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Wednesday, 11.12.2013.

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U.S. "disgusted" as Ukrainian police disperse protest

The U.S. expressed their "disgust," while the EU said it was "disappointed" that the Ukrainian police dispersed protesters from the central square in Kiev.

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rote

pre 10 godina

DESPITE THE CONTRADICTIONS LIKE

“it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia … And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern.”

I SURRENDER ND MARK YOUR POST AS “RECOMMENDED” BECAUSE YOU WERE MORE DIPLOMATIC … AS USUAL. BUT WE BOTH JUST STEP BACK REMAINING AT THE SAME POSITIONS.

P.S. In fact I am really happy that Jeszcze Polska nie zginê³a but please leave us alone. Best if you fight for open visas to your master’s home. After so many years of truthful service you really deserve it !!!!!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

rote

Hatred is an extremely strong word. I believe distrust or suspicion fits better. And yes, it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia, but like any other coutnry on this planet, including Russia, it is sometimes difficult to be completely objective.

And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern. It is far away in the Balkans and of no real consequence to us here. I do, however, wish for them to be independent (for their own good) of other larger countries' interests, as I would for my own country. Being independent and having a foot in every major market (US, EU, Russia and China) can only be beneficial to a country (as it was for Yugoslavia under Tito). Why this stupid polarization into East-West, like after WWII? Europe is Europe and should not be split with loyalties to either Moscow, Washington or now this monster headed up by Brussels.

However, I know how Russians think, and it's actually pointless that I discuss geopolitics with you, as we know how it always ends.

rote

pre 10 godina

Peter Sudyka

An old anecdote for you :

During Solidarnost a Polish soldier was asked whom he will be shooting first if Warsaw Pact invades. Will it be Russians or Germans ? He said Russians as the OBLIGATIONS COME FIRST AND PLEASURE COMES NEXT. From you round about posts I can see that nothing has changed since then. Peter do not tell us how you love Russians as we already know it. But do not let hatred to switch your brains off. Poles always do it when it comes to Russia. Also forget about the Ukraine ! it was just another failure of your legionary politics targeted at us.

Your sophisticated ideas can be expressed shorter as OUT OF THE TWO MONSTERS RUSSIA IS WORSE. Do you believe you can influence Serbs to make their choice ? You may be surprised but they have brains of their own to get what you really mean for them for the Ukraine and for everything that can strengthen or weaken us. Russia is the only thing that matters for you and everybody knows it. Marsz, marsz, Dabrowski…

Bob

pre 10 godina

This report is out of date and wrong - the protestors were not dispersed.

Further, Ashton Serbia's true love was there talking of hte need for dialogue and the Ukrainian president has promised not to use force.

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

Yanukovich is simply shooting himself in the foot. He will not maintain rule in the Ukraine unless he pulls a Lukashenka and enforces a dictatorship, where the opposition is as good as neutered.

Indeed, many in Eastern Ukraine, who rely on Russia for their businesses to function will be pro-government and pro-Customs Union, as their prices would rise 35% in Russia due to "protective measures" (I prefer to call it blackmail to keep Ukraine in limbo, but whatever, jedem das seine), but hundreds of thousands of protestors over a period of many days in Central/Western Ukraine cannot be ignored, given Ukrainian living standards are as bad as the poorest countries in the Balkans, thanks to political corruption, when the country has the potential and resources to be a European powerhouse. Admittedly, Ukraine would simply be the EU's whore (used and abused to Brussel's benefit, and sucked dry, not unlike Russia), but I dare say the prospects would be better for the youth of Ukraine, who are the future, and not the old Homo Sovieticus generation (therefore, the lesser of two evils).

The problem lies in the fact that by "joining" one of these stupid blocs would be like a disabled/unemployed person relying on handouts of bread (be it Moscow or Brussels), when it should be a strong, free nation (and it has the capacity to be so, if not for Yanukovich and his corrupt oligarchs) in control of its own destiny. They must take matters in their own hands and this is a good start.

rote

pre 10 godina

Did You Know?

“Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.”

To be correct please mention :

STALIN was an Ossetian and the haplogramme of his grandson Burdonsky proves it 100% but his mother was a Georgian

BERIA was Mengrel type of a Georgian but his mother was a Jew.

