President warns about historical revisionism

Adrian this assassination was done in response to intelligence available at the time that Austro-Hungary was preparing to invade Serbia.They had already occupied Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia. Hence there was going to be a war anyway. The fact that other forces joined in because they despised that empire's regime as well is not the fault of, nor was it at the request of Serbia. Now you might be happy living under a jackboot but we Serbians like our freedom and have every right to defend it. Then and now.

Denying Serbia's role in the assissnation of Franz Ferdinand (which ultimately led to WWI) is like claiming the world is flat! The evidence that implicates Serbia's role (remember colonel Apis?) in this crime is abundant!

The Serbian president added that crimes like the Holocaust should be constantly brought up.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.

And the crimes committed by Serbs in 90 in former Yugo, were not seen anywhere in Europe since WW2.

The same guy that denies Srebrenica was genocide is warning about historical revisionism. Somebody pinch me.

Ferdinand got what he deserved.

He stated that Serbia to this day failed to compile a full list of those killed in the Second World War, but noted that more than 16 percent of the Serb population was killed in the areas of the former Yugoslavia.

Serbia, has also failed to compiled a complete list for Serbian war criminals, (which all of should be apprehend ASAP) for the barbaric crimes they committed in Kosova, Croatia & Bosnia, on behalf of Serbia's aggression & fascist state policy's? Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!

The evidence that implicates Serbia's role (remember colonel Apis?) in this crime is abundant!
(adrian kola, 27 January 2014 15:21)

You missed the point. The problem is not denying the assassination, but denying that the assassination was the cause of World War I. It was the spark to an already 500 kg barrel of dynamite set long before by Austria, and Germany.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.


I'm glad that he is expressing his thoughts about Serbia's war criminals from the Bosnian/Croatian war as well as Kosova! haha!

Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!
(Rocky, 27 January 2014 16:02)

That's rich coming from one of Europe's bottom-feeders. What have you succeeded on besides being parasites everywhere you migrate you?

Nikolić said that "some historians, backed by international media," are now trying to pin the blame for the start of the First World War on Serbia.

Not really. They are only pin that it might not be very smart that Serbia is going to erect a monument for the double-killer Gavrilo Princip.

The same guy that denies Srebrenica was genocide is warning about historical revisionism. Somebody pinch me.
(Avni, 27 January 2014 21:48)

I know you Albanians are a thick lot, but I’ll try it again. Right from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre “Srebrenica was not GENOCIDE”. I think they know more about genocide than pickpockets who steal watches from US Presidents.

Serbian propaganda about invented propaganda against Serbs.

Can anyone post even one link from a serious source that claims that Serbia started World War I?

Inciting Serbs to feel sorry for themselves is an effective tool for Serbian politicians.

I'm glad that he is expressing his thoughts about Serbia's war criminals from the Bosnian/Croatian war as well as Kosova! haha!
(Captain America, 27 January 2014 16:43)

As you can see literacy is a huge problem amongst Albanians. Try reading the article again or even better stick to reading the contents of pizza boxes they are more attuned to your capabilities.

"They invite us to stop dealing with history,..."

not really. no one has ever asked anyone to stop studying the past. but to use the past to justify crimes committed in the present is moronic. to also deny wrongdoing that has been proven to have occurred is evil. serbs sadly have built a lot of their myths on perceived injustices and have an unhealthy paranoia with looking at themselves as victims. this is self evident in that very popular movie by by Boris Malagurski the weight of chains (one of the worst documentaries ever made). this kind of attitude led Mladic to believe that he was avenging his deceased forefathers by murdering Bosnians. WW1 may have occurred without the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, but a Serbian extremist group backed by the Serbian state, made sure that we'll never know the answer to that one.

"It was the spark to an already 500 kg barrel of dynamite set long before by Austria, and Germany."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2014 16:34)

True, but I still don't think the person who set this dynamite on fire deserves a monument for being a 'hero'. That's revionism, Mr. President.

How do these people come up with this crap? what's next, Osama Bin Laden was actually a serb (Ognjen Lujic) from some selo near Beograd? This Serb bashing is getting more and more interesting, I wonder what will come next!

