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Poll finds Macedonia's "best friend" to be Turkey

A majority of Macedonian citizens who took part in a recent public opinion poll have identified Turkey as their country's "best friend."

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Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia". "

oh dear me. you remind of Muslim fanatics who hark on about a glorious past that they're dying (literally) to get back to. tell me, do you stay up all night, lost in Serbian fairy tales about Dusan and other knights and how they saved Europe from the Islamic horde? you're a kid lost in metaphors. I suggest you wake up from these fantasies you've lost yourself in. Serbia's borders aren't going to get any bigger, better try and preserve what you have and leave Dusan where he is, dead

icj1

pre 10 godina

Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".
(Ari Gold, 25 December 2013 15:35)

Ok, then, let's solve this problem by having all Serbs move to the cradle of Serbdom (KiM and Macedonia) and Albanians and Macedonians move to today's Serbia (which is not the root of the Serbian nation) and finally Serbs will find peace going back to their roots.

Mother Teresa

pre 10 godina

Macedonia is an artificial creation. Macedonia will not exist in about 10 to 15 years time frame. At least 50% of the population are Albanians, so half of the FYROM will unite with Albania so at the end will be Great Albania (Albania, Kosova, half of FYROM and Presheva Valley)! Clock is ticking.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

(Danilo, 25 December 2013 12:45)

Their language is a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian not closer to Bulgarian I wouldn't say as I can understand them fine but cannot understand a Bulgarian that easy. Before communism, people there considered themselves to be Serbian. Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".

It wasn't until the communist era where groups of people were being branded as "nations" did these people start to believe this Alexander the Great nonsense. In an attempt to create the illusion that Yugoslavia is this great multi-ethnic paradise, and given the fact that the tyrant Tito was a vehement Greco-phobe, he gave them this identity that they still adhere to today.

I am not even saying Bulgarians don't have any ties to the land either. Its probably mixed by now. I am just saying that if they are doing soul searching as to who they really are, it would make sense to ally with Serbia given the similar threats to our countries' borders that we both face.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

You're changing the subject, Ari. We're talking about identity not territorial claims.

So, I'll ask again. Why are Macedonians REALLY Serbs and not really just themselves or really Bulgarians when their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian.

"we share security concerns" doesn't answer this question.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?
(Danilo, 24 December 2013 13:34)

Because of Yugoslavism and communism which Belgrade is still occupied by to this very day. Before this cancerous ideology, these people considered themselves to be Serbian. It was a real mind f**k this communism, our people lost so much of its identity and culture by agreeing to this existence.

Bulgarians have real claims to this territory too I am not denying that. But it is Serbs who share the common national security threats as the Macedonians which is of course Albanian separatism.

They should pick whatever they want but the status-quo. If they continue down this path, they are digging their own grave.

Diogenies

pre 10 godina

@Ari Gold...Brother, why do you even bother to point out the obvious too these Fyromanians? Look in Afghanistan they have uncovered all sorts of treasures from Alexander's time and the writing on the treasures was Greek. The name Alexander is a Greek name , Alexander wanted to be in the Olympics( a place only reserved for Greeks) Alexander slept with a copy of the illiad under his pillow. Recently in Bulgaria they uncovered Thrasian graves everything in the Graves had Greek writing on the treasures ... The only place that they try and remove the Greek texts and obvious Hellenic Culture from history aside from Fyromania is Turkey. They mutually don't even allow religious freedom for Orthodox Christian Minorities. I'm not surprised with the survey ,why are you?

think about it

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.
(Mlutin, 24 December 2013 13:17
What a ridiculous comment. Talking about not being friends with someone that invaded them 600 years ago, when Serbia is doing everything it can to join a group that invaded them 14 years ago and permanently severed a part of their country away.

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

BTW where is Bulgaria?

Bulgaria is everywhere ,just visit the museum in Bitola.None of the revolutionaries has ever claimed Greek ancestry,they were all declared Bulgarians.As to your appreciation for the Albanians it just shows how deluded you are.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

ya ya, Ari. Meanwhile Bulgarians say Macedonians are REALLY Bulgarians (after all, their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian).

How about the Macedonians get to decide for themselves what they REALLY are instead of listening to lectures from American teenagers.

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?

Mlutin

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.

Alex

pre 10 godina

Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2013 10:20)

Ari lecturing Macedonians on history. Typical of old Serbs, it is funny!!

BTW where is Bulgaria?? I am very surprised with these results of the questioner.

Albania has been frank to the ancient people of Macedonia since 1991, especially during the 2000 conflict, no wonder it appears on the top list.

Long Live Macedonia.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

While these people are deciding their identity, the Albanians are making sure the Macedonians wont have a country to govern by the time the they figure themselves out.

