen to the "Voice of Russia". Not even Stalin`s propaganda machine worked better!

I am sceptical about this article. Russia Today is a government-controlled website and we know the Russian government is not friendly with the new authorities (to put it lightly), and it looks like a Soviet-era Pravda-style attempt to discredit the new government. It's literally like reading communist era media from before the 90's.

I would like to see confirmation of this from an independent and objective source, not Western NWO-controlled media, not conspiracy websites and not Russian crypto-communist-controlled media before I believe it to be true. Putin also accused Poland and Lithuania of housing and training Maidan protesters, which I find a really desperate and frankly, pathetic attempt to point the finger at anyone else, other than Yanukovich and his authorities. Or like the whole "Ossetian genocide" BS story, where apparently 2,000 Ossetians died as a result of Georgian military actions, when it was later confirmed at 160.

So until confirmed elsewhere, I am not buying this story.

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci0rLgJ8z2w

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?

Russian hoax, as usual. Just as the lie that the 204th brigade surrendered. Actually, I expected such a dirt job coming from the KGB-FSB, but it took very long to make that fake. You can do better than that, Vlad.

Reading the Milosevic press is just as reliable as reading RT - exactly as reliable. What a coincidence...

Roberto frisco

Michael Thomas

I would certainly be more willing to believe that it was Israeli or American snipers throwing fuel into the fire before I would believe that it was someone hired by the new authorities to fire on their very own protesters.

But as I say, I stand open to this theory and agree it is certainly not too far-fetched at all (with America, we have seen that EVERYTHING is possible and NO ONE is more lying, conniving and manipulative than the yanks are), I just want to see an independent source, preferably not Russian, who also have had some extremely dubious actions and justifications therefore, historically speaking.

Eat it posted something in Estonian. I will run this through google translate.

Haha! Use this convo to bring back Yanukovich or maybe the Soviet army in Kiev.. Hey, proud Ukrainians, the Russians will protect your freedom, believe that.
I only believe that Mr. Putin would relocate the entire Europe to Siberia if he had the power to do so...
And yeah, the politicians would kill their own people, their own kids (if necessary) to achieve their goals. This truth is valid in all the countries. But dont use this tragedy as an excuse to invade Ukraine... The Russian politicians are not better than any others. Or if they are, then let them serve the Russians, not the Ukrainians or the whole world...
Hey, Mr. Putin, we dont want the Russian tanks bring us your "fairy", "siberian" justice.
One more thing: those people died for freedom, this is all that matters. They believed in freedom of Ukraine. I hope those responsible for their suffering will pay.

It proves that you - are hard of hearing, or can't discern the differences in your spoken language, or you lie.

It proves that you are full of bull.
(Roger7, 6 March 2014 14:30)

Thanks for your intellectual comprehensive response... NOT!

Wow. Good work by Russian intelligence to pick up this conversation! It looks like the CIA's dirty business to stir up a revolution and install their puppets. Textbook. This is just like the 'Breadline Massacre, 'Markale Massacre', and 'Racak Massacre' - which were all completely staged and used as excuses to illegal bomb Serbs. It is very evident who the real criminals are, the truth is coming out. Once again, excellent work Mr. Putin and company.
Cheers!!

@commentator
I have already replied to this nonsense. tell me, why didn't the Yanokuvich police intervene when it saw some of its soldiers breaking rank by shooting? conspiracy theories like this one, are easy to debunk. as for me being a pro-imperialist, i have never pretended not to be pro-west. you, like many others here, portray yourselves as anti-imperialist, but you're not. you cheer Russian expansion in Ukraine, how this makes you anti-imperial is unknown to me.

@commentator

I notice though, that in my exchanges with you, you never deny to being pro-Russian expansion in Ukraine either, so that makes you a pro-imperialist as well. you only engage in hypocrisy, whereas i do not hide behind double standards, i am unashamedly pro-west. as for this particular nonsense, have replied 3 times to it already, if you can't be bothered to read, i can't be bothered to go through it again

Wow, those dirty dirty neo-nazi scoundrels. I don't think most Serbs will be surprised. We experienced these dirty tactics ourselves. NATO organised terrorists and jihadists killing their own and blaming it on Serbs.

Let the truth come out so those Nazis are exposed. Not really surprised Albanians support these lowlifes.

Nothing on BBC either.

