UK now "only good for travel and study" - Chinese daily

(Ian, UK, 3 December 2013 14:07)

Ya but, they do have a point don't they? The UK is in shambles and might literally break apart with the Scottish referendum. I know, I know. I am just a peasant from the Balkans, and you are a liberal democrat who not only talks down to everyone on this site, but also your own compatriots regarding the EU.

The UK's only chance of not becoming an irrelevant power of the past is to get the hell out of the EU before it's too late. And then it can truly open itself up to globalization and not tie itself to a single region, particularly a region that is fading into obscurity while the rest of the world is growing.

Or.. you can stay in the EU. See your youth unemployment rate continue to rise, see immigrants continue flocking your country and not be able to say anything about it all because of liberal political correctness. I kind of have hope for the UK, more for them than the rest of Europe anyway. You are increasingly a fringe minority in your country, you hold an extremist opinion that you are okay with 75% of your laws being made in another capital.

You know what's sad about all of this? The historically freedom loving Serbs, who have fought against any empire that have came through the Balkans are trying to join an EU that is going to destroy whatever is left of a Serbian economy. And that's all before considering the fact they still have anti-Serbian rhetoric and routinely aid organ extractors and Moslem terrorists in Pristina.

Another evasive posting from “Ian in Wongaland”.The main trust of the article is the UK cannot trade with China because it has either nothing or too little to exchange.But trade is only possible amongst countries which have goods to exchange with each other.Without factories to produce manufactured goods it won’t be too long before the working class starts dying off.Britain today is one step closer to Victorian era(only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or the empire).
As to the events surrounding the visit of Dalai Lama in London in May 2012 you attempt to give a false narrative of what really happened after the visit. All ministerial contact was suspended by China after Mr Cameron and Nick Clegg,met the Dalai Lama in London and subsequently the British sold Dalai Lama (as usual)down the river in order to get relations back on track.Its the British who came begging for those meetings not the other way round.

This is according to the right-wing Chinese nationalist newspaper The Global Times (which is ironically pro-Communist too... supposedly). They're still bitter that we used to colonise bits of China and they're bitter with David Cameron because he recently met with the Dali Lama. Cameron's meeting with the Dali Lama caused this trade delegation to be delayed, it was originally meant to happen in April but Xi Jinping has got over Cameron's meeting with the Dali Lama now.

mad Conspiracy Theorist
Ian

Of course Iam. I've been accused many times by the likes of you and other Albanians when I said Britain was a police state as described by George Orwell in his book 1984.Edward Snowden with his revelations has proved that I am not mad after all.

Back to trade with China the truth is that you've got nothing to trade with.Trade is all very well, but do you make anything? Britain has been moving from manufacturing to service for decades. How do you trade service? Does it fit into containers?And on Britain's so-called financial services sector: we saw that eggs-in-one-basket market collapse a few years ago and plunge you into the present debacle. You had no manufacturing to fall back on and sustain you, as did Germany for example.

No matter what little plebs like you are saying ,Britain is clapped out. The youth have not had a decent education for decades. The banksters have turned everyone and every business into a slave to debt repayments for a fiat currency. All your infrastructure is clapped out and whatever is left of your industry and utility companies are foreign owned. Welfare handouts provide an acceptable income for no effort. You are being 'led' by charlatans and criminals. All your institutions are traduced by Common Purpose working to a secretive agenda. Things will get worse in Broken Britain.

(Ian, UK, 3 December 2013 14:07)

The Chinese have paid the Brits a huge insult for the Dali Lama. I have never seen such an event where a foreign head of state is insulted to his face.
“Britain should recognize it is not a "big" power, but "just an old European country apt for travel and study”. This statement is sanctioned from the very top.
I suppose now we should refer to Ian, UK as “a Plastic POM”.

Ian, UK

The UK manufactures very little and most people are employed in the service sector and finance. The service sector (making sandwiches and cleaning hotel rooms) provides low skilled and poorly paid jobs. The finance sector provides relatively low-skilled but high paid jobs. For better or worse, the rest of the world are copying the financial model of the City of London and have created their own financial districts. Within a generation (perhaps sooner) the City of London will be empty and irrelevant. What then will the British working classes do to earn their keep? We are told that by 2020 another 10 million people will be in the UK. What will these 10 million immigrants, and the 10 million who are already here, do when there is no more work for them? When immigrants were a small percentage of the population they rioted and set cities ablaze. When there are 20 million disgruntled immigrants in the UK I suspect that Chinese students and tourists will find other places to study and visit.

