Russia withdraws ambassador from Kiev

Well I must say, that south stream pipeline which bypasses western Ukraine is looking more and more important for Russia, and is looking like a brilliant move :).
As for Ukraine, it's finished. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea will secede and join Russia, most likely not peacefully. The leaders of this 'opposition' are lead by nazis, and are supported by the German run EU. Surprised? I'm not. Russia will prevail. And yes, despite all the anti-Russian propaganda, Sochi was a huge success!! Congratulations to Russia!
Cheers!!

Azir.
Article is not about Serbia, but if you have to mention Serbia, you could at least make informed comment. In Slovenia, Slovenians resorted to violence attacking border posts of JNA. First burning homes in all of Yugoslavia were Serb homes in Croatia. Hundreds of Serb homes were burned in Zadar and Sibenik on May 2 , 1991 - first torching based on ethnicity of the owner. First massacre in Bosnia was in Sijekovac on March 26th 1992. Some 60 Serbs, including 17 children were slaughtered. KLA started its campaign on Feb 17 1996 by thorwing hand granades through the windos of the motel that was used to house refugees from Krajina. 8 refugees, 2 of them children died.
These are the facts!
And each time, those who were starting violance had EU and US backing...

The Ukrainian parliament on Sunday voted to oust President Yanukovych, freed former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko from prison,

B92

Translated into "Anti-Corruption Protests demand the Release of a Corrupt Oligarch".One has to take his hat off though to Tymoshenko who's been described in the French press as 'Machiavelli in a skirt',an epithet that sums up her crooked political career perfectly.By manipulating people and processes ,changing sides and making and breaking alliances as circumstances demanded,shows exactly why she has never been far from power and that makes her a dangerous political animal.With Tymoshenko pulling the invisible strings of power the next step will be to ensure they have a EU backed president who then,let the oligarchs take over as many companies as possible,open up black sea to oil and gas exploration by EU and US companies and open up the country to nuclear related businesses.

The next crucial question is how Russia will respond to the events taking place in Ukraine.My hunch is Russia will respond after the end of the Olympics in Soshi.They will find a way to get even and in the meantime the EU/US will keep subsidising the fascists and anti-semites that have led this "coup".

Let's see, maybe Serbia can send some volunteers to help the Russians reclaim Ukraine? Serbia is always looking to the Russians for help in regards to Kosova, will the Serbs show their Slavic unity & return the favor? I can't wait to see the faces on those Russians, when a JAT-DC10 arrives in Moscow with 3 or 4 Serbian passengers! Maybe V. Kostunica will be among them?

Oh dear, those baffoons in Kiev are making a nice mess and playing right into the hands of Russia. Kiev is the capital of Western Ukraine and Kharkiv (the former capital of Ukraine) is now the capital of Eastern Ukraine, which takes the whole black sea coast and has all of the industry that is closely linked to Russia. It may even become Russia again.

Land-locked western Ukraine, and lets not forget they were fighting with the NAZIs, will be just more radical mouths to feed for the EU. Oh, and queen Tymoshemko will undoubtedly bring the country back to the brink of bankruptcy like last time while making billions for her own net wealth - but this time with expensive Russian gas.

EU representatives are running to Kiev to try and calm things down because they are very afraid that if there is a split the wealthy eastern side will go with Russia while the millions of mouths to feed will be hugging the EU, much like what has happened in Kosovo where the EU got stuck with funding a failed and financially unsustainable state. The people of Ukraine are made up of Catholic west and Orthodox east and they don’t like each other, very much like Serbs and Croats.
Once again the United States of Piss and Wind has started something and is unable to bring about a successful solution and now leaves another mess for Brussels to manage. Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia.

What happen in Ukraine over the weekend is great news, a dictator was overthrown, but this isn't the end. Now the Olympics is over, we'll see how Putin responds & there will most likely be more bloodshed unfortunately. Putin won't stand to having his puppet Yanukovych kicked out of power in Ukraine. Putin views Ukraine as Russian land with an identity crisis. Putin will now agitate & mobilise the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine and in the Crimea to engineer a succession, then he'll try & send in Russian forces to "protect" them & many Ukrainians will probably lose their lives as a consequence. But this is nothing new, Russia has historically been a ba***rd towards the Ukrainians. Putin will try to Annex Eastern Ukraine & in the Crimea as a consolation prize, but he'll have the Black Sea which he wants.

Putin & Russian media have already tried to portray the ethnic Russians in Ukraine as victims of Euromaiden which according to Putin & Russian media is "fascist" just because Svoboda are nationalists & some of them admire Stepan Bandera. But this is typical of Russian media, Euromaiden has support across the political spectrum. Batkivshchyna are centre-right conservatives whilst UDAR are Liberals; however Putin & Russian media would have you believe that they're all "fascists", it is pathetic really. The Democratic Alliance aren't fascist, nor are the Ukrainian Greek Catholics & the Orthodox Kyivan Patriarchate. If anyone is a fascist, it is dictator Yanukovych.

Putin will now agitate & mobilise the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine and in the Crimea to engineer a succession...
(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 12:46)
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Funny that we are now seeing countries favouring western domination fracturing. First Georgia and now Ukraine. No more easy games for those dictators in Washington and Brussels.

The part of Ukraine that is populated by ethnic Russians was part of Russia once upon a time so it should just go back to where it belongs. It should be fairly obvious to all that the country is irreconcilably divided.

Yes, the Olympics are over and what a great event the Russians hosted. A big congrats to them for leading the medal tally both in total medals and the number of golds. Now that it is over, Putin can focus on cleaning up the mess the west created in Ukraine.

As for Yanukovich, nobody really cares for him. He is weak and will pay for it.

Russian -Ukraine relationship is similiar to Serb-Montenegrian.

Only difference is Serbia promoted violence in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova and skip Monenegro and second difference is MONENEGRO WAS SMART ENOUGH TO LEAVE THIS ILL FATED ALLIANCE.

UKRAINE MUST BE LIBERATED OF RUSSIANS BY THE WEST........

Putin can focus on cleaning up the mess the west created in Ukraine.

As for Yanukovich, nobody really cares for him. He is weak and will pay for it.
(Zoran, 24 February 2014 13:39)

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

It is Russia which has neo-colonial aspirations over Ukraine. It is Russia's puppet Yanukovich which caused the 2004 Orange Revolution with his corruption and trying to cheat the election. It is Russia which caused the 2008 gas dispute. It is Russia which elevated Yanukovich to power in 2010 after Putin publicly endorsed him in the elections. It is under Russia's puppet Yanukovich which corruption thrived and the economy declined. It is Russia's puppet which passed all the anti-Ukrainian/ pro-Russian laws. It is Russia's puppet which had the political opposition arrested and imprisoned. It is Russia's puppet which tried to isolate Ukraine and make it dependent/ enslaved to Russia. It is Russia's puppet which turned Ukraine into a Police state where civil liberties decreased. It is Russia which sent "advisors" to co-ordinate the Ukraine Police recently, which resulted in unarmed people being slaughtered by Sniper and Assault rifles. It is Russia which is trying to divide Ukraine into two. Ukraine would be in a lot better position today if Putin and Russia had just left Ukraine alone.

