Russian troops to remain "until situation normalizes"

Ukraine can kiss Crimea goodbye. That is their punishment for overthrowing a government undemocratically and attempting to assassinate the president. They agreed to form a unity government to negotiate a settlement peacefully but instead listened to western aggressors and went with the coup d'etat option.

Putin wasn't selected the world's most powerful person for nothing. He has shown amazing ability in Crimea. He managed to take the whole region, have the police, army and navy pledge allegience to the local authority without a shot being fired. He has also shown the world the risks of these so-called revolutions. You risk having your country torn apart and siding with the west these days is risky business. No wonder Brussels and Washington are outraged, their whole sphere of influence is being torn apart by Putin. Well done, it's about time someone put an end to the aggression coming from the west.

As I have mentioned before. The line has been drawn in Syria and now in Ukraine. Russia will not invade unless those idiots in Kiev provoke a conflict and move the army into the eastern Russian parts. Best thing to do now is negotiate peace. There is no chance the eastern part will submit to Kiev. Now is the time to talk about a federation of two highly autonomous regions with Crimea gone by the end of the month. If those idiots in Kiev have aggressive intentions then they will lose a lot more than just the east.

No comments from serb nationalists here?
Is Ukraine's territorial integrity important or when Russia is in question, rules change?

EU foreign ministers gathered in Brussels on Monday for an emergency meeting to formulate a joint response to the Ukrainian crisis, but even before the the meeting took place it became clear that there were deep divisions within the EU when it came to the approach to Russia.

I bet Putin is shaking in his boots and about to wet himself waiting for the EU committee of pointless pontificators to come to a decision on the wording how to stop buying his gas & vodka.The main difference here is Russia has a leader in Putin who's been around the block few times whereas the EU has committees of useless windbags the likes of Cashton,Barroso and Van Rompui who can't even agree on how to construct a sentence, let alone run the various sovereign nations of Europe over which they have assumed absolute control and are hoping to get control of Putin's ships to boot.Although Western leaders and press try to paint Putin as the villain, the average Joe can see straight through their lies.So unless the EU actually wants a war (a question worth asking)then save us all the hot air, everyone go home and enjoy your super-inflated salaries and pensions,game over really.

Hi "montenegran" whatever that is. We serb nationalists love and respect our canonical Orthodox brothers in the Ukraine and Russia. It is our wish that there is peace amongst the Orthodox, and that they work their problems out. It is our wish that the western Ukrainian facists who overthrew a Democaratically elected and recognized Government are jailed or forced to flee to their eu puppet masters, and that Ukraines Borders, and Soverignty return to their legal and recognized control as soon as the situation normalizes, and the facists cannot attack minorites anymore. I also think it is appropriate that Russia and Ukraine settle their differences once and enjoy good neighborly relations.

It is our fervernt hope that both Democracy, law, legal order, and self rule are restored in the Ukraine as soon as possible.

Albanian, the precedent for territorial integrity has been set in "Kosovahhh"*** It doesn't exist.

Zoran, Ukraine's president opened fire on, and killed 70 people, then fled. That is the end of the arguement for me.

Russian gas giant Gazprom announced that it does not exclude the possibility of a disruption in gas supplies to Europe because of the political situation in Ukraine, but announced that it will continue to invest in export-oriented activities, such the South Stream pipeline, the Russian media reported.

F... Gasprom, they think they will hold democracy & the EU hostage? This Russian aggression, should also serve as a motive, for the EU to secure its natural gas supplies from other sources, it may cost more short term, but long term the benefits would be enormous, both economically & politically! Better then depending on someone that is capable of stabbing you when you turn your back!

"...western aggressors..."

there's nothing funnier than when people are so blinded by ideology and dogma that they can not see straight. sunshine, i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me

If I was to tell you that I have contacts in Ukraine would you believe me? Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer. Its pretty obvious where my 'sources' come from, the news. not all of us have as broad a network as sj
(Nikolle, 5 March 2014 10:09)

I guessed so.It is of course stupid for someone to challenge your unsubstantiated idiotic statements.Next time when you f..t make sure no one is around.

@Leonidas: sunshine, it wasn't just in Kiev they were protesting. if others in other cities had held rallies in support of Yanukovich, I would have grounds to believe you. truth is very simple, they didn't.
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 15:07)

What are your sources to support your claim?

the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority, had they been a minority, they wouldn't have succeeded. its really simple logic. if what you say is true, you'd have seen pro-Mosoc rallies in Kiev, you haven't. we have seen pro-EU ones however
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 13:59)

The 100000 protesters in Kiev are the majority in a 50 million nation,are they not?What about my second point on the agreement or you haven't got a point of view?