(Owned!, 6 March 2014 10:01)

Incorrect. Urmas Paet confirmed that he had a phone conversation with Cathy Ashton after he visited Kiev, where he met with many groups, including Putin's/ Yanukovych's 'Party of Regions' who told him some conspiracy theories. Paet has also confirmed that he yet to "see" the 'alleged tape'.

Anyway, lets say for arguments sake that this alleged 'leaked tape' is real, what does it prove? Nothing. All it would prove is that the 'Party of Regions' told Paet a conspiracy theory and that Paet mentioned the Party of Region's conspiracy theory to Ashton in a phone conversation.

Yes, the same guns were probably used on both parties as it is common knowledge that Euromaiden during the February Revolution took guns and sniper rifles from Yanukovych's henchmen, so that they could fight back and defend themselves. Yes, the coalition government won't be investigating the conspiracy theories coined up by Putin's and Yanukovych's 'Part of Region', because they Coalition Government have much bigger things on their plate at this moment in time such as Putin's invasion of Ukraine. But RT are presenting to their viewers/ audience that the alleged tape is concrete evidence that the opposition ordered for their own protesters to be shot. What a load of BS! There is no evidence, only a conspiracy theory put together by Yanukovych's party.

IanUK still being dishonest. Well done! You can get a job with the UK state funded broadcaster, the BBC. You've got the credentials.

Meanwhile the doctor actually did say she had seen bodies from both sides;

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(Here's a larger spade, 6 March 2014 12:48)

And? What is that meant to prove?

A Doctor saw bodies from both sides... this is probably because people from both sides died and Doctors and other medical people went to help.

So until confirmed elsewhere, I am not buying this story.
(Peter Sudyka, 5 March 2014 15:57)

What exactly are you “not buying?” There are many photos and TV clips of “protestors” firing sniper rifles. Have you seen these? Do you believe they were faked?

I believe the masked “protestor” snipers shot and killed many police. I don’t know if they killed real protestors as well, but this doesn’t sound too farfetched to me. The Americans admit they spent $5 billion organising the putsch. If it’s success was threatened in any way, do you really doubt that they would order shooting to give themselves a pretext to seize power? These snipers probably weren’t Ukrainian; more likely American, British or Israeli.

this is what people who believe this nonsense, have to also believe. that the Ukrainian army, saw some soldiers breaking ranks by shooting at protesters and decided not to intervene to stop them. this allegation is the biggest pile of nonsense to have come out of this conflict thus far. actually, not the biggest, that is still the belief that protesters were paid $30.00 per head to go out and riot

Absolutely amazing the denials from Nikolle and Peter. You don't have to read the article but listen to the conversation. Here it is -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

Listen and you will hear the Estonian foreign minister confirm that those in the fake parliament in Ukraine have dirty backgrounds, with a confirmation from Ashton. In this case, it's very easy for the CIA to make them co-operate, much like the dirty backgrounds of those leading "Kosovahhh"*.

You will also hear him state that he was informed the same style sniper was killing both protestors and police. The sniper style and bullets were the same as a medical professional confirmed. That it was not Yanukovich that ordered it but some from the Maiden. Catherine Ashton also not denying it. The Estonian foreign minister then asking why an investigation is not being conducted?

Now for all those naysayers, instead of supporting fascist actions, you can simple support an international investigation so the real truth comes out. We are listening to a conversation between two officials of NATO countries and the EU. We are NOT listening to Russia talking to China.

Absolutely amazing what some people will deny when evidence is put straight in their faces. They are in fact supporting the deaths of innocent people with their denials.

The details are coming to light...

'According to the article, other documents reveal the best spots for snipers near the monument in Kyiv’s downtown Pechersk district, a fact that would confirm that Yanukovych ordered the shooting of protesters, an accusation that the former president has denied.'

http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/24802/yanukovych-leaks-corrupt-violent-regime

Estonian FM say "the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides". This is true cos euromaiden take guns from ukranian police to defend themselves so same guns used.

estonian FM say he talk with lady ashton about snipers in ukraine but he didnt say tape was real. He say he wait to until he "sees recording". He say "I don’t know whether my phone or the one belonging to Ashton was tapped". http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Estonia-confirms-authenticity-of-Paet-Ashton-conversation-on-Kiev-snipers-0339/

russsian lies

""Kiev snipers hired by Ukraine opposition leaders"

So, what was this about?! Somebody who had told somebody else that they had heard rumors about the above and Ashton saying that, if there are such rumors, they should be investigated. So, where is the news here?! We've been seeing these rumors for many weeks now... can somebody actually provide some evidence ?