Ambassador? I would say that this was the Gubernator of occupied Ukraine. And nobody withdrew him, he got kicked out by the free Ukrainian people.

Now Janukovic will be found and sentenced for treason and mass murder.

Next stop is Venezuela and Syria.

I think that all of this will lead to a total stalemate situation ala Transdniester or Kosovo, though substantially larger in terms of population and area.

There is no way for the country to remain unified when the Western part of the country is in the hands of the revolutionaries, while the Eastern part is either split or loyal to Yanukovich (especially Crimea and the Donbass). Neither side wants a split, yet there is no more divided country in Europe today. What is next? Who will be the authority in Kiev? I can't even say "central authority", since there is no way in hell the Western regions will submit to the Party of Regions, nor will the Southeast part of Ukraine (especially Crimea and Donbass) submit to a pro-Western government in Kiev.

I see nothing else, but a split as a solution to this problem. What other solutions are there? Force? There has been enough bloodshed already and neither side will give in to the wishes of the other, like it has been in the past.

On one hand, Yanukovich is the democratically elected president and the rightful one. On the other hand, he is a corrupt scumbag that has robbed the country dry. Anyone seen his home in Kiev (inc. the private golf course, zoo etc.)? How can you do that when you have the poorest country in Europe, apart from Moldova?

It is a total Catch 22 situation and I do not see a way out of this, other than a Yugoslav/Czechoslovak split. The only problem is: where will the border be?

So much for Slavic Brotherhood and Unity then... will Serbia bend over too and follow suit? All in solidarity with Uncle Russia of course! :D
Nazdrovje!

Yes sj, of course it is a trap by Russia. They are trying to lull them into a false sense of security and then they will suddenly send in the mighty Gazprom and crush them. Yanukovich will go back to his ranch and all will be well again.
Once again the side supported by some of our friends here lost. Yanukovich was ousted, Kostunica lost, SNS won the election but it turned out to be the same as the DS, Dacic indeed signed the agreement with Thaci, Greece did not get out of the Eurozone, "over my dead body" Jeremic lost at the ICJ, 106 countries recognized Kosovo, Serbia is moving towards the EU, etc etc. Every time you supported and argued for the opposite. Aren't you guys tired of supporting lost causes? Of continuously losing?

Ian's comments are among the most daft and incorrect revisionist versions of the situation in Ukraine, typical Russophobia often seen in the UK. Many people here seem to compare Russia's involvement in Ukraine to that of western actors, historically speaking Russia has more reason to have involvement, even though the west is interfering far more. Any of you people heard of the Kievan Rus? It was the first Russian state with Kiev as it's capital ruled by Russian monarchs, the founders of Russian Tsardom before Ukraine even existed as a state, let alone have it's own identity. But all you Russophobic morons here wouldn't have a clue about any of that would you. Russia will always have influence over this part of the world despite this crisis at the moment.

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

It gets alot better, muslim on muslim violence. Happens daily in every muslim country,Iraq Afganistan,Pakistan,Syria. Just to name the obvious ones. If u werent such a wannabe Serb, and read news sources outside of Serbia u might know this :). And dont worry bout Ukraine or slavs, we get it together when it counts.

Your link is broken, but I can tell from the web address that it has something to do with Ron Paul.

I couldn't give a **** what Ron Paul has to say on anthying!
(Ian, UK, 25 February 2014 00:06)

For such an expert on cut & paste like yourself it wouldn't be difficult to open my link.Basically Ron Paul gives an answer to all your nonsense about who caused the orange revolution in Ukraine and the rest.One would think-irrespective of which side of the fence he's sitting on-that since Ron Paul's opinion is mentioned in various media outlets around the world carries more weight than the propagandist and revisionist versions of the situation in Uraine yu air on this site.

Serbian media is reporting that ukrainian people with albanians are hunting for serbs in Kiev,because serbs are being seen as Youkanovich people.

They go to say that albanians are behind the revolution in Ukraina!!!The head of serbs in Ukraina Dragan Stanojevich is claiming that.
It looks like serbs are very delusional people.Wherever Russia is being defeted Germans,croats and albanians are behind.
Wake up man,losing Kosovo was primary your fault!And losing Ukraina is Russias fault!
You shouldn't be so uppset,because when Kososvo has gone and Serbia will recognise it officially,is going to be better for Serbia too.
And albanians may be brave,but not supermen to be behind every defed of Russia.
Or may be we don't know ourselves well. lol

EU representatives are running to Kiev to try and calm things down because they are very afraid that if there is a split the wealthy eastern side will go with Russia while the millions of mouths to feed will be hugging the EU, much like what has happened in Kosovo where the EU got stuck with funding a failed and financially unsustainable state. The people of Ukraine are made up of Catholic west and Orthodox east and they don’t like each other, very much like Serbs and Croats.
Once again the United States of Piss and Wind has started something and is unable to bring about a successful solution and now leaves another mess for Brussels to manage. Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia.
(sj, 24 February 2014 10:31)

Thx sj, I'm so relieved now... I was trying to find an explanation to all of this that is in line with the analysis of and reality depicted by Serb true patriots, and now I finally have it.

Oh, and queen Tymoshemko will undoubtedly bring the country back to the brink of bankruptcy like last time while making billions for her own net wealth - but this time with expensive Russian gas.
(Zoran, 24 February 2014 11:57)

Granted, the woman has a shady history and should not be allowed to take power in Ukraine at all, but Yanukovich is even worse.

With B92's permission, I would like to post a link to an article, which shows how lavish this man lived (and to think this is just ONE of his houses!!!), while the rest of the country lived in poverty:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656023/In-pictures-Inside-the-palace-Yanukovych-didnt-want-Ukraine-to-see.html

This creature also has lost his right to rule the country.

I suggest a fresh start with a totally new government, one that could perhaps even reunite Ukrainians as a nation again, because both parties that have been in charge the last 20 years have done nothing, but bleed the country completely dry for their own benefit, while the country is in a worse economical state than any other country in Europe.

Regarding expensive Russian gas, this is indeed a problem for the Western part of Ukraine, but cheap Russian gas will not solve the problem of corruption and poverty in Ukraine either.

@ azir

How much you and rocky make per comment? The going rate I heard is somewhere around 30 cents per comment.

Thx sj, I'm so relieved now... I was trying to find an explanation to all of this that is in line with the analysis of and reality depicted by Serb true patriots, and now I finally have it.
(icj1, 24 February 2014 13:20)

AE, your welcome, but you are aware that this is a Serbian based site??????? I’ve noticed that you tend to sleep walk. Perhaps you might want to seek out an Albanian equivalent, that’s if one exists considering your lot are still coming to terms with electricity.
However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

That should be "yourself". Try a dictionary.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

Hey azir, ever been tarred and feathered with sheep tar for rudeness and for annoying folks?

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

The sick joke is you and your comments.Read on...

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/february/23/leave-ukraine-alone!.aspx

"Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia."

If this is true (of course it isn't) then it means Russia caused the whole thing and as such, is directly responsible for the death of innocent Ukrainians. It wouldn't be the first time Russia has blood on its hand. p.s. dictator lovers and apologists never cease to amaze me with the kind of garbage they spew

UKRAINE FOR UKRAINIANS..........