@ Montenegrin

You are absolutely right. Russia by doing this it's just helping our cause. For that we thank Russia. By the way how can Russia any longer say Syria can't be attacked/invaded?

I'm not confused at all Nikolle... now you are saying that you ARE an imperialist lol ("I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist").

The more you comment, the better it gets .... best to get of the high horse, or change topics while you still can.

Peter Sudyka, 4 March 2014 11:18

Good comment but Putin that I know is not an imperialist. He just gathers the Russian lands. And if he have to step back be sure he means something. I am pleased we don’t fight our own people but the started provocations of the Kiev controlled troops in Crimea make me feel bad. Seems that the Yanks too got an idea of how to spoil the referendum Putin stakes at. Today the pilots behaved very provocative and we quite could have victims.

Cheers !

Nikolle

You've said "the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority" implying that more than half of the population of Ukraine.Now,all sources Western and Russian put the number of protesters into thousands and not millions.Therefore,your statement is made up as you went along and is false.

i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me
(Nikolle, 3 March 2014 20:27)
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It is very simple my friend. The west started and funded the Maiden protestors, which started aggression on Ukrainian territory for the simple purpose of overthrowing a democratically elected government, to install a puppet regime and then to use that regime to get Ukraine under the EU and become a member of NATO. Nothing new coming from western aggressors, except they failed once again.

The fact that you don't see NATO tanks is a welcome sign. Russia has stood up and protected the Ukrainian people and restored stability. Since Russia's involement, tensions have been brought down significantly execept in western capitals where dictators are outraged at their loss. Their propaganda machine is in full swing.

There is no aggression on Russia's part. The authorities in Crimea have invited them as a stabilisation force to prevent radical nationalist destabilising the situation further. It has also been reported that the democratically elected president (Yanukovich) also invited the Russians. Those people in Kiev pretending to be the government are installed puppets with no legitimacy. Their first mistake was restricting the Russian language in a country where Russians are a large minority. You can't argue with that, you Albanians use the same argument. You should be praising Russia.

there's nothing funnier than when people are so blinded by ideology and dogma that they can not see straight. sunshine, i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me
(Nikolle, 3 March 2014 20:27)


You are wrong... A friend of mine told me that a friends of his after speaking with a cousin in Malaysia learned that the above is deception created by the evil NATO. The tanks are actually NATO's but are camouflaged as Russian tanks in order to make Russia look like the aggressor. But the NATO lies were finally exposed :)

Zoran, Ukraine's president opened fire on, and killed 70 people, then fled. That is the end of the arguement for me.
(winston, 3 March 2014 22:50)
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Of course it is winston, you are a sucker for western propaganda. You believe everything they say, end of argument.

I saw those people, they were in battle gear and armed. They killed many policemen, stormed and burned buildings. Yanukovich's orders were only to shoot if a policeman's life was in immediate danger. They are standard police orders around the world, they have the right to shoot people if a person is immediately threating the life of others.

Anyway, keep your blinders on. Your position is well understood and weak.

no Zoran, that's you believing conspiracy theories again. what are you going to tell me next, the French Revolution was instigated by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain? I find it comical that you consider any pro-Western gov. a puppet. Yanukovich, is not a puppet of Russia? seriously, you should come clean as to what your views really are, you're a part of the pro-Putin crowd. do not paint yourself as anti-imperialist because you really aren't, you're only cheering for a different empire
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 10:17)

Wow Nikolle, your standards keep dropping, if Zoran supports a "different empire", that means you concede that America is "your empire"... that's not quite the freedom loving Nikolle I recall from other posts. Keep the entertainment coming buddy.

And yet again, all this is a perfect example that wider recognition of Kosovo was a mistake. It truly has set a precedent in Europe. Sui generis, my ass! Now Russians can see that they can do what they want in Georgia and Ukraine without scruples, knowing that the yanks did the same to Serbia and that they will do nothing except bark and impose the odd sanction, and vice versa. International law and borders has now suddenly become more of a guideline than anything else, hasn't it? Now suddenly America and Russia can treat sovereign European countries as their playground since they have interests everywhere, regardless of international law and respect for internationally recognized borders.

