Nikolić: Serbia deserves to be part of EU

"Serbia deserves to be accepted as part of the EU because of its history and sacrifices".

What a lot of rubbish.The people of Serbia deserve better and have the right to run their own country in accordance with their wishes, rather than it being run to suit the ideology of a bunch of unelected and unaccountable foreign bureaucrats.

Come May 2014 and phoenix is going to rise from the ashes.The likes of Barosso will run for cover.

Why? What is supposed to happen in May 2014?
(Mark, 21 January 2014 20:06)

If the present polls in France,Italy,UK,Holland for the European elections in May 2014 are right then those who bear the fundamental responsibility for setting up an anti democratic organisation that has deliberately lied to hundreds of millions about its plan to destroy nations and create a superstate and continue with its austerity policies today will be crushed.The EU is a state built on dishonesty and, in effect, arrogant lies. It has a problem with reality because it does not like listening. A whole political class has done its best to destroy our rights and turn back the political clock by 200 years to an ignorant and radically undemocratic time.A state built on lies is a state that will be destroyed by the truth. It is only a matter of time and how much we will be forced to pay for all this.

what a stupid comment. what rights do you have missing as an EU citizen? the right to write stupid comments? you exercise that right every time
(Nikolle, 22 January 2014 12:41)

Whether my comment is stupid or not I will let other posters to judge and not ignorant Albanian posters like yourself who dare to comment just for the sake of it.I am talking about the rights of EU citizens who did or didn't vote about removing the trading barriers with "old Europe" by joining the Common Market and it seemed the sensible thing to do.EU voters did NOT vote for the EU and all the imposed political and legislative integration and the loss of sovereignty we are all suffering from now(let alone the mass third world immigration).

If the European Union is to survive it should stay as a free trading area, all EU countries should become sovereign states again - no more political correctness, no more mass immigration, no more useless laws.

(Nikolle, 22 January 2014 17:22)

You normally retort to verbal abuses on other posters because of your inability to take a position on the subject matter.The accession Treaty of Rome doesn't stipulate anywhere the EU's right to enact and pass common legislation or introduce common currency.Subsequent EU treaties were passed through the back door without the consent of the people,With regard to Greece you seem to confuse apples with oranges.The Greek parliament has the consent of its electorate the EU commission hasn't.As far as individual EU legislation is concerned just ask the Brits how many times Abu Qatada used Article 6 of the European Convention of human rights to override decisions by British Courts.Third world immigration into EU is a policy decision by the EU with two fold aims.Firstly,is to dilute the European population and secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers.
Let me leave you with a prediction.Just as we witnessed the bloody break-up of Yugoslavia and the old USSR, so the EU will be destroyed by countries demanding their ethnic freedom from corrupt centralism. Maybe not in 5 years, but certainly the longer it exists the more bloody the catastrophic end.

Nikolle

You're still sphewing the same Albanian fairytales and wishful thinking as you did as long as i can remember.Time and events have passed you by without altering your internal outlook of what has become of the EU that has taken ever greater liberties with Europe's taxpayers and legislators: regulating, subsidising and corrupting all it touched." EU common legislation has been detrimental to EU members because it supersedes decisions taken by high courts of member states.I gave you an example of Abu Qatada who was convicted of several terrorist activities by UK courts who were unable to extradite him as a result of human rights legislation.I have write many times about corrupt Greek politicians and their actions which led the country being nothing more than a satrap province of Brussels. I am still saying that Greece always has the option of kissing the eurozone a less than fond goodbye. With regard to immigration in EU you must’ve read about Bulgarian and Romanian workers picking flowers in Holland or vegetables in Germany and UK and earning less than 3 euros/hour. As far as illegal immigrants are concerned its only ruthless employers that decide what’s their pay and not covered by any legislation.
Regarding my conspiracy,it's not a coincidence the EU is trying to write its own constitution and cancelling their members ones.The latest polls show 64% of Brits and 59& of French and 49% of Dutch want out of the EU.I am still a conspiracy theorist?I don't think so.

serbia deserves to be part of the EU because of its history? what the hell does that mean? how does its history make it a worthy European member? may as well say serbia deserves to be in EU because it has a the colour red on its flag

Translation: "Serbia deserves to become yet another captive nation of the EU-US-NATO empire"
Under no circumstances should we voluntarily submit to foreign control of our economy, culture, resources or manpower. The drive to surrender to the EU is a response to a lack of ideas, self-confidence and faith in the Serbian people on the part of the incompetent regime in Belgrade. If you can't think of anything better, resign and go back to digging graves for people who are already dead. We've had enough fools trying to dig a grave for the vibrant, freedom-loving Serbian nation!

"This is funny, how low can Nikolic get? After Dacic did all the (hard) work, after he was publicly criticized by Nikolic, after Nikolic announced the desire to remove Dacic as a PM following early elections, now Nikolic puts out a tv spot bragging about something that is 99% Dacic's merit. Incredible!
(Reader, 21 January 2014 19:36)"
Do you really think that Dacic did it all? How come? He`s been the minister since 2008 and he couldn`t do anything before Vucic&Nikolic came!

