Kosovo will not become a member of the United Nations, the Priština-based Albanian language daily Tribuna is quoting unnamed diplomatic sources as saying.
(just wondering, 3 December 2013 05:24)
I don’t give flying toss about your Albanians – most are thieves and drug dealers who fill EU prisons.
I visit Serbia very regularly by airplane – you know the big silver birdy in the sky that carries people from one place to another.
If they opened up the doors to Kosovo there would not be an Albanian left. The 20 I mentioned is only one example; there are many others. For a people that were so oppressed by Serbs you dont mind working with Serbs – is there something wrong here? Or do your people need help???
Better than washing out bed pans in the British Health system and claiming to be a Celtic Albanian analyst.
(sj, 3 December 2013 00:03)
Bed pans? LOL This is 2013. You are really ignorant! Most patients use normal toilets. Some use a commode at the side of the bed. Urinary catheterisation is used in the rest of cases. The only time I'm aware of bed pans being used is post-operatively after surgery when the patient needs to open their bowels. Bed pads are used in the rest of cases particularly in Elderly, Oncology & Stroke Wards as many of these patients don't know when their bowels are going to open anyway.
I'm not an analyst, nor have I ever claimed to be; I work in patient experience.
You're so ignorant, you don't even know what is meant by the term "Celtic".
These fantasies that you love sharing with us, have you ever waked up in the middle of the night having hot sweats after dreaming about these fantasies thinking that they had come true? Did you feel sad once you realised your fantasies weren't real? I'd say do you feel embarrassed about it, but I'm guessing you don't share your bed with a woman. I reckon you sleep on your own, unless you pay for a woman in Malaysia to love you long time!
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56
Even if someone believed you were there to witness this event, so what? 20 Albanians is not exactly a flood, and all the news is that Serbia has turned into some type of Utopia, are you saying that is not true, that the oppression of Albanians is still prevalent in Serbia today? What message is it you are trying to communicate here. Wow, for someone who born and raised in Australia and works in the international banking industry, you sure do claim to know a lot of day to day life on the streets of Serbia. Could it be that one of your lives is pretend?
Many people take jobs they prefer not to as the first priority is to feed the family, where is the shame in that?
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56)
Someone really needs to get a life. I think it is rather sad of you to be posting your fantasies on here.
(Nikolle, 29 November 2013 09:41)
Of course it my imagination. The funniest part is these Albos spoke perfect Serbian, but our brothers from Kosovo living in Kragujevac can smell Albanian stench from a mile away. Actually, the Albos were taken by police just in time otherwise they would have disappeared for ever. What a pity.
Then why post if it’s my imagination as work is in plentifully supply in Kosovo where the streets of Pristina are paved in gold and you have a statue there of Bill Clinton with his pants around his ankles and Monica kneeling in homage in front of Bill.
You spend a lot of time on a Serbia based media website trying to tell your story. Try it on your Albo media, if you even have one.
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
(Brandon, 29 November 2013 05:28)
You obviously have not been paying attention to the analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj. America and the West (and everybody who has and will recognize Kosovo) has run out of money and cannot support Kosovo or feed 2M Kosovars. So the only salvation for the 2M Kosovars is Serbia with its unparalleled economic power. So nobody is saying that anybody will be removed from Kosovo. Per Serbia's Citizenship Law, all Kosovars are Serb citizens if they were born in Kosovo, because according to Serbia's Constitution, Kosovo is Serbia.
A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Serbia.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
(PEN, 27 November 2013 17:36)
Thank you for describing Serbia that well. Let us know when do you think the Zemun clan will kill your next Prime Minister.
"However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania. "
Its only ever going to be a fantasy of your sj, its never going to happen. as for you seeing Albanians seeking work in Serbia....again, your imagination is getting the better of you.
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
Three million. Wow this number grows by the week. However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania.
The problem is that the Albanians in Kosovo don’t want anything to do with Serbs but these same people are more than happy to go to Serbia proper to seek employment (I was in Kragujevac in June this year and about 20 Albanians came to Zastava seeking work. Naturally they were all sent back to Kosovo).
Funny how these people claim all horrible things were done by the Serbs but they have no problems working for or with Serbs. Either your lot is telling porkpies or they need psychiatric help.
Taiwan did not declare independence. Taiwan sees itself as representing the whole of China.
Having said that, Kosovo is of course a province of Serbski and should not join UNO ..
For you delusional Albanians who consider this story as not credible because of it having an unarmed source. May I point out that it appeared in an Albanian publication
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 November 2013 14:23)
Yes, the Serbian Monasteries in Kosovo are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. However UNESCO didn't give them World Heritage Status, Serbia and Montenegro did as a UNESCO member designated them as World Heritage Sites in 2004 as well as the Sar/ Sharr Mountains national park in 2002. However if Kosovo becomes a UNESCO in the near future, it'll be for Kosovo to decide what is designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Kosovo.
Yes some of the ancient monasteries were damaged/ destroyed in the 2004 riots and it was wrong, I completely condemn it and fully support the restoration of the monasteries which can be salvaged for cultural purposes. I can help but think that they won't have been target in 2004 if half of the Mosques in Kosovo weren't damaged/ destroyed in 1998-9.
"But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community."
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2013 00:18)
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
(Demi, 28 November 2013 09:34)
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LOL! It is probably the last time I'll say this but Nikolic will recognise "Kosovahh"* in about a years time. I'll leave it at that.
Now Demi, in your mind, Serbia will finally be able to enjoy the standards of a "country" like "Kosovahh"* and resist the backwardness of Russia and the Ukraine.
Ari Gold,
After your much awaited Geo-Political change takes places, what will you do with about 3 million or more Albanians in Kosovo ( at that time)? They clearly want nothing to do with Serbia. How does the demographics factors, in the notion that time is on Serbia's side?