Just asking because my grandmother also told me that an Ukranian friend of her had been told by her aunt in Ukraine that an alien spacecraft with an American flag had been spotted by her sister above Kiev throwing thousands of dollars at the people who were protesting. Since the above perfectly fits the conspiracy theories of our dear Serbian friends, I'm sure it's going to be immediately believed :)

If the recording it true, the only news here is for those naive people who were astonished about Snowden's revelations as if that were not something that Russia and others are also doing.

Well, I stand corrected in any case. I see it now in my usual independent media sources. In fact, it's now even in British and American media.

In any case, that will certainly undermine their trust in their own people and put a big question mark as to what the protesters actually fought for.

Once again, the West with an egg in their face.

I apologize for using logic Daniel. Believing this garbage, means you have to believe that Yanukovich's police, saw their colleagues break rank and decided not to stop them.

Converstaion confirmed by the Estonian FM himself.

http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/urmas-paeti-konet-el-valisteenistuse-juhi-ashtoniga-kuulati-pealt.d?id=68176199

cooked up in the kitchen of 'the leaders of the free world!!' Or the one which always makes me laugh the self proclaimed 'international community' or 'coalition of the willing' hahahaha. Unbelievable, murdering innocent people for their global agenda and running propaganda on their controlled mass media. What a world we live in.

what Paet says is true, soon they will admit that recognizing islamo-mafia statelet was a huge mistake and KiM must be go under Serbia' s Government control!

(Zoran, 5 March 2014 17:40)

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.

Peter Sudyka

Don’t be shy and just tell the truth that most likely the snipers came from the states that had trained and financed the Nazi for years. Up to now there’s evidence of 3 suspects. They are Lithuania , Poland and Deutschland (uber alles !) whose officers were doing the dirty job. As you do know the training camps were located in Poland in Lithuania and Galitsis. Meanwhile according to Nuland her country financed it all for USD 5 Bln. As she said “to move forward democracy in Ukraine”. The sources of info are the multiple Nazi captives that we have in the east. You must be the only man on the continent who still doubts about all this. What is the news for you ?

Good campaign ! Two ex-Nazi states and their victim state that has lost 6 million are cooperateing to build a neo-Nazi state in Europe. Your AK grandfather would be shocked. Even AK wouldn’t imagine such a hybrid . On one hand your mass media fight severe and long lasting war against the Baltic fascists and on the other you cooperate them training together Pole killer Benderasts to shoot and cry their damned Siege Hail. Then instead of begging our pardon you come here and teach us how to live.

PS By the way Israel is the first state of the western world to stand by our side about the Ukrainian. Concerning triple standards they are nothing better than the rest of the west. But they never play games with brown color coz most often it is either a pure sh*t or a Nazi b*stard.

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

[link]

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?
(Ian, UK, 5 March 2014 19:31)

Ian, you are right - it was Princess Lea Organa, she was talking with me about how big is the egg in my face. It was yummy.

Do you believe in Santa, btw?

Haha - just checking you were out there Nikolle - tick.

And we have confirmation again (without prompting) that you are a proud, self declared "pro imperialist" ... completely baffling that someone would WANT that label, but there you go.

.. So as you were saying about the Estonian FM being a liar? .. no words of wisdom for us?

Ian, UK said, "Anyway, lets say for arguments sake that this alleged 'leaked tape' is real, what does it prove?

It proves that you - are hard of hearing, or can't discern the differences in your spoken language, or you lie.

It proves that you are full of bull.

Reuters is reporting that Estonia has acknowledged the phone conversation between their Prime Minister and Ashton.

Peter Sudyka, you are to be commended for your desire to seek the truth, regardless of where it may take you.
I don't always agree with you but I certainly respect you.

rote

I have yet to see evidence that Poland and Lithuania trained the "people operating in Kiev". Just because Putin said so, doesn't make it true.

On the other hand, I am not saying it's impossible. The West have have a known history of such operations against Russia in the form of Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip, but for this accusation, there is no proof or documentation to prove it (either "yet" or "at all" at this point).

Whatever RT reports, the opposite is the truth!

I've listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:

[link]

RT is a propaganda machine financed and run by the Kremlin. Need I say more?
(Ian, UK, 5 March 2014 19:31)

Come on, out of the closet. It's been confirmed by the Estonian FM himself. Your 'analysis' is a joke. English being your native clearly doesn't help so that only leave your overriding personal bias.

Well this just takes the cake doesn't it?