(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:04)

The UK has nothing to offer China. The statement speaks for itself. The UK or should I say Great Britain is not a "big" power, but "just an old European country apt for travel and study". The UK’s dominance in the finance sector disappeared right after 2008.
China is not moving away from heavy industry; it’s now paying attention to reducing pollution from those industries. China will remain a manufacturing nation for a very long time. Its moving its people to buy local and so far it succeeding. With a middle class of between 300 and 350 million, what can the UK trade with China? How pay social security to an ever increasing level of unemployment and muslim refugees seeking never to work again???

I could have told you this ages ago. No one has any money in the UK, me included.

Mr cameron dont forget to remember China is the economical power house, which owns 1/2 of world economy.

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.
(John, 4 December 2013 11:03)

You should see the numbers wishing to migrate from the UK to places like Australia and other Asian countries by highly skilled professionals – they are now in record numbers. Meanwhile, the only people now wanting to get into the UK are economic refugees who only see that once in they never have to work again.

The Chinese are right.Brittanistan produces hardly anything in nowadays.
It seems the brits have lost their X factor

I don't think the Chinese are bitter about anything. It was George Osborne who had to go begging to the Chinese to buy up all Britain's crumbling nuclear power plants, which, in typically stupid British fashion, they had built incompatible with all other nuclear power technology on earth.

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.
(John, 4 December 2013 11:03)
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Yeah, people still see the UK as it used to be now as it is now.
Who is actually trying so hard to get into UK besides people from Islamic countries? How many are looking to migrate there? Do you have some numbers to show us?

This supposed 'Police State' which Edward Snowden has apparently revealed is not the sort of 'Police State' which George Orwell had in mind.

The nature of the NSA & GCHQ revelations are within the scope of the Orwellian vision.As far as I can see, from the information already released to Obama's & Cameron's continued embarrassment, the only way in which 1984 has been surpassed, is by the sheer insidious practice of being able to be tracked down wherever we go, by inbuilt GPS trackers in our mobile devices, making CCTV a fast redundant form of surveillance.

when everyone already knew there is surveillance.

No you didn't.You knew there were speed camera's on motorways or surveillance camera's in public places and shopping centres.What Snowden revealed is that virtually all phone calls and emails are filtered through their servers and most of internet search engines were handing people's personal data to the authorities.If those activities were "innocent" as you suggest Cameron wouldn've sent his police thugs to raid the premises of guardian,smash computers and take away the hard drives and the editor of Guardian wouldn't be called traitor and threatened with prosecution.

How about you tell all that to the Chinese businessmen who will be investing in our Banks

Keep dreaming.Your banks are mostly bankrupt and kept afloat with public money.The Chinese business people are not your cup of tea.

(Ari Gold, 3 December 2013 15:53)

Yes, the UK is no longer the same power as it was when it ruled a quarter of the earth's land; I agree with them on that... it is stating the bloody obvious though.

And yes, the UK will literally break up *Sarcasm* despite the support for Scottish independence within Scotland being only between 25%-35% maximum, which is nothing compared to the support for Quebecois independence during their independence referendums; I guess Kosovo really did 'set a precedent' LOL!

As to your 'Copy + Paste' rant regarding me being a pro-EU Lib-Dem and your rant as a whole on the EU; if you want a response, you can just 'Copy + Paste' it from any previous discussion we've had.

And I love the whole "I am just a peasant from the Balkans" haha. You're a WESTERNER from a Western country. You are not from the Balkans, you just want to be LOL! You're just as bad as them annoying Irish-Americans who tell people that they're Irish when they're not. In Ireland they have a name for someone who is a fake wannabe Irishman, they'll call him a 'Plastic Paddy'. You Ari Gold are a 'Plastic Serb' from the West.

(Ian, UK, 5 December 2013 10:26)

Millions of Muslims looking for an everlasting social security deal maybe but not millions of Chinese mate. Twenty years ago someone from China had to through various hoops to visit Australia, but today they have visa free entry because they have become wealthy. You don’t give visa free entry to a country if millions will look to leave. In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.

