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Wednesday, 05.02.2014.

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"Orić should have been arrested in Serbia"

Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić says wartime Bosnian Muslim commander Naser Orić "was coming to Serbia," and that "the plan was to arrest him here."

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Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.
(njegos, 10 February 2014 15:09)

He was initially found guilty of failing to prevent men under his command killing and mistreating six Bosnian Serb prisoners. http://www.icty.org/sid/8727 http://www.icty.org/sid/8266

Later on the appeals chamber of the ICTY aquitted him of all charges. http://www.icty.org/sid/9939

Oric was never found guilty or even charged of the killing of 3,500 people.

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Ian: "Oric is a war criminal? He was acquiited remember?"

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming you've never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldn't because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...
(NjegosUK, 9 February 2014 23:48)

I just find the Balkans interesting and B92 is good for news. How often is the Balkans in the British media? Once a blue moon. Serb bashing? I never done that. I've stated before that Serb civilians have been victims of the conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo. I don't have any anti-Serbian views. Just because I don't worship Serbs and Serbia doesn't mean that I'm Anti-Serbian. What I want to know is, what are these Anti-Serbian views that I apparently have?

You live in Halifax. I know there is a Serb community there which stems from refugees from WW2. There is even a Serbian Orthodox Church there, St John the Baptist I think.

NjegosUK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming youve never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldnt because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...

Aleks

pre 10 godina

Ian, you compiled a list of people charged with war crimes against Serbs to use in an argument that Serbs are getting justice (they're not). It was to put a negative spin against Serbs. The fact is most are not charged or as in the case of Gotovina, released outright. Politics is dirty.

You have never stated you hate Serbs, but you have 'stated' it. Nobody here is stupid, your psychological twist on words mean nothing to me and most others here. Many are perfectly capable of putting 2 and 2 together. Your posts speak for themselves. You have to be an idiot to think that Thaci is not a war criminal and Oric is innocent. You take every chance possible to minimize or dismiss any act against Serbs or charges brought on people against Serbs. You think it takes a genius to see this? Your posts are full it. Also, Oric was accused of crimes that took place in Yugoslavia which Serbia was apart of. You neglect that fact. Regardless, your posts are riddled against Serbs and you most certainly don't like us and have negative views. That's fine, but at least be a man and admit it. Trying to be 'smart' only makes you look worse.

Oh, and I don't save posts and whatever other things you do on here…for someone who just posts on his free time you seem to keep tabs on everything. Nobody has to see previous posts, just read current and future ones to see your one sided negativity.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
[link]
(Billy Why, Texas, 7 February 2014 21:43)

Your mother?

Billy Why, Texas

pre 10 godina

What mistakes are them?
(Ian, UK, 5 February 2014 15:47)

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczAqe_s8AQ

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Aleks in Chicago, 7 February 2014 03:02)

I have never said a bad word about Serbs or Serbia. If you believe otherwise, please prove me wrong with quotes.

I have never disregarded Serb victims of the 1990's. I have on many occasions said that Serbs have been the victims of war crimes at the hands of Bosniaks, Croats and Kosovans. I once made a list of all those imprisoned by the Hague Tribunal for war crimes against Serbs.

http://www.b92.net/mobilni/eng/comments.php?nav_id=83620&order=tu20-m

Foreign Citizens can be arrested in any country, that isn't the issue here. Bin Laden was believed to be guiltily of a crime which took place in the US and Bin Laden was a regular visitor to the US and was believed to be guilty of conspiracy to plan a terrorist attack in the US. However I don't believe a word the US has to say regarding 11th September 2001. An arrest warrant was issued for Bin Laden for a crime which took place on US soil which he was believed to be guilty of. I'm not aware that the UK issued an warrant for his arrest, this is the first I've heard of it.

Where I'm from, one is innocent until proven guilty; not guilty until proven innocent.

Yes, you have me figured out. I'm an Albanian-Bosniak who is paid to post comments on B92 lol! If you don't believe who I am, add me on Facebook: www.facebook.com/ijanderson

I don't hide behind anything!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Niko, 6 February 2014 13:51)

The government revoked these warrants two days after they were issued by courts, then the UK changed the law to stop courts from issuing these warrants as it wasn't deemed legit.

