Deputy PM asks why ballots were counted outside KM

"What we cannot understand is the reason why OSCE took the bags with the ballots to Kosovo Polje," Vučić said and added that "this is not done in democratic countries and therefore cannot be understood."

Isn't it pretty obvious why? This Vucic bloke must be a moron! Because aggressive nationalist hooligan thugs turned the place over and tried to spoil ballot papers during the first time round at the beginning of November. It is pretty obvious that once the votes had been casted, they were taken somewhere safe (i.e. not Northern Kosovo) where these nationalist thugs couldn't try and destroy them like last time.

And as to who made the decision, obviously someone with some common sense!

“30.46 percent of registered voters cast their ballots” This is a lie. The only people to vote were Albanians and they don’t account for 30% of the electorate.

Since only Albanians voted then, presumably, they voted for Albanian candidates who must have won these elections. This result however would cause the Occupying Forces a few problems. There is no way Serbs would allow Albanians to rule their half of Kosovska Mitrovica, so the scene would be set for trouble. Better for the Occupying Forces to avoid trouble and “count” the votes in private. This way the “right” result can be guaranteed – a Serbian victor! A victory for Democracy!

Isn't it pretty obvious why? This Vucic bloke must be a moron! Because aggressive nationalist hooligan thugs turned the place over and tried to spoil ballot papers during the first time round at the beginning of November. It is pretty obvious that once the votes had been casted, they were taken somewhere safe (i.e. not Northern Kosovo) where these nationalist thugs couldn't try and destroy them like last time.

And as to who made the decision, obviously someone with some common sense!
(Ian, UK, 19 November 2013 10:05)

This is not the reason, the ballots were taken after 19 when the voting was finished long time and there was no reason to transport the ballots since the voting went without any incidents. The reason they were taken is that the albanians want to manipulate the votes in order to fit them. Try to use your brain for once if you have one.

This is not the reason, the ballots were taken after 19 when the voting was finished long time and there was no reason to transport the ballots since the voting went without any incidents. The reason they were taken is that the albanians want to manipulate the votes in order to fit them. Try to use your brain for once if you have one.
(Daniel, 19 November 2013 11:00)

Yes the election closed at 19:00 local time, which was the planned closing time for the election on 3 November as well.

Come on Daniel, use your brian mate. Why would the Albanians want to manipulate the votes? Krstimir Pantic and Oliver Ivanovic were the only two real choices in Mitrovica and it doesn't matter either way who wins out of them two for the Albanians. The Albanians have nothing to gain or lose from manipulating the election in either Pantic's or Ivanovic's favour. There is no logic behind it.

Besides it was the OSCE, not the "Albanians" who were incharge with counting the votes.

My brain tells me that the "Albanians" have nothing to gain from manipulating the vote and the "Albanians" were not in charge with the vote counting, so how could of they manipulated the vote?

Even Pantic said that the OSCE was "directly involved in altering the will of the people" and that the Kosovo Central Election Commission "was not to blame."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=18&nav_id=88374

"Come on Daniel, use your brian mate. Why would the Albanians want to manipulate the votes? "
(Ian, UK, 19 November 2013 12:31)

Because it is the usual way elections organized by Kosovo institutions work in the multi-ethnic, democratic state of Kosovo where it's possible that a prime minister (or the candidate of his party) can be elected by 115% of the eligible voters in his home clan region.

It seems that OESCE is trying to provoke serbs and serbian authority, not to be patient, and to react to bunch of unusual proceeding concerning Kosovo elections

Because it is the usual way elections organized by Kosovo institutions work in the multi-ethnic, democratic state of Kosovo where it's possible that a prime minister (or the candidate of his party) can be elected by 115% of the eligible voters in his home clan region.
(Answerer, 19 November 2013 14:54)

But what would the Albanians gain from manipulating the elections in North Kosovo?

Does anyone know how many Serbs voted in Pristina of the 42000 who lived there before 1999?

Deputy PM asks why ballots were counted outside KM? Because no one in the international community trusts Serbs to count the ballots. Serbs were harassing other Serbs Nov. 3rd, and the voting had to be re-done. Do you blame anyone for not trusting Serb interferrence in the vote count? Next point.

Vučić said that 30.46 percent of registered voters cast their ballots the repeated local elections in Kosovska Mitrovica on Sunday. I guss those must be politician's numbers, which are usually different that actual numbers, but I heard somewhere around 22 %. In either case, for a people that are supposedly deciding on their fate in Kosovo, 25 to 30 % participation in the election does not show an overwhelming trust, or interest in these elections. Next point.

And that 35 percent of the voters took part in the polls for the Serbian president in 2012. Serbs in Serbia lost faith in one candidate, and hated the other. It was because of this apathy that Nikolic won. No one really wanted him to win though.

I think that about covers it.

Was the object of the "Civil Defense" guys who appeared shortly before the end of voting to physically prevent counting, as the masked ones had so successfully done on 11/03, or to force the precautionary move of the ballot boxes, thus allowing Serb politicians to to claim OSCE and/or Prishtina interference?

Deputy PM asks why ballots were counted outside KM? Because no one in the international community trusts Serbs to count the ballots. Serbs were harassing other Serbs Nov. 3rd, and the voting had to be re-done. Do you blame anyone for not trusting Serb interferrence in the vote count? Next point.


(winston, 19 November 2013 19:45)

Do you have any proof it was Serbs? Wasnt there suppose to be names released ? No arrests?

In the elections in Kosovo, people came out to vote, and elections went well and peace because it was a good organization.

There was no reason for the OSCE to take bags of ballots and brought them to Kosovo Polje, because these ballots were to be counted in Kosovska Mitrovica.