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
When Serbia recognizes Kosova for the sake of EU membership then Russia has no reason to veto Kosovas membership to UN.
If Serbia choose to be an Russian pupet state and resfuse to enter EU/Nato it will be without Vojvodina and Sandzak. ( this wont happend since it's suicide of a state)
This is the clear picture folks. Everybody knowes it!
Kosovo's politicians are pathetic, hopeless, useless, incompetent and experienced twits (replace the I with an A in twits). Anyway they've already announced that they'll apply to join several UN specialised agencies/ organisations in the new year. However I don't know if UNESCO will be one of them for the time being because the US (and Israel) has lost their voting rights in UNESCO after refusing to pay their fees due to Palestine's membership. Kosovo will probably wait until the US regains their voting rights.
Hadrian's Wall in the UK was built by the Romans yet that is still a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Yes a lot of the ancient monasteries were built by Serbs, some by Bulgarians too. And there are many old ancient buildings from Ottoman as well as Serb occupation. But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community.
There's no way that Serbia will ever allow to Kosovo illegal institution of the UN. Because the UN does have a number of states that have not recognized Kosovo's independence, and a couple of world powers (Russia, China, Brazil, India ...) have not and will not recognize Kosovo.
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2013 17:43)
Northern Cyprus and South Ossetia would sell their souls to the devil to be in the same situation as Kosovo.
Instead Northern Cyprus is a de facto autonomous part of the Republic of Turkey and South Ossetia is a de facto Russian Oblast.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
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It's not Serbia that is keeping you out of UN but Russia and China. They are not waiting to get into EU so what's holding them back? Maybe Taiwan?
Anyway, by the time EU is ready to admit Serbia to the club, Serbia would've become a member of another organisation headed by Russia.
Don't hold your breath.
Ari Gold
YOu are mistaken on many fronts. Kostunica never suggested the "More than autonomy less than independence" That phrase never was suggested until talks had ended completely and then the Serbian govt tried to cut western support by saying they would agree to that but no one ever defined what that actually meant.
The recognition of the community of serbs is strictly out of the Ahtissaari playbook for Kosovo independence, it was agreed to by Pristina in 2008 when they declared independence under the A-plan, but was totally unacceptable for Belgrade until they were told they had to play by the rules or forget the EU.
As far as the person that said time is on Serbia's side-true that is all you have is time, as for a reunification of Kosovo to Serbia-won't happen in anyone here's lifetime, but who knows what the distant future will bring, chances are that Kosovo and Serbia will eventually be a part of the same group whether it is the EU or some future entity but not as a united Serbia.
the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
(roberto, 27 November 2013 20:11)
no roberto. the real issue is why you still come here thinking you have any point worth considering when your views and opinions are so skewed no one other than rabid albanian nationalists defend you. ovo je pravo pitanje.
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
Well what are they waiting for then? They sure are taking their sweet time applying. The biggest LOL is anything UNESCO related in Kosovo i Metohija are Serbian Monasteries and other things built by Serbs. Obviously because people can be ethnically cleansed but unless all the oldest building in Kosovo i Metohija are destroyed, they stand as proof that the territory is Serbian.
Maybe they haven't applied yet because they are embarrassed with the fact that they don't have a history of their own in Kosovo i Metohija.
Check the facts before you talk. As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Thanks, Mirel, as always. We will see Kosova as a UN member before Serbia becomes an EU member, that is clear. Meanwhile, maybe we should consider suspending Serbia's UN membership ;)
As I've said many times, the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
"Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo."
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Yes, please check the facts.
1. Serbia doesn't have to do anything to join the EU (except for the fact that Serbia will join without the territory of Kosovo, of course).
2. UN membership of Kosovo doesn't depend at all on Serbia, in case you don't know. It's Russia and China who will veto a membership request coming from a an ethnic minority who unilaterally created an independent state on the territory of a recognized UN member.
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
It's not a 1:1 comparison. Palestine as a member of UNESCO gives it authority to speak on behalf of and defend what it regards as "Palestinian" cultural heritage. Much of Kosovo's cultural heritage is Serbian and will be defended by Serbia against repeated attempts at relabeling it "Kosovan". If and when Kosovo gets into the UN via back door channels like UNESCO, it will be much more limited in what it can claim through UNESCO. Palestine can lay claims to things in the West Bank, but it still is challenged by Israel over Jerusalem.
The monasteries will remain Serbian. Kosovo can claim Hotel Victoria and the Clinton statue as its cultural heritage. No one will compete for those :)
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China."
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
...Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......(steff, 27 November 2013 15:39)
Have you been sleeping?
Kosovo has been recognised by 106 out of 192 countries.Make the math, is more than 50% of the UN countries.
... As of 26 September 2013, the Republic of Kosovo has received 108 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 106 out of 193 (54.9%) United Nations (UN) member states, 23 out of 28 (82%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 35 out of 57 (61%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo...
Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
Great news, it gives the Albanian political leaders in Kosovo more room when it comes to the question of independence i the eyes of its people, hopefully Kosovo will be independent in the eyes of the Albanians -independent in everything but name and part of Serbia in the eyes of the Serbs and officially on paper, no one loses face. More than autonomy and less than independence.
But has Albanian run 'Kosova' recognised itself for what it really is. A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Kosova.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
The authorities there have been told to give up on that goal "in this phase of the dialogue with Belgrade," the daily said, and added that this was interpreted as "a painful compromise" for Priština.
and, which daily is that??? ops, Tanjug is keeping a lid on top secret info!!! What a joke this news report is.
@Ari Gold
I always thought you are an educated man/woman!
"Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change."
why, what'll happen then? you need to get rid of your fascist tendencies dude, its not good for you.
as for this piece, as soon as an article begins with unnamed or unknown source, i know not to take that article seriously
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
(Caveman's Club, 27 November 2013 15:50)
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
You can go claim your identity and culture from where you came from ---> from the mountatins around black sea. That is your origin and stop writing nonsense.