Ethnic Russian Settlers either assimilate and respect the law of the land or if they insist on being with Russia then the International Community must provide these trouble makers one way tickets to Moscow.

Russia must learn to respect her neighbors and not act so Serb-like.
Putin support of violence is well noted and EU and US must address.

I agree with brother Rocky ........i'd love to see Serbia return the mercenary favor and travel to Ukraine in support of "Mother Russia" ............

Or isn't the other way around serbs helping Ukraine THE LAND WHERE SERBS ORIGINATE FROM.

Slav on Slav violence............it couldn't get any better :)

Peter

You know Russians are fed up with wars. But this time we talk about our own lands. Before 1953 Russia was ruled by the Georgian (though ethnically Stalin was an Ossetian) and then mostly by the people born in the Ukraine. Everybody added to this country some lands. Father of the Ukraine was Lasar Kaganovich who included here several central regions with Kiev. Later in 1919 Lenin added 9 more regions “to increase proletarian element in the Ukraine”. In 1923 Stalin added Donetsk and Taganrog (later was back). More than that USSR supported Grushevsky’s demand for Tambov, Voronezh, Belgorod , Briansk and other regions. Later they asked for Rostov-na-Donu ect. So their appetites has always been high.

In 1956 Khrushev granted them Crimea while there’s not a single document saying that Sevastopol was also passed that last 100 years was a separate region. If I am not mistaken Poltava has also been passed by Lenin. So it depends on how to count and some of the central regions still hesitate. Time will show the if they still feel themselves Russians and if they have Russian balls. We are lacking leaders in the south-east. Also local elites belong to Regions of Yanuk and may play a Trojan Horse role. Moscow had only a couple of day to get involved. So it’s a big question what regions will split. Besides Ukraine may face territorial problems also with Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Romania , Moldova and Turkey. Let’s see the events to develop especially in Crimea.

The Antagonism/Competition between Germany(EU) and Russia,
has divided the Slavic Peoples in central Europe for Hundreds og Years.
The Slavic Peoples in central Europe(Some 150-175 millions) must unite to be strong enuff to hold bouth Germany and Russia at Bay.

This is Germanys(EUs) plotting as in the case of former Yugoslavia.

By the Way - Ukrain will never ever be a member of EU.

Arn.Sweden.

Western Ukraine always suffered neglect from Soviet Union, no industry, no strong agriculture. All Western Ukrainians chaise jobs out of home.
And they are citizens of the country which absolutely doesn't care for their normal human needs and never did.
I looked at the list of people who died on February 17, 21, 22 -young men in majority, trying to fight for their future. Big respect, big respect.....
Russia doesn't give a true picture of events for their citizens, Russians
don't respect Ukrainians - the Big Brother sindrom.And the question is - we stayed shoulder to shoulder in second World War, calling each other brothers, how come that respect disepear? Very sad....

Sreten where in my comment did I claim this article on Russian interference in Ukraine is about Serbia? I made a comparison since this is a Serb News Outlet.

How much more informed could I be when you the reader is originaly so misinformed.......

According to you and typical Serbs "logic" Serbs killing babies in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova was the direct FAULT OF THE VICTIMS.

Even those evil freedom loving Americans and the EU must somehow be guilty of causing Serbs to committ MASS RAPES,ROBBERIES,ARSON,LOOTING,KIDNAPPING ETC........

The Hague according to your brilliance is full of "innocent Serbs" found "guilty" by UNSC authorized,funded and established international judges from all over the world.

These non Albanians somehow were led to believe Saintly Innocent Serbs ,who could never hurt some much as a fly arrested,transported ,put on trial and convicted at the Hague had to be a huge stage event just to tarnish HEAVENLY SERBS GOOD NATURED REPUTATION ..

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS ALL THE VICTIMS AREN'T IN AGREEMENT .......

@ (Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

It's Russia this and it's Russia that...., eh Ian?
You do know that without Texas having your backs on this one, that *PUTINMAN*is gonna open yall another one
and breathe behind your soft milky-silky necks till the cows home--or the usual--the sheriff comes to your rescue again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15It4sYLRI

(Nikolle, 24 February 2014 16:42)

Watch and learn my little Albanian sheep herder, just watch and learn. Ahhh, Russia has blood on it hand, but the west murder with democratic feelings in their hearts eh?
Well let’s look at the democracies that your great friend the US upholds – Saudi Arabia, a beacon of democracy, Kuwait, Bahrain, the Yemeni democracy, the new government in Egypt, Libya. Perhaps you have forgotten the murderous regimes in the Philippines such as the Marco family, or South American dictators, eh?
Russia will secure Ukraine one way or another because this is really a battle for control of Europe. Once Moscow win, Thaci will be looking for a nice big rock to crawl under in New York while your rabble will seek new accommodation in Albania.

(Reader, 24 February 2014 14:21)

ZZZZZZ, I said its my opinion and I don’t base that on any fact.
Let’s put you in the picture. The east, which takes in all of the land along the Black Sea is the rich part and it’s occupied by Russians considering that part was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in the early 1960s.
The western part, who favour closer ties to the EU are dirt poor and they are Catholics . Russia will never allow NATO any near there, so take of that pumpkin you call a head and put on brains into gear and give it some thought.
Actually this is a fight for control of Europe. Mate you can Kosova all you like it belongs to Serbs and always will. A new leadership is on the way – oh it seems the US is in the process of drastically reducing its military, but disguised as BS about being able to buy better equipment. Enjoy it while you can.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

I love the way you talk that baby talk. Reminds me of Lenard, Bam Bam and roberto. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X70VMrH3yBg

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

Slav on Albanian making whoopie......it couldn't get any worst ;)

Peter

The you know the new “revolutionaries” are nothing better …

timoshenko’s realty

http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=+%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B8+%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2+%D0%AE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B8+%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE&icolor=&itype=&iorient=&isize=&type=&site=&wp=&recent=&iw=&ih=

yatsenuk’s realty

http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C+%D1%8F%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8E%D0%BA%D0%B0&icolor=&itype=&iorient=&isize=&type=&site=&wp=&recent=&iw=&ih=

poroshenko’s villa

http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/166117/poroshenko_nikak_ne_dostroit_gigantskiyi_osobnyak_pod_kievom_fotoreportaj

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

Excellent comment, azir. Tens of people have died fighting for freedom from a corrupt regime and this pleases you because they are Slavs. Should Albanians killed in the Kosovo War be a source of joy for other people as well? Do you suppose it gets any better than that for someone?

I honestly don't get why B92 allows such posts through. This is not some lowbrow beer hall for cave-trolls with double digit IQs, surely.

sj

if what you wrote is true (it isn't, your imagination is getting the better of you again), then Russia is directly responsible for the chaos in Ukraine. of course, since i have come to believe that you suffer from FPP, i choose not to laugh at you any more.

rote

Tymoshenko is indeed same shady character as Yanukovich. I personally would have left her in prison to rot for her fraud crimes. It's that same mafia that robbed the country after state property became privatized and whether they are from the East or West, they are the same thing.