Aleks in Chicago

pre 10 godina

Ian, your full of dung, period. Nothing against Serbs or Serbia? YOU are the sadist, and do nothing but trash talk Serbs and Serbia and disregard their victims. You justify their murders at every corner. The US and UK issued arrest warrants for Bin Laden. Bin Laden was not a US citizen. Even more to the point, they have issued arrest warrants against many people who comitted acts that were not US citizens. Just like Naser Oric, who is of the same cloth, he comitted those crimes. Your ignorance and stupidity is beyond belief, only surpassed by your hatred. It's a blinding hatred that only makes you look stupid. Like I have said many times, you are not a 3rd party observer. You are one of a few things...either paid to post here, an Albanian, or Bosniak. Keep hiding behind 'Ian UK' though and enjoy your platform where you can spew garbage everyday.

I'm not here to portray innocence of Serbs as they have their guilt, but it's not more than what Albanians, Bosniaks, and Croats did. You have complete ignorance to their disgusting cromes, and people like Oric and Thaci get away with it. It doesn't mean they're innocent.

an honest albanian

pre 10 godina

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?

http://dalje.com/en-world/who-is-hashim-snake-thaci/125467

... the statements by Bujar Bukoshi, the former premier in Ibrahim Rogov’s exiled cabinet, who said in Hashim’s rise:

-"Cadavers have never been an obstacle to Thaci’s career".

njegos

pre 10 godina

To Ian, Captain America, et al: Nasir Oric bragged in an intervirew with the Christain Scinece Monitor that he ambushed several Serbs from villages in eastern Bosnia well before the Srebrenica incident of international infamy. In these ambushes, he boasted how he and his men decapitated Serbs and killed them in other gruesome ways. I will try to look the article up to give you specifics. The fact is that thousands of Serb villagers from eastern Bosnia were killed in barbaric ways and Oric was the ringleader. When he was acquitted by the Hague Tribunal, it was obvious that the tribunal was a tool of the west that had pre-ordained who the good guys were and who the bad guys were in a 3-way civil war. Sad but true.

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Milam: Serbia DID send special forces to Bosnia, both Seselj's and Arkan's. They did not, however, have a remit to kill 'scum' but pretty much anyone who refused to be cleansed from homes that they had occupied all their lives. If you are talking about one off assassinations, the organised criminals, which includes Oric, usually sort this out amongst themselves.

Niko

pre 10 godina

Ian,

In answer to your question...

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do!

here goes

On November 1st 2010, Israeli Defense Minister Dan Meridor was forced to cancel a trip to England, fearing arrest. Next, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni opted out of a London visit for the same reason; a fresh warrant with her name on it for her oversight of the murderously successful Operation Cast Lead.

Along with Livni and Meridor, warrants have also been issued for the former Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, former Defense chief-of-staff Moshe Ya’Alon and former air force chief Dan Halutz; all signed by British judges in accordance with international legal doctrine.

The grounds for English justice derives from the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, enacted in 1987; itself a follow-up to the Geneva Convention of 1957. Within the provisions of the treaty’s framework, all signatories are to uphold the rule of law pertaining to war crimes; any court of any nation signing onto the treaty is empowered to implement indictments accordingly (even if the acts in question take place over foreign soil).

A quick search and the first hit on google.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats). military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.
(ida, 6 February 2014 07:49)

What a vile disgusting horrible comment!

You have tried justifying the execution of 19 innocent people for the crime of being "military-aged males who were going to Bosnia".

You're a sadist!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.
(Aleks, 5 February 2014 21:02)

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do.

I have nothing against Serbia or Serbs. I disagree with individuals, not countries or ethnic groups.

I want to "deflect attention to Serbian war crimes"? Incorrect. I've not mentioned Serbian War Crimes, you did though. I briefly mention that Serbs have been aquitted by the Hague Tribunal.

Oric is a war criminal? He was aquitted remember. I think you want Oric to be a criminal.

Thaci is a criminal? What has he done? I want hard facts, not rumours and allegations. And again, I think you want Thaci to be a criminal.

ida

pre 10 godina

"What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!"

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats).
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.

