Former Bosnian official sentenced to 12 years

This is a shameful verdict for one of the biggest crimes in Bosnia. Shoot at column of soldiers, who on average have just over 22 years, which is quietly withdrawing from Tuzla is monstrous.

as usual, Milosevic media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians. and that it did very well, with most of the Serbian commanders going free. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Tuzla. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??
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How lonng will you allow verbal diarrhoea to come out of your mouth is a better question.
These soldiers were UNARMED and were being exchanged.
Serbs kept their end of the bargain but the Muslims did not and slaughtered innocent people.
They were not on their way to bomb anyone. They were UNARMED. How many times do you need to hear that?
Then again, you are so filled with hate and bias that you couldn't see the truth if it smacked you in the face.

"The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians"

Wrong Roberto. Most of the dead were military, and the UN even caught the Bosnian Muslims provoking and staging attacks against their own civilians and UN members. The M.O. of the Bosnian Muslim forces (the largest by far within Bosnia-Herzegovina) was to get the Serbs demonized.

The UN also faulted the Sarajevo government for interfering with the utilities more than the fighting itself and also for diverting all the food the UN was sending in.
The UN traced the food going to the army and the black market in Sarajevo, but 60% it couldn't trace and the UN believed the Sarajevo government was STOCKPILING all that food.

So the Bosnian Muslim government purposely diverted food from the civilians to increase the suffering to sell the war and demonize the Serbs.
The also were known by the UN to use mobile mortars to shoot at the Serbs then move out of the way before Serbs could mortar back. The Serbs were in FIXED positions, while the Bosnian Muslims took advantage of great mobility which even impressed the UN military men.

Serbs were falsely blamed for many crimes perpetrated by the Bosnian Muslim army, which were, as the Tuzla and Sarajevo attacks on the retreated Yugoslav forces proves, were much more armed at the beginning than the media presented.

Roberto, you're asking for punishment and reparations - quick history lesson for you: After WW1 the Germans were massively punished, both legally and financially. All that did was give a platform for Hitler to rise.

Try looking at South Africa, where the truth and reconciliation commission dealt with the bloodshed and destruction aparteid by bringing people together to talk about it. Making the public of all groups aware of what happened and why has been so much more succesful.

I know you won't be happy until an H Bomb is dropped on Belgrade, but it's not exactly productive.

A basic question is, if the attack on the column is not a war crime as argued in some quarters, then why do these same people refuse to take credit and claim they don't know who gave the orders?

Based on the many atrocities committed by the croats, bosnians and albanians during the world war 2, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have tried to yet again cleanse the serbian population of croatia, bosnia and kosovo, if serbians did not attack first. If I was in a similar situation as a serbian, I would have done the same thing and preemptively struck the enemy (like the states does).
is there any realist(ic) difference?

as usual, Milosevic media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians. and that it did very well, with most of the Serbian commanders going free. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Tuzla. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??

Roberto frisco

as usual, frisco bob has forgotten to look in his own backyard.
as usual manifest destiny media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Amirican army had one job to do - kill and murder (iraqi and afghani) civilians. and that it did very well, with all of the American commanders going free, or unquestioned at all. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Baghdad or Kabul. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??

I know you won't be happy until an H Bomb is dropped on Belgrade, but it's not exactly productive.
(Andy UK, 3 December 2013 1
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Or fair.
Enough was dropped on Belgrade already. How about we drop one on Zagreb and Sarajevo too?

You do realise the Siege of Sarajevo was the longest Siege in modern history, it was even longer than the Siege of Leningrad.

(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:06)

Ah, yes the hoary old trope 'The Siege of Sarajevo'.

That would be a Siege where the UN had control of both Mt. Igman and Bjelasnica from late 1993 and both were declared a demilitarized zone (the ArBih ignored this on multiple occasions)? Maybe they all missed the many aid convoys run in to Sarajevo by the ICRC and other groups escorted by UNPROFOR.

Just like Stalingrad and Leningrad where the Germans let in aid convoys and airlifted relief and had given up territory to become demilitarized zones? What a great and intelligent comparison that has passed in to folklore. The power of pure propaganda, Goebbels style.

Old BS repeated over and over again, is still old BS. Google 'siege of sarajevo' and see how many returned results mention Igman or Bjelasnica.

Based on the many atrocities committed by the Serbs during the war, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have sniped and bombed the civilian population of Tuzla the very next day if Ilija Jurisic did not to attack the convoy. If I was in a similar situation as Mr. Jurisic, I would have done the same thing. Good luck on the appeal and let’s hope for a favorable ruling.
(Realist, 3 December 2013 15:47)

You mean based on prejudice. No proof needed then. Throw habeas corpus out the windows. Guilty as charged! No trial needed!

It doesn't apply to you either then. Except when you want it too. Hypocrite.

Or fair.
Enough was dropped on Belgrade already. How about we drop one on Zagreb and Sarajevo too?
(Peggy, 3 December 2013 20:49)

I'm pretty sure enough was dropped on Sarajevo. You do realise the Siege of Sarajevo was the longest Siege in modern history, it was even longer than the Siege of Leningrad.