Up until recently I had thought that Russians extending their influence over Crimea was perfectly fine given that the majority of the population is Russian and it was Russian up until recently, but really, this sort of thing is dangerous. Where does it end? Should all countries now exercise their influence on smaller neighbouring countries with minorities of their population and disregard the sovereignty of the country in question and international law? This kind of rhetoric was the cause of many wars in Europe and I am praying every day that war will not come to Ukraine either.

BTW where is this great president Yanukovich to criticize Russia for interfering with the internal affairs of the Ukraine? I'll bet he himself is pleased with foreign intervention.

is that the vast majority of people in Ukraine, seem to prefer closer ties with the West than with Russia, hence the revolution.
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 11:35)

How do you know this?Have you got your own pollsters on the ground or this is what Fox News is telling you? Couple of points,if you were right then in 2010 it would've been President Timoshenko and not President Yanucovych Secondly,the Banderistas and their US/EU supporters signed an agreement with Yanucovych 0n the 21st of February for ending the protests and bringing the elections forward only for the Banderistas with the tacit support of the US/EU to annul the agreement and proceed and carry out their coup.Who is afraid of the majority in Ukraine?

And he digs even deeper... Nikolle, now the self declared "pro-imperialsit" (sic).
Looks like you need to take a break, think your argument thru a bit more carefully and put the spell check back on friend. It's been a fun.
Got to get back to work... you'll know what I'm talking about one day.

@commentator: is that the best you have? i think you need a crash course in put-downs if all you can muster is a reply like that.

No, I have got plenty more actually, just not as much spare time as you, because I also have a job.

Albanian trolls complaining about alleged "put downs" on a Serbian news site..... keep on digging Nikolle.

Budala ! - I Quote -

No comments from serb nationalists here?
Is Ukraine's territorial integrity important or when Russia is in question, rules change?
(Montenegrin, 3 March 2014 18:21)

Comment -
Yugoslavias and Serbias territorial integrity was not important to the Western Hypocrits and as it seems not for you either.

Arn.Sweden..

Crimea historicly belongs to russia, it has ben given to ukrain in 1950s by comunists rulers, russia is only taking their own land back same thing hopfuly will hapen to Kosovo one day, taken back to its original owners the serbs.
(Ned k, 4 March 2014 01:55)

Your comment tells it all.
you said THE ORIGINAL OWNERS THE SERBS.
So,if the original owners were Serbs,you didnt need to write the SERBS,just the original owners.
But,you know you are lying and you know very well who the original owners of the Albanians land in balkan are.

Your comment tells it all.
you said THE ORIGINAL OWNERS THE SERBS.
So,if the original owners were Serbs,you didnt need to write the SERBS,just the original owners.
But,you know you are lying and you know very well who the original owners of the Albanians land in balkan are.
(Afrim, 4 March 2014 10:27)

And the Crimean Tatars where in Crimea hundreds of years before the Russians moved in and colonised the region in the 18th Century.

Crimea historicly belongs to russia, it has ben given to ukrain in 1950s by comunists rulers, russia is only taking their own land back same thing hopfuly will hapen to Kosovo one day, taken back to its original owners the serbs.

no Zoran, that's you believing conspiracy theories again. what are you going to tell me next, the French Revolution was instigated by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain? I find it comical that you consider any pro-Western gov. a puppet. Yanukovich, is not a puppet of Russia? seriously, you should come clean as to what your views really are, you're a part of the pro-Putin crowd. do not paint yourself as anti-imperialist because you really aren't, you're only cheering for a different empire

@commentator: is that the best you have? i think you need a crash course in put-downs if all you can muster is a reply like that.

@Leonidas: sunshine, it wasn't just in Kiev they were protesting. if others in other cities had held rallies in support of Yanukovich, I would have grounds to believe you. truth is very simple, they didn't.

There will not one shot fired by either the Ukrainian nor Russian forces; what likely happen is negotiations that lead to Crimea being given increased special autonomy to protect ethnic Russian interests, Russian troops will withdraw (except the previously agreed upon naval bases) and all will be merry again.

Albanian, the precedent for territorial integrity has been set in "Kosovahhh"*** It doesn't exist.
(Zoran, 3 March 2014 19:21)

Woow, we've seen a complete turnaround of Serbs in these forums in the last few days. Even true patriots like Zoran are now supporting Kosovo's cause.

Although Western leaders and press try to paint Putin as the villain, the average Joe can see straight through their lies.