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China." Well whoever said that, is obviously an illiterate goof with no basic understanding of history. Taiwan was a member of UN long before China replaced her!!
Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......we should align and act as one, there should be much more success for Serbia if we lack opinions and parties who work directly or indirectly for Kosovo interests.
This is indeed funny, I have met people from Taiwan before. Never did they say I am from Taiwan-China lol. They only say Taiwan because they are independent from China. Vice versa... Albanians from Kosova never say I am from Kosov-Serbia. We usually say Kosova and Albania. Simply because we are Albanians, and it is the European biased politicians who helped Serbia get control of Kosova. As we all seen and lived through the 90s no need to explain it, it is self explanatory. Kosova is once again reunited with her mother Albania, and it will remain this way for good.
Serbia might as well give up on trying to confuse everyone else, we Albanians from Kosova have our own identity. Culturally, traditionally, linguistically, and historically only Albania can claim Kosova. No one else can, especially Serbia.
As far as UN goes, we have a voice that represents us in UN. We have our Albanian brothers from Albania. UN is not the path to heaven for gods sake
Serbia gets a kick out of this situation, which leads me to believe Serbia has nothing else to do. They have too many problems with their neighbors, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova. We can't all be wrong and Serbia right no sir. Serbia is daydreaming about the future. I suggest Serbia minds its own business, and improves itself rather than worrying about others as much as they do.
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
I am starting to think maybe the "normalization" process is not entirely a bad thing after all. One thing that's unacceptable is Serbian leaders meeting with the self-declared gov't in Pristina on a equal basis. That is unforgivable and history will judge Dacic and the rest for this.
That being said, the agreement realizes an internationally recognized Serbian community of Municipalities, which other ethnic minorities like the Gorani in the south can take part of since they view Kosovo i Metohija as Serbian too. This internationally guarantees (at least on paper) that the last remaining Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija cannot be ethnically cleansed anymore by savage Moslem extremists.
In turn, Pristina does not get its UN seat and therefore is not a real country. Basically what the agreement recognizes is the Pristina gov't is the legitimate gov't for Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija, but not a sovereign one.
Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change.
This isn't news. We all knew this anyway. Kosovo will be applying to join several more UN related organisations/ specialised agencies in the new year also under the name "Republic of Kosovo" where 2/3 vote majority is required to join such as UNESCO, UNICEF, International Telecommunication Union, World Health Organisation ect. But I don't think anyone seriously expected Kosovo to get full UN membership at this moment in time. Kosovo will go for Observer status in the UN General Assembly first as that can't be vetoed.
I am starting to think maybe the "normalization" process is not entirely a bad thing after all. One thing that's unacceptable is Serbian leaders meeting with the self-declared gov't in Pristina on a equal basis. That is unforgivable and history will judge Dacic and the rest for this.
That being said, the agreement realizes an internationally recognized Serbian community of Municipalities, which other ethnic minorities like the Gorani in the south can take part of since they view Kosovo i Metohija as Serbian too. This internationally guarantees (at least on paper) that the last remaining Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija cannot be ethnically cleansed anymore by savage Moslem extremists.
In turn, Pristina does not get its UN seat and therefore is not a real country. Basically what the agreement recognizes is the Pristina gov't is the legitimate gov't for Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija, but not a sovereign one.
Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change.
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
...Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......(steff, 27 November 2013 15:39)
Have you been sleeping?
Kosovo has been recognised by 106 out of 192 countries.Make the math, is more than 50% of the UN countries.
... As of 26 September 2013, the Republic of Kosovo has received 108 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 106 out of 193 (54.9%) United Nations (UN) member states, 23 out of 28 (82%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 35 out of 57 (61%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo...
Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China." Well whoever said that, is obviously an illiterate goof with no basic understanding of history. Taiwan was a member of UN long before China replaced her!!
This is indeed funny, I have met people from Taiwan before. Never did they say I am from Taiwan-China lol. They only say Taiwan because they are independent from China. Vice versa... Albanians from Kosova never say I am from Kosov-Serbia. We usually say Kosova and Albania. Simply because we are Albanians, and it is the European biased politicians who helped Serbia get control of Kosova. As we all seen and lived through the 90s no need to explain it, it is self explanatory. Kosova is once again reunited with her mother Albania, and it will remain this way for good.
Serbia might as well give up on trying to confuse everyone else, we Albanians from Kosova have our own identity. Culturally, traditionally, linguistically, and historically only Albania can claim Kosova. No one else can, especially Serbia.
As far as UN goes, we have a voice that represents us in UN. We have our Albanian brothers from Albania. UN is not the path to heaven for gods sake
Serbia gets a kick out of this situation, which leads me to believe Serbia has nothing else to do. They have too many problems with their neighbors, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova. We can't all be wrong and Serbia right no sir. Serbia is daydreaming about the future. I suggest Serbia minds its own business, and improves itself rather than worrying about others as much as they do.
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
(Caveman's Club, 27 November 2013 15:50)
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
You can go claim your identity and culture from where you came from ---> from the mountatins around black sea. That is your origin and stop writing nonsense.
This isn't news. We all knew this anyway. Kosovo will be applying to join several more UN related organisations/ specialised agencies in the new year also under the name "Republic of Kosovo" where 2/3 vote majority is required to join such as UNESCO, UNICEF, International Telecommunication Union, World Health Organisation ect. But I don't think anyone seriously expected Kosovo to get full UN membership at this moment in time. Kosovo will go for Observer status in the UN General Assembly first as that can't be vetoed.
"Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change."
why, what'll happen then? you need to get rid of your fascist tendencies dude, its not good for you.
as for this piece, as soon as an article begins with unnamed or unknown source, i know not to take that article seriously
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
Well what are they waiting for then? They sure are taking their sweet time applying. The biggest LOL is anything UNESCO related in Kosovo i Metohija are Serbian Monasteries and other things built by Serbs. Obviously because people can be ethnically cleansed but unless all the oldest building in Kosovo i Metohija are destroyed, they stand as proof that the territory is Serbian.