Milam

pre 10 godina

Serbia should have sent special forces to eliminate Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian scum a long time ago, like the Mossad did and does with the thugs they had and have to deal with.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? (Ian, UK)

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.

Captain America

pre 10 godina

This is too funny.

Whenever Serbia is about to lose big time in a deal or someone that is Serbian gets arrested for War Crimes, they suddenly manufacture their own "arrest warrants" against alleged "war criminals". Or they automatically begin reporting about that movie "dick Marty and the seven dwarfs".

Its a technique called "deflection". In an attempt to draw attention away from a critical event, they make up an event of their own to draw people in.

Its pathetic that they always resort to this technique. However, it is entertaining. I'm still waiting for articles about "the Yellow House" to start popping up....its time... haha!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? Serbia's judiciary and laws do not stand in Bosnia. If these suspected War Crimes were alleged to have taken place in Serbia and not Bosnia, I could understand it better. And this is before one takes into account that he has already been tried and acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. I think Serbia would get all mardy if Bosnia started issuing Interpol arrest warrants for all the Serbs acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. Bosnia would have a better leg to stand on as the arrest warrants would be for people who are suspected of committing crimes on their territory where their jurisdiction stands.

Serbia has issued an arrest warrant for a foreign citizen for committing alleged war crimes in a foreign country despite already being acquitted for these War Crimes by the Hague Tribunal. What happens in Bosnia is nothing to do with Serbia's judiciary.

Then Serbian politicians have the cheek to get all mardy when people are arrested in Kosovo. Double standards! This is why no-one (apart from perhaps Russia) will take Serbia seriously when they issue Interpol arrest warrants and why no-one will be extradited to Serbia. Agim Ceku was stopped in Columbia due to an Interpol arrest warrant issued by Serbia but he was duly released and Columbia didn't extradite him.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

"Those who were supposed to protect passengers from highwaymen - helped to carry out the kidnapping. The passengers were identified in order to see their names, the train was not stopped, witnesses were not questions, indeed a number of mistakes occurred [sic] that someone has to answer for," said Vekaric.

---------

What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!

Aleks

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? (Ian, UK)

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? Serbia's judiciary and laws do not stand in Bosnia. If these suspected War Crimes were alleged to have taken place in Serbia and not Bosnia, I could understand it better. And this is before one takes into account that he has already been tried and acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. I think Serbia would get all mardy if Bosnia started issuing Interpol arrest warrants for all the Serbs acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. Bosnia would have a better leg to stand on as the arrest warrants would be for people who are suspected of committing crimes on their territory where their jurisdiction stands.

Serbia has issued an arrest warrant for a foreign citizen for committing alleged war crimes in a foreign country despite already being acquitted for these War Crimes by the Hague Tribunal. What happens in Bosnia is nothing to do with Serbia's judiciary.

Then Serbian politicians have the cheek to get all mardy when people are arrested in Kosovo. Double standards! This is why no-one (apart from perhaps Russia) will take Serbia seriously when they issue Interpol arrest warrants and why no-one will be extradited to Serbia. Agim Ceku was stopped in Columbia due to an Interpol arrest warrant issued by Serbia but he was duly released and Columbia didn't extradite him.

Captain America

pre 10 godina

This is too funny.

Whenever Serbia is about to lose big time in a deal or someone that is Serbian gets arrested for War Crimes, they suddenly manufacture their own "arrest warrants" against alleged "war criminals". Or they automatically begin reporting about that movie "dick Marty and the seven dwarfs".

Its a technique called "deflection". In an attempt to draw attention away from a critical event, they make up an event of their own to draw people in.

Its pathetic that they always resort to this technique. However, it is entertaining. I'm still waiting for articles about "the Yellow House" to start popping up....its time... haha!

Milam

pre 10 godina

Serbia should have sent special forces to eliminate Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian scum a long time ago, like the Mossad did and does with the thugs they had and have to deal with.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats). military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.
(ida, 6 February 2014 07:49)

What a vile disgusting horrible comment!

You have tried justifying the execution of 19 innocent people for the crime of being "military-aged males who were going to Bosnia".