Nikole
I didn’t expect posters with limited knowledge to grasp my thoughts but let me have another attempt. EU’s decision to dilute the indigenous populations is a two pronged approach.Firstly,in order to compete with the likes of China,India and others the EU capitalists required cheap labour Therefore,the EU’s decision to relax the rules on visa and asylum to workers from third world countries was used as opportunity by capital to strengthen its position vis-à-vis labour. It was used “as opportunity to finish the neoliberal modernizing project in terms of reducing wages, pensions and dismantling labour protection.Secondly,ethnic dilution was used as a tool towards the ultimate future goal which is one world Government.
Greece has suffered a mayhem as a result of EU immigration policies.The oversupply of labour in a de-industrialising Greece led to a lowering of wages and the displacement of Greeks from the labour market.Greece has large numbers of illegal immigrants who work in a cash economy and send euros abroad. Figures from the Bank of Greece show that billions of untaxed Euros went to Albania, Pakistan and Afghanistan.The social costs? Ghettos springing everywhere.
Do I regard myself as a Marxist?I wouldn't say so but I do feel for people dying in Iraq or Syria the likes of you totally ignore.With regard to Alexander the Great read Robin Lane Fox's book " Alexander" ( I know you're not fond of books)and he concludes his initial plan was to punish the Persians.

I fully agree with President Tomislav Nikolic. He is a good president and Serbia is a good country.

"A whole political class has done its best to destroy our rights and turn back the political clock by 200 years to an ignorant and radically undemocratic time"

what a stupid comment. what rights do you have missing as an EU citizen? the right to write stupid comments? you exercise that right every time

"...I will let other posters to judge.."

this is why I say you write weird stuff. am i to deduce from the above that you won't let me judge? well, what can you do to stop me? another stupid comment, to go with a hundred of them.

what, you mean the EU doesn't have a referendum every time it decides on a law? does Greece hold a referendum every time it passes a law? of course it doesn't as it would be stupid to do so.

"... legislative integration.."...in what way has this been a bad thing for EU member states? name me one piece of legislation that the EU has passed that is wrong? seriously what odd thing are you going to say next.

"...no more mass immigration"

You can't stop EU citizens migrating from one EU member state to another, its part and parcel of being part of the club. its not the fault of the EU that people from Africa or Asia choose to come and migrate to Europe.

"...no more useless laws."

like which one?

Nikolle

The EU's actions speak louder than words. Does the ECB tell you they manipulate the stock markets or interest rates? Treaties were introduced by stealth and not by democracy.On few rare occasions when countries decided to hold referenda they were either pressed not to (France and Holland)or force members( Ireland) to hold the same referendum twice.When prime ministers of member countries ( Italy and Greece)decided to hold referenda for the austerity measures both were replaced immediately(some democracy here).If you don't believe in world government " conspiracy" theories ask yourself why is it the EU signing stabilization agreements with Azerbaijan or Armenia?Are they part of Europe?

Your comments just confirm what I've always suspected those of right-wing Albanian nationalists who vote for Thaci,worship ,glorify war criminals Bush and Blair and claim ancestry from the Illyrian Queen Teuta.

Do I see a flow in your definition of imperialism? I do as imperialism is a natural feature of a developed capitalist nation as it matures to monopoly capitalism.I had no idea the ancient Greeks had a developed capitalist state 2300+years ago.

With regard to Nick Griffin(your views are more to the right than his) a recent poll in UK found 62% of Brits are against any further immigration and demanded immediate referendum on the EU.Are they Griffin's supporters or conspiracy theorists?

*facepalm*

like "history and sacrifice" are the deciding criteria of EU integration.

double-facepalm this coming out of the mouth of the president.

I didn’t expect posters with limited knowledge to grasp my thoughts but let me have another attempt.

Firstly,in order to compete with the likes of China,India and others the EU capitalists required cheap labour Therefore,the EU’s decision to relax the rules on visa and asylum to workers from third world countries was used as opportunity by capital to strengthen its position vis-à-vis labour.
(Leonidas, 24 January 2014 15:50)

That makes no sense whatsoever... If, say, a German company needs cheap labor, they will pay much less if they open a factory in China than having the factory in Germany and bringing Chinese workers to work in Germany.

That's probably the reason with posters can't really grasp your thoughts :)

"You normally retort to verbal abuses.."

you're confusing verbal abuse with judgement on comments. saying you writer stupid things is not verbal abuse.

"The accession Treaty of Rome doesn't stipulate anywhere the EU's right to enact and pass common legislation or introduce common currency."

and yet, you have failed to tell me how common legislation has been detrimental to EU member states. which piece of legislation has been bad for say Latvia?
re common currency: not one person forced say Greece to adopt the Euro. the Greek gov. (to now quote you) decided to join the single currency with the consent of its people. you can also vote to elect your MEP. as for human rights, one of the best bills enacted, this doesn't mean to say it can't be refined, but the guarantee of rights can never be a bad thing.

".Third world immigration into EU is a policy decision by the EU with two fold aims.Firstly,is to dilute the European population"

as for the this piece of nonsense, well, i shouldn't really bother but i can't help it. tell me, why did the EU decide to dilute European population? what is in it for them? what nonsense of a conspiracy theory are you going to construct?