Maybe they haven't applied yet because they are embarrassed with the fact that they don't have a history of their own in Kosovo i Metohija.
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
It's not a 1:1 comparison. Palestine as a member of UNESCO gives it authority to speak on behalf of and defend what it regards as "Palestinian" cultural heritage. Much of Kosovo's cultural heritage is Serbian and will be defended by Serbia against repeated attempts at relabeling it "Kosovan". If and when Kosovo gets into the UN via back door channels like UNESCO, it will be much more limited in what it can claim through UNESCO. Palestine can lay claims to things in the West Bank, but it still is challenged by Israel over Jerusalem.
The monasteries will remain Serbian. Kosovo can claim Hotel Victoria and the Clinton statue as its cultural heritage. No one will compete for those :)
Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......we should align and act as one, there should be much more success for Serbia if we lack opinions and parties who work directly or indirectly for Kosovo interests.
"Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo."
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Yes, please check the facts.
1. Serbia doesn't have to do anything to join the EU (except for the fact that Serbia will join without the territory of Kosovo, of course).
2. UN membership of Kosovo doesn't depend at all on Serbia, in case you don't know. It's Russia and China who will veto a membership request coming from a an ethnic minority who unilaterally created an independent state on the territory of a recognized UN member.
But has Albanian run 'Kosova' recognised itself for what it really is. A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Kosova.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China."
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
Great news, it gives the Albanian political leaders in Kosovo more room when it comes to the question of independence i the eyes of its people, hopefully Kosovo will be independent in the eyes of the Albanians -independent in everything but name and part of Serbia in the eyes of the Serbs and officially on paper, no one loses face. More than autonomy and less than independence.
Check the facts before you talk. As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Thanks, Mirel, as always. We will see Kosova as a UN member before Serbia becomes an EU member, that is clear. Meanwhile, maybe we should consider suspending Serbia's UN membership ;)
As I've said many times, the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
There's no way that Serbia will ever allow to Kosovo illegal institution of the UN. Because the UN does have a number of states that have not recognized Kosovo's independence, and a couple of world powers (Russia, China, Brazil, India ...) have not and will not recognize Kosovo.
the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
(roberto, 27 November 2013 20:11)
no roberto. the real issue is why you still come here thinking you have any point worth considering when your views and opinions are so skewed no one other than rabid albanian nationalists defend you. ovo je pravo pitanje.
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
(Demi, 28 November 2013 09:34)
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LOL! It is probably the last time I'll say this but Nikolic will recognise "Kosovahh"* in about a years time. I'll leave it at that.
Now Demi, in your mind, Serbia will finally be able to enjoy the standards of a "country" like "Kosovahh"* and resist the backwardness of Russia and the Ukraine.
The authorities there have been told to give up on that goal "in this phase of the dialogue with Belgrade," the daily said, and added that this was interpreted as "a painful compromise" for Priština.
and, which daily is that??? ops, Tanjug is keeping a lid on top secret info!!! What a joke this news report is.
@Ari Gold
I always thought you are an educated man/woman!
"But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community."
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2013 00:18)
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
Three million. Wow this number grows by the week. However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania.
The problem is that the Albanians in Kosovo don’t want anything to do with Serbs but these same people are more than happy to go to Serbia proper to seek employment (I was in Kragujevac in June this year and about 20 Albanians came to Zastava seeking work. Naturally they were all sent back to Kosovo).
Funny how these people claim all horrible things were done by the Serbs but they have no problems working for or with Serbs. Either your lot is telling porkpies or they need psychiatric help.
"However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania. "
Its only ever going to be a fantasy of your sj, its never going to happen. as for you seeing Albanians seeking work in Serbia....again, your imagination is getting the better of you.
Kosovo's politicians are pathetic, hopeless, useless, incompetent and experienced twits (replace the I with an A in twits). Anyway they've already announced that they'll apply to join several UN specialised agencies/ organisations in the new year. However I don't know if UNESCO will be one of them for the time being because the US (and Israel) has lost their voting rights in UNESCO after refusing to pay their fees due to Palestine's membership. Kosovo will probably wait until the US regains their voting rights.
Hadrian's Wall in the UK was built by the Romans yet that is still a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Yes a lot of the ancient monasteries were built by Serbs, some by Bulgarians too. And there are many old ancient buildings from Ottoman as well as Serb occupation. But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community.
Ari Gold,
After your much awaited Geo-Political change takes places, what will you do with about 3 million or more Albanians in Kosovo ( at that time)? They clearly want nothing to do with Serbia. How does the demographics factors, in the notion that time is on Serbia's side?
For you delusional Albanians who consider this story as not credible because of it having an unarmed source. May I point out that it appeared in an Albanian publication
Taiwan did not declare independence. Taiwan sees itself as representing the whole of China.
Having said that, Kosovo is of course a province of Serbski and should not join UNO ..
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
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It's not Serbia that is keeping you out of UN but Russia and China. They are not waiting to get into EU so what's holding them back? Maybe Taiwan?
Anyway, by the time EU is ready to admit Serbia to the club, Serbia would've become a member of another organisation headed by Russia.
Don't hold your breath.
Ari Gold
YOu are mistaken on many fronts. Kostunica never suggested the "More than autonomy less than independence" That phrase never was suggested until talks had ended completely and then the Serbian govt tried to cut western support by saying they would agree to that but no one ever defined what that actually meant.
The recognition of the community of serbs is strictly out of the Ahtissaari playbook for Kosovo independence, it was agreed to by Pristina in 2008 when they declared independence under the A-plan, but was totally unacceptable for Belgrade until they were told they had to play by the rules or forget the EU.