You're a sadist!

njegos

pre 10 godina

To Ian, Captain America, et al: Nasir Oric bragged in an intervirew with the Christain Scinece Monitor that he ambushed several Serbs from villages in eastern Bosnia well before the Srebrenica incident of international infamy. In these ambushes, he boasted how he and his men decapitated Serbs and killed them in other gruesome ways. I will try to look the article up to give you specifics. The fact is that thousands of Serb villagers from eastern Bosnia were killed in barbaric ways and Oric was the ringleader. When he was acquitted by the Hague Tribunal, it was obvious that the tribunal was a tool of the west that had pre-ordained who the good guys were and who the bad guys were in a 3-way civil war. Sad but true.

Aleks in Chicago

pre 10 godina

Ian, your full of dung, period. Nothing against Serbs or Serbia? YOU are the sadist, and do nothing but trash talk Serbs and Serbia and disregard their victims. You justify their murders at every corner. The US and UK issued arrest warrants for Bin Laden. Bin Laden was not a US citizen. Even more to the point, they have issued arrest warrants against many people who comitted acts that were not US citizens. Just like Naser Oric, who is of the same cloth, he comitted those crimes. Your ignorance and stupidity is beyond belief, only surpassed by your hatred. It's a blinding hatred that only makes you look stupid. Like I have said many times, you are not a 3rd party observer. You are one of a few things...either paid to post here, an Albanian, or Bosniak. Keep hiding behind 'Ian UK' though and enjoy your platform where you can spew garbage everyday.

I'm not here to portray innocence of Serbs as they have their guilt, but it's not more than what Albanians, Bosniaks, and Croats did. You have complete ignorance to their disgusting cromes, and people like Oric and Thaci get away with it. It doesn't mean they're innocent.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Aleks in Chicago, 7 February 2014 03:02)

I have never said a bad word about Serbs or Serbia. If you believe otherwise, please prove me wrong with quotes.

I have never disregarded Serb victims of the 1990's. I have on many occasions said that Serbs have been the victims of war crimes at the hands of Bosniaks, Croats and Kosovans. I once made a list of all those imprisoned by the Hague Tribunal for war crimes against Serbs.

http://www.b92.net/mobilni/eng/comments.php?nav_id=83620&order=tu20-m

Foreign Citizens can be arrested in any country, that isn't the issue here. Bin Laden was believed to be guiltily of a crime which took place in the US and Bin Laden was a regular visitor to the US and was believed to be guilty of conspiracy to plan a terrorist attack in the US. However I don't believe a word the US has to say regarding 11th September 2001. An arrest warrant was issued for Bin Laden for a crime which took place on US soil which he was believed to be guilty of. I'm not aware that the UK issued an warrant for his arrest, this is the first I've heard of it.

Where I'm from, one is innocent until proven guilty; not guilty until proven innocent.

Yes, you have me figured out. I'm an Albanian-Bosniak who is paid to post comments on B92 lol! If you don't believe who I am, add me on Facebook: www.facebook.com/ijanderson

I don't hide behind anything!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

"Those who were supposed to protect passengers from highwaymen - helped to carry out the kidnapping. The passengers were identified in order to see their names, the train was not stopped, witnesses were not questions, indeed a number of mistakes occurred [sic] that someone has to answer for," said Vekaric.

---------

What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.
(Aleks, 5 February 2014 21:02)

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do.

I have nothing against Serbia or Serbs. I disagree with individuals, not countries or ethnic groups.

I want to "deflect attention to Serbian war crimes"? Incorrect. I've not mentioned Serbian War Crimes, you did though. I briefly mention that Serbs have been aquitted by the Hague Tribunal.

Oric is a war criminal? He was aquitted remember. I think you want Oric to be a criminal.

Thaci is a criminal? What has he done? I want hard facts, not rumours and allegations. And again, I think you want Thaci to be a criminal.

Niko

pre 10 godina

Ian,

In answer to your question...

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do!

here goes

On November 1st 2010, Israeli Defense Minister Dan Meridor was forced to cancel a trip to England, fearing arrest. Next, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni opted out of a London visit for the same reason; a fresh warrant with her name on it for her oversight of the murderously successful Operation Cast Lead.

Along with Livni and Meridor, warrants have also been issued for the former Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, former Defense chief-of-staff Moshe Ya’Alon and former air force chief Dan Halutz; all signed by British judges in accordance with international legal doctrine.