Indeed, we are seeing overwhelming support from the average Joe for Russia all over the world :)


So unless the EU actually wants a war (a question worth asking)then save us all the hot air, everyone go home and enjoy your super-inflated salaries and pensions,game over really.
(Leonidas, 3 March 2014 18:37)

EU going to war? For what?! Russia is damaging Russia all by itself without the EU having to lift a finger. If anybody had any doubt about Russia's influence in the world, that doubt has been resolved once and for all in the last few days. To my knowledge, not a single country, not even its strongest ally Serbia, has supported Russia's actions in Ukraine. Really humiliating for a country which pretends to be a superpower. I hope that, at least, countries like South Ossetia and Abkhazia will support Russia's cause :)

@commentator

confused again are we? unlike say Zoran (and judging from your posts, you), I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist, because its impossible to be one. what i do know, is that the vast majority of people in Ukraine, seem to prefer closer ties with the West than with Russia, hence the revolution. the best way to solve this impasse, is undoubtedly a split, and considering that Crimea was only ever gifted to Ukraine 60 odd years ago, I fail to see the deep attachment of Ukrainians to it. however, what I responded to, is this allegation that the west has committed aggression on Ukraine, a most bizarre point given that no NATO military is to be seen anywhere in the country and thousands of Russian troops are.

"now you are saying that you ARE an imperialist..."

you too are a pro-imperialsit, you're just cheering for the other one. i do not hide behind hypocrisy.

"How do you know this?" i don't know, maybe because i am watching the news. the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority, had they been a minority, they wouldn't have succeeded. its really simple logic. if what you say is true, you'd have seen pro-Mosoc rallies in Kiev, you haven't. we have seen pro-EU ones however

@Leonidas

I'm trying to figure out what it is that you expected me to tell you; that I have unnamed sources in Kiev? Out of curiosity, where do you get your information from? The Greek embassy in Ukraine?

What happened to international law? How soon we all forget. By pushing for the same type of unilateral action that America inflicted on the Balkans, the Russians have imposed a great burden on Serbs. Instead of taking a proper high ground, Russians have just legitimizted what America did by further establishing this as an international norm. We might as well kiss Kosovo goodbye now (pretty much already have given the latest negotiations). The rule of law should be no different for Kosovo than for Ukraine. That is how rules work. Also, more inter-Orthodox tensions (first Georgia now this)? We should be negotiating with each other, and not letting America get there first!
And finally, stop calling the Maidan movement fascist, their main contention was with the gluttony of their government. Sound familiar?

Who is afraid of the majority in Ukraine?
(Leonidas, 4 March 2014 13:32)

very simple... those who did not want elections in Ukraine to be held as soon as possible.

Secondly,the Banderistas and their US/EU supporters signed an agreement with Yanucovych 0n the 21st of February for ending the protests and bringing the elections forward only for the Banderistas with the tacit support of the US/EU to annul the agreement and proceed and carry out their coup.
(Leonidas, 4 March 2014 13:32)

Well, the agreement was annulled by Yanucovych when he left. You need two parties for an agreement. If one party leaves, I'm not sure whom the agreement is with :)

"Albanian trolls complaining about alleged "put downs" on a Serbian news site..."

where did you ascertain that i was complaining? also, what does a Serbian news site have to do with anything? would it validate me more if I shared my opinions on a Brazilian news site? you're an odd fellow

"What are your sources to support your claim?"

If I was to tell you that I have contacts in Ukraine would you believe me? Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer. Its pretty obvious where my 'sources' come from, the news. not all of us have as broad a network as sj

I have already replied to you Leonidas, but for whatever reason, my comment wasn't published. will try again.

Its not a case of me having to prove the majority support this coup. its common sense. if this was led by a minority, pro Yunakovich rallies would have been held in Kiev and in many other Ukrainian towns to show support for their gov. they didn't. where are the anti-coup demonstrators now (The Russian majority places not withstanding?

You've said "the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority" implying that more than half of the population of Ukraine.Now,all sources Western and Russian put the number of protesters into thousands and not millions.Therefore,your statement is made up as you went along and is false.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 15:41)

73% of the representatives of Ukraine's population voted to overthrow Yanukovich. In math, 73% is defined as majority... not sure though if in Greece there are different math principles which the rest of the world does not use :)

Russian gas giant Gazprom announced that it does not exclude the possibility of a disruption in gas supplies to Europe because of the political situation in Ukraine, but announced that it will continue to invest in export-oriented activities, such the South Stream pipeline, the Russian media reported.