"...secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers. "!

considering that most EU states have a minimum wage rate, i'd say your point is complete garbage.

"...a conspiracy theorist?I don't think so."
not only are you a conspiracy theorist, but you're a really bad one at that. i.e: you have yet to explain to me, why is it that the EU has decided to dilute Europe's population. where in the EU charter/law is this set. you can't do it because such a thing doesn't exist, so you'll have to revert to conspiracies, conspiracies which take a tenth of a brain cell to debunk.
"I have write many times about corrupt Greek politicians...", greek politicians which were elected by the Greek people and hence, had their consent on the Euro. you could have done a Denmark, you didn't. not the fault of the EU.
"...human rights legislation" explain to me, how a human rights legislation is a bad thing?
"With regard to immigration"
no one here is saying that abuses do not occur in EU states. we are living in an imperfect world after all, but a basic minimum rate is guaranteed by law, which means those being taken advantage of, can report the abusers to the authorities.
i actually enjoy exchanging views with you, if only to see which Leonidas is going to surface, the alleged socialist/Marxist ("...secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers..."). the sardonic anti-imperialist who cheers for Russia and makes excuses for Alexander the Great's invasions. the Greek nationalist when 'Northern Epirus' is mentioned. or the racist who uses words like indigenous Europeans. believe me, you have much in common with Nick Griffin

"EU’s decision..." this is why I say to you that you're a conspiracy theorist. where in EU lawdoes it stipulate that the indigenous population of the EU must be diluted? of course, i do not expect you to tell me, because it doesn't exist anywhere. "Secondly,ethnic dilution was used as a tool towards the ultimate future goal which is one world Government." this one is actually funny. where on earth did you read that the goal of the EU is a single world gov?
"Do I regard myself as a Marxist?I wouldn't say so but I do feel for people dying in Iraq or Syria the likes of you totally ignore." you feel so much for the dying in Syria that you suggest we shouldn't do anything. did you take the same approach to Rwanda too?
"With regard to Alexander the Great read Robin Lane Fox's book " Alexander" and he concludes his initial plan was to punish the Persians." "( I know you're not fond of books)" I've had wittier insults levelled at me than this.
do you not see a flaw here? alexander did not stick to his initial plan did he? he went beyond the Persians, which means extending his territory, which means imperialism, which for whatever reason, you make excuses for. this is why i call you an ironic anti-imperialsit.

The video ends with the message: "Together until full EU membership - Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić."

This is funny, how low can Nikolic get? After Dacic did all the (hard) work, after he was publicly criticized by Nikolic, after Nikolic announced the desire to remove Dacic as a PM following early elections, now Nikolic puts out a tv spot bragging about something that is 99% Dacic's merit. Incredible!

Come May 2014 and phoenix is going to rise from the ashes.The likes of Barosso will run for cover.
(Leonidas, 21 January 2014 15:44)

Why? What is supposed to happen in May 2014?

"...as imperialism is a natural feature of a developed capitalist nation as it matures to monopoly capitalism."

oh dear me, so the Ottomans were not imperialist? the Soviet Union was not imperialist either, considering it was a communist bloc.

as for the rest of your nonsense, will deal with it later

" Treaties were introduced by stealth and not by democracy."

I'm actually trying to figure out if you're being serious here or if you're being moronic on purpose. Its stupid to believe that e referendum should be held on every aspect/treaty of the EU. only the biggest of all dimwits (no surprises here) would think otherwise.

"If you don't believe in world government " conspiracy" theories ask yourself why is it the EU signing stabilization agreements with Azerbaijan or Armenia?"

if you think this proves that the EU is part of some kind of plot to bring about a world gov. (for what its worth, why is that even a bad thing?) then you really need to do better.

"Your comments just confirm what I've always suspected those of right-wing Albanian nationalists who vote for Thaci,worship ,glorify war criminals Bush and Blair and claim ancestry from the Illyrian Queen Teuta. "

this is the first time that i have been called a nationalist. for the record, i have not once given Thaci my vote, but that is another thing.

"With regard to Nick Griffin..." Nick Griffin, like you, uses phrases like indigenous Europeans. Nick Griffin, like you, is convinced that the EU is a fascist bloc. Nick Griffin, like you, believes that the EU is trying to dilute Europe's population, specifically the white population (no shred of evidence ever given because there isn't any).

" You’ve got to see Alexander from the point of view of the ancient era and not the modern one.If you don't know WTF I'm talking about you can open some decent history books and may I suggest Plutarch’s Life of Alexander where he presents an Alexander worthy of being the founder of a globalization but only in respect of trying to create a human global identity but not one that it is driven by modern market forces and multinational corporations."

I have already replied to this one,. but for whatever reason. my comment wasn't published. will try again.

You've got to look at the Ottoman Empire from the point of view of the Middle Ages and not the modern. using your infantile logic, that empires are only products of capitalist nations (now the Marxist in you is taking over) the Ottomans were not imperialists. neither was Genghis Kahn. Neither oddly enough seem to have been Persians.