The grounds for English justice derives from the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, enacted in 1987; itself a follow-up to the Geneva Convention of 1957. Within the provisions of the treaty’s framework, all signatories are to uphold the rule of law pertaining to war crimes; any court of any nation signing onto the treaty is empowered to implement indictments accordingly (even if the acts in question take place over foreign soil).

A quick search and the first hit on google.

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Milam: Serbia DID send special forces to Bosnia, both Seselj's and Arkan's. They did not, however, have a remit to kill 'scum' but pretty much anyone who refused to be cleansed from homes that they had occupied all their lives. If you are talking about one off assassinations, the organised criminals, which includes Oric, usually sort this out amongst themselves.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Niko, 6 February 2014 13:51)

The government revoked these warrants two days after they were issued by courts, then the UK changed the law to stop courts from issuing these warrants as it wasn't deemed legit.

ida

pre 10 godina

"What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!"

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats).
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.

an honest albanian

pre 10 godina

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?

http://dalje.com/en-world/who-is-hashim-snake-thaci/125467

... the statements by Bujar Bukoshi, the former premier in Ibrahim Rogov’s exiled cabinet, who said in Hashim’s rise:

-"Cadavers have never been an obstacle to Thaci’s career".

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
[link]
(Billy Why, Texas, 7 February 2014 21:43)

Your mother?

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming you've never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldn't because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...
(NjegosUK, 9 February 2014 23:48)

I just find the Balkans interesting and B92 is good for news. How often is the Balkans in the British media? Once a blue moon. Serb bashing? I never done that. I've stated before that Serb civilians have been victims of the conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo. I don't have any anti-Serbian views. Just because I don't worship Serbs and Serbia doesn't mean that I'm Anti-Serbian. What I want to know is, what are these Anti-Serbian views that I apparently have?

You live in Halifax. I know there is a Serb community there which stems from refugees from WW2. There is even a Serbian Orthodox Church there, St John the Baptist I think.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.
(njegos, 10 February 2014 15:09)

He was initially found guilty of failing to prevent men under his command killing and mistreating six Bosnian Serb prisoners. http://www.icty.org/sid/8727 http://www.icty.org/sid/8266

Later on the appeals chamber of the ICTY aquitted him of all charges. http://www.icty.org/sid/9939

Oric was never found guilty or even charged of the killing of 3,500 people.

Billy Why, Texas

pre 10 godina

What mistakes are them?
(Ian, UK, 5 February 2014 15:47)

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczAqe_s8AQ

Aleks

pre 10 godina

Ian, you compiled a list of people charged with war crimes against Serbs to use in an argument that Serbs are getting justice (they're not). It was to put a negative spin against Serbs. The fact is most are not charged or as in the case of Gotovina, released outright. Politics is dirty.

You have never stated you hate Serbs, but you have 'stated' it. Nobody here is stupid, your psychological twist on words mean nothing to me and most others here. Many are perfectly capable of putting 2 and 2 together. Your posts speak for themselves. You have to be an idiot to think that Thaci is not a war criminal and Oric is innocent. You take every chance possible to minimize or dismiss any act against Serbs or charges brought on people against Serbs. You think it takes a genius to see this? Your posts are full it. Also, Oric was accused of crimes that took place in Yugoslavia which Serbia was apart of. You neglect that fact. Regardless, your posts are riddled against Serbs and you most certainly don't like us and have negative views. That's fine, but at least be a man and admit it. Trying to be 'smart' only makes you look worse.

Oh, and I don't save posts and whatever other things you do on here…for someone who just posts on his free time you seem to keep tabs on everything. Nobody has to see previous posts, just read current and future ones to see your one sided negativity.

NjegosUK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming youve never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldnt because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Ian: "Oric is a war criminal? He was acquiited remember?"

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.

Captain America

pre 10 godina

This is too funny.

Whenever Serbia is about to lose big time in a deal or someone that is Serbian gets arrested for War Crimes, they suddenly manufacture their own "arrest warrants" against alleged "war criminals". Or they automatically begin reporting about that movie "dick Marty and the seven dwarfs".