YAGODA was a Jew.

Yagoda was a bad man but two others were both great men though not saints … Beria was the only one who deserved to replace Stalin. It was him who has poisoned Stalin. But he was the one who could make the USSR stronger. If only he had not been shot down long before his “trial” … Khrushev was a simple minded revenger to promise to show it to the west and to promise Communism to the Soviets by 1980. But he deceived both sides – neither «Кузькина мать» nor Communism.

Mark

pre 10 godina

During occupy protests. Peaceful protesters where beaten with clubs, pepper sprayed in the face, had tear gas launched at them, shot at with rubber bullets. One guy (American veteran) got hit in the head with a tear gas canister and recieved brain damage. Don't believe me my friends? Check out youtube.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?
===================================

I wonder why you are reading too much into what Michael said. You don't usually twist words to make someone's post sound silly.
That is not what Michael said and you know it.

Pick 'n' Choose

pre 10 godina

Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.
(silence is golden, 11 December 2013 17:13)

Eventually.

It is only one of quite a number of 'individual' incident, because the US police clearly isn't militarized or uses brutal tactics against demonstrators. Only individuals. Obviously. Nothing systematic. Just a few rotten apples. Just like no torture or war crimes. That's someone (foreign) else.

Sreten

pre 10 godina

This is not exactly peaceful protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2ZtTNp0GQ

Yet, US is disgusted and EU disappointed...

In Toronto, Canada we see much more peaceful protest (people sitting and singing national anthem ) dispersed by police violently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQylP5i3zyg

Why wasn't US disgusted and EU disappointed?

Because their hypocrisy is disgusting and disappointing.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Serbs, rote kapele,who is a really rote( in albanian rote means wheel or rote can be used for someone who doesnt put his/her brain in work) and Leonidas:

70% of Ukrainas wants SAA signed.
Check the facts before you speak or comment.Putin' URSS dream,is getting shrinked every day.
Kudos to urkainian people!

silence is golden

pre 10 godina

(The Right Way
Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.

Did You Know?

pre 10 godina

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 December 2013 12:43)

Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.

Funny how everyone becomes 'Russian' regardless of their origins so that someone can make a point.

Get real

pre 10 godina

Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11
Get real why don't you, During the occupy wallstreet protests, protesters were allowed to camp out on lawns without threat, they carried their slogans chanted. When they blocked streets etc they were moved back to safe areas. I do not know of any instance of someone being THREATENED with lengthy prison sentences, and definitely you will not find anyone that received them.
When your argument is based on lies it shows you have no argument.

The Right Way

pre 10 godina

It is disgusting what the Ukrainian authorities are doing it. It is wrong. They should do it democratically like the US:

PEPPER SPRAY: UC Davis students 'maced' in Occupy protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIccco4PRRk

It's much more humanitarian and free.

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

The U.S. expressed their "disgust," while the EU said it was "disappointed" that the Ukrainian police dispersed protesters from the central square in Kiev.

Indeed, truly outrageous that police would dare enforce the law of the land and defy the designs of foreign politicians and their bankster friends.
Can anyone really think of a single EU government that would tolerate groups of citizens forcibly taking over the city hall of the country's capital,physically obstructing the work of state institutions and demand the resignation of its elected government? I don’t think so.

rote kapelle

pre 10 godina

6 out of 7 Bln. on this planet feel disgust when they hear about the US. So what ? Nothing changes and now it’s the US turn to wipe another spit off and watch that their technologies do not work as it used to be in Serbia in Kirgizstan in Georgia in Poland in Libya in Tunissia ect. After replacing Mossadiq in Iran 1953 CIA changed regimes in dozens of states. But after Russia became strong enough to support those who have will for resistance the things run not that good USA got already used to. Battle for the Ukraine is the most important news in 2013. It’s a crucial event for all Europeans no matter if they live in the prosperous Netherland or poor Bulgaria. But their brain washing machine is demoralized to launch an effective demonizing campaign. Like it was in Serbia in Syria in … in … in …

Zoran

pre 10 godina

Looks like another failed velvet "revolution" organised by the west. Meanwhile, in the US, Greece, Spain and Turkey (i.e. NATO countries), riot police are free to violently end peaceful democratic protests and call demonstrators "terrorists" for good measure. No a bit of criticism from the US government there.