I am not personally aware of how corrupt next two politicians are, though knowing how ridiculously corrupt that country is, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Also of course, I am not saying president and high-placed politicians should not have nice, big house, but having nice big house and having several nice big houses - complete with private zoo, golf courses and toilets made of gold are two separate things, I am sure you will agree. Some moderation would not hurt Ukraine today.

Peter

Before today I liked most of your posts. But today I care not much about the toilets. Russian oligarchs as you know are nothing better. What I really care about is that we are inevitably approaching the margin line where we two will again stop to understand each other. This time I’ll try to be a gentleman. What I mean is that Putin has got very little tactical maneuver and we are close to the hysteria the West will start as soon as Russia is involved. The thing is Russia will take the historical chance to return our lands back home. You know how the Poles will react. So when it becomes evident please don’t call names but for a minute imagine yourself a Russian. We have to bite away at least Malorossia and Crimea. I mean 12-15 regions out of 28. All Russians think so.

Others are inhabited by the Ukrainians and they will be free to decide where to beg money from. I am not sure the south-east will join us de jure but de facto Putin will be at the command here by the end of the year. I know it’s a bad news for you but I can see no way of how Putin can escape such an escalation. This year the merely hidden new cold war will become open. It’s a bad news for Russia as well coz we’ll become a sieged camp mudded by everybody. Also I expect bloodshed in the Ukraine. So we’ll have to destroy them first. I believe that after the hysteria is over Poland will become our close ally in the Ukraine.

Let’s make stakes !

I bet this year the new Russian state border will run over Dnieper. There will be bloodshed but not much. Happy end is also guaranteed. Russia will have back it’s 6 industrial regions presented by Lenin to Malorossia in 1919 plus Crimea plus Sevastopol city presented by Khrushev in1956 plus Odessa plus Nikolaev ect. The West will have back the 4 Nazi regions joined by Stalin in 1939. Kharkov city will again become the capitol this time of Malorossia. Russia will have it’s industry and chrnozem black earth while the west will have the beggar Nazi regions they had trained for the Ukrainian Spring. Everything will happen this year coz Putin will have no other chance. He cannot afford leaving these Russian lands within this mad land. Azov will become internal sea before the new year. Maybe not de jure but only de facto. After the Olympics are successfully over a lot of energy will be emitted in Russia to realize this idea fix of Mr. Putin.

"AE, your welcome, but you are aware that this is a Serbian based site??????? I’ve noticed that you tend to sleep walk. Perhaps you might want to seek out an Albanian equivalent, that’s if one exists considering your lot are still coming to terms with electricity."
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

I'd certainly do that if Albanians were to be my lot... Thanks for the excellent advice, anyway.
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However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

Unfortunately I can't do that, since it's not me but the CE of B92 forums sj that always speaks about the successes above. I'm sure he/she would be more than happy to entertain you with that information.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

To - (SCP UK, 24 February 2014 19:30).

It was the Swedish Vikings from the Part of Sweden called Ros-lagen who founded the three Russian States,
Novgorodskaya Ros - Kievskaya Ros and from there with the Help of those two Slavic states went Eastward and founded - Moskowskaya Ros.

In the Swedish Ruling we hawe - Three Crowns - Symbolising Three Kingdoms -

Swea - Göta - Vendes King.

Vender was a name of Slavic Peoples.

Arn.Sweden.

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

The sick joke is you and your comments.Read on...

[link]!.aspx
(Leonidas, 24 February 2014 19:09)

Leonidas is this the best you can do?!?!?! You said we, greeks, are polite, have a unique culture and this and that?? This post of yours does not reflect that! You just become a bit of a joke with this post!!!!


Russian state and its dictator, not Russian people, is to blame directly for all the troubles that happened in Ukraine...

(icj1, 25 February 2014 05:27)

Ah I see your split personailty is now talking. Who is it this time? Abraham Lincoln? Now Abe ICJ is well known as the Albanian Einstein who maths are so far advanced that 2+2=10. That’s why Albanians are so respected through the world.
P.S AE = Albanian Einstein

However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

Unfortunately I can't do that, since it's not me but the CE of B92 forums sj that always speaks about the successes above. I'm sure he/she would be more than happy to entertain you with that information.
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 25 February 2014 05:27)

Ah I see your split personailty is now talking. Who is it this time? Abraham Lincoln? Now Abe ICJ is well known as the Albanian Einstein who maths are so far advanced that 2+2=10. That’s why Albanians are so respected through the world.
P.S AE = Albanian Einstein
(sj, 25 February 2014 13:49)

I'm so sorry I could not help you with the successes of the west in those countries... That's something that the CE of B92 forums sj, not me, came up with, so the only help I can provide is to ask him/her to entertain us with that information about the successes of the west, if you don't want to ask him/her directly. Let me know...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Much has been said about Yanukovych's estate. But I'd like to know, did he actually build it for himself or take it over from Tymoshenko? Where did Tymoshenko live? Most countries have some place of residence for the president. That's not what this place is?

(SCP UK, 24 February 2014 19:30)

I hate to break it to you, but Kievan Rus wasn't the first Russian state, it was a state belonging to the Rus' people. The Rus' people were Varangians, which is what the Greeks and East Slavs called 'Vikings' aka Norsemen originating from Scandanvia/ the Baltics.

As to your "historically speaking Russia has more reason to have involvement" comment; that'd be like me saying "historically speaking Britain has more reason to have involvement" in Ireland or any former British colony.

Also, I'm not Russophobic, I'm a Russophile. Russia is my favourite country in the world, I love Russia; I just don't agree with Putin and his cronies.

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(Leonidas, 24 February 2014 19:09)

Your link is broken, but I can tell from the web address that it has something to do with Ron Paul.

I couldn't give a **** what Ron Paul has to say on anthying!

rote

It's not bad news for Poland which terms of Ukraine remain part of an independent Ukraine and which ones would be rejoined to Russia.

From the traditional East-West divide of Ukraine, 9 regions could be considered pro-Russian and if Ukraine were to split peacefully ala Czechoslovakia then I don't see why it would be a problem. Which others did you have in mind if not Kharkiv, Donetsk, Lugansk, Mikolaiv, Kherson, Odessa, Crimea, Dnipopetrovsk and Zaporozhia?

What is most important for Poland here is peace. We do not want a war at our doorstep. I believe Russia also does not want to send troops there.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.

It’s a bad news for Russia as well coz we’ll become a sieged camp mudded by everybody. Also I expect bloodshed in the Ukraine. So we’ll have to destroy them first. I believe that after the hysteria is over Poland will become our close ally in the Ukraine.
(rote, 25 February 2014 14:16)

rote,

I see that paranoia has got the best of you. How many times did you have to change underwear today.
You really must try to calm down. I know the Ukrainians are in control of many nuke sites, but I doubt they will use them on you Russians, after all, who will they be able to sell all their wheat and grains.

Russian -Ukraine relationship is similiar to Serb-Montenegrian.

Only difference is Serbia promoted violence in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova and skip Monenegro and second difference is MONENEGRO WAS SMART ENOUGH TO LEAVE THIS ILL FATED ALLIANCE.