This has come out in the western press, but you have to dig deep to find it, they prefer of course mindless slander against Putin as the headline still.

The audacity of the media's collaboration is incredible.

I'll give you another example... 2 days ago on BBC they were reporting "protests by Ukrainians" in front of the Russia embassy in Kiev demanding a "stop to the aggression" etc... looked impressive from the close ups, problem is, at the end of the report, the camera man (mistakenly no doubt) gave us a shot from across the street and for one second it was plain as day there were MAXIMUM of 10 people there.

Support for the coup amongst Ukrainians may be far thinner than even we think. The farce continues to evolve...

Nikolle the "pro imperialst" will however tell us that this is all just a "conspiracy theory" - right Nikolle? Have you stopped digging yet? Pick up the shovel again and tell us the Estonian FM, a member of the enlightened NATO and EU inner circle, is a liar too.

rote

Given that Poland/Ukraine is considered the Slavic ureheimat, I believe you should rather have said that Russians are practically Poles. ;)

But in all seriousness, I would prefer a Pan-European alliance from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from Hammerfest to Palermo any day than the yanks sticking their noses into European affairs.

It is unfortunate that historical circumstances have divided people that should be closer than ever in these times of globalization.

"Reading the Milosevic press is just as reliable as reading RT - exactly as reliable. What a coincidence...

Roberto frisco
roberto"

Yawn. Not a coincidence that the wanna-be journalist, roberto, has no credibility.

USA brings back that Dnepropetrovsk mafia which ruled Ukraine in last 20 years. Nobody wants Timoshenko and Co. back. They are convenient puppies for USA and EU. Let us see the results of elections. There will be another revolution if they win.

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 21:05)

The well known Dohány street mentality.

One thing certain Zoran is we won't see the CNN or the BBC playing the Ashton tape because it would destroy their anti-Russian agenda.How can anyone take those EU sociopaths seriously? They lie about everything and are rotten to the core.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 21:05)
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So true Leonidas. It just goes to show how they keep the public ignorant of their evil deeds. This should cause an international outcry and start an independent investigation so we can get to the real truth but instead, what we hear from Ashton's office is they don't comment on phone hacks and from the US they criticise Russia for their methods but nothing to investigate the murder of 70 protestors and police? It just shows their real intentions.

Honestly though, it's not surprising. We have seen KLA terrorists and organ snatchers elected as leaders, witnesses murdered and crimes covered up. What ever happened to the organ snatching investigation being conducted by the US? Somehow they can conclude an investigation against their opponents in a day but it takes years when it comes to their puppets.

Oh dear Ian you small minded and blinded little man you are... The Estonian even admitted he said but tried to back turn on it! Which he cant as its clearly said it wasn't the government at the times doing... If i was you id stop watching BBC and the rest its making you come over like a clown!

But RT are presenting to their viewers/ audience that the alleged tape is concrete evidence that the opposition ordered for their own protesters to be shot. What a load of BS! There is no evidence, only a conspiracy theory put together by Yanukovych's party.
(Ian, UK, 6 March 2014 12:28)

IanUK still being dishonest. Well done! You can get a job with the UK state funded broadcaster, the BBC. You've got the credentials.

Meanwhile the doctor actually did say she had seen bodies from both sides;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eiZERkECI

PETER

“I have yet to see evidence that Poland and Lithuania trained the "people operating in Kiev". Just because Putin said so, doesn't make it true.”

Not Putin but the prisoners of Maidan we have today. Also I saw a film from Lituania where the commandant of such a camp tells the truth. I guess it’s available in the web. They are walking along the camp and Lithuanian confesses of how it was arranged and how many years lasted. The west can be stopped by force only. They have neither morality nor shame nor even any religion soon. You Poles have joined the bastards. My compassion …

I think we’ll enter Ukraine 20-23 March. At least I would do so. Peter for Russia it’s a war but the west is still trying to calculate what is better for them. Money and colonialism are the only things that they really care. I would say that they have colonial countries even inside their EU. I believe that today’s Russia could be a better partner for Poland. To say nothing of the Y-DNA and the Happlogroup of yours that are almost Russian. Besides out of the big powers we are most honest one.

have already replied to this nonsense. tell me, why didn't the Yanokuvich police intervene when it saw some of its soldiers breaking rank by shooting?