And I'm sure enough has been dropped on Croatian soil too, just at the Battle of Vukovar alone!

I am a Serb. I will make no appology for it and I am proud of it. If someone wants to dismiss what I have to say because of that, that is fine with me. But just know as an individual I have no hate for any nation. I don't have an enemies, and I appologize to anyone I have ever wounded or offended.


We should mourn all the innocent lives destroyed in all the wars without preference or regard to nation or religion. If the purpose of a trial is to bring an individual to justice and all people do is use it to put a black mark on another people, than we are missing the point of the trial. If the purpose of the trial is to smear a nation, than we are missing the point of justice.


The most important thing that I want anyone who was kind enough to read this to consider, even if they disagree with everything I say, is that a person must be held accountable for his own actions, but not for someone elses.

For many years when I was visiting Bosnia, during the past years, ppl would talk about the war, talk about the genocide - and so many would assure me: it wlll happen again here. 10 years, 20 years, but it will happen again. They will do it again... i felt sorry for them, but i thought they were a bit "crazy", traumatized, etc. How could such a thing ever happen again?

I don't question it any more. there is no acceptance by serbia of what happened in bosnia (much less kosova) - they admit to some kind of "civil war" but there is no understanding of the genocide, of serbia's very crucial role in it. from all of the mixed rulings in the Hague, most serbs have decided they were "innocent' after all. it is very bizarre and morally bankrupt, but there you go.

we've said it numerous times - denazification was a necessity, but it never happened. serbia was forced to give up a handful of men, many of whom were later freed - and that was it. no genocide verdicts. no reparations. barely a few changes at the top.

it was a terrible mistake and the world will be the worse for it. no moral position anywhere, except from a handful of human rights advocates. just rationalizations, projection, justification. and yr media pushes it all, non stop.

and THat's what's about to enter the EU?? how very sick...

roberto frisco

And I'm sure enough has been dropped on Croatian soil too, just at the Battle of Vukovar alone!
(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:06)
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Refresh my memory, which airforce was bombing bridges, schools and trains in Vukovar?

Based on the many atrocities committed by the Serbs during the war, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have sniped and bombed the civilian population of Tuzla the very next day if Ilija Jurisic did not to attack the convoy. If I was in a similar situation as Mr. Jurisic, I would have done the same thing. Good luck on the appeal and let’s hope for a favorable ruling.

as usual, Milosevic media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians. and that it did very well, with most of the Serbian commanders going free. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Tuzla. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??

Roberto frisco

For many years when I was visiting Bosnia, during the past years, ppl would talk about the war, talk about the genocide - and so many would assure me: it wlll happen again here. 10 years, 20 years, but it will happen again. They will do it again... i felt sorry for them, but i thought they were a bit "crazy", traumatized, etc. How could such a thing ever happen again?

I don't question it any more. there is no acceptance by serbia of what happened in bosnia (much less kosova) - they admit to some kind of "civil war" but there is no understanding of the genocide, of serbia's very crucial role in it. from all of the mixed rulings in the Hague, most serbs have decided they were "innocent' after all. it is very bizarre and morally bankrupt, but there you go.

we've said it numerous times - denazification was a necessity, but it never happened. serbia was forced to give up a handful of men, many of whom were later freed - and that was it. no genocide verdicts. no reparations. barely a few changes at the top.

it was a terrible mistake and the world will be the worse for it. no moral position anywhere, except from a handful of human rights advocates. just rationalizations, projection, justification. and yr media pushes it all, non stop.

and THat's what's about to enter the EU?? how very sick...

roberto frisco

Based on the many atrocities committed by the Serbs during the war, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have sniped and bombed the civilian population of Tuzla the very next day if Ilija Jurisic did not to attack the convoy. If I was in a similar situation as Mr. Jurisic, I would have done the same thing. Good luck on the appeal and let’s hope for a favorable ruling.

Or fair.
Enough was dropped on Belgrade already. How about we drop one on Zagreb and Sarajevo too?
(Peggy, 3 December 2013 20:49)

I'm pretty sure enough was dropped on Sarajevo. You do realise the Siege of Sarajevo was the longest Siege in modern history, it was even longer than the Siege of Leningrad.

And I'm sure enough has been dropped on Croatian soil too, just at the Battle of Vukovar alone!

as usual, Milosevic media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians. and that it did very well, with most of the Serbian commanders going free. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Tuzla. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??
==============================

How lonng will you allow verbal diarrhoea to come out of your mouth is a better question.
These soldiers were UNARMED and were being exchanged.
Serbs kept their end of the bargain but the Muslims did not and slaughtered innocent people.
They were not on their way to bomb anyone. They were UNARMED. How many times do you need to hear that?
Then again, you are so filled with hate and bias that you couldn't see the truth if it smacked you in the face.

"The Serbian "Bosnian" army had one job to do - kill and murder (bosniak) civilians"

Wrong Roberto. Most of the dead were military, and the UN even caught the Bosnian Muslims provoking and staging attacks against their own civilians and UN members. The M.O. of the Bosnian Muslim forces (the largest by far within Bosnia-Herzegovina) was to get the Serbs demonized.