Its a technique called "deflection". In an attempt to draw attention away from a critical event, they make up an event of their own to draw people in.

Its pathetic that they always resort to this technique. However, it is entertaining. I'm still waiting for articles about "the Yellow House" to start popping up....its time... haha!

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? Serbia's judiciary and laws do not stand in Bosnia. If these suspected War Crimes were alleged to have taken place in Serbia and not Bosnia, I could understand it better. And this is before one takes into account that he has already been tried and acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. I think Serbia would get all mardy if Bosnia started issuing Interpol arrest warrants for all the Serbs acquitted by the Hague Tribunal. Bosnia would have a better leg to stand on as the arrest warrants would be for people who are suspected of committing crimes on their territory where their jurisdiction stands.

Serbia has issued an arrest warrant for a foreign citizen for committing alleged war crimes in a foreign country despite already being acquitted for these War Crimes by the Hague Tribunal. What happens in Bosnia is nothing to do with Serbia's judiciary.

Then Serbian politicians have the cheek to get all mardy when people are arrested in Kosovo. Double standards! This is why no-one (apart from perhaps Russia) will take Serbia seriously when they issue Interpol arrest warrants and why no-one will be extradited to Serbia. Agim Ceku was stopped in Columbia due to an Interpol arrest warrant issued by Serbia but he was duly released and Columbia didn't extradite him.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

"Those who were supposed to protect passengers from highwaymen - helped to carry out the kidnapping. The passengers were identified in order to see their names, the train was not stopped, witnesses were not questions, indeed a number of mistakes occurred [sic] that someone has to answer for," said Vekaric.

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What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!

ida

pre 10 godina

"What mistakes are them? The execution of 19 innocent people perhaps? This man is beyond a joke!"

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats).
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.
(Aleks, 5 February 2014 21:02)

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do.

I have nothing against Serbia or Serbs. I disagree with individuals, not countries or ethnic groups.

I want to "deflect attention to Serbian war crimes"? Incorrect. I've not mentioned Serbian War Crimes, you did though. I briefly mention that Serbs have been aquitted by the Hague Tribunal.

Oric is a war criminal? He was aquitted remember. I think you want Oric to be a criminal.

Thaci is a criminal? What has he done? I want hard facts, not rumours and allegations. And again, I think you want Thaci to be a criminal.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Naser Oric killed much more than 19 people. Plus those so-called "innocent" "mostly civilians" were all (which had many going to Bosnia and committing murder and other war crimes against Serbs and even Croats). military-aged males who were going to Bosnia from Sandzak
So even if they were considered technically "civilians" - they were going to become paramilitary or military as soon as they arrived in Bosnia.
(ida, 6 February 2014 07:49)

What a vile disgusting horrible comment!

You have tried justifying the execution of 19 innocent people for the crime of being "military-aged males who were going to Bosnia".

You're a sadist!

Aleks in Chicago

pre 10 godina

Ian, your full of dung, period. Nothing against Serbs or Serbia? YOU are the sadist, and do nothing but trash talk Serbs and Serbia and disregard their victims. You justify their murders at every corner. The US and UK issued arrest warrants for Bin Laden. Bin Laden was not a US citizen. Even more to the point, they have issued arrest warrants against many people who comitted acts that were not US citizens. Just like Naser Oric, who is of the same cloth, he comitted those crimes. Your ignorance and stupidity is beyond belief, only surpassed by your hatred. It's a blinding hatred that only makes you look stupid. Like I have said many times, you are not a 3rd party observer. You are one of a few things...either paid to post here, an Albanian, or Bosniak. Keep hiding behind 'Ian UK' though and enjoy your platform where you can spew garbage everyday.