Imagine if those Ukranian protestors did the same thing in a western country. Using bulldozers on police, occupying government buildings, causing riots and destroying buildings. How would the governments of those countries react?

Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The same will happen in the U.S. The government continues to add more and more people to its entitlement programs which runs up the national debt. The U.S. will become insolvent and stop paying these programs and its dependent citizens will revert to protest as in Greece. That is when the military will be called in to regain control. Its like watching a train wreck happen in slow motion.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."

Michael Thomas

pre 10 godina

When the American public dares to challenge Wall Street robbers and protests that their futures and the futures of their children and grandchildren are being stolen by a ruthless and well-organised banking mafia, what do the American police do? Pepper spray and beat the peaceful protestors and threaten them with long-term prison sentences if they dare protest again. That is what passes for freedom in the western world today.

The Occupy Wall Street protests were a spontaneous uprising against banker occupation. The Ukrainian protests are organised and financed by foreign governments and NGOs who want to rape the Ukraine and enslave its people. These are two very different types of protest. All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported.

Michael Thomas

pre 10 godina

When the American public dares to challenge Wall Street robbers and protests that their futures and the futures of their children and grandchildren are being stolen by a ruthless and well-organised banking mafia, what do the American police do? Pepper spray and beat the peaceful protestors and threaten them with long-term prison sentences if they dare protest again. That is what passes for freedom in the western world today.

The Occupy Wall Street protests were a spontaneous uprising against banker occupation. The Ukrainian protests are organised and financed by foreign governments and NGOs who want to rape the Ukraine and enslave its people. These are two very different types of protest. All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported.

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

The U.S. expressed their "disgust," while the EU said it was "disappointed" that the Ukrainian police dispersed protesters from the central square in Kiev.

Indeed, truly outrageous that police would dare enforce the law of the land and defy the designs of foreign politicians and their bankster friends.
Can anyone really think of a single EU government that would tolerate groups of citizens forcibly taking over the city hall of the country's capital,physically obstructing the work of state institutions and demand the resignation of its elected government? I don’t think so.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

Looks like another failed velvet "revolution" organised by the west. Meanwhile, in the US, Greece, Spain and Turkey (i.e. NATO countries), riot police are free to violently end peaceful democratic protests and call demonstrators "terrorists" for good measure. No a bit of criticism from the US government there.

Imagine if those Ukranian protestors did the same thing in a western country. Using bulldozers on police, occupying government buildings, causing riots and destroying buildings. How would the governments of those countries react?

Did You Know?

pre 10 godina

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 December 2013 12:43)

Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.

Funny how everyone becomes 'Russian' regardless of their origins so that someone can make a point.

Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The same will happen in the U.S. The government continues to add more and more people to its entitlement programs which runs up the national debt. The U.S. will become insolvent and stop paying these programs and its dependent citizens will revert to protest as in Greece. That is when the military will be called in to regain control. Its like watching a train wreck happen in slow motion.

rote kapelle

pre 10 godina

6 out of 7 Bln. on this planet feel disgust when they hear about the US. So what ? Nothing changes and now it’s the US turn to wipe another spit off and watch that their technologies do not work as it used to be in Serbia in Kirgizstan in Georgia in Poland in Libya in Tunissia ect. After replacing Mossadiq in Iran 1953 CIA changed regimes in dozens of states. But after Russia became strong enough to support those who have will for resistance the things run not that good USA got already used to. Battle for the Ukraine is the most important news in 2013. It’s a crucial event for all Europeans no matter if they live in the prosperous Netherland or poor Bulgaria. But their brain washing machine is demoralized to launch an effective demonizing campaign. Like it was in Serbia in Syria in … in … in …

The Right Way

pre 10 godina

It is disgusting what the Ukrainian authorities are doing it. It is wrong. They should do it democratically like the US:

PEPPER SPRAY: UC Davis students 'maced' in Occupy protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIccco4PRRk

It's much more humanitarian and free.