UKRAINE MUST BE LIBERATED OF RUSSIANS BY THE WEST........

What happen in Ukraine over the weekend is great news, a dictator was overthrown, but this isn't the end. Now the Olympics is over, we'll see how Putin responds & there will most likely be more bloodshed unfortunately. Putin won't stand to having his puppet Yanukovych kicked out of power in Ukraine. Putin views Ukraine as Russian land with an identity crisis. Putin will now agitate & mobilise the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine and in the Crimea to engineer a succession, then he'll try & send in Russian forces to "protect" them & many Ukrainians will probably lose their lives as a consequence. But this is nothing new, Russia has historically been a ba***rd towards the Ukrainians. Putin will try to Annex Eastern Ukraine & in the Crimea as a consolation prize, but he'll have the Black Sea which he wants.

Putin & Russian media have already tried to portray the ethnic Russians in Ukraine as victims of Euromaiden which according to Putin & Russian media is "fascist" just because Svoboda are nationalists & some of them admire Stepan Bandera. But this is typical of Russian media, Euromaiden has support across the political spectrum. Batkivshchyna are centre-right conservatives whilst UDAR are Liberals; however Putin & Russian media would have you believe that they're all "fascists", it is pathetic really. The Democratic Alliance aren't fascist, nor are the Ukrainian Greek Catholics & the Orthodox Kyivan Patriarchate. If anyone is a fascist, it is dictator Yanukovych.

So much for Slavic Brotherhood and Unity then... will Serbia bend over too and follow suit? All in solidarity with Uncle Russia of course! :D
Nazdrovje!

Ambassador? I would say that this was the Gubernator of occupied Ukraine. And nobody withdrew him, he got kicked out by the free Ukrainian people.

Now Janukovic will be found and sentenced for treason and mass murder.

Next stop is Venezuela and Syria.

Let's see, maybe Serbia can send some volunteers to help the Russians reclaim Ukraine? Serbia is always looking to the Russians for help in regards to Kosova, will the Serbs show their Slavic unity & return the favor? I can't wait to see the faces on those Russians, when a JAT-DC10 arrives in Moscow with 3 or 4 Serbian passengers! Maybe V. Kostunica will be among them?

Putin can focus on cleaning up the mess the west created in Ukraine.

As for Yanukovich, nobody really cares for him. He is weak and will pay for it.
(Zoran, 24 February 2014 13:39)

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

It is Russia which has neo-colonial aspirations over Ukraine. It is Russia's puppet Yanukovich which caused the 2004 Orange Revolution with his corruption and trying to cheat the election. It is Russia which caused the 2008 gas dispute. It is Russia which elevated Yanukovich to power in 2010 after Putin publicly endorsed him in the elections. It is under Russia's puppet Yanukovich which corruption thrived and the economy declined. It is Russia's puppet which passed all the anti-Ukrainian/ pro-Russian laws. It is Russia's puppet which had the political opposition arrested and imprisoned. It is Russia's puppet which tried to isolate Ukraine and make it dependent/ enslaved to Russia. It is Russia's puppet which turned Ukraine into a Police state where civil liberties decreased. It is Russia which sent "advisors" to co-ordinate the Ukraine Police recently, which resulted in unarmed people being slaughtered by Sniper and Assault rifles. It is Russia which is trying to divide Ukraine into two. Ukraine would be in a lot better position today if Putin and Russia had just left Ukraine alone.

UKRAINE FOR UKRAINIANS..........

Ethnic Russian Settlers either assimilate and respect the law of the land or if they insist on being with Russia then the International Community must provide these trouble makers one way tickets to Moscow.

Russia must learn to respect her neighbors and not act so Serb-like.
Putin support of violence is well noted and EU and US must address.

I agree with brother Rocky ........i'd love to see Serbia return the mercenary favor and travel to Ukraine in support of "Mother Russia" ............

Or isn't the other way around serbs helping Ukraine THE LAND WHERE SERBS ORIGINATE FROM.

Slav on Slav violence............it couldn't get any better :)

EU representatives are running to Kiev to try and calm things down because they are very afraid that if there is a split the wealthy eastern side will go with Russia while the millions of mouths to feed will be hugging the EU, much like what has happened in Kosovo where the EU got stuck with funding a failed and financially unsustainable state. The people of Ukraine are made up of Catholic west and Orthodox east and they don’t like each other, very much like Serbs and Croats.
Once again the United States of Piss and Wind has started something and is unable to bring about a successful solution and now leaves another mess for Brussels to manage. Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia.
(sj, 24 February 2014 10:31)

Thx sj, I'm so relieved now... I was trying to find an explanation to all of this that is in line with the analysis of and reality depicted by Serb true patriots, and now I finally have it.

Yes sj, of course it is a trap by Russia. They are trying to lull them into a false sense of security and then they will suddenly send in the mighty Gazprom and crush them. Yanukovich will go back to his ranch and all will be well again.
Once again the side supported by some of our friends here lost. Yanukovich was ousted, Kostunica lost, SNS won the election but it turned out to be the same as the DS, Dacic indeed signed the agreement with Thaci, Greece did not get out of the Eurozone, "over my dead body" Jeremic lost at the ICJ, 106 countries recognized Kosovo, Serbia is moving towards the EU, etc etc. Every time you supported and argued for the opposite. Aren't you guys tired of supporting lost causes? Of continuously losing?

EU representatives are running to Kiev to try and calm things down because they are very afraid that if there is a split the wealthy eastern side will go with Russia while the millions of mouths to feed will be hugging the EU, much like what has happened in Kosovo where the EU got stuck with funding a failed and financially unsustainable state. The people of Ukraine are made up of Catholic west and Orthodox east and they don’t like each other, very much like Serbs and Croats.
Once again the United States of Piss and Wind has started something and is unable to bring about a successful solution and now leaves another mess for Brussels to manage. Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia.

"Personally I think they have fallen into a trap set by Russia."

If this is true (of course it isn't) then it means Russia caused the whole thing and as such, is directly responsible for the death of innocent Ukrainians. It wouldn't be the first time Russia has blood on its hand. p.s. dictator lovers and apologists never cease to amaze me with the kind of garbage they spew

The Ukrainian parliament on Sunday voted to oust President Yanukovych, freed former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko from prison,

B92

Translated into "Anti-Corruption Protests demand the Release of a Corrupt Oligarch".One has to take his hat off though to Tymoshenko who's been described in the French press as 'Machiavelli in a skirt',an epithet that sums up her crooked political career perfectly.By manipulating people and processes ,changing sides and making and breaking alliances as circumstances demanded,shows exactly why she has never been far from power and that makes her a dangerous political animal.With Tymoshenko pulling the invisible strings of power the next step will be to ensure they have a EU backed president who then,let the oligarchs take over as many companies as possible,open up black sea to oil and gas exploration by EU and US companies and open up the country to nuclear related businesses.

The next crucial question is how Russia will respond to the events taking place in Ukraine.My hunch is Russia will respond after the end of the Olympics in Soshi.They will find a way to get even and in the meantime the EU/US will keep subsidising the fascists and anti-semites that have led this "coup".