Isn't it pretty obvious why? This Vucic bloke must be a moron! Because aggressive nationalist hooligan thugs turned the place over and tried to spoil ballot papers during the first time round at the beginning of November. It is pretty obvious that once the votes had been casted, they were taken somewhere safe (i.e. not Northern Kosovo) where these nationalist thugs couldn't try and destroy them like last time.

And as to who made the decision, obviously someone with some common sense!
(Ian, UK, 19 November 2013 10:05)

This is not the reason, the ballots were taken after 19 when the voting was finished long time and there was no reason to transport the ballots since the voting went without any incidents. The reason they were taken is that the albanians want to manipulate the votes in order to fit them. Try to use your brain for once if you have one.

“30.46 percent of registered voters cast their ballots” This is a lie. The only people to vote were Albanians and they don’t account for 30% of the electorate.

Since only Albanians voted then, presumably, they voted for Albanian candidates who must have won these elections. This result however would cause the Occupying Forces a few problems. There is no way Serbs would allow Albanians to rule their half of Kosovska Mitrovica, so the scene would be set for trouble. Better for the Occupying Forces to avoid trouble and “count” the votes in private. This way the “right” result can be guaranteed – a Serbian victor! A victory for Democracy!

"What we cannot understand is the reason why OSCE took the bags with the ballots to Kosovo Polje," Vučić said and added that "this is not done in democratic countries and therefore cannot be understood."

Isn't it pretty obvious why? This Vucic bloke must be a moron! Because aggressive nationalist hooligan thugs turned the place over and tried to spoil ballot papers during the first time round at the beginning of November. It is pretty obvious that once the votes had been casted, they were taken somewhere safe (i.e. not Northern Kosovo) where these nationalist thugs couldn't try and destroy them like last time.

And as to who made the decision, obviously someone with some common sense!

Does anyone know how many Serbs voted in Pristina of the 42000 who lived there before 1999?

It seems that OESCE is trying to provoke serbs and serbian authority, not to be patient, and to react to bunch of unusual proceeding concerning Kosovo elections

This is not the reason, the ballots were taken after 19 when the voting was finished long time and there was no reason to transport the ballots since the voting went without any incidents. The reason they were taken is that the albanians want to manipulate the votes in order to fit them. Try to use your brain for once if you have one.
(Daniel, 19 November 2013 11:00)

Yes the election closed at 19:00 local time, which was the planned closing time for the election on 3 November as well.

Come on Daniel, use your brian mate. Why would the Albanians want to manipulate the votes? Krstimir Pantic and Oliver Ivanovic were the only two real choices in Mitrovica and it doesn't matter either way who wins out of them two for the Albanians. The Albanians have nothing to gain or lose from manipulating the election in either Pantic's or Ivanovic's favour. There is no logic behind it.

Besides it was the OSCE, not the "Albanians" who were incharge with counting the votes.

My brain tells me that the "Albanians" have nothing to gain from manipulating the vote and the "Albanians" were not in charge with the vote counting, so how could of they manipulated the vote?

Even Pantic said that the OSCE was "directly involved in altering the will of the people" and that the Kosovo Central Election Commission "was not to blame."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2013&mm=11&dd=18&nav_id=88374

"Come on Daniel, use your brian mate. Why would the Albanians want to manipulate the votes? "
(Ian, UK, 19 November 2013 12:31)

Because it is the usual way elections organized by Kosovo institutions work in the multi-ethnic, democratic state of Kosovo where it's possible that a prime minister (or the candidate of his party) can be elected by 115% of the eligible voters in his home clan region.

Because it is the usual way elections organized by Kosovo institutions work in the multi-ethnic, democratic state of Kosovo where it's possible that a prime minister (or the candidate of his party) can be elected by 115% of the eligible voters in his home clan region.
(Answerer, 19 November 2013 14:54)

But what would the Albanians gain from manipulating the elections in North Kosovo?

Deputy PM asks why ballots were counted outside KM? Because no one in the international community trusts Serbs to count the ballots. Serbs were harassing other Serbs Nov. 3rd, and the voting had to be re-done. Do you blame anyone for not trusting Serb interferrence in the vote count? Next point.

Vučić said that 30.46 percent of registered voters cast their ballots the repeated local elections in Kosovska Mitrovica on Sunday. I guss those must be politician's numbers, which are usually different that actual numbers, but I heard somewhere around 22 %. In either case, for a people that are supposedly deciding on their fate in Kosovo, 25 to 30 % participation in the election does not show an overwhelming trust, or interest in these elections. Next point.

And that 35 percent of the voters took part in the polls for the Serbian president in 2012. Serbs in Serbia lost faith in one candidate, and hated the other. It was because of this apathy that Nikolic won. No one really wanted him to win though.

I think that about covers it.

Deputy PM asks why ballots were counted outside KM? Because no one in the international community trusts Serbs to count the ballots. Serbs were harassing other Serbs Nov. 3rd, and the voting had to be re-done. Do you blame anyone for not trusting Serb interferrence in the vote count? Next point.


(winston, 19 November 2013 19:45)

Do you have any proof it was Serbs? Wasnt there suppose to be names released ? No arrests?

Was the object of the "Civil Defense" guys who appeared shortly before the end of voting to physically prevent counting, as the masked ones had so successfully done on 11/03, or to force the precautionary move of the ballot boxes, thus allowing Serb politicians to to claim OSCE and/or Prishtina interference?

In the elections in Kosovo, people came out to vote, and elections went well and peace because it was a good organization.

There was no reason for the OSCE to take bags of ballots and brought them to Kosovo Polje, because these ballots were to be counted in Kosovska Mitrovica.