As far as the person that said time is on Serbia's side-true that is all you have is time, as for a reunification of Kosovo to Serbia-won't happen in anyone here's lifetime, but who knows what the distant future will bring, chances are that Kosovo and Serbia will eventually be a part of the same group whether it is the EU or some future entity but not as a united Serbia.
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2013 17:43)
Northern Cyprus and South Ossetia would sell their souls to the devil to be in the same situation as Kosovo.
Instead Northern Cyprus is a de facto autonomous part of the Republic of Turkey and South Ossetia is a de facto Russian Oblast.
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 November 2013 14:23)
Yes, the Serbian Monasteries in Kosovo are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. However UNESCO didn't give them World Heritage Status, Serbia and Montenegro did as a UNESCO member designated them as World Heritage Sites in 2004 as well as the Sar/ Sharr Mountains national park in 2002. However if Kosovo becomes a UNESCO in the near future, it'll be for Kosovo to decide what is designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Kosovo.
Yes some of the ancient monasteries were damaged/ destroyed in the 2004 riots and it was wrong, I completely condemn it and fully support the restoration of the monasteries which can be salvaged for cultural purposes. I can help but think that they won't have been target in 2004 if half of the Mosques in Kosovo weren't damaged/ destroyed in 1998-9.
A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Serbia.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
(PEN, 27 November 2013 17:36)
Thank you for describing Serbia that well. Let us know when do you think the Zemun clan will kill your next Prime Minister.
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56)
Someone really needs to get a life. I think it is rather sad of you to be posting your fantasies on here.
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
When Serbia recognizes Kosova for the sake of EU membership then Russia has no reason to veto Kosovas membership to UN.
If Serbia choose to be an Russian pupet state and resfuse to enter EU/Nato it will be without Vojvodina and Sandzak. ( this wont happend since it's suicide of a state)
This is the clear picture folks. Everybody knowes it!
(just wondering, 3 December 2013 05:24)
I don’t give flying toss about your Albanians – most are thieves and drug dealers who fill EU prisons.
I visit Serbia very regularly by airplane – you know the big silver birdy in the sky that carries people from one place to another.
If they opened up the doors to Kosovo there would not be an Albanian left. The 20 I mentioned is only one example; there are many others. For a people that were so oppressed by Serbs you dont mind working with Serbs – is there something wrong here? Or do your people need help???
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
(Brandon, 29 November 2013 05:28)
You obviously have not been paying attention to the analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj. America and the West (and everybody who has and will recognize Kosovo) has run out of money and cannot support Kosovo or feed 2M Kosovars. So the only salvation for the 2M Kosovars is Serbia with its unparalleled economic power. So nobody is saying that anybody will be removed from Kosovo. Per Serbia's Citizenship Law, all Kosovars are Serb citizens if they were born in Kosovo, because according to Serbia's Constitution, Kosovo is Serbia.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56
Even if someone believed you were there to witness this event, so what? 20 Albanians is not exactly a flood, and all the news is that Serbia has turned into some type of Utopia, are you saying that is not true, that the oppression of Albanians is still prevalent in Serbia today? What message is it you are trying to communicate here. Wow, for someone who born and raised in Australia and works in the international banking industry, you sure do claim to know a lot of day to day life on the streets of Serbia. Could it be that one of your lives is pretend?
Many people take jobs they prefer not to as the first priority is to feed the family, where is the shame in that?
Better than washing out bed pans in the British Health system and claiming to be a Celtic Albanian analyst.
(sj, 3 December 2013 00:03)
Bed pans? LOL This is 2013. You are really ignorant! Most patients use normal toilets. Some use a commode at the side of the bed. Urinary catheterisation is used in the rest of cases. The only time I'm aware of bed pans being used is post-operatively after surgery when the patient needs to open their bowels. Bed pads are used in the rest of cases particularly in Elderly, Oncology & Stroke Wards as many of these patients don't know when their bowels are going to open anyway.
I'm not an analyst, nor have I ever claimed to be; I work in patient experience.
You're so ignorant, you don't even know what is meant by the term "Celtic".
These fantasies that you love sharing with us, have you ever waked up in the middle of the night having hot sweats after dreaming about these fantasies thinking that they had come true? Did you feel sad once you realised your fantasies weren't real? I'd say do you feel embarrassed about it, but I'm guessing you don't share your bed with a woman. I reckon you sleep on your own, unless you pay for a woman in Malaysia to love you long time!
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(Nikolle, 29 November 2013 09:41)
Of course it my imagination. The funniest part is these Albos spoke perfect Serbian, but our brothers from Kosovo living in Kragujevac can smell Albanian stench from a mile away. Actually, the Albos were taken by police just in time otherwise they would have disappeared for ever. What a pity.
Then why post if it’s my imagination as work is in plentifully supply in Kosovo where the streets of Pristina are paved in gold and you have a statue there of Bill Clinton with his pants around his ankles and Monica kneeling in homage in front of Bill.
You spend a lot of time on a Serbia based media website trying to tell your story. Try it on your Albo media, if you even have one.
...Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......(steff, 27 November 2013 15:39)
Have you been sleeping?
Kosovo has been recognised by 106 out of 192 countries.Make the math, is more than 50% of the UN countries.
... As of 26 September 2013, the Republic of Kosovo has received 108 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 106 out of 193 (54.9%) United Nations (UN) member states, 23 out of 28 (82%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 35 out of 57 (61%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo...
Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
This is indeed funny, I have met people from Taiwan before. Never did they say I am from Taiwan-China lol. They only say Taiwan because they are independent from China. Vice versa... Albanians from Kosova never say I am from Kosov-Serbia. We usually say Kosova and Albania. Simply because we are Albanians, and it is the European biased politicians who helped Serbia get control of Kosova. As we all seen and lived through the 90s no need to explain it, it is self explanatory. Kosova is once again reunited with her mother Albania, and it will remain this way for good.