The majority Slavs of this country have two stark paths it can take going forward. They can either do some "soul searching" and rediscover their "long lost" (since 1945) Serbian-ness...OR they can continue on this destructive path of identity theft of Greek culture, and watch their country be wiped off the map.

This region in the Balkans along with Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest parts of the Serbian state. Vardar and Kosovo i Metohija make up the foundation of Serbian culture and national identity. That is a proud history. Not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!

Ned k

pre 10 godina

The servey dos not suprise me, considering half of population of macedonia consists of Albanian and turkish population, it is expected they lean towards their brothers.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 10 godina

I dont mind the Turks... Being revengeful won't change the past..

I don't know why the serbs rate so highly... I guess 80 years of serb/yugoslav propaganda has had that effect.. We were taught the Albanians greeks/bulgars/turks were bad, heck everyone was bad except for the Serbs, now we have Serb love..

Personally I love all Balkan people, like it or not we are the same... Despite our tendencies to murder each other occasionally

scepticism

pre 10 godina

Great news. Muslims unite. Soon skopje will be part of albania, and whoever is not muslim will have to go Bulgaria or Serbia. I find this a realistic approach. Less than 10 years.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 10 godina

Wow this is like news to me,I had no idea that Turkey is considered a "best friend" nation to Macedonia so does that mean that they could be staunch allies to one another? When some of us think of nations that have a "special relationship",staunch allies and what appears to be best friends what comes to some of our minds are Great Britain & United States and to some extent Canada & Israel.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

While these people are deciding their identity, the Albanians are making sure the Macedonians wont have a country to govern by the time the they figure themselves out.

The majority Slavs of this country have two stark paths it can take going forward. They can either do some "soul searching" and rediscover their "long lost" (since 1945) Serbian-ness...OR they can continue on this destructive path of identity theft of Greek culture, and watch their country be wiped off the map.

This region in the Balkans along with Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest parts of the Serbian state. Vardar and Kosovo i Metohija make up the foundation of Serbian culture and national identity. That is a proud history. Not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!

Ned k

pre 10 godina

The servey dos not suprise me, considering half of population of macedonia consists of Albanian and turkish population, it is expected they lean towards their brothers.

Diogenies

pre 10 godina

@Ari Gold...Brother, why do you even bother to point out the obvious too these Fyromanians? Look in Afghanistan they have uncovered all sorts of treasures from Alexander's time and the writing on the treasures was Greek. The name Alexander is a Greek name , Alexander wanted to be in the Olympics( a place only reserved for Greeks) Alexander slept with a copy of the illiad under his pillow. Recently in Bulgaria they uncovered Thrasian graves everything in the Graves had Greek writing on the treasures ... The only place that they try and remove the Greek texts and obvious Hellenic Culture from history aside from Fyromania is Turkey. They mutually don't even allow religious freedom for Orthodox Christian Minorities. I'm not surprised with the survey ,why are you?

scepticism

pre 10 godina

Great news. Muslims unite. Soon skopje will be part of albania, and whoever is not muslim will have to go Bulgaria or Serbia. I find this a realistic approach. Less than 10 years.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

(Danilo, 25 December 2013 12:45)

Their language is a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian not closer to Bulgarian I wouldn't say as I can understand them fine but cannot understand a Bulgarian that easy. Before communism, people there considered themselves to be Serbian. Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".

It wasn't until the communist era where groups of people were being branded as "nations" did these people start to believe this Alexander the Great nonsense. In an attempt to create the illusion that Yugoslavia is this great multi-ethnic paradise, and given the fact that the tyrant Tito was a vehement Greco-phobe, he gave them this identity that they still adhere to today.

I am not even saying Bulgarians don't have any ties to the land either. Its probably mixed by now. I am just saying that if they are doing soul searching as to who they really are, it would make sense to ally with Serbia given the similar threats to our countries' borders that we both face.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 10 godina

I dont mind the Turks... Being revengeful won't change the past..

I don't know why the serbs rate so highly... I guess 80 years of serb/yugoslav propaganda has had that effect.. We were taught the Albanians greeks/bulgars/turks were bad, heck everyone was bad except for the Serbs, now we have Serb love..

Personally I love all Balkan people, like it or not we are the same... Despite our tendencies to murder each other occasionally

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

BTW where is Bulgaria?

Bulgaria is everywhere ,just visit the museum in Bitola.None of the revolutionaries has ever claimed Greek ancestry,they were all declared Bulgarians.As to your appreciation for the Albanians it just shows how deluded you are.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?
(Danilo, 24 December 2013 13:34)

Because of Yugoslavism and communism which Belgrade is still occupied by to this very day. Before this cancerous ideology, these people considered themselves to be Serbian. It was a real mind f**k this communism, our people lost so much of its identity and culture by agreeing to this existence.