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.
(Mendo, 28 January 2014 01:44)

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting, I don't do it to show the world how evil Albanians are, but to expose a HUMAN evil so we can bring closure to the families, and to do what we need to do as responsible human beings to prevent it from happening again. We should expose all human evil and bring closure and let it rest in the past so we can all move forward and try to leave the past where it belongs. We would be a lot more physically and mentally healthy and happy Balkan people.
(balkan mutt, 28 January 2014 16:39)


All human evil must be exposed, but Srebrenica and alleged Albanian human organ harvesting are disanalogous.

In the case of Srebrenica, 8800+ men an boys slaughtered in a few days in July of 1995 is a judicial fact. They found the bones (some of them mixed up in different mass-graves as they tried to spread around the bodies after the fact) and, over the last 10 years have identified over 6000 of them with DNA evidence.

The investigation of alleged Albanian organ harvesting on the other hand, has yet to produce even ONE victim, has yet to even NAME one possible victim.

So, it's kind of disingenuous to put those things together.

@B92

Thank you for your reply. I thought it was specifically removed, but it may simply have been lost somehow during posting.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that the comments by people like Rocky et al about Serbia having to compile a list of war criminals to be brought to justice is laughable, given that they arrested and handed over Milosevic, Hadzic, Karadzic and Mladic, which shows that they have been very cooperative. Many Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian war criminals are still walking free, as there were many Nazi and Communist criminals, who were not brought to justice after WWII, which, in this case, makes it a dictionary definition of the pot calling the kettle black, especially given that many Albanian war criminals are now running Kosovo (if you can call it that - given what a failure the country is).

That is all I wanted to say. Thank you.

HOw about this for revision of history...Chetnicks collaborated with the Nazis.
It's common knowledge. Now, a chetnick wants to lecture how chetnicks fought fascism.

holocaust? How about the 100 million dead because of Communism? Why do we forget about Tito's massacres of Serbs, Croats, Hungarians and Italians? Why must we forget that EUrope betrayed Serbia?

(I hope this time B92 allows my comment)

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.

Gavrilo Princip was a freedom fighter and national hero whose statues should be erected throughout all Serbian lands, especially Bosnia. A massive one in the center of Sarajevo is long overdue.

@Peter Sudyka

We have not removed any of your comments.
Are you sure you posted to the story you intended?

Regards,

I Quote -

"They invite us to stop dealing with history, forget about it and turn to the future. We should not do that because without history there is no future, because without history we do not know who we are and we cannot build our future," said Nikolić.

Comment - "They" - are the Guilty Ones !.

Arn.Sweden.

(Nikolle, 28 January 2014 10:19)
Upon the west taking over Kosovo in 1999, the Albos kick out all non Albanians, but today they deny it? Now that is revisionism at its best and you have the hide to critise someone else.
The biggest myths are by Albos with their so called genocide – people that live in glass houses should avoid playing with stones.
Otto von Bismark said in 1860 thta Albanians are litel more than camp followers of teh Ottomans.

especially given that many Albanian war criminals are now running Kosovo (if you can call it that - given what a failure the country is).

That is all I wanted to say. Thank you.
(Peter Sudyka, 29 January 2014 13:14)

again, a small correction is necessary... the correct sentence is "many Albanian alleged* war criminals are now running Kosovo"

(*) allegation made by a certain Peter Sudyka

(balkan mutt, 29 January 2014 18:05)


I simply stated that it's disingenuous to lump together something that is proven and something that isn't.

Maybe try responding to my point instead of outpouring all kinds of kookiness and bizarre speculation as to my motives.

The investigation of alleged Albanian organ harvesting on the other hand, has yet to produce even ONE victim, has yet to even NAME one possible victim.
(Danilo, 28 January 2014 17:58)

That is what really concerns me.Serbia needs to recognize crimes committed in its name and apologize, instead of hiding behind imaginative scenarios. The fact that it doesn't, raises red flags for anyone in region, and of course it does not contribute to the normalization of relations with its neighbors.

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting etc... etc...
(balkan mutt, 28 January 2014 16:39)

Just a small correction... the correct sentence is "When I mention Albanian KLA alleged human organ harvesting etc... etc..."