Once again ur creating a truth that fits ur opinion. The ones that were shooting and killing civilians were not ukrainian soldiers but members of the extremistic right wing party Svoboda that were armed and financed by Eu and the US, who ever mentioned that the snipers were soldiers? Are you out of your mind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcKPUqTMrJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2HCJQV5OC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pST_oOK-cdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcpR779Kx0

the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.

"'ve listen to that so-called "leaked phone conversation" in full and the woman speaking is not Catherine Ashton. She has a vaguely similar sounding voice, but her accent is wrong. The lady in the so-called "leaked tape" has a more Southern English accent. However if you watch this video, you can clearly hear Catherine Ashton pronounce words with a subtle Lancashire accent, which the lady in the "leaked tape" doesn't have:"

No shame from IanUK. Doesn't even address his complete failure of his claim above. He never admits being wrong even when proved so. Such a keyboard warrior. Keep digging big boy!

Peter Sudyka, you are to be commended for your desire to seek the truth, regardless of where it may take you.
I don't always agree with you but I certainly respect you.
(Roger7, 6 March 2014 02:43)

Certainly. Now here is a practical question. I don't think anyone did not see the documentary about the treasures Yanukovich did accumulate in his villa. This is far beyond what anyone can describe as "reasonable". That guy is a major thief at best and of course he remained a criminal since his youth. Just look at the comments he "generated" from both Russians and Ukrainians. All that treasure was stolen within few years.

Is he guilty for many deaths on Maidan? I just can't imagine him being innocent.

OK.Now let's see the "other" side. This story revels a lot. I can't imagine these "democrats" being innocent either. What happened here is that a legit protest and the "revolution" was stolen by "banderists" and it became nazi-brown long ago.

That means that both sides are horribly wrong and Ukraine is facing a tragedy because no matter who prevails, a criminal will prevail. Not my idea - but it is probably right - that the opposition missed a golden chance to distantiate from the nazi-nationalist-banderist gang - and that is a deadly mistake. By not doing what they had to do they gave Putin a legit reason to intervene. And that screwed things even furhter. Remember: from anyone here I am the least "Putinist", (less than Roberto or Peter Sudyka) if that is possible.

the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 16:21)

Haha well of course people that are behind police lines are POLICE that are trying to defend themselves from being shot at. These that were behind police lines as you say were shooting AT the snipers in order to protect themselves and ordinary ukrainians from these fasist scumbags. You got it all wrong sweetie-pie but its no idea to try to explain to someone as narrowminded as yourself. You already made up your opinion of who the bad guys are Before it even started. According to you Everything that is pro-western is the snipers were hidden? sunshine, go to the guardian website, date feb 27 and you can see an actual video of these people BEHIND police lines.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 16:21)
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Try to use ur logic for once, these people behind the police lines were POLICE officers that were shooting AT the snipers trying to defend themselves and ordinary ukrainians from these western-financed fasists. Sweetie-pie you got it all wrong but its no idea trying to explain it to you since according to you everything that the us and eu do is right and everything that prooves the russians are right is propaganda.

Nikolle this video prooves you are totally wrong. Ukrainian video by the way according to the text.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567#S1Ax8Oih73Rc5uGM.99

The well known Dohány street mentality.
(szemi, 5 March 2014 23:43)

Szemi, I think that yummy egg was 100% from a kó-sertés. Kosertés brings kosher eggs for the Easter.

nonsense. already Russia is trying to discredit the movement. if this was true, it begs the question why Yanukovich's army/henchmen/police didn't move on the Kiev snipers to protect its citizens. laughable what RT reports
(Nikolle, 5 March 2014 15:40)

Every single media is reporting it and the minister and Ashton confirmed that its true but according to you its false right?

I apologize for using logic Daniel. Believing this garbage, means you have to believe that Yanukovich's police, saw their colleagues break rank and decided not to stop them.
(Nikolle, 7 March 2014 13:16)

They didnt see anything, snipers were hidden and shot people from rooftops and the police had enough to do with protecting themselves and normal civilians from these fasist hooligans financed by the EU and the US to overthrow a legally voted president. Try to take off your pro-american glasses for once in a while maybe you will see the real truth. There are a lot of links on the internet showing how these fasist attack police and other ukrainians that do not side with them but for you that is as only russian propaganda right? Everything that doesnt suit your opinion is russian propaganda, aint that funny?

Even when the Estonian minister and Ashton declare that the tape is real and that the conversation took place you label it as russian propaganda, you are such a joke.

Video of opposition on the street being shot in the back from Hotel Ukraine, held by pro-opposition forces:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567#S1Ax8Oih73Rc5uGM.99