"Still you've haven't answered whether the French,British,Dutch(since they'are against immigration)are conspiracy theorists."

that depends. if they're anti-immigration because they believe there is an EU plot to dilute Europe's population, then yes, they're conspiracy theorists. if they're anti-immigration because there undoubtedly is a social cost to immigration, and they fret about that, then no they would not be. immigration however, is a sensitive subject; human beings migrate, it has always happened, it will always happen. the best you can do about it, is to try and control it, but one will never be able to stop it, because first and foremost, all people look to improve their living conditions, so in pure humanistic terms, given the horrid conditions that most people in Africa find themselves in, I don't blame them for trying to come to Europe. I'd be trying to get out of there too. however, there is not, no has there ever been an EU plan to dilute the peoples of Europe. that's moronic

"...assume also the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan..." if you thought that by this you're going to get me in a spot of bother, then i really feel for you. yes, what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq is imperialism, but unlike you, I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist for the simple reason that empires have always existed and they will always exist. empires on themselves are not necessarily bad things. i would rather, Iraq and Afghanistan adopted an American style democracy of elected representatives than a Taliban or Baathist dictatorship. I'm sure, for all your criticism of the States, you would at least agree with that. what your attitude to Alexander the Great should be, is to say, yes him expanding his territory is imperialist, but so what? with it, he opened the world to the ideas of Socrates, to the teachings of Epicurus, to Aristotle and to many other beautiful Hellenistic concepts that have definitely enlightened humanity. you should not however pretend that Alexander was not an imperialist.

"Having failed miserably to give me a definition of imperialism.."

didn't actually realize you had asked me for one. imperialism? lets see, the extension of influence by means of force or money. Alexander the Great did it by brute military force.

"...exporting Greek culture..." except, there is a catch here. he exported this by virtue of military conquest. he didn't ask those he conquered whether they wanted it, he took over their land first. kinda what the Ottomans did as well.

"...purely dictated by the designs of US capitalists on Iraq's resources"

Alexander the Great also took slaves (the human resource at the time)and plundered many of those he defeated. what you're trying so hard to sell, is that his expansionism was out of design to expand Greek thinking. well that of course is complete and total bollocks. Its like saying, the Ottomans only expanded into other lands to export Turkish/Persian philosophy. or the Arab conquests of the 7th century.

The Greek parliament has the consent of its electorate the EU commission hasn't.
(Leonidas, 23 January 2014 00:17)

Haha, so where did the EU commission come from? Mars?!

Do you really think that Dacic did it all? How come? He`s been the minister since 2008 and he couldn`t do anything before Vucic&Nikolic came!
(Cinderella, 23 January 2014 07:17)

so tell me Cinderella, when were Karadzic, Mladic and Hadzic captured and sent to the Hague and was their capture one of the conditions on the road to EU, and who was minister of the interior then? In the recent past, who had to go and face Ashton and Thaci (taking big political risks since a lot of propaganda has made Thaci into a demon in Serbia and pictures of Dacic and Thaci will surely come out in the next elections), who had pictures taken with them, Dacic or Nikolic?

Any way you put it, the overwhelming contribution for Serbia to be where it is, is of Dacic (yes, Nikolic and Vucic told their people in parliament to vote for something general but that is about it). Not that I like Dacic, he has his own skeletons in the closet, but when one sees Nikolic come out with a "Responsible citizens, responsible President" TV spot it is just too funny.

Or maybe there is something that you know and I dont?

oh dear me, so the Ottomans were not imperialist? the Soviet Union was not imperialist either, considering it was a communist bloc.

as for the rest of your nonsense, will deal with it later
(Nikolle, 27 January 2014 10:14)

You do try to compare apples with oranges to justify your ignorance. You’ve got to see Alexander from the point of view of the ancient era and not the modern one.If you don't know WTF I'm talking about you can open some decent history books and may I suggest Plutarch’s Life of Alexander where he presents an Alexander worthy of being the founder of a globalization but only in respect of trying to create a human global identity but not one that it is driven by modern market forces and multinational corporations.

Is it going to take you that long to cut and paste on the web to answer my points?

(Nikolle,

Since you put in the same basket the likes of Alexander,Genghis Khan,Ottomans,British empire,Soviets and I would assume also the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan (tell me otherwise) what's your definition of imperialism?

Still you've haven't answered whether the French,British,Dutch(since they'are against immigration)are conspiracy theorists.

Griffin, like you, believes that the EU is trying to dilute Europe's population, specifically the white population (no shred of evidence ever given because there isn't any).
(Nikolle, 27 January 2014 23:41)

Griffin,though irrelevant,is only concerned about immigration in UK and not the EU one like the 62% of his compatriots are.He lives in UK and he can see whole cities London apart-Birmingham,Manchester,Blackburn,Bradford and the list goes on whereas you live in your cocoon in Pristina.

with it, he opened the world to the ideas of Socrates, to the teachings of Epicurus, to Aristotle and to many other beautiful Hellenistic concepts that have definitely enlightened humanity. you should not however pretend that Alexander was not an imperialist.
(Nikolle, 28 January 2014 19:59)

Painted in the corner,are we? Having failed miserably to give me a definition of imperialism then admits that Alexander enlightened humanity by exporting Greek culture-something that I've implied all along-whereas the US imperialism in Iraq was purely dictated by the designs of US capitalists on Iraq's resources (conquest and exploitation).

serbia deserves to be part of the EU because of its history? what the hell does that mean? how does its history make it a worthy European member? may as well say serbia deserves to be in EU because it has a the colour red on its flag

"A whole political class has done its best to destroy our rights and turn back the political clock by 200 years to an ignorant and radically undemocratic time"

what a stupid comment. what rights do you have missing as an EU citizen? the right to write stupid comments? you exercise that right every time

The video ends with the message: "Together until full EU membership - Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić."