(Leonidas, 4 December 2013 20:23)

You're funny. This supposed 'Police State' which Edward Snowden has apparently revealed is not the sort of 'Police State' which George Orwell had in mind. Mad Conspiracy Theorists like yourself have taken Snowden's leaks and tried use them to justify that you were right all along when everyone already knew there is surveillance. But to call us a 'Police State', what a joke!

And as to the UK having nothing to trade. How about you tell all that to the Chinese businessmen who will be investing in our Banks and opening up Chinese banks on the British high streets which will help to further stabilise our economy. And you can tell the Chinese businessmen who will be building nuclear power stations in the UK (cheaper than what we could) to secure Britain's energy needs for the future. And as a matter of a fact, we do export goods to China. We export luxury goods which are very popular with the Chinese Middle Classes, such as cars like Aston Martin and clothing like Burberry. But I'm not really bothered about what we export to China, I'm more bothered about Chinese investments in the UK and this is what the trade delegation was all about.

And if the UK is as bad as the picture you paint, then why are the millions of Chinese immigrants trying to get into the UK illegally every year?

Another evasive posting from “Ian in Wongaland”.The main trust of the article is the UK cannot trade with China because it has either nothing or too little to exchange.But trade is only possible amongst countries which have goods to exchange with each other.Without factories to produce manufactured goods it won’t be too long before the working class starts dying off.Britain today is one step closer to Victorian era(only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or the empire).
(Leonidas, 3 December 2013 18:33)

LOL! This is 2013 Leonidas! The reason the UK wants to do more trade with China is because China's economy is moving away from heavy industry towards the Service Sector which the UK's economy is mainly made up of. The more China moves into the Service Sector, the more the UK's and China's economy compliment one another. But I won't expect some mad Conspiracy Theorist like you to know that.

This isn't medieval times Leonidas. We're not going to trade fish for spices with the Chinese LOL.

China's economy is moving away from heavy industry for the same reason the UK's economy did.

In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.
(sj, 6 December 2013 13:12)
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Brits are happy to be able to get a working visa here now. My employer is bringing in Brits on working visas here all the time and none want to go back. There is one reason why and I think we can all guess which it is.
Unfortunately this is only a drop in the ocean of what can come here but many, many more would if they could.
Chinese have made Serbia their home and that's not because Serbia is a bad place. Chinese are very clever people and they won't go where there is no life for them.

Bottom line, Brits escaping their country now and only the undesirables want to move there.

Millions of Muslims looking for an everlasting social security deal maybe but not millions of Chinese mate. Twenty years ago someone from China had to through various hoops to visit Australia, but today they have visa free entry because they have become wealthy. You don’t give visa free entry to a country if millions will look to leave. In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.
(sj, 6 December 2013 13:12)

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

You're lying again. You like making things up.

I'll tell you the truth about visa requirements for Australia. British Citizens require an eVisitor for 90 days free travel in Australia without a visa.

Chinese Passport holders require a full visa to step foot on Aussie soil.

Hong Kong and Macau SAR Passport holders have to register in advance with a fee of AUS$20.

So much for "Brits have more trouble visiting Australia" than Chinese and so much for "visa free entry" for Chinese to Australia.

Yes it is known for Brits when travelling in your part of the world to overstay their eVisitor conditions or to work illegally to help fund their travelling expenses. It also happens the other way round, it isn't uncommon for Aussies to be deported from the UK for overstay or working illegally. There are over 400,000 Aussies living legally in the UK. You just have to visit a pub or a restaurant in London and chances are you'll be served by an Aussie.

there really is nothing funnier than when people from the Balkans deride Britain for its 'poor' quality of life, education etc etc.

(Ian, UK, 7 December 2013 17:43)
Ian stick to cleaning bedpans. Now how do you know what Australia does or does not do? What you trawl the websites? I hate to disappoint you but Australia and china have signed agreements that allow visa free travel to this country provided they do not wish to stay beyond a specific time period. If they want to stay beyond 6 months then a visa is required.
Considering that China does not recognise Kosovo and would have no trade agreements signed with Pristina, pray tell us all what does Kosova export to Beijing ?– this should be a good one for a laugh.
Prior to the GFC you had many Aussies in the UK, but the latest stats point to Australians leaving because the work has dried up. Sorry to disappoint you on that front too.

