"Kosovo's independence cannot be recognized"

interesting use of the word support. 3/5 permanent members of the UNSC recognize independence, which leaves 2/5 in Serbia's favour. a more accurate description would have been to have said, Serbia is taking advantage of UNSC vetoes

Serbs making themselves feel good again. Who cares what UN security council does. By the way as long as USA, Germany and Britain are at UN security council they will support Kosovo.

This is true "because Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council," according to Nikolić.

No you don't. Only Russia supports you right now. China will abstain if it comes to voting. More than half of UN member states and more to come soon have recognized Kosova. All it needs 2/3 majority and and even UNSC cannot stop the process of recognition. NikOlic is a big LIAR.

What a bungling clown this Nikolic. Does he really believe he is convincing anyone that the UNSC supports Serbia. Didn't Toma insist on the status neutral understanding that was sanctioned by the UN.

More BS from Belgrade regime and their loyal, un-critical media...

Nikolic and Serbia have no standing to say this! Nikolic says he is not president ln Kosovo even though the constitution. Says he is. They appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador and He is learning Albanian, the birder guards and customs agents and the rokcec logo on the Kosovo ballots That mean Kosovo independence! With Serbia being the leader in Kosovo recognition now who is he trying to fool? Russia is more anti Kosovo independence than Serbia now! Don't even let Kosovo compete in miss world!! Lol! Serbia would

"At least we are taking the leagal way. You can't say the same."

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy

"President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Thursday that the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo "cannot be recognized." This is true "because Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council," according to Nikolić."

But it is being recognized by more than 100 countries, even though Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council... How can we explain this paradox?!

"Serbs making themselves feel good again. Who cares what UN security council does. By the way as long as USA, Germany and Britain are at UN security council they will support Kosovo."
(Avni, 24 October 2013 21:48)
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I think you care very much what UNSC does. BTW, for as long as Russia is behind us you don't have a snow flake's chance in Hell so keep you going bankrupt US, UK and Germany. They can't help you there.

"They appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador and He is learning Albanian,"
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You can read into that anything you like if it makes you feel better.

"a more accurate description would have been to have said, Serbia is taking advantage of UNSC vetoes"
(Nikolle, 24 October 2013 17:44)
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At least we are taking the leagal way. You can't say the same.

"All it needs 2/3 majority and and even UNSC cannot stop the process of recognition. NikOlic is a big LIAR."
(the truth, 24 October 2013 18:42)

Could you please provide some link for your 'truth'? As far as I know, the procedure for new member states is the following one:


"A country can only be admitted to the UN after the UN General Assembly votes to do so upon the recommendation of the UN Security Council. The required assent of the permanent five (P5) members of the Security Council (People's Republic of China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America) no doubt accounts for why admission to membership in the UN is regarded as an important indicator of sovereignty and legitimate statehood (especially for microstates). "
(Some excerpts from the UN charter, Chapter II, found on Wikipedia)

To sum up: The UN general assembly cannot even vote for admitting a new member state without the prior recommendation of the UNSC, the last sentence above explains it well, regarding statehood of self-proclaimed (micro)states.

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy
(Nikolle, 25 October 2013 10:12)

Then go back to the court and get them to declare Kosovo independent. LOL

"The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later"

Yes, it seems this later will not happen, as it has been said since 1999. As for you parallels with the Queen of England, most people would declare insane and a moron and not bother with asking a high UN court to comment on it.

Serbia's stand on non-recognition of Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence has the support in the UN Security Council, adding that this bears exceptional importance for Serbia. Serbia was fully committed to the UN and that it would have been much better if some of the country's internal problems were resolved with the mediation of the world organization. I believe in that...

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy
(Nikolle, 25 October 2013 10:12)
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The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it? But storming the palace and trying to take her crown may be.

The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)

Not sure what that means... But happy to be illuminated sooner or later!
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I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it?
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)

Sure you can declare it but it will not make you Queen of England because it is not in accordance with the provisions of Common Law and the Act of Settlement of 1701.

However, Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law, so not sure what you were trying to say with the Queen example!

"A country can only be admitted to the UN after the UN General Assembly votes to do so upon the recommendation of the UN Security Council. The required assent of the permanent five (P5) members of the Security Council (People's Republic of China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America) no doubt accounts for why admission to membership in the UN is regarded as an important indicator of sovereignty and legitimate statehood (especially for microstates). "
(Some excerpts from the UN charter, Chapter II, found on Wikipedia)
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 October 2013 06:50)

Just a small correction... Only the first sentence is an excerpt from the UN Charter. All the rest is BS that you or somebody else made it up.

Indeed, UN membership has nothing to do with being an indicator of sovereignty. States have been sovereign long before UN even existed and even when countries became UN members they were not sovereign at all (for example Ukraine and Belarus from 1945 to 1990).

Sure you can declare it but it will not make you Queen of England because it is not in accordance with the provisions of Common Law and the Act of Settlement of 1701.

However, Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law, so not sure what you were trying to say with the Queen example!
(icj1, 25 October 2013 22:50)
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You're making my job easier.
Just like I can declare anything I like but it won't happen for me, you guys could also declare what you like but it didn't make it a country.

Now if it did, why won't you ever get a seat the the UN or even compete at Eurovision?

Then go back to the court and get them to declare Kosovo independent. LOL
(sj, 26 October 2013 00:06)
And what would that accomplish?, nothing. The court would not hear a case of establishing independence. Even if they did and answered in the affirmative then the same yahoos that claim Kosovo is Serbia would claim the court is corrupt, the poorest country in Europe bought the decision, etc, etc. Would it change Serbia's position, probably not, would it change Russia's most likely not.
They have the affirmation of more than half the countries in the world and most likely more to come. Everything else is icing on the cake. You and your lot seem to think that not having a seat in the UN or some sport groups will cause Kosovo to suddenly come crawling back to Serbia but for what reason they still would not have those things. Your claims of money drying up holds no water, Serbia is as dependent on those charitable funds as Kosovo is and even less money would flow through Serbia to Kosovo.
Serb politicians are playing Serbs for fools they have not advanced this far in the EU process without having acknowledged that they realize that Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia, They are taking small steps to keep any type of revolt from the Serbian populance, you would think that anyone outside of Serbia would be able to see that

The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it? But storming the palace and trying to take her crown may be.
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)
Actually you might want to check Australian law as you supposedly live there, I am sure that if you file a formal declaration that you are the Queen of England there might be issues!
There is a difference in making a formal declaration and just declaring something on the street.

The international court of justice's decision that the Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal is a legal document. Like all legal documents it can be interpreted both in its spirit and literally. Interpreting the spirit of this legal piece of document means that not only the declaration was legal but also the action aimed at the realization of the declaration in practice. This means that Kosovo's struggle for independence and for breaking away from Serbia is also legal because having a legal piece of paper with no correspondent in reality, in real world is worth nothing

I like how the Serb arguments have gone from NEVER to ILLEGAL, to The majority of UN members is with us, and now to The UN Security Council is with us. Very soon (give it 10 years or so) not even that. By then the democratically elected Serb politicians like our friend "Drug" Dacic and company will sign a "historic agreement" accompanied by big beautiful words full of hope like "progress, improving the lives of the people, economic development, bright future, I am the heir of Djindjic", etc etc. I am curious where that will leave some of the people here.

Serbs making themselves feel good again. Who cares what UN security council does. By the way as long as USA, Germany and Britain are at UN security council they will support Kosovo.

"Serbs making themselves feel good again. Who cares what UN security council does. By the way as long as USA, Germany and Britain are at UN security council they will support Kosovo."
(Avni, 24 October 2013 21:48)
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I think you care very much what UNSC does. BTW, for as long as Russia is behind us you don't have a snow flake's chance in Hell so keep you going bankrupt US, UK and Germany. They can't help you there.

"They appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador and He is learning Albanian,"
--

You can read into that anything you like if it makes you feel better.

"a more accurate description would have been to have said, Serbia is taking advantage of UNSC vetoes"
(Nikolle, 24 October 2013 17:44)
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At least we are taking the leagal way. You can't say the same.

This is true "because Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council," according to Nikolić.

No you don't. Only Russia supports you right now. China will abstain if it comes to voting. More than half of UN member states and more to come soon have recognized Kosova. All it needs 2/3 majority and and even UNSC cannot stop the process of recognition. NikOlic is a big LIAR.

interesting use of the word support. 3/5 permanent members of the UNSC recognize independence, which leaves 2/5 in Serbia's favour. a more accurate description would have been to have said, Serbia is taking advantage of UNSC vetoes

Nikolic and Serbia have no standing to say this! Nikolic says he is not president ln Kosovo even though the constitution. Says he is. They appointed dejan pavicevic ambassador and He is learning Albanian, the birder guards and customs agents and the rokcec logo on the Kosovo ballots That mean Kosovo independence! With Serbia being the leader in Kosovo recognition now who is he trying to fool? Russia is more anti Kosovo independence than Serbia now! Don't even let Kosovo compete in miss world!! Lol! Serbia would

What a bungling clown this Nikolic. Does he really believe he is convincing anyone that the UNSC supports Serbia. Didn't Toma insist on the status neutral understanding that was sanctioned by the UN.

More BS from Belgrade regime and their loyal, un-critical media...

"All it needs 2/3 majority and and even UNSC cannot stop the process of recognition. NikOlic is a big LIAR."
(the truth, 24 October 2013 18:42)

Could you please provide some link for your 'truth'? As far as I know, the procedure for new member states is the following one:


"A country can only be admitted to the UN after the UN General Assembly votes to do so upon the recommendation of the UN Security Council. The required assent of the permanent five (P5) members of the Security Council (People's Republic of China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America) no doubt accounts for why admission to membership in the UN is regarded as an important indicator of sovereignty and legitimate statehood (especially for microstates). "
(Some excerpts from the UN charter, Chapter II, found on Wikipedia)

To sum up: The UN general assembly cannot even vote for admitting a new member state without the prior recommendation of the UNSC, the last sentence above explains it well, regarding statehood of self-proclaimed (micro)states.