Sreten

pre 10 godina

This is not exactly peaceful protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2ZtTNp0GQ

Yet, US is disgusted and EU disappointed...

In Toronto, Canada we see much more peaceful protest (people sitting and singing national anthem ) dispersed by police violently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQylP5i3zyg

Why wasn't US disgusted and EU disappointed?

Because their hypocrisy is disgusting and disappointing.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?
===================================

I wonder why you are reading too much into what Michael said. You don't usually twist words to make someone's post sound silly.
That is not what Michael said and you know it.

Mark

pre 10 godina

During occupy protests. Peaceful protesters where beaten with clubs, pepper sprayed in the face, had tear gas launched at them, shot at with rubber bullets. One guy (American veteran) got hit in the head with a tear gas canister and recieved brain damage. Don't believe me my friends? Check out youtube.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."

rote

pre 10 godina

DESPITE THE CONTRADICTIONS LIKE

“it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia … And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern.”

I SURRENDER ND MARK YOUR POST AS “RECOMMENDED” BECAUSE YOU WERE MORE DIPLOMATIC … AS USUAL. BUT WE BOTH JUST STEP BACK REMAINING AT THE SAME POSITIONS.

P.S. In fact I am really happy that Jeszcze Polska nie zginê³a but please leave us alone. Best if you fight for open visas to your master’s home. After so many years of truthful service you really deserve it !!!!!!

Get real

pre 10 godina

Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11
Get real why don't you, During the occupy wallstreet protests, protesters were allowed to camp out on lawns without threat, they carried their slogans chanted. When they blocked streets etc they were moved back to safe areas. I do not know of any instance of someone being THREATENED with lengthy prison sentences, and definitely you will not find anyone that received them.
When your argument is based on lies it shows you have no argument.

rote

pre 10 godina

Did You Know?

“Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.”

To be correct please mention :

STALIN was an Ossetian and the haplogramme of his grandson Burdonsky proves it 100% but his mother was a Georgian

BERIA was Mengrel type of a Georgian but his mother was a Jew.

YAGODA was a Jew.

Yagoda was a bad man but two others were both great men though not saints … Beria was the only one who deserved to replace Stalin. It was him who has poisoned Stalin. But he was the one who could make the USSR stronger. If only he had not been shot down long before his “trial” … Khrushev was a simple minded revenger to promise to show it to the west and to promise Communism to the Soviets by 1980. But he deceived both sides – neither «Кузькина мать» nor Communism.

rote

pre 10 godina

Peter Sudyka

An old anecdote for you :

During Solidarnost a Polish soldier was asked whom he will be shooting first if Warsaw Pact invades. Will it be Russians or Germans ? He said Russians as the OBLIGATIONS COME FIRST AND PLEASURE COMES NEXT. From you round about posts I can see that nothing has changed since then. Peter do not tell us how you love Russians as we already know it. But do not let hatred to switch your brains off. Poles always do it when it comes to Russia. Also forget about the Ukraine ! it was just another failure of your legionary politics targeted at us.

Your sophisticated ideas can be expressed shorter as OUT OF THE TWO MONSTERS RUSSIA IS WORSE. Do you believe you can influence Serbs to make their choice ? You may be surprised but they have brains of their own to get what you really mean for them for the Ukraine and for everything that can strengthen or weaken us. Russia is the only thing that matters for you and everybody knows it. Marsz, marsz, Dabrowski…

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

rote

Hatred is an extremely strong word. I believe distrust or suspicion fits better. And yes, it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia, but like any other coutnry on this planet, including Russia, it is sometimes difficult to be completely objective.

And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern. It is far away in the Balkans and of no real consequence to us here. I do, however, wish for them to be independent (for their own good) of other larger countries' interests, as I would for my own country. Being independent and having a foot in every major market (US, EU, Russia and China) can only be beneficial to a country (as it was for Yugoslavia under Tito). Why this stupid polarization into East-West, like after WWII? Europe is Europe and should not be split with loyalties to either Moscow, Washington or now this monster headed up by Brussels.

However, I know how Russians think, and it's actually pointless that I discuss geopolitics with you, as we know how it always ends.