Serbia might as well give up on trying to confuse everyone else, we Albanians from Kosova have our own identity. Culturally, traditionally, linguistically, and historically only Albania can claim Kosova. No one else can, especially Serbia.
As far as UN goes, we have a voice that represents us in UN. We have our Albanian brothers from Albania. UN is not the path to heaven for gods sake
Serbia gets a kick out of this situation, which leads me to believe Serbia has nothing else to do. They have too many problems with their neighbors, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova. We can't all be wrong and Serbia right no sir. Serbia is daydreaming about the future. I suggest Serbia minds its own business, and improves itself rather than worrying about others as much as they do.
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
'Kosovo' in UNESCO? What a laugh. They're too busy turning a blind eye to the eradication of anything culturally Serb that is not protected by NATO soldiers, unless it is redesignated 'Kosovan' and declared created by albanians (orthodox churches et al.). Pristina has good company with Turkey who wants to turn the Haiga Sophia in to a mosque.
(Caveman's Club, 27 November 2013 15:50)
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
I am starting to think maybe the "normalization" process is not entirely a bad thing after all. One thing that's unacceptable is Serbian leaders meeting with the self-declared gov't in Pristina on a equal basis. That is unforgivable and history will judge Dacic and the rest for this.
That being said, the agreement realizes an internationally recognized Serbian community of Municipalities, which other ethnic minorities like the Gorani in the south can take part of since they view Kosovo i Metohija as Serbian too. This internationally guarantees (at least on paper) that the last remaining Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija cannot be ethnically cleansed anymore by savage Moslem extremists.
In turn, Pristina does not get its UN seat and therefore is not a real country. Basically what the agreement recognizes is the Pristina gov't is the legitimate gov't for Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija, but not a sovereign one.
Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change.
This isn't news. We all knew this anyway. Kosovo will be applying to join several more UN related organisations/ specialised agencies in the new year also under the name "Republic of Kosovo" where 2/3 vote majority is required to join such as UNESCO, UNICEF, International Telecommunication Union, World Health Organisation ect. But I don't think anyone seriously expected Kosovo to get full UN membership at this moment in time. Kosovo will go for Observer status in the UN General Assembly first as that can't be vetoed.
You can go claim your identity and culture from where you came from ---> from the mountatins around black sea. That is your origin and stop writing nonsense.
Check the facts before you talk. As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Thanks, Mirel, as always. We will see Kosova as a UN member before Serbia becomes an EU member, that is clear. Meanwhile, maybe we should consider suspending Serbia's UN membership ;)
As I've said many times, the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
Kosovo is still not recognized by more than 50% of states and there is no chance that it will be accepted in the UN......we should align and act as one, there should be much more success for Serbia if we lack opinions and parties who work directly or indirectly for Kosovo interests.
"Sounds a little like "more than autonomy, less than independence" that Kostunica was suggesting during UN talks years ago. I'll take it, its a good interim solution until geo-political conditions change."
why, what'll happen then? you need to get rid of your fascist tendencies dude, its not good for you.
as for this piece, as soon as an article begins with unnamed or unknown source, i know not to take that article seriously
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China." Well whoever said that, is obviously an illiterate goof with no basic understanding of history. Taiwan was a member of UN long before China replaced her!!
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
Every time Serbians try to notify the public about Kosova, desperation is written all over it.
@Ari Gold
Your current Serbian leaders said they would not negotiate with Thaci in anyway until he is cleared from Hague? He was never even tried, yet Serbian PM met with Thaci, shook his hand. (Tadic was ridiculed by Serbians when he did it) Yet somehow PM Dacic is clever enough to not only betray Serbians by shaking hands with Thaci, even filled Serbians with confidence that Kosova is Serbian. Why do Serbian politicians need to ask for permission to enter Kosova? If that is the case should they not be allowed to just enter Kosova without any problems? Secondly, Flora Qetaku did the same, She asked Serbian government for a permission to visit Albanians in Presheva Valley. If Kosova is apart of Serbia why are we asking one another for visits? You cannot be that stupid to think Kosova is apart of Serbia after everything that has taken place so far.
UN may not give Kosova a membership at this time... Some where down the line Kosova will get in UN. I do wonder what your excuses will be then Ari?
If you visit Kosova, you will see nothing that could lead you to even think Kosova is apart of Serbia... You know why? Because it is not simple as that.
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
When Serbia recognizes Kosova for the sake of EU membership then Russia has no reason to veto Kosovas membership to UN.
If Serbia choose to be an Russian pupet state and resfuse to enter EU/Nato it will be without Vojvodina and Sandzak. ( this wont happend since it's suicide of a state)
This is the clear picture folks. Everybody knowes it!
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
Well what are they waiting for then? They sure are taking their sweet time applying. The biggest LOL is anything UNESCO related in Kosovo i Metohija are Serbian Monasteries and other things built by Serbs. Obviously because people can be ethnically cleansed but unless all the oldest building in Kosovo i Metohija are destroyed, they stand as proof that the territory is Serbian.
Maybe they haven't applied yet because they are embarrassed with the fact that they don't have a history of their own in Kosovo i Metohija.
Remember how the US and Israel were powerless to to stop Palestine from joining UNESCO as a full member? Same thing will happen again with Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2013 16:46)
It's not a 1:1 comparison. Palestine as a member of UNESCO gives it authority to speak on behalf of and defend what it regards as "Palestinian" cultural heritage. Much of Kosovo's cultural heritage is Serbian and will be defended by Serbia against repeated attempts at relabeling it "Kosovan". If and when Kosovo gets into the UN via back door channels like UNESCO, it will be much more limited in what it can claim through UNESCO. Palestine can lay claims to things in the West Bank, but it still is challenged by Israel over Jerusalem.