F... Gasprom, they think they will hold democracy & the EU hostage? This Russian aggression, should also serve as a motive, for the EU to secure its natural gas supplies from other sources, it may cost more short term, but long term the benefits would be enormous, both economically & politically! Better then depending on someone that is capable of stabbing you when you turn your back!

No comments from serb nationalists here?
Is Ukraine's territorial integrity important or when Russia is in question, rules change?

"...western aggressors..."

there's nothing funnier than when people are so blinded by ideology and dogma that they can not see straight. sunshine, i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me

@ Montenegrin

You are absolutely right. Russia by doing this it's just helping our cause. For that we thank Russia. By the way how can Russia any longer say Syria can't be attacked/invaded?

Zoran, Ukraine's president opened fire on, and killed 70 people, then fled. That is the end of the arguement for me.

Ukraine can kiss Crimea goodbye. That is their punishment for overthrowing a government undemocratically and attempting to assassinate the president. They agreed to form a unity government to negotiate a settlement peacefully but instead listened to western aggressors and went with the coup d'etat option.

Putin wasn't selected the world's most powerful person for nothing. He has shown amazing ability in Crimea. He managed to take the whole region, have the police, army and navy pledge allegience to the local authority without a shot being fired. He has also shown the world the risks of these so-called revolutions. You risk having your country torn apart and siding with the west these days is risky business. No wonder Brussels and Washington are outraged, their whole sphere of influence is being torn apart by Putin. Well done, it's about time someone put an end to the aggression coming from the west.

As I have mentioned before. The line has been drawn in Syria and now in Ukraine. Russia will not invade unless those idiots in Kiev provoke a conflict and move the army into the eastern Russian parts. Best thing to do now is negotiate peace. There is no chance the eastern part will submit to Kiev. Now is the time to talk about a federation of two highly autonomous regions with Crimea gone by the end of the month. If those idiots in Kiev have aggressive intentions then they will lose a lot more than just the east.

@commentator: is that the best you have? i think you need a crash course in put-downs if all you can muster is a reply like that.

@Leonidas: sunshine, it wasn't just in Kiev they were protesting. if others in other cities had held rallies in support of Yanukovich, I would have grounds to believe you. truth is very simple, they didn't.

"Albanian trolls complaining about alleged "put downs" on a Serbian news site..."

where did you ascertain that i was complaining? also, what does a Serbian news site have to do with anything? would it validate me more if I shared my opinions on a Brazilian news site? you're an odd fellow

"What are your sources to support your claim?"

If I was to tell you that I have contacts in Ukraine would you believe me? Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer. Its pretty obvious where my 'sources' come from, the news. not all of us have as broad a network as sj

Hi "montenegran" whatever that is. We serb nationalists love and respect our canonical Orthodox brothers in the Ukraine and Russia. It is our wish that there is peace amongst the Orthodox, and that they work their problems out. It is our wish that the western Ukrainian facists who overthrew a Democaratically elected and recognized Government are jailed or forced to flee to their eu puppet masters, and that Ukraines Borders, and Soverignty return to their legal and recognized control as soon as the situation normalizes, and the facists cannot attack minorites anymore. I also think it is appropriate that Russia and Ukraine settle their differences once and enjoy good neighborly relations.

It is our fervernt hope that both Democracy, law, legal order, and self rule are restored in the Ukraine as soon as possible.

Your comment tells it all.
you said THE ORIGINAL OWNERS THE SERBS.
So,if the original owners were Serbs,you didnt need to write the SERBS,just the original owners.
But,you know you are lying and you know very well who the original owners of the Albanians land in balkan are.
(Afrim, 4 March 2014 10:27)

And the Crimean Tatars where in Crimea hundreds of years before the Russians moved in and colonised the region in the 18th Century.

"now you are saying that you ARE an imperialist..."

you too are a pro-imperialsit, you're just cheering for the other one. i do not hide behind hypocrisy.