I'm not here to portray innocence of Serbs as they have their guilt, but it's not more than what Albanians, Bosniaks, and Croats did. You have complete ignorance to their disgusting cromes, and people like Oric and Thaci get away with it. It doesn't mean they're innocent.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

How can the Serbian War Crimes Prosecution issue an Interpol arrest warrant for Naser Oric on the grounds of suspected War Crimes in Eastern Bosnia (a foreign country) where Serbia has no jurisdiction? (Ian, UK)

That's a funny one, maybe you can answer your own question. How does the UK and the US do this? They have issued warrants on the grounds of war crimes in foreign countries where they have no jurisdiction. You live to celebrate the drowning of Serbia and Serbs, so your thoughts are quite pointless as your agenda is quite obvious. Oric is a war criminal, period. Spruce up your bs, yell and scream what you want, deflect attention to Serbian war crimes, none of it changes the facts that Oric is a war criminal. Thaci is too.

an honest albanian

pre 10 godina

Who is Hashim “Snake” Thaci?

http://dalje.com/en-world/who-is-hashim-snake-thaci/125467

... the statements by Bujar Bukoshi, the former premier in Ibrahim Rogov’s exiled cabinet, who said in Hashim’s rise:

-"Cadavers have never been an obstacle to Thaci’s career".

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Aleks in Chicago, 7 February 2014 03:02)

I have never said a bad word about Serbs or Serbia. If you believe otherwise, please prove me wrong with quotes.

I have never disregarded Serb victims of the 1990's. I have on many occasions said that Serbs have been the victims of war crimes at the hands of Bosniaks, Croats and Kosovans. I once made a list of all those imprisoned by the Hague Tribunal for war crimes against Serbs.

http://www.b92.net/mobilni/eng/comments.php?nav_id=83620&order=tu20-m

Foreign Citizens can be arrested in any country, that isn't the issue here. Bin Laden was believed to be guiltily of a crime which took place in the US and Bin Laden was a regular visitor to the US and was believed to be guilty of conspiracy to plan a terrorist attack in the US. However I don't believe a word the US has to say regarding 11th September 2001. An arrest warrant was issued for Bin Laden for a crime which took place on US soil which he was believed to be guilty of. I'm not aware that the UK issued an warrant for his arrest, this is the first I've heard of it.

Where I'm from, one is innocent until proven guilty; not guilty until proven innocent.

Yes, you have me figured out. I'm an Albanian-Bosniak who is paid to post comments on B92 lol! If you don't believe who I am, add me on Facebook: www.facebook.com/ijanderson

I don't hide behind anything!

Niko

pre 10 godina

Ian,

In answer to your question...

Which arrest warrants have the UK and US issued for war crimes in foreign countries? One example will do!

here goes

On November 1st 2010, Israeli Defense Minister Dan Meridor was forced to cancel a trip to England, fearing arrest. Next, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni opted out of a London visit for the same reason; a fresh warrant with her name on it for her oversight of the murderously successful Operation Cast Lead.

Along with Livni and Meridor, warrants have also been issued for the former Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, former Defense chief-of-staff Moshe Ya’Alon and former air force chief Dan Halutz; all signed by British judges in accordance with international legal doctrine.

The grounds for English justice derives from the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, enacted in 1987; itself a follow-up to the Geneva Convention of 1957. Within the provisions of the treaty’s framework, all signatories are to uphold the rule of law pertaining to war crimes; any court of any nation signing onto the treaty is empowered to implement indictments accordingly (even if the acts in question take place over foreign soil).

A quick search and the first hit on google.

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Milam: Serbia DID send special forces to Bosnia, both Seselj's and Arkan's. They did not, however, have a remit to kill 'scum' but pretty much anyone who refused to be cleansed from homes that they had occupied all their lives. If you are talking about one off assassinations, the organised criminals, which includes Oric, usually sort this out amongst themselves.

njegos

pre 10 godina

To Ian, Captain America, et al: Nasir Oric bragged in an intervirew with the Christain Scinece Monitor that he ambushed several Serbs from villages in eastern Bosnia well before the Srebrenica incident of international infamy. In these ambushes, he boasted how he and his men decapitated Serbs and killed them in other gruesome ways. I will try to look the article up to give you specifics. The fact is that thousands of Serb villagers from eastern Bosnia were killed in barbaric ways and Oric was the ringleader. When he was acquitted by the Hague Tribunal, it was obvious that the tribunal was a tool of the west that had pre-ordained who the good guys were and who the bad guys were in a 3-way civil war. Sad but true.

Billy Why, Texas

pre 10 godina

What mistakes are them?
(Ian, UK, 5 February 2014 15:47)

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczAqe_s8AQ

Aleks

pre 10 godina

Ian, you compiled a list of people charged with war crimes against Serbs to use in an argument that Serbs are getting justice (they're not). It was to put a negative spin against Serbs. The fact is most are not charged or as in the case of Gotovina, released outright. Politics is dirty.