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy
(Nikolle, 25 October 2013 10:12)
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The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it? But storming the palace and trying to take her crown may be.

"President Tomislav Nikolić stated on Thursday that the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo "cannot be recognized." This is true "because Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council," according to Nikolić."

But it is being recognized by more than 100 countries, even though Serbia has the support of the UN Security Council... How can we explain this paradox?!

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy
(Nikolle, 25 October 2013 10:12)

Then go back to the court and get them to declare Kosovo independent. LOL

Serbia's stand on non-recognition of Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence has the support in the UN Security Council, adding that this bears exceptional importance for Serbia. Serbia was fully committed to the UN and that it would have been much better if some of the country's internal problems were resolved with the mediation of the world organization. I believe in that...

The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it? But storming the palace and trying to take her crown may be.
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)
Actually you might want to check Australian law as you supposedly live there, I am sure that if you file a formal declaration that you are the Queen of England there might be issues!
There is a difference in making a formal declaration and just declaring something on the street.

"At least we are taking the leagal way. You can't say the same."

Didn't a high UN court conclude that the independence declaration wasn't illegal? Try again Peggy

"A country can only be admitted to the UN after the UN General Assembly votes to do so upon the recommendation of the UN Security Council. The required assent of the permanent five (P5) members of the Security Council (People's Republic of China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America) no doubt accounts for why admission to membership in the UN is regarded as an important indicator of sovereignty and legitimate statehood (especially for microstates). "
(Some excerpts from the UN charter, Chapter II, found on Wikipedia)
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 October 2013 06:50)

Just a small correction... Only the first sentence is an excerpt from the UN Charter. All the rest is BS that you or somebody else made it up.

Indeed, UN membership has nothing to do with being an indicator of sovereignty. States have been sovereign long before UN even existed and even when countries became UN members they were not sovereign at all (for example Ukraine and Belarus from 1945 to 1990).

Sure you can declare it but it will not make you Queen of England because it is not in accordance with the provisions of Common Law and the Act of Settlement of 1701.

However, Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law, so not sure what you were trying to say with the Queen example!
(icj1, 25 October 2013 22:50)
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You're making my job easier.
Just like I can declare anything I like but it won't happen for me, you guys could also declare what you like but it didn't make it a country.

Now if it did, why won't you ever get a seat the the UN or even compete at Eurovision?

"The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later"

Yes, it seems this later will not happen, as it has been said since 1999. As for you parallels with the Queen of England, most people would declare insane and a moron and not bother with asking a high UN court to comment on it.

The declaration yes, but the act itself,well, not so much as you guys will find out sooner or later.
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)

Not sure what that means... But happy to be illuminated sooner or later!
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I can declare that I am the queen of England too. It's not illegal to is it?
(Peggy, 25 October 2013 15:50)

Sure you can declare it but it will not make you Queen of England because it is not in accordance with the provisions of Common Law and the Act of Settlement of 1701.

However, Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law, so not sure what you were trying to say with the Queen example!

The international court of justice's decision that the Kosovo's declaration of independence was legal is a legal document. Like all legal documents it can be interpreted both in its spirit and literally. Interpreting the spirit of this legal piece of document means that not only the declaration was legal but also the action aimed at the realization of the declaration in practice. This means that Kosovo's struggle for independence and for breaking away from Serbia is also legal because having a legal piece of paper with no correspondent in reality, in real world is worth nothing

Then go back to the court and get them to declare Kosovo independent. LOL
(sj, 26 October 2013 00:06)
And what would that accomplish?, nothing. The court would not hear a case of establishing independence. Even if they did and answered in the affirmative then the same yahoos that claim Kosovo is Serbia would claim the court is corrupt, the poorest country in Europe bought the decision, etc, etc. Would it change Serbia's position, probably not, would it change Russia's most likely not.
They have the affirmation of more than half the countries in the world and most likely more to come. Everything else is icing on the cake. You and your lot seem to think that not having a seat in the UN or some sport groups will cause Kosovo to suddenly come crawling back to Serbia but for what reason they still would not have those things. Your claims of money drying up holds no water, Serbia is as dependent on those charitable funds as Kosovo is and even less money would flow through Serbia to Kosovo.
Serb politicians are playing Serbs for fools they have not advanced this far in the EU process without having acknowledged that they realize that Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia, They are taking small steps to keep any type of revolt from the Serbian populance, you would think that anyone outside of Serbia would be able to see that

I like how the Serb arguments have gone from NEVER to ILLEGAL, to The majority of UN members is with us, and now to The UN Security Council is with us. Very soon (give it 10 years or so) not even that. By then the democratically elected Serb politicians like our friend "Drug" Dacic and company will sign a "historic agreement" accompanied by big beautiful words full of hope like "progress, improving the lives of the people, economic development, bright future, I am the heir of Djindjic", etc etc. I am curious where that will leave some of the people here.