This is funny, how low can Nikolic get? After Dacic did all the (hard) work, after he was publicly criticized by Nikolic, after Nikolic announced the desire to remove Dacic as a PM following early elections, now Nikolic puts out a tv spot bragging about something that is 99% Dacic's merit. Incredible!

"You normally retort to verbal abuses.."

you're confusing verbal abuse with judgement on comments. saying you writer stupid things is not verbal abuse.

"The accession Treaty of Rome doesn't stipulate anywhere the EU's right to enact and pass common legislation or introduce common currency."

and yet, you have failed to tell me how common legislation has been detrimental to EU member states. which piece of legislation has been bad for say Latvia?
re common currency: not one person forced say Greece to adopt the Euro. the Greek gov. (to now quote you) decided to join the single currency with the consent of its people. you can also vote to elect your MEP. as for human rights, one of the best bills enacted, this doesn't mean to say it can't be refined, but the guarantee of rights can never be a bad thing.

".Third world immigration into EU is a policy decision by the EU with two fold aims.Firstly,is to dilute the European population"

as for the this piece of nonsense, well, i shouldn't really bother but i can't help it. tell me, why did the EU decide to dilute European population? what is in it for them? what nonsense of a conspiracy theory are you going to construct?

"...secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers. "!

considering that most EU states have a minimum wage rate, i'd say your point is complete garbage.

I fully agree with President Tomislav Nikolic. He is a good president and Serbia is a good country.

*facepalm*

like "history and sacrifice" are the deciding criteria of EU integration.

double-facepalm this coming out of the mouth of the president.

"...I will let other posters to judge.."

this is why I say you write weird stuff. am i to deduce from the above that you won't let me judge? well, what can you do to stop me? another stupid comment, to go with a hundred of them.

what, you mean the EU doesn't have a referendum every time it decides on a law? does Greece hold a referendum every time it passes a law? of course it doesn't as it would be stupid to do so.

"... legislative integration.."...in what way has this been a bad thing for EU member states? name me one piece of legislation that the EU has passed that is wrong? seriously what odd thing are you going to say next.

"...no more mass immigration"

You can't stop EU citizens migrating from one EU member state to another, its part and parcel of being part of the club. its not the fault of the EU that people from Africa or Asia choose to come and migrate to Europe.

"...no more useless laws."

like which one?

Do you really think that Dacic did it all? How come? He`s been the minister since 2008 and he couldn`t do anything before Vucic&Nikolic came!
(Cinderella, 23 January 2014 07:17)

so tell me Cinderella, when were Karadzic, Mladic and Hadzic captured and sent to the Hague and was their capture one of the conditions on the road to EU, and who was minister of the interior then? In the recent past, who had to go and face Ashton and Thaci (taking big political risks since a lot of propaganda has made Thaci into a demon in Serbia and pictures of Dacic and Thaci will surely come out in the next elections), who had pictures taken with them, Dacic or Nikolic?

Any way you put it, the overwhelming contribution for Serbia to be where it is, is of Dacic (yes, Nikolic and Vucic told their people in parliament to vote for something general but that is about it). Not that I like Dacic, he has his own skeletons in the closet, but when one sees Nikolic come out with a "Responsible citizens, responsible President" TV spot it is just too funny.

Or maybe there is something that you know and I dont?

"...a conspiracy theorist?I don't think so."
not only are you a conspiracy theorist, but you're a really bad one at that. i.e: you have yet to explain to me, why is it that the EU has decided to dilute Europe's population. where in the EU charter/law is this set. you can't do it because such a thing doesn't exist, so you'll have to revert to conspiracies, conspiracies which take a tenth of a brain cell to debunk.
"I have write many times about corrupt Greek politicians...", greek politicians which were elected by the Greek people and hence, had their consent on the Euro. you could have done a Denmark, you didn't. not the fault of the EU.
"...human rights legislation" explain to me, how a human rights legislation is a bad thing?
"With regard to immigration"
no one here is saying that abuses do not occur in EU states. we are living in an imperfect world after all, but a basic minimum rate is guaranteed by law, which means those being taken advantage of, can report the abusers to the authorities.
i actually enjoy exchanging views with you, if only to see which Leonidas is going to surface, the alleged socialist/Marxist ("...secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers..."). the sardonic anti-imperialist who cheers for Russia and makes excuses for Alexander the Great's invasions. the Greek nationalist when 'Northern Epirus' is mentioned. or the racist who uses words like indigenous Europeans. believe me, you have much in common with Nick Griffin

The Greek parliament has the consent of its electorate the EU commission hasn't.
(Leonidas, 23 January 2014 00:17)

Haha, so where did the EU commission come from? Mars?!

what a stupid comment. what rights do you have missing as an EU citizen? the right to write stupid comments? you exercise that right every time
(Nikolle, 22 January 2014 12:41)

Whether my comment is stupid or not I will let other posters to judge and not ignorant Albanian posters like yourself who dare to comment just for the sake of it.I am talking about the rights of EU citizens who did or didn't vote about removing the trading barriers with "old Europe" by joining the Common Market and it seemed the sensible thing to do.EU voters did NOT vote for the EU and all the imposed political and legislative integration and the loss of sovereignty we are all suffering from now(let alone the mass third world immigration).