Serbia, has also failed to compiled a complete list for Serbian war criminals, (which all of should be apprehend ASAP) for the barbaric crimes they committed in Kosova, Croatia & Bosnia, on behalf of Serbia's aggression & fascist state policy's? Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!

What are you talking about? Need I to remind you that Serbia extradited Karadzic, Mladic and Milosevic for example? I dont see you albanians, croats or muslims handing over your warcriminals, in fact you celebrate them, make them prime ministers and presidents like your very own mr snake for example. Who the hell are you to come to a serb site and tell us what to do? Dont throw stones in a glass house.

balkan mutt,

I appreciate your thoughts but suggest you not waste your time with Danilo aka Doot and Danilo_Vancouver.

Tired of his lack of civility and chronic negativity, the Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club, a welcoming and tolerant group, has blocked him from commenting on their site.

HOw about this for revision of history...Chetnicks collaborated with the Nazis.
(Once a chetnic always a chetnick, 27 January 2014 22:52)

Yep. That's some great revisionist history.

I assume "chetnic" and "chetnick" are the same?

(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2014 16:34)

I don't think anyone is denying the assassination & I don't think anyone is denying that it caused WW1 because it did, it caused Austria-Hungary (A-H) to declare war; however I must add that it caused a war which would have happened anyway, regardless of FF's assassination.

The political situation in Europe at the time was a boiling pot on the verge of boiling over, with the arms race, military alliances, British-German Naval Rivalry, territorial expansion/ colonialism, the hangover from the Franco-Prussian War & the Balkan Wars ect. All Princip did with the assassination was kick over the boiling pot just as it was on the verge of boiling over anyway. Austria-Hungary used FF's assassination as an excuse to kick start a war which was already going to happen.

Should Serbia be blamed for WW1? Of course not, it would have happened regardless of FF's assassination.

Grobar1 stated that "Ferdinand got what he deserved", that is probably true but then again, so did Princip because after all he did murder two people; he doesn't deserve a monument in his honour. Ironically, had Princip not assassinated FF, Serbia could have waited for WW1 to start & perhaps stayed out of it or joined later on when A-H would have been more militarily exhausted. Serbia could have sat back and watched Germany, A-H & the Ottoman Empire fight France, Britain & Russia.

On another note, Bulgaria was really stupid for entering WW1.

The Serbian president added that crimes like the Holocaust should be constantly brought up.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.

And the crimes committed by Serbs in 90 in former Yugo, were not seen anywhere in Europe since WW2.
(the truth, 27 January 2014 16:31)
# Comment link

Oh just shut the hell up, due to the sarajevo based research institute the total numbers of victims during the war was 97009 of which 25% were serb civilians, what about those crimes, who will be charged for them?

On June 21, 2007, the RDC published its research on Bosnia-Herzegovina's war casualties, titled The Bosnian Book of the Dead. This database includes 97,207 names of Bosnia and Herzegovina's citizens, killed and missing during the 1992–1995 war. An international team of experts evaluated the findings before they were released. More than 240,000 pieces of data have been collected, processed, checked, compared, and evaluated by international team of experts, in order to get the final number of victims, belonging to all nationalities.

Of the 97,207 documented casualties:[1]
Civilian status: 60% were soldiers (40% civilians)
Male: 90%
Ethnicity: 65% Bosniaks, 25% Bosnian Serbs, and just over 8% Croats

@ Danilo- I thought that I had posted this one along with the others.


"The Five Steps to Forgiveness...

1. Forgive yourself for any harm you may have caused to yourself and anyone else.

2. Forgive the other person for any harm he or she has caused you. (Forgive the person, not the deed!)

3. Give the other person permission to forgive you for any harm you may have caused. Maybe you did something you weren't aware you did. It is not recommended that the other person knows you are taking this step. You are doing this for you!

4. Learn the lesson… find some good from the experience that can benefit you. You can always learn something from every experience.
--You can now sympathize with others who have been through this
--You are now more conscious/understanding of the feelings of others
--You can now better protect your children from what you learned
Find the good, and then feel the good!

5. Wish the other person well. Give up the chance to get even.

Note: You must carry out these steps with feeling and emotion."