(sj, 9 December 2013 10:15)

Well sj, I'd rather believe the Australian Embassy in China than you. I think they're more reliable and trust worthy than you sj.

This 'agreement' you're referring to is a 'label free' visas, not visa free. Big difference! They still need a full visa.

http://www.china.embassy.gov.au/bjng/MR120928.html

The agreement you're talking about exists in your mind only.

Nowhere on the website does it say anything about visa free travel for Chinese citizens.

http://www.china.embassy.gov.au/bjng/Visas_and_Migration.html

Australia is not going to give visa free travel to a country with over a Billion dirt poor people LOL! Chinese citizens even require a visa for transit through Australia LOL!

I hate to admit it sj, but you are wrong. But then again you are a simple minded cleaner in a Chinese Bank in Malaysia.

China signed a trade agreement with UNMIK years ago and UNMIK transfered it's powers and authorities to the Kosovo Assembly. Serbia doesn't recognise Kosovo either yet they trade with Kosovo because they think they're trading via UNMIK LOL!

(Ian, UK, 9 December 2013 12:32)


As I said before stick to cleaning bedpans mate. You contacting the Austtrlain Embassy in Bejing? Yeah and I’m Santa Clause.
I have a neighbour who is Chinese and late last year his parents came to visit and they were in Sydney for 3 months with NO VISA REQUIRED. I have family who work in the Australian Foreign Affairs and Trade department; some in Canberra and others in overseas posts.
Ian you are an idiot who is employed in the “bowels” of the UK Health system trying to pass off yourself as someone in a middle management potion. UMNIK has no agreements with China as it’s a UN body that only facilitates a peaceful and secure life for inhabitants and even if there was such an agreement it would expire the moment UMNIK transferred its powers – But I am interested to hear what does Kosovo “export “to China????

This is according to the right-wing Chinese nationalist newspaper The Global Times (which is ironically pro-Communist too... supposedly). They're still bitter that we used to colonise bits of China and they're bitter with David Cameron because he recently met with the Dali Lama. Cameron's meeting with the Dali Lama caused this trade delegation to be delayed, it was originally meant to happen in April but Xi Jinping has got over Cameron's meeting with the Dali Lama now.

(Ari Gold, 3 December 2013 15:53)

Yes, the UK is no longer the same power as it was when it ruled a quarter of the earth's land; I agree with them on that... it is stating the bloody obvious though.

And yes, the UK will literally break up *Sarcasm* despite the support for Scottish independence within Scotland being only between 25%-35% maximum, which is nothing compared to the support for Quebecois independence during their independence referendums; I guess Kosovo really did 'set a precedent' LOL!

As to your 'Copy + Paste' rant regarding me being a pro-EU Lib-Dem and your rant as a whole on the EU; if you want a response, you can just 'Copy + Paste' it from any previous discussion we've had.

And I love the whole "I am just a peasant from the Balkans" haha. You're a WESTERNER from a Western country. You are not from the Balkans, you just want to be LOL! You're just as bad as them annoying Irish-Americans who tell people that they're Irish when they're not. In Ireland they have a name for someone who is a fake wannabe Irishman, they'll call him a 'Plastic Paddy'. You Ari Gold are a 'Plastic Serb' from the West.

there really is nothing funnier than when people from the Balkans deride Britain for its 'poor' quality of life, education etc etc.

(Leonidas, 4 December 2013 20:23)

You're funny. This supposed 'Police State' which Edward Snowden has apparently revealed is not the sort of 'Police State' which George Orwell had in mind. Mad Conspiracy Theorists like yourself have taken Snowden's leaks and tried use them to justify that you were right all along when everyone already knew there is surveillance. But to call us a 'Police State', what a joke!

And as to the UK having nothing to trade. How about you tell all that to the Chinese businessmen who will be investing in our Banks and opening up Chinese banks on the British high streets which will help to further stabilise our economy. And you can tell the Chinese businessmen who will be building nuclear power stations in the UK (cheaper than what we could) to secure Britain's energy needs for the future. And as a matter of a fact, we do export goods to China. We export luxury goods which are very popular with the Chinese Middle Classes, such as cars like Aston Martin and clothing like Burberry. But I'm not really bothered about what we export to China, I'm more bothered about Chinese investments in the UK and this is what the trade delegation was all about.