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

Excellent comment, azir. Tens of people have died fighting for freedom from a corrupt regime and this pleases you because they are Slavs. Should Albanians killed in the Kosovo War be a source of joy for other people as well? Do you suppose it gets any better than that for someone?

I honestly don't get why B92 allows such posts through. This is not some lowbrow beer hall for cave-trolls with double digit IQs, surely.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.

Oh dear, those baffoons in Kiev are making a nice mess and playing right into the hands of Russia. Kiev is the capital of Western Ukraine and Kharkiv (the former capital of Ukraine) is now the capital of Eastern Ukraine, which takes the whole black sea coast and has all of the industry that is closely linked to Russia. It may even become Russia again.

Land-locked western Ukraine, and lets not forget they were fighting with the NAZIs, will be just more radical mouths to feed for the EU. Oh, and queen Tymoshemko will undoubtedly bring the country back to the brink of bankruptcy like last time while making billions for her own net wealth - but this time with expensive Russian gas.

Serbian media is reporting that ukrainian people with albanians are hunting for serbs in Kiev,because serbs are being seen as Youkanovich people.

They go to say that albanians are behind the revolution in Ukraina!!!The head of serbs in Ukraina Dragan Stanojevich is claiming that.
It looks like serbs are very delusional people.Wherever Russia is being defeted Germans,croats and albanians are behind.
Wake up man,losing Kosovo was primary your fault!And losing Ukraina is Russias fault!
You shouldn't be so uppset,because when Kososvo has gone and Serbia will recognise it officially,is going to be better for Serbia too.
And albanians may be brave,but not supermen to be behind every defed of Russia.
Or may be we don't know ourselves well. lol

@ azir

How much you and rocky make per comment? The going rate I heard is somewhere around 30 cents per comment.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

That should be "yourself". Try a dictionary.

I think that all of this will lead to a total stalemate situation ala Transdniester or Kosovo, though substantially larger in terms of population and area.

There is no way for the country to remain unified when the Western part of the country is in the hands of the revolutionaries, while the Eastern part is either split or loyal to Yanukovich (especially Crimea and the Donbass). Neither side wants a split, yet there is no more divided country in Europe today. What is next? Who will be the authority in Kiev? I can't even say "central authority", since there is no way in hell the Western regions will submit to the Party of Regions, nor will the Southeast part of Ukraine (especially Crimea and Donbass) submit to a pro-Western government in Kiev.

I see nothing else, but a split as a solution to this problem. What other solutions are there? Force? There has been enough bloodshed already and neither side will give in to the wishes of the other, like it has been in the past.

On one hand, Yanukovich is the democratically elected president and the rightful one. On the other hand, he is a corrupt scumbag that has robbed the country dry. Anyone seen his home in Kiev (inc. the private golf course, zoo etc.)? How can you do that when you have the poorest country in Europe, apart from Moldova?

It is a total Catch 22 situation and I do not see a way out of this, other than a Yugoslav/Czechoslovak split. The only problem is: where will the border be?

Oh, and queen Tymoshemko will undoubtedly bring the country back to the brink of bankruptcy like last time while making billions for her own net wealth - but this time with expensive Russian gas.
(Zoran, 24 February 2014 11:57)

Granted, the woman has a shady history and should not be allowed to take power in Ukraine at all, but Yanukovich is even worse.

With B92's permission, I would like to post a link to an article, which shows how lavish this man lived (and to think this is just ONE of his houses!!!), while the rest of the country lived in poverty:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656023/In-pictures-Inside-the-palace-Yanukovych-didnt-want-Ukraine-to-see.html

This creature also has lost his right to rule the country.

I suggest a fresh start with a totally new government, one that could perhaps even reunite Ukrainians as a nation again, because both parties that have been in charge the last 20 years have done nothing, but bleed the country completely dry for their own benefit, while the country is in a worse economical state than any other country in Europe.

Regarding expensive Russian gas, this is indeed a problem for the Western part of Ukraine, but cheap Russian gas will not solve the problem of corruption and poverty in Ukraine either.

Western Ukraine always suffered neglect from Soviet Union, no industry, no strong agriculture. All Western Ukrainians chaise jobs out of home.
And they are citizens of the country which absolutely doesn't care for their normal human needs and never did.
I looked at the list of people who died on February 17, 21, 22 -young men in majority, trying to fight for their future. Big respect, big respect.....
Russia doesn't give a true picture of events for their citizens, Russians
don't respect Ukrainians - the Big Brother sindrom.And the question is - we stayed shoulder to shoulder in second World War, calling each other brothers, how come that respect disepear? Very sad....

Thx sj, I'm so relieved now... I was trying to find an explanation to all of this that is in line with the analysis of and reality depicted by Serb true patriots, and now I finally have it.
(icj1, 24 February 2014 13:20)

AE, your welcome, but you are aware that this is a Serbian based site??????? I’ve noticed that you tend to sleep walk. Perhaps you might want to seek out an Albanian equivalent, that’s if one exists considering your lot are still coming to terms with electricity.
However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.

rote

Tymoshenko is indeed same shady character as Yanukovich. I personally would have left her in prison to rot for her fraud crimes. It's that same mafia that robbed the country after state property became privatized and whether they are from the East or West, they are the same thing.

I am not personally aware of how corrupt next two politicians are, though knowing how ridiculously corrupt that country is, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Also of course, I am not saying president and high-placed politicians should not have nice, big house, but having nice big house and having several nice big houses - complete with private zoo, golf courses and toilets made of gold are two separate things, I am sure you will agree. Some moderation would not hurt Ukraine today.

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

I love the way you talk that baby talk. Reminds me of Lenard, Bam Bam and roberto. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X70VMrH3yBg

Sreten where in my comment did I claim this article on Russian interference in Ukraine is about Serbia? I made a comparison since this is a Serb News Outlet.

How much more informed could I be when you the reader is originaly so misinformed.......

According to you and typical Serbs "logic" Serbs killing babies in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova was the direct FAULT OF THE VICTIMS.

Even those evil freedom loving Americans and the EU must somehow be guilty of causing Serbs to committ MASS RAPES,ROBBERIES,ARSON,LOOTING,KIDNAPPING ETC........

The Hague according to your brilliance is full of "innocent Serbs" found "guilty" by UNSC authorized,funded and established international judges from all over the world.

These non Albanians somehow were led to believe Saintly Innocent Serbs ,who could never hurt some much as a fly arrested,transported ,put on trial and convicted at the Hague had to be a huge stage event just to tarnish HEAVENLY SERBS GOOD NATURED REPUTATION ..

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS ALL THE VICTIMS AREN'T IN AGREEMENT .......

Putin will now agitate & mobilise the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine and in the Crimea to engineer a succession...
(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 12:46)
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Funny that we are now seeing countries favouring western domination fracturing. First Georgia and now Ukraine. No more easy games for those dictators in Washington and Brussels.

The part of Ukraine that is populated by ethnic Russians was part of Russia once upon a time so it should just go back to where it belongs. It should be fairly obvious to all that the country is irreconcilably divided.