If the European Union is to survive it should stay as a free trading area, all EU countries should become sovereign states again - no more political correctness, no more mass immigration, no more useless laws.

Nikole
I didn’t expect posters with limited knowledge to grasp my thoughts but let me have another attempt. EU’s decision to dilute the indigenous populations is a two pronged approach.Firstly,in order to compete with the likes of China,India and others the EU capitalists required cheap labour Therefore,the EU’s decision to relax the rules on visa and asylum to workers from third world countries was used as opportunity by capital to strengthen its position vis-à-vis labour. It was used “as opportunity to finish the neoliberal modernizing project in terms of reducing wages, pensions and dismantling labour protection.Secondly,ethnic dilution was used as a tool towards the ultimate future goal which is one world Government.
Greece has suffered a mayhem as a result of EU immigration policies.The oversupply of labour in a de-industrialising Greece led to a lowering of wages and the displacement of Greeks from the labour market.Greece has large numbers of illegal immigrants who work in a cash economy and send euros abroad. Figures from the Bank of Greece show that billions of untaxed Euros went to Albania, Pakistan and Afghanistan.The social costs? Ghettos springing everywhere.
Do I regard myself as a Marxist?I wouldn't say so but I do feel for people dying in Iraq or Syria the likes of you totally ignore.With regard to Alexander the Great read Robin Lane Fox's book " Alexander" ( I know you're not fond of books)and he concludes his initial plan was to punish the Persians.

"...as imperialism is a natural feature of a developed capitalist nation as it matures to monopoly capitalism."

oh dear me, so the Ottomans were not imperialist? the Soviet Union was not imperialist either, considering it was a communist bloc.

as for the rest of your nonsense, will deal with it later

"Serbia deserves to be accepted as part of the EU because of its history and sacrifices".

What a lot of rubbish.The people of Serbia deserve better and have the right to run their own country in accordance with their wishes, rather than it being run to suit the ideology of a bunch of unelected and unaccountable foreign bureaucrats.

Come May 2014 and phoenix is going to rise from the ashes.The likes of Barosso will run for cover.

(Nikolle, 22 January 2014 17:22)

You normally retort to verbal abuses on other posters because of your inability to take a position on the subject matter.The accession Treaty of Rome doesn't stipulate anywhere the EU's right to enact and pass common legislation or introduce common currency.Subsequent EU treaties were passed through the back door without the consent of the people,With regard to Greece you seem to confuse apples with oranges.The Greek parliament has the consent of its electorate the EU commission hasn't.As far as individual EU legislation is concerned just ask the Brits how many times Abu Qatada used Article 6 of the European Convention of human rights to override decisions by British Courts.Third world immigration into EU is a policy decision by the EU with two fold aims.Firstly,is to dilute the European population and secondly to reduce wages and living standards amongst EU workers.
Let me leave you with a prediction.Just as we witnessed the bloody break-up of Yugoslavia and the old USSR, so the EU will be destroyed by countries demanding their ethnic freedom from corrupt centralism. Maybe not in 5 years, but certainly the longer it exists the more bloody the catastrophic end.

Nikolle

You're still sphewing the same Albanian fairytales and wishful thinking as you did as long as i can remember.Time and events have passed you by without altering your internal outlook of what has become of the EU that has taken ever greater liberties with Europe's taxpayers and legislators: regulating, subsidising and corrupting all it touched." EU common legislation has been detrimental to EU members because it supersedes decisions taken by high courts of member states.I gave you an example of Abu Qatada who was convicted of several terrorist activities by UK courts who were unable to extradite him as a result of human rights legislation.I have write many times about corrupt Greek politicians and their actions which led the country being nothing more than a satrap province of Brussels. I am still saying that Greece always has the option of kissing the eurozone a less than fond goodbye. With regard to immigration in EU you must’ve read about Bulgarian and Romanian workers picking flowers in Holland or vegetables in Germany and UK and earning less than 3 euros/hour. As far as illegal immigrants are concerned its only ruthless employers that decide what’s their pay and not covered by any legislation.
Regarding my conspiracy,it's not a coincidence the EU is trying to write its own constitution and cancelling their members ones.The latest polls show 64% of Brits and 59& of French and 49% of Dutch want out of the EU.I am still a conspiracy theorist?I don't think so.