Bulgarians have real claims to this territory too I am not denying that. But it is Serbs who share the common national security threats as the Macedonians which is of course Albanian separatism.

They should pick whatever they want but the status-quo. If they continue down this path, they are digging their own grave.

Mlutin

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

ya ya, Ari. Meanwhile Bulgarians say Macedonians are REALLY Bulgarians (after all, their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian).

How about the Macedonians get to decide for themselves what they REALLY are instead of listening to lectures from American teenagers.

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?

think about it

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.
(Mlutin, 24 December 2013 13:17
What a ridiculous comment. Talking about not being friends with someone that invaded them 600 years ago, when Serbia is doing everything it can to join a group that invaded them 14 years ago and permanently severed a part of their country away.

Alex

pre 10 godina

Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2013 10:20)

Ari lecturing Macedonians on history. Typical of old Serbs, it is funny!!

BTW where is Bulgaria?? I am very surprised with these results of the questioner.

Albania has been frank to the ancient people of Macedonia since 1991, especially during the 2000 conflict, no wonder it appears on the top list.

Long Live Macedonia.

Mother Teresa

pre 10 godina

Macedonia is an artificial creation. Macedonia will not exist in about 10 to 15 years time frame. At least 50% of the population are Albanians, so half of the FYROM will unite with Albania so at the end will be Great Albania (Albania, Kosova, half of FYROM and Presheva Valley)! Clock is ticking.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 10 godina

Wow this is like news to me,I had no idea that Turkey is considered a "best friend" nation to Macedonia so does that mean that they could be staunch allies to one another? When some of us think of nations that have a "special relationship",staunch allies and what appears to be best friends what comes to some of our minds are Great Britain & United States and to some extent Canada & Israel.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".
(Ari Gold, 25 December 2013 15:35)

Ok, then, let's solve this problem by having all Serbs move to the cradle of Serbdom (KiM and Macedonia) and Albanians and Macedonians move to today's Serbia (which is not the root of the Serbian nation) and finally Serbs will find peace going back to their roots.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia". "

oh dear me. you remind of Muslim fanatics who hark on about a glorious past that they're dying (literally) to get back to. tell me, do you stay up all night, lost in Serbian fairy tales about Dusan and other knights and how they saved Europe from the Islamic horde? you're a kid lost in metaphors. I suggest you wake up from these fantasies you've lost yourself in. Serbia's borders aren't going to get any bigger, better try and preserve what you have and leave Dusan where he is, dead

Danilo

pre 10 godina

You're changing the subject, Ari. We're talking about identity not territorial claims.

So, I'll ask again. Why are Macedonians REALLY Serbs and not really just themselves or really Bulgarians when their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian.

"we share security concerns" doesn't answer this question.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

While these people are deciding their identity, the Albanians are making sure the Macedonians wont have a country to govern by the time the they figure themselves out.

The majority Slavs of this country have two stark paths it can take going forward. They can either do some "soul searching" and rediscover their "long lost" (since 1945) Serbian-ness...OR they can continue on this destructive path of identity theft of Greek culture, and watch their country be wiped off the map.

This region in the Balkans along with Kosovo i Metohija are the oldest parts of the Serbian state. Vardar and Kosovo i Metohija make up the foundation of Serbian culture and national identity. That is a proud history. Not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!

Alex

pre 10 godina

Alexander the Great, but that's simply not your history to claim!
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2013 10:20)

Ari lecturing Macedonians on history. Typical of old Serbs, it is funny!!

BTW where is Bulgaria?? I am very surprised with these results of the questioner.

Albania has been frank to the ancient people of Macedonia since 1991, especially during the 2000 conflict, no wonder it appears on the top list.

Long Live Macedonia.

scepticism

pre 10 godina

Great news. Muslims unite. Soon skopje will be part of albania, and whoever is not muslim will have to go Bulgaria or Serbia. I find this a realistic approach. Less than 10 years.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 10 godina

I dont mind the Turks... Being revengeful won't change the past..

I don't know why the serbs rate so highly... I guess 80 years of serb/yugoslav propaganda has had that effect.. We were taught the Albanians greeks/bulgars/turks were bad, heck everyone was bad except for the Serbs, now we have Serb love..

Personally I love all Balkan people, like it or not we are the same... Despite our tendencies to murder each other occasionally

Danilo

pre 10 godina

ya ya, Ari. Meanwhile Bulgarians say Macedonians are REALLY Bulgarians (after all, their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian).

How about the Macedonians get to decide for themselves what they REALLY are instead of listening to lectures from American teenagers.

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?