Yes, the Olympics are over and what a great event the Russians hosted. A big congrats to them for leading the medal tally both in total medals and the number of golds. Now that it is over, Putin can focus on cleaning up the mess the west created in Ukraine.

As for Yanukovich, nobody really cares for him. He is weak and will pay for it.

Azir.
Article is not about Serbia, but if you have to mention Serbia, you could at least make informed comment. In Slovenia, Slovenians resorted to violence attacking border posts of JNA. First burning homes in all of Yugoslavia were Serb homes in Croatia. Hundreds of Serb homes were burned in Zadar and Sibenik on May 2 , 1991 - first torching based on ethnicity of the owner. First massacre in Bosnia was in Sijekovac on March 26th 1992. Some 60 Serbs, including 17 children were slaughtered. KLA started its campaign on Feb 17 1996 by thorwing hand granades through the windos of the motel that was used to house refugees from Krajina. 8 refugees, 2 of them children died.
These are the facts!
And each time, those who were starting violance had EU and US backing...

The Antagonism/Competition between Germany(EU) and Russia,
has divided the Slavic Peoples in central Europe for Hundreds og Years.
The Slavic Peoples in central Europe(Some 150-175 millions) must unite to be strong enuff to hold bouth Germany and Russia at Bay.

This is Germanys(EUs) plotting as in the case of former Yugoslavia.

By the Way - Ukrain will never ever be a member of EU.

Arn.Sweden.

(icj1, 25 February 2014 05:27)

Ah I see your split personailty is now talking. Who is it this time? Abraham Lincoln? Now Abe ICJ is well known as the Albanian Einstein who maths are so far advanced that 2+2=10. That’s why Albanians are so respected through the world.
P.S AE = Albanian Einstein

Peter keep your Pollack Comments to yours self......... this means you.
(azir, 25 February 2014 11:34)

Hey azir, ever been tarred and feathered with sheep tar for rudeness and for annoying folks?

Well I must say, that south stream pipeline which bypasses western Ukraine is looking more and more important for Russia, and is looking like a brilliant move :).
As for Ukraine, it's finished. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea will secede and join Russia, most likely not peacefully. The leaders of this 'opposition' are lead by nazis, and are supported by the German run EU. Surprised? I'm not. Russia will prevail. And yes, despite all the anti-Russian propaganda, Sochi was a huge success!! Congratulations to Russia!
Cheers!!

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

The sick joke is you and your comments.Read on...

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/february/23/leave-ukraine-alone!.aspx

Ian's comments are among the most daft and incorrect revisionist versions of the situation in Ukraine, typical Russophobia often seen in the UK. Many people here seem to compare Russia's involvement in Ukraine to that of western actors, historically speaking Russia has more reason to have involvement, even though the west is interfering far more. Any of you people heard of the Kievan Rus? It was the first Russian state with Kiev as it's capital ruled by Russian monarchs, the founders of Russian Tsardom before Ukraine even existed as a state, let alone have it's own identity. But all you Russophobic morons here wouldn't have a clue about any of that would you. Russia will always have influence over this part of the world despite this crisis at the moment.

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

It gets alot better, muslim on muslim violence. Happens daily in every muslim country,Iraq Afganistan,Pakistan,Syria. Just to name the obvious ones. If u werent such a wannabe Serb, and read news sources outside of Serbia u might know this :). And dont worry bout Ukraine or slavs, we get it together when it counts.

(SCP UK, 24 February 2014 19:30)

I hate to break it to you, but Kievan Rus wasn't the first Russian state, it was a state belonging to the Rus' people. The Rus' people were Varangians, which is what the Greeks and East Slavs called 'Vikings' aka Norsemen originating from Scandanvia/ the Baltics.

As to your "historically speaking Russia has more reason to have involvement" comment; that'd be like me saying "historically speaking Britain has more reason to have involvement" in Ireland or any former British colony.

Also, I'm not Russophobic, I'm a Russophile. Russia is my favourite country in the world, I love Russia; I just don't agree with Putin and his cronies.

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(Leonidas, 24 February 2014 19:09)

Your link is broken, but I can tell from the web address that it has something to do with Ron Paul.

I couldn't give a **** what Ron Paul has to say on anthying!

rote

It's not bad news for Poland which terms of Ukraine remain part of an independent Ukraine and which ones would be rejoined to Russia.

From the traditional East-West divide of Ukraine, 9 regions could be considered pro-Russian and if Ukraine were to split peacefully ala Czechoslovakia then I don't see why it would be a problem. Which others did you have in mind if not Kharkiv, Donetsk, Lugansk, Mikolaiv, Kherson, Odessa, Crimea, Dnipopetrovsk and Zaporozhia?

What is most important for Poland here is peace. We do not want a war at our doorstep. I believe Russia also does not want to send troops there.

@ (Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

It's Russia this and it's Russia that...., eh Ian?
You do know that without Texas having your backs on this one, that *PUTINMAN*is gonna open yall another one
and breathe behind your soft milky-silky necks till the cows home--or the usual--the sheriff comes to your rescue again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15It4sYLRI

Slav on Slav violence...….. it couldn't get any better :)
(azir, 24 February 2014 18:51)

Slav on Albanian making whoopie......it couldn't get any worst ;)

(Nikolle, 24 February 2014 16:42)

Watch and learn my little Albanian sheep herder, just watch and learn. Ahhh, Russia has blood on it hand, but the west murder with democratic feelings in their hearts eh?
Well let’s look at the democracies that your great friend the US upholds – Saudi Arabia, a beacon of democracy, Kuwait, Bahrain, the Yemeni democracy, the new government in Egypt, Libya. Perhaps you have forgotten the murderous regimes in the Philippines such as the Marco family, or South American dictators, eh?
Russia will secure Ukraine one way or another because this is really a battle for control of Europe. Once Moscow win, Thaci will be looking for a nice big rock to crawl under in New York while your rabble will seek new accommodation in Albania.

sj

if what you wrote is true (it isn't, your imagination is getting the better of you again), then Russia is directly responsible for the chaos in Ukraine. of course, since i have come to believe that you suffer from FPP, i choose not to laugh at you any more.

The "mess the west created in Ukraine"? That has to be some sort of sick joke.

(Ian, UK, 24 February 2014 16:14)

The sick joke is you and your comments.Read on...

[link]!.aspx
(Leonidas, 24 February 2014 19:09)

Leonidas is this the best you can do?!?!?! You said we, greeks, are polite, have a unique culture and this and that?? This post of yours does not reflect that! You just become a bit of a joke with this post!!!!


Russian state and its dictator, not Russian people, is to blame directly for all the troubles that happened in Ukraine...

"AE, your welcome, but you are aware that this is a Serbian based site??????? I’ve noticed that you tend to sleep walk. Perhaps you might want to seek out an Albanian equivalent, that’s if one exists considering your lot are still coming to terms with electricity."
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

I'd certainly do that if Albanians were to be my lot... Thanks for the excellent advice, anyway.
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However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

Unfortunately I can't do that, since it's not me but the CE of B92 forums sj that always speaks about the successes above. I'm sure he/she would be more than happy to entertain you with that information.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Your link is broken, but I can tell from the web address that it has something to do with Ron Paul.