The quoted material is from these sources:
"
(1) ADAPTED from: Myss, Caroline (Ph.D.) The Science of Medical Intuition.
Boulder, CO. (Session 1, track 9-10).
--The Soul Purpose, Dr. MT Morter, Jr.
--The Six Essentials for Life, CD Series, Dr. MT Morter, Jr.

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.
(Mendo, 28 January 2014 01:44)

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting, I don't do it to show the world how evil Albanians are, but to expose a HUMAN evil so we can bring closure to the families, and to do what we need to do as responsible human beings to prevent it from happening again. We should expose all human evil and bring closure and let it rest in the past so we can all move forward and try to leave the past where it belongs. We would be a lot more physically and mentally healthy and happy Balkan people.

Maybe try responding to my point instead of outpouring all kinds of kookiness and bizarre speculation as to my motives.
(Danilo, 30 January 2014 11:51

Sir, what you are doing is taking two incidents of evil and comparing them, and I was not.
The bottom line is, both as individuals and as "nations", we commit acts of evil. And that's the only important
fact worth remembering. Proving who did what, when, where, how much, how little, is a job for the world's justice, historians and history buffs.

"Forgiveness is NOT something we do for other people.
We do it for ourselves to get WELL-and MOVE ON."

Sir, what you are doing is taking two incidents of evil and comparing them, and I was not.

(balkan mutt, 30 January 2014 18:47)


I wasn't comparing the "incidents" (I wouldn't call either of them "incidents", btw. "Incident" seems like a bit of an understatement when talking about the slaughter of 8800. The organ harvesting claims are just talk at this point, so not yet an 'incident').

I was commenting on someone else comparing them, you might note, not comparing them myself.

I do forgive your lack of reading comprehension.

I fail to understand why B92 deleted my post. There was absolutely nothing offensive in it. Why does a concise, objective and argumentative post with a certain standard no get through, but barely double digit outbursts of stupidy by people like Arn Sweden and Rocky do?

So, it's kind of disingenuous to put those things together.
(Danilo, 28 January 2014 17:58)

It appears to me that you are always looking for bad in things and people, and so quick to judge and to condemn others. You give yourself the right to condemn and damn a whole nation of people (Serbs) on the internet that you don't even know because of your own personal butt-hurt experiences with a few in comparison.
All HUMAN evil means all human evil: German massacre of the students in Kragujevac, Croatian concentration camps, Bosniack atrocities, Armenian genocide... My comment suggests that to focus on the evils of others is ultimately a farce. To continue to play the blame game is to mindlessly go around in circles. The only meaningful
contemplation is when the focus is on ME, and MY evil. Forget Hitler, that's over. So is organ harvesting and Srebrenica. For one day, observe yourself, moment to moment. Observe your selfishness and ingratitude, observe
how you use and blame others and fail to take the responsibility for yourself. Observe your dishonesty, and the games that you play to support the little world that centers around YOU, and what YOU want, and what YOU think, and what YOU like, and what YOU need, and what YOU believe. And the extent and depth and breadth of the subtle and cunning EVIL that you would promote by your participation in it. And THAT is only the beginning.

You got one life. Are you going to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

@ Danilo

Forgiveness is important-

"The first step to changing harmful emotional patterns is the concept of forgiveness.
Forgiveness doesn't mean that you have to approve of what happened to you. You can forgive the person or situation without forgiving the deed.
You forgive for your own wellbeing because the physiology created by not forgiving is hurting you.
Forgiveness is one of your most important CHOICES for improving your health!
Forgiveness means "I instantly learn the lesson!"

Forgiveness finishes unfinished business...
"Forgiveness is the ART of retrieving your spirit and returning it into present time. Forgiveness is the ultimate and most powerful act of personal spiritual alchemy (transforming or enchanting power). It completely transforms your cell memory and helps you to rewrite the code that is managing your biology so that the future cell tissue that spins off from that cell no longer has the toxic memory inside it; it no longer has the code producing the illness."'

@(balkan mutt, 30 January 2014 00:14)

Makes sense. Sounds legit. Well said

Denying Serbia's role in the assissnation of Franz Ferdinand (which ultimately led to WWI) is like claiming the world is flat! The evidence that implicates Serbia's role (remember colonel Apis?) in this crime is abundant!