And if the UK is as bad as the picture you paint, then why are the millions of Chinese immigrants trying to get into the UK illegally every year?

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.

(Ian, UK, 3 December 2013 14:07)

Ya but, they do have a point don't they? The UK is in shambles and might literally break apart with the Scottish referendum. I know, I know. I am just a peasant from the Balkans, and you are a liberal democrat who not only talks down to everyone on this site, but also your own compatriots regarding the EU.

The UK's only chance of not becoming an irrelevant power of the past is to get the hell out of the EU before it's too late. And then it can truly open itself up to globalization and not tie itself to a single region, particularly a region that is fading into obscurity while the rest of the world is growing.

Or.. you can stay in the EU. See your youth unemployment rate continue to rise, see immigrants continue flocking your country and not be able to say anything about it all because of liberal political correctness. I kind of have hope for the UK, more for them than the rest of Europe anyway. You are increasingly a fringe minority in your country, you hold an extremist opinion that you are okay with 75% of your laws being made in another capital.

You know what's sad about all of this? The historically freedom loving Serbs, who have fought against any empire that have came through the Balkans are trying to join an EU that is going to destroy whatever is left of a Serbian economy. And that's all before considering the fact they still have anti-Serbian rhetoric and routinely aid organ extractors and Moslem terrorists in Pristina.

Another evasive posting from “Ian in Wongaland”.The main trust of the article is the UK cannot trade with China because it has either nothing or too little to exchange.But trade is only possible amongst countries which have goods to exchange with each other.Without factories to produce manufactured goods it won’t be too long before the working class starts dying off.Britain today is one step closer to Victorian era(only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or the empire).
(Leonidas, 3 December 2013 18:33)

LOL! This is 2013 Leonidas! The reason the UK wants to do more trade with China is because China's economy is moving away from heavy industry towards the Service Sector which the UK's economy is mainly made up of. The more China moves into the Service Sector, the more the UK's and China's economy compliment one another. But I won't expect some mad Conspiracy Theorist like you to know that.

This isn't medieval times Leonidas. We're not going to trade fish for spices with the Chinese LOL.

China's economy is moving away from heavy industry for the same reason the UK's economy did.

The Chinese are right.Brittanistan produces hardly anything in nowadays.
It seems the brits have lost their X factor

Another evasive posting from “Ian in Wongaland”.The main trust of the article is the UK cannot trade with China because it has either nothing or too little to exchange.But trade is only possible amongst countries which have goods to exchange with each other.Without factories to produce manufactured goods it won’t be too long before the working class starts dying off.Britain today is one step closer to Victorian era(only without the do-gooders amongst the upper classes or superpower status or the empire).
As to the events surrounding the visit of Dalai Lama in London in May 2012 you attempt to give a false narrative of what really happened after the visit. All ministerial contact was suspended by China after Mr Cameron and Nick Clegg,met the Dalai Lama in London and subsequently the British sold Dalai Lama (as usual)down the river in order to get relations back on track.Its the British who came begging for those meetings not the other way round.

This supposed 'Police State' which Edward Snowden has apparently revealed is not the sort of 'Police State' which George Orwell had in mind.

The nature of the NSA & GCHQ revelations are within the scope of the Orwellian vision.As far as I can see, from the information already released to Obama's & Cameron's continued embarrassment, the only way in which 1984 has been surpassed, is by the sheer insidious practice of being able to be tracked down wherever we go, by inbuilt GPS trackers in our mobile devices, making CCTV a fast redundant form of surveillance.

when everyone already knew there is surveillance.

No you didn't.You knew there were speed camera's on motorways or surveillance camera's in public places and shopping centres.What Snowden revealed is that virtually all phone calls and emails are filtered through their servers and most of internet search engines were handing people's personal data to the authorities.If those activities were "innocent" as you suggest Cameron wouldn've sent his police thugs to raid the premises of guardian,smash computers and take away the hard drives and the editor of Guardian wouldn't be called traitor and threatened with prosecution.