I couldn't give a **** what Ron Paul has to say on anthying!
(Ian, UK, 25 February 2014 00:06)

For such an expert on cut & paste like yourself it wouldn't be difficult to open my link.Basically Ron Paul gives an answer to all your nonsense about who caused the orange revolution in Ukraine and the rest.One would think-irrespective of which side of the fence he's sitting on-that since Ron Paul's opinion is mentioned in various media outlets around the world carries more weight than the propagandist and revisionist versions of the situation in Uraine yu air on this site.

(Reader, 24 February 2014 14:21)

ZZZZZZ, I said its my opinion and I don’t base that on any fact.
Let’s put you in the picture. The east, which takes in all of the land along the Black Sea is the rich part and it’s occupied by Russians considering that part was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in the early 1960s.
The western part, who favour closer ties to the EU are dirt poor and they are Catholics . Russia will never allow NATO any near there, so take of that pumpkin you call a head and put on brains into gear and give it some thought.
Actually this is a fight for control of Europe. Mate you can Kosova all you like it belongs to Serbs and always will. A new leadership is on the way – oh it seems the US is in the process of drastically reducing its military, but disguised as BS about being able to buy better equipment. Enjoy it while you can.

Peter

The you know the new “revolutionaries” are nothing better …

timoshenko’s realty

http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=+%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B8+%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2+%D0%AE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B8+%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE&icolor=&itype=&iorient=&isize=&type=&site=&wp=&recent=&iw=&ih=

yatsenuk’s realty

http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C+%D1%8F%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8E%D0%BA%D0%B0&icolor=&itype=&iorient=&isize=&type=&site=&wp=&recent=&iw=&ih=

poroshenko’s villa

http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/166117/poroshenko_nikak_ne_dostroit_gigantskiyi_osobnyak_pod_kievom_fotoreportaj

Peter

You know Russians are fed up with wars. But this time we talk about our own lands. Before 1953 Russia was ruled by the Georgian (though ethnically Stalin was an Ossetian) and then mostly by the people born in the Ukraine. Everybody added to this country some lands. Father of the Ukraine was Lasar Kaganovich who included here several central regions with Kiev. Later in 1919 Lenin added 9 more regions “to increase proletarian element in the Ukraine”. In 1923 Stalin added Donetsk and Taganrog (later was back). More than that USSR supported Grushevsky’s demand for Tambov, Voronezh, Belgorod , Briansk and other regions. Later they asked for Rostov-na-Donu ect. So their appetites has always been high.

In 1956 Khrushev granted them Crimea while there’s not a single document saying that Sevastopol was also passed that last 100 years was a separate region. If I am not mistaken Poltava has also been passed by Lenin. So it depends on how to count and some of the central regions still hesitate. Time will show the if they still feel themselves Russians and if they have Russian balls. We are lacking leaders in the south-east. Also local elites belong to Regions of Yanuk and may play a Trojan Horse role. Moscow had only a couple of day to get involved. So it’s a big question what regions will split. Besides Ukraine may face territorial problems also with Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Romania , Moldova and Turkey. Let’s see the events to develop especially in Crimea.

To - (SCP UK, 24 February 2014 19:30).

It was the Swedish Vikings from the Part of Sweden called Ros-lagen who founded the three Russian States,
Novgorodskaya Ros - Kievskaya Ros and from there with the Help of those two Slavic states went Eastward and founded - Moskowskaya Ros.

In the Swedish Ruling we hawe - Three Crowns - Symbolising Three Kingdoms -

Swea - Göta - Vendes King.

Vender was a name of Slavic Peoples.

Arn.Sweden.

Let’s make stakes !

I bet this year the new Russian state border will run over Dnieper. There will be bloodshed but not much. Happy end is also guaranteed. Russia will have back it’s 6 industrial regions presented by Lenin to Malorossia in 1919 plus Crimea plus Sevastopol city presented by Khrushev in1956 plus Odessa plus Nikolaev ect. The West will have back the 4 Nazi regions joined by Stalin in 1939. Kharkov city will again become the capitol this time of Malorossia. Russia will have it’s industry and chrnozem black earth while the west will have the beggar Nazi regions they had trained for the Ukrainian Spring. Everything will happen this year coz Putin will have no other chance. He cannot afford leaving these Russian lands within this mad land. Azov will become internal sea before the new year. Maybe not de jure but only de facto. After the Olympics are successfully over a lot of energy will be emitted in Russia to realize this idea fix of Mr. Putin.

Peter

Before today I liked most of your posts. But today I care not much about the toilets. Russian oligarchs as you know are nothing better. What I really care about is that we are inevitably approaching the margin line where we two will again stop to understand each other. This time I’ll try to be a gentleman. What I mean is that Putin has got very little tactical maneuver and we are close to the hysteria the West will start as soon as Russia is involved. The thing is Russia will take the historical chance to return our lands back home. You know how the Poles will react. So when it becomes evident please don’t call names but for a minute imagine yourself a Russian. We have to bite away at least Malorossia and Crimea. I mean 12-15 regions out of 28. All Russians think so.

Others are inhabited by the Ukrainians and they will be free to decide where to beg money from. I am not sure the south-east will join us de jure but de facto Putin will be at the command here by the end of the year. I know it’s a bad news for you but I can see no way of how Putin can escape such an escalation. This year the merely hidden new cold war will become open. It’s a bad news for Russia as well coz we’ll become a sieged camp mudded by everybody. Also I expect bloodshed in the Ukraine. So we’ll have to destroy them first. I believe that after the hysteria is over Poland will become our close ally in the Ukraine.

However, do entertain us with all the successes the west has had so far – Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia. Let’s hear it.
P.S. A.E. = Albanian Einstein.
(sj, 24 February 2014 22:17)

Unfortunately I can't do that, since it's not me but the CE of B92 forums sj that always speaks about the successes above. I'm sure he/she would be more than happy to entertain you with that information.
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 25 February 2014 05:27)

Ah I see your split personailty is now talking. Who is it this time? Abraham Lincoln? Now Abe ICJ is well known as the Albanian Einstein who maths are so far advanced that 2+2=10. That’s why Albanians are so respected through the world.
P.S AE = Albanian Einstein
(sj, 25 February 2014 13:49)

I'm so sorry I could not help you with the successes of the west in those countries... That's something that the CE of B92 forums sj, not me, came up with, so the only help I can provide is to ask him/her to entertain us with that information about the successes of the west, if you don't want to ask him/her directly. Let me know...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Much has been said about Yanukovych's estate. But I'd like to know, did he actually build it for himself or take it over from Tymoshenko? Where did Tymoshenko live? Most countries have some place of residence for the president. That's not what this place is?

It’s a bad news for Russia as well coz we’ll become a sieged camp mudded by everybody. Also I expect bloodshed in the Ukraine. So we’ll have to destroy them first. I believe that after the hysteria is over Poland will become our close ally in the Ukraine.
(rote, 25 February 2014 14:16)

rote,

I see that paranoia has got the best of you. How many times did you have to change underwear today.
You really must try to calm down. I know the Ukrainians are in control of many nuke sites, but I doubt they will use them on you Russians, after all, who will they be able to sell all their wheat and grains.