The monasteries will remain Serbian. Kosovo can claim Hotel Victoria and the Clinton statue as its cultural heritage. No one will compete for those :)
Ari Gold
YOu are mistaken on many fronts. Kostunica never suggested the "More than autonomy less than independence" That phrase never was suggested until talks had ended completely and then the Serbian govt tried to cut western support by saying they would agree to that but no one ever defined what that actually meant.
The recognition of the community of serbs is strictly out of the Ahtissaari playbook for Kosovo independence, it was agreed to by Pristina in 2008 when they declared independence under the A-plan, but was totally unacceptable for Belgrade until they were told they had to play by the rules or forget the EU.
As far as the person that said time is on Serbia's side-true that is all you have is time, as for a reunification of Kosovo to Serbia-won't happen in anyone here's lifetime, but who knows what the distant future will bring, chances are that Kosovo and Serbia will eventually be a part of the same group whether it is the EU or some future entity but not as a united Serbia.
Three million. Wow this number grows by the week. However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania.
The problem is that the Albanians in Kosovo don’t want anything to do with Serbs but these same people are more than happy to go to Serbia proper to seek employment (I was in Kragujevac in June this year and about 20 Albanians came to Zastava seeking work. Naturally they were all sent back to Kosovo).
Funny how these people claim all horrible things were done by the Serbs but they have no problems working for or with Serbs. Either your lot is telling porkpies or they need psychiatric help.
Great news, it gives the Albanian political leaders in Kosovo more room when it comes to the question of independence i the eyes of its people, hopefully Kosovo will be independent in the eyes of the Albanians -independent in everything but name and part of Serbia in the eyes of the Serbs and officially on paper, no one loses face. More than autonomy and less than independence.
"According to the newspaper, Kosovo's inability to join the UN "is reminiscent of the status of Taiwan" - which declared independence, but is "internationally" still a part of China."
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
the real issue is when will b-92 recognize Kosova's independence - das ist die frage...
(roberto, 27 November 2013 20:11)
no roberto. the real issue is why you still come here thinking you have any point worth considering when your views and opinions are so skewed no one other than rabid albanian nationalists defend you. ovo je pravo pitanje.
The authorities there have been told to give up on that goal "in this phase of the dialogue with Belgrade," the daily said, and added that this was interpreted as "a painful compromise" for Priština.
and, which daily is that??? ops, Tanjug is keeping a lid on top secret info!!! What a joke this news report is.
@Ari Gold
I always thought you are an educated man/woman!
"Check the facts before you talk.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo."
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
Yes, please check the facts.
1. Serbia doesn't have to do anything to join the EU (except for the fact that Serbia will join without the territory of Kosovo, of course).
2. UN membership of Kosovo doesn't depend at all on Serbia, in case you don't know. It's Russia and China who will veto a membership request coming from a an ethnic minority who unilaterally created an independent state on the territory of a recognized UN member.
As for membership of Kosovo in UN.It will happened when Serbia will join EU,it has to officially recognise Kosovo.
(Mirel from Albania, 27 November 2013 17:01)
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It's not Serbia that is keeping you out of UN but Russia and China. They are not waiting to get into EU so what's holding them back? Maybe Taiwan?
Anyway, by the time EU is ready to admit Serbia to the club, Serbia would've become a member of another organisation headed by Russia.
Don't hold your breath.
Or of the status of Northern Cyprus, or South Ossetia, and all the other 'countries' belonging to the group of 'disputed territories'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2013 17:43)
Northern Cyprus and South Ossetia would sell their souls to the devil to be in the same situation as Kosovo.
Instead Northern Cyprus is a de facto autonomous part of the Republic of Turkey and South Ossetia is a de facto Russian Oblast.
Ari Gold,
After your much awaited Geo-Political change takes places, what will you do with about 3 million or more Albanians in Kosovo ( at that time)? They clearly want nothing to do with Serbia. How does the demographics factors, in the notion that time is on Serbia's side?
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 November 2013 14:23)
Yes, the Serbian Monasteries in Kosovo are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. However UNESCO didn't give them World Heritage Status, Serbia and Montenegro did as a UNESCO member designated them as World Heritage Sites in 2004 as well as the Sar/ Sharr Mountains national park in 2002. However if Kosovo becomes a UNESCO in the near future, it'll be for Kosovo to decide what is designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Kosovo.
Yes some of the ancient monasteries were damaged/ destroyed in the 2004 riots and it was wrong, I completely condemn it and fully support the restoration of the monasteries which can be salvaged for cultural purposes. I can help but think that they won't have been target in 2004 if half of the Mosques in Kosovo weren't damaged/ destroyed in 1998-9.
But has Albanian run 'Kosova' recognised itself for what it really is. A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Kosova.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
There's no way that Serbia will ever allow to Kosovo illegal institution of the UN. Because the UN does have a number of states that have not recognized Kosovo's independence, and a couple of world powers (Russia, China, Brazil, India ...) have not and will not recognize Kosovo.
Kosovo's politicians are pathetic, hopeless, useless, incompetent and experienced twits (replace the I with an A in twits). Anyway they've already announced that they'll apply to join several UN specialised agencies/ organisations in the new year. However I don't know if UNESCO will be one of them for the time being because the US (and Israel) has lost their voting rights in UNESCO after refusing to pay their fees due to Palestine's membership. Kosovo will probably wait until the US regains their voting rights.
Hadrian's Wall in the UK was built by the Romans yet that is still a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Yes a lot of the ancient monasteries were built by Serbs, some by Bulgarians too. And there are many old ancient buildings from Ottoman as well as Serb occupation. But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community.
"But if/ when Kosovo becomes a member, it'll be for them to decide what is a World Heritage Site or not. But I'm sure the ancient Orthodox Monasteries will be included in that list as they're of cultural importance to the Serb community."