He stated that Serbia to this day failed to compile a full list of those killed in the Second World War, but noted that more than 16 percent of the Serb population was killed in the areas of the former Yugoslavia.

Serbia, has also failed to compiled a complete list for Serbian war criminals, (which all of should be apprehend ASAP) for the barbaric crimes they committed in Kosova, Croatia & Bosnia, on behalf of Serbia's aggression & fascist state policy's? Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!

Ferdinand got what he deserved.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.


I'm glad that he is expressing his thoughts about Serbia's war criminals from the Bosnian/Croatian war as well as Kosova! haha!

Adrian this assassination was done in response to intelligence available at the time that Austro-Hungary was preparing to invade Serbia.They had already occupied Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia. Hence there was going to be a war anyway. The fact that other forces joined in because they despised that empire's regime as well is not the fault of, nor was it at the request of Serbia. Now you might be happy living under a jackboot but we Serbians like our freedom and have every right to defend it. Then and now.

The Serbian president added that crimes like the Holocaust should be constantly brought up.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.

And the crimes committed by Serbs in 90 in former Yugo, were not seen anywhere in Europe since WW2.

The same guy that denies Srebrenica was genocide is warning about historical revisionism. Somebody pinch me.

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.

Nikolić said that "some historians, backed by international media," are now trying to pin the blame for the start of the First World War on Serbia.

Not really. They are only pin that it might not be very smart that Serbia is going to erect a monument for the double-killer Gavrilo Princip.

The evidence that implicates Serbia's role (remember colonel Apis?) in this crime is abundant!
(adrian kola, 27 January 2014 15:21)

You missed the point. The problem is not denying the assassination, but denying that the assassination was the cause of World War I. It was the spark to an already 500 kg barrel of dynamite set long before by Austria, and Germany.

Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!
(Rocky, 27 January 2014 16:02)

That's rich coming from one of Europe's bottom-feeders. What have you succeeded on besides being parasites everywhere you migrate you?

Serbian propaganda about invented propaganda against Serbs.

Can anyone post even one link from a serious source that claims that Serbia started World War I?

Inciting Serbs to feel sorry for themselves is an effective tool for Serbian politicians.

The same guy that denies Srebrenica was genocide is warning about historical revisionism. Somebody pinch me.
(Avni, 27 January 2014 21:48)

I know you Albanians are a thick lot, but I’ll try it again. Right from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre “Srebrenica was not GENOCIDE”. I think they know more about genocide than pickpockets who steal watches from US Presidents.

(Nikolle, 28 January 2014 10:19)
Upon the west taking over Kosovo in 1999, the Albos kick out all non Albanians, but today they deny it? Now that is revisionism at its best and you have the hide to critise someone else.
The biggest myths are by Albos with their so called genocide – people that live in glass houses should avoid playing with stones.
Otto von Bismark said in 1860 thta Albanians are litel more than camp followers of teh Ottomans.

Gavrilo Princip was a freedom fighter and national hero whose statues should be erected throughout all Serbian lands, especially Bosnia. A massive one in the center of Sarajevo is long overdue.

"It was the spark to an already 500 kg barrel of dynamite set long before by Austria, and Germany."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2014 16:34)

True, but I still don't think the person who set this dynamite on fire deserves a monument for being a 'hero'. That's revionism, Mr. President.

I'm glad that he is expressing his thoughts about Serbia's war criminals from the Bosnian/Croatian war as well as Kosova! haha!
(Captain America, 27 January 2014 16:43)

As you can see literacy is a huge problem amongst Albanians. Try reading the article again or even better stick to reading the contents of pizza boxes they are more attuned to your capabilities.

HOw about this for revision of history...Chetnicks collaborated with the Nazis.
It's common knowledge. Now, a chetnick wants to lecture how chetnicks fought fascism.