The UN also faulted the Sarajevo government for interfering with the utilities more than the fighting itself and also for diverting all the food the UN was sending in.
The UN traced the food going to the army and the black market in Sarajevo, but 60% it couldn't trace and the UN believed the Sarajevo government was STOCKPILING all that food.

So the Bosnian Muslim government purposely diverted food from the civilians to increase the suffering to sell the war and demonize the Serbs.
The also were known by the UN to use mobile mortars to shoot at the Serbs then move out of the way before Serbs could mortar back. The Serbs were in FIXED positions, while the Bosnian Muslims took advantage of great mobility which even impressed the UN military men.

Serbs were falsely blamed for many crimes perpetrated by the Bosnian Muslim army, which were, as the Tuzla and Sarajevo attacks on the retreated Yugoslav forces proves, were much more armed at the beginning than the media presented.

This is a shameful verdict for one of the biggest crimes in Bosnia. Shoot at column of soldiers, who on average have just over 22 years, which is quietly withdrawing from Tuzla is monstrous.

Roberto, you're asking for punishment and reparations - quick history lesson for you: After WW1 the Germans were massively punished, both legally and financially. All that did was give a platform for Hitler to rise.

Try looking at South Africa, where the truth and reconciliation commission dealt with the bloodshed and destruction aparteid by bringing people together to talk about it. Making the public of all groups aware of what happened and why has been so much more succesful.

I know you won't be happy until an H Bomb is dropped on Belgrade, but it's not exactly productive.

as usual, frisco bob has forgotten to look in his own backyard.
as usual manifest destiny media tells a part of the story, and gets it wrong. The Amirican army had one job to do - kill and murder (iraqi and afghani) civilians. and that it did very well, with all of the American commanders going free, or unquestioned at all. I don't blame every individual soldier, but they were off to bombard civilians in Baghdad or Kabul. how long will yr media try to cover up the genocides??

Based on the many atrocities committed by the croats, bosnians and albanians during the world war 2, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have tried to yet again cleanse the serbian population of croatia, bosnia and kosovo, if serbians did not attack first. If I was in a similar situation as a serbian, I would have done the same thing and preemptively struck the enemy (like the states does).
is there any realist(ic) difference?

I know you won't be happy until an H Bomb is dropped on Belgrade, but it's not exactly productive.
(Andy UK, 3 December 2013 1
=================================
Or fair.
Enough was dropped on Belgrade already. How about we drop one on Zagreb and Sarajevo too?

You do realise the Siege of Sarajevo was the longest Siege in modern history, it was even longer than the Siege of Leningrad.

(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:06)

Ah, yes the hoary old trope 'The Siege of Sarajevo'.

That would be a Siege where the UN had control of both Mt. Igman and Bjelasnica from late 1993 and both were declared a demilitarized zone (the ArBih ignored this on multiple occasions)? Maybe they all missed the many aid convoys run in to Sarajevo by the ICRC and other groups escorted by UNPROFOR.

Just like Stalingrad and Leningrad where the Germans let in aid convoys and airlifted relief and had given up territory to become demilitarized zones? What a great and intelligent comparison that has passed in to folklore. The power of pure propaganda, Goebbels style.

Old BS repeated over and over again, is still old BS. Google 'siege of sarajevo' and see how many returned results mention Igman or Bjelasnica.

A basic question is, if the attack on the column is not a war crime as argued in some quarters, then why do these same people refuse to take credit and claim they don't know who gave the orders?

Based on the many atrocities committed by the Serbs during the war, I think it is safe to assume that these "innocent soldiers" would have sniped and bombed the civilian population of Tuzla the very next day if Ilija Jurisic did not to attack the convoy. If I was in a similar situation as Mr. Jurisic, I would have done the same thing. Good luck on the appeal and let’s hope for a favorable ruling.
(Realist, 3 December 2013 15:47)

You mean based on prejudice. No proof needed then. Throw habeas corpus out the windows. Guilty as charged! No trial needed!

It doesn't apply to you either then. Except when you want it too. Hypocrite.

I am a Serb. I will make no appology for it and I am proud of it. If someone wants to dismiss what I have to say because of that, that is fine with me. But just know as an individual I have no hate for any nation. I don't have an enemies, and I appologize to anyone I have ever wounded or offended.


We should mourn all the innocent lives destroyed in all the wars without preference or regard to nation or religion. If the purpose of a trial is to bring an individual to justice and all people do is use it to put a black mark on another people, than we are missing the point of the trial. If the purpose of the trial is to smear a nation, than we are missing the point of justice.


The most important thing that I want anyone who was kind enough to read this to consider, even if they disagree with everything I say, is that a person must be held accountable for his own actions, but not for someone elses.

And I'm sure enough has been dropped on Croatian soil too, just at the Battle of Vukovar alone!
(Ian, UK, 4 December 2013 08:06)
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Refresh my memory, which airforce was bombing bridges, schools and trains in Vukovar?