"EU’s decision..." this is why I say to you that you're a conspiracy theorist. where in EU lawdoes it stipulate that the indigenous population of the EU must be diluted? of course, i do not expect you to tell me, because it doesn't exist anywhere. "Secondly,ethnic dilution was used as a tool towards the ultimate future goal which is one world Government." this one is actually funny. where on earth did you read that the goal of the EU is a single world gov?
"Do I regard myself as a Marxist?I wouldn't say so but I do feel for people dying in Iraq or Syria the likes of you totally ignore." you feel so much for the dying in Syria that you suggest we shouldn't do anything. did you take the same approach to Rwanda too?
"With regard to Alexander the Great read Robin Lane Fox's book " Alexander" and he concludes his initial plan was to punish the Persians." "( I know you're not fond of books)" I've had wittier insults levelled at me than this.
do you not see a flaw here? alexander did not stick to his initial plan did he? he went beyond the Persians, which means extending his territory, which means imperialism, which for whatever reason, you make excuses for. this is why i call you an ironic anti-imperialsit.

I didn’t expect posters with limited knowledge to grasp my thoughts but let me have another attempt.

Firstly,in order to compete with the likes of China,India and others the EU capitalists required cheap labour Therefore,the EU’s decision to relax the rules on visa and asylum to workers from third world countries was used as opportunity by capital to strengthen its position vis-à-vis labour.
(Leonidas, 24 January 2014 15:50)

That makes no sense whatsoever... If, say, a German company needs cheap labor, they will pay much less if they open a factory in China than having the factory in Germany and bringing Chinese workers to work in Germany.

That's probably the reason with posters can't really grasp your thoughts :)

Come May 2014 and phoenix is going to rise from the ashes.The likes of Barosso will run for cover.
(Leonidas, 21 January 2014 15:44)

Why? What is supposed to happen in May 2014?

Translation: "Serbia deserves to become yet another captive nation of the EU-US-NATO empire"
Under no circumstances should we voluntarily submit to foreign control of our economy, culture, resources or manpower. The drive to surrender to the EU is a response to a lack of ideas, self-confidence and faith in the Serbian people on the part of the incompetent regime in Belgrade. If you can't think of anything better, resign and go back to digging graves for people who are already dead. We've had enough fools trying to dig a grave for the vibrant, freedom-loving Serbian nation!

Nikolle

The EU's actions speak louder than words. Does the ECB tell you they manipulate the stock markets or interest rates? Treaties were introduced by stealth and not by democracy.On few rare occasions when countries decided to hold referenda they were either pressed not to (France and Holland)or force members( Ireland) to hold the same referendum twice.When prime ministers of member countries ( Italy and Greece)decided to hold referenda for the austerity measures both were replaced immediately(some democracy here).If you don't believe in world government " conspiracy" theories ask yourself why is it the EU signing stabilization agreements with Azerbaijan or Armenia?Are they part of Europe?

Your comments just confirm what I've always suspected those of right-wing Albanian nationalists who vote for Thaci,worship ,glorify war criminals Bush and Blair and claim ancestry from the Illyrian Queen Teuta.

Do I see a flow in your definition of imperialism? I do as imperialism is a natural feature of a developed capitalist nation as it matures to monopoly capitalism.I had no idea the ancient Greeks had a developed capitalist state 2300+years ago.

With regard to Nick Griffin(your views are more to the right than his) a recent poll in UK found 62% of Brits are against any further immigration and demanded immediate referendum on the EU.Are they Griffin's supporters or conspiracy theorists?

oh dear me, so the Ottomans were not imperialist? the Soviet Union was not imperialist either, considering it was a communist bloc.

as for the rest of your nonsense, will deal with it later
(Nikolle, 27 January 2014 10:14)

You do try to compare apples with oranges to justify your ignorance. You’ve got to see Alexander from the point of view of the ancient era and not the modern one.If you don't know WTF I'm talking about you can open some decent history books and may I suggest Plutarch’s Life of Alexander where he presents an Alexander worthy of being the founder of a globalization but only in respect of trying to create a human global identity but not one that it is driven by modern market forces and multinational corporations.

Is it going to take you that long to cut and paste on the web to answer my points?

Why? What is supposed to happen in May 2014?
(Mark, 21 January 2014 20:06)

If the present polls in France,Italy,UK,Holland for the European elections in May 2014 are right then those who bear the fundamental responsibility for setting up an anti democratic organisation that has deliberately lied to hundreds of millions about its plan to destroy nations and create a superstate and continue with its austerity policies today will be crushed.The EU is a state built on dishonesty and, in effect, arrogant lies. It has a problem with reality because it does not like listening. A whole political class has done its best to destroy our rights and turn back the political clock by 200 years to an ignorant and radically undemocratic time.A state built on lies is a state that will be destroyed by the truth. It is only a matter of time and how much we will be forced to pay for all this.

"This is funny, how low can Nikolic get? After Dacic did all the (hard) work, after he was publicly criticized by Nikolic, after Nikolic announced the desire to remove Dacic as a PM following early elections, now Nikolic puts out a tv spot bragging about something that is 99% Dacic's merit. Incredible!
(Reader, 21 January 2014 19:36)"
Do you really think that Dacic did it all? How come? He`s been the minister since 2008 and he couldn`t do anything before Vucic&Nikolic came!

with it, he opened the world to the ideas of Socrates, to the teachings of Epicurus, to Aristotle and to many other beautiful Hellenistic concepts that have definitely enlightened humanity. you should not however pretend that Alexander was not an imperialist.
(Nikolle, 28 January 2014 19:59)

Painted in the corner,are we? Having failed miserably to give me a definition of imperialism then admits that Alexander enlightened humanity by exporting Greek culture-something that I've implied all along-whereas the US imperialism in Iraq was purely dictated by the designs of US capitalists on Iraq's resources (conquest and exploitation).