"They invite us to stop dealing with history,..."

not really. no one has ever asked anyone to stop studying the past. but to use the past to justify crimes committed in the present is moronic. to also deny wrongdoing that has been proven to have occurred is evil. serbs sadly have built a lot of their myths on perceived injustices and have an unhealthy paranoia with looking at themselves as victims. this is self evident in that very popular movie by by Boris Malagurski the weight of chains (one of the worst documentaries ever made). this kind of attitude led Mladic to believe that he was avenging his deceased forefathers by murdering Bosnians. WW1 may have occurred without the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, but a Serbian extremist group backed by the Serbian state, made sure that we'll never know the answer to that one.

Serbia, has also failed to compiled a complete list for Serbian war criminals, (which all of should be apprehend ASAP) for the barbaric crimes they committed in Kosova, Croatia & Bosnia, on behalf of Serbia's aggression & fascist state policy's? Sounds like, Serbia is a failure in everything she attempts!!!

What are you talking about? Need I to remind you that Serbia extradited Karadzic, Mladic and Milosevic for example? I dont see you albanians, croats or muslims handing over your warcriminals, in fact you celebrate them, make them prime ministers and presidents like your very own mr snake for example. Who the hell are you to come to a serb site and tell us what to do? Dont throw stones in a glass house.

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.
(Mendo, 28 January 2014 01:44)

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting, I don't do it to show the world how evil Albanians are, but to expose a HUMAN evil so we can bring closure to the families, and to do what we need to do as responsible human beings to prevent it from happening again. We should expose all human evil and bring closure and let it rest in the past so we can all move forward and try to leave the past where it belongs. We would be a lot more physically and mentally healthy and happy Balkan people.
(balkan mutt, 28 January 2014 16:39)


All human evil must be exposed, but Srebrenica and alleged Albanian human organ harvesting are disanalogous.

In the case of Srebrenica, 8800+ men an boys slaughtered in a few days in July of 1995 is a judicial fact. They found the bones (some of them mixed up in different mass-graves as they tried to spread around the bodies after the fact) and, over the last 10 years have identified over 6000 of them with DNA evidence.

The investigation of alleged Albanian organ harvesting on the other hand, has yet to produce even ONE victim, has yet to even NAME one possible victim.

So, it's kind of disingenuous to put those things together.

@B92

Thank you for your reply. I thought it was specifically removed, but it may simply have been lost somehow during posting.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that the comments by people like Rocky et al about Serbia having to compile a list of war criminals to be brought to justice is laughable, given that they arrested and handed over Milosevic, Hadzic, Karadzic and Mladic, which shows that they have been very cooperative. Many Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian war criminals are still walking free, as there were many Nazi and Communist criminals, who were not brought to justice after WWII, which, in this case, makes it a dictionary definition of the pot calling the kettle black, especially given that many Albanian war criminals are now running Kosovo (if you can call it that - given what a failure the country is).

That is all I wanted to say. Thank you.

holocaust? How about the 100 million dead because of Communism? Why do we forget about Tito's massacres of Serbs, Croats, Hungarians and Italians? Why must we forget that EUrope betrayed Serbia?

(I hope this time B92 allows my comment)

How do these people come up with this crap? what's next, Osama Bin Laden was actually a serb (Ognjen Lujic) from some selo near Beograd? This Serb bashing is getting more and more interesting, I wonder what will come next!

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting etc... etc...
(balkan mutt, 28 January 2014 16:39)

Just a small correction... the correct sentence is "When I mention Albanian KLA alleged human organ harvesting etc... etc..."

I fail to understand why B92 deleted my post. There was absolutely nothing offensive in it. Why does a concise, objective and argumentative post with a certain standard no get through, but barely double digit outbursts of stupidy by people like Arn Sweden and Rocky do?

(balkan mutt, 29 January 2014 18:05)


I simply stated that it's disingenuous to lump together something that is proven and something that isn't.

Maybe try responding to my point instead of outpouring all kinds of kookiness and bizarre speculation as to my motives.

HOw about this for revision of history...Chetnicks collaborated with the Nazis.
(Once a chetnic always a chetnick, 27 January 2014 22:52)

Yep. That's some great revisionist history.

I assume "chetnic" and "chetnick" are the same?