Diogenies

pre 10 godina

@Ari Gold...Brother, why do you even bother to point out the obvious too these Fyromanians? Look in Afghanistan they have uncovered all sorts of treasures from Alexander's time and the writing on the treasures was Greek. The name Alexander is a Greek name , Alexander wanted to be in the Olympics( a place only reserved for Greeks) Alexander slept with a copy of the illiad under his pillow. Recently in Bulgaria they uncovered Thrasian graves everything in the Graves had Greek writing on the treasures ... The only place that they try and remove the Greek texts and obvious Hellenic Culture from history aside from Fyromania is Turkey. They mutually don't even allow religious freedom for Orthodox Christian Minorities. I'm not surprised with the survey ,why are you?

Danilo

pre 10 godina

You're changing the subject, Ari. We're talking about identity not territorial claims.

So, I'll ask again. Why are Macedonians REALLY Serbs and not really just themselves or really Bulgarians when their language is closer to Bulgarian than Serbian.

"we share security concerns" doesn't answer this question.

Gotsefromohrid

pre 10 godina

BTW where is Bulgaria?

Bulgaria is everywhere ,just visit the museum in Bitola.None of the revolutionaries has ever claimed Greek ancestry,they were all declared Bulgarians.As to your appreciation for the Albanians it just shows how deluded you are.

think about it

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.
(Mlutin, 24 December 2013 13:17
What a ridiculous comment. Talking about not being friends with someone that invaded them 600 years ago, when Serbia is doing everything it can to join a group that invaded them 14 years ago and permanently severed a part of their country away.

Mother Teresa

pre 10 godina

Macedonia is an artificial creation. Macedonia will not exist in about 10 to 15 years time frame. At least 50% of the population are Albanians, so half of the FYROM will unite with Albania so at the end will be Great Albania (Albania, Kosova, half of FYROM and Presheva Valley)! Clock is ticking.

Ned k

pre 10 godina

The servey dos not suprise me, considering half of population of macedonia consists of Albanian and turkish population, it is expected they lean towards their brothers.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

(Danilo, 25 December 2013 12:45)

Their language is a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian not closer to Bulgarian I wouldn't say as I can understand them fine but cannot understand a Bulgarian that easy. Before communism, people there considered themselves to be Serbian. Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".

It wasn't until the communist era where groups of people were being branded as "nations" did these people start to believe this Alexander the Great nonsense. In an attempt to create the illusion that Yugoslavia is this great multi-ethnic paradise, and given the fact that the tyrant Tito was a vehement Greco-phobe, he gave them this identity that they still adhere to today.

I am not even saying Bulgarians don't have any ties to the land either. Its probably mixed by now. I am just saying that if they are doing soul searching as to who they really are, it would make sense to ally with Serbia given the similar threats to our countries' borders that we both face.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia".
(Ari Gold, 25 December 2013 15:35)

Ok, then, let's solve this problem by having all Serbs move to the cradle of Serbdom (KiM and Macedonia) and Albanians and Macedonians move to today's Serbia (which is not the root of the Serbian nation) and finally Serbs will find peace going back to their roots.

Mlutin

pre 10 godina

Unite with Turkey and never join the EU. You wouldn't join even if u stay independant. Just let your "best friends" invade you again.... pathetic people.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Skoplje was the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire. This region along with Kosovo i Metohija is the very root of the Serbian nation and considered "Old Serbia". "

oh dear me. you remind of Muslim fanatics who hark on about a glorious past that they're dying (literally) to get back to. tell me, do you stay up all night, lost in Serbian fairy tales about Dusan and other knights and how they saved Europe from the Islamic horde? you're a kid lost in metaphors. I suggest you wake up from these fantasies you've lost yourself in. Serbia's borders aren't going to get any bigger, better try and preserve what you have and leave Dusan where he is, dead

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

The only "soul searching" that needs to happen is Serbs asking themselves why everyone in the region has distanced themselves from Serbs. Why haven't these silly Bosnians and Macedonians listened to these nice lectures about what they REALLY are?
(Danilo, 24 December 2013 13:34)

Because of Yugoslavism and communism which Belgrade is still occupied by to this very day. Before this cancerous ideology, these people considered themselves to be Serbian. It was a real mind f**k this communism, our people lost so much of its identity and culture by agreeing to this existence.

Bulgarians have real claims to this territory too I am not denying that. But it is Serbs who share the common national security threats as the Macedonians which is of course Albanian separatism.

They should pick whatever they want but the status-quo. If they continue down this path, they are digging their own grave.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 10 godina

Wow this is like news to me,I had no idea that Turkey is considered a "best friend" nation to Macedonia so does that mean that they could be staunch allies to one another? When some of us think of nations that have a "special relationship",staunch allies and what appears to be best friends what comes to some of our minds are Great Britain & United States and to some extent Canada & Israel.