" Treaties were introduced by stealth and not by democracy."

I'm actually trying to figure out if you're being serious here or if you're being moronic on purpose. Its stupid to believe that e referendum should be held on every aspect/treaty of the EU. only the biggest of all dimwits (no surprises here) would think otherwise.

"If you don't believe in world government " conspiracy" theories ask yourself why is it the EU signing stabilization agreements with Azerbaijan or Armenia?"

if you think this proves that the EU is part of some kind of plot to bring about a world gov. (for what its worth, why is that even a bad thing?) then you really need to do better.

"Your comments just confirm what I've always suspected those of right-wing Albanian nationalists who vote for Thaci,worship ,glorify war criminals Bush and Blair and claim ancestry from the Illyrian Queen Teuta. "

this is the first time that i have been called a nationalist. for the record, i have not once given Thaci my vote, but that is another thing.

"With regard to Nick Griffin..." Nick Griffin, like you, uses phrases like indigenous Europeans. Nick Griffin, like you, is convinced that the EU is a fascist bloc. Nick Griffin, like you, believes that the EU is trying to dilute Europe's population, specifically the white population (no shred of evidence ever given because there isn't any).

" You’ve got to see Alexander from the point of view of the ancient era and not the modern one.If you don't know WTF I'm talking about you can open some decent history books and may I suggest Plutarch’s Life of Alexander where he presents an Alexander worthy of being the founder of a globalization but only in respect of trying to create a human global identity but not one that it is driven by modern market forces and multinational corporations."

I have already replied to this one,. but for whatever reason. my comment wasn't published. will try again.

You've got to look at the Ottoman Empire from the point of view of the Middle Ages and not the modern. using your infantile logic, that empires are only products of capitalist nations (now the Marxist in you is taking over) the Ottomans were not imperialists. neither was Genghis Kahn. Neither oddly enough seem to have been Persians.

(Nikolle,

Since you put in the same basket the likes of Alexander,Genghis Khan,Ottomans,British empire,Soviets and I would assume also the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan (tell me otherwise) what's your definition of imperialism?

Still you've haven't answered whether the French,British,Dutch(since they'are against immigration)are conspiracy theorists.

"Still you've haven't answered whether the French,British,Dutch(since they'are against immigration)are conspiracy theorists."

that depends. if they're anti-immigration because they believe there is an EU plot to dilute Europe's population, then yes, they're conspiracy theorists. if they're anti-immigration because there undoubtedly is a social cost to immigration, and they fret about that, then no they would not be. immigration however, is a sensitive subject; human beings migrate, it has always happened, it will always happen. the best you can do about it, is to try and control it, but one will never be able to stop it, because first and foremost, all people look to improve their living conditions, so in pure humanistic terms, given the horrid conditions that most people in Africa find themselves in, I don't blame them for trying to come to Europe. I'd be trying to get out of there too. however, there is not, no has there ever been an EU plan to dilute the peoples of Europe. that's moronic

Griffin, like you, believes that the EU is trying to dilute Europe's population, specifically the white population (no shred of evidence ever given because there isn't any).
(Nikolle, 27 January 2014 23:41)

Griffin,though irrelevant,is only concerned about immigration in UK and not the EU one like the 62% of his compatriots are.He lives in UK and he can see whole cities London apart-Birmingham,Manchester,Blackburn,Bradford and the list goes on whereas you live in your cocoon in Pristina.

"...assume also the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan..." if you thought that by this you're going to get me in a spot of bother, then i really feel for you. yes, what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq is imperialism, but unlike you, I have never claimed to be an anti-imperialist for the simple reason that empires have always existed and they will always exist. empires on themselves are not necessarily bad things. i would rather, Iraq and Afghanistan adopted an American style democracy of elected representatives than a Taliban or Baathist dictatorship. I'm sure, for all your criticism of the States, you would at least agree with that. what your attitude to Alexander the Great should be, is to say, yes him expanding his territory is imperialist, but so what? with it, he opened the world to the ideas of Socrates, to the teachings of Epicurus, to Aristotle and to many other beautiful Hellenistic concepts that have definitely enlightened humanity. you should not however pretend that Alexander was not an imperialist.

"Having failed miserably to give me a definition of imperialism.."

didn't actually realize you had asked me for one. imperialism? lets see, the extension of influence by means of force or money. Alexander the Great did it by brute military force.

"...exporting Greek culture..." except, there is a catch here. he exported this by virtue of military conquest. he didn't ask those he conquered whether they wanted it, he took over their land first. kinda what the Ottomans did as well.

"...purely dictated by the designs of US capitalists on Iraq's resources"

Alexander the Great also took slaves (the human resource at the time)and plundered many of those he defeated. what you're trying so hard to sell, is that his expansionism was out of design to expand Greek thinking. well that of course is complete and total bollocks. Its like saying, the Ottomans only expanded into other lands to export Turkish/Persian philosophy. or the Arab conquests of the 7th century.