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

Yanukovich is simply shooting himself in the foot. He will not maintain rule in the Ukraine unless he pulls a Lukashenka and enforces a dictatorship, where the opposition is as good as neutered.

Indeed, many in Eastern Ukraine, who rely on Russia for their businesses to function will be pro-government and pro-Customs Union, as their prices would rise 35% in Russia due to "protective measures" (I prefer to call it blackmail to keep Ukraine in limbo, but whatever, jedem das seine), but hundreds of thousands of protestors over a period of many days in Central/Western Ukraine cannot be ignored, given Ukrainian living standards are as bad as the poorest countries in the Balkans, thanks to political corruption, when the country has the potential and resources to be a European powerhouse. Admittedly, Ukraine would simply be the EU's whore (used and abused to Brussel's benefit, and sucked dry, not unlike Russia), but I dare say the prospects would be better for the youth of Ukraine, who are the future, and not the old Homo Sovieticus generation (therefore, the lesser of two evils).

The problem lies in the fact that by "joining" one of these stupid blocs would be like a disabled/unemployed person relying on handouts of bread (be it Moscow or Brussels), when it should be a strong, free nation (and it has the capacity to be so, if not for Yanukovich and his corrupt oligarchs) in control of its own destiny. They must take matters in their own hands and this is a good start.

silence is golden

pre 10 godina

(The Right Way
Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Serbs, rote kapele,who is a really rote( in albanian rote means wheel or rote can be used for someone who doesnt put his/her brain in work) and Leonidas:

70% of Ukrainas wants SAA signed.
Check the facts before you speak or comment.Putin' URSS dream,is getting shrinked every day.
Kudos to urkainian people!

Pick 'n' Choose

pre 10 godina

Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.
(silence is golden, 11 December 2013 17:13)

Eventually.

It is only one of quite a number of 'individual' incident, because the US police clearly isn't militarized or uses brutal tactics against demonstrators. Only individuals. Obviously. Nothing systematic. Just a few rotten apples. Just like no torture or war crimes. That's someone (foreign) else.

Bob

pre 10 godina

This report is out of date and wrong - the protestors were not dispersed.

Further, Ashton Serbia's true love was there talking of hte need for dialogue and the Ukrainian president has promised not to use force.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."

Get real

pre 10 godina

Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11
Get real why don't you, During the occupy wallstreet protests, protesters were allowed to camp out on lawns without threat, they carried their slogans chanted. When they blocked streets etc they were moved back to safe areas. I do not know of any instance of someone being THREATENED with lengthy prison sentences, and definitely you will not find anyone that received them.
When your argument is based on lies it shows you have no argument.

Mirel from Albania

pre 10 godina

Serbs, rote kapele,who is a really rote( in albanian rote means wheel or rote can be used for someone who doesnt put his/her brain in work) and Leonidas:

70% of Ukrainas wants SAA signed.
Check the facts before you speak or comment.Putin' URSS dream,is getting shrinked every day.
Kudos to urkainian people!

Michael Thomas

pre 10 godina

When the American public dares to challenge Wall Street robbers and protests that their futures and the futures of their children and grandchildren are being stolen by a ruthless and well-organised banking mafia, what do the American police do? Pepper spray and beat the peaceful protestors and threaten them with long-term prison sentences if they dare protest again. That is what passes for freedom in the western world today.

The Occupy Wall Street protests were a spontaneous uprising against banker occupation. The Ukrainian protests are organised and financed by foreign governments and NGOs who want to rape the Ukraine and enslave its people. These are two very different types of protest. All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported.

rote kapelle

pre 10 godina

6 out of 7 Bln. on this planet feel disgust when they hear about the US. So what ? Nothing changes and now it’s the US turn to wipe another spit off and watch that their technologies do not work as it used to be in Serbia in Kirgizstan in Georgia in Poland in Libya in Tunissia ect. After replacing Mossadiq in Iran 1953 CIA changed regimes in dozens of states. But after Russia became strong enough to support those who have will for resistance the things run not that good USA got already used to. Battle for the Ukraine is the most important news in 2013. It’s a crucial event for all Europeans no matter if they live in the prosperous Netherland or poor Bulgaria. But their brain washing machine is demoralized to launch an effective demonizing campaign. Like it was in Serbia in Syria in … in … in …

silence is golden

pre 10 godina

(The Right Way
Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

The U.S. expressed their "disgust," while the EU said it was "disappointed" that the Ukrainian police dispersed protesters from the central square in Kiev.