You have never stated you hate Serbs, but you have 'stated' it. Nobody here is stupid, your psychological twist on words mean nothing to me and most others here. Many are perfectly capable of putting 2 and 2 together. Your posts speak for themselves. You have to be an idiot to think that Thaci is not a war criminal and Oric is innocent. You take every chance possible to minimize or dismiss any act against Serbs or charges brought on people against Serbs. You think it takes a genius to see this? Your posts are full it. Also, Oric was accused of crimes that took place in Yugoslavia which Serbia was apart of. You neglect that fact. Regardless, your posts are riddled against Serbs and you most certainly don't like us and have negative views. That's fine, but at least be a man and admit it. Trying to be 'smart' only makes you look worse.

Oh, and I don't save posts and whatever other things you do on here…for someone who just posts on his free time you seem to keep tabs on everything. Nobody has to see previous posts, just read current and future ones to see your one sided negativity.

NjegosUK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming youve never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldnt because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...

njegos

pre 10 godina

From Ian: "Oric is a war criminal? He was acquiited remember?"

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.

Milam

pre 10 godina

Serbia should have sent special forces to eliminate Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian scum a long time ago, like the Mossad did and does with the thugs they had and have to deal with.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

(Niko, 6 February 2014 13:51)

The government revoked these warrants two days after they were issued by courts, then the UK changed the law to stop courts from issuing these warrants as it wasn't deemed legit.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian please tell me what is your interest in Balkans and Serb bashing?! Im curious why some one from Oxenhope would have any interest in B92 and Serbia?! I mean im assuming you've never been to Serbia as you would know and first seen Serbs are nothing like what they west portrayed them at all... So im just curious whether the media or a university teacher or friends who are off a certain ethnicit dont like Serbs?! I mean i live not far and i can take you to see relative off mine whos families was butchered in Kosovo, Croatia and even Bosnia less then twenty years ago... And i ll happily dissmiss all the anti Serbian views you have i mean who are you to pass judgement?! I mean its like me telling you about Scotish history... But i wouldn't because i dont want to look like a clown and biget so there you go...
(NjegosUK, 9 February 2014 23:48)

I just find the Balkans interesting and B92 is good for news. How often is the Balkans in the British media? Once a blue moon. Serb bashing? I never done that. I've stated before that Serb civilians have been victims of the conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo. I don't have any anti-Serbian views. Just because I don't worship Serbs and Serbia doesn't mean that I'm Anti-Serbian. What I want to know is, what are these Anti-Serbian views that I apparently have?

You live in Halifax. I know there is a Serb community there which stems from refugees from WW2. There is even a Serbian Orthodox Church there, St John the Baptist I think.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, if you are going to make statements like this and claim you are objective and not anti-Serb, please be accurate and tell the full story. Oric was not acquiited, he was pardoned. He was convicted of killing 3,500 Serbs, mostly civillians, in the most barbaric ways. He was sentenced to 2 years (hardly appropriate for the killing of 3,500 prople), then was pardoned after serving 6 months by Bakir Izetbegovic, son of Alija Izetbegovic who lead the Bosnian Muslims.

Anyone reasonable person can see that his 2 year sentence, only to be pardoned after 6 months was only for appearance purposes to the international community. The Muslim gov't. regards this butcher as a hero, not the criminal that he is.

Do you research on Oric. He openly boasts about killing Serb civillians. Yet, according to you Ian, there is no proof of his crimes. No, you're not anti-Serb. You're a joke.
(njegos, 10 February 2014 15:09)

He was initially found guilty of failing to prevent men under his command killing and mistreating six Bosnian Serb prisoners. http://www.icty.org/sid/8727 http://www.icty.org/sid/8266

Later on the appeals chamber of the ICTY aquitted him of all charges. http://www.icty.org/sid/9939

Oric was never found guilty or even charged of the killing of 3,500 people.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, when I first saw this here scene, guess who the feller with the neat little cap reminded of?
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(Billy Why, Texas, 7 February 2014 21:43)

Your mother?