"How do you know this?" i don't know, maybe because i am watching the news. the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority, had they been a minority, they wouldn't have succeeded. its really simple logic. if what you say is true, you'd have seen pro-Mosoc rallies in Kiev, you haven't. we have seen pro-EU ones however

Secondly,the Banderistas and their US/EU supporters signed an agreement with Yanucovych 0n the 21st of February for ending the protests and bringing the elections forward only for the Banderistas with the tacit support of the US/EU to annul the agreement and proceed and carry out their coup.
(Leonidas, 4 March 2014 13:32)

Well, the agreement was annulled by Yanucovych when he left. You need two parties for an agreement. If one party leaves, I'm not sure whom the agreement is with :)

@Leonidas

I'm trying to figure out what it is that you expected me to tell you; that I have unnamed sources in Kiev? Out of curiosity, where do you get your information from? The Greek embassy in Ukraine?

EU foreign ministers gathered in Brussels on Monday for an emergency meeting to formulate a joint response to the Ukrainian crisis, but even before the the meeting took place it became clear that there were deep divisions within the EU when it came to the approach to Russia.

I bet Putin is shaking in his boots and about to wet himself waiting for the EU committee of pointless pontificators to come to a decision on the wording how to stop buying his gas & vodka.The main difference here is Russia has a leader in Putin who's been around the block few times whereas the EU has committees of useless windbags the likes of Cashton,Barroso and Van Rompui who can't even agree on how to construct a sentence, let alone run the various sovereign nations of Europe over which they have assumed absolute control and are hoping to get control of Putin's ships to boot.Although Western leaders and press try to paint Putin as the villain, the average Joe can see straight through their lies.So unless the EU actually wants a war (a question worth asking)then save us all the hot air, everyone go home and enjoy your super-inflated salaries and pensions,game over really.

Albanian, the precedent for territorial integrity has been set in "Kosovahhh"*** It doesn't exist.

Although Western leaders and press try to paint Putin as the villain, the average Joe can see straight through their lies.

Indeed, we are seeing overwhelming support from the average Joe for Russia all over the world :)


So unless the EU actually wants a war (a question worth asking)then save us all the hot air, everyone go home and enjoy your super-inflated salaries and pensions,game over really.
(Leonidas, 3 March 2014 18:37)

EU going to war? For what?! Russia is damaging Russia all by itself without the EU having to lift a finger. If anybody had any doubt about Russia's influence in the world, that doubt has been resolved once and for all in the last few days. To my knowledge, not a single country, not even its strongest ally Serbia, has supported Russia's actions in Ukraine. Really humiliating for a country which pretends to be a superpower. I hope that, at least, countries like South Ossetia and Abkhazia will support Russia's cause :)

i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me
(Nikolle, 3 March 2014 20:27)
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It is very simple my friend. The west started and funded the Maiden protestors, which started aggression on Ukrainian territory for the simple purpose of overthrowing a democratically elected government, to install a puppet regime and then to use that regime to get Ukraine under the EU and become a member of NATO. Nothing new coming from western aggressors, except they failed once again.

The fact that you don't see NATO tanks is a welcome sign. Russia has stood up and protected the Ukrainian people and restored stability. Since Russia's involement, tensions have been brought down significantly execept in western capitals where dictators are outraged at their loss. Their propaganda machine is in full swing.

There is no aggression on Russia's part. The authorities in Crimea have invited them as a stabilisation force to prevent radical nationalist destabilising the situation further. It has also been reported that the democratically elected president (Yanukovich) also invited the Russians. Those people in Kiev pretending to be the government are installed puppets with no legitimacy. Their first mistake was restricting the Russian language in a country where Russians are a large minority. You can't argue with that, you Albanians use the same argument. You should be praising Russia.

Crimea historicly belongs to russia, it has ben given to ukrain in 1950s by comunists rulers, russia is only taking their own land back same thing hopfuly will hapen to Kosovo one day, taken back to its original owners the serbs.
(Ned k, 4 March 2014 01:55)

Your comment tells it all.
you said THE ORIGINAL OWNERS THE SERBS.
So,if the original owners were Serbs,you didnt need to write the SERBS,just the original owners.
But,you know you are lying and you know very well who the original owners of the Albanians land in balkan are.

Who is afraid of the majority in Ukraine?
(Leonidas, 4 March 2014 13:32)

very simple... those who did not want elections in Ukraine to be held as soon as possible.

there's nothing funnier than when people are so blinded by ideology and dogma that they can not see straight. sunshine, i do not see NATO tanks in Ukraine, I see Russian ones. how this makes the west aggressors in a mystery to me
(Nikolle, 3 March 2014 20:27)


You are wrong... A friend of mine told me that a friends of his after speaking with a cousin in Malaysia learned that the above is deception created by the evil NATO. The tanks are actually NATO's but are camouflaged as Russian tanks in order to make Russia look like the aggressor. But the NATO lies were finally exposed :)

Zoran, Ukraine's president opened fire on, and killed 70 people, then fled. That is the end of the arguement for me.
(winston, 3 March 2014 22:50)
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Of course it is winston, you are a sucker for western propaganda. You believe everything they say, end of argument.