Indeed, truly outrageous that police would dare enforce the law of the land and defy the designs of foreign politicians and their bankster friends.
Can anyone really think of a single EU government that would tolerate groups of citizens forcibly taking over the city hall of the country's capital,physically obstructing the work of state institutions and demand the resignation of its elected government? I don’t think so.

Bob

pre 10 godina

This report is out of date and wrong - the protestors were not dispersed.

Further, Ashton Serbia's true love was there talking of hte need for dialogue and the Ukrainian president has promised not to use force.

Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The same will happen in the U.S. The government continues to add more and more people to its entitlement programs which runs up the national debt. The U.S. will become insolvent and stop paying these programs and its dependent citizens will revert to protest as in Greece. That is when the military will be called in to regain control. Its like watching a train wreck happen in slow motion.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

Looks like another failed velvet "revolution" organised by the west. Meanwhile, in the US, Greece, Spain and Turkey (i.e. NATO countries), riot police are free to violently end peaceful democratic protests and call demonstrators "terrorists" for good measure. No a bit of criticism from the US government there.

Imagine if those Ukranian protestors did the same thing in a western country. Using bulldozers on police, occupying government buildings, causing riots and destroying buildings. How would the governments of those countries react?

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

Yanukovich is simply shooting himself in the foot. He will not maintain rule in the Ukraine unless he pulls a Lukashenka and enforces a dictatorship, where the opposition is as good as neutered.

Indeed, many in Eastern Ukraine, who rely on Russia for their businesses to function will be pro-government and pro-Customs Union, as their prices would rise 35% in Russia due to "protective measures" (I prefer to call it blackmail to keep Ukraine in limbo, but whatever, jedem das seine), but hundreds of thousands of protestors over a period of many days in Central/Western Ukraine cannot be ignored, given Ukrainian living standards are as bad as the poorest countries in the Balkans, thanks to political corruption, when the country has the potential and resources to be a European powerhouse. Admittedly, Ukraine would simply be the EU's whore (used and abused to Brussel's benefit, and sucked dry, not unlike Russia), but I dare say the prospects would be better for the youth of Ukraine, who are the future, and not the old Homo Sovieticus generation (therefore, the lesser of two evils).

The problem lies in the fact that by "joining" one of these stupid blocs would be like a disabled/unemployed person relying on handouts of bread (be it Moscow or Brussels), when it should be a strong, free nation (and it has the capacity to be so, if not for Yanukovich and his corrupt oligarchs) in control of its own destiny. They must take matters in their own hands and this is a good start.

The Right Way

pre 10 godina

It is disgusting what the Ukrainian authorities are doing it. It is wrong. They should do it democratically like the US:

PEPPER SPRAY: UC Davis students 'maced' in Occupy protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIccco4PRRk

It's much more humanitarian and free.

Did You Know?

pre 10 godina

Btw, the boot licker installed by Putin as head of his new state propaganda media outlet recently compared his master with Stalin (he said something like "Putin is the most important Russian politician since Stalin..."
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 December 2013 12:43)

Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.

Funny how everyone becomes 'Russian' regardless of their origins so that someone can make a point.

Pick 'n' Choose

pre 10 godina

Did not choose to catch the part about the officers being suspended during an investigation, ie, this was not a govt operation but individuals that were held accountable. A picture is worth a 1000 words but when you add the words sometimes it takes away from the meaning of the picture.
(silence is golden, 11 December 2013 17:13)

Eventually.