How about you tell all that to the Chinese businessmen who will be investing in our Banks

Keep dreaming.Your banks are mostly bankrupt and kept afloat with public money.The Chinese business people are not your cup of tea.

I don't think the Chinese are bitter about anything. It was George Osborne who had to go begging to the Chinese to buy up all Britain's crumbling nuclear power plants, which, in typically stupid British fashion, they had built incompatible with all other nuclear power technology on earth.

(Ian, UK, 3 December 2013 14:07)

The Chinese have paid the Brits a huge insult for the Dali Lama. I have never seen such an event where a foreign head of state is insulted to his face.
“Britain should recognize it is not a "big" power, but "just an old European country apt for travel and study”. This statement is sanctioned from the very top.
I suppose now we should refer to Ian, UK as “a Plastic POM”.

mad Conspiracy Theorist
Ian

Of course Iam. I've been accused many times by the likes of you and other Albanians when I said Britain was a police state as described by George Orwell in his book 1984.Edward Snowden with his revelations has proved that I am not mad after all.

Back to trade with China the truth is that you've got nothing to trade with.Trade is all very well, but do you make anything? Britain has been moving from manufacturing to service for decades. How do you trade service? Does it fit into containers?And on Britain's so-called financial services sector: we saw that eggs-in-one-basket market collapse a few years ago and plunge you into the present debacle. You had no manufacturing to fall back on and sustain you, as did Germany for example.

No matter what little plebs like you are saying ,Britain is clapped out. The youth have not had a decent education for decades. The banksters have turned everyone and every business into a slave to debt repayments for a fiat currency. All your infrastructure is clapped out and whatever is left of your industry and utility companies are foreign owned. Welfare handouts provide an acceptable income for no effort. You are being 'led' by charlatans and criminals. All your institutions are traduced by Common Purpose working to a secretive agenda. Things will get worse in Broken Britain.

(Ian, UK, 5 December 2013 10:26)

Millions of Muslims looking for an everlasting social security deal maybe but not millions of Chinese mate. Twenty years ago someone from China had to through various hoops to visit Australia, but today they have visa free entry because they have become wealthy. You don’t give visa free entry to a country if millions will look to leave. In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.

(Ian, UK, 7 December 2013 17:43)
Ian stick to cleaning bedpans. Now how do you know what Australia does or does not do? What you trawl the websites? I hate to disappoint you but Australia and china have signed agreements that allow visa free travel to this country provided they do not wish to stay beyond a specific time period. If they want to stay beyond 6 months then a visa is required.
Considering that China does not recognise Kosovo and would have no trade agreements signed with Pristina, pray tell us all what does Kosova export to Beijing ?– this should be a good one for a laugh.
Prior to the GFC you had many Aussies in the UK, but the latest stats point to Australians leaving because the work has dried up. Sorry to disappoint you on that front too.

I could have told you this ages ago. No one has any money in the UK, me included.

Mr cameron dont forget to remember China is the economical power house, which owns 1/2 of world economy.

Ian, UK

The UK manufactures very little and most people are employed in the service sector and finance. The service sector (making sandwiches and cleaning hotel rooms) provides low skilled and poorly paid jobs. The finance sector provides relatively low-skilled but high paid jobs. For better or worse, the rest of the world are copying the financial model of the City of London and have created their own financial districts. Within a generation (perhaps sooner) the City of London will be empty and irrelevant. What then will the British working classes do to earn their keep? We are told that by 2020 another 10 million people will be in the UK. What will these 10 million immigrants, and the 10 million who are already here, do when there is no more work for them? When immigrants were a small percentage of the population they rioted and set cities ablaze. When there are 20 million disgruntled immigrants in the UK I suspect that Chinese students and tourists will find other places to study and visit.

(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:04)

The UK has nothing to offer China. The statement speaks for itself. The UK or should I say Great Britain is not a "big" power, but "just an old European country apt for travel and study". The UK’s dominance in the finance sector disappeared right after 2008.
China is not moving away from heavy industry; it’s now paying attention to reducing pollution from those industries. China will remain a manufacturing nation for a very long time. Its moving its people to buy local and so far it succeeding. With a middle class of between 300 and 350 million, what can the UK trade with China? How pay social security to an ever increasing level of unemployment and muslim refugees seeking never to work again???