I saw those people, they were in battle gear and armed. They killed many policemen, stormed and burned buildings. Yanukovich's orders were only to shoot if a policeman's life was in immediate danger. They are standard police orders around the world, they have the right to shoot people if a person is immediately threating the life of others.

Anyway, keep your blinders on. Your position is well understood and weak.

@commentator

confused again are we? unlike say Zoran (and judging from your posts, you), I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist, because its impossible to be one. what i do know, is that the vast majority of people in Ukraine, seem to prefer closer ties with the West than with Russia, hence the revolution. the best way to solve this impasse, is undoubtedly a split, and considering that Crimea was only ever gifted to Ukraine 60 odd years ago, I fail to see the deep attachment of Ukrainians to it. however, what I responded to, is this allegation that the west has committed aggression on Ukraine, a most bizarre point given that no NATO military is to be seen anywhere in the country and thousands of Russian troops are.

Budala ! - I Quote -

No comments from serb nationalists here?
Is Ukraine's territorial integrity important or when Russia is in question, rules change?
(Montenegrin, 3 March 2014 18:21)

Comment -
Yugoslavias and Serbias territorial integrity was not important to the Western Hypocrits and as it seems not for you either.

Arn.Sweden..

is that the vast majority of people in Ukraine, seem to prefer closer ties with the West than with Russia, hence the revolution.
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 11:35)

How do you know this?Have you got your own pollsters on the ground or this is what Fox News is telling you? Couple of points,if you were right then in 2010 it would've been President Timoshenko and not President Yanucovych Secondly,the Banderistas and their US/EU supporters signed an agreement with Yanucovych 0n the 21st of February for ending the protests and bringing the elections forward only for the Banderistas with the tacit support of the US/EU to annul the agreement and proceed and carry out their coup.Who is afraid of the majority in Ukraine?

Crimea historicly belongs to russia, it has ben given to ukrain in 1950s by comunists rulers, russia is only taking their own land back same thing hopfuly will hapen to Kosovo one day, taken back to its original owners the serbs.

Albanian, the precedent for territorial integrity has been set in "Kosovahhh"*** It doesn't exist.
(Zoran, 3 March 2014 19:21)

Woow, we've seen a complete turnaround of Serbs in these forums in the last few days. Even true patriots like Zoran are now supporting Kosovo's cause.

the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority, had they been a minority, they wouldn't have succeeded. its really simple logic. if what you say is true, you'd have seen pro-Mosoc rallies in Kiev, you haven't. we have seen pro-EU ones however
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 13:59)

The 100000 protesters in Kiev are the majority in a 50 million nation,are they not?What about my second point on the agreement or you haven't got a point of view?

And he digs even deeper... Nikolle, now the self declared "pro-imperialsit" (sic).
Looks like you need to take a break, think your argument thru a bit more carefully and put the spell check back on friend. It's been a fun.
Got to get back to work... you'll know what I'm talking about one day.

@Leonidas: sunshine, it wasn't just in Kiev they were protesting. if others in other cities had held rallies in support of Yanukovich, I would have grounds to believe you. truth is very simple, they didn't.
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 15:07)

What are your sources to support your claim?

If I was to tell you that I have contacts in Ukraine would you believe me? Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer. Its pretty obvious where my 'sources' come from, the news. not all of us have as broad a network as sj
(Nikolle, 5 March 2014 10:09)

I guessed so.It is of course stupid for someone to challenge your unsubstantiated idiotic statements.Next time when you f..t make sure no one is around.

I have already replied to you Leonidas, but for whatever reason, my comment wasn't published. will try again.

Its not a case of me having to prove the majority support this coup. its common sense. if this was led by a minority, pro Yunakovich rallies would have been held in Kiev and in many other Ukrainian towns to show support for their gov. they didn't. where are the anti-coup demonstrators now (The Russian majority places not withstanding?