It is only one of quite a number of 'individual' incident, because the US police clearly isn't militarized or uses brutal tactics against demonstrators. Only individuals. Obviously. Nothing systematic. Just a few rotten apples. Just like no torture or war crimes. That's someone (foreign) else.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

"All foreign NGOs should be thrown out of the Ukraine and foreign politicians and officials who join protests against the Ukrainian government should be deported."
(Michael Thomas, 11 December 2013 11:11)

Only deported? Why not executed? Or did you mean deported to Sibirian concentration camps, like it was done under the biggest statesman in Russia, Stalin?
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I wonder why you are reading too much into what Michael said. You don't usually twist words to make someone's post sound silly.
That is not what Michael said and you know it.

rote

pre 10 godina

Did You Know?

“Stalin was Georgian, like his chosen heads of the soviet secret police, Beria, Yagoda.”

To be correct please mention :

STALIN was an Ossetian and the haplogramme of his grandson Burdonsky proves it 100% but his mother was a Georgian

BERIA was Mengrel type of a Georgian but his mother was a Jew.

YAGODA was a Jew.

Yagoda was a bad man but two others were both great men though not saints … Beria was the only one who deserved to replace Stalin. It was him who has poisoned Stalin. But he was the one who could make the USSR stronger. If only he had not been shot down long before his “trial” … Khrushev was a simple minded revenger to promise to show it to the west and to promise Communism to the Soviets by 1980. But he deceived both sides – neither «Кузькина мать» nor Communism.

Mark

pre 10 godina

During occupy protests. Peaceful protesters where beaten with clubs, pepper sprayed in the face, had tear gas launched at them, shot at with rubber bullets. One guy (American veteran) got hit in the head with a tear gas canister and recieved brain damage. Don't believe me my friends? Check out youtube.

rote

pre 10 godina

Peter Sudyka

An old anecdote for you :

During Solidarnost a Polish soldier was asked whom he will be shooting first if Warsaw Pact invades. Will it be Russians or Germans ? He said Russians as the OBLIGATIONS COME FIRST AND PLEASURE COMES NEXT. From you round about posts I can see that nothing has changed since then. Peter do not tell us how you love Russians as we already know it. But do not let hatred to switch your brains off. Poles always do it when it comes to Russia. Also forget about the Ukraine ! it was just another failure of your legionary politics targeted at us.

Your sophisticated ideas can be expressed shorter as OUT OF THE TWO MONSTERS RUSSIA IS WORSE. Do you believe you can influence Serbs to make their choice ? You may be surprised but they have brains of their own to get what you really mean for them for the Ukraine and for everything that can strengthen or weaken us. Russia is the only thing that matters for you and everybody knows it. Marsz, marsz, Dabrowski…

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

rote

Hatred is an extremely strong word. I believe distrust or suspicion fits better. And yes, it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia, but like any other coutnry on this planet, including Russia, it is sometimes difficult to be completely objective.

And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern. It is far away in the Balkans and of no real consequence to us here. I do, however, wish for them to be independent (for their own good) of other larger countries' interests, as I would for my own country. Being independent and having a foot in every major market (US, EU, Russia and China) can only be beneficial to a country (as it was for Yugoslavia under Tito). Why this stupid polarization into East-West, like after WWII? Europe is Europe and should not be split with loyalties to either Moscow, Washington or now this monster headed up by Brussels.

However, I know how Russians think, and it's actually pointless that I discuss geopolitics with you, as we know how it always ends.

Sreten

pre 10 godina

This is not exactly peaceful protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2ZtTNp0GQ

Yet, US is disgusted and EU disappointed...

In Toronto, Canada we see much more peaceful protest (people sitting and singing national anthem ) dispersed by police violently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQylP5i3zyg

Why wasn't US disgusted and EU disappointed?

Because their hypocrisy is disgusting and disappointing.

rote

pre 10 godina

DESPITE THE CONTRADICTIONS LIKE

“it is perhaps typically Polish thinking when it comes to Russia … And Serbia is really none of Poland's concern.”

I SURRENDER ND MARK YOUR POST AS “RECOMMENDED” BECAUSE YOU WERE MORE DIPLOMATIC … AS USUAL. BUT WE BOTH JUST STEP BACK REMAINING AT THE SAME POSITIONS.

P.S. In fact I am really happy that Jeszcze Polska nie zginê³a but please leave us alone. Best if you fight for open visas to your master’s home. After so many years of truthful service you really deserve it !!!!!!