And crimes like Sebrenica should always brought up, so nobody forgets how evil most Serbs are.
(Mendo, 28 January 2014 01:44)

When I mention Albanian KLA human organ harvesting, I don't do it to show the world how evil Albanians are, but to expose a HUMAN evil so we can bring closure to the families, and to do what we need to do as responsible human beings to prevent it from happening again. We should expose all human evil and bring closure and let it rest in the past so we can all move forward and try to leave the past where it belongs. We would be a lot more physically and mentally healthy and happy Balkan people.

The Serbian president added that crimes like the Holocaust should be constantly brought up.

"The fact that most of the culprits were found and convicted does not mean that what was, in its character and scope, one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of civilization should not continue to be considered," Nikolić said.

And the crimes committed by Serbs in 90 in former Yugo, were not seen anywhere in Europe since WW2.
(the truth, 27 January 2014 16:31)
# Comment link

Oh just shut the hell up, due to the sarajevo based research institute the total numbers of victims during the war was 97009 of which 25% were serb civilians, what about those crimes, who will be charged for them?

On June 21, 2007, the RDC published its research on Bosnia-Herzegovina's war casualties, titled The Bosnian Book of the Dead. This database includes 97,207 names of Bosnia and Herzegovina's citizens, killed and missing during the 1992–1995 war. An international team of experts evaluated the findings before they were released. More than 240,000 pieces of data have been collected, processed, checked, compared, and evaluated by international team of experts, in order to get the final number of victims, belonging to all nationalities.

Of the 97,207 documented casualties:[1]
Civilian status: 60% were soldiers (40% civilians)
Male: 90%
Ethnicity: 65% Bosniaks, 25% Bosnian Serbs, and just over 8% Croats

balkan mutt,

I appreciate your thoughts but suggest you not waste your time with Danilo aka Doot and Danilo_Vancouver.

Tired of his lack of civility and chronic negativity, the Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club, a welcoming and tolerant group, has blocked him from commenting on their site.

I Quote -

"They invite us to stop dealing with history, forget about it and turn to the future. We should not do that because without history there is no future, because without history we do not know who we are and we cannot build our future," said Nikolić.

Comment - "They" - are the Guilty Ones !.

Arn.Sweden.

The investigation of alleged Albanian organ harvesting on the other hand, has yet to produce even ONE victim, has yet to even NAME one possible victim.
(Danilo, 28 January 2014 17:58)

That is what really concerns me.Serbia needs to recognize crimes committed in its name and apologize, instead of hiding behind imaginative scenarios. The fact that it doesn't, raises red flags for anyone in region, and of course it does not contribute to the normalization of relations with its neighbors.

Sir, what you are doing is taking two incidents of evil and comparing them, and I was not.

(balkan mutt, 30 January 2014 18:47)


I wasn't comparing the "incidents" (I wouldn't call either of them "incidents", btw. "Incident" seems like a bit of an understatement when talking about the slaughter of 8800. The organ harvesting claims are just talk at this point, so not yet an 'incident').

I was commenting on someone else comparing them, you might note, not comparing them myself.

I do forgive your lack of reading comprehension.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2014 16:34)

I don't think anyone is denying the assassination & I don't think anyone is denying that it caused WW1 because it did, it caused Austria-Hungary (A-H) to declare war; however I must add that it caused a war which would have happened anyway, regardless of FF's assassination.

The political situation in Europe at the time was a boiling pot on the verge of boiling over, with the arms race, military alliances, British-German Naval Rivalry, territorial expansion/ colonialism, the hangover from the Franco-Prussian War & the Balkan Wars ect. All Princip did with the assassination was kick over the boiling pot just as it was on the verge of boiling over anyway. Austria-Hungary used FF's assassination as an excuse to kick start a war which was already going to happen.

Should Serbia be blamed for WW1? Of course not, it would have happened regardless of FF's assassination.

Grobar1 stated that "Ferdinand got what he deserved", that is probably true but then again, so did Princip because after all he did murder two people; he doesn't deserve a monument in his honour. Ironically, had Princip not assassinated FF, Serbia could have waited for WW1 to start & perhaps stayed out of it or joined later on when A-H would have been more militarily exhausted. Serbia could have sat back and watched Germany, A-H & the Ottoman Empire fight France, Britain & Russia.

On another note, Bulgaria was really stupid for entering WW1.