Millions of Muslims looking for an everlasting social security deal maybe but not millions of Chinese mate. Twenty years ago someone from China had to through various hoops to visit Australia, but today they have visa free entry because they have become wealthy. You don’t give visa free entry to a country if millions will look to leave. In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.
(sj, 6 December 2013 13:12)

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

You're lying again. You like making things up.

I'll tell you the truth about visa requirements for Australia. British Citizens require an eVisitor for 90 days free travel in Australia without a visa.

Chinese Passport holders require a full visa to step foot on Aussie soil.

Hong Kong and Macau SAR Passport holders have to register in advance with a fee of AUS$20.

So much for "Brits have more trouble visiting Australia" than Chinese and so much for "visa free entry" for Chinese to Australia.

Yes it is known for Brits when travelling in your part of the world to overstay their eVisitor conditions or to work illegally to help fund their travelling expenses. It also happens the other way round, it isn't uncommon for Aussies to be deported from the UK for overstay or working illegally. There are over 400,000 Aussies living legally in the UK. You just have to visit a pub or a restaurant in London and chances are you'll be served by an Aussie.

(Ian, UK, 9 December 2013 12:32)


As I said before stick to cleaning bedpans mate. You contacting the Austtrlain Embassy in Bejing? Yeah and I’m Santa Clause.
I have a neighbour who is Chinese and late last year his parents came to visit and they were in Sydney for 3 months with NO VISA REQUIRED. I have family who work in the Australian Foreign Affairs and Trade department; some in Canberra and others in overseas posts.
Ian you are an idiot who is employed in the “bowels” of the UK Health system trying to pass off yourself as someone in a middle management potion. UMNIK has no agreements with China as it’s a UN body that only facilitates a peaceful and secure life for inhabitants and even if there was such an agreement it would expire the moment UMNIK transferred its powers – But I am interested to hear what does Kosovo “export “to China????

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.
(John, 4 December 2013 11:03)
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Yeah, people still see the UK as it used to be now as it is now.
Who is actually trying so hard to get into UK besides people from Islamic countries? How many are looking to migrate there? Do you have some numbers to show us?

This article doesn't mean anything, what I will say is....Look at the applications for visas into Britain. Then look at the queues to get into Serbia.
Bitter people wishing ill on others.
(John, 4 December 2013 11:03)

You should see the numbers wishing to migrate from the UK to places like Australia and other Asian countries by highly skilled professionals – they are now in record numbers. Meanwhile, the only people now wanting to get into the UK are economic refugees who only see that once in they never have to work again.

In fact the Brits have more trouble visiting Australia for fear of overstaying or becoming illegal immigrants than the Chinese.
(sj, 6 December 2013 13:12)
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Brits are happy to be able to get a working visa here now. My employer is bringing in Brits on working visas here all the time and none want to go back. There is one reason why and I think we can all guess which it is.
Unfortunately this is only a drop in the ocean of what can come here but many, many more would if they could.
Chinese have made Serbia their home and that's not because Serbia is a bad place. Chinese are very clever people and they won't go where there is no life for them.

Bottom line, Brits escaping their country now and only the undesirables want to move there.

(sj, 9 December 2013 10:15)

Well sj, I'd rather believe the Australian Embassy in China than you. I think they're more reliable and trust worthy than you sj.

This 'agreement' you're referring to is a 'label free' visas, not visa free. Big difference! They still need a full visa.

http://www.china.embassy.gov.au/bjng/MR120928.html

The agreement you're talking about exists in your mind only.

Nowhere on the website does it say anything about visa free travel for Chinese citizens.

http://www.china.embassy.gov.au/bjng/Visas_and_Migration.html

Australia is not going to give visa free travel to a country with over a Billion dirt poor people LOL! Chinese citizens even require a visa for transit through Australia LOL!

I hate to admit it sj, but you are wrong. But then again you are a simple minded cleaner in a Chinese Bank in Malaysia.

China signed a trade agreement with UNMIK years ago and UNMIK transfered it's powers and authorities to the Kosovo Assembly. Serbia doesn't recognise Kosovo either yet they trade with Kosovo because they think they're trading via UNMIK LOL!