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2013 00:18)
UNESCO already has decided that some of the Serbian monasteries in Kosovo are considered UN world cultural heritage. And some of these cultural moments were damaged or destroyed by Kosovo Albanian mob some years ago. Nevertheless, it's Kosovo who pathetically tries to give it the name of 'Kosovo cultural heritage'.
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
Taiwan did not declare independence. Taiwan sees itself as representing the whole of China.
Having said that, Kosovo is of course a province of Serbski and should not join UNO ..
"However, to answer your question – Albanians back to Albania. "
Its only ever going to be a fantasy of your sj, its never going to happen. as for you seeing Albanians seeking work in Serbia....again, your imagination is getting the better of you.
A dysfunctional, corrupt, Bantustan run by a tribal kleptocracy. A territory that is utterly incapable of governing itself in any true sense of the word. Which is propped up financially, politically, and militarily by outside powers. Has a clan mafia masquerading as a government, which in any other decent law abiding system would have been behind bars long ago. This is the reality of present day 'Serbia.' Foreign recognition is a mere after thought.
(PEN, 27 November 2013 17:36)
Thank you for describing Serbia that well. Let us know when do you think the Zemun clan will kill your next Prime Minister.
(Nikolle, 29 November 2013 09:41)
Of course it my imagination. The funniest part is these Albos spoke perfect Serbian, but our brothers from Kosovo living in Kragujevac can smell Albanian stench from a mile away. Actually, the Albos were taken by police just in time otherwise they would have disappeared for ever. What a pity.
Then why post if it’s my imagination as work is in plentifully supply in Kosovo where the streets of Pristina are paved in gold and you have a statue there of Bill Clinton with his pants around his ankles and Monica kneeling in homage in front of Bill.
You spend a lot of time on a Serbia based media website trying to tell your story. Try it on your Albo media, if you even have one.
When Serbia is ready to enter EU it will be told to recognize Kosova. And it will recognize Kosova since Serbia cannot survive without EU. It dosen't border to Russia like Ukraine. And who wrelly want to be an country like Ukraine or Belarus?
(Demi, 28 November 2013 09:34)
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LOL! It is probably the last time I'll say this but Nikolic will recognise "Kosovahh"* in about a years time. I'll leave it at that.
Now Demi, in your mind, Serbia will finally be able to enjoy the standards of a "country" like "Kosovahh"* and resist the backwardness of Russia and the Ukraine.
For you delusional Albanians who consider this story as not credible because of it having an unarmed source. May I point out that it appeared in an Albanian publication
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(just wondering, 3 December 2013 05:24)
I don’t give flying toss about your Albanians – most are thieves and drug dealers who fill EU prisons.
I visit Serbia very regularly by airplane – you know the big silver birdy in the sky that carries people from one place to another.
If they opened up the doors to Kosovo there would not be an Albanian left. The 20 I mentioned is only one example; there are many others. For a people that were so oppressed by Serbs you dont mind working with Serbs – is there something wrong here? Or do your people need help???
Step 1 you look at birth documents and all those that are not born in Kosovo – OUT. There are many who were not born in the old Yugoslavia that now reside in Kosovo today.
Step 2 those that are born in Kosovo stay, but Serbia invests nothing in Kosovo near Albanians. You turn it into a third world conditions to live but leave a door open for them to leave.
Simple and as easy as pie that is how its done. Acutally much like what the west is doing today but without all that money to prop up the Pristina administration.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56)
Someone really needs to get a life. I think it is rather sad of you to be posting your fantasies on here.
Better than washing out bed pans in the British Health system and claiming to be a Celtic Albanian analyst.
(sj, 3 December 2013 00:03)
Bed pans? LOL This is 2013. You are really ignorant! Most patients use normal toilets. Some use a commode at the side of the bed. Urinary catheterisation is used in the rest of cases. The only time I'm aware of bed pans being used is post-operatively after surgery when the patient needs to open their bowels. Bed pads are used in the rest of cases particularly in Elderly, Oncology & Stroke Wards as many of these patients don't know when their bowels are going to open anyway.
I'm not an analyst, nor have I ever claimed to be; I work in patient experience.
You're so ignorant, you don't even know what is meant by the term "Celtic".
These fantasies that you love sharing with us, have you ever waked up in the middle of the night having hot sweats after dreaming about these fantasies thinking that they had come true? Did you feel sad once you realised your fantasies weren't real? I'd say do you feel embarrassed about it, but I'm guessing you don't share your bed with a woman. I reckon you sleep on your own, unless you pay for a woman in Malaysia to love you long time!
S.J
How exactly will you remove millions of people from their houses? They clearly are not emigrants, the vast majority of them have never been to Albania (if you exclude the conflict period).
(Brandon, 29 November 2013 05:28)
You obviously have not been paying attention to the analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj. America and the West (and everybody who has and will recognize Kosovo) has run out of money and cannot support Kosovo or feed 2M Kosovars. So the only salvation for the 2M Kosovars is Serbia with its unparalleled economic power. So nobody is saying that anybody will be removed from Kosovo. Per Serbia's Citizenship Law, all Kosovars are Serb citizens if they were born in Kosovo, because according to Serbia's Constitution, Kosovo is Serbia.
I note that you have made no comment on the rest of my posting about your lot looking for work in Serbia proper???? What’s happen here? Truth hurts too much??? Eh????
(sj, 1 December 2013 10:56
Even if someone believed you were there to witness this event, so what? 20 Albanians is not exactly a flood, and all the news is that Serbia has turned into some type of Utopia, are you saying that is not true, that the oppression of Albanians is still prevalent in Serbia today? What message is it you are trying to communicate here. Wow, for someone who born and raised in Australia and works in the international banking industry, you sure do claim to know a lot of day to day life on the streets of Serbia. Could it be that one of your lives is pretend?
Many people take jobs they prefer not to as the first priority is to feed the family, where is the shame in that?
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