So, it's kind of disingenuous to put those things together.
(Danilo, 28 January 2014 17:58)

It appears to me that you are always looking for bad in things and people, and so quick to judge and to condemn others. You give yourself the right to condemn and damn a whole nation of people (Serbs) on the internet that you don't even know because of your own personal butt-hurt experiences with a few in comparison.
All HUMAN evil means all human evil: German massacre of the students in Kragujevac, Croatian concentration camps, Bosniack atrocities, Armenian genocide... My comment suggests that to focus on the evils of others is ultimately a farce. To continue to play the blame game is to mindlessly go around in circles. The only meaningful
contemplation is when the focus is on ME, and MY evil. Forget Hitler, that's over. So is organ harvesting and Srebrenica. For one day, observe yourself, moment to moment. Observe your selfishness and ingratitude, observe
how you use and blame others and fail to take the responsibility for yourself. Observe your dishonesty, and the games that you play to support the little world that centers around YOU, and what YOU want, and what YOU think, and what YOU like, and what YOU need, and what YOU believe. And the extent and depth and breadth of the subtle and cunning EVIL that you would promote by your participation in it. And THAT is only the beginning.

You got one life. Are you going to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

@ Danilo

Forgiveness is important-

"The first step to changing harmful emotional patterns is the concept of forgiveness.
Forgiveness doesn't mean that you have to approve of what happened to you. You can forgive the person or situation without forgiving the deed.
You forgive for your own wellbeing because the physiology created by not forgiving is hurting you.
Forgiveness is one of your most important CHOICES for improving your health!
Forgiveness means "I instantly learn the lesson!"

Forgiveness finishes unfinished business...
"Forgiveness is the ART of retrieving your spirit and returning it into present time. Forgiveness is the ultimate and most powerful act of personal spiritual alchemy (transforming or enchanting power). It completely transforms your cell memory and helps you to rewrite the code that is managing your biology so that the future cell tissue that spins off from that cell no longer has the toxic memory inside it; it no longer has the code producing the illness."'

Maybe try responding to my point instead of outpouring all kinds of kookiness and bizarre speculation as to my motives.
(Danilo, 30 January 2014 11:51

Sir, what you are doing is taking two incidents of evil and comparing them, and I was not.
The bottom line is, both as individuals and as "nations", we commit acts of evil. And that's the only important
fact worth remembering. Proving who did what, when, where, how much, how little, is a job for the world's justice, historians and history buffs.

"Forgiveness is NOT something we do for other people.
We do it for ourselves to get WELL-and MOVE ON."

@Peter Sudyka

We have not removed any of your comments.
Are you sure you posted to the story you intended?

Regards,

especially given that many Albanian war criminals are now running Kosovo (if you can call it that - given what a failure the country is).

That is all I wanted to say. Thank you.
(Peter Sudyka, 29 January 2014 13:14)

again, a small correction is necessary... the correct sentence is "many Albanian alleged* war criminals are now running Kosovo"

(*) allegation made by a certain Peter Sudyka

@ Danilo- I thought that I had posted this one along with the others.


"The Five Steps to Forgiveness...

1. Forgive yourself for any harm you may have caused to yourself and anyone else.

2. Forgive the other person for any harm he or she has caused you. (Forgive the person, not the deed!)

3. Give the other person permission to forgive you for any harm you may have caused. Maybe you did something you weren't aware you did. It is not recommended that the other person knows you are taking this step. You are doing this for you!

4. Learn the lesson… find some good from the experience that can benefit you. You can always learn something from every experience.
--You can now sympathize with others who have been through this
--You are now more conscious/understanding of the feelings of others
--You can now better protect your children from what you learned
Find the good, and then feel the good!

5. Wish the other person well. Give up the chance to get even.

Note: You must carry out these steps with feeling and emotion."



The quoted material is from these sources:
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(1) ADAPTED from: Myss, Caroline (Ph.D.) The Science of Medical Intuition.
Boulder, CO. (Session 1, track 9-10).
--The Soul Purpose, Dr. MT Morter, Jr.
--The Six Essentials for Life, CD Series, Dr. MT Morter, Jr.

@(balkan mutt, 30 January 2014 00:14)

Makes sense. Sounds legit. Well said