What happened to international law? How soon we all forget. By pushing for the same type of unilateral action that America inflicted on the Balkans, the Russians have imposed a great burden on Serbs. Instead of taking a proper high ground, Russians have just legitimizted what America did by further establishing this as an international norm. We might as well kiss Kosovo goodbye now (pretty much already have given the latest negotiations). The rule of law should be no different for Kosovo than for Ukraine. That is how rules work. Also, more inter-Orthodox tensions (first Georgia now this)? We should be negotiating with each other, and not letting America get there first!
And finally, stop calling the Maidan movement fascist, their main contention was with the gluttony of their government. Sound familiar?

no Zoran, that's you believing conspiracy theories again. what are you going to tell me next, the French Revolution was instigated by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain? I find it comical that you consider any pro-Western gov. a puppet. Yanukovich, is not a puppet of Russia? seriously, you should come clean as to what your views really are, you're a part of the pro-Putin crowd. do not paint yourself as anti-imperialist because you really aren't, you're only cheering for a different empire

no Zoran, that's you believing conspiracy theories again. what are you going to tell me next, the French Revolution was instigated by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain? I find it comical that you consider any pro-Western gov. a puppet. Yanukovich, is not a puppet of Russia? seriously, you should come clean as to what your views really are, you're a part of the pro-Putin crowd. do not paint yourself as anti-imperialist because you really aren't, you're only cheering for a different empire
(Nikolle, 4 March 2014 10:17)

Wow Nikolle, your standards keep dropping, if Zoran supports a "different empire", that means you concede that America is "your empire"... that's not quite the freedom loving Nikolle I recall from other posts. Keep the entertainment coming buddy.

And yet again, all this is a perfect example that wider recognition of Kosovo was a mistake. It truly has set a precedent in Europe. Sui generis, my ass! Now Russians can see that they can do what they want in Georgia and Ukraine without scruples, knowing that the yanks did the same to Serbia and that they will do nothing except bark and impose the odd sanction, and vice versa. International law and borders has now suddenly become more of a guideline than anything else, hasn't it? Now suddenly America and Russia can treat sovereign European countries as their playground since they have interests everywhere, regardless of international law and respect for internationally recognized borders.

Up until recently I had thought that Russians extending their influence over Crimea was perfectly fine given that the majority of the population is Russian and it was Russian up until recently, but really, this sort of thing is dangerous. Where does it end? Should all countries now exercise their influence on smaller neighbouring countries with minorities of their population and disregard the sovereignty of the country in question and international law? This kind of rhetoric was the cause of many wars in Europe and I am praying every day that war will not come to Ukraine either.

BTW where is this great president Yanukovich to criticize Russia for interfering with the internal affairs of the Ukraine? I'll bet he himself is pleased with foreign intervention.

I'm not confused at all Nikolle... now you are saying that you ARE an imperialist lol ("I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist").

The more you comment, the better it gets .... best to get of the high horse, or change topics while you still can.

@commentator: is that the best you have? i think you need a crash course in put-downs if all you can muster is a reply like that.

No, I have got plenty more actually, just not as much spare time as you, because I also have a job.

Albanian trolls complaining about alleged "put downs" on a Serbian news site..... keep on digging Nikolle.

Nikolle

You've said "the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority" implying that more than half of the population of Ukraine.Now,all sources Western and Russian put the number of protesters into thousands and not millions.Therefore,your statement is made up as you went along and is false.

You've said "the overthrow of Yanukovich was carried out by the majority" implying that more than half of the population of Ukraine.Now,all sources Western and Russian put the number of protesters into thousands and not millions.Therefore,your statement is made up as you went along and is false.
(Leonidas, 5 March 2014 15:41)

73% of the representatives of Ukraine's population voted to overthrow Yanukovich. In math, 73% is defined as majority... not sure though if in Greece there are different math principles which the rest of the world does not use :)

Peter Sudyka, 4 March 2014 11:18

Good comment but Putin that I know is not an imperialist. He just gathers the Russian lands. And if he have to step back be sure he means something. I am pleased we don’t fight our own people but the started provocations of the Kiev controlled troops in Crimea make me feel bad. Seems that the Yanks too got an idea of how to spoil the referendum Putin stakes at. Today the pilots behaved very provocative and we quite could have victims.

Cheers !

There will not one shot fired by either the Ukrainian nor Russian forces; what likely happen is negotiations that lead to Crimea being given increased special autonomy to protect ethnic Russian interests, Russian troops will withdraw (except the previously agreed upon naval bases) and all will be merry again.